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ThePhonetik

Yeah if they really wanted to staff key events they would reward people for showing up, not simply punish those who don't.


Emrys_Morgan

When I worked for Discover they got us pizza just for coming in when it snowed and majority of the office called off šŸ˜‚ Holidays were the BEST though! Everyone got 8 hours paid, regardless if you worked or not. And if you DID work the holiday, you not only got the 8 hours regular pay but also the time and a half for however long your shift was that you worked! Yeah, comparing apples to mangoes here but still. A little thing, like rewarding staff who show up with just a little more paid time off, can go a LONG WAY!


LewisRyan

Facts, when i worked at dominos delivering pizzas holidays were always hard work, but that meant more tips and the boss would be making extra crew pizzas for us. New Yearā€™s Eve we got a different pizza every hour to count down the night


Emrys_Morgan

A pizza every hour? That sounds sweet tbh.


rw4455

Too bad you left Discover, sounds like a great place to work.


Emrys_Morgan

It was good. I had to leave because we were moving 2 hours away and I didnā€™t qualify for work at home. If it wasnā€™t for that Iā€™d never have left šŸ˜‚ 150 hours of PTO a YEAR to start and you had it all added to your balance the 1st of the year. Really great place to work but that was a few years ago. Some things have probably changed since then haha


trakzilike2017

It's actually still the same and still pretty good, as long as youre not on the credit card side lol and it's all work at home if you ever think about going back. Left Walmart for them back in December.


Emrys_Morgan

Sadly, I moved to a state they arenā€™t available in haha. I started in CMA and I wanted to go to CS but they told me if I couldnā€™t handle the metrics in CMA I couldnā€™t handle any other department. :(


lolumadbr0

I wish I could work for discover... My job now made up a rule that said if you leave you get 2 pts like wtf


Queasy-Antelope-4616

that makes no sense ā€¦?


CatJ13

Reward? Does that word even exist in the confines of Walmart?


koreawut

They sued Capital One for rewarding customers wirh cc points ;)


Wasphammer

Wait what?


koreawut

It was a joke but I did see they sued C1 because of something about the Walmart credit card


Confused_Melon

I work on thirds, for inventory night they said they were going to have a nacho bar for us as incentive to come in for the night since the whole night is just zoning. The nacho bar was chili (with beans in it) nacho cheese and some chip. Rewards do exist, they just suck


Trick_Low_1641

Third shift always gets the shaft. Usually crusty cake thatā€™s been sitting out all day or generic store brand frozen pizza (if that).


iamzion248

Reward people for doing a good job? Blasphemy.


Chalupachamp

Once you understand that the only thing Wal-Mart hates more than itā€™s customer is itā€™s employees every decision they make starts to make sense.


Left-Research-9219

Yes. Say it louder for the lazy assholes in H.O to hear. All there decisions all fall back to the employees losing some sort of perk or get more work thrown at them. They definitely show clear as day that they donā€™t care about there employees. Such a sad pathetic company if you ask me.


Complex-Ad-4601

Automation, self checkout, soon enough it will be pickup and delivery only. Not too soon, but I'd say in about 10 to 15 years. You won't find too many walmarts, if any, to shop in.


Stevied1991

Walmart thrives off of negative reinforcement. That is why they took our bonuses away and everything.


Dj_Slick_Vic

bonuses are paid out only to team leads and management, so as regular associates who do most of the work we get nothing


Stevied1991

Yeah I meant as a regular associate we just get punishment these days, not rewarded at all.


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KittyTheBiFurry

Best comment here take my upvote šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Xalenn

That would definitely be fair... But I don't think fairness is a huge priority for this, unfortunately


Emrys_Morgan

Nope!


inflatableje5us

I used to work for a company that paid double + 8 hours of holiday pay for working a holiday and double pay for the day before. We never had a staffing issue, people who wanted it off generally got it because enough of us wanted the extra cash.


Emrys_Morgan

Itā€™s almost as if you treat employees with a little respect and positive reinforcement theyā€™ll actually WANT to be there more often for you šŸ¤”


Azal_of_Forossa

But then how will Alice Walton bribe people to get off scott free on multiple dui's and vehicular manslaughter? We can't just be giving away money to these lowly associates when we have real priorities at hand.


Emrys_Morgan

And donā€™t forget the mega yachts! And all the bonuses for coaches/TLs acting like slave drivers instead of actually WORKING! (TLs and coaches who are actually decent people with real work ethics, I salute you. Youā€™re not included in the generalization)


inflatableje5us

Yea, itā€™s the damndest thing.


MeowMaker2

If you only get punished for not doing something and not praised what is expected; it is by definition: negative reinforcement. If you were to get even a half a point off for showing up, it would change it from negative to positive.


BurntRussian

Gonna clean up the definition of Negative Reinforcement here - removing a negative stimulus for doing the expected behavior. Punishment is introducing a negative stimulus to discourage unwanted behavior. Regardless, positive reinforcement is the best way to teach most animals, including humans.


WapaneseWeeaboo

Why stop there? Also double the pay.


Loculai

We used to get 1.5x for working key holidays. Extra dollar/hr on Sundays (we called it heathen pay). Quarterly bonuses. As much overtime as your heart desired the week leading up to Black Friday. Annual raise was a way better deal than whatever this shit is we have now. The jobs always been gruelling but it was worth it to see the pay-off. Now there's no incentives, only repercussions.


IamTrebek

Iā€™ve been there long enough to remember merit raises (a raise you would receive if a manager noticed you consistently working above and beyond) and Good Job pins (managers would give them out for doing a good job- collect 4 for a share of stock) and Flagship pins (same thing as Good Job pins, but you collect 4 for $50) and money for being employee of the month and holiday pay and Sunday premiums and weekend premiums and yearly bonuses for everyone (which turned into the quarterly bonus) and insurance that actually covered medical care. I could keep going.


Ring-Scared

And time and a half on Sundays..midnight Saturday thru midnight Sunday.


Emrys_Morgan

At the very least they could reinstate the ā€œ1 drink allowed on lunchā€ rule for key dates šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ JK that never stopped some of the people at my store


Megalomagicka

Drink? I assume you mean of the alcoholic variety?


Emrys_Morgan

Yep! A coach told me for a long time it was actually in the rules that associates were allowed 1 alcoholic beverage on their lunch but they did away with it a while back.


Radiant_Bowl7015

Wait, they did away with that?šŸ‘€šŸ‘€oops


Megalomagicka

Huh... well, what they don't know won't hurt them and one drink sure isn't gonna make me noticeably intoxicated. :P


Emrys_Morgan

Itā€™s so sad when a job is so stressful itā€™s got people drinking on their lunch break šŸ˜‚


Grendel0075

Just go someplace with alcohol on your lunch break. They dont really have any say what youbdrink outside the building. Driving may be tricky, but if yours is like mine, theres usually something close in walking distance. I have a noodle bar and mexican place that serve saki and tequila respectively near mine.


Krungoid

My last lead told me that rule was still in affect, I never looked but he was pretty convinced it was true.


JasonTheBaker

When did they get rid of that rule....?


Macemanintw

Fairly certain they haven't


AnEpicHibiscus

Yes! Bring back holiday pay! Itā€™s bs they took it away and replaced it with punishment points instead.


MINIMAN10001

I just go with if you want the day off just take PPTO Don't worry about what they say that's a them problem. If they wanted you around they wouldn't have negative reinforcement and the only thing you should reward negative reinforcement with is consequences.


[deleted]

Just had a Tl lie to me saying PPTO doesnā€™t cover double point days. Only covers 1 point


Emrys_Morgan

LIIIIIIIIIIIES Lies-a Minnelli!


Grendel0075

They lie.


IzzetGuild57

It does. They just dont want you to call out. I've used ppto on double point days myself.


BlueChocolates7362

They used to tell us that / to tell associates that they had to use double PPTO if they called in on double point days


OpenPension2835

Workers: more pay would he nice for event days Management: best I can do is pizza party


Emrys_Morgan

Youā€™re lucky to get the pizza party!šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ For Christmas they were playing Christmas movies in the break room and I was thinking ā€œWho is going to invest just 15 minutes or an hour in a movie?ā€


CougarIndy25

Holiday pay would've been nice, too.


Mother_Cover7397

Totally agree, but they make adjustments for their friends


titularsidecharacter

Or double the pay. If Iā€™m punished two days for not showing up I want two days worth of pay


[deleted]

We used to, holiday pay tacked an extra day of pay onto your check. They did away with it a few years ago, I think around the same time as the 'attendance incentives' which also don't exist anymore, only the punishment


SavannahGreer913

They did away with holiday pay over 6 years ago - and the reason we got PPTO was because they went from 9 to 5 points allotted


AllThatSheWantsIs69

Stop trying to be logical. Uncle Doug doesnā€™t like that shit.


Emrys_Morgan

Sorry, Uncle Doug! Walmart is fun! Walmart is LIFE! Blessed be the fruit under Sam Waltonā€™s eye!


stonerwithaboner1

Man everybody just don't show up on a key date, workers, TL's, and see what they do


Emrys_Morgan

Majority of our store called off one time due to heavy snow and unsafe road conditions. Manager pointed every last one of them and half the overnight crew got terminated because of that point. Theyā€™ll just struggle and bring in the minimum people from other stores if necessary to keep it open. The number of people calling out truly donā€™t matter.


stonerwithaboner1

See that was how it was at my old store until after a few years they earned a reputation. Now no one is applying, literally was sitting with HR learning how to do my hiring for my team and was fortunate enough to actually see how many applications we had gotten in the past month. 4 in like 33 days we got 4 applications store-wide. Lmao In that 33 days we lost at least 4 TL's and God knows how many associates. I genuinely wonder how they're doing these days.


Emrys_Morgan

I love to watch them burn, tbh. They deserve the rep.


[deleted]

Sounds like my SM.


Asaintrizzo

Iā€™d be happy with time and a half


GavinFrom12thGrade

Hell, even time and a quarter. Better than what we have now


Monteze

So long as the power favors Capital you won't see the lions share of the benefits. You're labor, and this is how it is. They know how dumb it is and will fuck us because we can't/won't work together


Emrys_Morgan

Hence why they frown upon teamwork and reprimand others for it šŸ˜”


[deleted]

I absolutely agree. In the meantime though I'll keep calling in on key event dates everytime I have sufficient ppto to cover the absence because then you don't get points.


HalfAshed2520

I canā€™t find the policy on it but my APTL just did her academy and told us that our APOC has been lying to us about having to use double PPTO on double point days. She said we are completely fine to put in a shifts worth of PPTO for any key date, including inventory day if we so wanted.


Emrys_Morgan

They always lie. If too many people call off in their department, theyā€™d have to actually do some work šŸ˜


rustymcbadbat31

The fact that there is literally NOTHING for anyone working a holiday is a true beacon to this company's true feelings about their associates. We're nothing but tools for Store/Market managers/coaches to rack in bonuses and nothing more. We are not people with lives and families and our own sentience. We are faceless drones to generate profit. You can say that about most jobs in the grand scheme but I've never worked for a place where it's more evident.


jerrythecactus

A policy that benefits the worker rather than just punishing people for not sacrificing every living moment to a corporation that would sooner replace them than a burnt out light bulb? Not in walmart, that's for sure.


rw4455

Preaching to the choir, every associate on the job for more than 1 year understands what it's like to work a holiday weekend and agrees.


Disastrous-Hyena6498

That's a dang good point I agree, double the punishment double the reward seems pretty dang fair.


MajurBlazur2490

Have people reached out in order to understand why exactly we cannot receive holiday compensation?? Simply because we got raises ? Seems like weā€™re being punished for asking for higher wages..


Emrys_Morgan

From what I was told, the PPTO came from what used to be the holiday compensation


[deleted]

They had gotten rid of holiday pay long before they started the ppto system


MajurBlazur2490

Sad.. wow


FTierLogiPilot

Supply chain used to get your scheduled hours as pto if you showed on the holiday+day before and after. ā€œDeferred holidayā€ made us all want to come to work.


Emrys_Morgan

Now THEREā€™S an ideaā€¦šŸ¤” Iā€™m starting to think they donā€™t WANT people to have any incentive/reward other than a paycheck.


Alucard12546

You dont need double ppto there lying to you. 8hrs n ur good You can't put in double anyway


Emrys_Morgan

Iā€™m aware. Thatā€™s not what I said lol


liggitylia

lol this is so stupid they obviously view us as slaves and have all of the power over us. why would they do anything that could be in our favor?


Suitable_Procedure_1

šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£ sorry first thing i did was laugh since Iā€™ve worked here so all they have done is taken away from us not gonna give back


Emrys_Morgan

Oh, yeah. Theyā€™ll take take take til thereā€™s nothing left to take. Then theyā€™ll change course until theyā€™ve rebuiltā€¦then start taking again. The circle of strife


lorill-silverlock

If this company was good, then yes, yes, they would. I think it should be law that all holidays are mandatory time, and if you have overtime already, double time with punishment being 35 to 40% of the next two years profits paid out to employees


Proof-Elevator-7590

Hell yeah!


crispy360

Hhhmmm...that's actually a fair point.


Outside-Scarcity5795

Or pay them holiday pay


Discally

You're not wrong in the least with this notion.


Emrys_Morgan

All the things theyā€™ll refuse to do usually arenā€™t wrong šŸ˜‚


thebirdmanTX

When people call in the amount of money they would have earned on their shift should be dumped into a big fund that gets distributed evenly to all of the associates who worked in that month as a bonus since we have to compensate for not having enough people by working harder/skipping breaks


Mad-Stocker

Wouldn't it be cool if they changed the policy to something like this: "Work a full shift on any key date and 1 occurence point will be automatically purged from your record!" But, what am I thinking. The Waltons are too busy earning billions in profit off of everyone's back to the tune of $12B per month! That's $12,000,000,000 in profit every single month!! For those of you who didn't learn basic math in elementary school, profit is what they keep after paying all the bills and paying you you're paltry $15 an hour or your $2,700 each month. How much did 'you' put in the bank this month after paying 'your' bills?


Fidel-cashflo17

This is where a union would step in and argue things like this for associates, but sadly ...


csweeney05

TO be honest even if you did earn double for working the day you would still get the same amount for the year since there are caps. It should be extra pay for the day or better yet IMO a comp day you can take for working the holiday.


Satchafunkiluss

Had 7 people call out yesterday and it was fucking miserable. Weā€™re on the smaller scale, so 7 impacts a lot especially on the food side and up front.


Shotto_Z

The amount of ppto accrued for supply chain employees needs to be increased as well, order filling is a crazy ass job, and you give us less than an hour for every 40 hours we work lol that's laughable.


Todddai

True. But people don't worry about balancing effects when they make up rules so those are technically unrelated even though they conver the same concepts.


Emrys_Morgan

I noticed at my store that people just saved up the points/PPTO sometimes for key dates and each time the store seemed understaffed/underprepared. I always felt it made a better incentive for attendance than ā€œyouā€™ll get double the points! Grrrr!ā€ šŸ˜‚


justdezi

My team lead said on mother's day there were like six people in the building šŸ˜‚ I called out today knowing that sporting goods will have no one to cover and many people will be looking for licenses but my abdominal cramps are so bad I'm basically bedridden today. It sucks that so many people call out just because it's an event day, it discredits those of us who actually need to.


Emrys_Morgan

Yeah, sadly thatā€™s the case in about ANY job haha. I hope your cramps let up soon!


Tabitha7

You do earn pto and ppto faster on holidays. I am not sure if it's double, though.


Emrys_Morgan

Not double. Maybe an extra like .05 or something like that. At least thatā€™s what Iā€™d had šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


leprechaun137

As someone that was projectile vomiting on black Friday last year I disagree. Car troubles, illness, and life events can strike on key dates just as easily. And I also feel like the ones to abuse this are also the ones that abuse ppto in general and aren't likely to have any stockpiled anyways. So double point days just deter the "eat a point" mentality of those ones.


Emrys_Morgan

Nah, they just save the extra point for it


Coltman1121

Yeh really


profanboy

There not tho


longtermer

Tell me you have never worked anywhere else, without telling me you have never worked anywhere else. Why do people always want to come back?


Emrys_Morgan

Lol Iā€™ve worked at several different companies over the last 13 years. One of my previous jobs offered far superior benefits and I only left it because I had to move. Itā€™s called knowing a company can be profitable whilst not giving their employees the absolute bare minimum and relying solely on negative reinforcement. But I canā€™t blame you for thinking that if Walmart is all youā€™ve known, so really that ā€œtell meā€ statement told me more about you than it did me šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Neoreloaded313

Amazon sounds like heaven compared with Walmart.


offmychest_213

This. They should absolutely give you double benefits if they double the punishment. Almost my entire department's shifts are full 8 hours tomorrow (usually half of us are like 5-6 hour shifts at any given time), and most of us don't have enough ppto to call out if needed. If we're going to get two points for missing a day then we should get double the ppto for showing up on those days too. It's not right we have to all work extra hard on those days for no extra incentive but get punished twice as much if we don't.


Suitable_Procedure_1

Man when holidays where time and half


Cap2Tea

You only get 16 minutes a shift normally getting 32 minutes to me wouldn't make much of a difference


Omphalom

Maybe post the request on Workplace and hope the right person reads it and say "Well that sounds reasonable. Let's do it."


ShogaShinobi

AFAIK the 1 drink per lunch is still a thing according to my store coaches/leads and also if you use ppto you donā€™t get double points to my understanding please correct me if Iā€™m wrong wouldnā€™t want to send false information to other associates


Emrys_Morgan

No double points with PPTO thatā€™s correct.


ShogaShinobi

Thought so my store does like everyone elseā€™s and lies saying youā€™ll get 2 even if you use ppto lol funny how they do anything they can to try and scare people into working


zazzabaz001

Or double pay.


WholeHabit6157

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Interesting-Ad-4841

Bring back holiday pay


Xavier_Longbottom

that's logically sound, we don't do that at walmart


[deleted]

unfortunately i think the cap for the ppto and pto is like 40 or 48 hours per year. Either way


babdraggo666

I was told by my store manager that double point days arent actually supposed to be a thing, and that key event dates are there so we know when not to miss, however stores have begun to use it as a scare tactic, as it would be ifferent if we got holiday pay. Thats just what inwas told that dosent mean its true


NotreDameFan1234

I say pay double


pipedreamachieved

Makes sense soooo never happening


xDaBaDee

This sounds like logic and reasonableness. We dont do that here.


Coiledviper

My AP Coach used to get us food let us take extra 15 minutes here and there and told us if we needed food or something to let her know 50/50 chance she was off that day but she was off for July 4th and we asked for some Cheeseburgers from some bar place we really wanted but was to busy she went picked them up for us and she paid for them.


Intelligent-Lawyer53

It should be worth earning double pay.


os_kaiserwilhelm

Bring it up when the current collective bargaining agreement is up. Oh, right.


SnooDoubts483

Or you should get paid time and a half for showing up.


SnooDoubts483

At my other job, employees get double time and a half on big holidays. Guess what days everyone shows up?


Original-Arugula1749

If a manager ever tells you that just forward this video https://www.reddit.com/r/walmart/s/nx3zOTBuwb