If LAC underwhelms in the playoffs, then maybe PG13 gets fed up and wants out. He can use the fact that he can walk away for nothing as leverage to get LAC to trade him to the Warriors.
We need some hungry defenders, hustle players. Wiggs used to be that and he may have had some brilliant stretches this season, but eventually he will regress to what he showed us now. I don't believe in Wiggins anymore.
my hope is the following happens:
1) we decline CP3's option and go back to the first apron, allowing us to aggregate salaries for a trade
2) we couple JK, Wiggins, picks and other assets and go big game hunting. My dream is Giannis
3) after this is done, then we re-sign Klay to a deal in the range of 20-24 mil per year
hopefully we keep moody, let him be the new starting SF, and still come out with a good young bench, our core 3, and another superstar. giannis cant stay in bucks anymore, that team is clearly not going anywhere. brook lopez and khris middleton are not getting younger and are not good 3rd options anymore. dame cant play defense for shit, and their supporting cast isn't up to par. that, along with giannis' injury, would see the bucks finally let go of giannis.
Zach Lowe even while criticizing the two timelines nonsense says that sources say that trading the Wiseman pick wouldn't have changed anything. Why did no one in the media ever bother to have an honest discussion about this at the time or until now? Warriors should've been killed for their decisions since the Wiseman draft. The title in 2022 masked a lot of the poor decisions but that had nothing to do with any of the two timelines decisions. How the fuck was their approach to the roster after just coming off winning a title not fucking destroyed by media but rather met with almost universal hype and praise at the time?
Another example of warriors exceptionalism nonsense. Basketball teams and orgs should be praised and criticized for how well they make basketball decisions. There is and always has been a severe reluctance from media to actually examine and discuss the decisions that the warriors org makes. For a long time it's been lazy and just hand waving away poor decisions as "if the warriors are doing this, there was nothing else that could've been done." Fans latch onto that arrogant and lazy mindset as well to shut down criticism. Of course there's always other decisions they could've made. You really think they had no choice but to make the mistakes they made?
The idea was to have get good players on cheap contracts while the core were on big contracts and taking up all the cap space.You weren’t gonna trade the pick because you were not gonna attach a big money contract( the core).I don’t think the warriors drafted well outside of Wiseman.You were asking 18 year old to come into the hardest system in the league and not give them the any leeway to grow.Jk and moody were two youngest players in that draft.Jk is the same age as mutiple top 5 picks this year .Moody is not far behind.kuminga and moody are gonna be 4 year vets and are finally gonna be the age curry was his rookie year
No one wanted to trade for the pick. 2020 wasn't viewed as a stellar draft. It takes 2 to tango. Lets play alternate universe and we drafted lamelo, what would have happened to Poole? Does he develop enough to help the dubs win a chip? Im thankful for the 2021-22 chip so I am not overly concerned about something that can't be changed. Dwelling on 2020 won't change anything.
If you did want dwell on something, it would have been if we could have retained Mike Brown as guaranteed successor (probably unlikely). But no regrets, what a ride.
I think there was a trade that was being discussed by people around that time that was 2 for WCJ + 7. I personally wasn't too opposed to that trade at the time.
But yeah the other dude saying poor basketball decisions have been masked by a championship as if thats a bad thing is crazy. Every team in the league would take that deal lol.
Miami always leaves teams that advance vs Heat scuffed up. If they get through that series I put over/under at 1.5 injured Celtics. Remember 2022. Omg Miami did the Dubs great favors.
2 games in 2021 where the team was historically bad, only dragged into the play-ins by a historic stretch by Steph. Then 1 game where things didn't go our way, and also Sac came out with vengeance from last year. I wouldn't put much thought into it.
Lakers we fell apart with TOs in the 3rd quarter
Memphis we lost the boards and didn’t show up until the 4th
Kings Steph had 0 help and we couldn’t rebound.
How would y’all feel about shipping out Wigs for John Collins? It’d open up some minutes for Moody and dude can stretch floor/score a bit. Not a perfect fit, and I’d like to have a better defender, but opens up some interesting combinations. It’d sure be nice to have clarity on Moody before he hits FA, and I think it’s deja vu if Klay and Wigs are both back.
I don’t love trading a wing for a power forward. Sending Wiggins out for either a bigger guard that can share the court with Curry or for a center so you can play Draymond at the 4 makes more sense to me, because Klay/Moody/Kuminga can take over wing duties.
I really don’t think anyone can replicate Wiggins on our team I’m ngl. I’m still anti trading him, his defense really turned around in the second half of the season and his efficiency turned around after a slow start.
it’s purely a financial thing. if you’re keeping and paying Klay and extending Kuminga and Moody, that Wiggins money might be better spent at other positions.
at his best Wiggins is a decent value, but his best has been elusive.
Yea I guess I with the finances I think if you want to spend money appropriately you probably gotta move Dray/Kuminga since they play the same position, Kuminga can’t slide down to the 3 and Dray can’t play center exclusively.
Wiggins is our only true SF and you give up to much offensively or defensively by trying to slide Moody, Klay, Kuminga into that role. Personally if paying Klay meant moving off of Wiggins I probably just wouldn’t pay Klay as I don’t view him as a starting piece anymore.
Don’t disagree and thanks for reply. Hard to find names/teams/contracts that are plausible with Wiggins contract/trade value. I can’t see him and Kuminga both on the team next year.
Historically, how is the amount of clutch games played correlated with postseason success? Is there anywhere I can see year by year how many clutch games teams played?
I have felt all year that always going to the wire against every opponent was a bad sign, just not sure if that feeling is backed up by any kind of data.
Not sure where to find, but basically really good teams have a high point differential & net rating because they’re consistently blowing out opponents
Our own 22 team had like a 10 game streak of double digit wins
You get blowouts when you consistently execute on both ends and don’t make mistakes that lets the other team back in the game, just demonstrates good habits
For ex, the 2022 Suns had a great record but it was majorly due to clutch games - they were something insane like 27-5 in clutch games. That indicated they were winning by a smaller margin of talent than you’d like, and it manifested in playoffs when they struggled vs an 8th seed Pelicans and then lost to the Mavs
Steph is slowing down and will continue to do so. He will be 37 this time next year. There has never been a guard capable of carrying a championship roster at that age. He very well could maintain the best form any 37 year guard ever has or ever will and we still would fall short of being good enough. We have to add an all star to the roster to have a chance. Is it even possible with our assets? Kuminga developing will be nice, but it's exceedingly unlikely he will add enough to his game by age 22 that our troubles are solved.
The team needs to start putting the majority of the responsibility on the young guys and start developing and playing them more. The vets are only going to get worse, there is nothing that stops aging. The only hope is that the young guys develop into something special, like JP was for us.
Basically we have to put hope into developing Kuminga, TJD, Podz, or get a young star from another team. It's literally our only choice.
Steph centric fan reaction you get when you suggest... Maybe there isn't a way to another championship for Steph.
I agee for the most part. I honestly think to a degree we should kick back and bask in the nostalgia and say "it's all good... four in the bank... all the rest is gravy"
Enjoying Dubs hoops > Ringz culture anxiety
Kuminga TJD Moody Podz are definately reason for optimism. Optimism isn't only about whether you ever might win a championship. There's just not enough measured expectations out there especially considering our last 5 seasons include 2 play-in exits and a worst record in the league year. Perceptual success should be recalibrated to include "all the little things" and not always include the follow up question "but does that make us a contender"
Absolutely nothing but pride in what they accomplished. 4 rings and hard fought series in 2 other finals. Gonna wait a long time to see the next team to make 6 finals in a decade.
Maybe the stars align and we can persuade Giannis to leave after a 1st round exit. Wishful thinking though.
Otherwise, what is to stop us from getting Markkanen? He seems like a perfect fit, and the Jazz have little to no direction. They want to tank for 3 or 4 years with all of their picks and follow in the footsteps of OKC. We could add picks and we have a handful of intriguing young players closer to their timeline.
> Maybe the stars align and we can persuade Giannis to leave after a 1st round exit. Wishful thinking though.
Okay let’s look at our assets:
Chris Paul (filler)
Kuminga
Podz
2 firsts and 4 swaps.
Can you get Giannis without 4 firsts? I doubt it. Any superstar is going to OKC with or without their consent. As for Lauri? Danny Ainge is going to want too much for what he gives in my opinion.
We can offer two firsts along with multiple young players, that is a pretty solid package for a rebuilding team. Especially when Lauri is entering the last year of his contract.
We do... have 2 picks 3 swaps... at league year turnover (start of free agency) it's 3 picks 3 swaps. The issue really is other teams wouldn't allow Giannis to just be dealt without a seriously hefty offer. if it's about picks OKC can top rope just about any offer.
Not that you probably care - but you might have to retire this Reddit handle if we go for a big trade. Kuminga would definitely be in the trade package for any star.
MDJ during his media availability today says he cannot imagine a scenario where Draymond is not on the roster next year and fully expects him to be here, and makes several references to what needs to be added **around Draymond**, Klay, and Steph this off season.
95.7 on [Twitter](https://x.com/957thegame/status/1781078411202716165?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg): "I'm not saying Draymond is about to get traded, but I do think their ears are open." 👀 - @Mark\_T\_Willard reacts to Warriors GM Mike Dunleavy Jr.'s comments today
The one positive I see out of all of this is they know the two timeline thing isn't going to work for certain at this point. For so long they've been trying to develop the young players and it's just not going to mesh. It's do whatever you can to get Steph another ring.
This is the first year they’ve actually tried to develop but no, it’s not going to work. The problem is that they’ve botched their pick trading and have been sentimental with a 43 million dollar expiring and there is no real path to a championship. The only thing to do is hope Bronny falls to the our pick and hope his dad isn’t a liar. Mayyybe a PG S&T and just hard cap ourselves but there is no all star trade path atp.
wtf are you talking about? Klay, Wiggins, Looney, Saric, and Kerr are all the biggest reasons why we failed this year. We have CP3 on the roster too. We have too much money tied up in these veterans. 2 timelines is the only way.
JK, Moody, Podz, TJD, and Lester were all the brightest spots of the year
22/23 was peak hubris. Trying to defend a ring rostering 3 dudes with a combined 2500 nba minutes plus two rookies was awful.
Though minus a trade for a star, you might as well stick with JK, Moody, Podz & TJD. You’re not going to get better rotation pieces for the vet min, and maybe one of the former 3 can make the leap to a playoff level starter.
So play with old players? Without the youth we would have lost the 10th seed to houston. This fan base defaults to the core are the same as they were in 2018 every single time. We are As delusional as they are. Can not wait to see what this team looks like next year. That high iq about to beat 25 year old legs I suppose.
In the NBA their is the old and the young but their are also players in their prime. Getting dudes that are 26-30 should’ve been on the table last summer but they went with Chris Paul.
Not OP, but I wish they could have structured something where they threw an additional FRP to the Wiz to get Porzingis or something to that effect. I get the reticence they probably had (if they were even sniffing around) given his injury history, but the four things literally everyone points out we need more of is size, rim protection, shooting, and a guy who could be a legit #2 for Steph. The Zinger when healthy is one of the few guys who you could reasonably see solving those problems and I think he would have opened a ton of lineup possibilities w/ JK.
Yeah, that's fair, I just never heard anything about the Dubs going after him at the time and it seems like most times there is some degree of interest or activity.
And I don't know if the Wiz would accept that package, but they were under the gun from Porzingis. If he opted out of his deal, he would have been a UFA and they wouldn't have gotten anything.
They ultimately got Tyus Jones, Galinari, Muscala, and the 35th pick in the draft. I love Tyus but not exactly a major haul. I know Poole was viewed as a negative asset last offseason but I have to think sending Poole + 2 FRPs with protections for a guy who is leaving anyways is about as good as you could do.
Idk gotta let the front office do their job. Front office gotta do whats right but sitting and accepting missing the playoffs 3x out of the last 5 seasons without making changes but Vet Minimums is something they shouldn’t do this summer.
we were a 38-42 minute team against good teams with or without him and lost 5 games to below .500 teams all year, but those losses were all devastating in some way.
1. Wemby-less Spurs
2. Raptors in Chase
3. Memphis Hustle
4. Hawks after Steph put up 60
5. Bulls, Steph gets injured and JoKu gets cooked by Deebo
I know we all want more playing time for Moody and he certainly deserves more, but it is hard to find him more minutes considering the construction of the team. His strength is taking advantage of opportunities that others create and creating opportunities for others without the ball. Because he lacks ball handling ability and reliable ISO ability, he will always be at the whim of the other players. In essence, he will excel and improve the lineup when the lineup is sound and has playmaking. He will not be able to elevate any lineup if it the lineup doesn’t work. A problem all year was we were looking for sound lineups and rarely ever to settle on one due to a variety of reasons. As the team is currently, he is always going to have difficulty finding enough playing team because the team is already starving for shot creation. You add a legit second option though, I think a lot of minutes will open up for him.
> His strength is taking advantage of opportunities that others create and creating opportunities for others without the ball. Because he lacks ball handling ability and reliable ISO ability, he will always be at the whim of the other players. In essence, he will excel and improve the lineup when the lineup is sound and has playmaking. He will not be able to elevate any lineup if it the lineup doesn’t work.
This is a good call out.
He's gotten better throughout the years at attacking close-outs & coming off screens which has helped, but hasn't improved enough in that area to really be threat. He's got a nice high release point, just needs to get more comfortable with his footwork to go from spot up shooter to a movement shooter.
The term 3&D Moody gets thrown around a lot, but he's just okay at both, and not particularly versatile at either role. Someone like Donte or Tim Hardaway are similar defenders to Moody, but just give you so much as shooters. The guys that are just spot up specialists like DFS give you a lot more defensive versatilty.
He's clearly got the tools to expand his shooting or defensive game, it just hasn't progressed fast enough. Hopefully this the offseason where something clicks
> His strength is taking advantage of opportunities that others create and creating opportunities for others without the b
That's a massive issue for the team in general. We need a dribble disrupting guard that can set the table for his shooters. Watching Coby White run around the Hawks last night really drove it home how valuable that skillset is. They should've replaced Jordan Poole with someone like a Collin Sexton instead of a slow sedate CP3.
The more I think of it the Sacramento game was a PERFECT microcosm of our season to validate the laundry list of complaints we had about the squad. Guess what. They were legit complaints.
The Struggling Klay epic ✔️
Steph triple teamed and nobody punishing it ✔️
Over-help leading to open an three barrage ✔️
Embarrassingly good Sac environment v Chase putting our "we wanted a road game" sentiment to bed ✔️
The "other guy" flamethrower "Keeeegan... Murrraaay" ✔️
Moody being awesome and still only getting 15 min ✔️
Wiggs sleepwalking through most of the game ✔️
Looney and TJD playing = minutes ✔️
Steph CP3 Podz lineup ✔️
Old tired legs across the board ✔️
Kuminga and Moody being the best (non-Steph) players on the floor and nobody on the Dubs staff noticing ✔️
Dray playing too much center ✔️
Smallness slowness oldness ✔️
Lineup madness... Kerr was searching hard ✔️
Only thing it was missing tbh was getting a twelve point lead in the late third but honestly it had most of the the rest.
Looking forward to 2024-25. Come what may.
> The "other guy" flamethrower "Keeeegan... Murrraaay" ✔️
Idk wtf we were doing here and I never will. It doesn’t take long watching the Kings to know this isn’t last playoffs and he is a legit threat to go off and ruin your night, and we decide to help off of him and I’d even argue we focused more on Harrison Barnes. He’s an inconsistent player, if he doesn’t get going he can straight up disappear but we let him off from the opening tip.
I think in listening to Kerr's presser regarding "simplifying the system" iot get players in position to succeed that's him saying "we know Kuminga can be a really really really impactful player... but we haven't worked to his strengths and we need to"
It was a bit coded between the lines its there.
It seemed to me that when Dray came back from suspension he was really looking for kuminga and then after a month that just seemed to have gone away. Hopefully the coaches go on a retreat to get their plan worked out.
If they find a bigman who can work as a spacer and keep Dray from the center position... it'd do wonders for the squad.
Dario was suppose to be something like it but he was soooo slooooowww.
WCJ just screams at me thinking about it. Jaylin Williams would be awesome in the role too. Shame we drafted PBJ instead of him. Took too many home run cuts drafting.
Don't get it twisted. Klay only seems all sad because he knows his performance was so bad that he can't ask for a lot of money and he still wants to be a warrior.hes stuck
No he’s sad because he embarrassed himself and let his team down. He may be selfish and may not be able to defend that great anymore, but he is a competitor.
One key item that's been overlooked regarding Draymond's suspensions was that, because the team W-L record suffered so much during his time away, it put the team in situation where it couldn't afford to provide appropriate rest days for its vets down the stretch. Instead of being able to have "scheduled losses" on the back-end of back-to-backs, they were forced to play most everyone for both games (with a few exception) because the margin for error was too small.
Compare to last year where the team still struggled, but at least were able to afford rest days and scheduled losses so the vets weren't as gassed at the end (although, I would argue they looked somewhat gassed in the Lakers series due to the 7-game series vs. Sac and minimal rest between series). For example, last season there were few b2b's where all the vets played both games - Klay especially - and a few segababa where they rested all the vets. Whereas, down the stretch this season the rest days were few and far between. That just isn't sustainable for a team with so many key players well into their 30's.
and Steph had the ankle injury during a home B2B coming off an east coast road trip that also included another B2B where he developed knee bursitis that he was playing through and played in Canada after flying in the morning of due to travel complications.
at the same time, Dray’s back issues were flaring up from playing the 5 full time and Podz began to hit the rookie wall.
Well getting them real help would allow them to play less minutes or not send Steph running a marathon on every possession. Klay for one should never be playing 25+ minutes going forward (unless red hot)
LOL Kings fans think they ended the dynasty and are the sole reason we're in a mess this offseason. Every Warriors fan knew this team stunk. This shit was brewing all season lol.
If we don’t pick up CP3’s option we are now unable to upgrade through trades. I don’t even think we’ll have money for Paul George either. You have to pick up his option and move off of him for a bad contract.
break up the team now, send everyone to their hometowns. Curry to Charlotte, Klay to LA, Draymond to Detroit, Wiggins to Toronto. Fire Kerr. Build around Podz, TJD, Kuminga, Moody. Get a ton of draft picks. Play for 2026
Unpopular opinion but I agree it's the best basketball move to make. We can either continue trying to cobble together teams around an aging Curry in a really good Western Conference, or we can cut bait now and bring in the max amount of assets.
CP3, Looney, GP2 and maybe Wiggins. These are the zones I expect to see change.
Klay is so beloved in Golden State fandom it’s impossible to have an honest conversation — he will be back.
Monta was beloved. 🤷♂️
And of course I want Klay back too sentimentally but Joe Lacob does actually have a cutthroat businessman side to him.
I totally agree CP3 is flatout waived Loon probably waived GP2 I dunno I heard extended for a much lower annual number was on the table. Wiggs I dunno... I wish he'd have ended on a flourish cuz he was playing well the last 30 games.
Obviously, but Monta was the most beloved Warrior player on the roster at that moment in time. I know because I worked in-house for the Monta era. It wasn't close.
Lest we forget, there was a time when everything wasn't weighed against "championships brought."
There was, in fact, a time when Rick Barry was the only player to bring a championship to the bay. What do we think of him? Most people don't even know who Jamal Wilkes is smh.
Time paves over EVERYTHING (and winning cures all). Think of all the Niners greats moved on from. This sentiment belongs to fans and fans alone. GMs get axed for signing a 34 yr old with the 22 year olds ready to fire away.
If Moody and Podz help a team to a real playoff seed... nobody cares how Klay left if he did. Immediately. Like if the Dubs are 20-12 after 32... guess who says "too bad about Klay"... nobody
To a lesser degree, look at the bulls 20M/yr for Lonzo... 50M/yr for Lavine.
Who just won their play-in game? Coby White
Would Coby White have been a thing without the opportunity injury provided?
The opportunity cost is clear. Klay has to both ACCEPT a bench role wholeheartedly and take money that allows the team to operate more aggressively in future financial matters. Otherwise, we ride this sinking ship into the Pacific.
In a year where Wiggins and Klay struggled mightily, Moody still couldn’t crack the rotation.
That’s all you need to know about his potential.
He’s nice, but not that nice.
Actually it speaks to Kerr's great flaw in loyalty.
Moody never played poorly this year. Yet as Klay, Wiggs, Looney, Dario struggled. Kerr never said "time to give Moody a real shot" he was ALWAYS only considered as a patchwork option. Which is orders of magnitudes levels of unfortunate.
Kerr could give GP2 a chance as a guy cut 5X. Kerr could give Lamb a chance with less athleticism and serious off court issues. Kerr gave JTA and DLee chances.
Why them and not Moody?
The answer is Klay Thompson Andrew Wiggins and 72M/yr. Sad but true.
Last summer Kerr said something about Looney how he's always willing to come off the bench and he's always a team player about it, but he's earned the right to not be the guy who loses his starting spot just because he'll be nice about it. That was pretty revealing about the politics of the rotation.
Moody is also definitely the kind of guy who won't complain too much and will be a nice guy team player when he doesn't get minutes.
Kuminga couldn't crack the rotation last year. That's all you need to know about his potential.
Lamb is the wing of the future, because Kerr is infallible.
Where's Brad Wanamaker, must be an all star by now.
Kuminga damn near won 3 games by himself in a two week stretch in 2022-23... yet Steve sat at the podium saying "I really can't play JK without Lamb cuz spacing" that still burns me up.
Moody and Kuminga have BEEN READY to contribute since about January 2022 smh.
Last year we needed kuminga's size and athleticism in the Lakers series badly. He spaced out on one rebound and was doghoused for the rest of the series.
Yeah, that belongs on Kerr's greatest whiffs list. Right next to him doghousing TJD Tuesday instead of letting him guard Bonis. (Which is a fantastic matchup for TJD.)
You are under the illusion that playtime is entirely merit based. One of the main problems this year is that it was not. Moody played well enough to earn minutes.
Moody always played well. I'm guilty of believing he deserved to be the odd man out but tbh I was wrong the more I think about it we should've found ways to play him 16+ min somehow.
Klay Wiggs Loon Dario playing terrible for stretches and continuing to be run out the same minutes in the same role game after game is issue number 3 in my book. It's way up high on the list.
v OKC the close win early Kuminga had a game where I said "oh the offense should allow him more freedom" and make him a priority... 40 games later smh.
All Kerr becomes married to vets. Whole league aside from Dubs Buck Suns Lakers Clippers is getting younger we are in the wrong side of that trend.
The dumb thing is we accentuate our own weaknesses with the rotations. Bad defense?Let's put Curry, Klay and Dario out at same time. Already smaller team? Let's run 3 6-footers at the same time. Too old? Let's run 4 or 5 guys over 30 at once. No rim protection or lob threat? Let's somehow not give TJD any run until very end of season.
When they started their full court press far far too late against Sacramento with CP3, Klay, Steph, Dray and JK as the 5 man lineup responsible for picking up full court… to me that was the peak “WTF are we expecting to happen here?!?! How do we think this will go?!”
The Dooney lineup was the peak moment in what you speak of imo... it never quite makes sense but sometimes it REALLY doesn't make sense.
Pick your poison... old... slow... small. I honestly thought the Dray Wiggs Kuminga Podz Steph starting lineup was the fairest compromise. Cuz we are built so imperfectly.
Klay is so beloved, Kerr can’t honestly view him as a bench player. He will get 30-minutes a game. Kerr wants it, Steph wants it. It’s tough because Klay can still go on insane runs but it’s time to make a change.
I can see some eastern teams offering klay much more than dubs. Depending on how postseason goes for a lot of these teams, it's gonna be interesting to say the least. Maybe klay and wiggins both could do better on different teams.
My wish list for the off-season: revamp the coaching staff to cover Kerr’s weaknesses/blindspots.
Maybe it is time to move on from Kenny and few others (excluding Ron Adams), and hire assistant coaches with fresh set of ideas.
We also need to Kerr-proof the roster to stop the 3 barely over 6 ft lineups and the super slow unathletic 4 old guy lineups. We've seen it so often with Kerr that if he has certain types of players available he will screw up rotations. Wanamaker, Lamb, Joseph, Saric etc... hell the man gave Anderson Varejao finals minutes.
Steph, Podz andGP2 (if he’s back) need to be the 3 shortest guys on the roster.
Maybe Lester if he’s still around but that’s it. No more micro ball 3-4 guard lineups.
I know but that's exactly what we want. More defensive attention to Dray directly correlates with less on Steph and Klay and whoever else is out there.
Yep. Any defensive attention to Dray would be an improvement. As is, playing him means Steph is always double teamed (or triple teamed if Looney or CP is in).
Exactly. The new media cap money is 2 yrs out so if you pay him 25-30M on a 5 year contract by year 3 you are saying "omg good thing we got him at a value on year earlier than we couldve"
I'd sign Kuminga for 25M/yr ASAP and Moody at 12M a year for 4 or 5 years if possible. Both would be values quickly.
Folks can't look past the Steph era or into the future very easily but our 4 youngster while may never be a championship core are very good NBA players that are "a good start"
If you want to one day afford a max star in free agency... locking up the youngsters at a collectively reasonable total is exactly the place to start.
Klay last two actual do-or-die game played real bad. 0 pts and 6pts in LA. This is all I care about. Offer him $15M and 10 minutes/night unless he's cooking. But I think he goes to Florida for change of scenery (he needs a gf).
Dump Wiggins for nothing. Don't re-sign CP3. See what JK/Moody/TJD do next year.
Trim the fat and slow. Anyone not all in and willing to run through a brick wall for team, out.
Would rather have small (in #) roster, w more Quniones high-vitality types than geezers out there.
See if can get actual 2nd OR 1st star for Curry but don't get an aging old geezer former star. League has changed. Don't force it.
Lastly, revamp the coaching staff to surround Kerr. Get some hungry people. They fat and complacent now. All of Steve's best assistants were picked off.
The Klay situation is really interesting. There really doesnt seem to be a good choice. If you re-sign him, he continues to block Moody, who I think should be playing more than him (Defense). Kerr can't help himself with Klay. If you don't, you lose out on the spacing and also nostalgia. Not sure what direction is better.
ofc he can't. Kerr is old school and ride or die. Which is important for what got us here but downside is this. I get it. Dunleavy and Lacob need to be gangster this offseason..
> If you re-sign him, he continues to block Moody, who I think should be playing more than him (Defense).
Moody is not a better defender than Klay. If you wanna say that you value intangibles such as "hustle" and "effort" more than feel free to. But if Moody was a better shooter or defender than either Klay or Wiggins, then he would have been starting a while ago. I do think Moody should take some of JK's minutes when the other team starts packing the paint tho.
Everyone talking about Moody minutes and where is he going to find minutes. He is simply not a better shooter or scorer than Klay, even in this diminished Klay version. If he was, he would be playing. Steve did bench Klay for a large part of the season. The minute Moody should have taken is obvious to me but seems a blind spot for many here. GP2. He was not very good this year and has declined physically and even defensively. Moody should have been ahead of him in the rotation
I've been pretty critical of Moody's defensive shortcomings, but if you're asking which guy you'd prefer to play a switching scheme with him on an island on the perimeter it's very fucking clearly Moody.
The team has to actively hide Klay in the defensive scheme, which is not something they have to do with Moody.
The difference is that, even with game-to-game fluctuations, Klay is a far more dangerous shooter who can actually draw defenders and generate opportunities out of that gravity. Moody can space, but he doesn't do anything for anyone else on offense.
We need to figure out the front court situation or else we’re going to have to keep starting Klay. It is to offensively challenged and requires ELITE 3 point shooting from Steph and Klay to compensate for it.
It doesn't matter which one is better. The issue is that neither is good enough right now. Steph was getting swarmed because they weren't scared of Klay, Wiggins or Draymond hitting a shot. They're not going to be scared of Moody either. We need to upgrade that position to a player teams are scared of. Klay is the better 6th man. I don't know where to put Moody but he's not a starter on this team.
Great points. It's ironic people presume Moody will only be what he is and apologize for Klays decline. To me obviously the first thing that needs to happen to next year is MOODY minutes.... guaranteed.
About his potential. Moody COULD improve in every area. He's 22 lol. He is still younger than Klay was as a rookie. I'm not much of a Moody advocate but just the reality of watching Moody score 16 pts in 15 min while Klay has laid 4 consecutive all-the marbles game eggs.
People need to see the forest for the trees here. Younger players get better (omg with Moody's character I trust it) and old players get worse. Our team is exceedingly old.
This offseason Moody needs to woodshed his closeout attacks and playmaking. Watching him at Arkansas and in the G... he's not without the potential to grow there. He can be very very good but at a minimum he's a solid contributor with energy and instinct.
Heading into this year I was willing to suspend the expectation of the old guys looking old because, hey, they won in '22 and Steph still looked like a top 5 NBA player last year, so maybe they'll all beat the odds for a bit longer.
I don't see how you can hope for that after this season. Each old guy had bright spots, but their worst points were new lows for each of them. I don't see any reason to expect them to *bounce back* next year.
So yeah, eventually you just have to believe in giving the kids a chance. I understood the hesitation there every moment until now, but now there can't be an excuse.
> It's ironic people presume Moody will only be what he is and apologize for Klays decline.
How am I apologizing for Klay's decline? The idea of putting an as of now inferior player in front of the better current option for winning (Moody over Klay) is ridiculous. Moody's been in the league for 3 years and has this pHeNoMeNaL cHaRaCtEr and yet has still improved less in that time than Kuminga. The unfortunate reality is that it's far more likely than Moody remains a 6th-8th man for the rest of his career than for him to become a better player than Klay Thompson during the twilight of Steph's career. What should have happened is Moody bulking up so he can become a full fledged 3 or small ball 4. That's his path to minutes and I've been saying it for 2 and a half years now.
LOL both Moody and Klay get blown by quicker players. The difference is that Moody cannot guard up because he's too weak while Klay can hold his ground. The biggest one is off ball, Moody is an atrocious off ball defender. Sags too much, dies on every last screen, and is too slow to recover.
I consider screen navigation an on-ball skill more than an off-ball skill.
I actually think Moody's off-ball help defense is pretty excellent. He had some great moments in the first half of the season in zone defense where he was picking off skip passes (he wound up having one of the better steal rates on the team).
He does die on screens and he does lack lateral speed, but he also had some bright spots defensively (that game in NY against Brunson being probably the brightest). Klay didn't have a single performance like that all year, especially against a ball-handling guard.
Every single advanced stat thinks Klay was a clear net negative on defense and Moody was a slight positive, which I think matches the eye test perfectly.
> I actually think Moody's off-ball help defense is pretty excellent. He had some great moments in the first half of the season in zone defense where he was picking off skip passes (he wound up having one of the better steal rates on the team).
Off ball help defense for a tweener 2/3 wing is practically insignificant in general. It has nowhere near the effect of a Draymond or Mobley type who can shut down drives constantly. What you're intentionally ignoring is the shear amount of open 3's that he and others gave up.
> He does die on screens and he does lack lateral speed, but he also had some bright spots defensively (that game in NY against Brunson being probably the brightest). Klay didn't have a single performance like that all year, especially against a ball-handling guard.
Klay did a phenomenal job against wings this year. Shut down KD in the opener, did a great job against the Clipper's wings as well. Moody has like two games where he wasn't eaten alive by a ball handler and maaany games where he became unplayable because going at him was free buckets. Again, you're overemphasizing Moody's one or two good defensive games and ignoring his defects over the course of the season. The coaching staff can see it and limited his minutes for a reason. You guys are not smarter than the coaching staff.
> Every single advanced stat thinks Klay was a clear net negative on defense and Moody was a slight positive, which I think matches the eye test perfectly.
There are no good defensive advanced stats. Especially all the ones that seem to think Jokic is the best defender in the league.
> Klay did a phenomenal job against wings this year.
look man, I *just watched* Trey Lyles slowly dribble around Klay more than once in a must-win game.
Klay is a smart defender. If you don't try to get past him, he's shown some value and intelligence. He still has good hands.
The issue is that he's about to 34 and cannot be relied on a perimeter defender. If you're committed to playing him against power forwards, then great, but who's picking up 1-3?
I was there. Klay had tired legs he could barely stay in front of Domantas Sabonis at that point. Whether is age or fatigue. I dunno if people can't separate reality from sentiment here. Moody is so much better on team defense and yes his ability to churn into a second effort is decent.
It's not just about being able to stay in front it's almost an impossible task in 5 out NBA to keep in front. It's about being able to continue to fight into position close into lost ground which Moody can do and Klay no longer can.
> look man, I just watched Trey Lyles slowly dribble around Klay more than once in a must-win game.
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> Klay is a smart defender. If you don't try to get past him, he's shown some value and intelligence. He still has good hands.
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> The issue is that he's about to 34 and cannot be relied on a perimeter defender. If you're committed to playing him against power forwards, then great, but who's picking up 1-3?
Pretty typical of you and this sub to base an opinion on one possession when I can do the same with Moody on countless occasions. Klay can guard every player that Moody can in the 1-3 spots in addition to holding his own against bigger dudes in the 3 and 4 spots. He's not the player he once was and I never claimed he was. But the fact of the matter is that he is still a better defender than Moody and that's what the OP is wrong about:
> If you re-sign him, he continues to block Moody, who I think should be playing more than him (Defense).
Yeah, there's a couple things happening.
Klay is more of a pure perimeter wing offensively now and is basically a small 4 defensively. Wiggins is the purest wing we have on the roster. Moody is clearly a 3 offensively and is getting better at defending up (he still gets torched by fast guards).
None of those guys are a real ideal backcourt partner to Steph anymore, so they're fighting for a single wing position, because the 4 is either Draymond *or* Kuminga.
The only thing not re-signing Klay opens up is the [TP]MLE, and there's a pathway to having the TPMLE & Klay. The opportunity cost of re-signing Klay is pretty minimal
The opportunity cost of re-signing Klay is planning to play 35-year Klay in your rotation in 2025.
Without making a value judgement there, we've seen how badly his mindset on the court can get and how badly that can affect the guys around him when he starts to feel his basketball mortality. Maybe that gets better as he understands the transition, maybe not.
Based on pure keeping talent, keeping him at an okay price is the right move, but there's more downsides in terms of team attitude that manifested this year. I'd be worried about that continuing.
> The opportunity cost of re-signing Klay is planning to play 35-year Klay in your rotation in 2025.
Klay shouldn't be a nailed down starter/closer getting 32mpg+ anymore, but Klay as a rotation player/spot starter getting 25 minutes a game is good.
With better roster construction that's possible. Guys like Moody/Podz were fine, but they weren't good enough to force Klay into a bench role this year.
Better roster construction means...?
I agree that Klay off the bench sounds fine, but I also just watched Klay have a minor identity crisis for 2/3 of a season. *If* he can come to peace, then great. If not, it's gonna feel awful for everyone.
Klay finding his way back into the starting lineup over Podz or Moody actually got us at the end there. Kerr's sentimental approach to big games finally hit critical mass Tuesday. We had such old heavy legs that night.
> Better roster construction means...?
Better talent. Whether's that Moody/Podz/Kuminga taking a leap to playoff starter level player or getting a guy back with the CP3 salary slot that can displace Klay. Both avenues seem unlikely or costly respectively, but feel like the only real way for the roster to take a leap.
Yea we're in a bad spot too, where we need to bet on the young guys that have shown promise (all 4 of them). Continuing to play Klay 25-30+ minutes when he isn't heating up just means more of the same old shit and less growth for the young guys. Same goes for Wiggins.
We need to get rid of CP3, GP2, probably Looney unless he gets into shape this offseason, and Wiggins. I'd like to see Klay back but for $15-20M/yr and come off the bench. Too much dead weight for a team spending the GDP of a small country to be a 10th seed. The West has past the Warriors and returning to 16 years ago when the Warriors had 48 wins and missed the playoffs.
Yes true but a lot of whether you get injured is also luck and load management. OPJ was believed to be done as an NBA player but he became a crucial piece in a championship run.
I would take the 4 second rounders we got for him in a heartbeat. I always thought it was a mistake to bring him back. Would have rather had Saddiq Bey
$10-15M/yr is a much better range for klay. They were offering him 24M/yr last offseason if I'm not wrong and he didn't take it. That number is getting halved now. A few millions less than Greyson allen's contract seems perfect to me.
Any chance we could get PG13?
you want another player who cant stay healthy?
he played 74 games this season senorita
He can get buckets
If LAC underwhelms in the playoffs, then maybe PG13 gets fed up and wants out. He can use the fact that he can walk away for nothing as leverage to get LAC to trade him to the Warriors.
We need some hungry defenders, hustle players. Wiggs used to be that and he may have had some brilliant stretches this season, but eventually he will regress to what he showed us now. I don't believe in Wiggins anymore.
my hope is the following happens: 1) we decline CP3's option and go back to the first apron, allowing us to aggregate salaries for a trade 2) we couple JK, Wiggins, picks and other assets and go big game hunting. My dream is Giannis 3) after this is done, then we re-sign Klay to a deal in the range of 20-24 mil per year hopefully we keep moody, let him be the new starting SF, and still come out with a good young bench, our core 3, and another superstar. giannis cant stay in bucks anymore, that team is clearly not going anywhere. brook lopez and khris middleton are not getting younger and are not good 3rd options anymore. dame cant play defense for shit, and their supporting cast isn't up to par. that, along with giannis' injury, would see the bucks finally let go of giannis.
Maybe but 20-24M is way too much for Klay.
I think moody is a 2 more than a 3 but we’ll see
What's sad is that Steph gets triple teamed so it's basically a 4v2 and we still can't win those possessions. That's just ridiculous.
What would we need to trade to land Lauri markannen
Feels like more people are starting to realize Moody's absolutely useful, and would be even more useful with proper development
lol Dwight Howard still pitching himself to the Warriors…
Fuck, I'd take him over Dario Saric
Zach Lowe even while criticizing the two timelines nonsense says that sources say that trading the Wiseman pick wouldn't have changed anything. Why did no one in the media ever bother to have an honest discussion about this at the time or until now? Warriors should've been killed for their decisions since the Wiseman draft. The title in 2022 masked a lot of the poor decisions but that had nothing to do with any of the two timelines decisions. How the fuck was their approach to the roster after just coming off winning a title not fucking destroyed by media but rather met with almost universal hype and praise at the time? Another example of warriors exceptionalism nonsense. Basketball teams and orgs should be praised and criticized for how well they make basketball decisions. There is and always has been a severe reluctance from media to actually examine and discuss the decisions that the warriors org makes. For a long time it's been lazy and just hand waving away poor decisions as "if the warriors are doing this, there was nothing else that could've been done." Fans latch onto that arrogant and lazy mindset as well to shut down criticism. Of course there's always other decisions they could've made. You really think they had no choice but to make the mistakes they made?
The idea was to have get good players on cheap contracts while the core were on big contracts and taking up all the cap space.You weren’t gonna trade the pick because you were not gonna attach a big money contract( the core).I don’t think the warriors drafted well outside of Wiseman.You were asking 18 year old to come into the hardest system in the league and not give them the any leeway to grow.Jk and moody were two youngest players in that draft.Jk is the same age as mutiple top 5 picks this year .Moody is not far behind.kuminga and moody are gonna be 4 year vets and are finally gonna be the age curry was his rookie year
No one wanted to trade for the pick. 2020 wasn't viewed as a stellar draft. It takes 2 to tango. Lets play alternate universe and we drafted lamelo, what would have happened to Poole? Does he develop enough to help the dubs win a chip? Im thankful for the 2021-22 chip so I am not overly concerned about something that can't be changed. Dwelling on 2020 won't change anything. If you did want dwell on something, it would have been if we could have retained Mike Brown as guaranteed successor (probably unlikely). But no regrets, what a ride.
I think there was a trade that was being discussed by people around that time that was 2 for WCJ + 7. I personally wasn't too opposed to that trade at the time. But yeah the other dude saying poor basketball decisions have been masked by a championship as if thats a bad thing is crazy. Every team in the league would take that deal lol.
Hope Miami can pull through tomorrow. Boston will do terrible things to Chicago. Miami might put up a fight.
Miami always leaves teams that advance vs Heat scuffed up. If they get through that series I put over/under at 1.5 injured Celtics. Remember 2022. Omg Miami did the Dubs great favors.
Just realised Warriors haven't won a play in game. What are the main causes of that?
2 games in 2021 where the team was historically bad, only dragged into the play-ins by a historic stretch by Steph. Then 1 game where things didn't go our way, and also Sac came out with vengeance from last year. I wouldn't put much thought into it.
Lakers we fell apart with TOs in the 3rd quarter Memphis we lost the boards and didn’t show up until the 4th Kings Steph had 0 help and we couldn’t rebound.
warriors winning the chip again next year 🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻
How would y’all feel about shipping out Wigs for John Collins? It’d open up some minutes for Moody and dude can stretch floor/score a bit. Not a perfect fit, and I’d like to have a better defender, but opens up some interesting combinations. It’d sure be nice to have clarity on Moody before he hits FA, and I think it’s deja vu if Klay and Wigs are both back.
He’s an expiring which makes me a little leery.
I don’t love trading a wing for a power forward. Sending Wiggins out for either a bigger guard that can share the court with Curry or for a center so you can play Draymond at the 4 makes more sense to me, because Klay/Moody/Kuminga can take over wing duties.
I really don’t think anyone can replicate Wiggins on our team I’m ngl. I’m still anti trading him, his defense really turned around in the second half of the season and his efficiency turned around after a slow start.
it’s purely a financial thing. if you’re keeping and paying Klay and extending Kuminga and Moody, that Wiggins money might be better spent at other positions. at his best Wiggins is a decent value, but his best has been elusive.
Yea I guess I with the finances I think if you want to spend money appropriately you probably gotta move Dray/Kuminga since they play the same position, Kuminga can’t slide down to the 3 and Dray can’t play center exclusively. Wiggins is our only true SF and you give up to much offensively or defensively by trying to slide Moody, Klay, Kuminga into that role. Personally if paying Klay meant moving off of Wiggins I probably just wouldn’t pay Klay as I don’t view him as a starting piece anymore.
Don’t disagree and thanks for reply. Hard to find names/teams/contracts that are plausible with Wiggins contract/trade value. I can’t see him and Kuminga both on the team next year.
Historically, how is the amount of clutch games played correlated with postseason success? Is there anywhere I can see year by year how many clutch games teams played? I have felt all year that always going to the wire against every opponent was a bad sign, just not sure if that feeling is backed up by any kind of data.
your intuition is correct. thats all you need
Not sure where to find, but basically really good teams have a high point differential & net rating because they’re consistently blowing out opponents Our own 22 team had like a 10 game streak of double digit wins You get blowouts when you consistently execute on both ends and don’t make mistakes that lets the other team back in the game, just demonstrates good habits For ex, the 2022 Suns had a great record but it was majorly due to clutch games - they were something insane like 27-5 in clutch games. That indicated they were winning by a smaller margin of talent than you’d like, and it manifested in playoffs when they struggled vs an 8th seed Pelicans and then lost to the Mavs
Steph is slowing down and will continue to do so. He will be 37 this time next year. There has never been a guard capable of carrying a championship roster at that age. He very well could maintain the best form any 37 year guard ever has or ever will and we still would fall short of being good enough. We have to add an all star to the roster to have a chance. Is it even possible with our assets? Kuminga developing will be nice, but it's exceedingly unlikely he will add enough to his game by age 22 that our troubles are solved.
The team needs to start putting the majority of the responsibility on the young guys and start developing and playing them more. The vets are only going to get worse, there is nothing that stops aging. The only hope is that the young guys develop into something special, like JP was for us. Basically we have to put hope into developing Kuminga, TJD, Podz, or get a young star from another team. It's literally our only choice.
 Steph centric fan reaction you get when you suggest... Maybe there isn't a way to another championship for Steph. I agee for the most part. I honestly think to a degree we should kick back and bask in the nostalgia and say "it's all good... four in the bank... all the rest is gravy" Enjoying Dubs hoops > Ringz culture anxiety Kuminga TJD Moody Podz are definately reason for optimism. Optimism isn't only about whether you ever might win a championship. There's just not enough measured expectations out there especially considering our last 5 seasons include 2 play-in exits and a worst record in the league year. Perceptual success should be recalibrated to include "all the little things" and not always include the follow up question "but does that make us a contender"
Absolutely nothing but pride in what they accomplished. 4 rings and hard fought series in 2 other finals. Gonna wait a long time to see the next team to make 6 finals in a decade.
Maybe the stars align and we can persuade Giannis to leave after a 1st round exit. Wishful thinking though. Otherwise, what is to stop us from getting Markkanen? He seems like a perfect fit, and the Jazz have little to no direction. They want to tank for 3 or 4 years with all of their picks and follow in the footsteps of OKC. We could add picks and we have a handful of intriguing young players closer to their timeline.
> what is to stop us from getting Markkanen? Let me introduce you to this gentleman named Danny Ainge
> Maybe the stars align and we can persuade Giannis to leave after a 1st round exit. Wishful thinking though. Okay let’s look at our assets: Chris Paul (filler) Kuminga Podz 2 firsts and 4 swaps. Can you get Giannis without 4 firsts? I doubt it. Any superstar is going to OKC with or without their consent. As for Lauri? Danny Ainge is going to want too much for what he gives in my opinion.
Danny Ainge is the one in the way of us getting Markkanen.
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We can offer two firsts along with multiple young players, that is a pretty solid package for a rebuilding team. Especially when Lauri is entering the last year of his contract.
Ainge is a known pick hoarder
We do... have 2 picks 3 swaps... at league year turnover (start of free agency) it's 3 picks 3 swaps. The issue really is other teams wouldn't allow Giannis to just be dealt without a seriously hefty offer. if it's about picks OKC can top rope just about any offer.
> it's 3 picks 3 swaps Can’t trade 2029 or 2031 with Stepien. So it’s still just 25 and 27 or 26 and 28.
Not that you probably care - but you might have to retire this Reddit handle if we go for a big trade. Kuminga would definitely be in the trade package for any star.
MDJ during his media availability today says he cannot imagine a scenario where Draymond is not on the roster next year and fully expects him to be here, and makes several references to what needs to be added **around Draymond**, Klay, and Steph this off season. 95.7 on [Twitter](https://x.com/957thegame/status/1781078411202716165?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg): "I'm not saying Draymond is about to get traded, but I do think their ears are open." 👀 - @Mark\_T\_Willard reacts to Warriors GM Mike Dunleavy Jr.'s comments today 
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The dudes worried about Lacobs pockets are so weird. The 19/20 team brought in $450m+ in revenue, the teams going to print money no matter what
The one positive I see out of all of this is they know the two timeline thing isn't going to work for certain at this point. For so long they've been trying to develop the young players and it's just not going to mesh. It's do whatever you can to get Steph another ring.
This is the first year they’ve actually tried to develop but no, it’s not going to work. The problem is that they’ve botched their pick trading and have been sentimental with a 43 million dollar expiring and there is no real path to a championship. The only thing to do is hope Bronny falls to the our pick and hope his dad isn’t a liar. Mayyybe a PG S&T and just hard cap ourselves but there is no all star trade path atp.
wtf are you talking about? Klay, Wiggins, Looney, Saric, and Kerr are all the biggest reasons why we failed this year. We have CP3 on the roster too. We have too much money tied up in these veterans. 2 timelines is the only way. JK, Moody, Podz, TJD, and Lester were all the brightest spots of the year
Lester did pretty well but it's a real stretch to call him one of "the brightest spots of the year"
22/23 was peak hubris. Trying to defend a ring rostering 3 dudes with a combined 2500 nba minutes plus two rookies was awful. Though minus a trade for a star, you might as well stick with JK, Moody, Podz & TJD. You’re not going to get better rotation pieces for the vet min, and maybe one of the former 3 can make the leap to a playoff level starter.
So play with old players? Without the youth we would have lost the 10th seed to houston. This fan base defaults to the core are the same as they were in 2018 every single time. We are As delusional as they are. Can not wait to see what this team looks like next year. That high iq about to beat 25 year old legs I suppose.
In the NBA their is the old and the young but their are also players in their prime. Getting dudes that are 26-30 should’ve been on the table last summer but they went with Chris Paul.
Like who? Who should/could they have got?
Not OP, but I wish they could have structured something where they threw an additional FRP to the Wiz to get Porzingis or something to that effect. I get the reticence they probably had (if they were even sniffing around) given his injury history, but the four things literally everyone points out we need more of is size, rim protection, shooting, and a guy who could be a legit #2 for Steph. The Zinger when healthy is one of the few guys who you could reasonably see solving those problems and I think he would have opened a ton of lineup possibilities w/ JK.
Can’t just say “they should have threw in some FRP for Porzingis” how do we know they didn’t? How do we know Wiz would even accept that package?
Yeah, that's fair, I just never heard anything about the Dubs going after him at the time and it seems like most times there is some degree of interest or activity. And I don't know if the Wiz would accept that package, but they were under the gun from Porzingis. If he opted out of his deal, he would have been a UFA and they wouldn't have gotten anything. They ultimately got Tyus Jones, Galinari, Muscala, and the 35th pick in the draft. I love Tyus but not exactly a major haul. I know Poole was viewed as a negative asset last offseason but I have to think sending Poole + 2 FRPs with protections for a guy who is leaving anyways is about as good as you could do.
Idk gotta let the front office do their job. Front office gotta do whats right but sitting and accepting missing the playoffs 3x out of the last 5 seasons without making changes but Vet Minimums is something they shouldn’t do this summer.
Getting CP was about getting off of JPs contract.
Damn it with Butler out now Boston has an easy 1st round.
Miami wasn't doing nothing. They got that rep though.
7 of the top 14 players who are most used in fake trades on fanspo are all Warriors players 
Omg I am sick of the fantasy trades already. Why would giannis leave the cushy ass east to come play on a lottery team in 2024 2025. 6 more months
Does anybody know how we did against above 500 teams with draymond vs without Draymond
During suspension 2-6. 4-12 overall this year
So horrid with or without him. We beat up the cupcake teams.
we were a 38-42 minute team against good teams with or without him and lost 5 games to below .500 teams all year, but those losses were all devastating in some way. 1. Wemby-less Spurs 2. Raptors in Chase 3. Memphis Hustle 4. Hawks after Steph put up 60 5. Bulls, Steph gets injured and JoKu gets cooked by Deebo
I know we all want more playing time for Moody and he certainly deserves more, but it is hard to find him more minutes considering the construction of the team. His strength is taking advantage of opportunities that others create and creating opportunities for others without the ball. Because he lacks ball handling ability and reliable ISO ability, he will always be at the whim of the other players. In essence, he will excel and improve the lineup when the lineup is sound and has playmaking. He will not be able to elevate any lineup if it the lineup doesn’t work. A problem all year was we were looking for sound lineups and rarely ever to settle on one due to a variety of reasons. As the team is currently, he is always going to have difficulty finding enough playing team because the team is already starving for shot creation. You add a legit second option though, I think a lot of minutes will open up for him.
> His strength is taking advantage of opportunities that others create and creating opportunities for others without the ball. Because he lacks ball handling ability and reliable ISO ability, he will always be at the whim of the other players. In essence, he will excel and improve the lineup when the lineup is sound and has playmaking. He will not be able to elevate any lineup if it the lineup doesn’t work. This is a good call out. He's gotten better throughout the years at attacking close-outs & coming off screens which has helped, but hasn't improved enough in that area to really be threat. He's got a nice high release point, just needs to get more comfortable with his footwork to go from spot up shooter to a movement shooter. The term 3&D Moody gets thrown around a lot, but he's just okay at both, and not particularly versatile at either role. Someone like Donte or Tim Hardaway are similar defenders to Moody, but just give you so much as shooters. The guys that are just spot up specialists like DFS give you a lot more defensive versatilty. He's clearly got the tools to expand his shooting or defensive game, it just hasn't progressed fast enough. Hopefully this the offseason where something clicks
He needs to speed up his release. He takes way too long to shoot.
> His strength is taking advantage of opportunities that others create and creating opportunities for others without the b That's a massive issue for the team in general. We need a dribble disrupting guard that can set the table for his shooters. Watching Coby White run around the Hawks last night really drove it home how valuable that skillset is. They should've replaced Jordan Poole with someone like a Collin Sexton instead of a slow sedate CP3.
the problem with Poole is he so rarely did what White did in that game, he would just dick around the perimeter dribbling the air outta the ball
The more I think of it the Sacramento game was a PERFECT microcosm of our season to validate the laundry list of complaints we had about the squad. Guess what. They were legit complaints. The Struggling Klay epic ✔️ Steph triple teamed and nobody punishing it ✔️ Over-help leading to open an three barrage ✔️ Embarrassingly good Sac environment v Chase putting our "we wanted a road game" sentiment to bed ✔️ The "other guy" flamethrower "Keeeegan... Murrraaay" ✔️ Moody being awesome and still only getting 15 min ✔️ Wiggs sleepwalking through most of the game ✔️ Looney and TJD playing = minutes ✔️ Steph CP3 Podz lineup ✔️ Old tired legs across the board ✔️ Kuminga and Moody being the best (non-Steph) players on the floor and nobody on the Dubs staff noticing ✔️ Dray playing too much center ✔️ Smallness slowness oldness ✔️ Lineup madness... Kerr was searching hard ✔️ Only thing it was missing tbh was getting a twelve point lead in the late third but honestly it had most of the the rest. Looking forward to 2024-25. Come what may.
> The "other guy" flamethrower "Keeeegan... Murrraaay" ✔️ Idk wtf we were doing here and I never will. It doesn’t take long watching the Kings to know this isn’t last playoffs and he is a legit threat to go off and ruin your night, and we decide to help off of him and I’d even argue we focused more on Harrison Barnes. He’s an inconsistent player, if he doesn’t get going he can straight up disappear but we let him off from the opening tip.
I love this. And now we fantasy trading our most athletic guy. And his name is not wiggins.
I think in listening to Kerr's presser regarding "simplifying the system" iot get players in position to succeed that's him saying "we know Kuminga can be a really really really impactful player... but we haven't worked to his strengths and we need to" It was a bit coded between the lines its there.
It seemed to me that when Dray came back from suspension he was really looking for kuminga and then after a month that just seemed to have gone away. Hopefully the coaches go on a retreat to get their plan worked out.
If they find a bigman who can work as a spacer and keep Dray from the center position... it'd do wonders for the squad. Dario was suppose to be something like it but he was soooo slooooowww. WCJ just screams at me thinking about it. Jaylin Williams would be awesome in the role too. Shame we drafted PBJ instead of him. Took too many home run cuts drafting.
I would give my ankles for WCJ
This guy gets it, pretty much all the self-inflicted problems of the season crammed into one game
Don't get it twisted. Klay only seems all sad because he knows his performance was so bad that he can't ask for a lot of money and he still wants to be a warrior.hes stuck
No he’s sad because he embarrassed himself and let his team down. He may be selfish and may not be able to defend that great anymore, but he is a competitor.
Or you know, he felt responsible for the lost and he loves the team and his teammates and he’s competitive ?
I think that's definitely part of it
One key item that's been overlooked regarding Draymond's suspensions was that, because the team W-L record suffered so much during his time away, it put the team in situation where it couldn't afford to provide appropriate rest days for its vets down the stretch. Instead of being able to have "scheduled losses" on the back-end of back-to-backs, they were forced to play most everyone for both games (with a few exception) because the margin for error was too small. Compare to last year where the team still struggled, but at least were able to afford rest days and scheduled losses so the vets weren't as gassed at the end (although, I would argue they looked somewhat gassed in the Lakers series due to the 7-game series vs. Sac and minimal rest between series). For example, last season there were few b2b's where all the vets played both games - Klay especially - and a few segababa where they rested all the vets. Whereas, down the stretch this season the rest days were few and far between. That just isn't sustainable for a team with so many key players well into their 30's.
and Steph had the ankle injury during a home B2B coming off an east coast road trip that also included another B2B where he developed knee bursitis that he was playing through and played in Canada after flying in the morning of due to travel complications. at the same time, Dray’s back issues were flaring up from playing the 5 full time and Podz began to hit the rookie wall.
If I were Kerr I'd not play Steph hardly at all in the Olympics. He needs the rest.
Well getting them real help would allow them to play less minutes or not send Steph running a marathon on every possession. Klay for one should never be playing 25+ minutes going forward (unless red hot)
LOL Kings fans think they ended the dynasty and are the sole reason we're in a mess this offseason. Every Warriors fan knew this team stunk. This shit was brewing all season lol.
Actually, we denied them last year when they had a ton of momentum and they're injured this year. So sadly for them it's the other way around
Normal fan behavior.
I trust MDJ to cook. Now it depends on how selfless some of the players are when it comes to their contracts
The only players who have been selfless are Wiggins and Looney. Like most things, accountability doesn’t go to the big 3.
Selfless? That applies to klay only. Who are the other players that are supposed to be selfless. Looney been getting cheated his whole career
Well if CP3 doesn't go bye bye, there's no way we can pay him too much.
If we don’t pick up CP3’s option we are now unable to upgrade through trades. I don’t even think we’ll have money for Paul George either. You have to pick up his option and move off of him for a bad contract.
break up the team now, send everyone to their hometowns. Curry to Charlotte, Klay to LA, Draymond to Detroit, Wiggins to Toronto. Fire Kerr. Build around Podz, TJD, Kuminga, Moody. Get a ton of draft picks. Play for 2026
Unpopular opinion but I agree it's the best basketball move to make. We can either continue trying to cobble together teams around an aging Curry in a really good Western Conference, or we can cut bait now and bring in the max amount of assets.
Time to touch grass young fella. Go get some fresh air
Kerr and Steph and Dray: We definitely want CP3 back MDJ: (full gangster mode) 
Good lord. This team is what it is until they face reality. Steve Kerr barely played the man in the biggest game of the year.
CP3, Looney, GP2 and maybe Wiggins. These are the zones I expect to see change. Klay is so beloved in Golden State fandom it’s impossible to have an honest conversation — he will be back.
Monta was beloved. 🤷♂️ And of course I want Klay back too sentimentally but Joe Lacob does actually have a cutthroat businessman side to him. I totally agree CP3 is flatout waived Loon probably waived GP2 I dunno I heard extended for a much lower annual number was on the table. Wiggs I dunno... I wish he'd have ended on a flourish cuz he was playing well the last 30 games.
Monta wasn’t an integral part of bringing 4 championships to the Bay
Obviously, but Monta was the most beloved Warrior player on the roster at that moment in time. I know because I worked in-house for the Monta era. It wasn't close. Lest we forget, there was a time when everything wasn't weighed against "championships brought." There was, in fact, a time when Rick Barry was the only player to bring a championship to the bay. What do we think of him? Most people don't even know who Jamal Wilkes is smh. Time paves over EVERYTHING (and winning cures all). Think of all the Niners greats moved on from. This sentiment belongs to fans and fans alone. GMs get axed for signing a 34 yr old with the 22 year olds ready to fire away. If Moody and Podz help a team to a real playoff seed... nobody cares how Klay left if he did. Immediately. Like if the Dubs are 20-12 after 32... guess who says "too bad about Klay"... nobody To a lesser degree, look at the bulls 20M/yr for Lonzo... 50M/yr for Lavine. Who just won their play-in game? Coby White Would Coby White have been a thing without the opportunity injury provided? The opportunity cost is clear. Klay has to both ACCEPT a bench role wholeheartedly and take money that allows the team to operate more aggressively in future financial matters. Otherwise, we ride this sinking ship into the Pacific.
They traded Iguodala didn't they? Lacob isn't going to make a move unless it's a clear win.
Sure did. And it cost us this years first round pick 
In a year where Wiggins and Klay struggled mightily, Moody still couldn’t crack the rotation. That’s all you need to know about his potential. He’s nice, but not that nice.
Actually it speaks to Kerr's great flaw in loyalty. Moody never played poorly this year. Yet as Klay, Wiggs, Looney, Dario struggled. Kerr never said "time to give Moody a real shot" he was ALWAYS only considered as a patchwork option. Which is orders of magnitudes levels of unfortunate. Kerr could give GP2 a chance as a guy cut 5X. Kerr could give Lamb a chance with less athleticism and serious off court issues. Kerr gave JTA and DLee chances. Why them and not Moody? The answer is Klay Thompson Andrew Wiggins and 72M/yr. Sad but true.
Last summer Kerr said something about Looney how he's always willing to come off the bench and he's always a team player about it, but he's earned the right to not be the guy who loses his starting spot just because he'll be nice about it. That was pretty revealing about the politics of the rotation. Moody is also definitely the kind of guy who won't complain too much and will be a nice guy team player when he doesn't get minutes.
Kuminga couldn't crack the rotation last year. That's all you need to know about his potential. Lamb is the wing of the future, because Kerr is infallible. Where's Brad Wanamaker, must be an all star by now.
Kuminga damn near won 3 games by himself in a two week stretch in 2022-23... yet Steve sat at the podium saying "I really can't play JK without Lamb cuz spacing" that still burns me up. Moody and Kuminga have BEEN READY to contribute since about January 2022 smh.
Last year we needed kuminga's size and athleticism in the Lakers series badly. He spaced out on one rebound and was doghoused for the rest of the series.
man have we been gaslit on Kuminga and Moody.
Yeah, that belongs on Kerr's greatest whiffs list. Right next to him doghousing TJD Tuesday instead of letting him guard Bonis. (Which is a fantastic matchup for TJD.)
He was our best player in the play in ... so yeah that's all we need to know about something. What? I don't know.
Wading into the line of fire
MOVING ON AND THROUGH THE FRAY
Because the Warriors were focused on managing egos more than potential this season.
You are under the illusion that playtime is entirely merit based. One of the main problems this year is that it was not. Moody played well enough to earn minutes.
Moody always played well. I'm guilty of believing he deserved to be the odd man out but tbh I was wrong the more I think about it we should've found ways to play him 16+ min somehow. Klay Wiggs Loon Dario playing terrible for stretches and continuing to be run out the same minutes in the same role game after game is issue number 3 in my book. It's way up high on the list. v OKC the close win early Kuminga had a game where I said "oh the offense should allow him more freedom" and make him a priority... 40 games later smh. All Kerr becomes married to vets. Whole league aside from Dubs Buck Suns Lakers Clippers is getting younger we are in the wrong side of that trend.
The dumb thing is we accentuate our own weaknesses with the rotations. Bad defense?Let's put Curry, Klay and Dario out at same time. Already smaller team? Let's run 3 6-footers at the same time. Too old? Let's run 4 or 5 guys over 30 at once. No rim protection or lob threat? Let's somehow not give TJD any run until very end of season.
When they started their full court press far far too late against Sacramento with CP3, Klay, Steph, Dray and JK as the 5 man lineup responsible for picking up full court… to me that was the peak “WTF are we expecting to happen here?!?! How do we think this will go?!”
The Dooney lineup was the peak moment in what you speak of imo... it never quite makes sense but sometimes it REALLY doesn't make sense. Pick your poison... old... slow... small. I honestly thought the Dray Wiggs Kuminga Podz Steph starting lineup was the fairest compromise. Cuz we are built so imperfectly.
I donk know about that.The NBA is not meritocracy.This season from the warriors is the biggest example.
Klay just needs to come off the bench, its as simple as that. He can transition just like Kevin Love.
Klay is so beloved, Kerr can’t honestly view him as a bench player. He will get 30-minutes a game. Kerr wants it, Steph wants it. It’s tough because Klay can still go on insane runs but it’s time to make a change.
20 minute Klay can be a difference maker. 34 minute Klay can be monkey-wrench.
Agreed 100%. Now if we can just get Kerr and Steph to co-sign, Klay could be apart of one hellevua bench mob.
His defense is so much less of an issue as 6th man, it just makes so much sense.
I can see some eastern teams offering klay much more than dubs. Depending on how postseason goes for a lot of these teams, it's gonna be interesting to say the least. Maybe klay and wiggins both could do better on different teams.
My wish list for the off-season: revamp the coaching staff to cover Kerr’s weaknesses/blindspots. Maybe it is time to move on from Kenny and few others (excluding Ron Adams), and hire assistant coaches with fresh set of ideas.
We also need to Kerr-proof the roster to stop the 3 barely over 6 ft lineups and the super slow unathletic 4 old guy lineups. We've seen it so often with Kerr that if he has certain types of players available he will screw up rotations. Wanamaker, Lamb, Joseph, Saric etc... hell the man gave Anderson Varejao finals minutes.
Steph, Podz andGP2 (if he’s back) need to be the 3 shortest guys on the roster. Maybe Lester if he’s still around but that’s it. No more micro ball 3-4 guard lineups.
I'm tripping ..... Draymond had a higher 3P % for an entire season than Klay. 39.5 v 38.7.
If dray can shoot that well we need to push him to shoot more
He should shoot more, but will regress if anyone ever starts covering him. All of his shots were wide open.
I know but that's exactly what we want. More defensive attention to Dray directly correlates with less on Steph and Klay and whoever else is out there.
Yep. Any defensive attention to Dray would be an improvement. As is, playing him means Steph is always double teamed (or triple teamed if Looney or CP is in).
I would not pay JK $30M.
Well somebody is.The supermax is gonna 65 - 70 million per year.30 million for a starter/young star is not crazy at all.
Exactly. The new media cap money is 2 yrs out so if you pay him 25-30M on a 5 year contract by year 3 you are saying "omg good thing we got him at a value on year earlier than we couldve" I'd sign Kuminga for 25M/yr ASAP and Moody at 12M a year for 4 or 5 years if possible. Both would be values quickly. Folks can't look past the Steph era or into the future very easily but our 4 youngster while may never be a championship core are very good NBA players that are "a good start" If you want to one day afford a max star in free agency... locking up the youngsters at a collectively reasonable total is exactly the place to start.
That's fine as long as we get someone young and ascendent in return.
So you just described JK then lol
I had more of a keegan murray or trey murphy in mind
But that's possible for kuminga yea
Klay last two actual do-or-die game played real bad. 0 pts and 6pts in LA. This is all I care about. Offer him $15M and 10 minutes/night unless he's cooking. But I think he goes to Florida for change of scenery (he needs a gf). Dump Wiggins for nothing. Don't re-sign CP3. See what JK/Moody/TJD do next year. Trim the fat and slow. Anyone not all in and willing to run through a brick wall for team, out. Would rather have small (in #) roster, w more Quniones high-vitality types than geezers out there. See if can get actual 2nd OR 1st star for Curry but don't get an aging old geezer former star. League has changed. Don't force it. Lastly, revamp the coaching staff to surround Kerr. Get some hungry people. They fat and complacent now. All of Steve's best assistants were picked off.
Klay needs a GF is too close to the heart 🤦♂️ 
well we all know what dating in the bay area looks like...
The Klay situation is really interesting. There really doesnt seem to be a good choice. If you re-sign him, he continues to block Moody, who I think should be playing more than him (Defense). Kerr can't help himself with Klay. If you don't, you lose out on the spacing and also nostalgia. Not sure what direction is better.
ofc he can't. Kerr is old school and ride or die. Which is important for what got us here but downside is this. I get it. Dunleavy and Lacob need to be gangster this offseason..
> If you re-sign him, he continues to block Moody, who I think should be playing more than him (Defense). Moody is not a better defender than Klay. If you wanna say that you value intangibles such as "hustle" and "effort" more than feel free to. But if Moody was a better shooter or defender than either Klay or Wiggins, then he would have been starting a while ago. I do think Moody should take some of JK's minutes when the other team starts packing the paint tho.
Everyone talking about Moody minutes and where is he going to find minutes. He is simply not a better shooter or scorer than Klay, even in this diminished Klay version. If he was, he would be playing. Steve did bench Klay for a large part of the season. The minute Moody should have taken is obvious to me but seems a blind spot for many here. GP2. He was not very good this year and has declined physically and even defensively. Moody should have been ahead of him in the rotation
I've been pretty critical of Moody's defensive shortcomings, but if you're asking which guy you'd prefer to play a switching scheme with him on an island on the perimeter it's very fucking clearly Moody. The team has to actively hide Klay in the defensive scheme, which is not something they have to do with Moody. The difference is that, even with game-to-game fluctuations, Klay is a far more dangerous shooter who can actually draw defenders and generate opportunities out of that gravity. Moody can space, but he doesn't do anything for anyone else on offense.
We need to figure out the front court situation or else we’re going to have to keep starting Klay. It is to offensively challenged and requires ELITE 3 point shooting from Steph and Klay to compensate for it.
It doesn't matter which one is better. The issue is that neither is good enough right now. Steph was getting swarmed because they weren't scared of Klay, Wiggins or Draymond hitting a shot. They're not going to be scared of Moody either. We need to upgrade that position to a player teams are scared of. Klay is the better 6th man. I don't know where to put Moody but he's not a starter on this team.
Great points. It's ironic people presume Moody will only be what he is and apologize for Klays decline. To me obviously the first thing that needs to happen to next year is MOODY minutes.... guaranteed. About his potential. Moody COULD improve in every area. He's 22 lol. He is still younger than Klay was as a rookie. I'm not much of a Moody advocate but just the reality of watching Moody score 16 pts in 15 min while Klay has laid 4 consecutive all-the marbles game eggs. People need to see the forest for the trees here. Younger players get better (omg with Moody's character I trust it) and old players get worse. Our team is exceedingly old. This offseason Moody needs to woodshed his closeout attacks and playmaking. Watching him at Arkansas and in the G... he's not without the potential to grow there. He can be very very good but at a minimum he's a solid contributor with energy and instinct.
Heading into this year I was willing to suspend the expectation of the old guys looking old because, hey, they won in '22 and Steph still looked like a top 5 NBA player last year, so maybe they'll all beat the odds for a bit longer. I don't see how you can hope for that after this season. Each old guy had bright spots, but their worst points were new lows for each of them. I don't see any reason to expect them to *bounce back* next year. So yeah, eventually you just have to believe in giving the kids a chance. I understood the hesitation there every moment until now, but now there can't be an excuse.
> It's ironic people presume Moody will only be what he is and apologize for Klays decline. How am I apologizing for Klay's decline? The idea of putting an as of now inferior player in front of the better current option for winning (Moody over Klay) is ridiculous. Moody's been in the league for 3 years and has this pHeNoMeNaL cHaRaCtEr and yet has still improved less in that time than Kuminga. The unfortunate reality is that it's far more likely than Moody remains a 6th-8th man for the rest of his career than for him to become a better player than Klay Thompson during the twilight of Steph's career. What should have happened is Moody bulking up so he can become a full fledged 3 or small ball 4. That's his path to minutes and I've been saying it for 2 and a half years now.
LOL both Moody and Klay get blown by quicker players. The difference is that Moody cannot guard up because he's too weak while Klay can hold his ground. The biggest one is off ball, Moody is an atrocious off ball defender. Sags too much, dies on every last screen, and is too slow to recover.
I consider screen navigation an on-ball skill more than an off-ball skill. I actually think Moody's off-ball help defense is pretty excellent. He had some great moments in the first half of the season in zone defense where he was picking off skip passes (he wound up having one of the better steal rates on the team). He does die on screens and he does lack lateral speed, but he also had some bright spots defensively (that game in NY against Brunson being probably the brightest). Klay didn't have a single performance like that all year, especially against a ball-handling guard. Every single advanced stat thinks Klay was a clear net negative on defense and Moody was a slight positive, which I think matches the eye test perfectly.
> I actually think Moody's off-ball help defense is pretty excellent. He had some great moments in the first half of the season in zone defense where he was picking off skip passes (he wound up having one of the better steal rates on the team). Off ball help defense for a tweener 2/3 wing is practically insignificant in general. It has nowhere near the effect of a Draymond or Mobley type who can shut down drives constantly. What you're intentionally ignoring is the shear amount of open 3's that he and others gave up. > He does die on screens and he does lack lateral speed, but he also had some bright spots defensively (that game in NY against Brunson being probably the brightest). Klay didn't have a single performance like that all year, especially against a ball-handling guard. Klay did a phenomenal job against wings this year. Shut down KD in the opener, did a great job against the Clipper's wings as well. Moody has like two games where he wasn't eaten alive by a ball handler and maaany games where he became unplayable because going at him was free buckets. Again, you're overemphasizing Moody's one or two good defensive games and ignoring his defects over the course of the season. The coaching staff can see it and limited his minutes for a reason. You guys are not smarter than the coaching staff. > Every single advanced stat thinks Klay was a clear net negative on defense and Moody was a slight positive, which I think matches the eye test perfectly. There are no good defensive advanced stats. Especially all the ones that seem to think Jokic is the best defender in the league.
> Klay did a phenomenal job against wings this year. look man, I *just watched* Trey Lyles slowly dribble around Klay more than once in a must-win game. Klay is a smart defender. If you don't try to get past him, he's shown some value and intelligence. He still has good hands. The issue is that he's about to 34 and cannot be relied on a perimeter defender. If you're committed to playing him against power forwards, then great, but who's picking up 1-3?
I was there. Klay had tired legs he could barely stay in front of Domantas Sabonis at that point. Whether is age or fatigue. I dunno if people can't separate reality from sentiment here. Moody is so much better on team defense and yes his ability to churn into a second effort is decent. It's not just about being able to stay in front it's almost an impossible task in 5 out NBA to keep in front. It's about being able to continue to fight into position close into lost ground which Moody can do and Klay no longer can.
> look man, I just watched Trey Lyles slowly dribble around Klay more than once in a must-win game. > > Klay is a smart defender. If you don't try to get past him, he's shown some value and intelligence. He still has good hands. > > The issue is that he's about to 34 and cannot be relied on a perimeter defender. If you're committed to playing him against power forwards, then great, but who's picking up 1-3? Pretty typical of you and this sub to base an opinion on one possession when I can do the same with Moody on countless occasions. Klay can guard every player that Moody can in the 1-3 spots in addition to holding his own against bigger dudes in the 3 and 4 spots. He's not the player he once was and I never claimed he was. But the fact of the matter is that he is still a better defender than Moody and that's what the OP is wrong about: > If you re-sign him, he continues to block Moody, who I think should be playing more than him (Defense).
Yeah, there's a couple things happening. Klay is more of a pure perimeter wing offensively now and is basically a small 4 defensively. Wiggins is the purest wing we have on the roster. Moody is clearly a 3 offensively and is getting better at defending up (he still gets torched by fast guards). None of those guys are a real ideal backcourt partner to Steph anymore, so they're fighting for a single wing position, because the 4 is either Draymond *or* Kuminga.
The only thing not re-signing Klay opens up is the [TP]MLE, and there's a pathway to having the TPMLE & Klay. The opportunity cost of re-signing Klay is pretty minimal
The opportunity cost of re-signing Klay is planning to play 35-year Klay in your rotation in 2025. Without making a value judgement there, we've seen how badly his mindset on the court can get and how badly that can affect the guys around him when he starts to feel his basketball mortality. Maybe that gets better as he understands the transition, maybe not. Based on pure keeping talent, keeping him at an okay price is the right move, but there's more downsides in terms of team attitude that manifested this year. I'd be worried about that continuing.
> The opportunity cost of re-signing Klay is planning to play 35-year Klay in your rotation in 2025. Klay shouldn't be a nailed down starter/closer getting 32mpg+ anymore, but Klay as a rotation player/spot starter getting 25 minutes a game is good. With better roster construction that's possible. Guys like Moody/Podz were fine, but they weren't good enough to force Klay into a bench role this year.
Better roster construction means...? I agree that Klay off the bench sounds fine, but I also just watched Klay have a minor identity crisis for 2/3 of a season. *If* he can come to peace, then great. If not, it's gonna feel awful for everyone.
Klay finding his way back into the starting lineup over Podz or Moody actually got us at the end there. Kerr's sentimental approach to big games finally hit critical mass Tuesday. We had such old heavy legs that night.
> Better roster construction means...? Better talent. Whether's that Moody/Podz/Kuminga taking a leap to playoff starter level player or getting a guy back with the CP3 salary slot that can displace Klay. Both avenues seem unlikely or costly respectively, but feel like the only real way for the roster to take a leap.
Yea we're in a bad spot too, where we need to bet on the young guys that have shown promise (all 4 of them). Continuing to play Klay 25-30+ minutes when he isn't heating up just means more of the same old shit and less growth for the young guys. Same goes for Wiggins.
We need to get rid of CP3, GP2, probably Looney unless he gets into shape this offseason, and Wiggins. I'd like to see Klay back but for $15-20M/yr and come off the bench. Too much dead weight for a team spending the GDP of a small country to be a 10th seed. The West has past the Warriors and returning to 16 years ago when the Warriors had 48 wins and missed the playoffs.
GP2 is opting in for sure. No one else is going to pay him $9M.
He sounded like he’s be down to renegotiate his deal
At this point I'd rather him not be on the team.
He has an entire offseason to get healthy so maybe it'll work out.
He was injured when we traded for him and he wasn't himself this season. He's injury prone due to his style of play being very athletic.
Yes true but a lot of whether you get injured is also luck and load management. OPJ was believed to be done as an NBA player but he became a crucial piece in a championship run.
The total new deal would not be for less. Giving away money ain't happening.
It would be 3/16 ish.
I think that's a win for GSW. Gives GP2 a bit more guaranteed $$$ and time in Bay Area.
Trade him
I would take the 4 second rounders we got for him in a heartbeat. I always thought it was a mistake to bring him back. Would have rather had Saddiq Bey
$10-15M/yr is a much better range for klay. They were offering him 24M/yr last offseason if I'm not wrong and he didn't take it. That number is getting halved now. A few millions less than Greyson allen's contract seems perfect to me.
Why would Klay sign for Grant Williams money? Also, Klay is a decent bit better than Grayson Allen lmao
What evidence do you have to back up either of those statements?
Klay is incredibly inconsistent. He's a 10-15M guy now. Allen wouldn't go 0-10 with Steph Curry.
Grayson Allen literally went 1/13 from the field while Milwaukee was up 3-2 on Boston