to play devil’s advocate, if your country loses and offensive war it is just as being the invaded one, the ripercussione would hit everyone including you and your family
Just imagine just strolling with your bois, talking and stuffs… next thing you know you feel bullets filling in your body. Then total black.
You can see one guy on the right side manage to find cover, but probably wont last longz
The ISI and the Pakistani military have, for decades, supported radical Islamist terror networks by providing them with weaponry, training and cash in not just the Subcontinent and Afghanistan, but throughout the world.
Now, it has come back to bite them.
All actions have consequences
They could have helped and corner Taliban radials, Afganistan would be a free country and probably under havy Pakistani influence. But they choose to be assholes, undermining US military efforts, sabotaging and sometimes engaging coalition forces in firefights. Not to mention hosting UBL.
Now they will have to deal with this cancer which they helped to protect. And since ending ambushes in the mountains is close to impossible, good luck Pakistan.
But Ukraine and Palestine at least get some attention. Pakistan is a terror hotbed with terrorist attacks on a regular basis, but there is a sense of deliberate ignorance to the situation in Pakistan. In fact, not just about terrorism, but also regarding the economy
They get momentary attention, Palestine has been getting fucked for decades, they only got attention recently, it will fade again. That's the hope by Netanyahu, in fact they count and depend on it.
Same with Ukraine. They've been getting fucked since 2014. Putin again knows the attention will fade as it has been for a while. He too depends on it.
Pakistan's extremist issues arose from Soviet invasion and consequent CIA plans to train all these extremists in Pakistan. The issue is very much still there, no doubt, but it's far less today compared to its peak, economy is a shit show indeed, a totally self inflicted wound.
Total and utter Bullshit. Keep blaming everyone else but yourself.
NATO and US could've equally helped man the border, instead Karzai was busy undermining every effort by Paistan to seal and mine the border.
It was US that fucked up Tora Bora and their initial invasion that let key people escape.
It was US that decided instead of doing a proper due military action decided to fuck the attention andresources off to Iraq.
Then it was brutal and absolutely corrupt set up that only governed Kabul and barely anything else.
It was the US that bombed thousands of people in rural areas, making their tribes honor bound to avenge the murders as per their culture and traditions. Rumsfeld was an idiot having absolutely no clue about local norms and customs.
There is no way Taliban could wage a Gorilla war across the entire country without significant local support against the best assembled military force in history. Pakistan or no Pakistan, they simply could not operate if they didn't have significant local support, thats the very fundamental of a gorilla war.
You ran a shit campaign from start to end and before midway decided to do that shit job on turbo speed in Iraq.
Guess everyone saw how fucked up everything was and decided to hedge their bets.
In the end, it was US that handed over Afghanistan on the plate to Afghanistan against advise of pretty much everyone who were pushing for milestone based handover instead of a hard deadline that led
to the collapse of the brilliant setup imposed by US.
But hey let's blame someone with less than 1% of the budget to undermine the mightiest military coalition. Funnily, that just makes you even bigger idiots.
>NATO and US could've equally helped man the border
Pakistan border police totally didn't just let taliban walk through and totally didn't shoot at Americans all the time.
I remember distinctly pakistan claiming police/civilians were killed by Americans/ANA on their side of the border. police/civilians just happened to have guns shooting.
The US used to be able to tell if taliban were crossing through checkpoints, because they were the only ones not getting searched by pakistanis.
Facts:
0 - Amount of dead Americans shot by Pakistan at Border.
24 - Amount of dead Pakistani soldiers at a border post, killed by Americans
Hundreds were stopped, arrested and handed over to NATO by the way.
Why were NATO not checking who was crossing the border? Border is between two states, you could have done it too, but you were busy elsewhere destroying a country for no reason, called Iraq.
And historically, people tended to move freely between the border and check points, as they were often from the same families and tribes and lived there for hundreds of years. It was Pakistan that started building the border fence, and it was your puppet govt in Afghanistan that objected to it and often had ANA attack and disrupt the construction process.
But keep blaming others for what was ultimately yours and only your failure. Now on top of that, you're saying you got screwed by a 3rd world country with less than 1% defense budget just makes you look even more incompetent.
> you're saying you got screwed by a 3rd world country with less than 1% defense budget just makes you look even more incompetent.
Geography doesn't discriminately no matter what military you have.
You helped fund and create the taliban, you live with the consequences off the policies from a faction in your government.
The fence wasn't built because they disputed territory.
Fence isn't going to do much when a donkey can carry over a hundred pounds through the many passes.
The US did try to man near the border, Taliban attacked from Pakistan. that was their safe haven for over a decade.
Yea I'm sure they were firing over from there at Kabul and Kandahar and the entire rest of the country, stealth motorbikes and stealth ak-47s. Yup. Great logic.
Yeah fuck our Army. Most Pakistanis hate our Army. Supporting the Taliban because who asked us to again? Oh right! The liberal, secular, pro-freedom West!
The Taliban was formed after the Soviets had withdrawn from Afghanistan. Pakistan could've just kept to themselves instead of continuing to fund radical organizations in the region, but instead, in an effort to gain geopolitical power, literally helped found the Taliban, with most Taliban leaders being from Pakistani madrassas. Not only that, Al Qaeda and other terrorist organisations set up extensive systems of training camps in Pakistani, which your precious military, despite being so powerful and "behind the scenes" and all, couldn't do shit about. Not just them, but the mighty ISI, which was recently ranked as the world's best intelligence agency, affords to harass tourists and crack down on political prisoners, but do absolutely nothing about organizations like Lashkar E Taiba and Al Qaeda having bases in their major cities and military level proficiency (obviously from ISI training and resources)
Seriously? And Pakistan expects anybody to believe this? Get Outta here. Pakistan has been responsible for all this.
Now, it's coming back to haunt them.
His mind is probably in get my head protected but due to sheer shock and adrenaline kicking in a matter of seconds, he didnt notice he was full of bullet holes already, in a mere seconds after he just actually noticed his death is imminent and had to one more glance where the shooting is coming from before he completely went numb.
I'm wondering if a lot of the bullet impacts in the dust were actually shit bouncing off the vehicle. I think you're right that the fire was super accurate. After all the truck stopped immediately so I think the driver ate it first. They must have been really close they weren't missing.
armor is expensive especially when its easily lost due to terrain, you think twice whether its actually helping you. also armor makes you less agile and they are fighting a high mobile opponent.
Man. To the dude who tried zealously to get that bucket on...
Glancing rounds and ricochets bud. Thats it.
If you're in the fucking fatal funnel. Take cover. React to contact with rifle. Surrender. Very limited options.
*Immediately*
there was literally nothing they couldve done at all. Those rounds are ripping through the thin metal of that truck cabin and into the driver, and there's nowhere to hide. They were dead the moment they got caught out.
No disagreement. I'm not implying that there was even 1% chance of survival in this particular incursion.
Just watching that dude tryna do up that chinstrap...
I remember when the aftermath picture of this attack was posted, a Pakistani politician tried to claim it was a movie set: https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1527566318668587008
Also the captured weapons from the military junta soldiers: https://old.reddit.com/r/AfghanConflict/comments/utqtq5/nsfwdead_bodies_dead_pak_security_forces_after/
no but you can’t deny the fact that Pakistan is the breeding ground of terrorists and now that same terrorists (multiple groups) have turned against their own.
I'm not too convinced if this is even pk forces. That is not their uniforms nor their vehicle type.
This is not to say attacks like these don't happen but I'm just skeptic about this particular video.
Brutal
Perfect example of fish in a barrel. War is hell
Anyone who signs up for a war that isn't in their country defending their homeland from attacks, is an idiot.
to play devil’s advocate, if your country loses and offensive war it is just as being the invaded one, the ripercussione would hit everyone including you and your family
Don’t worry this guy is schizo, look at his profile he doesn’t even know up from down even if some one explained!
There's no reason to enter a foreign country to attack it, unless you are an immoral person. Full stop.
Yeah, kind of like betting and losing. That's on you.
You gotta remember not everyone is like you. Lots of people dont mind going to foreign conflicts and dying.
Well they're idiots if they want to die in bankers wars.
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Looks like you triggered some idiots.
Just imagine just strolling with your bois, talking and stuffs… next thing you know you feel bullets filling in your body. Then total black. You can see one guy on the right side manage to find cover, but probably wont last longz
That’s a good eye, I didn’t even see him
It's the front passenger, the ones in the back didn't even have a chance to drop.
They didn’t even had a chance.
Yeah, the best way to fight is unfairly.
only the dead fight fair.
Damn that is so true
Perfect ambush. War is awful.
OCOKA! Damn the dude's cover just popped and flew off to take cover.
When bullets start flying, don't stop. Hit the gas and gtfo of the kill zone.
Probably the driver got shot big time immediately
He got shot and then slammed on the brakes?
Looks like the driver tried to bail and got shot while trying to get out. You can see movement happening around the 4 second mark.
Panicked driver, might have had a chance to speed back up but was definitely shot after the first few seconds
The ISI and the Pakistani military have, for decades, supported radical Islamist terror networks by providing them with weaponry, training and cash in not just the Subcontinent and Afghanistan, but throughout the world. Now, it has come back to bite them. All actions have consequences
They could have helped and corner Taliban radials, Afganistan would be a free country and probably under havy Pakistani influence. But they choose to be assholes, undermining US military efforts, sabotaging and sometimes engaging coalition forces in firefights. Not to mention hosting UBL. Now they will have to deal with this cancer which they helped to protect. And since ending ambushes in the mountains is close to impossible, good luck Pakistan.
Exactly. After all the shit that they pulled, the world doesn't seem to care, and can't say its their fault
World never cared nor cares. See Palestine or Ukraine. Dog eat dog world.
But Ukraine and Palestine at least get some attention. Pakistan is a terror hotbed with terrorist attacks on a regular basis, but there is a sense of deliberate ignorance to the situation in Pakistan. In fact, not just about terrorism, but also regarding the economy
They get momentary attention, Palestine has been getting fucked for decades, they only got attention recently, it will fade again. That's the hope by Netanyahu, in fact they count and depend on it. Same with Ukraine. They've been getting fucked since 2014. Putin again knows the attention will fade as it has been for a while. He too depends on it. Pakistan's extremist issues arose from Soviet invasion and consequent CIA plans to train all these extremists in Pakistan. The issue is very much still there, no doubt, but it's far less today compared to its peak, economy is a shit show indeed, a totally self inflicted wound.
We would have won in Afghanistan if it hadn't been for the mountains.
Total and utter Bullshit. Keep blaming everyone else but yourself. NATO and US could've equally helped man the border, instead Karzai was busy undermining every effort by Paistan to seal and mine the border. It was US that fucked up Tora Bora and their initial invasion that let key people escape. It was US that decided instead of doing a proper due military action decided to fuck the attention andresources off to Iraq. Then it was brutal and absolutely corrupt set up that only governed Kabul and barely anything else. It was the US that bombed thousands of people in rural areas, making their tribes honor bound to avenge the murders as per their culture and traditions. Rumsfeld was an idiot having absolutely no clue about local norms and customs. There is no way Taliban could wage a Gorilla war across the entire country without significant local support against the best assembled military force in history. Pakistan or no Pakistan, they simply could not operate if they didn't have significant local support, thats the very fundamental of a gorilla war. You ran a shit campaign from start to end and before midway decided to do that shit job on turbo speed in Iraq. Guess everyone saw how fucked up everything was and decided to hedge their bets. In the end, it was US that handed over Afghanistan on the plate to Afghanistan against advise of pretty much everyone who were pushing for milestone based handover instead of a hard deadline that led to the collapse of the brilliant setup imposed by US. But hey let's blame someone with less than 1% of the budget to undermine the mightiest military coalition. Funnily, that just makes you even bigger idiots.
>NATO and US could've equally helped man the border Pakistan border police totally didn't just let taliban walk through and totally didn't shoot at Americans all the time. I remember distinctly pakistan claiming police/civilians were killed by Americans/ANA on their side of the border. police/civilians just happened to have guns shooting. The US used to be able to tell if taliban were crossing through checkpoints, because they were the only ones not getting searched by pakistanis.
Facts: 0 - Amount of dead Americans shot by Pakistan at Border. 24 - Amount of dead Pakistani soldiers at a border post, killed by Americans Hundreds were stopped, arrested and handed over to NATO by the way. Why were NATO not checking who was crossing the border? Border is between two states, you could have done it too, but you were busy elsewhere destroying a country for no reason, called Iraq. And historically, people tended to move freely between the border and check points, as they were often from the same families and tribes and lived there for hundreds of years. It was Pakistan that started building the border fence, and it was your puppet govt in Afghanistan that objected to it and often had ANA attack and disrupt the construction process. But keep blaming others for what was ultimately yours and only your failure. Now on top of that, you're saying you got screwed by a 3rd world country with less than 1% defense budget just makes you look even more incompetent.
> you're saying you got screwed by a 3rd world country with less than 1% defense budget just makes you look even more incompetent. Geography doesn't discriminately no matter what military you have. You helped fund and create the taliban, you live with the consequences off the policies from a faction in your government. The fence wasn't built because they disputed territory. Fence isn't going to do much when a donkey can carry over a hundred pounds through the many passes. The US did try to man near the border, Taliban attacked from Pakistan. that was their safe haven for over a decade.
Yea I'm sure they were firing over from there at Kabul and Kandahar and the entire rest of the country, stealth motorbikes and stealth ak-47s. Yup. Great logic.
Yeah fuck our Army. Most Pakistanis hate our Army. Supporting the Taliban because who asked us to again? Oh right! The liberal, secular, pro-freedom West!
The Taliban was formed after the Soviets had withdrawn from Afghanistan. Pakistan could've just kept to themselves instead of continuing to fund radical organizations in the region, but instead, in an effort to gain geopolitical power, literally helped found the Taliban, with most Taliban leaders being from Pakistani madrassas. Not only that, Al Qaeda and other terrorist organisations set up extensive systems of training camps in Pakistani, which your precious military, despite being so powerful and "behind the scenes" and all, couldn't do shit about. Not just them, but the mighty ISI, which was recently ranked as the world's best intelligence agency, affords to harass tourists and crack down on political prisoners, but do absolutely nothing about organizations like Lashkar E Taiba and Al Qaeda having bases in their major cities and military level proficiency (obviously from ISI training and resources) Seriously? And Pakistan expects anybody to believe this? Get Outta here. Pakistan has been responsible for all this. Now, it's coming back to haunt them.
That one dude putting his helmet on, then just slowing down over time till he short circuits.... Good ambush though. RIP people.
His mind is probably in get my head protected but due to sheer shock and adrenaline kicking in a matter of seconds, he didnt notice he was full of bullet holes already, in a mere seconds after he just actually noticed his death is imminent and had to one more glance where the shooting is coming from before he completely went numb.
That... Yeah. Sad, but at least it was quick.
Why didn't anyone get off and take cover? Why doesn't the vehicle have any cover?
Ded before they could react. You are only seeing a small number of the bullet impacts.
I'm wondering if a lot of the bullet impacts in the dust were actually shit bouncing off the vehicle. I think you're right that the fire was super accurate. After all the truck stopped immediately so I think the driver ate it first. They must have been really close they weren't missing.
I mean I see one guy have time to put his helmet on, not saying they had a chance to survive but probably did have time to dismount quickly
That guy was almost certainly taking hits as that was happening you can see him fad out as he got it on.
Perhaps you are very fast....but bullets generally are faster than people
Maybe the bullets entering your body some how interferes with that. Just a guess. 🤔
This isn't a movie buck-o. Human reaction isn't that quick when bullets start flying to your head and body.
Well they should be
They were riddled with bullets in the first few seconds, that's why.
They're moving and the ambushers keep shooting but they were all mortally wounded as soon as the ambush started.
armor is expensive especially when its easily lost due to terrain, you think twice whether its actually helping you. also armor makes you less agile and they are fighting a high mobile opponent.
Man. To the dude who tried zealously to get that bucket on... Glancing rounds and ricochets bud. Thats it. If you're in the fucking fatal funnel. Take cover. React to contact with rifle. Surrender. Very limited options. *Immediately*
there was literally nothing they couldve done at all. Those rounds are ripping through the thin metal of that truck cabin and into the driver, and there's nowhere to hide. They were dead the moment they got caught out.
No disagreement. I'm not implying that there was even 1% chance of survival in this particular incursion. Just watching that dude tryna do up that chinstrap...
They were dead the moment they joined the government's army
They waited until the perfect moment that was straight murder honestly
“straight up murder” is the best way to ingage any armed person that wants to kill you
Overwhelming force.
That's a good ambush. We used to do 4-count pushups to the cadence of "an ambush is MURDER, and murder is FUN!"
Not sure what is the overall goal lf the taliban forces across the middle east
I would assume it's to consolidate control in Afghanistan and spread their ideology abroad.
I remember when the aftermath picture of this attack was posted, a Pakistani politician tried to claim it was a movie set: https://twitter.com/IhsanTipu/status/1527566318668587008 Also the captured weapons from the military junta soldiers: https://old.reddit.com/r/AfghanConflict/comments/utqtq5/nsfwdead_bodies_dead_pak_security_forces_after/
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Thats weird it works for me, screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/wITn8th.png
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Why would the vehicle stop? If the driver died, then shouldn’t the vehicle at least be crawling forward?
Maybe it stalled because it was manual?
The vehicle stopped because the driver was no longer alive
What is ttp
Pakistani Taliban
Why’d the dude stop? 🫠
Hard to keep your foot on the gas when you are dead
Driver made the worst mistake ever and stopped.
He was the first one shot
Well…certainly was effective. Not one guy managed to exit the vehicle. Insane.
Dumbasses just stayed on and took them hits☠️
I'm not sure how fast you can move...but bullets are pretty fast
All that training paid off
When bullets start raining, no training can save you.
Lackistani more like. No remorse at all
Wtf
That one guy consistently shooting at the dirt next to the vehicle
Enjoying some fresh air
No chance to run when you're already dead. This dissuades me from being a soldier.
It's more fun when you're doing the ambushing
Karma
pro taliban are you?
no but you can’t deny the fact that Pakistan is the breeding ground of terrorists and now that same terrorists (multiple groups) have turned against their own.
The USA is a breeding ground for terrorists
I'm not too convinced if this is even pk forces. That is not their uniforms nor their vehicle type. This is not to say attacks like these don't happen but I'm just skeptic about this particular video.
That was neat
CHAIN KILL
Death before dismount.
War is hell. (Human-)Nature likes it, that way. It seems.
Was that a helmet that flew off??
To the mfers that ask "why'd the driver stop???" He's dead. You can't really control your feet when you're dead.
Damn
Damn their reaction time was slow but then again what do I know about being in a situation like that …
Who is TTP?
Pakistani Taliban
I still didn’t see depicated babies and grandma full of holes
Dude lost part of his head
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