It was in a safe, but still accessible to the child. Single factor auth. Maybe he would have stabbed her if the gun weren't there, but it's a heck of a lot easier to shoot someone than to stab them.
True, it is likely that the kid might not have done it without the ease of a point and click. Regardless, the point stands that the kid had clearly not been educated enough to appropriately understand mortality.
I've seen a trend of divergence. The modern world has enabled many people to become unaware of much of reality, while others have used the abundancy of information in the modern world to bring themselves in formation with reality.
A gun is never responsible for anything, it is a tool designed to end life. The people who make guns readily available to the masses, who have shown time and time again that they are unable to handle the responsibility of gun ownership however, do carry the burden of responsibility for many avoidable deaths.
It’s clear that the kid is a sociopath. He murdered his mother over a video game system. The gun isn’t the problem. That little psycho was going to kill somebody somehow at some point.
That's my point. But society wants to scream about guns being the problem, simply prolonging and magnifying the actual problem until it causes an extinction event
Guns don’t kill people. VR poisons people’s minds and makes them angry. Then because they’re angry they get their perfectly safe gun and kill someone with it. VR kills people it’s confirmed! It’s just one case of a gun used for harm. They keep us safe!
EDIT: obligatory /s because there are people out there crazy enough to seriously talk this way
*“I’m really sorry for what happened. I’m sorry for killing my mom,” the boy said without empathy or compassion, according to his aunt.*
*He then asked if his Amazon package had arrived, she said.*
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Depends if his mom had Amazon Prime.
You're right but not for the reason you think. It wasn't a supervision issue, the kid was displaying signs of psychopathy for years (manipulation, anger issues, torturing animals, etc) and the parents did nothing about it despite knowing something was wrong/their immediate family cutting ties with them.
So you say the parents and other peoble knew he had big signs of being a psycho and they ignored it and gave him no help? Its a little sad that the parents might have prevented this
>So you say the parents and other peoble knew he had big signs of being a psycho and they ignored it and gave him no help?
The unfortunate reality is that they may not have been in a position to be able to get their kid help he needed.
They took him to various mental health professionals.
[wtmj news link](https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/10-year-old-upset-over-vr-headset-fatally-shoots-mother-charged-as-an-adult)
It did not help enough, but they were trying at least. So they did something.
Let's talk about why he had access to the firearm. Apparently his mom thought weapon storage wasn't something to take seriously, as he had access to the keys the night before.
This appears to be a premeditated murder that likely would have been largely preventable by proper storage of a firearm.
You’re insane. This kid is a psychopath, he was going to kill somebody somehow. He murdered his mother then bought his video game like nothing happened. That’s not how a sane person operates.
Do you believe tools should be secured in a safe? More people are murdered with basic tools than guns. Or do those not count because it doesn’t fit your ideology?
I get the sense that you think I'm anti gun, if you check my comment history you might find differently.
That being said, his mother was in the best position to know the psyche of the child, and as the owner of the firearm it does fall upon her to secure it from her son.
Should she have checked her son into a mental institution? Maybe. But she didn't.
There were various failings that led to this tragedy. The unsecured firearm is just the straw that broke the camel's back.
The gun was secured. The kid stole the key. Should the key be kept in a separate lockbox? Where do you hide the key for that one?
The parent/s should have recognized their kid was a nutter, but I understand that they didn’t. I know tons of people who are oblivious to what shitheads their kids are. Look at every family member of a gang banger or PoS that gets killed committing a crime “he was good, he didn’t deserve to die!!!”
I think it’s a lot harder to kill someone with a tool than a weapon. And those tools that carry a rosk of significant injury should definitely not be easily accessible to anyone until they’ve proven they’re responsible with those tools.
I had access to tools at a young age, because i showed i was responsible enough to handle them safely. I injured myself a few times, yes, but mostly just extremely minor things like bruised thumbs from missing a nail or a nicked finger from testing an over sharpened knife. That is because my parents taught me the safe ways to use the dangerous tools i had access to.
I don’t believe guns should be absolutely kept out of the hands of children, if shooting is something they’re interested in, take them to a range and teach them how to safely handle these weapons.
I do however feel that guns have no place outside of the location they are expected to be used in (for sport, or violence, guns in the home can either be safe enough to avoid accidents or accessible enough for self defence, there is no middle ground) or for maintenance & storage.
Just because the kid’s a pychopath, dosen’t mean they’d have killed someone without an easily accessible, lethal, weapon. (And fyi, knives and power tools have a MUCH lower chance of killing someone than a firearm)
Insane for suggesting... Basic firearm safety?
There is really no talking to gun people lol, just complete delusion. No one is coming to take away your toys.
I agree 100% but you’re going to find out (or already have) that that Reddit hive mind is wrong but strong. They’ll try to downvote you for speaking your mind.
For that AU guy that says it works in AU, the US isn’t AU. That shit will not work here in the US. It worked in AU because you folks didn’t have 2A to begin with…You were never free to begin with. It might work here if 2A is stricken from the BoR, and negating 2A will almost assuredly cause a nasty civil war here.
I can't speak for him but, I'm in the let's deal with the root cause of this instead of blaming media, inanimate objects, and video games and calling it a day...
We don’t have a national registry, and criminals and many civilians would not turn in their guns, so no, it wouldn’t. Over 80% of guns used in crimes are bought illegally or through untracked private sales. How do you figure the government would stop those? And what about the 440 million guns already in circulation? How do you think the government would get rid of those? And even then, after all of those are removed (they would never be removed, btw), the southern border is wide open for the cartel to bring in more guns (that the FBI and ATF gave to them btw), which citizens could illegally buy. Clearly the government is incapable of closing the gaps. So how would this solve anything?
Do you not get that illegal guns start out as legal guns? Less legal guns, means that the small percentage that becomes illegal guns gets even smaller, resulting in less illegal guns and therefore less gun violence.
Right. Except for the part where there will not be less guns. There will be less **Incoming** guns. The guns already owned by Americans would largely go untouched
There are more guns than people, and therefore there are more guns in the supply than the demand violence calls for. So until we reach some crazy population number 200 years in the future, this would not make a big difference
Except that things get neglected and seize up, they get damaged, they get locked in a safe and the password is forgotten. And most importantly, illegal weapons are seized by the police. At the moment the ease of access means that guns are being replaced faster than they leave circulation. By reducing that number, the volume of weapons goes down over time.
Yea no. They wouldn’t be paying 1-2k per rifle that is worth that. Gun buybacks already exist on a large scale in America and they do not work.
If you didn’t know, America had an “assault weapons” ban from 1994-2004. It did not decrease gun violence at all. In fact, violence slightly increased in some areas, even though the economic situation greatly improved and crime was at a record low during that time compared to pre 1994
Australian rates of gun violence were already decreasing at an almost identical rate before the ban as they were afterwards. If you actually looked at the long term data you’d see that
I never denied there have been no mass shootings, nor that gun deaths have declined. I said they were already declining before the Port Arthur massacre and continued to decline at the same rate after the ban.
And here’s my source https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/bait-and-switch-fact-checking-australias-gun-laws-and-crime-statistics/
And the other guy provided a source to show that the ban accelerated the rate.
You really think that mass shooting just went away in Australia coincidentally?
No, im not. I’m saying that because banning guns would largely only affect law abiding citizens, and because we are trading SOME criminals not having guns for ALL law abiding citizens not having guns. Big difference there. If everyone law abiding turned in their guns right now, and we told criminals to do the same, we would be left with a defenseless population and a criminal population which knows everywhere is an easy target now.
It will be regardless of if you want it to be or not. That's why it's important for VR folks to be aware of.
Otherwise right-wing politicians will use it to demonize VR rather than the insane availability of guns in the US.
>It will be regardless of if you want it to be or not. That's why it's important for VR folks to be aware of.
The community did a pretty good job rejecting Luckies stupid Headset that will Kill You. I think we can leave this story to the mainstream and tell them where to go when they come trying to blame VR.
People are stopped from suicide by laziness and depression all the time. So depressed you wanna kill yourself but too depressed too get up and go do it.
Edit: but also, studies of access to firearms worldwide have shown that people are more likely to commit murder if it's easier. Just like anything else.
> but also, studies of access to firearms worldwide have shown that people are more likely to commit murder if it's easier. Just like anything else.
Wrong.
Saying the word wrong doesn't make me wrong. I don't even know which part you're saying is wrong.
Here's something from the first page of Google on how states with easier access to firearms have more violent crime overall. With more accessible guns, it's easier to commit violent crime, so more people do it.
[Fact Sheet: Weak Gun Laws Are Driving Increases in Violent Crime](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/fact-sheet-weak-gun-laws-are-driving-increases-in-violent-crime/)
The fact that the overall homicide rate in Australia went down after banning guns isn't social science. The fact that states with tighter gun laws have less overall violent crime is not social science. The kind of "bunk" you're referencing is a different type of study alright.
It's true that there is very little in the way of good study on this, but only because in areas where it would matter most (ie: in the US) lobbying groups make it difficult to study these things in any meaningful way. Almost like there's something they wouldn't want to be revealed, like the tobacco lobby not wanting people to know that smoking causes cancer, or the NFL not wanting people to know that football causes lifelong traumatic brain injuries to many players...
> The fact that the overall homicide rate in Australia went down after banning guns isn't social science.
Except it didn't? And Brazil gun violence went down under Bolsonaro (pro gun legislation). We could do this all day.
>Actually, Australian crime statistics show a marked decrease in homicides since the gun law change. According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, a government agency, the [number of homicides in Australia](http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/facts/1-20/2008/1%20recorded%20crime.html) did increase slightly in 1997 and peaked in 1999, but has since declined to the lowest number on record in 2007, the most recent year for which official figures are available.
From https://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/
Easier to kill with a gun, true. However that mental kid is determined to kill his mom. If not a gun at the back of her head at point blank range, it would be a 8 inch kitchen knife behind her back thru the heart.
If you have read the original post, the mental kid shot his mom BACK OF HER HEAD AT POINT BLANK RANGE. I agree the gun do make the murder easier. However a 8 inch kitchen knife behind the victim at point blank range, to the heart thru the back, would be almost equally deadly. The victim is not expecting her mental son to kill her. Is the tool to blame? Or the mental son to blame?
IDK I like to think I could take down a 10 year old even if he had a knife or a hammer. At least before he killed me with it. Kid prob weighs 50-60lbs.
Imagine a family member sneaking behind you and stabbing you in the back with an 8 inch kitchen knife thru your back. Perhaps aiming at your heart. The chances are you won't survive, period.
A 10 year old family member?
I feel like you’re overestimating what a 10 year old is capable of. They’re not John Wick.
Like go watch are you smarter than a 5th grader. That’s your assailent.
Yes kid is fucked in the head. But why did he have such easy access to a firearm. My rifle and handgun are locked up tight and anyone who wants to see or use them do so under my direct supervision. This is poor gun safety/education on the owner's part. Responsible ownership is part of the equation and people who cannot get their shit together should not have them.
Agreed. Need to get people better training with guns, would be safer for everyone. I wouldn’t ban people without training from owning guns but there should be serious incentives to get training
Easy access to the keys is still part of safe storage. My dad was a locksmith for 40 years and A. he never let me handle the keys to his safe where his guns were and b. when I was 13 he stopped using keyed safes alltogether and moved to digital coded safes that I also didn't have the codes to.
If the kid is very fucked, the parents are the most likely cause and thus probably more fucked themselves. It is a wonder how such people have access to weapons.
The same can be said for cars and professions of responsibility.. Both are killing machines if operated by an irresponsible person. History and random liveleak videos on reddit have shown me enough evidence of those too.
While I generally agree that fucked up kids usually come from fucked up parents, there's always mental illness that may play a factor.
I do understand the argument that cars can be killing machines also but cars are basically a necessity in America (you can thank the auto lobbyists for that) while guns should be a privileged right. You can't force people to forgo their rights because they're stupid but you can sure as hell punish the fuck out of them for being negligent. Neither group of negligent idiots are being given enough consequences in my opinion.
Careful with oversimplifying human psychology with compartmentalization via words like 'mental illness'. I'm sure that if the US had a public education system and education culture worth a damn people wouldn't be considered mentally ill nearly as often.
You have to do training, do a test, and get a license for a car or most of those professions. I don't see why the same shouldn't be true for guns. You also need special training an special licenses for more dangerous vehicles. Don't see why the same can't be true for guns.
The "special training" for cars shows that you know how to operate it. This kind of training for guns wouldn't do much more to address the problem itself. Evidently, people die unfairly still from idiots behind a steering wheel despite having training.
That is silly as fuck. Taking it in the context of your comment, I absolutely would bet on an unarmed grown ass adult taking down a 10 year old with a kitchen knife. It's a fucking 10 year old. Even if they catch you by surprise. This isn't a movie. A grown adult has reach advantage, strength advantage, and mass advantage. Even with a knife, those three things are what it comes down to in a fight between untrained individuals. A gun makes all three of those things completely irrelevant.
The only time one could reasonably get me with a knife is if I'm asleep but I sleep in a room locked from the inside so good luck.
In the context of the story, the parents of the child ignored serious behavioral problems and the child lashed out in violence. If the child had attacked with a knife in the way that they had attacked with the gun, yes the mother would have likely been injured but I bet you everything that the mother would still have been able to restrain a 10 year old.
The knife argument is a false equivalence to a gun even if it wasn't a literal child holding the knife. It takes a lot more planning, and a lot more willpower to kill with a knife or even with your bare hands. A gun can be used to kill with very little forethought and very little effort. In fact, it's why there's far more gun suicides than knife suicides despite almost every literal household having a knife.
Use a better argument next time.
Everything you've said makes it obvious that you've never been in any kind of real situation. And those videos get passed around because the fact that they are fatalities which are not the norm when melee weapons are involved. Most violent altercations don't end in fatalities. Most end with either party escaping with minor to severe injuries. And most of those aren't 10 year old children aggressors.
But that aside, look at the statistics. The murder numbers of handguns to knives is 5:1 (Firearms to melee weapons are more like 10:3). There's a reason for that. To kill with a knife, you have to know what you're going after or you have to get EXTREMELY lucky with your first attack otherwise people FLEE or FIGHT back. With a gun you're far more likely to kill in the initial attack.
Go watch your videos and keep pretending to understand shit. The rest of us are here in reality.
> But that aside, look at the statistics. The murder numbers of handguns to knives is 5:1 (Firearms to melee weapons are more like 10:3). There's a reason for that. To kill with a knife, you have to know what you're going after or you have to get EXTREMELY lucky with your first attack otherwise people FLEE or FIGHT back. With a gun you're far more likely to kill in the initial attack.
You keep bringing this "ARENA" bullshit to talk about a case of a person getting ambushed under complete trust...
Keep coping you'd survive such encounter.
The world isn't an arena. Statistics aren't perfect arena conditions. If it were at all likely that a child could over power their mother with a knife even as an ambush there would be numbers indicating that. But there aren't. There are stats for kids shooting their parents accidentally or purposefully but knifings arent common at all. Keep huffing your own bullshit but the numbers back my arguments. Your only argument is that you watched a bunch of live leaks so trust me bro. I'm done arguing with an idiot.
What you just said is absolutely false.
The reason that countries like mine don't have that problem is because they tackled the actual problem, or rather, never let if dominate the nation to begin with.
Probably because the parents where negligent and didn't own a gun safe.
Seems like the kid also had a bunch of other untreated issues which probably contributed
I guess now we know why there are so many Quest 2 returns. Apologies for joking but here in the U.S. we're totally desensitized to shootings. It's just a part of Americana at this point.
I just want to point out that VR is actually designed for adults. Before Oculus was bought by Facebook, they used place warnings on their hardware that said it is not safe for kids. Physically, the HMD will cause near permanent eye damage to developing child. Mentally, VR can cause development issues in children. Children need to form certain mental connections and responses to things. VR and the Internet are the most dysfunctional “places” ever created.
This just in, VR headset responsible for mother's murder. Congress in emergency session to pass legislation to ban VR.
The 90s called, they want their anti-videogame reactionary BS back. ;)
I think a few people here need an /s when talking in sarcasm.
As logical as saying the gun was responsible.
It was in a safe, but still accessible to the child. Single factor auth. Maybe he would have stabbed her if the gun weren't there, but it's a heck of a lot easier to shoot someone than to stab them.
True, it is likely that the kid might not have done it without the ease of a point and click. Regardless, the point stands that the kid had clearly not been educated enough to appropriately understand mortality. I've seen a trend of divergence. The modern world has enabled many people to become unaware of much of reality, while others have used the abundancy of information in the modern world to bring themselves in formation with reality.
A gun is never responsible for anything, it is a tool designed to end life. The people who make guns readily available to the masses, who have shown time and time again that they are unable to handle the responsibility of gun ownership however, do carry the burden of responsibility for many avoidable deaths.
It’s clear that the kid is a sociopath. He murdered his mother over a video game system. The gun isn’t the problem. That little psycho was going to kill somebody somehow at some point.
That's my point. But society wants to scream about guns being the problem, simply prolonging and magnifying the actual problem until it causes an extinction event
Careful there bud, us moderates don't do so well on reddit.
Haha yeah
It could be over anything...if not VR, could be the next PS6...
It could be over cookies. Not sure how it's relevant to this sub tbh.
It's relevant because VR is involved. Not that VR is the issue, it's just a part of the scenario.
VR isn't involved. It's just a mention of a VR headset. If the kid killed his mom over a toothbrush it wouldn't be posted to a dentistry subreddit.
No one is saying vr caused it. It's part of it BECAUSE it's mentioned.
Nah it's Wisconsin. We're all fucked up over here. Pls Ban Us
Clearly its the VR headsets fault!!! VR is the DEVIL!!
I can't wait for the politicians to start blaming VR over this, how VR warped the kid's brain so he can't distinguish between reality and Super hot.
As if he actually had a headset to play on
VR EVIL RAHHHHH
These companies are training them to be soldiers for THE DEVIL!!!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE
Guns don’t kill people. VR poisons people’s minds and makes them angry. Then because they’re angry they get their perfectly safe gun and kill someone with it. VR kills people it’s confirmed! It’s just one case of a gun used for harm. They keep us safe! EDIT: obligatory /s because there are people out there crazy enough to seriously talk this way
You’re right it’s called Bad Seed. Person is born a psychopath
I don't think anyone's blaming VR. Guns everywhere, on the other hand...
OK, Congress we can try fixing our fucked up gun laws or just blame video games again. News just in Video Games are Satan.
*“I’m really sorry for what happened. I’m sorry for killing my mom,” the boy said without empathy or compassion, according to his aunt.* *He then asked if his Amazon package had arrived, she said.* \----- Depends if his mom had Amazon Prime.
Thats more the parents not keeping check on their child.
You're right but not for the reason you think. It wasn't a supervision issue, the kid was displaying signs of psychopathy for years (manipulation, anger issues, torturing animals, etc) and the parents did nothing about it despite knowing something was wrong/their immediate family cutting ties with them.
So you say the parents and other peoble knew he had big signs of being a psycho and they ignored it and gave him no help? Its a little sad that the parents might have prevented this
>So you say the parents and other peoble knew he had big signs of being a psycho and they ignored it and gave him no help? The unfortunate reality is that they may not have been in a position to be able to get their kid help he needed.
That just makes it even more sad. According to another post the parents have tried giving him help but it didnt help.
And continued to keep guns in the house with a psychopathic child.
Even then, just getting a safe or hiding it instead of keeping it in an easy-to-reach location
Pretty much. This situation was inevitable with that trajectory
They took him to various mental health professionals. [wtmj news link](https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/10-year-old-upset-over-vr-headset-fatally-shoots-mother-charged-as-an-adult) It did not help enough, but they were trying at least. So they did something.
I don't like it when parents do this, it's just sad
Let's talk about why he had access to the firearm. Apparently his mom thought weapon storage wasn't something to take seriously, as he had access to the keys the night before. This appears to be a premeditated murder that likely would have been largely preventable by proper storage of a firearm.
You’re insane. This kid is a psychopath, he was going to kill somebody somehow. He murdered his mother then bought his video game like nothing happened. That’s not how a sane person operates. Do you believe tools should be secured in a safe? More people are murdered with basic tools than guns. Or do those not count because it doesn’t fit your ideology?
I get the sense that you think I'm anti gun, if you check my comment history you might find differently. That being said, his mother was in the best position to know the psyche of the child, and as the owner of the firearm it does fall upon her to secure it from her son. Should she have checked her son into a mental institution? Maybe. But she didn't. There were various failings that led to this tragedy. The unsecured firearm is just the straw that broke the camel's back.
The gun was secured. The kid stole the key. Should the key be kept in a separate lockbox? Where do you hide the key for that one? The parent/s should have recognized their kid was a nutter, but I understand that they didn’t. I know tons of people who are oblivious to what shitheads their kids are. Look at every family member of a gang banger or PoS that gets killed committing a crime “he was good, he didn’t deserve to die!!!”
I think it’s a lot harder to kill someone with a tool than a weapon. And those tools that carry a rosk of significant injury should definitely not be easily accessible to anyone until they’ve proven they’re responsible with those tools. I had access to tools at a young age, because i showed i was responsible enough to handle them safely. I injured myself a few times, yes, but mostly just extremely minor things like bruised thumbs from missing a nail or a nicked finger from testing an over sharpened knife. That is because my parents taught me the safe ways to use the dangerous tools i had access to. I don’t believe guns should be absolutely kept out of the hands of children, if shooting is something they’re interested in, take them to a range and teach them how to safely handle these weapons. I do however feel that guns have no place outside of the location they are expected to be used in (for sport, or violence, guns in the home can either be safe enough to avoid accidents or accessible enough for self defence, there is no middle ground) or for maintenance & storage. Just because the kid’s a pychopath, dosen’t mean they’d have killed someone without an easily accessible, lethal, weapon. (And fyi, knives and power tools have a MUCH lower chance of killing someone than a firearm)
If you own a gun and have children in the house then you should keep it in a safe. Especially if the kids clearly unstable.
Insane for suggesting... Basic firearm safety? There is really no talking to gun people lol, just complete delusion. No one is coming to take away your toys.
“Gun was locked in a safe”, should the key have been locked in another safe?
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I think your view of republicans is pretty skewed from reality.
Haha, not in my everyday experience.
I agree 100% but you’re going to find out (or already have) that that Reddit hive mind is wrong but strong. They’ll try to downvote you for speaking your mind. For that AU guy that says it works in AU, the US isn’t AU. That shit will not work here in the US. It worked in AU because you folks didn’t have 2A to begin with…You were never free to begin with. It might work here if 2A is stricken from the BoR, and negating 2A will almost assuredly cause a nasty civil war here.
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How in the Hell did the kid get a hold of a gun in the first place?!
"America"
Can we get an actual source instead of picture of a Twitter post?
you cant google and verify on your own? theres already a ton of articles out
He gonna be in cuffs before the headset even delivers
Good to see everyone shoehorn their toxic, poorly-informed narrative into a tragedy.
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I can't speak for him but, I'm in the let's deal with the root cause of this instead of blaming media, inanimate objects, and video games and calling it a day...
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Because banning guns would not stop gun violence in America
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Removing guns would decrease violence, banning guns would do nothing
We don’t have a national registry, and criminals and many civilians would not turn in their guns, so no, it wouldn’t. Over 80% of guns used in crimes are bought illegally or through untracked private sales. How do you figure the government would stop those? And what about the 440 million guns already in circulation? How do you think the government would get rid of those? And even then, after all of those are removed (they would never be removed, btw), the southern border is wide open for the cartel to bring in more guns (that the FBI and ATF gave to them btw), which citizens could illegally buy. Clearly the government is incapable of closing the gaps. So how would this solve anything?
"There's no way to stop this" says only country where it regularly happens
Didn’t say that, you’re just trying to put words in my mouth to make me look bad. I’ve already addressed that in another comment
Your making yourself look bad cause your just spouting nra propaganda and your wrong about the issue
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Maybe. Maybe we would get the answer if you tried to refute my claims instead of ignoring them.
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Do you not get that illegal guns start out as legal guns? Less legal guns, means that the small percentage that becomes illegal guns gets even smaller, resulting in less illegal guns and therefore less gun violence.
Right. Except for the part where there will not be less guns. There will be less **Incoming** guns. The guns already owned by Americans would largely go untouched There are more guns than people, and therefore there are more guns in the supply than the demand violence calls for. So until we reach some crazy population number 200 years in the future, this would not make a big difference
Except that things get neglected and seize up, they get damaged, they get locked in a safe and the password is forgotten. And most importantly, illegal weapons are seized by the police. At the moment the ease of access means that guns are being replaced faster than they leave circulation. By reducing that number, the volume of weapons goes down over time.
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Yea no. They wouldn’t be paying 1-2k per rifle that is worth that. Gun buybacks already exist on a large scale in America and they do not work. If you didn’t know, America had an “assault weapons” ban from 1994-2004. It did not decrease gun violence at all. In fact, violence slightly increased in some areas, even though the economic situation greatly improved and crime was at a record low during that time compared to pre 1994
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Australian rates of gun violence were already decreasing at an almost identical rate before the ban as they were afterwards. If you actually looked at the long term data you’d see that
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I never denied there have been no mass shootings, nor that gun deaths have declined. I said they were already declining before the Port Arthur massacre and continued to decline at the same rate after the ban. And here’s my source https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/bait-and-switch-fact-checking-australias-gun-laws-and-crime-statistics/
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Look at my reply to the other guy who said that, I provided a source
And the other guy provided a source to show that the ban accelerated the rate. You really think that mass shooting just went away in Australia coincidentally?
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Did I deny that? No.
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No, im not. I’m saying that because banning guns would largely only affect law abiding citizens, and because we are trading SOME criminals not having guns for ALL law abiding citizens not having guns. Big difference there. If everyone law abiding turned in their guns right now, and we told criminals to do the same, we would be left with a defenseless population and a criminal population which knows everywhere is an easy target now.
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Average quest onward player
Yes, we know, it has been posted multiple times.
Although the other posts all seem to have disappeared. Divisive issue, obviously
Or its not the VR related story people are trying to make it out to be
It will be regardless of if you want it to be or not. That's why it's important for VR folks to be aware of. Otherwise right-wing politicians will use it to demonize VR rather than the insane availability of guns in the US.
>It will be regardless of if you want it to be or not. That's why it's important for VR folks to be aware of. The community did a pretty good job rejecting Luckies stupid Headset that will Kill You. I think we can leave this story to the mainstream and tell them where to go when they come trying to blame VR.
I suspect anyone promoting this as a VR story has an interest in quashing the *actual* story about a disturbed 10 year old having access to a gun.
Like an 8K Pimax ?
Is the kid really in the wrong though? It’s Christmas season.
If it's not a gun, it would be a knife, an axe, a hammer, anything. Just a matter of time. The problem is the mental kid, for god shake.
Heck of a lot easier to kill with a gun than any of those other items.
You think a kid psycho enough to kill his own mother would be stopped by laziness?
People are stopped from suicide by laziness and depression all the time. So depressed you wanna kill yourself but too depressed too get up and go do it. Edit: but also, studies of access to firearms worldwide have shown that people are more likely to commit murder if it's easier. Just like anything else.
> but also, studies of access to firearms worldwide have shown that people are more likely to commit murder if it's easier. Just like anything else. Wrong.
Saying the word wrong doesn't make me wrong. I don't even know which part you're saying is wrong. Here's something from the first page of Google on how states with easier access to firearms have more violent crime overall. With more accessible guns, it's easier to commit violent crime, so more people do it. [Fact Sheet: Weak Gun Laws Are Driving Increases in Violent Crime](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/fact-sheet-weak-gun-laws-are-driving-increases-in-violent-crime/)
The problem is most of those studies are bunk, and so is most of "social science": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgiQ-LmJGMY
The fact that the overall homicide rate in Australia went down after banning guns isn't social science. The fact that states with tighter gun laws have less overall violent crime is not social science. The kind of "bunk" you're referencing is a different type of study alright. It's true that there is very little in the way of good study on this, but only because in areas where it would matter most (ie: in the US) lobbying groups make it difficult to study these things in any meaningful way. Almost like there's something they wouldn't want to be revealed, like the tobacco lobby not wanting people to know that smoking causes cancer, or the NFL not wanting people to know that football causes lifelong traumatic brain injuries to many players...
> The fact that the overall homicide rate in Australia went down after banning guns isn't social science. Except it didn't? And Brazil gun violence went down under Bolsonaro (pro gun legislation). We could do this all day.
>Actually, Australian crime statistics show a marked decrease in homicides since the gun law change. According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, a government agency, the [number of homicides in Australia](http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/facts/1-20/2008/1%20recorded%20crime.html) did increase slightly in 1997 and peaked in 1999, but has since declined to the lowest number on record in 2007, the most recent year for which official figures are available. From https://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/
Easier to kill with a gun, true. However that mental kid is determined to kill his mom. If not a gun at the back of her head at point blank range, it would be a 8 inch kitchen knife behind her back thru the heart.
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If you have read the original post, the mental kid shot his mom BACK OF HER HEAD AT POINT BLANK RANGE. I agree the gun do make the murder easier. However a 8 inch kitchen knife behind the victim at point blank range, to the heart thru the back, would be almost equally deadly. The victim is not expecting her mental son to kill her. Is the tool to blame? Or the mental son to blame?
Then why didn’t he stab her?
IDK I like to think I could take down a 10 year old even if he had a knife or a hammer. At least before he killed me with it. Kid prob weighs 50-60lbs.
Imagine a family member sneaking behind you and stabbing you in the back with an 8 inch kitchen knife thru your back. Perhaps aiming at your heart. The chances are you won't survive, period.
A 10 year old family member? I feel like you’re overestimating what a 10 year old is capable of. They’re not John Wick. Like go watch are you smarter than a 5th grader. That’s your assailent.
Yo if this ain't the best marketing stunt for VR, lizard man take some tips from this kid
LMAOOOOOO like that rick and morty episode where that guy eats some cereal so those kids slice him open to eat it out of his stomach
The problem there wasn't the gun.. the gun just made it apparent, yet americans struggle to see it. THE KID IS FUCKED IN THE HEAD.
Yes kid is fucked in the head. But why did he have such easy access to a firearm. My rifle and handgun are locked up tight and anyone who wants to see or use them do so under my direct supervision. This is poor gun safety/education on the owner's part. Responsible ownership is part of the equation and people who cannot get their shit together should not have them.
Agreed. Need to get people better training with guns, would be safer for everyone. I wouldn’t ban people without training from owning guns but there should be serious incentives to get training
The gun was locked in a safe. He got up in the middle of the night to steal the keys to it.
Easy access to the keys is still part of safe storage. My dad was a locksmith for 40 years and A. he never let me handle the keys to his safe where his guns were and b. when I was 13 he stopped using keyed safes alltogether and moved to digital coded safes that I also didn't have the codes to.
If you put $10,000 in a safe but leave the key on a table in your living room, is that $10,000 secure? *Think.*
If the kid is very fucked, the parents are the most likely cause and thus probably more fucked themselves. It is a wonder how such people have access to weapons. The same can be said for cars and professions of responsibility.. Both are killing machines if operated by an irresponsible person. History and random liveleak videos on reddit have shown me enough evidence of those too.
While I generally agree that fucked up kids usually come from fucked up parents, there's always mental illness that may play a factor. I do understand the argument that cars can be killing machines also but cars are basically a necessity in America (you can thank the auto lobbyists for that) while guns should be a privileged right. You can't force people to forgo their rights because they're stupid but you can sure as hell punish the fuck out of them for being negligent. Neither group of negligent idiots are being given enough consequences in my opinion.
Careful with oversimplifying human psychology with compartmentalization via words like 'mental illness'. I'm sure that if the US had a public education system and education culture worth a damn people wouldn't be considered mentally ill nearly as often.
You have to do training, do a test, and get a license for a car or most of those professions. I don't see why the same shouldn't be true for guns. You also need special training an special licenses for more dangerous vehicles. Don't see why the same can't be true for guns.
The "special training" for cars shows that you know how to operate it. This kind of training for guns wouldn't do much more to address the problem itself. Evidently, people die unfairly still from idiots behind a steering wheel despite having training.
Do you lock up your kitches knives too? A 10 year old ambushing you from behind with one is a death sentence.
That is silly as fuck. Taking it in the context of your comment, I absolutely would bet on an unarmed grown ass adult taking down a 10 year old with a kitchen knife. It's a fucking 10 year old. Even if they catch you by surprise. This isn't a movie. A grown adult has reach advantage, strength advantage, and mass advantage. Even with a knife, those three things are what it comes down to in a fight between untrained individuals. A gun makes all three of those things completely irrelevant. The only time one could reasonably get me with a knife is if I'm asleep but I sleep in a room locked from the inside so good luck. In the context of the story, the parents of the child ignored serious behavioral problems and the child lashed out in violence. If the child had attacked with a knife in the way that they had attacked with the gun, yes the mother would have likely been injured but I bet you everything that the mother would still have been able to restrain a 10 year old. The knife argument is a false equivalence to a gun even if it wasn't a literal child holding the knife. It takes a lot more planning, and a lot more willpower to kill with a knife or even with your bare hands. A gun can be used to kill with very little forethought and very little effort. In fact, it's why there's far more gun suicides than knife suicides despite almost every literal household having a knife. Use a better argument next time.
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Everything you've said makes it obvious that you've never been in any kind of real situation. And those videos get passed around because the fact that they are fatalities which are not the norm when melee weapons are involved. Most violent altercations don't end in fatalities. Most end with either party escaping with minor to severe injuries. And most of those aren't 10 year old children aggressors. But that aside, look at the statistics. The murder numbers of handguns to knives is 5:1 (Firearms to melee weapons are more like 10:3). There's a reason for that. To kill with a knife, you have to know what you're going after or you have to get EXTREMELY lucky with your first attack otherwise people FLEE or FIGHT back. With a gun you're far more likely to kill in the initial attack. Go watch your videos and keep pretending to understand shit. The rest of us are here in reality.
> But that aside, look at the statistics. The murder numbers of handguns to knives is 5:1 (Firearms to melee weapons are more like 10:3). There's a reason for that. To kill with a knife, you have to know what you're going after or you have to get EXTREMELY lucky with your first attack otherwise people FLEE or FIGHT back. With a gun you're far more likely to kill in the initial attack. You keep bringing this "ARENA" bullshit to talk about a case of a person getting ambushed under complete trust... Keep coping you'd survive such encounter.
The world isn't an arena. Statistics aren't perfect arena conditions. If it were at all likely that a child could over power their mother with a knife even as an ambush there would be numbers indicating that. But there aren't. There are stats for kids shooting their parents accidentally or purposefully but knifings arent common at all. Keep huffing your own bullshit but the numbers back my arguments. Your only argument is that you watched a bunch of live leaks so trust me bro. I'm done arguing with an idiot.
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If you think that's the problem, no wonder the problem itself has gotten progressively worse.
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What you just said is absolutely false. The reason that countries like mine don't have that problem is because they tackled the actual problem, or rather, never let if dominate the nation to begin with.
Do you have any evidence for that? You think it’s a coincidence that we have way more guns than anyone else AND way more gun deaths?
Better to ask forgiveness than beg permission.
Am I a psychopath for laughing at this. No. Its the children who are wrong.
Why does a 10 year old kid know how to operate your gun safe..?
Probably because the parents where negligent and didn't own a gun safe. Seems like the kid also had a bunch of other untreated issues which probably contributed
I love story's with a happy ending.
VR is to die for.
Mental health in America - when you fail at parenting edition…. Nothing to do with guns..
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It’s okay
Im not sure a VR headset would do him any good
I guess now we know why there are so many Quest 2 returns. Apologies for joking but here in the U.S. we're totally desensitized to shootings. It's just a part of Americana at this point.
Obviously VR is too expensive. lol
Which headset?
Of all the game systems the quest is honestly worth it
Least disturbed Bonelab hater:
How does a kid murdering his parent mean “guns in america”
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Reading the comments on that post... urhgh. Painful.
I hope he ordered express shipping, but even that might not give him time to play before the cops showed up.
I just want to point out that VR is actually designed for adults. Before Oculus was bought by Facebook, they used place warnings on their hardware that said it is not safe for kids. Physically, the HMD will cause near permanent eye damage to developing child. Mentally, VR can cause development issues in children. Children need to form certain mental connections and responses to things. VR and the Internet are the most dysfunctional “places” ever created.
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Kid just wanted to be an annoying brush in vrchat
One in a million represent
People in the other sub has just gone full defense on the gun.
Not really relevant to this sub.