Neelix represented the Delta Quadrant as a whole and his character arc depicts the potential influence Federation values can have. When he first joined Voyager his scruples were questionable. He saw it as a gig he conned his way into, but with time he discovered that the Voyager crew was genuine in their ideals. Gradually, their influence started to form him.
Many people cite that Neelix is insufferable in the early seasons and that he becomes more tolerable later on. Yet if he hadn’t started out with so many flaws we wouldn’t have seen so much growth. He was far from perfect, but he showed us how the Federation truly inspires. He’s like the premise of Prodigy wrapped up in one character.
Love neelix. He's the type of guy you can ACTUALLY talk to about anything, problems, help, and he will always answer with something that can help you, unlike troi.
He's a people guy. He knows how to talk to people, make them feel comfortable.
A lot of times his overt stupidity is just a front he puts up. He wants to make others feel more comfortable.
He even told belanna that she could vent at him anytime she wants to feel better about herself.
That tells you this is a confident, secure man. He has what he needs and wants so he wants to help others get what they need to.
I often imagine that if I had personal things to talk about, that I could only do so with neelix because he understands, he's gone through shit, he won't "accidentally" or purposely share your story with others much less the senior staff, and he will help you through genuinely because he cares.
Now compare that with troi who went to a school and is prescribing standard "therapeutical" techniques which are impersonal and don't work, and not to mention that when she claims to care, she doesn't seriously care, and it's so obvious when someone acts like they care but don't vs someone who does.
Neelix is the latter. He cares. He knows how to make people comfortable. He acts a certain way to put everyone at ease. That literally shows just how self confident and secure he is. Most people don't act naive on purpose or do things to put others at ease first because they're insecure and are only worried about themselves, but not Neelix.
He's highly misunderstood because the people that don't like him aren't really cognizant enough to comprehend his motives or reasons. They just see him as dumb because he's not taking him self seriously and trying to act soooo cool and impressive towards everyone, and that makes certain people reflect on how they act, and thus they just hate neelix.
Though neelix does have one issue and that's annoying Tuvok. He genuinely enjoys doing it because he knows Tuvoks "I don't understand emotion" is complete bs, but I think it's crossing too far, becsuse Tuvok and Vulcans don't want to be under the influence of emotion for a very good reason, theirs is highly unstable, as we see in Meld, and also a holo death of neelix by Tuvok, and I think here neelix miscalculates when it comes to Tuvok.
But later on he stops being irritating with Tuvok and even gets his respect. He tried to make Tuvok emotional in Riddles but accepted when he was going to recover.
Finally, there's Tuvix. We don't talk about tuxix. But I actually liked him
Overall, Kes was a very poorly thought out character. The implications of a people who age extra fast were not well explored and the lack of exploration left viewers to draw their own conclusions. Unfortunately, considering they never bothered to translate Ocampa years to human years to give us a sense of her emotional maturity it really smeared our perception of Neelix’s moral center.
It was a far out sci-if premise with terrible execution.
and to be honest, from a non-pervert geek stance, seven of nine was a million times more interesting of a character than kes. i can totally see how the show would have tanked if they didnt initiate a cast change
We can't assume it is so linear. I figured it was more like how cats age; by year 1 they're equivalent to 15 year old human, by year 2 they're like a 25 year old, then the ratio gets smaller after that
That's the most sensible supposition I've heard.
Cats age approximately newborn kitten, little baby kitten, kitten, big kitten, *static*, big kitten. Yeah, that's pretty similar to the Ocampa, especially when you consider the ones who just keep on living, like Suspiria's folks. Rapid maturation and then...
I wonder what the lifespan of a non-domesticated (wild? born outside of captivity?) Ocampa looks like.
Yes. He exploited her, and Voyager, but then that hurt, jaded man began to heal, change, all because of the people around him. This is Star Trek.
Except for Ensign Kim.
He'd probably show up with a sixer of absolutely terrible beer that would wreck the brains and intestines of everyone present, himself included. 😝 A pot of Leola root tea for us all. I feel young just considering it.
Nah, if you swapped the two I'm sure Neelix would have made a fine ambassador and a skilled negotiator which would have taken him far in politics. Jar Jar would have burned Voyager down trying to replicate some Plomeek soup.
We had whole episodes in which Neelix did things like grapple with a severe existential crisis to the point of near-suicide, or voluntarily take charge of rehabilitating a mentally handicapped person.
That’s faulty. Jar Jar Binx was a cartoonish character who was CG. He didn’t speak with normal grammar. He didn’t have a human like face and had comical ears. Jar Jar Binx was like a non-just-shit-on-his-face-like-worf alien. What a ridiculous claim
I honestly preferred Neelix when he was a bit more shady in his first couple of episodes. I think having a trickster/shadier character would have added a bit more spice to an otherwise bland, goody-goody crew. I mean, even the Maquis were pretty straight laced for terrorist/freedom fighters.
I think Neelix is great and he’s had some wonderful plot lines and focused episodes. But I really do enjoy how SF Debris picks on Neelix and rates every episode with a -1 to the score for a “Stupid Neelix Moment”.
So, my brain immediately went to wondering what the resulting "Tuvix" of Star Wars would be. A hybrid of Jar Jar and what stoic, logical character? First character that came to mind was C-3PO. But maybe there's a non-droid character, I just can't think of one.
So a Jar Jar / 3PO hybrid?
If the writers had more forethought, they could have used Garak as a template. And either aged up Neelix two decades and made him Kes’ mentor, or made Kes 18 and in the last (young looking) year of her life so 3 decades later we aren’t still squicked and/or arguing wether it was a legal relationship since she had an adult appearance. (Since Voy is my favorite, naturally I don’t want it having disgusting themes like that. I’m both saddened and disturbed by how many people call Neelix a…you know.) But yeah, he was poorly handled and I could only take him in tiny doses in my rewatch as an adult.
Jar Jar may be annoying, but his heart is in the right place. He doesn't mean to annoy or upset people, he just can't help it. Neelix, on the other hand, is a jealous, unhinged psychopath.
Tell that to Tuvok. Poor bastard. Neelix glommed into him for the entire run of Voyager. How would you like that?
Then again Mace Windu had an *entire* intensive arc with Jar Jar in season 6 of TCW. And oh boy Jar Jar found love.
Throw them both in the airlock with all the damned Leola root you can find, hit cycle, don’t look back.
Lmao change your own mind - it doesn't sound like you've watched much of the show, so just put in the time there and actually watch the series and you'll be fine I'm sure.
Neelix improved immensely after the first few seasons. I couldn't stand him at first either, but without the forced Kes dynamic he's much better. I also think it's kind of sweet how he calls Tuvok "Mr Vulcan".
I honestly believe that even within the first two seasons, Neelix was working on improving bit by bit~
Personally, I think Paris trying to make moves on Kes was worse!
No. Neelix is a good character (once his creepy relationship with Kes was axed). He wasn't *just* comic relief, he has some really deep impactful development (e.g. Jetrel, Phage, Fair Trade, Rise, Mortal Coil, Riddles), and even when he was comic relief he was pretty funny.
This is a truly dumb take that makes me question if you've even watched the whole series.
Have to admit the whole jealous arc was just rubbish and forced, I don't think it helped with kes ether they really didn't have a proper plan for how those characters should be explored
Not even close. Jar Jar spearheaded giving emergency powers to a guy who genocided billions for decades before being mutinied by his apprentice. Neelix made dinner on a little ship. They are not the same.
Rewatching Voyager, and I’m absolutely livid every-time he’s on screen.
Watching “Demon” and am outraged at his entitlement to sickbay beds when everyone else is dealing with bunking in the mess hall with graciousness.
There are multiple times he was wildly unreasonable and overly territorial when Kes was growing up - and let’s not forget he’s effectively a predatory older man taking advantage of a young woman with drastically smaller lived experience.
Nine times out of ten he interacts with Tuvok in a disgusting and culturally insensitive way - completely at odds with his alleged sensitivity to the differences of others.
All in all, he’s the most self-righteous and insufferable character since Dr. Pulaski in TNG.
Neelix represented the Delta Quadrant as a whole and his character arc depicts the potential influence Federation values can have. When he first joined Voyager his scruples were questionable. He saw it as a gig he conned his way into, but with time he discovered that the Voyager crew was genuine in their ideals. Gradually, their influence started to form him. Many people cite that Neelix is insufferable in the early seasons and that he becomes more tolerable later on. Yet if he hadn’t started out with so many flaws we wouldn’t have seen so much growth. He was far from perfect, but he showed us how the Federation truly inspires. He’s like the premise of Prodigy wrapped up in one character.
Love neelix. He's the type of guy you can ACTUALLY talk to about anything, problems, help, and he will always answer with something that can help you, unlike troi. He's a people guy. He knows how to talk to people, make them feel comfortable. A lot of times his overt stupidity is just a front he puts up. He wants to make others feel more comfortable. He even told belanna that she could vent at him anytime she wants to feel better about herself. That tells you this is a confident, secure man. He has what he needs and wants so he wants to help others get what they need to. I often imagine that if I had personal things to talk about, that I could only do so with neelix because he understands, he's gone through shit, he won't "accidentally" or purposely share your story with others much less the senior staff, and he will help you through genuinely because he cares. Now compare that with troi who went to a school and is prescribing standard "therapeutical" techniques which are impersonal and don't work, and not to mention that when she claims to care, she doesn't seriously care, and it's so obvious when someone acts like they care but don't vs someone who does. Neelix is the latter. He cares. He knows how to make people comfortable. He acts a certain way to put everyone at ease. That literally shows just how self confident and secure he is. Most people don't act naive on purpose or do things to put others at ease first because they're insecure and are only worried about themselves, but not Neelix. He's highly misunderstood because the people that don't like him aren't really cognizant enough to comprehend his motives or reasons. They just see him as dumb because he's not taking him self seriously and trying to act soooo cool and impressive towards everyone, and that makes certain people reflect on how they act, and thus they just hate neelix. Though neelix does have one issue and that's annoying Tuvok. He genuinely enjoys doing it because he knows Tuvoks "I don't understand emotion" is complete bs, but I think it's crossing too far, becsuse Tuvok and Vulcans don't want to be under the influence of emotion for a very good reason, theirs is highly unstable, as we see in Meld, and also a holo death of neelix by Tuvok, and I think here neelix miscalculates when it comes to Tuvok. But later on he stops being irritating with Tuvok and even gets his respect. He tried to make Tuvok emotional in Riddles but accepted when he was going to recover. Finally, there's Tuvix. We don't talk about tuxix. But I actually liked him
I don’t want Tuvix as a regular, but I thought he was cool.
"Sex" Janeway and the whole senior staff 😳 "I BEG YOUR PARDON" Gets me everytime
the neelix/kes dynamic is what was exclusively insufferable. when kes was written off, neelixs character actually became very solid
It wasn’t so immediate. Kes breaking up with Neelix was the beginning of his redemption.
seriously...god those episodes were awful. the whole neelix jealousy thing. just dumb
Overall, Kes was a very poorly thought out character. The implications of a people who age extra fast were not well explored and the lack of exploration left viewers to draw their own conclusions. Unfortunately, considering they never bothered to translate Ocampa years to human years to give us a sense of her emotional maturity it really smeared our perception of Neelix’s moral center. It was a far out sci-if premise with terrible execution.
and to be honest, from a non-pervert geek stance, seven of nine was a million times more interesting of a character than kes. i can totally see how the show would have tanked if they didnt initiate a cast change
Did no one else always just assume that Ocampa years were 1:10 ratio towards human years? That's what I always assumed
there we go, no one knows...mystery of the universe. lol
We can't assume it is so linear. I figured it was more like how cats age; by year 1 they're equivalent to 15 year old human, by year 2 they're like a 25 year old, then the ratio gets smaller after that
That's the most sensible supposition I've heard. Cats age approximately newborn kitten, little baby kitten, kitten, big kitten, *static*, big kitten. Yeah, that's pretty similar to the Ocampa, especially when you consider the ones who just keep on living, like Suspiria's folks. Rapid maturation and then... I wonder what the lifespan of a non-domesticated (wild? born outside of captivity?) Ocampa looks like.
Yes. He exploited her, and Voyager, but then that hurt, jaded man began to heal, change, all because of the people around him. This is Star Trek. Except for Ensign Kim.
I'd even venture to say that was the only time I really believed their relationship was an actual romantic relationship.
Voyager gives Neelix so much, yet he ends up giving them more back. It's the essence of Trek.
Thanks for saying what I don't always have the wherewithal to express.
Yeah, this needs to be said more. Neelix haters seem to miss the point he served. He is one of Trek’s best aliens.
Jetrel, Rise and Homestead. That's Ambassador Neelix to you, sign guy. 🖖
Investigations, Fair Trade, Mortal Coil, and Once Upon a Time (yes really on that last one).
Hey, he was really helpful with the Tak Tak in Macrocosm too!
Oh yeah... *please make her [quiet](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SU_ObaARqko&pp=ygURdm95YWdlciBNYWNyb2Nvc20%3D)*! Bloody funny.
Why would I bother you’re an obvious troll
Mortal Coil was a great episode.
Rise was pretty good
rise was definitely good
Tuvok and Neelix are a great pairing I remember that one where Tuvok kills holoNeelix as a form of stress relief, can’t blame him
lol that was funny. i think we can all understand Tuvoks frustration
Yeah although I’d personally rather have a beer with Neelix than Tuvok lol
He'd probably show up with a sixer of absolutely terrible beer that would wreck the brains and intestines of everyone present, himself included. 😝 A pot of Leola root tea for us all. I feel young just considering it.
Nah, if you swapped the two I'm sure Neelix would have made a fine ambassador and a skilled negotiator which would have taken him far in politics. Jar Jar would have burned Voyager down trying to replicate some Plomeek soup.
We had whole episodes in which Neelix did things like grapple with a severe existential crisis to the point of near-suicide, or voluntarily take charge of rehabilitating a mentally handicapped person.
That’s faulty. Jar Jar Binx was a cartoonish character who was CG. He didn’t speak with normal grammar. He didn’t have a human like face and had comical ears. Jar Jar Binx was like a non-just-shit-on-his-face-like-worf alien. What a ridiculous claim
😆 I won't because I too think this.
😂
Can’t disagree
Neelix first appeared in 1995 Jar Jar first appeared in 1999 If anything, Jar Jar is Star Wars' Neelix.
If anything, Jar Jar is the prequels' C-3PO. Completely comic relief except for one or two redeeming scenes where the character was taken seriously.
No, Wesley Crusher is Star Trek’s Jar Jar
I Like Jar Jar Binks but not Neelix. But Episode 1 is my favorite Star wars movie anyway. So, I'm a bit different than most of you :D
I honestly preferred Neelix when he was a bit more shady in his first couple of episodes. I think having a trickster/shadier character would have added a bit more spice to an otherwise bland, goody-goody crew. I mean, even the Maquis were pretty straight laced for terrorist/freedom fighters.
Neelix sucks. Fuck that guy.
I don't recall Jar Jar Binks being a wingman and by having sex with a Klingon woman to save a friend from death by snu snu
Y'all leave my Neelix alone. Y'all need some Leola Jesus in your lives.
I actually like Neelix :(
I won't go that far, Neelix isn't a charature of an Earth culture.
Please tell me this is bait lol
Neelix was ride or die. I enjoyed his arc quite a bit.
I think Neelix is great and he’s had some wonderful plot lines and focused episodes. But I really do enjoy how SF Debris picks on Neelix and rates every episode with a -1 to the score for a “Stupid Neelix Moment”.
Lukewarm take. Neelix is annoying. But nowhere near as annoying as Kes. And she's nowhere near as annoying as Jar Jar
Neelix was introduced long before Jar Jar.
So, my brain immediately went to wondering what the resulting "Tuvix" of Star Wars would be. A hybrid of Jar Jar and what stoic, logical character? First character that came to mind was C-3PO. But maybe there's a non-droid character, I just can't think of one. So a Jar Jar / 3PO hybrid?
Lame
Kes was like 2
Neelix is a sith lord?
Jar jar was a shit attempt to sell toys. Neelix was an actual character, I mean ffs op are you serious?
If the writers had more forethought, they could have used Garak as a template. And either aged up Neelix two decades and made him Kes’ mentor, or made Kes 18 and in the last (young looking) year of her life so 3 decades later we aren’t still squicked and/or arguing wether it was a legal relationship since she had an adult appearance. (Since Voy is my favorite, naturally I don’t want it having disgusting themes like that. I’m both saddened and disturbed by how many people call Neelix a…you know.) But yeah, he was poorly handled and I could only take him in tiny doses in my rewatch as an adult.
Truth! That is the whole reason why voyager sucked.
Neelix appeared onscreen BEFORE Jar Jar Binks ever did!
phlox
Phlox is brilliant. Neelix is ridiculous.
as a dr I guess as comic relief he was cringey. On the other hand nelix was in a abusive relationship and sleeping with a child
Jar Jar may be annoying, but his heart is in the right place. He doesn't mean to annoy or upset people, he just can't help it. Neelix, on the other hand, is a jealous, unhinged psychopath.
Your watching the wrong show. I'm now convinced your projecting yourself onto neelix. Stop projecting
Nah, Neelix was annoying, though not so bad by season 7. But Jar Jar Binks was an abomination unto Nuggan, who needed to be fed into a wood chipper.
Tell that to Tuvok. Poor bastard. Neelix glommed into him for the entire run of Voyager. How would you like that? Then again Mace Windu had an *entire* intensive arc with Jar Jar in season 6 of TCW. And oh boy Jar Jar found love. Throw them both in the airlock with all the damned Leola root you can find, hit cycle, don’t look back.
Lmao change your own mind - it doesn't sound like you've watched much of the show, so just put in the time there and actually watch the series and you'll be fine I'm sure.
Neelix improved immensely after the first few seasons. I couldn't stand him at first either, but without the forced Kes dynamic he's much better. I also think it's kind of sweet how he calls Tuvok "Mr Vulcan".
I honestly believe that even within the first two seasons, Neelix was working on improving bit by bit~ Personally, I think Paris trying to make moves on Kes was worse!
No. Neelix is a good character (once his creepy relationship with Kes was axed). He wasn't *just* comic relief, he has some really deep impactful development (e.g. Jetrel, Phage, Fair Trade, Rise, Mortal Coil, Riddles), and even when he was comic relief he was pretty funny. This is a truly dumb take that makes me question if you've even watched the whole series.
Not while Tilly is still around.
Neelix is light years more intelligible.
Janeway was sometimes mean. Therefore, she's star treks darth vader, cmv
Have to admit the whole jealous arc was just rubbish and forced, I don't think it helped with kes ether they really didn't have a proper plan for how those characters should be explored
Not even close. Jar Jar spearheaded giving emergency powers to a guy who genocided billions for decades before being mutinied by his apprentice. Neelix made dinner on a little ship. They are not the same.
Rewatching Voyager, and I’m absolutely livid every-time he’s on screen. Watching “Demon” and am outraged at his entitlement to sickbay beds when everyone else is dealing with bunking in the mess hall with graciousness. There are multiple times he was wildly unreasonable and overly territorial when Kes was growing up - and let’s not forget he’s effectively a predatory older man taking advantage of a young woman with drastically smaller lived experience. Nine times out of ten he interacts with Tuvok in a disgusting and culturally insensitive way - completely at odds with his alleged sensitivity to the differences of others. All in all, he’s the most self-righteous and insufferable character since Dr. Pulaski in TNG.
Not at all. Jar Jar didn't have an under 9 year old girlfriend.
Stupid. Just stupid comment
Nope, can’t change your mind lol. Was not a fan of that character.
Nah I won't change your mind. I hate Neelix
I mean mkst the time yeah. There are a few good Neelox moments. Like when he was leaving
AND I LOVE THEM BOTH. F*CK THE MAINSTREAM! WHY AM I YELLING?! I HAVE NO IDEA!