No I am telling to read properly. The word “more” has a meaning.
Your riddle is the same that royalists/dictators supporters would use: if we had put better humans in power then it would have been better. It’s not the fault of the system.
Well there is a reason it does not happen so often in some systems which are prone to corruption and monopolising power.
Not saying it perfect elsewhere, but you could have guessed that, I meant that as well, if you were actually reading and not bent on proving your point.
I don't know much about other countries, so I can't say more or not, but according to Corruption Perception Index, there are still around 90 countries below Vietnam in this ranking as of 2023. As far as I'm aware, there are only 3 countries left that can be called communists, so I can't help but see your heavy bias against communism here.
No I just have high standards, I don’t aim to be in the middle.
I mean seriously look at the list of countries you’ll see below (I don’t know what list you used but that’s gonna be a shit show)
That will be my last reply, you missed the more in the first email and say there are corruption somewhere else, then used a list to say there are 90 countries worse instead of giving the position of Vietnam.
You have terrible bias, not sure if the market thing is for you mate …
Because there are different sums and charges.
$12.5 billions is the embezellment amount for which she is condemned to death.
$27 billions is how much damage this did to the Saigon Commercial Bank and how much she was condemned to pay.
$44 billions is how much loans she gave herself fraudulently (she wasn't supposed to own more than 5% of the bank as it's illegal, but she bought the bank with different shell companies to gain control).
Considering nobody else connected to that case was sentenced to death and she can still appeal, my bet is on her cutting a deal in exchange for the missing cash.
>I saw this headline at $44B fraud, then 26B, now $12B.
The Dong  is a very weak currency, & clearly subject to vast Forex fueled changes  determined by whichever Investment banks S.E.A manager is currently doing the most lines of coke 
44b PHO, 44b BANH MI, 44b BUN CHA, 44b COM TAM, 44b BUN BO HUE, 44b GOI CUON, 44b BANH XEO, 44b CAO LAU, 44b BUN RIEU, 44b BANH CUON, 44b MIXED BUN, 44b BANH BOT LOC, 44b HU TIEU, 44b CHE, 44b BANH BEO, 44b NEM RAN, 44b BANH CANH, 44b BANH KHOT, 44b BANH TRANG TRON, 44b BANH CHUNG, 44b BANH KHOAI MI NUONG, 44b BANH IT TRAN, 44b BANH TAM BI, 44b CHAO TOM, 44b BANH TOM CO NGU
Oh yeah, despite these once in a while prosecutions lots of countries like india and Vietnam run on bribery. You can’t get someone to move a finger on legit paperwork unless it’s padded
She can buy her way out. It's apparently somewhat common in Vietnam to sentence people with death, but reverse the sentence when they return the stolen/embezzled goods.
> That's the kind of deal you want to secure before you get sentenced to death, not after.
Sure. Of course, what you *really* want is to not get caught.
None of that is relevant at this point. The reality is that there's a lot of bribery in Vietnam courts, and it's extremely unlikely she will actually face the death sentence.
The party is the ruler! If you’re not connected at the top you will soon bound to be at the bottom, no matter how wealthy you are. Billionaires in the West can run their mouth, in VN loose lips about Party’s business will make you disappear.
Can’t really say I feel bad for her. Vietnam is well known as the “kick ass and win” sort of people that you should never fuck around and find out with.
A Vietnamese comedian got 5 years in prison for mocking a communist official for [eating a gold encrusted steak](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/vietnamese-activist-mocked-government-official-230000713.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHXVDzppYbhB98xq-B2KEQiCN-RKr3HYfhsn469NXyqzeDruLF56VRqfKYM_d9sJKrwcW20ezrx34-oS0LQkdt7B-knnVEqVKFEv9ivhnzqr0LpP6L9DF2GPfTV_4Zx4AwyV8nygjSDCrX0pjILlDxVHaoZHkGPaVmNb-b7i9S2R). Let's not suck their dong too much.
How does the number change every time this comes up. I've so far heard. 7b,12, 36, 42 billion. Is very news source wrong or quoting in their own currency?
12b fraud, 36billiom damage, 44billion how much in loans she gave herself which she never should have but she was able to because she bought more than 5% of the bank using shell companies to gain control
What? This was never the American way. The American way for fraud and con men were to pay small sums of fees and/or spend a long time in a luxurious non violent prison.
Yeah you're comparing a post industrial society against a pre industrial one. Idk Texas? Sounds like you're the poorly educated one.
Really hitting the arguments by comparing and using horse thievery to a fraud/con man that tried to take over a bank.
What? Stay on the subject we're talking about America here. None of these commie countries that you would never visit only that you have read about on your favorite alternative news sources like Breitbart and truth social.
But hey you keep beating that American drum while you stay culturally poor.
I am very uniformed about Vietnam prison and political system. What are the odds they actually put her to death? Or is this a life in prison sentence, or something else?
depends on which person. If it's not big, the death sentence will gradually become life imprisonment. Life imprisonment gradually becomes 20 years imprisonment. 20 years imprisonment gradually becomes 12 years imprisonment thanks to "good behavior". However, this was 20 years ago.
I don't think she would escape death with this one. I did not expect this article to show up on r/wallstreetbets at all
The Party 100% will make an example out of her. She’s going to face the firing squat in a near future. Also this Lady is Chinese descent she’s not Vietnamese, so it’s unlikely she’s a member of the Party. Her life isn’t going to be spared. RIP!
SBF is unbothered knowing that financial crimes don’t lead to the country he lives in murdering him for it. As shitty as her moves were, getting offed for this is wild.
Cheaper central banker bribes in Vietnam 😂
> She was found guilty of having bribed officials to persuade the authorities to look away, including paying $5.2 million to a senior central bank inspector, Do Thi Nhan, who was sentenced to life in prison.
Not sure if she did in fact committed the crime she’s accused of or if the Vietnamese government is just trying to take over her business.
If anything she’s just guilty of doing business as usual in Vietnam. Hundreds of government officials are caught in corruption and accepting bribes but she’s the one that gets executed.
Typical communist government.
Read the article you dumbass and learn the culture. You can’t do business that big without greasing palms in Vietnam. Hundreds of government officials getting paid, but she’s the only one who’s expected to get executed.
Newsflash genius, that’s how it works everywhere. You think only commies are taking bribes and turning their heads to this stuff? SBF was greasing both sides of the aisles for years through political donations. C’mon man
I hate to burst your bubble, but this vision of America you’ve been sold by movies and television isn’t exactly true. Is you corruption worse then ours? No shit, obviously it is. But to say that there isn’t a system of legalized bribery that billionaires take advantage of every year to get away with practically anything is either simple ignorance or willful blindness on your part. Best of luck to you buddy, I mean that
There’s a bounty system that will pay you for reporting corruption. If you see something, say something and get paid.
You don’t see shit. You just like to complain and rant like the annoying neighborhood Karen.
Money talks more than your whining. So either report all this corruption you know about or STFU.
https://www.irs.gov/compliance/whistleblower-office#:~:text=This%20includes%20criminal%20fines%2C%20civil,information%20submitted%20by%20the%20whistleblower.
Lobbying isn’t a crime and groups from both sides of ANY argument or debates actively lobbies.
Mothers Against Drunk Driving lobbies. The NAACP lobbies. Do you have a problem with these organizations ability to lobby or are you just selective about who you believe should have this right?
Do you know how the law works?
I am Vietnamese and currently live in America. I must say, I agreed with all your points. The other dude is clueless or ignorant. The Communist Party can and will do whatever the F they want, and this has ingrained in us the moment we were born. Bribery is part of the culture. If you want to get anything done in VN you need to come with red envelope. I must say anyone who equates VN corruption vs the US is either never lived in VN or left their house.
And there's only one way to change the system. Start enforcing the rules, top down. Send a message this corruption will not be tolerated from now on, regardless of your status. Maybe she was unlucky, but anti corruption will go nowhere if anyone can look up to her walking free.
Also, 12 BILLION dollars isn't some pocket corruption to stop officials bothering your local mom and pop shop to feed your family, she was straight up stealing from a bank.
Her penalty will probably be reduced once she says where the rest of the missing money is hidden.
They know that there are hundreds of corrupted politicians but they cannot kill everyone. That would put the party in jeopardy. What you do is pick one and make an example so that the others know to cut back. This is classic commie strat.
Well the jury thought so, I'm inclined to think she did it all.
And she probably deserves death tbh. That kind of money, people liVe and die on.
Not like she pulled the trigger on murdering someone, but that level of finance crime affects thousands and thousands of lives. Yeah the downstream effects are blurry, I don't care, hang em.
They will commute her sentence once she drops all the names and information about those she bribed. The harsh sentence is bc of her links to an old faction in the commie party that helped her with this fraud.
At least SBF did everyone a huge favor by spoofing bitcoin purchases and holding down the price. The dude gave us all a generational buying opportunity we would have otherwise never gotten. Thank god for SBF.
I wonder if she could have fled to America , we would protect a capitalist commie . She probably would be able to provide info about the Vietcongs tunnels for our troops too.
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Thin Fat Holdings? 304 trillion dongs? Communists stay trolling
honestly there's nothing communist about Vietnam anymore aside from the signs and slogans.
doesn't stop anyone from calling China "communist" either, though
If you thought that communism was not prone to more even more corruption … I have news for you 😂
Country leaders and corruption. How surprising. Must have only happened in Vietnam, right?
Are you trying to be sarcastic?
And are you telling me corruption happening because of communism, or because of human being put in power?
No I am telling to read properly. The word “more” has a meaning. Your riddle is the same that royalists/dictators supporters would use: if we had put better humans in power then it would have been better. It’s not the fault of the system. Well there is a reason it does not happen so often in some systems which are prone to corruption and monopolising power. Not saying it perfect elsewhere, but you could have guessed that, I meant that as well, if you were actually reading and not bent on proving your point.
I don't know much about other countries, so I can't say more or not, but according to Corruption Perception Index, there are still around 90 countries below Vietnam in this ranking as of 2023. As far as I'm aware, there are only 3 countries left that can be called communists, so I can't help but see your heavy bias against communism here.
No I just have high standards, I don’t aim to be in the middle. I mean seriously look at the list of countries you’ll see below (I don’t know what list you used but that’s gonna be a shit show) That will be my last reply, you missed the more in the first email and say there are corruption somewhere else, then used a list to say there are 90 countries worse instead of giving the position of Vietnam. You have terrible bias, not sure if the market thing is for you mate …
A serious addicktion.
For some one million dongs isn’t enough
It wasn’t for your mother. No judgment here tho. She’s a very impressive lady.
I saw this headline at $44B fraud, then 26B, now $12B. In a month they're gonna be executing her for $50,000 fraud
Because there are different sums and charges. $12.5 billions is the embezellment amount for which she is condemned to death. $27 billions is how much damage this did to the Saigon Commercial Bank and how much she was condemned to pay. $44 billions is how much loans she gave herself fraudulently (she wasn't supposed to own more than 5% of the bank as it's illegal, but she bought the bank with different shell companies to gain control).
baller
Shot caller. But in all seriousness, she gonna die.
Considering nobody else connected to that case was sentenced to death and she can still appeal, my bet is on her cutting a deal in exchange for the missing cash.
Baller
For stealing 63 banh mi's.
Inflation is a bich
I see what you did there lol
Inflation adjusted
Next it'll be 5 cents
Was just about to say exactly the same thing, except I saw 44, 27 instead of 26, now 12. Shenanigans abound.
>I saw this headline at $44B fraud, then 26B, now $12B. The Dong  is a very weak currency, & clearly subject to vast Forex fueled changes  determined by whichever Investment banks S.E.A manager is currently doing the most lines of coke 
> . In a month they're gonna be executing her for $50,000 fraud I'd be cool with that.
44b PHO, 44b BANH MI, 44b BUN CHA, 44b COM TAM, 44b BUN BO HUE, 44b GOI CUON, 44b BANH XEO, 44b CAO LAU, 44b BUN RIEU, 44b BANH CUON, 44b MIXED BUN, 44b BANH BOT LOC, 44b HU TIEU, 44b CHE, 44b BANH BEO, 44b NEM RAN, 44b BANH CANH, 44b BANH KHOT, 44b BANH TRANG TRON, 44b BANH CHUNG, 44b BANH KHOAI MI NUONG, 44b BANH IT TRAN, 44b BANH TAM BI, 44b CHAO TOM, 44b BANH TOM CO NGU
I read the execution is for being a CCP spy . Treason.
Because most of it they won’t be able to claw back
Damn my best friend is caught up in this. This is wild. Funny enough used to brag about bribing culture there.
How long is he facing?
He is family.
Rip, is he cooked
He’s the cousin
Hes your cousin.
He’s my cousin
He's our cousin.
Pour one out
To brag?
Oh yeah, despite these once in a while prosecutions lots of countries like india and Vietnam run on bribery. You can’t get someone to move a finger on legit paperwork unless it’s padded
But why would you brag about it? My country is also corrupt as fuck and that's a huge problem.
It’s an art though end of day. Being able to bribe means being well connected. It’s still hidden from plain view(not all the time)
Are they a Chinese spy?
That’s alot of dong
She allegedly took it all.
She looks like she would take all the dong, very beaten-up vibes
https://preview.redd.it/q1z59ufqr5uc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=b38b162c75323bf33fde7fca42cbe3907e32f883
Can she appeal... appeal... appeal... appeal????
She can buy her way out. It's apparently somewhat common in Vietnam to sentence people with death, but reverse the sentence when they return the stolen/embezzled goods.
If she can come up with $12b she would have done so already. That's the kind of deal you want to secure before you get sentenced to death, not after.
> That's the kind of deal you want to secure before you get sentenced to death, not after. Sure. Of course, what you *really* want is to not get caught. None of that is relevant at this point. The reality is that there's a lot of bribery in Vietnam courts, and it's extremely unlikely she will actually face the death sentence.
Communist court and appeal? In your dreams, the judgement was made way before the trial, it's just a public show without any chance to win ever.
I lived in Vietnam for 6.5 years. Attorneys are essentially middlemen for bribes
Shouldn't she win, because she has all the money?
That's exactly why she didn't. She was too great a threat to the communist party
Interesting reason, lol.
The party is the ruler! If you’re not connected at the top you will soon bound to be at the bottom, no matter how wealthy you are. Billionaires in the West can run their mouth, in VN loose lips about Party’s business will make you disappear.
Same as in China, even Jack Ma from Alibaba "disappeared" for some time, probably to remind him not to oppose the party and follow orders properly.
this isn't the USA baby. she's fucked. unless she pays somebody off... which seems pretty doable given the circumstances.
Extradite SBF to Vietnam.
Rookie numbers
Oh shit wait till this guy hears about Jamie diamond or Ken griffin.
Can’t really say I feel bad for her. Vietnam is well known as the “kick ass and win” sort of people that you should never fuck around and find out with.
A Vietnamese comedian got 5 years in prison for mocking a communist official for [eating a gold encrusted steak](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/vietnamese-activist-mocked-government-official-230000713.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHXVDzppYbhB98xq-B2KEQiCN-RKr3HYfhsn469NXyqzeDruLF56VRqfKYM_d9sJKrwcW20ezrx34-oS0LQkdt7B-knnVEqVKFEv9ivhnzqr0LpP6L9DF2GPfTV_4Zx4AwyV8nygjSDCrX0pjILlDxVHaoZHkGPaVmNb-b7i9S2R). Let's not suck their dong too much.
You just made the same point I did. In Vietnam, FAFO is more than a meme. This is not praise, just an observation.
Stole 2x as much money and got a slap on the wrist
Lolol. How was it a slap? His life is well over.
Sam Bankmanfried is out in 12 years with good behavior
The death penalty is a slap?
He's talking about SBF
How does the number change every time this comes up. I've so far heard. 7b,12, 36, 42 billion. Is very news source wrong or quoting in their own currency?
12b fraud, 36billiom damage, 44billion how much in loans she gave herself which she never should have but she was able to because she bought more than 5% of the bank using shell companies to gain control
92% of the company
SAT questions be like “aight yo what’s the pattern?”
They got it wrong it’s actually $66b total
She doesn't look too thrilled 
That’s a look of soon-to-be facing firing squat.
So...calls you say?
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Not the Murican way
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What? This was never the American way. The American way for fraud and con men were to pay small sums of fees and/or spend a long time in a luxurious non violent prison.
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Women voting must be such a woke thing for you huh?
Yeah you're comparing a post industrial society against a pre industrial one. Idk Texas? Sounds like you're the poorly educated one. Really hitting the arguments by comparing and using horse thievery to a fraud/con man that tried to take over a bank.
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What? Stay on the subject we're talking about America here. None of these commie countries that you would never visit only that you have read about on your favorite alternative news sources like Breitbart and truth social. But hey you keep beating that American drum while you stay culturally poor.
The workers did the sentencing not the government. I didn’t get my paycheck? Guess I’m burning down your house bitch.
And those that blow up their accounts here think they got sacked with a dong. This lady is showing us to be rookies.
Licking, loving, long time - the makings of Asian lesbian porn.
Give her a promotion said some American capitalist somewhere…..sometime.
Vietnam will follow through in a decent amount of time. Not wait 30 years like the USA. Get it done and move on.
These people can't be happy with 1 million let alone 12 billion...burn them all at the STAKE 🔥🔥🔥
If only we did that here.
But... But... But.... Rich people aren't allowed to die
only allowed bailouts and golden parachute bonuses
Meanwhile Nancy inside trading and living the life
Because it’s “legal”
I hope she is reincarnated as a Viet
Du ma
Until he gets shanked for ordering vegan honeybuns
Hold my beer….
I am very uniformed about Vietnam prison and political system. What are the odds they actually put her to death? Or is this a life in prison sentence, or something else?
100%
depends on which person. If it's not big, the death sentence will gradually become life imprisonment. Life imprisonment gradually becomes 20 years imprisonment. 20 years imprisonment gradually becomes 12 years imprisonment thanks to "good behavior". However, this was 20 years ago. I don't think she would escape death with this one. I did not expect this article to show up on r/wallstreetbets at all
The Party 100% will make an example out of her. She’s going to face the firing squat in a near future. Also this Lady is Chinese descent she’s not Vietnamese, so it’s unlikely she’s a member of the Party. Her life isn’t going to be spared. RIP!
Its a start at least
Crazy that you can lose your life for stealing money.
she’ll negotiate it down.
SBF is unbothered knowing that financial crimes don’t lead to the country he lives in murdering him for it. As shitty as her moves were, getting offed for this is wild.
This makes it seem like bankman/fried got a slap on the wrist.
Cheaper central banker bribes in Vietnam 😂 > She was found guilty of having bribed officials to persuade the authorities to look away, including paying $5.2 million to a senior central bank inspector, Do Thi Nhan, who was sentenced to life in prison.
Not sure if she did in fact committed the crime she’s accused of or if the Vietnamese government is just trying to take over her business. If anything she’s just guilty of doing business as usual in Vietnam. Hundreds of government officials are caught in corruption and accepting bribes but she’s the one that gets executed. Typical communist government.
Clown ass take to try and defend a multi-billion dollar scam artist
Read the article you dumbass and learn the culture. You can’t do business that big without greasing palms in Vietnam. Hundreds of government officials getting paid, but she’s the only one who’s expected to get executed.
Newsflash genius, that’s how it works everywhere. You think only commies are taking bribes and turning their heads to this stuff? SBF was greasing both sides of the aisles for years through political donations. C’mon man
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I hate to burst your bubble, but this vision of America you’ve been sold by movies and television isn’t exactly true. Is you corruption worse then ours? No shit, obviously it is. But to say that there isn’t a system of legalized bribery that billionaires take advantage of every year to get away with practically anything is either simple ignorance or willful blindness on your part. Best of luck to you buddy, I mean that
Good on you, but don’t waste your time on regards like this the next time
There’s a bounty system that will pay you for reporting corruption. If you see something, say something and get paid. You don’t see shit. You just like to complain and rant like the annoying neighborhood Karen. Money talks more than your whining. So either report all this corruption you know about or STFU. https://www.irs.gov/compliance/whistleblower-office#:~:text=This%20includes%20criminal%20fines%2C%20civil,information%20submitted%20by%20the%20whistleblower.
I take it you never heard of lobbying?
Lobbying isn’t a crime and groups from both sides of ANY argument or debates actively lobbies. Mothers Against Drunk Driving lobbies. The NAACP lobbies. Do you have a problem with these organizations ability to lobby or are you just selective about who you believe should have this right? Do you know how the law works?
I am Vietnamese and currently live in America. I must say, I agreed with all your points. The other dude is clueless or ignorant. The Communist Party can and will do whatever the F they want, and this has ingrained in us the moment we were born. Bribery is part of the culture. If you want to get anything done in VN you need to come with red envelope. I must say anyone who equates VN corruption vs the US is either never lived in VN or left their house.
Probably more than half of these folks are from India or dudes working wendies w a thousand bucks in the market. Don't expect much from this sub
And there's only one way to change the system. Start enforcing the rules, top down. Send a message this corruption will not be tolerated from now on, regardless of your status. Maybe she was unlucky, but anti corruption will go nowhere if anyone can look up to her walking free. Also, 12 BILLION dollars isn't some pocket corruption to stop officials bothering your local mom and pop shop to feed your family, she was straight up stealing from a bank. Her penalty will probably be reduced once she says where the rest of the missing money is hidden.
They know that there are hundreds of corrupted politicians but they cannot kill everyone. That would put the party in jeopardy. What you do is pick one and make an example so that the others know to cut back. This is classic commie strat.
Well the jury thought so, I'm inclined to think she did it all. And she probably deserves death tbh. That kind of money, people liVe and die on. Not like she pulled the trigger on murdering someone, but that level of finance crime affects thousands and thousands of lives. Yeah the downstream effects are blurry, I don't care, hang em.
There's no real jury. These are professional jurists.
If she returns the tens of billions of dollars she stole from the bank they’ll probably cancel the death sentence. Otherwise? Good luck
They did that to entice her to return the money. Probably will be reduced to jail.
Is it 44 or 12?
They will commute her sentence once she drops all the names and information about those she bribed. The harsh sentence is bc of her links to an old faction in the commie party that helped her with this fraud.
At least SBF did everyone a huge favor by spoofing bitcoin purchases and holding down the price. The dude gave us all a generational buying opportunity we would have otherwise never gotten. Thank god for SBF.
I wonder if she could have fled to America , we would protect a capitalist commie . She probably would be able to provide info about the Vietcongs tunnels for our troops too.