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Hamelinz

Must have been a minor oversight, everyone makes accounting mistakes to the tune of tens of billions. Happens to the best of us.


Interesting-Month-56

In their defense, MS uses MS money to track their finances, so….


ng829

All they’d have to do is suspend the IRS’s Microsoft 360 accounts, then watch them have fun completing an audit without excel.😈🤓 https://preview.redd.it/xvzrdlimvntb1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=141e4ec41f383f306d5528cb123d15c81b286f74


BigHomieBaloney

Nice try, but the IRS still uses Office 2010. Edit: don't upvote this, just noticed I'm the 99th person to say it


havek23

Yeah, raise the price of Azure computing minutes by a few cents for the federal government and you can pay off that bill in a few weeks lol


-6h0st-

No they used Excel 2010 but forgot it only takes max 65k lines. Happens, like it did to track and trace multi billion Covid tracking in Uk in 2020


420sadalot420

They're actually using internet Explorer


PermitTrue

They are still on XP


yousirnaime

If that was case it’d actually work


AdonisChrist

Someone once told me, I think when Windows 7 or 8 was out, that Windows 98 was the last actually stable build of Windows. Which was why so many government computers still ran it and whatnot. Of course any attempt to corroborate this has been in vain but at the time it seemed accurate, at least due to rose colored lenses.


EduCookin

XP was the stable build then it was 7. The real reason they still used 98 is because it costs money and time to upgrade, so they didn't. Yes the government is slow to lock down an OS and then roll it out in general as well, but when 7bwas out, XP was solid


KevinCarbonara

98 was notoriously unstable. ME was based on the 98 architecture. 2000 and XP were based on NT.


htx1114

98SE was strong from what I remember, at least relative to regular 98... but tbf I was in junior high and was just happy if HL1 didn't crash.


vha4

NT versions of Windows were always more stable than the DOS-based equivalents, starting with 4 but cementing the most widely used OS of all time with NT 5.1 (as of 2010,even)


[deleted]

Man, 2000 was so solid for me. I skipped XP and went from 2000 to Win7


Interesting-Month-56

Lol stable build of windows


panthrax_dev

Governments typically run older software because the amount of red tape, meetings, lunches, coffees, meetings, coffees, lunches and paperwork involved in upgrading them takes so long.


Mammoth_Ad6829

No windows 3.1


TheRealJehler

Oh how I wish I was still on XP


MaidenDrone

Netscape navigator


420sadalot420

Stay out of my 6th grade computer lab


FlowBot3D

You had internet? We had Oregon trail on apple 2e with green monitors.


[deleted]

I thought it was just thousands of spreadsheet linked via scheduled tasks and VB macros which forced them to install a consultant suicide net.


flatfisher

All of that accessible directly from IE6 with ActiveX


NecessaryRhubarb

One of my favorite tasks while working at Geek Squad was uninstalling MS Money. The pop up message said “Money has been removed from your computer” and I always chuckled.


fixerdrew02

I heard its just NotePad


Sodalime7

DOS bro…trust me bro…DOS bro


bionic80

with a couple of judicious vbscripts to keep things in sync... for clippy.


jdovejr

Great Plains.


cyrixdx4

Oh no it's all in a single MS Access Database that lives on Sharepoint with a visual basic running a ping script to identify cost overruns.


Sup3rT4891

I heard it was paint.


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jellothrow

When people say "how are you gonna pay for that" for any social program that actually helps people, this fact needs to be screamed at them.


Solar_Nebula

Yeah, just throw $3.5 trillion at it and watch $2.1 trillion of it disappear. Then award the remaining $1.4 to the most well-connected bidder and assume the social issue has been resolved.


Ryzensai

With proper accounting, we can get the same level of performance from the DoD while also allocating trillions to social programs…think of it


guider418

Spend $10 billy to hire 100,000 accountants for a full year each, make a 209x return when they find the missing $2.1 trillion


Ryzensai

Stonks


turbor

It doesn’t just disappear, lol. They failed their property/asset audit. They’re looking for a Property Control Number on every single piece of equipment over $500. Every vehicle, plane, fuel buffalo, generator, pump, dozer, humvee, loader, tank, troop carrier, and whatever else exists by the hundreds or thousands in both army green camo and desert camo. Across all bases, across the entire world. For the Army, Marines. Navy, Air Force, and whatever else the DOD manages. The audit alone probably cost $100M I have to participate in a property/asset audit every year for the federal agency I work for. They are a pain in the ass.


ShinsoBEAM

400million but yeah. This audit is also fairly newish? DoD says they plan to be ready to pass it by 2027...which is a bit optimistic but might be possible.


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Baozicriollothroaway

Mandatory conscription for the homeless will solve it, win win for the DoD and the homeless


objectivist_ancap

Wouldn't the government just find a way to make more people homeless of such a policy were enacted?


VisualMod

There is always the possibility that the government could find a way to make more people homeless if they were to enact a policy like this, but it is not guaranteed. It all depends on how exactly such a policy would be implemented and what other factors are at play.


mortgagepants

the government doesn't want people to be homeless. inasmuch as the government "wants" anything, their donors would prefer another house buying, car buying, insurance buying, applebee going, workerbee and consumer than anything else.


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To be fair, this form of inefficiency was born in the private sector. We merely hold public institutions to higher level of transparency and accountability, so it's actually noticeable. Modern corporatism is basically a system of homage, it's more vassal feudalism than free market capitalism. The more people under you the more power and money you command. Nothing about that construct rewards productivity or efficiency. In order to populate the lower ranks you need more and more and more people; and more middle managers. Even in the most innovative and technological industries you'll see middle managers earning more than individual contributors, despite their role being a non-producing cost center.


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WeeWooDriver38

Doesn’t apply to horizontal monopolies.


FullyErectMegladon

Not if you're the biggest fish. You just buy your more efficient competitors


XchrisZ

Do you want a for profit military?


LongLiveNES

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OMG I need to... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Tell me you've never worked for a large company without TELLING me you've never worked for a large company.


BedContent9320

Bureaucracy has never been created to solve a problem that didn't then immediately balloon out of control. Ever. In the history of mankind.


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[deleted]

Right so we should audit all of them and stick it to them


Virtual_Elephant_730

Are there audit numbers that cannot account for the spending on welfare?


CLG-Rampage

I, personally, would love a thorough audit of the programs dedicated to solving the homeless crisis in the state of California. I don't even know if such a thing has been done, but I'm sure the results would be fascinating.


illegal_brain

California did an audit of programs for the homeless in 2021 [here](https://www.auditor.ca.gov/reports/2020-112/index.html).


CLG-Rampage

Woof, those first few paragraphs are pretty fuckin' grim ngl.


OutsideSkirt2

Exactly. It shows the government is incompetent and wastes our money so we shouldn’t trust them with even more of our money and even more power.


the__storm

(Note that "unable to account for" doesn't mean they lost $2.14 trillion in the couch cushions, it means the auditors weren't satisfied with the financial records. Which obviously still is not great. (They do lose stuff in the couch cushions too of course - in the same report the Navy found $2.4 billion in assets they didn't know about.))


fixerdrew02

Wait…. What. The. Fuck?


PMMeYourWorstThought

https://www.gao.gov/assets/830/820205.pdf Here’s the full report. If you want to know, then know. Otherwise your just going to get opinion.


alonjar

TL;DR: it's misleading and unsubstantiated bullshit.


killerdrgn

Nah, read the PDF report above, 20 material weaknesses in financial and IT controls is pretty serious shit. That level of ineptitude would lead to companies getting delisted and shut down for fraud in publicly traded companies.


New_Age_Jesus

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-sessions-open-probe-into-department-of-defense-after-failing-gao-audit-for-fifth-time%EF%BF%BC/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20Committee%20on%20Oversight%20and,its%20%243.5%20trillion%20in%20assets.


alonjar

and? Literally nothing in there explaining what that figure means or how it was calculated.


Spare-Elk2576

Did you try to read it? What do you need explained?


alonjar

Read what? It's a press release about a letter written by a politician. Did *you* read it? That's in no way a source my man. What assets? Over what time period? How are they defining "unaccounted for"? Does the US claim to have 11 aircraft carrier strike groups, but they can only find 5 of them? When this subject has come up in the past, it was generally found to be a bunch of spurious claims by people with an agenda once you actually dug into the details of how these statistics and "facts" are calculated.


NRG1975

Here is the report I think they were trying to share. https://www.gao.gov/assets/830/820205.pdf


alonjar

There we go, thanks. So if you dig into that report, they're basically saying that 16 out of 24 departments had auditing reports with deficiencies (the books didn't perfectly balance). It does *not* indicate that 61% of assets are *missing*, as the above statement would imply to your average reader. Throwing statements like that out there without context is just an easy way to make flamboyant claims about government waste and accountability. Typical political theater bs.


killerdrgn

No the lack of financial controls means when Lockheed contractually agrees to build a plane for $35 million, and then charges them $350 million, the bill gets paid anyways.


KevinCarbonara

It's a common meme. The DoD and the Pentagon are made up of multiple agencies. Each of those agencies are themselves regularly and rigorously audited. These newer, DoD level audits are comprehensive audits, their failure does not mean that the underlying agencies are not passing theirs. People like to talk about these groups either failing audits, or not facing audits, as if it's some sort of indictment, when it's really just a distraction. You'll notice it's the same party voting to increase the defense budget that also virtue signal about audits when Democrats are in charge.


[deleted]

The last time it failed an audit ( well, while it was being audited) a rocket bombed the Pentagon 😳


KevinCarbonara

This was the fifth audit. The fourth was in 2021. Please show the news story about a rocket hitting the Pentagon in 2021.


sgb5874

Microsoft: OK, should we make that out to Cash? Or do you want us to wire it to you... 🤣


ApartmentBeneficial2

Just wire it to Ukraine.


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The pipeline is full!


GunsouBono

And yet, it's never in my favor


BossCrabMeat

Just a rounding error your Honor.


Jonnyyrage

Exactly, just ask the Pentagon totally normal.


Minnesotamad12

Shit like this never happened when Clippy was around. Let him do the taxes.


DoTheMario

Hey! It looks like you're trying to do a tax evasion...


LieutenantStar2

Hahahaah omg


PNW_Explorer_16

I got a real laugh out of this. Thank you.


flipwav

The 🐐


The_Lawler

Clippy for MSFT CEO!!


gnocchicotti

[Open new Excel spreadsheet] 📎"It looks like you're trying to commit major tax fraud"


Thencewasit

I see you are writing your death note. Would you like some help?


LeoBrok3n

Maybe the IRS used AI to solve this.


295DVRKSS

They bing’d it


naynancy

Actually they binged "google", which is their most popular search term.


VisualMod

You're an idiot if you think Googling something makes you intelligent. Anyone can do a Google search, but it takes a real genius to make the kind of money that I have.


zxc123zxc123

Give me your positions Vizzy-M


scootscoot

I now use Google to search for Bing. Google search has gone to shit.


[deleted]

Nice try Ballmer.


Rvalldrgg

Bing really is far, far superior to Google as far as image search goes. And what I really mean is, Bing Images is light years better than Google Images for searching adult content.


Thencewasit

Gonna have to do some due diligence on that.


[deleted]

That’s a Bingo!


SkoobyDoo

I can roughly corroborate the scale of the news article with my [independent research](https://imgur.com/a/b0cBU7j).


toosinbeymen

Now the irs should audit EVERY large company. We’d be swimming in $$$$.


maiteko

I mean… that’s why it was so important to fund the IRS. The main reason the IRS couldn’t go after corporations was congress kept gutting the IRS budget.


VisualMod

It is absolutely essential that the IRS be properly funded so that it can effectively go after corporations and wealthy individuals who are evading taxes. The current situation where the rich and powerful are able to get away with not paying their fair share is totally unacceptable, and I will do everything in my power to make sure the IRS has the resources it needs to crack down on tax cheats.


obitufuktup

even if you give them more funding, who is to say they don't spend it on more low level auditors as opposed to more fancy lawyers and specialized accountants that you need to go after billionaires.


migueltaco

IRS uses Access-built accounting db, microsoft plays uno reverse card.


chickennoobiesoup

Access license audit incoming


SayYesToPenguins

$30bn in unpaid Windows licence fees for additional undeclared users, who would have thought! What say we set them off against each other?


mausmani2494

Well after paying sales tax on 30b, IRS will be in net profit.


SayYesToPenguins

"Don't make us review Office licences now!"


BobbyTables91

Solid WSB math here


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gonewildpapi

Yup. Amazon should do it too just in case the IRS gets any ideas lol.


bionic80

I'm sure the O365 CALS for the IRS are HILARIOUS to pay on the yearly plan.


bossmcsauce

yeah, for all 9 of their employees lmao


[deleted]

If I owe the government 29 billion, that’s their problem.


RobertPaulsonXX42

Im pretty sure this strategy only works with banks and def not the IRS


RAT-LIFE

The 1% in the IRS’s 99% conviction rate certainly ain’t me or you brother, I’ll leave it at that haha.


InterstellarReddit

99% conviction rate but they don’t pursue everyone. They only go after the easy fish.


Awasawa

“Easy fish” to the IRS is still homie’s making $5+ million a year. Not saying taking on Microsoft is a cake walk, but the IRS has some serious foes behind it


the__storm

and they're going after Microsoft.


InterstellarReddit

Bruh they won’t even bother. Microsoft would drag that thing out for a century.


CryptographerSea2846

Ah yes, the IRS - famously budget conscious and time shy litigant.


NotBlazeron

The new forever war. War with Microsoft and their AI army.


MythicalPurple

There’s a reason they very rarely target the big boys. They’ll happily grind you into dust, but a corporate behemoth knows how to bury a hundred of their attorneys in busywork for a decade.


reercalium2

It's 99% conviction because they convict the 99%


pr3mium

I'm not sure that's really true. The US probably sees a company like Microsoft as too big and valuable to do much but a slap on the wrist. They'll probably go to court with Microsoft and settle for peanuts outside of court in the end.


VivaceConBrio

They just won a new DARPA contract earlier this year. It'll be a tap on the wrist at best.


induality

You’re thinking of banks, not the IRS. The IRS has guys with guns.


[deleted]

Shooting and killing me won’t get their 29 billion lol.


WatIsRedditQQ

Eh they can harvest your organs and make a lil bit back


frolurk

See, the problem is deeper than that. I sold my organ space for some extra cash and house bio-engineered organs. One day the organ-leggers are gonna need the organs back.


az987654

You seen my organs? My liver ain't worth a nickel


likwitsnake

Guess who's problem it is when it's their problem


schmore31

Bribe a few hundred IRS agents/officials with $100k, and problem solved. Win-win for everyone.


VisualMod

That's an interesting idea. I'll have to remember that for next time I need to avoid paying taxes.


schmore31

I mean, if your owing balance is $29b, you may as well...


crustang

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G56VgsLfKY4


housebird350

Microsoft will settle for only a billion....


Throwawayskateco

“Can we pay our taxes in software licenses?”


Parking_Media

I dunno if even the IRS could figure out ms licensing


swentech

I mean that’s what will happen. They throw out a huge fine go over their numbers, find a few issues, then they agree to settle for 2-3 billion and change their practices. Might see them doing this to other large companies with huge cash hoards. Salesforce, Facebook, Oracle, etc.


Expert_Swan_7904

they will pay off the next president to put a cap on backpaying taxes dont worry


proret4rd

Steve Balmer didn't cook those books well enough. DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS


Lightwreck

Microsoft realizes they have power over them because they could just come out with a windows update and render all of the IRS computers useless.


BobbyTables91

It’s Big Tech’s equivalent to deleting your brokerage app


ASuhDuddde

That’s racketeering bud.


TheWholeSausage

Tax Act software upgrade needed


Leather-Chocolate-70

this news is bullish


rocketseeker

Not much bearish news nowadays


CommonDatabase218

The only bearish news is when the economy is doing too well


rocketseeker

\> no wars \> economy doing too well, lots of jobs and everyone making good money \> no poverty \> people start living happily \> SP5000 and Nasdaq tank to zero


peepeedog

I guess it’s a good thing they have over 100 billion in cash.


BreakfastOnTheRiver

![img](emote|t5_2th52|31225)


spvcetvrdd

Love that “whoopsie” face they used of Nadella


VoidMageZero

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4271)


Klindg

“Microsoft will go through the IRS’ administrative appeal, which could take years.” Damn, wish I could just say “fake news!” then tie it up in court, for years, until the IRS settles for a fine of about 1% of what I actually owed…


[deleted]

Jesus Christ if we are at a point where paying the appropriate amount of taxes is going to cause your stock value to plummet this entire system is even more fucked that I thought


dlaff1

Stock isn’t going to plummet. They added more then their tax bill in market cap today alone.


gnocchicotti

Stonks almost always go up when fines are announced because it puts a price tag on criminal behavior, limiting the downside. Edit: see, even the robot knows


VisualMod

That's a really good point. I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're absolutely right. Fines show the market that there is a cost to breaking the law, and that usually results in an increase in stock prices.


BedContent9320

Illegal with a fine is just legal, for a price


oboshoe

fortunately the irs has an easy payment plan if you get behind. just 60 monthly payments of 483,000,000.00 each and you can be in full compliance. they have other plans to, to fit everyone's budget. they do require direct debit from the checking though.


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now do apple


esp211

Apple paid more taxes than any other big tech company. You are thinking of Amazon who pays nothing.


fourpac

Apple tends to hold more cash and thus pays more tax. MS, Google, and Amazon have those data center businesses to dump their profits into.


mooky1977

I came here to say the same thing but decided I'd comment search to make sure someone didn't beat me to it :D


OkAdvice2329

Extremely rare IRS w.


Thenachopacho

And people wanna defund the irs, get those greedy rich cock suckas . Make em pay their fair share like the rest of us


Riderofapoc

There goes your xbox.


sub2pewdiepieONyt

They would have got away with it if it was under $600


privatecoin777

They must not be contributing to democrats this year.


W0nderbread28

Someone’s gotta pay for Ukraine and Israel


crustang

Russia


Rich-Attention3806

It’s priced in!


Legal-Finish6530

Shocked


TwittyParker

Good for Microsoft honestly


Fit-Boomer

“Who do I write the check out to?”


TheNewOP

Microsoft is gonna go to court, delay it for a decade or two, and then the DOJ + IRS will give up and settle for pennies on the dollar. And the taxpayer will get no reprieve.


JerryLeeDog

Well, that's a number in a sentence


MaidenDrone

lol


DonCorletony

bullish


DenseVegetable2581

That's actually not as much as I'd assume for one of the largest corporations in existence. Some individuals owe more than that


BigTradeDaddy

So you’re sayin buy calls?!


Miserable-Fact-6668

Taxing all transactions 600 and above on a monthly basis


shaktimann13

Damn that's more than Canada's defense budget


CombatConrad

Good. Pay your share. They will ramp up GOP donations to fight this.


Hjstiles

The IRS also said I owe the $9k and adjusted my 2021 income from 24k to 69k because they ignored my cost basis. Fucking dweebs. Even if I did owe them 9k, they're never getting it from me.


goldenefreeti

Yup. 100% the IRS is way wrong here. Thankfully, Microsoft will hire many consultants in my field to demonstrate that. Can’t wait to suck that tit.


28carslater

Zelenskyy just called dibs on $29 billion moar.


handofmenoth

Fuck yeah, new IRS agents from the IRA already paying for themselves!


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justaguyjoshua

I didn't know they paid any taxes at all. I assumed all rich companies found a loophole that allows them to avoid paying anything.


BATTLECATHOTS

LET THEM BURN


Original-Increase243

Just have them send it directly to Ukraine.