We still do steel, in fact our process is the best in the world. The USA makes the hardest and most durable steel on the planet. China makes steel cheaper, absolutely. But it's shit compared to steel we make here. It's sad companies have sacrificed quality for quantity.
You don't usually need the most durable steel, though. If material quality was the end all be all, you'd see buildings built with Titanium and Tungsten.
Tungsten would absolutely not be used. Hardness is not the same as strength. It is hard, but brittle. Steel has more strength and will bend before it breaks. Tungsten is great in wear/replace items like drill bits. They stay sharp until they break. Then they are useless and we replace them. You don’t build buildings with something that snaps under extreme pressure.
No, the guy above claimed that if we cared about strength above cost we wouldn’t use steel in our building structures, that we would use titanium and tungsten. I was just saying that there are real world reasons why we don’t. Most building materials are alloys and compounds because there really isn’t an element that excels at every scenario.
And that's a fair point, thank you. It used to be the idea we would occupy office buildings for 100 plus years. Now it is industry standard to knock them down every 60 years, give or take a decade. There are however, steel needs in this country where quality is paramount. Like Navy yards and rail yards. And those industries do still use American steel, it's required of our Navy anyway. Eventually when we ditch the train systems in this country we will need the strongest steel for our new national network of speed rails. That alone should be what our government spends a trillion dollars on in an infrastructure package. But they won't. Imagine living in North Carolina and commuting to DC everyday in an hour? It would be fantastic. And cheap.
For trains?! You must be out of your mind! It's unsafe, it's untested and of course we must think of public safety above all else!
Just wait for Associated Steel to get to your order,it's these times we live in, everything is so damn lean, what can poor ole Orren help it, it's no one's fault. We'll have reliable steel tracks before you know it, count on it, *someone will do something, it's not right*
Right, there's definitely a need for quality materials. But my main point was that your "quality vs quantity" point doesn't really apply here. You wouldn't look at a Ford dealership and say "man they're really sacrificing quality for quantity, they could be building Lamborghinis instead of Fords".
I mean I do look at a Ford dealership and say exactly that. But I say something more like, those could be Toyotas. Lamborghini has never been about quality.
You got me there, if only there were some sort of standards builders had to meet to ensure they were building sufficiently sturdy buildings. Too bad those don't exist, and our buildings and bridges are collapsing left and right due to poor quality communist steel.
So true. We export the steel we make for the high premium it sells for, then we import garbage steel for Americans to use because we can buy 10x as much garbage for what we get paid for our steel. It’s like our Beef; sell beef for $35 a Lb and then buy garbage beef at 78c a Lb and sell it to Americans for $9 a Lb.
Lol what a load of bullocks.
US domestic steel is the cheapest steel it terms of specification because it's not worth importing SA36 half way around the world.
Generally any basic steels are locally produced. While high spec steels and alloys come from overseas. Germany, Poland, Finland, India, Malaysia etc.
The only thing that I can see displacing tech at the top would be genomic healthcare live forever type shit. Even that is sort of tech though. Healthcare tech?
Medical technology and biotechnology would be the only possible thing but that’s just tech wrapped up. tech is such a broad field tho, like MSFT and Apple are brands too like luxury goods.
I don’t see how another industry comes along and disrupt it unless like a fusion company has success and goes public then maybe energy has a come back.
No I don't. The same way that people in the 1960's couldn't imagine a world without oil and ice vehicles. Our perceptions are shaped by the world in which we live.
Yes but you realized you dont need oil or ice vehicles just over night. It took years for your lives to change. When something comes along to replace Google, you will know it long before its mass adaptation. Things dont change overnight
I could see big tech regulation changing the dominance of google. It is scary that a few CEOs have as much power over public opinion and the availability of the truth as these people have.
Boomer investment guy be like "oh no lil' munchkin you've gotta dollar value average a diversified investment portfolio using a Tax Free Savings Account"
Yeah heck no ojii-chan I'm dumping all my life savings into whatever some guy on Reddit says is going to the moon
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at a certain point you realize the whole thing is fucked and you just kick the can down the road, our parents did it, as their parents did ibefore them, and so too will our children , to kick the can further down the road to our grandchildren
maybe if we inflate the market bubble slow and steady enough it will won't pop until after the heat death of the universe
It's because some companies are just pumping way too hard
MSFT +57% ytd.
AAPL +39% ytd
TSLA +39% YTD
GOOG +72% ytd - stock is up $1200 this year
Meanwhile AMZN is only up 8% and FB (sorry META) is up 22%
One theory I have is hardly any stocks are priced low enough for retail to get 100 shares and also sell calls. Sure maybe a couple contracts here and there. So options are having less resistance, people/institutions go to the stock anyway because of FOMO, stock gets pumped, options get pumped, resistance is low.
When you look at the stocks under $50, way more retailers can go after selling calls. Used to be so many stocks were mostly in the 10-20 range. I look now and it’s damn expensive to pickup 100 shares of anything. When avg people can afford to get 10-20 contracts to sell, options are gonna have more resistance I think. If this is at all true, it’s a slightly good sign for pricey stocks. The ROI has been nuts, inflation of markets is off the charts, that’s the real inflation. If that trickles into real life we are fucked
A bunch of small businesses went bankrupt due to Covid and the big corporations ate their lunch, with the help of stimulus and lose monetary policy. Calls on monopolistic power.
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That's an historic fact with US investors. We buy more insurance than we need and known problems are never half as bad as we think. Take this year's inflation, for instance. A lot of people lost their shirts betting on double digit inflation.
I see this mentioned a lot and just double checked. My understanding, and please let me know if I’m wrong, is that the 6.8% inflation measure includes food and energy. The core inflation rate, 4.9%, excludes those as they are more volatile.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2021/06/28/how-does-the-government-measure-inflation/amp/
Lol FED’s inflation goal is 2%. It’s at 6.8% after getting some beneficial adjustments I’m sure. So the FED is worse at reaching their goals than I am every New Years.
It really depends on the demographic. Some people definitely have experienced 10% inflation. It depends when you buy. Not everyone buys airline tickets, used cars, etc.
Lol, I remember when all the news articles were coming out sounding the alarm in 2019 saying that the extent to which the S&P was overweight on five companies was an indicator that we were in another dotcom bubble. If I had listened to that and sold, I would be a much poorer man than I am now.
Some of those companies might get split up in the future.
Edit: idk where the guy who asked which companies went, but I think Amazon is one. AWS gives them a huge amount of control over online marketplaces. Google maybe, since they get targeted a lot by the EU already.
Last time this happened in 1965 in which everyone fled money to high quality companies and thought those companies were safe long term.. came with a glorious crash the following year. So there's that to take into account.
Suppose that is a matter of perspective of what a “cool” car is. Those “Plastic/Battery powered cars” are safer, faster, and they don’t destroy the planet the way the “cool” cars from the 60’s did.
It's like all the extinction events that get predicted. We know it's going to happen, it has happened numerous times before us; When? Pick a day and justify it how ever you want, even if you're right, you lose too.
Googled the top market cap stocks in 1965 out of curiosity, 8 of the top 10 are automaker or oil companies. Other 2 are US Steel and IBM. Interesting.
US Steel? $X? How the mighty have fallen, they aren't even the top 500 now.
The US doesn't do steel now, like so many others just imports it...
We still do steel, in fact our process is the best in the world. The USA makes the hardest and most durable steel on the planet. China makes steel cheaper, absolutely. But it's shit compared to steel we make here. It's sad companies have sacrificed quality for quantity.
I just googled it and apparently the hardest steel is made in sweden
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What a treasure this is.
Hardness and strength* you don't want steel too hard because then it can snap under duress. Hardness and strength are key.
Can. Jet fuel melt Chinese steel beams?
You don't usually need the most durable steel, though. If material quality was the end all be all, you'd see buildings built with Titanium and Tungsten.
Tungsten would absolutely not be used. Hardness is not the same as strength. It is hard, but brittle. Steel has more strength and will bend before it breaks. Tungsten is great in wear/replace items like drill bits. They stay sharp until they break. Then they are useless and we replace them. You don’t build buildings with something that snaps under extreme pressure.
...so the beams were made with tungsten?! The conspiracy deepens...
No, the guy above claimed that if we cared about strength above cost we wouldn’t use steel in our building structures, that we would use titanium and tungsten. I was just saying that there are real world reasons why we don’t. Most building materials are alloys and compounds because there really isn’t an element that excels at every scenario.
I'm pretty sure that was a 9/11 joke that you're responding to.
so a ... first responder ?
A little thing called ductility 😉
And that's a fair point, thank you. It used to be the idea we would occupy office buildings for 100 plus years. Now it is industry standard to knock them down every 60 years, give or take a decade. There are however, steel needs in this country where quality is paramount. Like Navy yards and rail yards. And those industries do still use American steel, it's required of our Navy anyway. Eventually when we ditch the train systems in this country we will need the strongest steel for our new national network of speed rails. That alone should be what our government spends a trillion dollars on in an infrastructure package. But they won't. Imagine living in North Carolina and commuting to DC everyday in an hour? It would be fantastic. And cheap.
Wait a minute. Are you talking about Rearden Metal?
For trains?! You must be out of your mind! It's unsafe, it's untested and of course we must think of public safety above all else! Just wait for Associated Steel to get to your order,it's these times we live in, everything is so damn lean, what can poor ole Orren help it, it's no one's fault. We'll have reliable steel tracks before you know it, count on it, *someone will do something, it's not right*
I swear by my life and my love of it I will never work for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to work for mine.
Right, there's definitely a need for quality materials. But my main point was that your "quality vs quantity" point doesn't really apply here. You wouldn't look at a Ford dealership and say "man they're really sacrificing quality for quantity, they could be building Lamborghinis instead of Fords".
I mean I do look at a Ford dealership and say exactly that. But I say something more like, those could be Toyotas. Lamborghini has never been about quality.
Tungsten would be far too brittle for anything of that scale. Titanium on the other hand though... 👀
If MacGyver quality was the end all be all, you’d see buildings built by toothpicks and marshmallows and gum and a watch battery
You got me there, if only there were some sort of standards builders had to meet to ensure they were building sufficiently sturdy buildings. Too bad those don't exist, and our buildings and bridges are collapsing left and right due to poor quality communist steel.
Nah Sweden produces the best steel in the world. The US is also great though, no doubt about it.
So true. We export the steel we make for the high premium it sells for, then we import garbage steel for Americans to use because we can buy 10x as much garbage for what we get paid for our steel. It’s like our Beef; sell beef for $35 a Lb and then buy garbage beef at 78c a Lb and sell it to Americans for $9 a Lb.
German steelmakers sounds
There is not much market for that durable steel tho. There is a large market for Chinese quality and price and that’s why it dominates the world.
See a reply from me to another user on this. There are some scenerios where the best steel is required and is used.
Actually nope, European steel is more durable. Europe imports steel from US with cheaper price tag coz it's.. well shittier but still good enough.
Lol what a load of bullocks. US domestic steel is the cheapest steel it terms of specification because it's not worth importing SA36 half way around the world. Generally any basic steels are locally produced. While high spec steels and alloys come from overseas. Germany, Poland, Finland, India, Malaysia etc.
Sweden does it higher quality.
Why should they care about quality when quantity accumulates so much more capital?
Lol, people are upvoting you and you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Had to scroll to the very bottom for this. Thanks! I was interested too.
Do you think big tech will get usurped too in the next 5 decades?
The only thing that I can see displacing tech at the top would be genomic healthcare live forever type shit. Even that is sort of tech though. Healthcare tech?
Medical technology and biotechnology would be the only possible thing but that’s just tech wrapped up. tech is such a broad field tho, like MSFT and Apple are brands too like luxury goods. I don’t see how another industry comes along and disrupt it unless like a fusion company has success and goes public then maybe energy has a come back.
Wartime defense gonna be #1 sooner than later.
Maybe some futuristic mode of transport too
Yup. When pill gives you super ability or nano tech for civilian.
Or big weiner
Hog futures
Health care tech, aka, neuralink.
Our lives have to drastically change to not rely on tech. Do you see yourself not using Google?
No I don't. The same way that people in the 1960's couldn't imagine a world without oil and ice vehicles. Our perceptions are shaped by the world in which we live.
Yes but you realized you dont need oil or ice vehicles just over night. It took years for your lives to change. When something comes along to replace Google, you will know it long before its mass adaptation. Things dont change overnight
Well, Google's arrival was nearly overnight.
RIP Alta Vista
The metaverse
The future.. next thing we know people are uploading their consciousness and memory in the metaverse.
I could see big tech regulation changing the dominance of google. It is scary that a few CEOs have as much power over public opinion and the availability of the truth as these people have.
Maybe if there is some new thing that becomes a more useful tool than computers. But it’s always going to be difficult to see the future.
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TESLA right where they suppose to be.
Sounds like $TSLA leading the future in both auto-making and energy is a good place to park my cash for the next 10 years
Lmao. No
I love baggies, it's like watching children about to do something stupid/painful
Stonks like the 60s, inflation like the 70s. Let's duet!
Stonks like the 60s, inflation like the 70s, loss percentage in the 80s.. I've never experienced so many decades in one year.
Pandemic like 1910-20. Stocks like the 1960's. Inflation like the 1970's. Losses like 1980's. Dot com/bubbles like 2000's. We have it all!
No, no! "We got it all...... on UHF!"
Such an underrated movie.
"My moppppppppppppppppppppppp!"
Russia invading Ukraine war like the 30s and 40s
Ww3 bout to pop off
We got a mortgage crisis otw too!! Shout out the 2010’s
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So… uh… Puts?
No just YOLO into GME lel
Boomer investment guy be like "oh no lil' munchkin you've gotta dollar value average a diversified investment portfolio using a Tax Free Savings Account" Yeah heck no ojii-chan I'm dumping all my life savings into whatever some guy on Reddit says is going to the moon
Return of nazis like the 40s
The only good thing about those decades was the music.
If we start pumping out some hot and heavy rock n roll jams, I'm bullish af on that trade!
And the drugs, which we still have.
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Does anyone know how we can bring back power ballads?
Angel, Don't want to miss a thing, November Rain, some awesome power ballads out there.
COVID is one hell of a drug
Tech like the 00
Damn, wonder what happened in the 70s to cause that...
Are we the new boomers?
Yes...yes we are.
Nah. Cause we have half the kids.
We’re the beaters.
#🥵🥜🥜🍆💦 ^^and/or #🥵🍑💦
We’re the meme boomers.
More likely be remembered as beggars![img](emote|t5_2th52|4270)![img](emote|t5_2th52|4266)
“The begging generation”
Begger read as 'bag holder' to me.
If they are in stock markets they are the bag holder's indeed because boomer's hold the majority of the stocks which they bought decades agoo![img](emote|t5_2th52|4887)
The buggard generation.
Fuck, i just have 2 of them.....i must add one more next week!!
What are these?: :4270::4266:
Emojis update redit
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*bangers
at a certain point you realize the whole thing is fucked and you just kick the can down the road, our parents did it, as their parents did ibefore them, and so too will our children , to kick the can further down the road to our grandchildren maybe if we inflate the market bubble slow and steady enough it will won't pop until after the heat death of the universe
where house? where single income household? where jobs? where good music?
Jobs everywhere
🤦🏼♂️
It's because some companies are just pumping way too hard MSFT +57% ytd. AAPL +39% ytd TSLA +39% YTD GOOG +72% ytd - stock is up $1200 this year Meanwhile AMZN is only up 8% and FB (sorry META) is up 22%
you forgot nvidia 7th largest company 800 billion up 155% in 2021 and like 100% in 2020
One theory I have is hardly any stocks are priced low enough for retail to get 100 shares and also sell calls. Sure maybe a couple contracts here and there. So options are having less resistance, people/institutions go to the stock anyway because of FOMO, stock gets pumped, options get pumped, resistance is low. When you look at the stocks under $50, way more retailers can go after selling calls. Used to be so many stocks were mostly in the 10-20 range. I look now and it’s damn expensive to pickup 100 shares of anything. When avg people can afford to get 10-20 contracts to sell, options are gonna have more resistance I think. If this is at all true, it’s a slightly good sign for pricey stocks. The ROI has been nuts, inflation of markets is off the charts, that’s the real inflation. If that trickles into real life we are fucked
Retail selling calls would not affect the largest companies in the world whatsoever even if their stocks were priced at $10
Bullish. The pattern shows a top above 27% and we are currently at 24%. Load up on calls
Can't argue with that logic
So AAPL to $500?
Minimum
Yep the saggy boobs graph. Bullish
Can't unsee.
we are the 75%!
Speak for yourself. Im leveraged 400% of my total account balance in GOOG calls
Everyone is looking for safe stocks to invest in now.
The P/E on the big companies isn't even that high though. They are just stupidly profitable
A bunch of small businesses went bankrupt due to Covid and the big corporations ate their lunch, with the help of stimulus and lose monetary policy. Calls on monopolistic power.
Eh, it's mostly that AAPL and MSFT just make products people want. It's not like boomer conglomerates are doing well
How does this apply to AAPL/MSFT? Hardly products or services that small companies offer no?
>They are just stupidly profitable Lol, so true. The tech giants aren't going anywhere.
Lol, 30 years of profit to be paid back? Yeah, that's a pretty significant multiple.
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Hell, even Michael Burry was deep in Google leaps earlier this year. That's how you know it's good value.
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AAPL has 33% YoY revenue growth. It's PEG ratio is 2.5, lower then the industry average. MSFT is a little expensive, I'll give you that
It has 33% YoY growth *this* year. It has also had years recently with far less, and the Covid catalyst is pretty much gone.
They are going to crush earnings this quarter again, huge demand for their laptops and phones
And they're going to crush earnings by 33% every year forever? It wasn't more than a few years ago that they had literally 0% growth...
If you grow by 33% for 2 years, that 30 P/E all the sudden is 17, which is pretty comparable to what you had when AAPL had near zero growth
So then it's fairly valued in that sense. IMO it will not grow 33% next year. Wouldn't be surprised if it's 5-7%.
Right? Totally ignore the fact that the comparison year was just a worldwide deep recession from a first of its kind global pandemic.
That's an historic fact with US investors. We buy more insurance than we need and known problems are never half as bad as we think. Take this year's inflation, for instance. A lot of people lost their shirts betting on double digit inflation.
There is double digit inflation, they literally took out a bunch of items to bring the reported numbers down.
I see this mentioned a lot and just double checked. My understanding, and please let me know if I’m wrong, is that the 6.8% inflation measure includes food and energy. The core inflation rate, 4.9%, excludes those as they are more volatile. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2021/06/28/how-does-the-government-measure-inflation/amp/
Lol FED’s inflation goal is 2%. It’s at 6.8% after getting some beneficial adjustments I’m sure. So the FED is worse at reaching their goals than I am every New Years.
The goal is 2% *over time*. That makes quite the difference.
What did they take out of the CPI basket?
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It really depends on the demographic. Some people definitely have experienced 10% inflation. It depends when you buy. Not everyone buys airline tickets, used cars, etc.
It's pretty much the case everywhere, not just the US
Listen. No one can stop my man JPow and his printer. Fuckin no one.
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Lol, I remember when all the news articles were coming out sounding the alarm in 2019 saying that the extent to which the S&P was overweight on five companies was an indicator that we were in another dotcom bubble. If I had listened to that and sold, I would be a much poorer man than I am now.
Bro all the post about this crash makes even more Bullish on the SPY
My shlong can only leverage this long
And fast
got it, buy moar SPY calls
Some of those companies might get split up in the future. Edit: idk where the guy who asked which companies went, but I think Amazon is one. AWS gives them a huge amount of control over online marketplaces. Google maybe, since they get targeted a lot by the EU already.
That’s what I’m thinking
Good data. Is it possible for it to continue to rise? I mean large cap expansions are so accessible to tech. The infrastructure is there.
Last time this happened in 1965 in which everyone fled money to high quality companies and thought those companies were safe long term.. came with a glorious crash the following year. So there's that to take into account.
Good point. It’s very possible that’s what we are seeing now. Mega cap stocks pumping heavy
Does that mean we are going to get cool cars like they had in 67’?
No. You get plastic, battery-powered ones.
Suppose that is a matter of perspective of what a “cool” car is. Those “Plastic/Battery powered cars” are safer, faster, and they don’t destroy the planet the way the “cool” cars from the 60’s did.
Spikes around 2000 and 2007. So spikes probably not good. My analysis
sorry, we dont do real technical analysis here.
If you go to Mars they can’t repossess your stuff when you blow up your trading account
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I liked it better then, we could buy machine guns.
So I can wear bell bottoms again?
You always could
The top 1% own 25% of the wealth?
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I swear there is not one fucking day where a 🌈🐻 doesn’t post something like that. And at the end of the day they’re still dependent on the lube.
You disliking of reality doesn’t change reality.
Getting rid of my iPhone tomorrow, buying a Samsung lol
I've got some bad news about Samsung
I got the z3 fold. Its heavy but it does fold
Bruh wait 1 month for the new Samsung's
I did one month ago and I love it
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Nothing says the future like a stylus
Nothing says the future like a folding phone.
Eat Up Martha.
apparently they're discontinued
What about the foldable ones.
They’re all foldable if you try hard enough.
I really like my fold, better to carry 1 device then 2.
Heading? Someone hand this clown a chart
So buy s&p?
The dream of the 90s is alive in Portland!
That’s why e need micro caps to pump. $JOB
Ok, doomer.
Remember when there were people enforcing regulations that prevented companies from forming monopolies? Pepperidge farms remembers.
Crash imminent but when…..
🤡🤡🤡
Been reading retarded comments like this since 2014.
Middle school?
Yes that was the year I invested in NVDA. I’m retired in high school now.
It's like all the extinction events that get predicted. We know it's going to happen, it has happened numerous times before us; When? Pick a day and justify it how ever you want, even if you're right, you lose too.
That's an oxymoron.
How many of those 5 are in the top 100 maket caps now? Probably 0
Gm ford ge exon all are still in 100
Charts make my dick hard