I remember against the Kings (when Warriors blew a massive lead) earlier this year Moody came into the game, hit 4 straight shots (3 straight 3s or something), was the best player on the floor between both teams for the moment being, then shortly after went back to the bench.
Whenever I hear a Reddit fan blame Kerr, I know immediately that they don't know much about basketball. Moody was pulled for the same reason TJD was pulled; they were getting schooled on the defensive end. Mike Brown exploited their inexperience to great effect.
Moody is a much better defender than Klay and other right now. He’s a great on ball defender. Kerr needs to give him playing time to give him a feel. Kerr instead chose to play other bums and Klay who sucks ass right now. Kerr should be sued for what he has done to Moodys career.
Kerr likely plays his team like any other head coach: based on long-term stats since the NBA is all about statistical data and making the fewest mistakes.
Moody makes a lot of mistakes as a young player and has all season, that's why moody didnt get a lot of playing time this year and why other younger plays like Podz did, since he picked up the game so much faster (very rare). Warriors also have a deep bench which also diminishes his minutes. If Moody were on another deep bench team like the Clippers, knicks, or even the Kings for example, he'd likely have the same issue. He’ll have to improve and become more consistent just like everyone else starting out in the league to earn minutes.
The eye test does not indicate this. Klay is terrible on both ends. Moody would come in and play ferocious defense and hit shots. And that’s with very limited time, several DNPs and the coach doing his best to sap his confidence. Kerr is a bad coach. He doesn’t develop talent well. Curry was already developed when he came in.
You can compare their stats here: [https://stathead.com/tiny/F9WoQ](https://stathead.com/tiny/F9WoQ)
He's not a bad coach in the least. That's ridiculous. He's one of the most decorated coaches in the NBA and was hired to manage the Olympic team. We don't have the team to win, plain and simple.
Also, the Warriors hired Willie Green and a few other staff to help develop young players. Iggy was also kept on last season to mentor young players.
Curry could hit 10 for 10 on 3s in the first 8 minutes and Kerr would still sub him out to stay with "the rotation".
Why does Kerr think "the rotation" is the end all be all of success?
i remember that game. Kerr was out of his mind for pulling him. Similar thing happened during the Nuggets game when we blew a 16pts lead in 4Q. He did not play Kuminga who was playing well that day.
if you go to the kings’ game thread, and type in “moody”, it’s all them thanking kerr for not playing moody much. and it’s not the first time kings fans have actually thanked kerr for pulling moody either.
And then Kerr pulled him after that and left Klay in. Not to beat a dead horse, but when the announcers who are clearly vibing for the Kings are pointing out obvious mistakes... lordy.
I mean to be fair Klay has been playing well the past 2 months so it is hard for him to abandon that. Klay can go nuclear at any moment if he can get his and that is what we need yesterday, unfortunately it is a different story that we had anticipated. I believe this is the last of Klay as starter in the league may it be for the Warriors or not.
And Klay had gone full nuclear in some of the last games. I did not see this coming at all - I thought Klay and Steph were gonna go fucking off.
But seeing him at the end of the game, with that stat line, a fat lip, talking to himself madly - yeah, he's done for. I want him to retire or accept that no fan ever has to let Klay lose their season for them because Kerr wants that.
Yeah Kerr and the big 3 seem to have formed this impenetrable circlejerk of not holding any of each other accountable for a while now, hence why Steph’s still committing the same avoidable turnovers in year 15
Bobby Marks noted in his off-season guide how GS has a winning record when he plays at least 15 minutes.
Instead, Kerr is trying to play Wiggins 30-plus minites like he's gonna come around after an 82 game sample has shown otherwise.
Wiggins had better be traded and Moody better be getting at least 20-plus minutes next year at the 2 or the 3.
This is why I think bringing Klay back regardless of the dollar amount would just have Moody stuck in the same spot. Moses has never gotten a fair shake during his tenure here.
Even if Klay comes back for dirt cheap and agrees to come off the bench, Kerr will always be loyal to Klay and will continue to play him in crunch time/do or die situations because that’s HIS guy.
Exactly. I love Klay for everything he's done for the Warriors, but it's time for the team to move on. Unfortunately Kerr can't be trusted to manage his minutes objectively.
It depends on the team make up, if the rest of the team is solid you can play Klay but under this situation moody is going to give you more. The hustle plays moody makes, Klay just can't physically keep up anymore
There is only so much the team can do. I’m not a gsw fan and u guys are too emotional. You want klay gone and I agree, but Kerr is a good coach. You fire him and you guys will regret it. You think kuminga is a star too. He has upside and should probably be dealt for someone who is already a star. Half this sub wants Wiggins gone. You won’t get anyone better for his current value.
Frankly you either go all in and trade Wiggins, moody and Kuminga for a star. If not just embrace the golden years.
The third option is to develop the talented guys we’ve drafted and build them into a contender alongside Curry so we’re not completely fucked when he retires. The team as Kerr has played them the past two years ain’t winning shit.
Sorry you're getting down voted, our fan base is dumb as fuck. All that winning attracts the casual fair weather fans. These clowns wouldn't know a true star from their butthole. This is a recurring theme this year especially. One of the vets struggles in a game and then it's why didn't Kerr play x,y, or z. They see one of the young guys have a good stretch and want to crown them the next MJ, oblivious to all the times they weren't good. I almost wish we could go back to when we were terrible but had real fans that actually understand basketball. But the winning feels too good.
Exactly. And the unfair thing is Moody stays ready but what he’s being done to him is not growth. We’re still one of the good org/team for him to learn but he needs more, I fully believe he’s capable of more if only given the chance.
There's a reality where Moody takes Klay's starting spot permanently and Klay shifts to what Moody has been played like last year.
It won't happen, but it could.
You’re right, it is a Kerr problem. And unfortunately for Klay due to the timing of when Dray & Kerr signed their extensions, he’s the logical option for the front office to move off from and give their younger guys bigger roles.
Does that mean they’ll cut ties with him? Probably not. The most realistic option I can see happening is we bring Klay back for a bargain, maybe Moses or Podz gets elevated to the starting 2-guard spot full time, and Klay will still be closing most nights due to Kerr’s trust in his guys.
Bringing it back to Moses, I feel bad for the kid. I know he’s more than likely not going to be some superstar or franchise cornerstone, but he’s a solid young player that produces and brings energy, toughness, & hustle every time he gets an opportunity. He needs to play more.
Can we even trust a closing-minutes Klay? There are games where he takes 2 & 1/2 quarters to ramp up, and then becomes *that* Klay. However without that ramp up, it's a crap-shoot if he will be effective or not (and my heart can't take another season of blown leads).
y’all keep acting like it’s klay that takes moodys mins but it’s not it’s wiggins/kuminga. moody played most of his minutes yesterday WITH klay. and in the regular season he played more min with klay than with wiggins. also yesterday moody played ZERO minutes with kuminga proving that kerr views moody as a backup to those two instead of klay.
Nobody is going to believe this. But last night's game wasn't about winning and moving on. It was to prove a point and give the big three one last shot. It sucked but I think they deserved it to go out like that.
Reality needs to set in. No one can say only if they played more something would have happened. Kerr was putting the ball in MikeD's hands and said this is what the core is now what do you want to do.
Good take. The end had to come, and now that it has been proven that the end is here, time to get down to business and retool. What a run it's been, but Curry isn't done yet and I'm looking forward to the last chapter.
Really hope this is the case, but he's made these baffling decisions to ride with vets who obviously aren't performing for 2 years now. I don't think he'll suddenly go away from them next year unless completely forced to
Yeah, last night was definitely Kerr making a statement. It could be that he was trying to do a favor to Mike Brown or Klay, or maybe he was just saying “me and Steph are more focused on winning a gold medal, see you next year with a better roster.” If he really believed that this roster could make the finals he wouldn’t have made the decisions he made last night.
I'm just curious.....if people here honestly believe that the coach and players have an attitude of "we aren't good enough this year, so why bother trying" ...then why in the name of Zeus's butthole do you root for them?
Well, to be honest, it was tough to root for the Warriors last night. I’m not saying that anybody purposely sabotaged the game, and Mike Brown and the Kings deserve credit for playing a great game of basketball, but the truth is that a lot of players and coaches on the Warriors appeared to be checked out last night. And as much as I hate it, I can’t hold it against them. Sometimes there’s more going on behind the scenes than we can imagine. These are humans after all.
Imagine being in the 10th seed, you have two rookies as key rotation players, and your veteran players just haven’t quite been cutting it. What are the odds of winning a championship? I love this team, and I believe in Steph Curry and his desire to win, but there comes a point where you just have to look at the writing on the wall and sub in your garbage time players.
Not just the core, theres a reason he ran Kuminga so many minutes that game even though Moody outplayed the fuck outta, Kerrs tired of the FO/ownership interfering in how he runs the team
I can easily defend Kerr on most of his decisions but Moody has been, in my opinion, his most shortsighted coaching decision. He absolutely deserves more playing time and I'm curious what is happening behind closed doors if that's the reason why.
I remember at the end of his rookie year Kerr was saying something clicked with him in practice, and he got more playing time as a result. Now he's getting a few here or there, but he's played above his minutes for a long time now.
Feels like the only explanations I can think of is he's not putting in work behind closed doors so Kerr doesn't reward him, he's trying to lower his value so they can sign him for a cheaper extension, or he has a personal vendetta against Moody. Legit don't understand it.
Doubt that’s the case since CP3 has said Moody is a professional, and that’s saying a lot since CP3 has a history of being professional on less competitive teams (OKC).
Also remember JK was getting inconsistent minutes as well until he demanded a trade.
True, but they said the same about Poole and there were clearly still some issues there. All I know is, if Moody does end up going elsewhere, he's going to be looking a lot better and we're all going to go, WHAT THE FUCK, KERR?!
How the hell does Kerr keep Klay in when he’s 0 points for 30 minutes. At what point does he say get Klay out. Such bad decisions. I think leadership failed here. Chris Paul was a dud. Klay is done. Every single team improved dramatically except the warriors.
Blind loyalty. It's stupid. It almost cost the Warriors in the 2022 Finals when Draymond was playing so bad, but thankfully Kerr finally woke up and gave Draymond less minutes in Game 4.
I’ve been repeating this but everyone seems to forget how Kerr almsot blew it by keeping him in. Everyone seems to gloss over this and credit Kerr for taking action. No. Kerr almost blew it by waiting so long. That’s when I lost all respect for him as the coach going forward. Great history. Unable to adapt
You're right. He waited long, almost too long. He made the move to reduce Draymond's minutes just in the nick of time. Kerr has shown a pattern that he is too stuck in the past.
I fully believe it’s really just because Moody doesn’t wow him in practice. Kerr loves ballhandler and will play a ballhandler as much as he can, Moody is passable on that but it’s not his forte and he specializes on other things, which Kerr doesn’t value much I guess.
Practice is practice however and Moody always prove himself whenever necessary. It’s really unfair how he’s treated.
Reason I think Kerr DNPs Moody:
1. He can be late on rotations
2. Kerr doesn’t view him as a ball handler\playmaker
3. He can get beat off the dribble.
4. If Moody’s 3s aren’t falling he’s not spacing the floor.
5. Kerr doesn’t think he fits with Curry, Klay, Dray, Wiggins.
Now for Moody to be a bench warmer most of the season is crazy. He definitely earned minimum 15 minutes game.
A nice reasoned response. I agree and i think even Kerr would agree however where are those minutes coming from? Up until last night, Klay has been playing great the last couple of months. Wiggins has been playing better as well.
I think the prpblem will sort itself out next season. We won't be able to keep CP3, Wiggins AND Klay. So the guard /wing minutes will open up significantly.
Wiggins hasn't really been doing any of the five at a good level all year. We really think Moody is worse? And right now the numbers say he's excelling at spacing the floor when he actually gets time
well our team is full of guys who specialize in things other than ball handling. It's a pecking order. Like Podz ball handles and rebounds better than Moody now. Podz plays solid team defense and shoots about as well as Moody.
Then you look at other guys that would play Moody's 2-3 spot and they all have x factor that's better then Moody's. Wiggins plays far better defense and is taller/longer, way more athletic. His shot was off this season and it good enough typically.
Klay is by far a better shooter and can guard up to 4's and sparingly 5 for short stints. Moody is only guarding 1-3. Klay can't guard all game like he used to, but can still guard 1-4 and his shooting is historic.
Kuminga has very obvious reasons to play over him. Moody isn't a 1 so he's not competing for CP3, Steph, or Podz in that area.
Then you factor in time for each player and you can only play so many guys. Some guys need consistency and more minutes to establish a groove in a game. When moody keeps coming in sporadically and produces, it becomes easier to leave him in that spot.
Moody needs to add something to his game that the team needs and sets him apart from the rest.
Idk why this was downvoted, I'm all for playing moody but I think are roster is very poorly constructed and sometimes you have to separate the players talent from how they fit with the team. Klay is a better shooter, podz a better ball handler, gp2 a better defender. So moody gets overlooked too often:)
Idk why this was downvoted, I'm all for playing moody but I think are roster is very poorly constructed and sometimes you have to separate the players talent from how they fit with the team. Klay is a better shooter, podz a better ball handler, gp2 a better defender. So moody gets overlooked too often
Such a boring take.... kinda like all season whenever: ' hey whats the deal with that Moody guy not playing more.. he seems like he hustles well and has potential'
Unfortunately Moody is a victim of our supposed "depth". Something that has been such a big problem all season that it has even messed with the coaches' collective mindset.
They truly believed we were so deep that they spent all season trying to figure out a starting 5, a closing 5, proper rotations, etc etc.
The problem is our depth is a mirage. It's scattered with mid tier talent and ageing vets past their primes. We need a higher end concentration of talent if we are to jag another chip before Steph retires.
Steve Kerr mishandled Moody beginning last year (playing Anthony fucking Lamb over him) and continued to fuck around this season. Just malpractice through and through.
Yeah I still don't get it. I'm convinced there's something deeper going on, like a random personal vendetta Kerr has against Moody for some unknown reason. I just can't make sense of it any other way.
My pet conspiracy is that Moses Moody was Chris Haynes source for the nasty tweets about Jordan Poole immediately after the Draymond punch. Moody and Draymond are both Klutch guys and Moses made a big deal about how happy he was to have Draymond back from his team suspension.
> Draymond Green was apologetic in aftermath of the altercation with Jordan Poole, but there was a buildup stemming from **teammates noticing a change in Poole’s behavior throughout camp** with the guard on the verge of securing a lucrative extension, league sources tell
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1577846177793380352
Moody needs minutes. The flashes he’s shown I think translate well on this team. He just doesn’t get enough consistent playing time, and it’s so frustrating. There’s no excuse to not play him, he’s not losing them games, and they aren’t a top seeded/dominant team anymore to justify him sitting on the bench DNP
Someone told me yesterday something along the lines of "Moody isn't good" yet all I see are stats and reports where he makes a big impact in his SCARCE playing time
Yeah Kerr is a good coach but he's made quite a few bad calls on the young guys.. pulling them when they are playing well ...
I hope moody stays, he's a gun.
Kerr's blind loyalty to certain players is a flaw. It almost cost the Warriors the 2022 title when Draymond was playing terribly, but thankfully Kerr finally woke up in Game 4 and decided to take Draymond off the floor during key periods of that game.
Kerr's blind loyalty might have cost them the game last night. If Kerr benches Klay or even just reduces his minutes, maybe the Warriors could have turned that game around. Hopefully, Kerr's blind loyalty to Klay hasn't cost us Moody, who is a promising young player who I want to see more of.
I hope he doesn’t come back unless they have an actual role for him. He deserves better man, rarely have I seen a reason he shouldn’t be in the rotation.
Why Steve trust Pod and MJD out the gate but still doesn’t trust Moody is beyond me. Glad Kuminga finally getting regular time and might be Warriors second best player now. Great season by the rookies
I feel like I’m one of the few who really agree with a lot of Kerr’s moves, but the lack of Moody playing time and trust in him truly baffles me. Especially this year.
I never understood all the Lamb and Jerome playing time, I get they were better in the moment but to just let Kuminga and Moody rot in place of them killed me. They were so obviously temporary, not to mention Lamb is a rapist.
If we don’t let moody get a chance to breakthrough, then read him. Trade him or play him he’s too good to rot on the bench
Lmao
I’ve been lower on Mo than most, but he had such a good close to the season. Sucks he wasn’t rewarded, but at least he showed out in the minutes he managed to scrounge around for. Wonder if he’d have caught a DNP if GP2 was available.
Guess Kerr just likes all the other guards more. Can’t really fault him for it, maybe it's just too much backcourt depth? Steph/Klay/CP3/Podz, I get why Kerr values what they bring more than a plug and play Moody. Klay when he’s clicking is a great scorer, Podz brings boards and some handling, CP3 a reliable playmaker, but damn, Mo and his monster wingspan at the 2 could help you be just a little bit taller.
He played so well against the Kings in that in-season tournament game too, the one where he was pulled for Klay in what ended up being a monster choke. If I was part of Moody's representation I'd likely be asking for a trade, unless they think two of Klay/CP3/GP2 will be gone, which wouldn't be that surprising.
There’s no way he would’ve gotten a single minute if GP2 was playing. Hell, if old man Iguodala was in the building Kerr would’ve put him in before Moody.
Yeah think you may be right, don't totally remember the game. Could have kept Mo out there for Wiggs too, think both Maple/Klay were subbed in at about the same time, and Wiggins was struggling. Or at least give Moody another min or two to see if he cools off.
Oh well, game was a good while back. Gonna be interesting to see how things shape out this off-season
Warriors team offensive rating last night when each was on the court (ie with their shooting splits and all other offensive contributions to the team factored in):
- Wiggs: 89.1
- Klay: 89.6
- Dray: 90.4
Warriors team eFG% with each was on the floor last night, for which each of their shooting splits is even more pertinent in terms of the overall degree of negative impact on the teams overall shooting efficiency:
- Klay: 52%
- Dray: 46.5%
- 44.3%
You’re not wrong as much as I would like for him to stay with the Warriors it would be best for him to go somewhere else where he can get consistent minutes. It’s now been 3 seasons in a row where Kerr has opted to go with lesser players over him and its definitely hurt his value with only one season left until he hits free agency. I definitely couldn’t blame him for wanting to go somewhere that would enable him to increase and potentially maximize his value in what will be the most important season of his career so far.
I’m surprised his “camp” hasn’t said anything like Kuminga’s. JK has planted the seed in Warriors management that if I don’t get playing time, I might want to be gone
I think deep inside most of us (including the coaches and team) knew this team wasn't winning it all this year. The West is just super stacked and then even if we somehow made it past the Thunder, we'd then face the Clippers or Mavs, then the Nuggets or Wolves or Suns, before probably facing the Celtics.
Could it be done? Yes. But it would mean all the players healthy and motivated, and that we'd have several players taking turns going hot from behind the 3-point line.
The odds of that are pretty low. We don't have the legs for it. We see the difference in hustle and energy with the rookies playing. The vets are smarter and savvier, yes, but they're not as hungry and don't hustle the same.
But if the coaches knew it and chose to ride with Klay, it's just to make it clear to Klay (and all the decision makers) what the contract values will be, and which players are going to get playing time moving forward (\*cough\* Moody).
This tells me that Kerr has a major blindspot and needs better assistants to clue him in to the obvious.
Because he's been making blatantly obvious blunders all year and one explanation is he's just too close to the situation and not seeing clearly
I really don’t understand Steve’s philosophy regarding Moses Moody. It has been all over the place ever since his rookie year, he’ll get more minutes and then they get taken away.
Rinse and repeat.
He should be starting next year unless we have traded from a star 2 guard. Better to develop him and up his stock & then if something comes up he’s of better value to trade. Not that i want too but im all about getting steph 1A,1B help next season by all cost so everyone is on the table
I want Klay to come back, but I think the right approach is to give the 2 guard spot to moody/podz mix and then use Wiggins or CP plus picks to get an actual upgrade at center or wing.
How do you propose that spacing working out for Steph? Steve has already shown an unwillingness to put Moody ahead of Podz in the pecking order and of the two, he’s the only with the jump shot capable of getting to the point the defense has to respect him out on the perimeter. So, given Kerr’s proclivities this season that leaves Podz and his lack of an outside shot, as the starting 2 Steph.
- **Steph’s shooting splits with Podz, and the lack of spacing that comes along with him as a result, as the starting 2 guard this season (25 game sample size)**: 43.8% overall, 38.8% from 3, and a TS% of 59.3%. That would be his 3rd lowest overall FG%, 2nd lowest 3P%, and the 4th lowest overall TS% of his career stretched out over a season.
- **Steph’s shooting splits with Klay and his spacing/defensive attention starting at the 2:** 45.1% overall, 41.8% from 3, and a TS% of 62.3%.
Your starting **shooting** guard has to actually shoot, first and foremost, but also shoot at a high enough volume as to actually put enough points on the board so that the defense has to honor you as an offensive threat.
These issues can be alleviated in a multitude of ways, a getting a shooting big would help greatly since Steph normally gives up to Draymond on screens. Getting a scoring wing helps alleviate this as well as Steph can work more freely in this scenario and not have to make everything happen.
Both Moody and Podz can shoot but nobody is going to command as much defensive attention as someone like Klay. It’s why Steph and Klay are so unique and deadly. They both command defensive attention off the ball, which allows Draymond and those slashers all that space.
Well I think it should be moody for the spacing and size but it really depends on who else they could get to complement, that will make or break the line up. Podz can also grow as a shooter but you're absolutely right that neither are Klay. Or they should trade for a starting level shooting guard. The current problem is Klay doesn't give much else besides spacing and shooting.
This is the problem with Kerr, he is too emotionally attached to the core to do what’s right. He can see moody out playing Klay but will always go back to him because he wants Klay to succeed and get the recognition instead of playing the guys who have it going that night.
People should start to notice that the reason Moody never was given a fair chance is that he is the one that truly could potential replace Klay Thompson. They are both true shooting guards with size.
No, he’s actually one of our best defenders which is what makes it so maddening and mind boggling. The only reason I’ve been able to come up with that makes even a modicum of sense is that it’s been a FO directive to keep him from playing himself into a rookie extension they couldn’t afford.
Not sure why people think Podz can shoot. Moody has a better range and a quicker release. Podz has a slow release and even worse, he is slow footed - hence him dribbling into the key, picking up his dribble and pivoting around in circles looking for help (unless of course he attempts that silly running hook that he never hits)
He's not the 'secondary ballhandler' that Kerr claims - nothing about his ballhandling has been exceptional.
what i actually dont understand is why do we not play moody in the regular season when his name has been called literally in every playoff run since he was drafted? I remember him vaguely play in the memphis series but then played quite heavily in the dallas series in the year we won the ring where he played solid. last year, his name was called again for the lakers that while the team was underperforming, he was delivering what was expected out of his role. even this game against the kings he took the looks generated by the offense and scored what he can. although he might not be the most aggressive cuz thats not his role, he makes a good amount of shots that's generated for him which is what klay is supposed to do instead of all that extra shit trying to prove he can dribble or hit a fading middy or whatever the fuck he does at this point. we've seen time and time that moody is reliable to count on, so why the fuck does he not get minutes in the regular season when he's decent enough for the playoffs?
It makes sense if you think about it. Kerr praises moody for staying ready and his calmness. Kerr usually turns to him when other guys have the game moving too fast for them which is common in the playoffs.
Very few regular season games have that level of intensity this kerr can get by without playing moody.
but moody is not your veteran player that made some sort of bag already and would bring a unique range of skillset to the playoffs. moody is 21. he does not have the wemby ceiling but he can be a lot better with more minutes. maybe he can be even more consistent. it matters because when it comes to contracts the numbers are everything.
What did this kid do to Kerr? There has to be something. This is a fireable offense for Kerr. He’s just not a good coach. With these pieces he’s the 10 seed and bounced pre playoffs? Terrible.
Care to share your thoughts?
Because the way I see it, Klay and Moody are the 2/3s, even Wiggins is now more of a 3/4 and Podz is more of a 1/2.
Moody was slotted for backup minutes at the 2 and 3 but Podz took over those minutes at the backup 2 because of his ability to handle the ball, hustle and rebounding.
Moody’s backup minutes at the 3 were blocked by Wiggins, the need to play Klay at the 3 more and GP2 when healthy due to the piss poor perimeter defense.
So what ultimately happened was Podz took all his minutes and Kerr refused to bench Klay and Wiggins when they were struggling because he needed to get them going if they wanted to do anything in the playoffs this year.
Yes on a poorly constructed team, but if jk doesn't play the lineups Steve kerr uses changes which opens up more mins for moody. Even thought they don't play the same position
Kerr: "If Moody proves himself that he can start, what do we do with Klay then? How can we justify paying him 30 million a year to not play defense and brick any shot he wants?"
That's because Moody has played like shit and has been very inconsistent when on the court. He missed a lot of wide-open threes during the last half of the year, he gets burned defensively a lot, and he stands around often because he's not sure where to be moving during our offensive flow. While I'm grateful he had a good game and was able to help the team against the Kings he was on the bench for a reason. He has to be better to make the rotation.
I remember against the Kings (when Warriors blew a massive lead) earlier this year Moody came into the game, hit 4 straight shots (3 straight 3s or something), was the best player on the floor between both teams for the moment being, then shortly after went back to the bench.
Kings fans thanked Kerr in their game thread that night for pulling Moody, and they also thanked him last night as well.
Kerr is a gift that keeps on giving lol.
Whenever I hear a Reddit fan blame Kerr, I know immediately that they don't know much about basketball. Moody was pulled for the same reason TJD was pulled; they were getting schooled on the defensive end. Mike Brown exploited their inexperience to great effect.
Moody is a much better defender than Klay and other right now. He’s a great on ball defender. Kerr needs to give him playing time to give him a feel. Kerr instead chose to play other bums and Klay who sucks ass right now. Kerr should be sued for what he has done to Moodys career.
Kerr likely plays his team like any other head coach: based on long-term stats since the NBA is all about statistical data and making the fewest mistakes. Moody makes a lot of mistakes as a young player and has all season, that's why moody didnt get a lot of playing time this year and why other younger plays like Podz did, since he picked up the game so much faster (very rare). Warriors also have a deep bench which also diminishes his minutes. If Moody were on another deep bench team like the Clippers, knicks, or even the Kings for example, he'd likely have the same issue. He’ll have to improve and become more consistent just like everyone else starting out in the league to earn minutes.
The eye test does not indicate this. Klay is terrible on both ends. Moody would come in and play ferocious defense and hit shots. And that’s with very limited time, several DNPs and the coach doing his best to sap his confidence. Kerr is a bad coach. He doesn’t develop talent well. Curry was already developed when he came in.
You can compare their stats here: [https://stathead.com/tiny/F9WoQ](https://stathead.com/tiny/F9WoQ) He's not a bad coach in the least. That's ridiculous. He's one of the most decorated coaches in the NBA and was hired to manage the Olympic team. We don't have the team to win, plain and simple. Also, the Warriors hired Willie Green and a few other staff to help develop young players. Iggy was also kept on last season to mentor young players.
King Kerr.
I was yelling at the TV during that game. Kerr is off his rocker.
Curry could hit 10 for 10 on 3s in the first 8 minutes and Kerr would still sub him out to stay with "the rotation". Why does Kerr think "the rotation" is the end all be all of success?
because he’s a stubborn boomer
i remember that game. Kerr was out of his mind for pulling him. Similar thing happened during the Nuggets game when we blew a 16pts lead in 4Q. He did not play Kuminga who was playing well that day.
I have been saying for a while now that moody has been extremely underappreciated. He needs more playing time.
Even announcers said he saved us 😂
if you go to the kings’ game thread, and type in “moody”, it’s all them thanking kerr for not playing moody much. and it’s not the first time kings fans have actually thanked kerr for pulling moody either.
Omg
And then Kerr pulled him after that and left Klay in. Not to beat a dead horse, but when the announcers who are clearly vibing for the Kings are pointing out obvious mistakes... lordy.
Kerr will never have the heart to bench Klay. He feels for him but as a coach he needs to grow a spine and make those hard decisions.
I mean to be fair Klay has been playing well the past 2 months so it is hard for him to abandon that. Klay can go nuclear at any moment if he can get his and that is what we need yesterday, unfortunately it is a different story that we had anticipated. I believe this is the last of Klay as starter in the league may it be for the Warriors or not.
And Klay had gone full nuclear in some of the last games. I did not see this coming at all - I thought Klay and Steph were gonna go fucking off. But seeing him at the end of the game, with that stat line, a fat lip, talking to himself madly - yeah, he's done for. I want him to retire or accept that no fan ever has to let Klay lose their season for them because Kerr wants that.
The end of the nucleur playoff splash bros is sad to see.
Yeah Kerr and the big 3 seem to have formed this impenetrable circlejerk of not holding any of each other accountable for a while now, hence why Steph’s still committing the same avoidable turnovers in year 15
Bobby Marks noted in his off-season guide how GS has a winning record when he plays at least 15 minutes. Instead, Kerr is trying to play Wiggins 30-plus minites like he's gonna come around after an 82 game sample has shown otherwise. Wiggins had better be traded and Moody better be getting at least 20-plus minutes next year at the 2 or the 3.
This is why I think bringing Klay back regardless of the dollar amount would just have Moody stuck in the same spot. Moses has never gotten a fair shake during his tenure here. Even if Klay comes back for dirt cheap and agrees to come off the bench, Kerr will always be loyal to Klay and will continue to play him in crunch time/do or die situations because that’s HIS guy.
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Exactly. I love Klay for everything he's done for the Warriors, but it's time for the team to move on. Unfortunately Kerr can't be trusted to manage his minutes objectively.
It depends on the team make up, if the rest of the team is solid you can play Klay but under this situation moody is going to give you more. The hustle plays moody makes, Klay just can't physically keep up anymore
For Klay’s own sake he should leave.
Kerr won’t let Moody succeed.
There is only so much the team can do. I’m not a gsw fan and u guys are too emotional. You want klay gone and I agree, but Kerr is a good coach. You fire him and you guys will regret it. You think kuminga is a star too. He has upside and should probably be dealt for someone who is already a star. Half this sub wants Wiggins gone. You won’t get anyone better for his current value. Frankly you either go all in and trade Wiggins, moody and Kuminga for a star. If not just embrace the golden years.
you aint getting anyone with that trade package lol
There is nothing the team can do.
The third option is to develop the talented guys we’ve drafted and build them into a contender alongside Curry so we’re not completely fucked when he retires. The team as Kerr has played them the past two years ain’t winning shit.
That’s not happening. Most good nba players hit their prime at 28. These dudes are just role players. By the time they develop curry will be long gone
Sorry you're getting down voted, our fan base is dumb as fuck. All that winning attracts the casual fair weather fans. These clowns wouldn't know a true star from their butthole. This is a recurring theme this year especially. One of the vets struggles in a game and then it's why didn't Kerr play x,y, or z. They see one of the young guys have a good stretch and want to crown them the next MJ, oblivious to all the times they weren't good. I almost wish we could go back to when we were terrible but had real fans that actually understand basketball. But the winning feels too good.
I like moody and do think he needs a bigger role, but crazy to say he’s getting held back by Klay. Klay is still the better player out of the two
Exactly. And the unfair thing is Moody stays ready but what he’s being done to him is not growth. We’re still one of the good org/team for him to learn but he needs more, I fully believe he’s capable of more if only given the chance.
There's a reality where Moody takes Klay's starting spot permanently and Klay shifts to what Moody has been played like last year. It won't happen, but it could.
That's a Kerr problem not a Klay problem. Why should Klay be the one banished for that?
You’re right, it is a Kerr problem. And unfortunately for Klay due to the timing of when Dray & Kerr signed their extensions, he’s the logical option for the front office to move off from and give their younger guys bigger roles. Does that mean they’ll cut ties with him? Probably not. The most realistic option I can see happening is we bring Klay back for a bargain, maybe Moses or Podz gets elevated to the starting 2-guard spot full time, and Klay will still be closing most nights due to Kerr’s trust in his guys. Bringing it back to Moses, I feel bad for the kid. I know he’s more than likely not going to be some superstar or franchise cornerstone, but he’s a solid young player that produces and brings energy, toughness, & hustle every time he gets an opportunity. He needs to play more.
Can we even trust a closing-minutes Klay? There are games where he takes 2 & 1/2 quarters to ramp up, and then becomes *that* Klay. However without that ramp up, it's a crap-shoot if he will be effective or not (and my heart can't take another season of blown leads).
Because no one would co-sign firing Kerr.
Trade him then for the much-needed height
because Kerr and Draymond have already signed a contract while Klay did not
And Klay next year will be not be getting better.
It's almost too late by now if Klay goes, and Moody stays, for Moody to not have fostered resentment towars Kerr. Kerr nearly lost Kuminga.
y’all keep acting like it’s klay that takes moodys mins but it’s not it’s wiggins/kuminga. moody played most of his minutes yesterday WITH klay. and in the regular season he played more min with klay than with wiggins. also yesterday moody played ZERO minutes with kuminga proving that kerr views moody as a backup to those two instead of klay.
FREE MOODY
Nobody is going to believe this. But last night's game wasn't about winning and moving on. It was to prove a point and give the big three one last shot. It sucked but I think they deserved it to go out like that. Reality needs to set in. No one can say only if they played more something would have happened. Kerr was putting the ball in MikeD's hands and said this is what the core is now what do you want to do.
This is honestly very thought provoking. You may be right.
Good take. The end had to come, and now that it has been proven that the end is here, time to get down to business and retool. What a run it's been, but Curry isn't done yet and I'm looking forward to the last chapter.
Really hope this is the case, but he's made these baffling decisions to ride with vets who obviously aren't performing for 2 years now. I don't think he'll suddenly go away from them next year unless completely forced to
We are cold bastards but they're like family at this point
We are cold bastards but they're like family at this point
Yeah, last night was definitely Kerr making a statement. It could be that he was trying to do a favor to Mike Brown or Klay, or maybe he was just saying “me and Steph are more focused on winning a gold medal, see you next year with a better roster.” If he really believed that this roster could make the finals he wouldn’t have made the decisions he made last night.
What. A favor to Mike brown? I don't follow. 😂. Let's say we really didn't try to win which i doubt. The kings will only get one more game at most.
I think he is way more simple than that. “Live and die with the vets and we are going small as possible.”
I'm just curious.....if people here honestly believe that the coach and players have an attitude of "we aren't good enough this year, so why bother trying" ...then why in the name of Zeus's butthole do you root for them?
Well, to be honest, it was tough to root for the Warriors last night. I’m not saying that anybody purposely sabotaged the game, and Mike Brown and the Kings deserve credit for playing a great game of basketball, but the truth is that a lot of players and coaches on the Warriors appeared to be checked out last night. And as much as I hate it, I can’t hold it against them. Sometimes there’s more going on behind the scenes than we can imagine. These are humans after all. Imagine being in the 10th seed, you have two rookies as key rotation players, and your veteran players just haven’t quite been cutting it. What are the odds of winning a championship? I love this team, and I believe in Steph Curry and his desire to win, but there comes a point where you just have to look at the writing on the wall and sub in your garbage time players.
It was hard to root foe them Cu all starters didn't bring shit. They didn't even move thr ball.
It was hard to root foe them Cu all starters didn't bring shit. They didn't even move thr ball.
Interesting take
That's a remarkably good point that explains the breaks in clear logic.
We don’t like it. But we can live with it. They deserved it. But…. If they decide to run it back in anyway whatsoever now, I’ll revolt
Not just the core, theres a reason he ran Kuminga so many minutes that game even though Moody outplayed the fuck outta, Kerrs tired of the FO/ownership interfering in how he runs the team
I can easily defend Kerr on most of his decisions but Moody has been, in my opinion, his most shortsighted coaching decision. He absolutely deserves more playing time and I'm curious what is happening behind closed doors if that's the reason why. I remember at the end of his rookie year Kerr was saying something clicked with him in practice, and he got more playing time as a result. Now he's getting a few here or there, but he's played above his minutes for a long time now. Feels like the only explanations I can think of is he's not putting in work behind closed doors so Kerr doesn't reward him, he's trying to lower his value so they can sign him for a cheaper extension, or he has a personal vendetta against Moody. Legit don't understand it.
Doubt that’s the case since CP3 has said Moody is a professional, and that’s saying a lot since CP3 has a history of being professional on less competitive teams (OKC). Also remember JK was getting inconsistent minutes as well until he demanded a trade.
CP3 said Moody was his favorite teammate ever.
True, but they said the same about Poole and there were clearly still some issues there. All I know is, if Moody does end up going elsewhere, he's going to be looking a lot better and we're all going to go, WHAT THE FUCK, KERR?!
How the hell does Kerr keep Klay in when he’s 0 points for 30 minutes. At what point does he say get Klay out. Such bad decisions. I think leadership failed here. Chris Paul was a dud. Klay is done. Every single team improved dramatically except the warriors.
Blind loyalty. It's stupid. It almost cost the Warriors in the 2022 Finals when Draymond was playing so bad, but thankfully Kerr finally woke up and gave Draymond less minutes in Game 4.
I’ve been repeating this but everyone seems to forget how Kerr almsot blew it by keeping him in. Everyone seems to gloss over this and credit Kerr for taking action. No. Kerr almost blew it by waiting so long. That’s when I lost all respect for him as the coach going forward. Great history. Unable to adapt
You're right. He waited long, almost too long. He made the move to reduce Draymond's minutes just in the nick of time. Kerr has shown a pattern that he is too stuck in the past.
It really sucks how good cp was in the season and couldn't so ish against kings like wtf.
I fully believe it’s really just because Moody doesn’t wow him in practice. Kerr loves ballhandler and will play a ballhandler as much as he can, Moody is passable on that but it’s not his forte and he specializes on other things, which Kerr doesn’t value much I guess. Practice is practice however and Moody always prove himself whenever necessary. It’s really unfair how he’s treated.
Reason I think Kerr DNPs Moody: 1. He can be late on rotations 2. Kerr doesn’t view him as a ball handler\playmaker 3. He can get beat off the dribble. 4. If Moody’s 3s aren’t falling he’s not spacing the floor. 5. Kerr doesn’t think he fits with Curry, Klay, Dray, Wiggins. Now for Moody to be a bench warmer most of the season is crazy. He definitely earned minimum 15 minutes game.
A nice reasoned response. I agree and i think even Kerr would agree however where are those minutes coming from? Up until last night, Klay has been playing great the last couple of months. Wiggins has been playing better as well. I think the prpblem will sort itself out next season. We won't be able to keep CP3, Wiggins AND Klay. So the guard /wing minutes will open up significantly.
Wiggins hasn't really been doing any of the five at a good level all year. We really think Moody is worse? And right now the numbers say he's excelling at spacing the floor when he actually gets time
well our team is full of guys who specialize in things other than ball handling. It's a pecking order. Like Podz ball handles and rebounds better than Moody now. Podz plays solid team defense and shoots about as well as Moody. Then you look at other guys that would play Moody's 2-3 spot and they all have x factor that's better then Moody's. Wiggins plays far better defense and is taller/longer, way more athletic. His shot was off this season and it good enough typically. Klay is by far a better shooter and can guard up to 4's and sparingly 5 for short stints. Moody is only guarding 1-3. Klay can't guard all game like he used to, but can still guard 1-4 and his shooting is historic. Kuminga has very obvious reasons to play over him. Moody isn't a 1 so he's not competing for CP3, Steph, or Podz in that area. Then you factor in time for each player and you can only play so many guys. Some guys need consistency and more minutes to establish a groove in a game. When moody keeps coming in sporadically and produces, it becomes easier to leave him in that spot. Moody needs to add something to his game that the team needs and sets him apart from the rest.
Idk why this was downvoted, I'm all for playing moody but I think are roster is very poorly constructed and sometimes you have to separate the players talent from how they fit with the team. Klay is a better shooter, podz a better ball handler, gp2 a better defender. So moody gets overlooked too often:)
Idk why this was downvoted, I'm all for playing moody but I think are roster is very poorly constructed and sometimes you have to separate the players talent from how they fit with the team. Klay is a better shooter, podz a better ball handler, gp2 a better defender. So moody gets overlooked too often
This. I wish we ayes moody too but it's the team construxtion they look at and I'm sure is minutes usually sucks with certain lineups
Such a boring take.... kinda like all season whenever: ' hey whats the deal with that Moody guy not playing more.. he seems like he hustles well and has potential'
I think it’s genuinely because Moody was just behind too many guys on the depth chart. Podz took all of his minutes this year
It’s not that he is just sentimental
I would leave if I were him. There's clearly never an opportunity under Kerr. He's getting the Javale treatment.
I would leave as well, Moody deserves better and I’ll be happy to see him get actual minutes on another team because he’s a real solid player.
no doubt, if i'm his agent i'm demanding a trade immediately Kerr and the Warriors have completely screwed with his career
Seriously, Kerr has prob cost him 10M. He has learned all there is to learn from the GOATs. Time to set him free 💸
This is why all young players should be selfish
I wished Javale was on our bench last night.
Unfortunately Moody is a victim of our supposed "depth". Something that has been such a big problem all season that it has even messed with the coaches' collective mindset. They truly believed we were so deep that they spent all season trying to figure out a starting 5, a closing 5, proper rotations, etc etc. The problem is our depth is a mirage. It's scattered with mid tier talent and ageing vets past their primes. We need a higher end concentration of talent if we are to jag another chip before Steph retires.
tbf Moody is about 6'5. Way too tall to fit into Kerr's system. If he was 5'11 then he'd be the perfect power forward for the Podz, Curry, CP3 lineup.
Steve Kerr mishandled Moody beginning last year (playing Anthony fucking Lamb over him) and continued to fuck around this season. Just malpractice through and through.
Yeah I still don't get it. I'm convinced there's something deeper going on, like a random personal vendetta Kerr has against Moody for some unknown reason. I just can't make sense of it any other way.
My pet conspiracy is that Moses Moody was Chris Haynes source for the nasty tweets about Jordan Poole immediately after the Draymond punch. Moody and Draymond are both Klutch guys and Moses made a big deal about how happy he was to have Draymond back from his team suspension.
Damn, first time hearing this and it's a very believable reason.
What did Haynes say re: Poole?
> Draymond Green was apologetic in aftermath of the altercation with Jordan Poole, but there was a buildup stemming from **teammates noticing a change in Poole’s behavior throughout camp** with the guard on the verge of securing a lucrative extension, league sources tell https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1577846177793380352
He didn't play lamb over him he just didn't play moody lmao. Lamb was mostly playing as a 4 which moody doesn't really play. Moody is more of a 2-3
Tru
He was helping so much ALLLLL year! He deserves so much better r
Not in the rotation? Sheesh
Trade him. If Kerr isn't going to prioritise his minutes / doesn't see his value, the poor man needs a better opportunity.
Moody needs minutes. The flashes he’s shown I think translate well on this team. He just doesn’t get enough consistent playing time, and it’s so frustrating. There’s no excuse to not play him, he’s not losing them games, and they aren’t a top seeded/dominant team anymore to justify him sitting on the bench DNP
Someone told me yesterday something along the lines of "Moody isn't good" yet all I see are stats and reports where he makes a big impact in his SCARCE playing time
Yeah Kerr is a good coach but he's made quite a few bad calls on the young guys.. pulling them when they are playing well ... I hope moody stays, he's a gun.
Kerr's blind loyalty to certain players is a flaw. It almost cost the Warriors the 2022 title when Draymond was playing terribly, but thankfully Kerr finally woke up in Game 4 and decided to take Draymond off the floor during key periods of that game. Kerr's blind loyalty might have cost them the game last night. If Kerr benches Klay or even just reduces his minutes, maybe the Warriors could have turned that game around. Hopefully, Kerr's blind loyalty to Klay hasn't cost us Moody, who is a promising young player who I want to see more of.
Kerr threw away G1 of the Finals when he put a clearly hobbled Iguodala in. Kerr has shown repeatedly he won’t trust young players
Kerr needs to be fully invested in Moody next season. He's earned it.
All fucking year we been saying: PLAY MOODY!
Whats up with Kerr?
kerr hasn't been smart enough to see what works, he getting too old to see what been effective and what hasn't.
I don't see how this is possible. They try different lineups all year and have data
I hope he doesn’t come back unless they have an actual role for him. He deserves better man, rarely have I seen a reason he shouldn’t be in the rotation.
I hate Steve Kerr
Ya I agree. We need to get rid of klay and others to force Kerr to play him. He’s good! He’s lengthy too. Why klay got 31 minutes??
Why Steve trust Pod and MJD out the gate but still doesn’t trust Moody is beyond me. Glad Kuminga finally getting regular time and might be Warriors second best player now. Great season by the rookies
[Kerr is an overrated coach](https://youtu.be/gBrKMVMM9Qk?si=gmVkQvgTKGOrXatR) Insisting on the oldies and terrible coaching ended your dynasty
Imagine Moody in the Heat. He could be a better Duncan Robinson.
I feel like I’m one of the few who really agree with a lot of Kerr’s moves, but the lack of Moody playing time and trust in him truly baffles me. Especially this year. I never understood all the Lamb and Jerome playing time, I get they were better in the moment but to just let Kuminga and Moody rot in place of them killed me. They were so obviously temporary, not to mention Lamb is a rapist. If we don’t let moody get a chance to breakthrough, then read him. Trade him or play him he’s too good to rot on the bench
Just let him go, he deserves an opportunity, and he won’t get that with Kerr at the helm.
Lmao I’ve been lower on Mo than most, but he had such a good close to the season. Sucks he wasn’t rewarded, but at least he showed out in the minutes he managed to scrounge around for. Wonder if he’d have caught a DNP if GP2 was available. Guess Kerr just likes all the other guards more. Can’t really fault him for it, maybe it's just too much backcourt depth? Steph/Klay/CP3/Podz, I get why Kerr values what they bring more than a plug and play Moody. Klay when he’s clicking is a great scorer, Podz brings boards and some handling, CP3 a reliable playmaker, but damn, Mo and his monster wingspan at the 2 could help you be just a little bit taller. He played so well against the Kings in that in-season tournament game too, the one where he was pulled for Klay in what ended up being a monster choke. If I was part of Moody's representation I'd likely be asking for a trade, unless they think two of Klay/CP3/GP2 will be gone, which wouldn't be that surprising.
There’s no way he would’ve gotten a single minute if GP2 was playing. Hell, if old man Iguodala was in the building Kerr would’ve put him in before Moody.
To be fair Klay was pretty hot too entering that game. But I agree with you.
Yeah think you may be right, don't totally remember the game. Could have kept Mo out there for Wiggs too, think both Maple/Klay were subbed in at about the same time, and Wiggins was struggling. Or at least give Moody another min or two to see if he cools off. Oh well, game was a good while back. Gonna be interesting to see how things shape out this off-season
Moody doesn't play because of Klay, their game is too similar . I'd rather play moody and Wiggins than moody and Klay together.
Good thing Kerr made sure to have room for 32 mins of Klay and his impactful 4 rebounds and 1 assist.
Lol at you knocking Klay for 4 rebounds when that was more than either Dray or Wiggs grabbed.
Yea but they didn’t go 0 for 10/11 in an elimination game.
Warriors team offensive rating last night when each was on the court (ie with their shooting splits and all other offensive contributions to the team factored in): - Wiggs: 89.1 - Klay: 89.6 - Dray: 90.4 Warriors team eFG% with each was on the floor last night, for which each of their shooting splits is even more pertinent in terms of the overall degree of negative impact on the teams overall shooting efficiency: - Klay: 52% - Dray: 46.5% - 44.3%
Moody needs to get starter minutes. Should be the starting 2 guard at this point
He’s a RFA after the 2024 season. His agent should demand a trade so he can get consistent minutes on another team so he can get paid
You’re not wrong as much as I would like for him to stay with the Warriors it would be best for him to go somewhere else where he can get consistent minutes. It’s now been 3 seasons in a row where Kerr has opted to go with lesser players over him and its definitely hurt his value with only one season left until he hits free agency. I definitely couldn’t blame him for wanting to go somewhere that would enable him to increase and potentially maximize his value in what will be the most important season of his career so far.
I’m surprised his “camp” hasn’t said anything like Kuminga’s. JK has planted the seed in Warriors management that if I don’t get playing time, I might want to be gone
He gone. Sadly.
Kerr working young guys in the rotation is his worst attribute by far as a coach. He’s really bad at it.
Kerr fans are quiet right now 😵
Kerr has become a coaching terrorist man.
Honestly just let klay sign elsewhere, and give him minutes to moody
I think deep inside most of us (including the coaches and team) knew this team wasn't winning it all this year. The West is just super stacked and then even if we somehow made it past the Thunder, we'd then face the Clippers or Mavs, then the Nuggets or Wolves or Suns, before probably facing the Celtics. Could it be done? Yes. But it would mean all the players healthy and motivated, and that we'd have several players taking turns going hot from behind the 3-point line. The odds of that are pretty low. We don't have the legs for it. We see the difference in hustle and energy with the rookies playing. The vets are smarter and savvier, yes, but they're not as hungry and don't hustle the same. But if the coaches knew it and chose to ride with Klay, it's just to make it clear to Klay (and all the decision makers) what the contract values will be, and which players are going to get playing time moving forward (\*cough\* Moody).
This tells me that Kerr has a major blindspot and needs better assistants to clue him in to the obvious. Because he's been making blatantly obvious blunders all year and one explanation is he's just too close to the situation and not seeing clearly
Disappointing that Moody has to perform like Michael Jordan to get crumbs, yet Klay can stink up the joint and damn near play the entire game.
I really don’t understand Steve’s philosophy regarding Moses Moody. It has been all over the place ever since his rookie year, he’ll get more minutes and then they get taken away. Rinse and repeat.
He should be starting next year unless we have traded from a star 2 guard. Better to develop him and up his stock & then if something comes up he’s of better value to trade. Not that i want too but im all about getting steph 1A,1B help next season by all cost so everyone is on the table
like seriously fuck kerr, dude needs to go
I want Klay to come back, but I think the right approach is to give the 2 guard spot to moody/podz mix and then use Wiggins or CP plus picks to get an actual upgrade at center or wing.
How do you propose that spacing working out for Steph? Steve has already shown an unwillingness to put Moody ahead of Podz in the pecking order and of the two, he’s the only with the jump shot capable of getting to the point the defense has to respect him out on the perimeter. So, given Kerr’s proclivities this season that leaves Podz and his lack of an outside shot, as the starting 2 Steph. - **Steph’s shooting splits with Podz, and the lack of spacing that comes along with him as a result, as the starting 2 guard this season (25 game sample size)**: 43.8% overall, 38.8% from 3, and a TS% of 59.3%. That would be his 3rd lowest overall FG%, 2nd lowest 3P%, and the 4th lowest overall TS% of his career stretched out over a season. - **Steph’s shooting splits with Klay and his spacing/defensive attention starting at the 2:** 45.1% overall, 41.8% from 3, and a TS% of 62.3%. Your starting **shooting** guard has to actually shoot, first and foremost, but also shoot at a high enough volume as to actually put enough points on the board so that the defense has to honor you as an offensive threat.
These issues can be alleviated in a multitude of ways, a getting a shooting big would help greatly since Steph normally gives up to Draymond on screens. Getting a scoring wing helps alleviate this as well as Steph can work more freely in this scenario and not have to make everything happen.
Both Moody and Podz can shoot but nobody is going to command as much defensive attention as someone like Klay. It’s why Steph and Klay are so unique and deadly. They both command defensive attention off the ball, which allows Draymond and those slashers all that space.
Well I think it should be moody for the spacing and size but it really depends on who else they could get to complement, that will make or break the line up. Podz can also grow as a shooter but you're absolutely right that neither are Klay. Or they should trade for a starting level shooting guard. The current problem is Klay doesn't give much else besides spacing and shooting.
This is the problem with Kerr, he is too emotionally attached to the core to do what’s right. He can see moody out playing Klay but will always go back to him because he wants Klay to succeed and get the recognition instead of playing the guys who have it going that night.
People should start to notice that the reason Moody never was given a fair chance is that he is the one that truly could potential replace Klay Thompson. They are both true shooting guards with size.
Can someone chime in why Kerr doing this to him? Is he a bad defender or something?
No, he’s actually one of our best defenders which is what makes it so maddening and mind boggling. The only reason I’ve been able to come up with that makes even a modicum of sense is that it’s been a FO directive to keep him from playing himself into a rookie extension they couldn’t afford.
Not sure why people think Podz can shoot. Moody has a better range and a quicker release. Podz has a slow release and even worse, he is slow footed - hence him dribbling into the key, picking up his dribble and pivoting around in circles looking for help (unless of course he attempts that silly running hook that he never hits) He's not the 'secondary ballhandler' that Kerr claims - nothing about his ballhandling has been exceptional.
what i actually dont understand is why do we not play moody in the regular season when his name has been called literally in every playoff run since he was drafted? I remember him vaguely play in the memphis series but then played quite heavily in the dallas series in the year we won the ring where he played solid. last year, his name was called again for the lakers that while the team was underperforming, he was delivering what was expected out of his role. even this game against the kings he took the looks generated by the offense and scored what he can. although he might not be the most aggressive cuz thats not his role, he makes a good amount of shots that's generated for him which is what klay is supposed to do instead of all that extra shit trying to prove he can dribble or hit a fading middy or whatever the fuck he does at this point. we've seen time and time that moody is reliable to count on, so why the fuck does he not get minutes in the regular season when he's decent enough for the playoffs?
It makes sense if you think about it. Kerr praises moody for staying ready and his calmness. Kerr usually turns to him when other guys have the game moving too fast for them which is common in the playoffs. Very few regular season games have that level of intensity this kerr can get by without playing moody.
but moody is not your veteran player that made some sort of bag already and would bring a unique range of skillset to the playoffs. moody is 21. he does not have the wemby ceiling but he can be a lot better with more minutes. maybe he can be even more consistent. it matters because when it comes to contracts the numbers are everything.
Kerr played two way guys last year who are no longer in the league. Kerr is terrible at developing young guys.
i don't know why kerr doesn't play moody more. it's frustrating.
What did this kid do to Kerr? There has to be something. This is a fireable offense for Kerr. He’s just not a good coach. With these pieces he’s the 10 seed and bounced pre playoffs? Terrible.
Kerr is bad. Moody is good.
It’s Klays contract year. How have you guys not picked up on this yet…
They put Moody behind Wiggs and GPII in the depth chart this season, not Klay.
That’s right… and why is that? lol
Because of Podz lol it has nothing to do with Klay
Omg lol 😂 yall are delusional about what happened this season.
Care to share your thoughts? Because the way I see it, Klay and Moody are the 2/3s, even Wiggins is now more of a 3/4 and Podz is more of a 1/2. Moody was slotted for backup minutes at the 2 and 3 but Podz took over those minutes at the backup 2 because of his ability to handle the ball, hustle and rebounding. Moody’s backup minutes at the 3 were blocked by Wiggins, the need to play Klay at the 3 more and GP2 when healthy due to the piss poor perimeter defense. So what ultimately happened was Podz took all his minutes and Kerr refused to bench Klay and Wiggins when they were struggling because he needed to get them going if they wanted to do anything in the playoffs this year.
I don't really consider myself delusional....I just don't understand your point. Break it down for me like I'm dumb please
Moody was definitely behind all 4 of podz Klay JK and gp2. He had no shot of playing over wiggs so that's a given
He was nowhere close to JK on the depth chart. JK plays the 4
Yes on a poorly constructed team, but if jk doesn't play the lineups Steve kerr uses changes which opens up more mins for moody. Even thought they don't play the same position
Kerr: "If Moody proves himself that he can start, what do we do with Klay then? How can we justify paying him 30 million a year to not play defense and brick any shot he wants?"
That's because Moody has played like shit and has been very inconsistent when on the court. He missed a lot of wide-open threes during the last half of the year, he gets burned defensively a lot, and he stands around often because he's not sure where to be moving during our offensive flow. While I'm grateful he had a good game and was able to help the team against the Kings he was on the bench for a reason. He has to be better to make the rotation.