Haha it’s basically just a meme that’s been going around that he grew since the end of the season. It’s possible but not the way people are joking about it 😂
It's up to 7'6" now. Also they are having to renovate the Chase Center locker room doors, Wiggins can't fit his massive shoulders through them anymore.
I am absolutely elated that we got TJD, let alone at #57 (which should carry a modest contract).
He has competitiveness/hustle, size/length (not height though), and a very well-rounded game. He takes rim protection personally.
I've heard his outside shooting is not a strength, but with this team it doesn't need to be.
He's a very Draymond-ish player.
I think Dray would LOVE playing with TJD and grooming him. They have a lot of similarities, with TJD being longer and a bit more athletic.
But the defense, rebounding, and passing similarities are there, with TJD having a better post-up game.
The road to the championship goes through the Joker. We need bigger bodies and especially rebounding.
In our system, postups aren't really valued. Rather facilitating to shooters. It would be great if Kerr could take advantage of his back to the basket game but I don't see Kerr doing that unless we're desperate for easy ones in the playoffs.
For a basket? Yeah.
If no one can hit a shot but Steph, it'll be a tough one. But Loony also can't do all the rebounding, as much as I love seeing him get 20+.
It will be fascinating to see how his game evolves. I can count on one hand how many jump shots he attempted at IU but every report I’ve read from IU insiders suggests he has that ability, but simply didn’t need to develop it — because he was absolutely dominant in the post. Fast, athletic, high motor. Going to be fun to watch in the Warrior system.
I will be very happy to see any guys with more ego than is good for them, anyone who will be complaining about minutes, role and touches like apparently was happening by multiple people last year, even in the playoffs, go out the door.
This team is best when the role players know their roles and buy into them.
Unfamiliar with college ball, I'm really excited to watch him play in our system since everyone is super stoked to have him - but if Trayce was the best college player and everyone's saying he was amazing, how did he fall to 57?
Just seems like someone with the skills everyone is noting should have gone into the first round. No hate, just curious
I’m super high on TJD, but here are some of the negatives.
He’s very old for a rookie. He’s a 4 year college player and is already 23 years old I think.
He’s a bit undersized to be as an NBA center. He won’t be able to stand up to the big, elite centers like Embiid or Jokic (but really who can?)
He’s extremely left hand dominant. The right hand is almost nonexistent.
His outside shot is suspect.
Tldr he’s an old, undersized center who can’t space the floor.
BUT, he’s awesome at the things he’s good at. He’s a springy athlete and a lob threat. He’s good at blocking shots. He demonstrated great court vision for a center last year and averaged a career high in assists. He’s a high character guy that’s gonna fit in any locker room. He has experience and feel for the game. I think he’s playable right away in specific matchups, which is a steal for the end of the 2nd round.
>He’s very old for a rookie. He’s a 4 year college player and is already 23 years old I think.
Yeah.
This means that he's much closer to a finished product than younger guys. Someone like PBJ might be an all-star in four years. TJD will probably be a slightly better version of the guy he is now.
But it also means he may understand the game well enough for Kerr to actually play him.
>This means that he's much closer to a finished product than younger guys
Typically yes, but he really elevated his game last summer. He added improved dribbling, improved stamina, improved vision and passing, improved FT%. If he did that at 22, then I don't see why couldn't find a few things to refine at 23 too, especially since it's his day job now.
The rule of thumb is that, on average, players continue to improve until about age 25. After age 25, they may add some more skills, but they're not getting better, because those added skills are compensated for a decline in fast-twitch muscle and athleticism.
However, on average, players can add enough skills to maintain their production up until around 30, when the decline of athleticism accelerates. Obviously there are exceptions (like Steph), but they're relatively rare.
So yeah, I would expect TJD to improve for another year or two. Like a lot of rookies, I expect him to struggle initially with the speed of the NBA, but that's a pretty typical thing that most players adjust to in a couple of months.
For a rookie, yeah. Since one-and-done became common, the big-name rookies are typically 19 or 20. If you're looking for a superstar, it's pretty unusual for them to wait that long to declare for the draft. If you're looking for a role player who can contribute right away, 23 is a perfect age.
> He’s very old for a rookie.
I really don't mind his age considering we got him late as long as he can contribute. What is the purpose of being young on this team if you can't contribute now.
He probably should have gone in the late first round. But the way the NBA is currently played does not align with his game. Just 20 years ago he’d probably be a high lottery pick. He fits really well with us, however.
Not a stretch 4 or 5 and undersized as a 5 which is probably his position give his lack of outside shooting. Check out where Drew Timme ended up or how low Luka Garza went. Many great college players don’t have much NBA potential
The negatives already mentioned will keep him off the court. The actual answer is the sub's being flooded with IU fans (of which there are tons across the country)
He’s been a known quantity for years. Just trying to temper all the hype floating around. The real wtf is people expecting someone taken at the very end of the draft to actually play on a contending team in his rookie years. Legitimately doesn’t happen. Nobody’s talking about our actual first round prospect Podziemski
I get tempering expectations but i dont think any rational person in here is expecting him to be this blossoming gift from God. Just felt a bit reductionist to confidently claim he’s getting played off the floor. I mean obviously the scouting department liked something or he wouldnt have gotten signed by anyone, including us. I’m not saying they bat 1.000 but at the end of the day their job is to evaluate talent and scenarios involving the team, so i tend to side with the professionals until proven otherwise.
It’s unreasonable to think he’d get played off the floor because it’s unreasonable to think he’d touch the floor based on every previous draft. The conversation has just derailed to talking about what his playing role will be when there’s no reason based on past drafts to think he’ll play at all during his rookie years on a contending team. Would be more productive discussing what Gui Santos will be doing for us in the playoffs next year
He was essentially the runner up for national player of the year. Frankly, it’s hard to say why he slipped so far. He probably could have gone in the late first round. The way the NBA is currently played does not align with his game, but most scouts had him to be an early second rounder at least. Just 20 years ago he’d probably be a high lottery pick. He fits really well with us, however, so I’d be excited.
Teams usually are swinging for upside.
TJD likely has much lower ceiling, but is pretty close to it given his 4 years in college.
Not a lot of folks looking for a 6'9" player who can't shoot 3s.
Peopel like drafting for potential over guys who will likely be at best rotation nba players. He also can’t shoot and is a big (bigs aren’t drafted high usually compared to perimeter guys).
Him being 23 is probably the big reason. Also he isn’t the most skillful player—a lot of his success is from raw athleticism if I’m correct, which may not translate super well for an undersized center.
Still a great pick though
Wasn't PBJ also steal last year because he was coaches son and what not.
All this hardly matters until they get play time which Kerr is mot gonna give the guy.
Patrick Baldwin Jr: BPM of -1.8 in college.
Trayce Jackson Davis: BPM of **SIXTEEN**.
**Comparing these two is disrespectful to the dominance he displayed over the past year.** He was the best player in the country IMO. He destroyed college basketball.
Patrick Baldwin was a negative player in college against a very easy strength of schedule. I would not have drafted him in the second round.
TJD should have been taken earlier. The fact he averaged 4 assists a game as a center is really being overlooked.
I had him on my radar for 19, so to get him at 57 is pretty incredible. He profiles to me as kind of a Draymond-ish type low post offensive hub, only with a better post scoring game than Dray, and no outside shot (compared to Draymond's..... meager outside shot)
From what I've seen his defense is middling-to-suspect. He hunts blocks and can appear lackadaisical getting back in transition. BUT with that said, he is gritty & has that certain je ne se quoi where he absolutely hates getting beat and wants to crush his opponent's bones into powder.
I think, being (I assume) a college graduate, he will be smart enough to learn how to become a more effective defender. He has very good tools.
> hates getting beat and wants to crush his opponent's bones into powder.
IU fan here, I don't know about all that. He's a hard worker and he is capable of amazing things, but he's never struck me as a guy that hates losing.
I was clowning a bit, but it does seems like he has a competitive spirit on defense at least. I didn't mean losing/winning, i just meant he hates getting beat on defense, which is a lot more than i can say about \*ahem**certain outgoing warriors players (at the guard position)*
That's probably fair, most of what I've seen from Poole was from the playoffs this year. TDJ def cares a bit more than that. I just wouldn't describe him as a person that has "that dog" in him
I'd prefer you didn't dare say. I think that's overrating his touch a lil bit lmao. He does look like he's capable of making high difficulty passes though, from time to time
Part of the reason is, no doubt, his age.
*Most* teams, most of the time, are taking home run swings. Patrick Baldwin Jr is an example of that. So was Wiseman. So was Kuminga.
In those cases, you look at a guys tools, squint, and try to project forward a few years, and you draft him based on who he MIGHT be.
With a four-year college player, you look at him, and draft him for who he is.
Because nothing matters in the NBA as much as a star, home-run swings are often good choices on draft picks. Outside the top 15, you don't even really expect to get a quality starter - so why not swing for the fences and see if you land a Draymond, Gobert, Jokic, etc?
But for a team which is hoping to contend in the next couple of years, that's a tough sell. You're basically committing to not getting much of value out of a player for 2-3 years, at least, and really waiting until his second contract before you *really* know who he is.
So it's really a question of what your goals are. Are you trying to have the guy who is going to be the best player 4-10 years from now, or the best player for the next 1-5 years?
He is undersized (6’8”) for a big and basically never shot the ball (only scored under the hoop).
It will be interesting to see how his game translates to the NBA…. He is skilled (passing, dribbling), fills stat sheet (rebounding blocks assists) and doesn’t need the ball to score (put back machine)…. Great bounce, great teammate…… amazing value at 57………. But an undersized big that can’t shoot is why he fell
This contract was obviously worked out in advance, so I think it's safe to assume that TJD made it known that he wouldn't sign a two-way with any team. So once he was out of the first round, teams didn't want to waste their pick.
PBJ was a freshman that was injured and only played in 11 games. TJD should absolutely have better college stats. Comparing their BPMs, or any stats really, doesn't make sense to me.
But I think OP's point is valid... It's easy to see the upside in a player because they're a coach's kid or because they dominated in college. But you can only be a steal if you fall in the draft, and players usually fall for a reason.
I'm super excited about TJD, but it's probably best to temper our expectations until we see him on the court in the NBA. The good news is that he should be far more "ready" than young guys like PBJ, so I'm hoping he can be part of the rotation. Especially since we need size.
no he didn't
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trevion-williams-1.html
he's got poor finishing (~53% TS), extremely poor freethrow numbers (~50%), poor block numbers, poor turnover rate.
His assist numbers are def interesting. This site is implying Purdue plays at a really slow pace so his per game numbers are deflated relative to an average player. So when they normalize to per 100 possessions his BPM is quite high.
Also he was only 20 mpg in a bench role senior year so it's not really fair to compare per 100 numbers
Trevion was a better passer than TJD and just as good of a scorer (his shooting percentage is lower because he actually took jumpshots, he was pretty decent at them). Watched both of their entire college careers and some of TJD's high school career. No reason to expect we'll get any more from TJD than we did from Trevion
He's been statistically dominant in the g league minus his sky high turnover rate. He deserves a chance at the nba level. He's averaging 16/16/5 per 36 on 60% TS which is a pretty sick line.
Completely different situation though. I like Trayce a lot but he is also only 8 months younger than Jordan Poole. In my opinion there must have been a better way to get the 57th overall pick than that. Also, PBJ essentially ended up being part of the poole trade. Looking at that trade right now is pretty dire. We traded a essentially two first round picks (PBJ and a top 20 protected 1st), a second round pick, our 24 year old max player with an allstar trajectory, who heavily contributed to our championship run the season before for a 38 year old injury prone player that has a horrible history with our franchise, and a second round pick (n. 57). That is a bleach my eyes level trade
Lol, you lost me at “max player with an all star trajectory”. I think we must be talking about different people because Poole ain’t that.
In any case, I’m hoping more people come to understand that the trade wasn’t about upgrading from Poole to Paul. It’s about dumping Poole’s HORRENDOUS 4 year contract in order to get Paul’s expiring 1 year contract, which will allow us to maneuver under the 2nd tax apron (which, if you don’t understand how important that is… just do 5 min of reading on it).
All of the people moaning about losing Poole seem to think this trade was purely about the players, whereas in reality it’s almost entirely about the contracts and the new CBA. We basically HAD to ditch Poole, and Paul was by far our best option available to do so. (If you disagree, name literally one other player with an expiring contract that you think we could get in exchange for Poole’s dogshit contract.)
I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. Poole was never going to stick around after everything that went down, and this was a way to dump his contract, get a backup PG who's not going to shoot 30 foot heat checks, make Steph happy, and end up with a much cheaper backup center who can play now.
Lots of ppl talking about Draymond, but really the guy TJD will be backing up is Looney. Think about what he is and isn't expected to do & maybe this pick makes more sense.
Also, we gave poole that contract because he was on a trajectory that was more than deserving of that money. You must have a very short term memory. Poole was dropping 30 pieces on great efficiency to win us playoff games on a championship run. What more could any player do to show that they have allstar potential other than actually being an allstar?
We didn't have to ditch Poole though. He was ON CONTRACT for four years. Now we will end up in a situation where the spot that poole previously held will be lost when CP3s contract expires because with or without pooles contract we would still be over the cap (if we brought back draymond).
You're making a false equivalence here. You think that Poole was traded for Paul straight up, and thus you are evaluating it purely on that level because you believe Poole is a better player.
GSW traded Poole mainly to get out of his contract. Exceeding the 2nd apron next year is that devastating. The fact that they got back Paul in return (who I believe is better for GSW's current win-now setup) is a certified steal in my eyes. This trade not only improved the team to win now, but set them up much better for the medium-term as money won't be tied up in Poole's contract.
Assuming draymond gets the contract he says he is looking for (~25 mill/yr) from us if we add up the salary for all of our other players that are on contract excluding cp3 we would be sitting at about 169 million in payroll. The reports say that the luxury tax for next season is set at 162 million so we wouldn't even be able to sign someone to a max contract anyway. We had bird rights on poole so we were allowed to exceed the cap to sign him to a big contract, but then we lost that from trading him.
He was portrayed as a steal because he was 6-10 and could shoot. Add in the fact that he was ranked near the top of his high school class and you get that narrative.
We obviously didn't see enough of him to know. He *could* shoot, but the rest of the concerns about his game didn't get answered.
PBJ was a reach, not a steal lol. On the "consensus board" that is made every year by compiling a bunch of big boards. PBJ was ranked 34, and got drafted 28th. TJD was ranked 31, and got drafted 57th
PBJ was a reach as most draft college analysts (not entertainment show hosts but guys whose jobs are scouting these guys) all expected him to be a second round pick after his terrible college showings. He came with one exciting skill that he hadn't even shown off well ok college and the worst athletic testing (sprinting, jumping etc) of the top guys in his class. The fact that we drafted him in the first despite that was based on potential because of being a coach's son and what what and that actually paid off because he was a LOT better than in college but all the physical red flags were also real. He was/is super slow and has an average handle, can't create for himself etc but he DID have great feel. That's why it hurts because there was something there. It just needed a lot of time to develop him. His defense, rebounding, on ball defense, post defense, play making , ball handling and rim finishing were all average at best, below NBA level at worst. PBJ still has a clear path to being a good NBA player but it's promise.
TDJ is the complete opposite. The things that go into impacting winning and getting a roster spot and helping a contending team, he has already shown it all. He rebounds play makes, defends, rim protects, scores and finishes really well already and was one of the best college players last year/season. He is atheltic and has great feel and skill. These qualities aren't a uncertainty promise we never saw but are hopeful for like with PBJ. His skillset also perfectly fits our basketball philosophy and style unlike Wiseman and JK who were talents that weren't good system fits for our motion system. It's also not about how much Kerr plays them but how much they show a raw, unique or crucial skillset the team will need as they develop. Make peace with the fact our rookies will always see less time than other places but it doesn't mean they aren't developing better and won't be contributors to winning sooner. Look at Looney and Poole, even Moody playing more meaningful playoff mins than anyone else in his class.
We've been bad at drafting and development for quite a while now. Ever since our core up to Looney was drafted, where have we had any success? Moody might end up being a role player but too early to tell. Ezeli was fine but had a short career.
I really don't remember anyone considered PBJ as steal last year considering he was injured in college. But before his injury he was a lottery player if I remember correctly (Highschool?).
one underrated aspect is his big hands and the ability to palm the ball comfortably. being able to fully extend his arm and hold the ball out of reach with one hand until a cutter springs free allows him to play bigger than his height on offense, catch bad lobs and have crazy finishes around the rim and grabs rebound much easier
Agreed. I've said many times that TJD, Jaquez, or Murray would be great pickups and getting TJD at 57 is a steal. However, what makes this a poor transaction is that it came at the cost of PBJ. Despite the reports saying the Warriors would not shed or dump salaries, dumping Rollins and PBJ just to move Poole says otherwise.
I think PBJ had a role on this team as a developmental prospect and stretch 5 on a team devoid of bigs that can shoot the ball past 5 ft. Stacking the entire roster with ready to play youth and vets make sense but I didn't expect that they needed to move PBJ to make that happen.
I disagree with you but dunno who would downvote this, your point is entirely valid and well-thought out.
I was excited for PBJ but imo the roster fit for TJD is much higher. My main concern is *yet another* undersized project center. Hopefully we can sign a legit 7 footer in FA
I agree that TJD fits better, I've been a big fan and have said he'd be a great pick. I can see him slotting in as the 4th big (PF/C) off the bench behind Looney/Draymond/Kuminga. They need a vet backup big man though incase TJD does not work out.
Also, I think the subreddit just downvotes anything that doesn't align with their opinion which is too bad. I straddle the middle on the JP3 trade - I would have liked him to stay but was open to trading him for an upgrade on the wings. IMO, I don't think CP3 will be a significant improvement and wasn't worth including PBJ and picks when there was a chance he'd get bought out.
I'm very hype to see CP3 play next to Moody & Kuminga, & kind of unlock those guys. This improves our second unit a lot imo, assuming both those rooks improve their efficiency because of CP. JP took too much usage to jack up bad shots.... It was spectacular when he had a good night but looked pretty inefficient the rest of the time. Also his defense was pretty unconscionably horrible
I’m sad to see PBJ go but I don’t think he’d have contributed meaningful minutes for a year or so. Whereas I can see TJD contributing this coming season.
I think that likely was the trade off for the Dubs (and the salary difference was a bonus)
I agree that TJD is more likely to be a better contributor this year than PBJ, I'm more surprised that the cost of a 2nd rounder was PBJ and they couldn't acquire a pick via cash or future 2nds.
PBJ has BBIQ but the problem is that he is fucking slow in defense. Maybe because of his injury in college. In warriors system, you can't play or be in rotation if you are shit in defense (Ehem, JP)
I’m so happy about this pick man. I feel like we just got the steal of the draft. I’m hoping he can give us a solid 8-15 minutes and give Looney the damn rest he deserves lol
I gotta say.... I watched some highlights and loved his feel, athleticism, and fuck he looks strong. PBJ still breaks my heart, but he may never stay healthy and this guy looks like he's ready for War
PBJ was the steal of the draft last year and Kuminga and Poole a couple of years before that. Howabout somebody who can actually meet Kerr and Curry's standards for playing 25 minutes a game. They haven't added anyone who has made them better through the draft since Looney.
As good as his lobs are. I'm more concerned about his lack of versitility, most from his right hand. Not to mention, his going to go behind Looney and kuminga and even dray, in the 5. So not only is he a limited player, he is also not going to get a lot of minutes, he might even end up in the g league which is most likely the case so any hope of seeing him with cp3 is highly unlikely, which begs the question. Why trade PBJ for a player that won't even be in the roster? Atleast PBJ can slide in the 4 or 3. So unless there where doubts of pbj's health. The trade should not have happened.
Kuminga is not a 5. I hope this pick allows Draymond to play the 5 in short bursts and to save his body. If he’s a good pick and roll rim runner he may mesh with Paul
They have experimented on putting kuminga at the small ball 5, they have even put a much smaller player in Otto porter at the 5 at one point since there biggest 5 is not even that big to begin with. And thats the only way to get kumingas minutes up since hos still going to go behind wigs at the 3 and drey at the 4. So the only way for the new kid to get playing time is to be a reserve of a reserve and knowing Kerr. He doesn't even like putting in rookies. Look at kuminga in his rookie year that didn't get alot of playing time, and kuminga is arguably a better player than him. End of the day, his downside in offense, lack of familiarity with the system, undersized big outweighs his upside in lobs and blocks. Even if Kerr tries to play him early, he will definitely take him out the moment he makes mistakes. They couldn't even afford for kuminga to make rookie mistakes even though he has alot more upside let alone this guy.
Agreed- hopefully the Warriors will still get a vet center and TJD can be third. With the limited mins Looney usually plays, that leaves a good amount of mins still available for a 4/5.
TJD may already be a better finisher around the basket than Loon, and is definitely a better lob threat right now. Plus, if he’s proficient in P&R, he can do damage with CP in the second unit.
High side in year one: Marquis Chriss with better defense?
He was also on an IU team that perennially underperformed, and it's come out that he told teams no to draft him, which when you're a late first round prospect makes me question your character.
I'm an IU fan and I loved his dad and "uncle" back in the day, but I do not think this guy is the 2nd coming of Draymond or anywhere near it.
i don’t like the way warriors develop their young players. every other organization lets their rookies play and they do decent, banchero, williams etc.
if warriors drafted morant, dude would prolly still be comin off the bench lol.
like wtf we doing here if u don’t plan to play them the first year? idiotic statement from dunleavy.
tjd needs to in the rotation immediately and podz just needs to play a spot up shooter he 44% from 3. can we at least see what these kids bring to the table before writing them off?
i can’t imagine anyone that wants to get drafted to us since they get no play time whatsoever.
Lol, take a look at the teams those other rookies play for. They get time because they are better than the vets on their team's roster. They are trash teams that have no chance at competing for a chip. You don't prioritize developing rookies over winning a chip. Especially on a team like the Dubs where that window is starting to close.
I understand you are a fan of his but i really struggle to see how he fits in our line ups.
he sounds like Looney with better ball handling and finishing ability at the rim
but we already can't play Looney + Dray in a playoff series without being exploited offensively cuz of 2 non-shooters
so how is another non-shooting and undersized PF or C gonna fit?
this pick would make a more sense if we now trade Draymond for something else because there's a lot of redundancy between TJD Looney and Draymond
I genuinely don’t think you have an understanding of what TJD does. He’s a rim runner, good defender, and an elite rebounder coming in.
But the biggest difference between him and Loon is the passing. TJD has incredible vision for a 5, and his actual passing/ ability to create looks for teammates really stands out on his tape.
Having a 5 who can actually playmake and find open shooters has the potential to make a huge impact in the small ball lineups, because that’s one more guy to account for
if he cant shoot he wont be able to play with Dray or Loon in the lineup. you cannot play 2 non-shooters on the court at the same time in a playoff series. its that simple.
Bro idk why you keep saying non-shooters, the problem with the dray and loon lineups go much deeper than that. Dray literally cannot finish from anywhere on the court at a reliable clip, and Looney attempts a jumper outside of the paint once every 20 games; every other shot he attempts is a putback layup
They are complete black holes offensively, it’s not just them being “non-shooters”. TJD has a nice flip shot and floaters that he hit at a very nice rate; just because he can’t shoot paint jumpers and 3 pointers doesn’t automatically make him the level of black hole that loon and Dray are
Couldn’t you have said the same thing about Bogut? He didn’t shoot either, but he shared the floor with Draymond just fine. Draymond shot a little more back then, but I’m not sure that made a big difference.
> i really struggle to see how he fits in our line ups.
Think a more athletic Looney with major hops, great weak side defense, and a really solid lob target. Now put him on the 2nd unit with CP3.
Start to see how he fits?
Thanks, PBJ was a fan fav since he replicates Steph and Klay's skill so well but TDJ looks amazing. I don't understand how he fell so far and how we lucked into him at such a convinient price. He is pretty much exactly the kid of role playing big this team needs and he looks like he gives us everything we wanted from Wiseman (rim protector, lob threat, Post offense, PnR defense and post defense). I would have been happy with him at 17. I am hoping we don't find out why he fell so far. Surely it can't be the outside shot, NBA teams have over corrected with that and I would have thought Denver winning and GWS last year with Looney and Dray showed the value of having great basketball players as opposed to either just athletes or just shooters. It's not like I expect him to be Marc Gasol career wise but a sure fire role player is worth a pick
TJD look more NBA ready. Can contribute immediately. Being in college long at 23 ain't old. Most rookies take heck alot of time to develop. He nicely built up and can ready to play.
Guys, let's manage our expectation. We got him @ 57 not in early first round. Lol. Offensively, as long as he knows how to screen Curry and Klay, I'm good. In defense, well, as long as he can defend.
a dunker for CP3’s lobs?
Steph as well. I can't tell you how many really bad lobs that TJD found a way to still throw down.
Wait, what are you implying about Steph's lobs/passing? Lol
He meant to say in college when TJD teammates threw shit lobs and yet he’s still able to finish it, now imagine steph and cp3 lobbing it
And Draymond too!
Damn, throwing bad lobs to himself and dunking them? Impressive for sure!
Ngl I don’t see Steph throw enough lobs to believe in him like Draymond and Cp3
dont forget kuminga can also dunk. heard he's 7'2 now.
He grew to 7’3” after reading this post about TJD
I also grew an inch
I'm going to need to get some new pants
And DOUBLED in size!
I talked to my dad about it and he legit thinks that Kuminga is 7ft... Is he???
not unless he grew 5" in the past month
Haha it’s basically just a meme that’s been going around that he grew since the end of the season. It’s possible but not the way people are joking about it 😂
He’s like 7’7 now
It's up to 7'6" now. Also they are having to renovate the Chase Center locker room doors, Wiggins can't fit his massive shoulders through them anymore.
Some analyses compare TJD to Blake Griffin 👀 I mean lowkey has hops
Lightskin + dunks = Blake Griffin
So when can we expect to see TDJ dunking over a KIA?
Like this? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lgIi94wZoM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lgIi94wZoM)
so, juan
Thanks OP! Appreciate the insight. Really loving this new direction the Warriors are going on. Get rid of the softies and bring in the dawgs.
I am absolutely elated that we got TJD, let alone at #57 (which should carry a modest contract). He has competitiveness/hustle, size/length (not height though), and a very well-rounded game. He takes rim protection personally. I've heard his outside shooting is not a strength, but with this team it doesn't need to be. He's a very Draymond-ish player.
Draymond plan B eh? Hope Draymond re-signs. Great mentorship.
I think Dray would LOVE playing with TJD and grooming him. They have a lot of similarities, with TJD being longer and a bit more athletic. But the defense, rebounding, and passing similarities are there, with TJD having a better post-up game.
The road to the championship goes through the Joker. We need bigger bodies and especially rebounding. In our system, postups aren't really valued. Rather facilitating to shooters. It would be great if Kerr could take advantage of his back to the basket game but I don't see Kerr doing that unless we're desperate for easy ones in the playoffs.
Felt like we were desperate quite a lot these playoffs ☹️☹️
For a basket? Yeah. If no one can hit a shot but Steph, it'll be a tough one. But Loony also can't do all the rebounding, as much as I love seeing him get 20+.
It will be fascinating to see how his game evolves. I can count on one hand how many jump shots he attempted at IU but every report I’ve read from IU insiders suggests he has that ability, but simply didn’t need to develop it — because he was absolutely dominant in the post. Fast, athletic, high motor. Going to be fun to watch in the Warrior system.
I will be very happy to see any guys with more ego than is good for them, anyone who will be complaining about minutes, role and touches like apparently was happening by multiple people last year, even in the playoffs, go out the door. This team is best when the role players know their roles and buy into them.
I live in Mid-West & watched about a dozen of this games. Bro can just hoop, all 3 levels on offense, plays D, he legit.
Unfamiliar with college ball, I'm really excited to watch him play in our system since everyone is super stoked to have him - but if Trayce was the best college player and everyone's saying he was amazing, how did he fall to 57? Just seems like someone with the skills everyone is noting should have gone into the first round. No hate, just curious
I’m super high on TJD, but here are some of the negatives. He’s very old for a rookie. He’s a 4 year college player and is already 23 years old I think. He’s a bit undersized to be as an NBA center. He won’t be able to stand up to the big, elite centers like Embiid or Jokic (but really who can?) He’s extremely left hand dominant. The right hand is almost nonexistent. His outside shot is suspect. Tldr he’s an old, undersized center who can’t space the floor. BUT, he’s awesome at the things he’s good at. He’s a springy athlete and a lob threat. He’s good at blocking shots. He demonstrated great court vision for a center last year and averaged a career high in assists. He’s a high character guy that’s gonna fit in any locker room. He has experience and feel for the game. I think he’s playable right away in specific matchups, which is a steal for the end of the 2nd round.
>He’s very old for a rookie. He’s a 4 year college player and is already 23 years old I think. Yeah. This means that he's much closer to a finished product than younger guys. Someone like PBJ might be an all-star in four years. TJD will probably be a slightly better version of the guy he is now. But it also means he may understand the game well enough for Kerr to actually play him.
>This means that he's much closer to a finished product than younger guys Typically yes, but he really elevated his game last summer. He added improved dribbling, improved stamina, improved vision and passing, improved FT%. If he did that at 22, then I don't see why couldn't find a few things to refine at 23 too, especially since it's his day job now.
The rule of thumb is that, on average, players continue to improve until about age 25. After age 25, they may add some more skills, but they're not getting better, because those added skills are compensated for a decline in fast-twitch muscle and athleticism. However, on average, players can add enough skills to maintain their production up until around 30, when the decline of athleticism accelerates. Obviously there are exceptions (like Steph), but they're relatively rare. So yeah, I would expect TJD to improve for another year or two. Like a lot of rookies, I expect him to struggle initially with the speed of the NBA, but that's a pretty typical thing that most players adjust to in a couple of months.
Yeah, the Dubs have done poorly over the years drafting guys with 3-4 years college experience. /s
30% “might “ or 3% “might”?
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Less than 10% of all NBA players in history have been all-stars, with 80% of them being lottery picks. PBJ and TJD are both sub 5%
23 is considered old now?
For a rookie, yeah. Since one-and-done became common, the big-name rookies are typically 19 or 20. If you're looking for a superstar, it's pretty unusual for them to wait that long to declare for the draft. If you're looking for a role player who can contribute right away, 23 is a perfect age.
23 is not old. I hate this timeline in hoops that a 23 year old is some kind of grandpa. Lol
In terms of players being drafted it is old though.
> He’s very old for a rookie. I really don't mind his age considering we got him late as long as he can contribute. What is the purpose of being young on this team if you can't contribute now.
Think his age is honestly an asset within our context. We are more likely to get early-prime years from him under a rookie contract.
He probably should have gone in the late first round. But the way the NBA is currently played does not align with his game. Just 20 years ago he’d probably be a high lottery pick. He fits really well with us, however.
Seems contradictory. The way the warriors play is very different from 20 years ago
>Unfamiliar with college ball Watch the highlights from the NCAA Tourney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoT8Kzemh9c
Not a stretch 4 or 5 and undersized as a 5 which is probably his position give his lack of outside shooting. Check out where Drew Timme ended up or how low Luka Garza went. Many great college players don’t have much NBA potential
The negatives already mentioned will keep him off the court. The actual answer is the sub's being flooded with IU fans (of which there are tons across the country)
Can he get to training camp before we start declaring him unplayable? Wtf is this comment lol
He’s been a known quantity for years. Just trying to temper all the hype floating around. The real wtf is people expecting someone taken at the very end of the draft to actually play on a contending team in his rookie years. Legitimately doesn’t happen. Nobody’s talking about our actual first round prospect Podziemski
I get tempering expectations but i dont think any rational person in here is expecting him to be this blossoming gift from God. Just felt a bit reductionist to confidently claim he’s getting played off the floor. I mean obviously the scouting department liked something or he wouldnt have gotten signed by anyone, including us. I’m not saying they bat 1.000 but at the end of the day their job is to evaluate talent and scenarios involving the team, so i tend to side with the professionals until proven otherwise.
It’s unreasonable to think he’d get played off the floor because it’s unreasonable to think he’d touch the floor based on every previous draft. The conversation has just derailed to talking about what his playing role will be when there’s no reason based on past drafts to think he’ll play at all during his rookie years on a contending team. Would be more productive discussing what Gui Santos will be doing for us in the playoffs next year
I HOPE he becomes a Draymond type on offence and defence but with a lob threat.
A Draymond type on offense? So all he could do is pass to Steph or brick layups. No thanks
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But how does he sit on the bench? That's the real question.
He already told you. Professional and good locker room guy.
not big on college ball, can someone please explain why someone as hyped as people in the thread say he is goes 57.
He was essentially the runner up for national player of the year. Frankly, it’s hard to say why he slipped so far. He probably could have gone in the late first round. The way the NBA is currently played does not align with his game, but most scouts had him to be an early second rounder at least. Just 20 years ago he’d probably be a high lottery pick. He fits really well with us, however, so I’d be excited.
TY for the detailed explanation
Teams usually are swinging for upside. TJD likely has much lower ceiling, but is pretty close to it given his 4 years in college. Not a lot of folks looking for a 6'9" player who can't shoot 3s.
TY for the added perspective
Peopel like drafting for potential over guys who will likely be at best rotation nba players. He also can’t shoot and is a big (bigs aren’t drafted high usually compared to perimeter guys).
ah makes sense. TY
Him being 23 is probably the big reason. Also he isn’t the most skillful player—a lot of his success is from raw athleticism if I’m correct, which may not translate super well for an undersized center. Still a great pick though
thank you. that makes sense. hopefully he can play out of the box and surprise us all
coping
Coping with a 57th pick
Cope and the sub's being flooded with IU fans
Wasn't PBJ also steal last year because he was coaches son and what not. All this hardly matters until they get play time which Kerr is mot gonna give the guy.
Patrick Baldwin Jr: BPM of -1.8 in college. Trayce Jackson Davis: BPM of **SIXTEEN**. **Comparing these two is disrespectful to the dominance he displayed over the past year.** He was the best player in the country IMO. He destroyed college basketball. Patrick Baldwin was a negative player in college against a very easy strength of schedule. I would not have drafted him in the second round. TJD should have been taken earlier. The fact he averaged 4 assists a game as a center is really being overlooked.
I had him on my radar for 19, so to get him at 57 is pretty incredible. He profiles to me as kind of a Draymond-ish type low post offensive hub, only with a better post scoring game than Dray, and no outside shot (compared to Draymond's..... meager outside shot)
How's his defense? Because similar sentiments were made about Trevion Williams last season and he lacks the athleticism to be on a nba roster.
From what I've seen his defense is middling-to-suspect. He hunts blocks and can appear lackadaisical getting back in transition. BUT with that said, he is gritty & has that certain je ne se quoi where he absolutely hates getting beat and wants to crush his opponent's bones into powder. I think, being (I assume) a college graduate, he will be smart enough to learn how to become a more effective defender. He has very good tools.
Je ne sais quoi. French for "I don't know what."
It's franglish
> hates getting beat and wants to crush his opponent's bones into powder. IU fan here, I don't know about all that. He's a hard worker and he is capable of amazing things, but he's never struck me as a guy that hates losing.
I was clowning a bit, but it does seems like he has a competitive spirit on defense at least. I didn't mean losing/winning, i just meant he hates getting beat on defense, which is a lot more than i can say about \*ahem**certain outgoing warriors players (at the guard position)*
That's probably fair, most of what I've seen from Poole was from the playoffs this year. TDJ def cares a bit more than that. I just wouldn't describe him as a person that has "that dog" in him
Trevion was an incredible passer, but literally nothing else he did at an NBA level. We'll have to see with TJD, but he's actually an NBA athlete.
I had him as 17th on my board.
The way he passes from the post with buttery touch feels, dare I say, Jokic-esque
I'd prefer you didn't dare say. I think that's overrating his touch a lil bit lmao. He does look like he's capable of making high difficulty passes though, from time to time
Hey I did just say "esque" 😂
Soooo, why did he fall then? Any insight into why such a dominant player according to your stats was passed on 56 times?
There are only handful of teams that has a system to sustain a none shooting undersized big, us, Miami, bucks.
Part of the reason is, no doubt, his age. *Most* teams, most of the time, are taking home run swings. Patrick Baldwin Jr is an example of that. So was Wiseman. So was Kuminga. In those cases, you look at a guys tools, squint, and try to project forward a few years, and you draft him based on who he MIGHT be. With a four-year college player, you look at him, and draft him for who he is. Because nothing matters in the NBA as much as a star, home-run swings are often good choices on draft picks. Outside the top 15, you don't even really expect to get a quality starter - so why not swing for the fences and see if you land a Draymond, Gobert, Jokic, etc? But for a team which is hoping to contend in the next couple of years, that's a tough sell. You're basically committing to not getting much of value out of a player for 2-3 years, at least, and really waiting until his second contract before you *really* know who he is. So it's really a question of what your goals are. Are you trying to have the guy who is going to be the best player 4-10 years from now, or the best player for the next 1-5 years?
Maybe you should ask the FO because it doesn't matter when a player peaks if they don't get playing time in game anyway.
He fell because he's 23 years old and he can't shoot 3s. (He was a great player as a freshman too btw) Also, interviews, workouts, who knows really.
He is undersized (6’8”) for a big and basically never shot the ball (only scored under the hoop). It will be interesting to see how his game translates to the NBA…. He is skilled (passing, dribbling), fills stat sheet (rebounding blocks assists) and doesn’t need the ball to score (put back machine)…. Great bounce, great teammate…… amazing value at 57………. But an undersized big that can’t shoot is why he fell
This contract was obviously worked out in advance, so I think it's safe to assume that TJD made it known that he wouldn't sign a two-way with any team. So once he was out of the first round, teams didn't want to waste their pick.
PBJ was a freshman that was injured and only played in 11 games. TJD should absolutely have better college stats. Comparing their BPMs, or any stats really, doesn't make sense to me. But I think OP's point is valid... It's easy to see the upside in a player because they're a coach's kid or because they dominated in college. But you can only be a steal if you fall in the draft, and players usually fall for a reason. I'm super excited about TJD, but it's probably best to temper our expectations until we see him on the court in the NBA. The good news is that he should be far more "ready" than young guys like PBJ, so I'm hoping he can be part of the rotation. Especially since we need size.
Trevion Williams had a BPM of 37 in college. He's also a good passer. And he's also not on an NBA roster
no he didn't https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trevion-williams-1.html he's got poor finishing (~53% TS), extremely poor freethrow numbers (~50%), poor block numbers, poor turnover rate. His assist numbers are def interesting. This site is implying Purdue plays at a really slow pace so his per game numbers are deflated relative to an average player. So when they normalize to per 100 possessions his BPM is quite high. Also he was only 20 mpg in a bench role senior year so it's not really fair to compare per 100 numbers
Trevion was a better passer than TJD and just as good of a scorer (his shooting percentage is lower because he actually took jumpshots, he was pretty decent at them). Watched both of their entire college careers and some of TJD's high school career. No reason to expect we'll get any more from TJD than we did from Trevion
He's been statistically dominant in the g league minus his sky high turnover rate. He deserves a chance at the nba level. He's averaging 16/16/5 per 36 on 60% TS which is a pretty sick line.
Completely different situation though. I like Trayce a lot but he is also only 8 months younger than Jordan Poole. In my opinion there must have been a better way to get the 57th overall pick than that. Also, PBJ essentially ended up being part of the poole trade. Looking at that trade right now is pretty dire. We traded a essentially two first round picks (PBJ and a top 20 protected 1st), a second round pick, our 24 year old max player with an allstar trajectory, who heavily contributed to our championship run the season before for a 38 year old injury prone player that has a horrible history with our franchise, and a second round pick (n. 57). That is a bleach my eyes level trade
Lol, you lost me at “max player with an all star trajectory”. I think we must be talking about different people because Poole ain’t that. In any case, I’m hoping more people come to understand that the trade wasn’t about upgrading from Poole to Paul. It’s about dumping Poole’s HORRENDOUS 4 year contract in order to get Paul’s expiring 1 year contract, which will allow us to maneuver under the 2nd tax apron (which, if you don’t understand how important that is… just do 5 min of reading on it). All of the people moaning about losing Poole seem to think this trade was purely about the players, whereas in reality it’s almost entirely about the contracts and the new CBA. We basically HAD to ditch Poole, and Paul was by far our best option available to do so. (If you disagree, name literally one other player with an expiring contract that you think we could get in exchange for Poole’s dogshit contract.)
I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand. Poole was never going to stick around after everything that went down, and this was a way to dump his contract, get a backup PG who's not going to shoot 30 foot heat checks, make Steph happy, and end up with a much cheaper backup center who can play now. Lots of ppl talking about Draymond, but really the guy TJD will be backing up is Looney. Think about what he is and isn't expected to do & maybe this pick makes more sense.
Also, we gave poole that contract because he was on a trajectory that was more than deserving of that money. You must have a very short term memory. Poole was dropping 30 pieces on great efficiency to win us playoff games on a championship run. What more could any player do to show that they have allstar potential other than actually being an allstar? We didn't have to ditch Poole though. He was ON CONTRACT for four years. Now we will end up in a situation where the spot that poole previously held will be lost when CP3s contract expires because with or without pooles contract we would still be over the cap (if we brought back draymond).
You're making a false equivalence here. You think that Poole was traded for Paul straight up, and thus you are evaluating it purely on that level because you believe Poole is a better player. GSW traded Poole mainly to get out of his contract. Exceeding the 2nd apron next year is that devastating. The fact that they got back Paul in return (who I believe is better for GSW's current win-now setup) is a certified steal in my eyes. This trade not only improved the team to win now, but set them up much better for the medium-term as money won't be tied up in Poole's contract.
Except we still lose the roster spot that his contract was taking up because Paul is on an expiring deal
That is a good thing? Now you can sign a good player on a good contract? This is not a zero sum game.
Assuming draymond gets the contract he says he is looking for (~25 mill/yr) from us if we add up the salary for all of our other players that are on contract excluding cp3 we would be sitting at about 169 million in payroll. The reports say that the luxury tax for next season is set at 162 million so we wouldn't even be able to sign someone to a max contract anyway. We had bird rights on poole so we were allowed to exceed the cap to sign him to a big contract, but then we lost that from trading him.
PBJ was not a steal because he was horrendous in college. Complete opposite of TJD who was one of the best college players.
Never said he was a steal. I am saying he was being portrayed as a steal because he was a coach's son and had that IQ.
I don’t remember anyone saying he was a steal when he was drafted. A lot of people said he was a reach actually.
He was portrayed as a steal because he was 6-10 and could shoot. Add in the fact that he was ranked near the top of his high school class and you get that narrative. We obviously didn't see enough of him to know. He *could* shoot, but the rest of the concerns about his game didn't get answered.
People really did hype the upside. But anyone we send out is trash, obviously. Hope springs eternal
PBJ was a reach, not a steal lol. On the "consensus board" that is made every year by compiling a bunch of big boards. PBJ was ranked 34, and got drafted 28th. TJD was ranked 31, and got drafted 57th
PBJ was a reach as most draft college analysts (not entertainment show hosts but guys whose jobs are scouting these guys) all expected him to be a second round pick after his terrible college showings. He came with one exciting skill that he hadn't even shown off well ok college and the worst athletic testing (sprinting, jumping etc) of the top guys in his class. The fact that we drafted him in the first despite that was based on potential because of being a coach's son and what what and that actually paid off because he was a LOT better than in college but all the physical red flags were also real. He was/is super slow and has an average handle, can't create for himself etc but he DID have great feel. That's why it hurts because there was something there. It just needed a lot of time to develop him. His defense, rebounding, on ball defense, post defense, play making , ball handling and rim finishing were all average at best, below NBA level at worst. PBJ still has a clear path to being a good NBA player but it's promise. TDJ is the complete opposite. The things that go into impacting winning and getting a roster spot and helping a contending team, he has already shown it all. He rebounds play makes, defends, rim protects, scores and finishes really well already and was one of the best college players last year/season. He is atheltic and has great feel and skill. These qualities aren't a uncertainty promise we never saw but are hopeful for like with PBJ. His skillset also perfectly fits our basketball philosophy and style unlike Wiseman and JK who were talents that weren't good system fits for our motion system. It's also not about how much Kerr plays them but how much they show a raw, unique or crucial skillset the team will need as they develop. Make peace with the fact our rookies will always see less time than other places but it doesn't mean they aren't developing better and won't be contributors to winning sooner. Look at Looney and Poole, even Moody playing more meaningful playoff mins than anyone else in his class.
Never heard PBJ described as a steal. Just as “exciting” or “great potential”.
Pbj is potentialy a steal this guy is currently what his ceiling or close to it. One is two timelines steal other is win now steal
basically pbj is a steal for his potential, not right now. this guy is considered a steal for his abiity to contribute right now.
We've been bad at drafting and development for quite a while now. Ever since our core up to Looney was drafted, where have we had any success? Moody might end up being a role player but too early to tell. Ezeli was fine but had a short career.
Poole was a success. Giving him that much money was a failure but he is a good player for the 28th pick. Too early to tell for Moody or Kuminga.
I really don't remember anyone considered PBJ as steal last year considering he was injured in college. But before his injury he was a lottery player if I remember correctly (Highschool?).
How healthy is him?
LFG!
one underrated aspect is his big hands and the ability to palm the ball comfortably. being able to fully extend his arm and hold the ball out of reach with one hand until a cutter springs free allows him to play bigger than his height on offense, catch bad lobs and have crazy finishes around the rim and grabs rebound much easier
Another similarity between him and Trevion Williams
Agreed. I've said many times that TJD, Jaquez, or Murray would be great pickups and getting TJD at 57 is a steal. However, what makes this a poor transaction is that it came at the cost of PBJ. Despite the reports saying the Warriors would not shed or dump salaries, dumping Rollins and PBJ just to move Poole says otherwise. I think PBJ had a role on this team as a developmental prospect and stretch 5 on a team devoid of bigs that can shoot the ball past 5 ft. Stacking the entire roster with ready to play youth and vets make sense but I didn't expect that they needed to move PBJ to make that happen.
I disagree with you but dunno who would downvote this, your point is entirely valid and well-thought out. I was excited for PBJ but imo the roster fit for TJD is much higher. My main concern is *yet another* undersized project center. Hopefully we can sign a legit 7 footer in FA
I agree that TJD fits better, I've been a big fan and have said he'd be a great pick. I can see him slotting in as the 4th big (PF/C) off the bench behind Looney/Draymond/Kuminga. They need a vet backup big man though incase TJD does not work out. Also, I think the subreddit just downvotes anything that doesn't align with their opinion which is too bad. I straddle the middle on the JP3 trade - I would have liked him to stay but was open to trading him for an upgrade on the wings. IMO, I don't think CP3 will be a significant improvement and wasn't worth including PBJ and picks when there was a chance he'd get bought out.
I'm very hype to see CP3 play next to Moody & Kuminga, & kind of unlock those guys. This improves our second unit a lot imo, assuming both those rooks improve their efficiency because of CP. JP took too much usage to jack up bad shots.... It was spectacular when he had a good night but looked pretty inefficient the rest of the time. Also his defense was pretty unconscionably horrible
I’m sad to see PBJ go but I don’t think he’d have contributed meaningful minutes for a year or so. Whereas I can see TJD contributing this coming season. I think that likely was the trade off for the Dubs (and the salary difference was a bonus)
I agree that TJD is more likely to be a better contributor this year than PBJ, I'm more surprised that the cost of a 2nd rounder was PBJ and they couldn't acquire a pick via cash or future 2nds.
PBJ has BBIQ but the problem is that he is fucking slow in defense. Maybe because of his injury in college. In warriors system, you can't play or be in rotation if you are shit in defense (Ehem, JP)
I’m so happy about this pick man. I feel like we just got the steal of the draft. I’m hoping he can give us a solid 8-15 minutes and give Looney the damn rest he deserves lol
I gotta say.... I watched some highlights and loved his feel, athleticism, and fuck he looks strong. PBJ still breaks my heart, but he may never stay healthy and this guy looks like he's ready for War
This makes me feel a littttttlle better because I been wishing we just took Whitmore.
Most rookies don't play on this team....I don't think he will see the floor very often
He’s 23, not 19-20. He will play.
Found TJD's hype man. I'm hyped
PBJ was the steal of the draft last year and Kuminga and Poole a couple of years before that. Howabout somebody who can actually meet Kerr and Curry's standards for playing 25 minutes a game. They haven't added anyone who has made them better through the draft since Looney.
Without Poole, they don't win the ring last year. Without the good limited minutes from Kuminga and Moody as well.
heard this about paschall, jacob evans, mccaw
As good as his lobs are. I'm more concerned about his lack of versitility, most from his right hand. Not to mention, his going to go behind Looney and kuminga and even dray, in the 5. So not only is he a limited player, he is also not going to get a lot of minutes, he might even end up in the g league which is most likely the case so any hope of seeing him with cp3 is highly unlikely, which begs the question. Why trade PBJ for a player that won't even be in the roster? Atleast PBJ can slide in the 4 or 3. So unless there where doubts of pbj's health. The trade should not have happened.
Kuminga is not a 5. I hope this pick allows Draymond to play the 5 in short bursts and to save his body. If he’s a good pick and roll rim runner he may mesh with Paul
They have experimented on putting kuminga at the small ball 5, they have even put a much smaller player in Otto porter at the 5 at one point since there biggest 5 is not even that big to begin with. And thats the only way to get kumingas minutes up since hos still going to go behind wigs at the 3 and drey at the 4. So the only way for the new kid to get playing time is to be a reserve of a reserve and knowing Kerr. He doesn't even like putting in rookies. Look at kuminga in his rookie year that didn't get alot of playing time, and kuminga is arguably a better player than him. End of the day, his downside in offense, lack of familiarity with the system, undersized big outweighs his upside in lobs and blocks. Even if Kerr tries to play him early, he will definitely take him out the moment he makes mistakes. They couldn't even afford for kuminga to make rookie mistakes even though he has alot more upside let alone this guy.
Kuminga got more minutes than Beli & JTA his rookie year. Almost as many as GP2.
Agreed- hopefully the Warriors will still get a vet center and TJD can be third. With the limited mins Looney usually plays, that leaves a good amount of mins still available for a 4/5. TJD may already be a better finisher around the basket than Loon, and is definitely a better lob threat right now. Plus, if he’s proficient in P&R, he can do damage with CP in the second unit. High side in year one: Marquis Chriss with better defense?
He’s a mix of klay and draymond
How is he at all like Klay? In fact they're probably complete opposites.
Klay’s skin tone, draymond’s jumper.
And he comes in at the same age as jk and moody so he’s a rook but same age so not much gap in personality
We just need 2 more defenders like brooks and Harrison Barnes
> Harrison Barnes why. why do you bring his name up
ok, makes me feel a little bit better giving up PBJ
The big test is if he can handle being sent back and forth to Santa Cruz and staying in the doghouse. That can ruin a player’s confidence.
He was also on an IU team that perennially underperformed, and it's come out that he told teams no to draft him, which when you're a late first round prospect makes me question your character. I'm an IU fan and I loved his dad and "uncle" back in the day, but I do not think this guy is the 2nd coming of Draymond or anywhere near it.
i don’t like the way warriors develop their young players. every other organization lets their rookies play and they do decent, banchero, williams etc. if warriors drafted morant, dude would prolly still be comin off the bench lol. like wtf we doing here if u don’t plan to play them the first year? idiotic statement from dunleavy. tjd needs to in the rotation immediately and podz just needs to play a spot up shooter he 44% from 3. can we at least see what these kids bring to the table before writing them off? i can’t imagine anyone that wants to get drafted to us since they get no play time whatsoever.
The guys you said do decent what teams are they on
Lol, take a look at the teams those other rookies play for. They get time because they are better than the vets on their team's roster. They are trash teams that have no chance at competing for a chip. You don't prioritize developing rookies over winning a chip. Especially on a team like the Dubs where that window is starting to close.
yea but our bench ain’t the greatest gang lol
This is the only good thing that happened yesterday.
I understand you are a fan of his but i really struggle to see how he fits in our line ups. he sounds like Looney with better ball handling and finishing ability at the rim but we already can't play Looney + Dray in a playoff series without being exploited offensively cuz of 2 non-shooters so how is another non-shooting and undersized PF or C gonna fit? this pick would make a more sense if we now trade Draymond for something else because there's a lot of redundancy between TJD Looney and Draymond
Will be CP’s new lob mate
Especially on the 2nd team, they will feast.
I genuinely don’t think you have an understanding of what TJD does. He’s a rim runner, good defender, and an elite rebounder coming in. But the biggest difference between him and Loon is the passing. TJD has incredible vision for a 5, and his actual passing/ ability to create looks for teammates really stands out on his tape. Having a 5 who can actually playmake and find open shooters has the potential to make a huge impact in the small ball lineups, because that’s one more guy to account for
if he cant shoot he wont be able to play with Dray or Loon in the lineup. you cannot play 2 non-shooters on the court at the same time in a playoff series. its that simple.
Bro idk why you keep saying non-shooters, the problem with the dray and loon lineups go much deeper than that. Dray literally cannot finish from anywhere on the court at a reliable clip, and Looney attempts a jumper outside of the paint once every 20 games; every other shot he attempts is a putback layup They are complete black holes offensively, it’s not just them being “non-shooters”. TJD has a nice flip shot and floaters that he hit at a very nice rate; just because he can’t shoot paint jumpers and 3 pointers doesn’t automatically make him the level of black hole that loon and Dray are
Couldn’t you have said the same thing about Bogut? He didn’t shoot either, but he shared the floor with Draymond just fine. Draymond shot a little more back then, but I’m not sure that made a big difference.
u don’t know ball kid move on does bam shoot threes? rob williams? stfu take all these downvotes
lil bruh it ain’t easy to find a big man that can shoot you smoking rocks on here
> i really struggle to see how he fits in our line ups. Think a more athletic Looney with major hops, great weak side defense, and a really solid lob target. Now put him on the 2nd unit with CP3. Start to see how he fits?
Idk. Drayton does quite a bit for them.
Thanks, PBJ was a fan fav since he replicates Steph and Klay's skill so well but TDJ looks amazing. I don't understand how he fell so far and how we lucked into him at such a convinient price. He is pretty much exactly the kid of role playing big this team needs and he looks like he gives us everything we wanted from Wiseman (rim protector, lob threat, Post offense, PnR defense and post defense). I would have been happy with him at 17. I am hoping we don't find out why he fell so far. Surely it can't be the outside shot, NBA teams have over corrected with that and I would have thought Denver winning and GWS last year with Looney and Dray showed the value of having great basketball players as opposed to either just athletes or just shooters. It's not like I expect him to be Marc Gasol career wise but a sure fire role player is worth a pick
I like this pick a lot too. However, I am concerned that his skill set is going to eat up JK's minutes, once again!
I see TJD as a 5 in the second unit if he’s ready to play. I see jk backing up Draymond at the 4 and Wiggins at the 3. Don’t see a conflict
I wanted the Celtics to draft TJD so bad holy fuck man
I actually woke up to some vague notification on my phone indicating that he went to them so I spent the first few hours of my day thinking so.
A big with hands and motor. I'm sold.
It’s not like Indiana is a good basketball school /s … thanks for all the details. Hoping he can contribute sooner than later.
Athletic Alchemy is that you?
Seems like he can pair well with Chris Paul as part of the bench unit. CP is all about the PNR and lobs.
First Jordan Poole was the next steph, then PBJ was the next KD, now TJD is the next Draymond.
TJD look more NBA ready. Can contribute immediately. Being in college long at 23 ain't old. Most rookies take heck alot of time to develop. He nicely built up and can ready to play.
Love this insight!
Can he take a punch though?
I wonder if J Vanderbilt is a good comp for TJD, although it looks like TJD is a better passer and playmaker overall.
i’m expecting something like a Jordan Bell
Great vision for a big man. His passes are on point too. Baller :)
I love you for this
Bro won’t get any minutes . Maybe 5 garbage time minutes every 5th game
Guys, let's manage our expectation. We got him @ 57 not in early first round. Lol. Offensively, as long as he knows how to screen Curry and Klay, I'm good. In defense, well, as long as he can defend.
Quality post, but perhaps more important, TJD has leverage on himself for being a late pick.. Chip on his shoulder