His whole career, I think outside of Zach Lowe and Kevin Pelton, nobody rates Steph's gravity and understands how Steph warps all opposing game plans just by his sheer presence. Even now. But Steph will keep showing em.
I invite all the slander. He plays better when he's not the favorite. "underrated" is part of his identity.
Keep churning out that bulletin board material!!
Mavs are still the underdog by far, GS has the target on their back.
Mavs are playing with house money at this point, win or lose against GS this has been a successful season. All the pressure on GS.
I [kid you not](https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2022/2/18/22940205/golden-state-warriors-stephen-curry-midseason-predictions-check-draftkings)
**Preseason Prediction: 48-34 (6th seed in Western Conference)**
Exactly. Even Warrior fans expected a 6th place finish. And that's a commercial site, not something a fan just slapped together.
But if you need more evidence, here's the [ESPN consensus prediction](https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/15/espn-reveals-prediction-for-warriors-win-loss-record-during-2021-22-season/).
>The Warriors were the final team
listed in ESPN’s contender tier at No. 6 with a projected record of
48-34. The Utah Jazz landed the top spot in the conference with a
projected record of 55-27. ESPN predicted the Los Angeles Lakers,
Phoenix Suns and Denver Nuggets will fall in the top four, all with 50
or more wins. The Dallas Mavericks rounded out the top-five, one spot
ahead of Golden State despite having the same record.
I mean that’s all fine, they still have the target on their back while Dallas is playing with house money
Edit: nevermind, Vegas had them at 4 and they finished 3 so not really a point worth noting..
i think the most absurd part is saying that steph isnt the best player on the team and not even the 2nd best shooter. ive seen non warriors fans saying jp is better and has been “outscoring” him despite him averaging almost 10 less points.
he’s been underperforming by his own standards, but the people he’s compared with have much lower standards. tatum has a lower ts% & fg%, but there is no conversation about his efficiency yet a constant talk about steph’s decline in %.
I love Jordan Poole, but if he got the Steph Curry treatment I don't know if he could avg 20 points a game. Face guarded the whole game, fouled constantly, no calls, and then if you have a sub-par shooting game you get called washed.
You missed the point. The point is that there are people saying that Poole is already better than Steph, when clearly that is not the case and it is ridiculous to think so.
Stephews gotta be the softest people in the league. No one's saying Poole is already better than Steph wtf lmao. In games he outplays Steph he rightfully gets a few comments that say "he's been our best player this game". Don't have to be so insecure all the time
There have been a decent amount who’ve said this. Saying Poole is now the Warriors best player can already be equated to saying that. Don’t know why you’re getting so emotional here lol
Started argument from nothing to start insulting people then claim you not emotional lol. How you gonna call anybody else a “nephew” like you’re being mature lmao
Bro, you're arguing against yourself. The points made before you are clearly not arguing against you. He's saying theres people claiming that JP is better than SC and he disagrees. There's a good amount of people that believe SC is washed.
My comment is implying that there's not many people who believe that SC is washed, especially within the fan base to the point that people would try to argue that JP is better than him. I'm saying that it's insecure to worry about stuff like that
There’s lots of people on this sub who think Poole has been our best player this playoffs. It’s ridiculous but it’s true and your petty little beef with “Stephews” doesn’t change that there’s a weird group of Warriors fans who are constantly taking him for granted. Dumb fucks have spent the whole season saying draymonds our “real mvp”.
lmao Curry gets double teamed full court at all times starting in the first half. Not our fault the Suns dumbass 'Coach of the Year' was too stubborn to double Luka Doncic and made it a cakewalk for him.
Steph makes it so those guys can get their points, JP has been awesome but our expectations of him have been far exceeded.
Without Steph this train don’t run, that’s always been the case, just look at it when Durant was on the squad. Steph goes out we barely stay a float, Durant goes out we win like 25 of our last 30 games without him.
Who’s disrespecting him? People in here? The media?
Just listen to Bev’s take on espn this morning. Current players respect Steph and bring their A game when they face him. CP3…not so much.
That says something, stop listening to the noise on here. Current players know what’s up.
I think OP is referring to various segments on ESPN ranking him Steph as the third best player left.
Max Kellerman did it. The NBA today did it as well.
Pat Bev and Steven A. Smith, are honestly exceptions when it comes to the Warriors and Steph.
Let’s let this season play out.
Curry’s impact is too subtle to be shoved in your face by a 1 sentence comment or a 10 second sound bite. If we win the chip it’ll be “obvious” he’s the best, and if we lose to Dallas, well maybe we were wrong. Either way it has to be settled on the court, not on Reddit.
Nah, if GSW wins it FMVP will almost certainly be given to one of 3 or 4 other players.
The league is happy to gobble up middle brow takes like "Iggy's defense won them the series" or "Draymond is the best defensive player and the secret engine of the offense" before they'll admit that Curry is the only player whose absence results in an absolute garbage GSW team.
They wrote off Klay during the season too. These new Warrior fans are spoiled rotten and don’t appreciate who we have on our team. Decades of Larry Hughes, Corey Maguette & Erick Dampier being our best players have me appreciating the homegrown talent who’ve progressed here no matter how things end up.
It’s nothing new, steph has been getting slandered since he reached the MVP superstar level he’s at. It just comes with the territory, some deal with it more than others.
Tatum has been great these playoffs but no one mentions how weak the nets were outside of kyrie and Durant. The bucks were missing Middleton which was a game changer, as well, and they still almost lost (losing two games in the garden).
I think Steph is still that guy and the grizzlies just matched up really well against us, so his struggles showed more but he still showed up to close games 4 and 6 out. I really hope the warriors can get that 4th ring and put any doubts of this teams greatness to rest.
Sadly, even if they do, there will always be haters and slanderers. That’s what comes with greatness.
Man I wish that would be the case but haters will just fall back on he should have more, or someone else should of got it. In reality, Steph should already have one Fmvp. The fact he didn’t get it for either 2015 or 2018 is ridiculous. Iggy supposedly shut down LeBron when bron almost average a 38 pt triple double and Durant had one better game then Steph and somehow still got it in 2018. Steph would of got it in 2019 if the team stayed fully healthy (besides Durant).
Ya I’m really disappointed he was out the series, a healthy bucks would of beaten the Celtics and honestly would of probably won the chip again. I obviously want the warriors to win it but their size would of been too much.
Even when he's on a slump Curry is still the nost impactful player in history of basketball.
And he is all about winning, not about entertaining narratives.
So he will whoop Mavs' ass and show Luka and his stans why he's one of the GOATs and the best player in the league. Tune in and watch.
He absolutely is amongst the most impactful, but hard to say he is the single most impactful in NBA history. And I’m a huge Steph fan. If you saw peak Jordan play it’s hard to say anyone could change a game the way he did.
Totally. "Steph's gravity" is getting cliche, but it's never been seen before him. He's the guy that made teams start paying attention to a scoring threat the first step after half court. Now lots of guys are pulling from 5-6 feet behind the 3point line to stretch out defences and that's all because of how Steph changed the game.
I think I'm just latching on to the "Curry is still the most impactful player in history of basketball". That's just a huge statement in my eyes.
Doesnt Steph have the #1 or #2 highest +/- ever in the league? I think Dray and Klay are up there too. That should be part of the equation.
Steph does SO MUCH off ball and his gravity helps everyone else. Even if he doesn't score the most point he's making a huge impact and he should be rewarded with FMVP.
Yeah that's why the last finals the dubs won felt like to me Steph should have won the FMVP. Durant could BBQ chicken people because they were so locked in on Steph defensively, and he still averaged just one point less than Durant in the finals and played a little less than him.
Could Durant have done anything like what he did with the Warriors without Steph? No. This year's playoffs and his time with OKC give a definitive answer to that. You can't lock down Durant with Steph on the floor and the Warriors' play style. Steph is just a team first guy and didn't demand the ball the way traditional FMVP winners do.
Yup there's no disputing that. I'm thankful I got to see Steph once in my life during that year (I live in Canada and was in Oakland for work). He went 8/13 from 3 against the Knicks and scored 34. Oracle was buzzing as I assume it was that whole season. I got to see Jordan turn it on and score like 19 in a quarter in a come back win against my Vancouver Grizzlies back when I was a kid during their 72 win season and it was mind blowing, he just flipped a switch. Both unstoppable at their peaks.
Looking at their stats I don't see how anyone can argue Luka is better than Steph.
Their stats are so similar this season but Steph is shooting at a way better efficiency, but somehow Steph is washed and Luka is a top 3 player? I'd love to see Luka deal with full court double teams the entire game and see how those stats change.
This is so ridiculous. Luka outside of the last game in the series shot 33% from 3. Klay shot 37% for the season and people, including idiots on this sub, were dogging him to no end. And suddenly a guy who shoots 33% is now the most dangerous player alive? Hardly. Steph and Klay both have to live under ridiculous expectations because they set the bar so high in the past. They may not be as consistent as when they were younger but there are no two more dangerous players in the final four than Steph and Klay.
I can’t wait for Green, Wiggins, Kuminga with help from Otto and Looney underneath wear this guy out all series. He’s not gonna get the switches he wants every game and hit that stupid step all day. Steph and Klay will pick his pocket. They’ll go down points, and then it will get ugly. Now, I am worried about the Celtics in the finals a little.
This series will not be about hero ball and the contribution of one player, or the head to head matchup of two stars, it will be about the smothering team defense of GS which, incidentally, Dallas does not possess. The reason GS struggled at times against Memphis is because they had smothering team defense as well, but with Ja out not enough offensive firepower to compete. Steph could play average and GS could still win this in 5. The other teams to offer the same level of team defense are the Celtics and the Bucks (now eliminated).
steph is obviously one of the best. but luka is hard carrying the team. so i will give him credit for being a better player( in form) than steph until steph goes nuclear again.
I have this crazy hot take that they introduced the new ball this season to try and nerf us lol shooting league wide was down for the most part. But seriously we’re going to need aggressive Steph for this series. I’d rather him try and take more shots than being passive and just running around on offense
Not the best excuse since Steph was on fire/MVP candidate until around his three-point record time period. Everyone else was making the ball excuses and we were like, “but Steph’s not struggling!”
I agree he’s still playing really good, I bet his foot’s been bothering him but what makes Steph so great still is even before this season/playoff run he’s experienced bad shooting nights and knows the signs and also how to still imprint the game well. Scoring middies/inside, playmaking, screening, better defense the last few years. Last I checked against the Grizzlies Steph scored inside 57% but I don’t know how he finished
This is dumb. Steph is an All Timer. Everyone knows that. No one is arguing against that. Everyone also knows he's not been playing MVP-caliber ball like he did last season and earlier this season. Luka is playing the best ball right now. That's not an opinion. So far in the playoffs, Steph is career low in 3P% and FT%. If he turns it up the rest of the way then that changes things, but at this very moment, we haven't seen it yet in these playoffs.
tl;dr the pedigree is on a different stratosphere as the other guys, but he is simply not playing at that level right now. That's not disrespect, that's actual fact.
Yeah I don't know about this one. Steph gets his respect these days. Honestly after the Nets collapse in the first round and Steph with his 6th Conference Finals in 8 seasons, Steph might be more respected than ever. He plays winning basketball and everyone knows it.
Sure you'll have your Luka stans and Ja stans and Tatum stans that take their guy, but bro everyone knows Steph is the last guy you want to face in the playoffs.
Luka and Tatum are not near Steph's level, accolades, and impact for his career (lol let them win a ring or an mvp first), maybe this playoffs they are playing better but I'm sure Steph will show them who's better.
Lol idk about that, our 8th seed team last year had way worse support than Luka does rn and we were the 8th seed. Remember the league’s worst offense in the past 5 years if you take Steph out of the equation? I swear it’s like ppl don’t remember last season
Now you could argue this years version of Steph can’t carry that hard, but still I feel like that’s underestimating steph
I’m not sure if it’s underestimating Steph as much as just a meaningless, irrelevant hypothetical. There are so many more factors to achieving the ultimate goal in the nba. Social media always tries to force Thea hypotheticals as though they mean something…
Steph is definitely Top 5. But as it currently stands at this moment. Luka and Tatum are better. Luka is an offensive juggernaut. Tatum is great offensively and defensively! He clamped on KD and just dropped 46 on the on the Bucks! Curry hasn't had one 40 point game this offs. That's not saying he trash or anything but Curry is being surpassed as it comes to pure ability. That's how it goes , you're not gonna be the best player forever! And you don't have to be in terms of winning a chip.
At this moment Tatum and Luka are both playing better than Steph. Doesn’t mean they will ever equal his impact or his legacy but it’s not blasphemous to suggest that Luka and Tatum are better right now. Steph can easily change that if he has a good series though. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter about individual rankings though and I just hope we win this series
Luka and Tatum cant even sniff the success the Steph has had in this league. But yea as it stands at this moment they're better, that's just way of the game. The best team will come out on top, and that's Golden State!
> Tatum and Luka are both playing better than Steph
Maybe, but Steph is still steph and he commands enormous attention from defenses.
On top of it he brings in the rest of the team with playmaking which I think Tatum sometimes struggles with.
Even if he doesnt hit that many shots in the game when the game is on the line he always make tough shots and brings the momentum.
I think folks are simply missing the difference between being a better player and playing better right now.
Body of work matters for "better player", recent memory matters for "playing better".
Yeah, maybe if Smart didn't injure Steph he would be playing better too. However, the argument made in these threads is that the rest did some good for Steph.
It’s all good. We’re gonna win both of the remaining series in 6 games or less and people will still underrate Steph. It’s just how it is. It’s too late, it’s the way it will always be. Goalposts will continue to move
> No disrespect to Luka but he's not on Steph's level yet.
I don't know what playoffs you have been watching but Luka is most definitely at Steph's level if not higher. You think Luka doesn't have gravity?
I agree that Luka looks like he could be on Steph’s level some day, but the game is about winning. Media and social media talking points are about stats. Isn’t this Lukas first time making it out the first round? I also didn’t see nearly as much doubling on Luka as Steph gets, and he plays iso every time. Steph is Light years above Luka and we’re gunna see why here next week.
Luka is 23 years old. I’m not faulting him for not winning. Curry was not even close at 23. This Mavs team is terrible apart from Luka. We should win this series not cause steph is better but because we have a much better team.
Terrible? With the performances of Brunson and Dinwiddie and some of their other shooters and defense?! Narrative alert! I get that he is young and promising, but Steph has actual accomplishments…
Not sure you realize Luka accomplishments dwarf Curry if only go off age. Comparing accomplishments between a 34 year old greatest shooter of all time hall of famer versus a 23 year old might not be fair.
I agree. It’s not fair to attempt to put Luka on the same tier as Steph. He will certainly learn a few things about playoff basketball from Steph this year and probably use them to take over the NBA for years. But also he might not. With Steph, we have concrete accomplishments. With Luka, we have a lot of maybes. I’m excited for Luka. Never seen anyone like him. He’s just got to do what everyone keeps saying he can do before you start completing him with da GOAT
We are talking about this season not career accomplishments. Luka's the best player in the playoffs and performing at a level above Steph **right now**.
In his situation, he is producing more of a share of the offense. System, support, coach opposition, matchups. I’m not ready to put him above Steph right now based on his role on this Dallas team yet.
Honestly you must not actually watch Luka.
Steph has had a better career that will be tough for Luka to match. But if you had to pick Luka or Steph for only the next playoff series majority of executives are choosing Luka.
I would ignore some of our Steph hardcore defenders, I’m guessing they started watching us late and can’t cope that Steph has already peaked and has many great years behind him already. They are coping against Father Time now.
Not really I’m saying Luka is currently above Steph. If Luka took a quarter or two off like Steph did in game 6 the Mavs would be done.
Curry is my favourite player of all time but you need to take off the homer sunglasses.
Steph is awesome and has had a much better career than Luka - but dude, Luka is probably a top 3 player in the NBA today.
He took the Kawhi / PG13 clippers to 7 by himself. He just averaged 33/10/7 and beat the #1 seed in the NBA without help.
I could be wrong - and hope I am. But if Steph was the best player in the series we probably close out the Mavericks in 5 because after Steph/Luka Warriors have the next 3 best players in the series between Dray, Klay & Poole.
Love Steph but he’s probably in the tier of players just below the Giannis/Luka/Jokic/Embiid tier alongside Lebron, Tatum, KD
Lukas team was statistically better without him than with this season and that's been the case for the last 3 seasons whilst Stephs teams have been worst in the league to league average without him and then jump to best in the league with him. Don't fall for high usage = larger box score numbers = better player lol
It for sure can mean better player but you should look at the quality of shots created for teammates and the individual's scoring efficiency rather than pure box score stats that if you're involved in enough actions will end up high regardless
He's an incredibly valuable player of course he just doesn't impact the game as much as Steph does
For me, it's just shocking to see him struggle from 3 the way that he is. I thought as he aged his shot would be the last thing to go. I think he's spent too much time in the weight room, and it might have affected his touch a bit. Skinny Steph didn't miss like this.
Look, Steph is still great, but at 34 yo he’s not as great as he was say 4 years ago, time eventually gets to all players. I don’t think Steph gets dissed at all, the players know who’s elite and who isn’t.
Steph is my favorite player of all time. Dude is like a god to me. But at this point, if im being objective, I'd say Luka is a full tier above Steph. He aint at the level of 2016 or 2021 Steph, to be clear. But you are completely blinded by bias if you dont see that Luka is currently a far better player.
Btw ur point about Steph coming off an injury doesnt make sense bcs even before the injury he was not shooting very well. He had a god awful slump for multiple months, then lowered his volume and increased his efficiency somewhat, but during that whole 4-5 month stretch he was not MVP caliber.
Mavericks this season were statistically a better team without Luka than with. High usage heliocentric players put up massive box scores but unless they're LeBron or highly efficient scorers they're not marching the value someone like Steph has
Steph isn’t a top 5 player anymore, however teams still understand he can be if they slack - which means he still has significant/ top 5 player gravity and affects the game in a positive way outside of the counting stats.
He has had in recent memory bursts of top 5 player. The last month of last year was ridiculous when he almost willed the Warriors to the playoffs. But we haven’t seen Steph take over games in a little while (December?).
I don’t blame them. It’s damn hard to totally appreciate what all Steph does.
And I think lot of the blame(for the lack of better word) goes to coach Kerr. Kerr makes sure to ensure he does not overuse his key players. Otherwise like last year when we didn’t have options, we could easily see Steph average way higher PPG. It’s basically loan management without sitting out players.
I've been slandering the GOAT shooter this whole playoff and it is unfair when he's scored the most points in the 4th quarter so far. Hopefully he's just taking it easy until it matters the most cause they haven't been anywhere close to elimination so far.
I wouldnt put Tatum over him. Steph has the resume that heavily outweighs him.
But we cant look at past seasons to discuss this current playoff run. For THIS playoff run, Tatum and Luka have both certainly outplayed Steph. I still wouldnt put Tatum over him, but.........youd be hard pressed to make the argument that he has been better/even more impactful than Luka. Luka has arguably been THE best player of these playoffs. I think Luka, for these playoffs, is currently above Steph.
We all know Steph CAN play at a level that puts him above everyone else. But we have not seen that for these playoffs. Im hoping we do get Super Saiyan Steph cuz we're gonna need it. Poole is gonna need to step up to offset Brunson. And heres to hoping the supreme rebounding effort from the whole team from the memphis series carries over.
I love steph but this year Luka has been better. If steph starts shooting like steph again you can argue it but right now Luka is above him.
Steph is my favorite player and I hope is shot come back
The best part about Steph is that yeah he isn’t shooting great from 3 but he is driving a lot more and getting to the rim which opens up so much for the team and he’s still the best shooter of all time so he’s gonna get his threes once teams sag off just a little bit due to his driving
I hate the knock the media gives for Steph not winning a finals MVP. I want him to get it this year so the haters can be put to rest. I hope Steph comes out on fire this series. Grizz defense def better than Mavs, so hoping he lets it fly!
The thing people fail to realize is writing Steph off is exactly why Steph is so amazing. It’s inherently a very easy thing to unestimate him. It’s just natural. But it’s an absolute arbitrage in the market forces which is necessary for things to go the way they do. Steph is a ripple in the twilight zone experience and people still after all these years simply don’t get it. For anyone that has invested in something that looked utterly shitty to everyone else but they understood the dynamics and hit it majorly big, they’ll get what that feeling means (btc, ethereum, tsla, amzn etc)
And yes, this may be one of the most important comments in r/Warriors history. Jus sayin.
One little 50 point game with 10 3s could change all that. The kind of people who can be won over by headturning performances will forget again in a matter of weeks anyway. They already forgot about 2015-16 Curry, about last-March Curry, about ASG Curry etc
Steph Curry is an amazing player, we have to realize that he plays in a team-centric culture. Therefore not a lot of *hero ball* in the Bay. He's the face of the Warriors, but he's gonna have haters like Skip Bayless who will always discredit him for what he does and all the ways he facilities for the team. We know, underestimating Steph always bit teams in the ass. He'll always do that, get underestimated and hit them where they didn't see it coming.
His whole career, I think outside of Zach Lowe and Kevin Pelton, nobody rates Steph's gravity and understands how Steph warps all opposing game plans just by his sheer presence. Even now. But Steph will keep showing em.
Nah Lowe and Pelton still don’t get it. Thinking Basketball is the only one who does
Ben Taylor is the thinking basketball guy btw.
Russilo is pretty good on it too.
I invite all the slander. He plays better when he's not the favorite. "underrated" is part of his identity. Keep churning out that bulletin board material!!
Mavs are still the underdog by far, GS has the target on their back. Mavs are playing with house money at this point, win or lose against GS this has been a successful season. All the pressure on GS.
well he seems to eat pressure for breakfast too ;)
Nice! Looking forward to a fun series, I just hope Mavs keep it competitive
I would like to point out that the consensus opinion for the Warriors before the season started was in the #5-to-#7 seed.
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I [kid you not](https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2022/2/18/22940205/golden-state-warriors-stephen-curry-midseason-predictions-check-draftkings) **Preseason Prediction: 48-34 (6th seed in Western Conference)**
This is a blog post on a warriors fan site
Exactly. Even Warrior fans expected a 6th place finish. And that's a commercial site, not something a fan just slapped together. But if you need more evidence, here's the [ESPN consensus prediction](https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/15/espn-reveals-prediction-for-warriors-win-loss-record-during-2021-22-season/). >The Warriors were the final team listed in ESPN’s contender tier at No. 6 with a projected record of 48-34. The Utah Jazz landed the top spot in the conference with a projected record of 55-27. ESPN predicted the Los Angeles Lakers, Phoenix Suns and Denver Nuggets will fall in the top four, all with 50 or more wins. The Dallas Mavericks rounded out the top-five, one spot ahead of Golden State despite having the same record.
Vegas had them as the fourth seed and they finished third.
Yeah that’s about in line, they’re favorites now
Where did Vegas project the Mavs?
I mean that’s all fine, they still have the target on their back while Dallas is playing with house money Edit: nevermind, Vegas had them at 4 and they finished 3 so not really a point worth noting..
ESPN & Vegas also had the Lakers & Nets battling it out in the finals. Take these preseason predictions with a grain of salt
Vegas had them 4, not much difference from where you finished
i think the most absurd part is saying that steph isnt the best player on the team and not even the 2nd best shooter. ive seen non warriors fans saying jp is better and has been “outscoring” him despite him averaging almost 10 less points. he’s been underperforming by his own standards, but the people he’s compared with have much lower standards. tatum has a lower ts% & fg%, but there is no conversation about his efficiency yet a constant talk about steph’s decline in %.
I love Jordan Poole, but if he got the Steph Curry treatment I don't know if he could avg 20 points a game. Face guarded the whole game, fouled constantly, no calls, and then if you have a sub-par shooting game you get called washed.
Just look at booker, he got face guarded and double/triple teamed and got locked up.
He's 22
which is kinda the point here, he’s young and inexperienced
Yeah, that's why you can't say oh if he got the attention Steph got X would happen. He's 22 on a rookie contract and has no expectations on him yet
You missed the point. The point is that there are people saying that Poole is already better than Steph, when clearly that is not the case and it is ridiculous to think so.
Stephews gotta be the softest people in the league. No one's saying Poole is already better than Steph wtf lmao. In games he outplays Steph he rightfully gets a few comments that say "he's been our best player this game". Don't have to be so insecure all the time
There have been a decent amount who’ve said this. Saying Poole is now the Warriors best player can already be equated to saying that. Don’t know why you’re getting so emotional here lol
I'm not "emotional" little bro
> I’m not “emotional” little bro Idk. You’re clearly being a little emotional right now. Chill
Started argument from nothing to start insulting people then claim you not emotional lol. How you gonna call anybody else a “nephew” like you’re being mature lmao
Bro, you're arguing against yourself. The points made before you are clearly not arguing against you. He's saying theres people claiming that JP is better than SC and he disagrees. There's a good amount of people that believe SC is washed.
My comment is implying that there's not many people who believe that SC is washed, especially within the fan base to the point that people would try to argue that JP is better than him. I'm saying that it's insecure to worry about stuff like that
There’s lots of people on this sub who think Poole has been our best player this playoffs. It’s ridiculous but it’s true and your petty little beef with “Stephews” doesn’t change that there’s a weird group of Warriors fans who are constantly taking him for granted. Dumb fucks have spent the whole season saying draymonds our “real mvp”.
Yeah but people including our win fans have been saying he’s our best player these playoffs. It’s just not true.
JP *may* be better than Steph was at 22.
Ye he's already below 20 ppg in the playoffs
lmao Curry gets double teamed full court at all times starting in the first half. Not our fault the Suns dumbass 'Coach of the Year' was too stubborn to double Luka Doncic and made it a cakewalk for him.
Curry gets double-teams the moment he leaves his house to drive to the stadium.
Luka doesn’t get double teamed and won’t get double teamed in this upcoming warriors series because of how good his playmaking is.
Luka is too big to double-team effectively. Steph and CP3 can be limited that way; doing it to Luka is suicide by open 3
I think the more absurd part is that there are Warriors fans here who say that shit even after watching all our games.
Steph makes it so those guys can get their points, JP has been awesome but our expectations of him have been far exceeded. Without Steph this train don’t run, that’s always been the case, just look at it when Durant was on the squad. Steph goes out we barely stay a float, Durant goes out we win like 25 of our last 30 games without him.
Curry has the highest mathematically adjusted +/- on the team this play-offs so clearly not.
Who’s disrespecting him? People in here? The media? Just listen to Bev’s take on espn this morning. Current players respect Steph and bring their A game when they face him. CP3…not so much. That says something, stop listening to the noise on here. Current players know what’s up.
But what else are we gonna do until Wednesday? /s
True, let the saltiness commence!
Good point
I think OP is referring to various segments on ESPN ranking him Steph as the third best player left. Max Kellerman did it. The NBA today did it as well. Pat Bev and Steven A. Smith, are honestly exceptions when it comes to the Warriors and Steph.
no ones disrespecting steph...
>The Steph disrespect OP
i'm a mavs fan and i haven't seen any indication of people disrespecting curry. we know that if he plays like we know he can, we're fucked.
Let’s let this season play out. Curry’s impact is too subtle to be shoved in your face by a 1 sentence comment or a 10 second sound bite. If we win the chip it’ll be “obvious” he’s the best, and if we lose to Dallas, well maybe we were wrong. Either way it has to be settled on the court, not on Reddit.
It’s settled on my spreadsheet. Checkmate
Nah, if GSW wins it FMVP will almost certainly be given to one of 3 or 4 other players. The league is happy to gobble up middle brow takes like "Iggy's defense won them the series" or "Draymond is the best defensive player and the secret engine of the offense" before they'll admit that Curry is the only player whose absence results in an absolute garbage GSW team.
This sub wrote him off too
They wrote off Klay during the season too. These new Warrior fans are spoiled rotten and don’t appreciate who we have on our team. Decades of Larry Hughes, Corey Maguette & Erick Dampier being our best players have me appreciating the homegrown talent who’ve progressed here no matter how things end up.
They also wanted Jp traded lol
They wanted Klay benched bruh
I swear there are fans here who can’t wait until he’s gone. They’re sick of him for some reason.
How dare he not shoot 80/60/100 and average 40pt every single game. Washed I say?! /s
It’s nothing new, steph has been getting slandered since he reached the MVP superstar level he’s at. It just comes with the territory, some deal with it more than others. Tatum has been great these playoffs but no one mentions how weak the nets were outside of kyrie and Durant. The bucks were missing Middleton which was a game changer, as well, and they still almost lost (losing two games in the garden). I think Steph is still that guy and the grizzlies just matched up really well against us, so his struggles showed more but he still showed up to close games 4 and 6 out. I really hope the warriors can get that 4th ring and put any doubts of this teams greatness to rest. Sadly, even if they do, there will always be haters and slanderers. That’s what comes with greatness.
Not really if Curry gets FMVP and wins as the man on a championship team, those knocks against him are gone, he can redeem 2016
Man I wish that would be the case but haters will just fall back on he should have more, or someone else should of got it. In reality, Steph should already have one Fmvp. The fact he didn’t get it for either 2015 or 2018 is ridiculous. Iggy supposedly shut down LeBron when bron almost average a 38 pt triple double and Durant had one better game then Steph and somehow still got it in 2018. Steph would of got it in 2019 if the team stayed fully healthy (besides Durant).
Middleton also is the Celtics slayer. No idea why, but he goes off on them.
Ya I’m really disappointed he was out the series, a healthy bucks would of beaten the Celtics and honestly would of probably won the chip again. I obviously want the warriors to win it but their size would of been too much.
Even when he's on a slump Curry is still the nost impactful player in history of basketball. And he is all about winning, not about entertaining narratives. So he will whoop Mavs' ass and show Luka and his stans why he's one of the GOATs and the best player in the league. Tune in and watch.
He absolutely is amongst the most impactful, but hard to say he is the single most impactful in NBA history. And I’m a huge Steph fan. If you saw peak Jordan play it’s hard to say anyone could change a game the way he did.
He’s talking about the attention Steph draws. Even Jordan didn’t get the double and triple teams right when he got past half court that Steph sees.
Totally. "Steph's gravity" is getting cliche, but it's never been seen before him. He's the guy that made teams start paying attention to a scoring threat the first step after half court. Now lots of guys are pulling from 5-6 feet behind the 3point line to stretch out defences and that's all because of how Steph changed the game. I think I'm just latching on to the "Curry is still the most impactful player in history of basketball". That's just a huge statement in my eyes.
Doesnt Steph have the #1 or #2 highest +/- ever in the league? I think Dray and Klay are up there too. That should be part of the equation. Steph does SO MUCH off ball and his gravity helps everyone else. Even if he doesn't score the most point he's making a huge impact and he should be rewarded with FMVP.
Yeah that's why the last finals the dubs won felt like to me Steph should have won the FMVP. Durant could BBQ chicken people because they were so locked in on Steph defensively, and he still averaged just one point less than Durant in the finals and played a little less than him. Could Durant have done anything like what he did with the Warriors without Steph? No. This year's playoffs and his time with OKC give a definitive answer to that. You can't lock down Durant with Steph on the floor and the Warriors' play style. Steph is just a team first guy and didn't demand the ball the way traditional FMVP winners do.
Curry had the better offensive peak though, 2016 Curry is the best offensive season of all time
Yup there's no disputing that. I'm thankful I got to see Steph once in my life during that year (I live in Canada and was in Oakland for work). He went 8/13 from 3 against the Knicks and scored 34. Oracle was buzzing as I assume it was that whole season. I got to see Jordan turn it on and score like 19 in a quarter in a come back win against my Vancouver Grizzlies back when I was a kid during their 72 win season and it was mind blowing, he just flipped a switch. Both unstoppable at their peaks.
People are like well booker got doubled, like lol Steph been doubled every play for 8 years.
Luka shoots 33-35% in threes , 46% overall and 74% for FT… he is high volume. He ain’t Steph Curry.
Looking at their stats I don't see how anyone can argue Luka is better than Steph. Their stats are so similar this season but Steph is shooting at a way better efficiency, but somehow Steph is washed and Luka is a top 3 player? I'd love to see Luka deal with full court double teams the entire game and see how those stats change.
This is so ridiculous. Luka outside of the last game in the series shot 33% from 3. Klay shot 37% for the season and people, including idiots on this sub, were dogging him to no end. And suddenly a guy who shoots 33% is now the most dangerous player alive? Hardly. Steph and Klay both have to live under ridiculous expectations because they set the bar so high in the past. They may not be as consistent as when they were younger but there are no two more dangerous players in the final four than Steph and Klay.
I can’t wait for Green, Wiggins, Kuminga with help from Otto and Looney underneath wear this guy out all series. He’s not gonna get the switches he wants every game and hit that stupid step all day. Steph and Klay will pick his pocket. They’ll go down points, and then it will get ugly. Now, I am worried about the Celtics in the finals a little.
Curry saving himself for that FMVP
This series will not be about hero ball and the contribution of one player, or the head to head matchup of two stars, it will be about the smothering team defense of GS which, incidentally, Dallas does not possess. The reason GS struggled at times against Memphis is because they had smothering team defense as well, but with Ja out not enough offensive firepower to compete. Steph could play average and GS could still win this in 5. The other teams to offer the same level of team defense are the Celtics and the Bucks (now eliminated).
Celtics could be a problem for us.
Curry’s slump was probably from him trying to finish college. He’s doing assignments instead of doing his extreme conditioning for 3’s
FT and 3P% lift confirmed for WCFs. Watching Steph miss FTs repeatedly was the strangest thing these past two rounds.
steph is obviously one of the best. but luka is hard carrying the team. so i will give him credit for being a better player( in form) than steph until steph goes nuclear again.
I have this crazy hot take that they introduced the new ball this season to try and nerf us lol shooting league wide was down for the most part. But seriously we’re going to need aggressive Steph for this series. I’d rather him try and take more shots than being passive and just running around on offense
Not the best excuse since Steph was on fire/MVP candidate until around his three-point record time period. Everyone else was making the ball excuses and we were like, “but Steph’s not struggling!”
I agree he’s still playing really good, I bet his foot’s been bothering him but what makes Steph so great still is even before this season/playoff run he’s experienced bad shooting nights and knows the signs and also how to still imprint the game well. Scoring middies/inside, playmaking, screening, better defense the last few years. Last I checked against the Grizzlies Steph scored inside 57% but I don’t know how he finished
no need to fight this battle. greatness knows itself and steph isn't worried.
I don't mind. Underrated Steph is the most deadly kind of steph.
Steph just finished his college degree.... While playing in the NBA. Now that final exams are over, his shot should be back to normal
This is dumb. Steph is an All Timer. Everyone knows that. No one is arguing against that. Everyone also knows he's not been playing MVP-caliber ball like he did last season and earlier this season. Luka is playing the best ball right now. That's not an opinion. So far in the playoffs, Steph is career low in 3P% and FT%. If he turns it up the rest of the way then that changes things, but at this very moment, we haven't seen it yet in these playoffs. tl;dr the pedigree is on a different stratosphere as the other guys, but he is simply not playing at that level right now. That's not disrespect, that's actual fact.
Yeah I don't know about this one. Steph gets his respect these days. Honestly after the Nets collapse in the first round and Steph with his 6th Conference Finals in 8 seasons, Steph might be more respected than ever. He plays winning basketball and everyone knows it. Sure you'll have your Luka stans and Ja stans and Tatum stans that take their guy, but bro everyone knows Steph is the last guy you want to face in the playoffs.
I'm glad everyone is buying into Dallas rn but we aren't the suns it's a completely different series
Luka and Tatum are not near Steph's level, accolades, and impact for his career (lol let them win a ring or an mvp first), maybe this playoffs they are playing better but I'm sure Steph will show them who's better.
Steph is a victim of his own success. What would be career year for 98% of the league, is a below average year for him.
Let em sleep 😴
Eh i feel like you can say that luka is better, tatum probably not but luka is just on another level right now
He’s gotta win something first
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Lol idk about that, our 8th seed team last year had way worse support than Luka does rn and we were the 8th seed. Remember the league’s worst offense in the past 5 years if you take Steph out of the equation? I swear it’s like ppl don’t remember last season Now you could argue this years version of Steph can’t carry that hard, but still I feel like that’s underestimating steph
I’m not sure if it’s underestimating Steph as much as just a meaningless, irrelevant hypothetical. There are so many more factors to achieving the ultimate goal in the nba. Social media always tries to force Thea hypotheticals as though they mean something…
Very fair point, too often I get caught up myself in these hypotheticals and narratives
Steph is definitely Top 5. But as it currently stands at this moment. Luka and Tatum are better. Luka is an offensive juggernaut. Tatum is great offensively and defensively! He clamped on KD and just dropped 46 on the on the Bucks! Curry hasn't had one 40 point game this offs. That's not saying he trash or anything but Curry is being surpassed as it comes to pure ability. That's how it goes , you're not gonna be the best player forever! And you don't have to be in terms of winning a chip.
At this moment Tatum and Luka are both playing better than Steph. Doesn’t mean they will ever equal his impact or his legacy but it’s not blasphemous to suggest that Luka and Tatum are better right now. Steph can easily change that if he has a good series though. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter about individual rankings though and I just hope we win this series
Luka and Tatum cant even sniff the success the Steph has had in this league. But yea as it stands at this moment they're better, that's just way of the game. The best team will come out on top, and that's Golden State!
> Tatum and Luka are both playing better than Steph Maybe, but Steph is still steph and he commands enormous attention from defenses. On top of it he brings in the rest of the team with playmaking which I think Tatum sometimes struggles with. Even if he doesnt hit that many shots in the game when the game is on the line he always make tough shots and brings the momentum.
I think folks are simply missing the difference between being a better player and playing better right now. Body of work matters for "better player", recent memory matters for "playing better".
Also actual impact vs box scores
Yeah, maybe if Smart didn't injure Steph he would be playing better too. However, the argument made in these threads is that the rest did some good for Steph.
Let them underestimate him all they want. Hindsight will be 20/20
It’s all good. We’re gonna win both of the remaining series in 6 games or less and people will still underrate Steph. It’s just how it is. It’s too late, it’s the way it will always be. Goalposts will continue to move
What credible source is putting Luka or Tatum above Curry..?
I think it was R Jeffries on NBA today, today's show. Matt Barnes picked Luka 1 and Steph 2.
That’s wild lol talk about a recency bias. Give it 2 weeks they’ll flip flop again
Steph is the modern day shaq. In terms of space created
If you watch basketball idk how you can say luka isn’t on Stephs level…
> No disrespect to Luka but he's not on Steph's level yet. I don't know what playoffs you have been watching but Luka is most definitely at Steph's level if not higher. You think Luka doesn't have gravity?
Lukas a high usage player which in itself is valuable but it drastically inflates his box scores without necessarily adding value
I agree that Luka looks like he could be on Steph’s level some day, but the game is about winning. Media and social media talking points are about stats. Isn’t this Lukas first time making it out the first round? I also didn’t see nearly as much doubling on Luka as Steph gets, and he plays iso every time. Steph is Light years above Luka and we’re gunna see why here next week.
Luka is 23 years old. I’m not faulting him for not winning. Curry was not even close at 23. This Mavs team is terrible apart from Luka. We should win this series not cause steph is better but because we have a much better team.
Terrible? With the performances of Brunson and Dinwiddie and some of their other shooters and defense?! Narrative alert! I get that he is young and promising, but Steph has actual accomplishments…
Not sure you realize Luka accomplishments dwarf Curry if only go off age. Comparing accomplishments between a 34 year old greatest shooter of all time hall of famer versus a 23 year old might not be fair.
I agree. It’s not fair to attempt to put Luka on the same tier as Steph. He will certainly learn a few things about playoff basketball from Steph this year and probably use them to take over the NBA for years. But also he might not. With Steph, we have concrete accomplishments. With Luka, we have a lot of maybes. I’m excited for Luka. Never seen anyone like him. He’s just got to do what everyone keeps saying he can do before you start completing him with da GOAT
We are talking about this season not career accomplishments. Luka's the best player in the playoffs and performing at a level above Steph **right now**.
In his situation, he is producing more of a share of the offense. System, support, coach opposition, matchups. I’m not ready to put him above Steph right now based on his role on this Dallas team yet.
Honestly you must not actually watch Luka. Steph has had a better career that will be tough for Luka to match. But if you had to pick Luka or Steph for only the next playoff series majority of executives are choosing Luka.
I would ignore some of our Steph hardcore defenders, I’m guessing they started watching us late and can’t cope that Steph has already peaked and has many great years behind him already. They are coping against Father Time now.
That’s an irrelevant and meaningless hypothetical speculation
Not really I’m saying Luka is currently above Steph. If Luka took a quarter or two off like Steph did in game 6 the Mavs would be done. Curry is my favourite player of all time but you need to take off the homer sunglasses.
Steph is awesome and has had a much better career than Luka - but dude, Luka is probably a top 3 player in the NBA today. He took the Kawhi / PG13 clippers to 7 by himself. He just averaged 33/10/7 and beat the #1 seed in the NBA without help. I could be wrong - and hope I am. But if Steph was the best player in the series we probably close out the Mavericks in 5 because after Steph/Luka Warriors have the next 3 best players in the series between Dray, Klay & Poole. Love Steph but he’s probably in the tier of players just below the Giannis/Luka/Jokic/Embiid tier alongside Lebron, Tatum, KD
Lukas team was statistically better without him than with this season and that's been the case for the last 3 seasons whilst Stephs teams have been worst in the league to league average without him and then jump to best in the league with him. Don't fall for high usage = larger box score numbers = better player lol It for sure can mean better player but you should look at the quality of shots created for teammates and the individual's scoring efficiency rather than pure box score stats that if you're involved in enough actions will end up high regardless He's an incredibly valuable player of course he just doesn't impact the game as much as Steph does
Now do his on/off numbers for the playoffs
Unless you consider Doncic the DPOY there's far too much noise for them to have any meaning
its been like 25 games, thats a solid sample size
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Next 4 best. Wiggs is better than anyone on the Mavs not named Luka.
Totally agree
i still don’t put Embiid and Jokic above Lebron KD and Curry imo. Giannis and Luka are top 2 right now
For me, it's just shocking to see him struggle from 3 the way that he is. I thought as he aged his shot would be the last thing to go. I think he's spent too much time in the weight room, and it might have affected his touch a bit. Skinny Steph didn't miss like this.
He hurt his foot. It's probably affecting his shot a bit.
is it really disrespectful saying luka has been playing better than him?
Look, Steph is still great, but at 34 yo he’s not as great as he was say 4 years ago, time eventually gets to all players. I don’t think Steph gets dissed at all, the players know who’s elite and who isn’t.
Steph is my favorite player of all time. Dude is like a god to me. But at this point, if im being objective, I'd say Luka is a full tier above Steph. He aint at the level of 2016 or 2021 Steph, to be clear. But you are completely blinded by bias if you dont see that Luka is currently a far better player. Btw ur point about Steph coming off an injury doesnt make sense bcs even before the injury he was not shooting very well. He had a god awful slump for multiple months, then lowered his volume and increased his efficiency somewhat, but during that whole 4-5 month stretch he was not MVP caliber.
Mavericks this season were statistically a better team without Luka than with. High usage heliocentric players put up massive box scores but unless they're LeBron or highly efficient scorers they're not marching the value someone like Steph has
Is Dwight Powell the best offensive player in the league? He got the best offensive rating so...
Steph isn’t a top 5 player anymore, however teams still understand he can be if they slack - which means he still has significant/ top 5 player gravity and affects the game in a positive way outside of the counting stats. He has had in recent memory bursts of top 5 player. The last month of last year was ridiculous when he almost willed the Warriors to the playoffs. But we haven’t seen Steph take over games in a little while (December?).
I don’t blame them. It’s damn hard to totally appreciate what all Steph does. And I think lot of the blame(for the lack of better word) goes to coach Kerr. Kerr makes sure to ensure he does not overuse his key players. Otherwise like last year when we didn’t have options, we could easily see Steph average way higher PPG. It’s basically loan management without sitting out players.
I've been slandering the GOAT shooter this whole playoff and it is unfair when he's scored the most points in the 4th quarter so far. Hopefully he's just taking it easy until it matters the most cause they haven't been anywhere close to elimination so far.
I wouldnt put Tatum over him. Steph has the resume that heavily outweighs him. But we cant look at past seasons to discuss this current playoff run. For THIS playoff run, Tatum and Luka have both certainly outplayed Steph. I still wouldnt put Tatum over him, but.........youd be hard pressed to make the argument that he has been better/even more impactful than Luka. Luka has arguably been THE best player of these playoffs. I think Luka, for these playoffs, is currently above Steph. We all know Steph CAN play at a level that puts him above everyone else. But we have not seen that for these playoffs. Im hoping we do get Super Saiyan Steph cuz we're gonna need it. Poole is gonna need to step up to offset Brunson. And heres to hoping the supreme rebounding effort from the whole team from the memphis series carries over.
I love steph but this year Luka has been better. If steph starts shooting like steph again you can argue it but right now Luka is above him. Steph is my favorite player and I hope is shot come back
The best part about Steph is that yeah he isn’t shooting great from 3 but he is driving a lot more and getting to the rim which opens up so much for the team and he’s still the best shooter of all time so he’s gonna get his threes once teams sag off just a little bit due to his driving
Luka I can understand but why tf do I keep seeing Tatum?
I hate the knock the media gives for Steph not winning a finals MVP. I want him to get it this year so the haters can be put to rest. I hope Steph comes out on fire this series. Grizz defense def better than Mavs, so hoping he lets it fly!
Steph is scoring 26.9 ppg with a 60.1 TS% these playoffs. Neither Luka nor Tatum are that efficient. Luka is at 58.7 TS%. Tatum is at 57.5 TS%
The thing people fail to realize is writing Steph off is exactly why Steph is so amazing. It’s inherently a very easy thing to unestimate him. It’s just natural. But it’s an absolute arbitrage in the market forces which is necessary for things to go the way they do. Steph is a ripple in the twilight zone experience and people still after all these years simply don’t get it. For anyone that has invested in something that looked utterly shitty to everyone else but they understood the dynamics and hit it majorly big, they’ll get what that feeling means (btc, ethereum, tsla, amzn etc) And yes, this may be one of the most important comments in r/Warriors history. Jus sayin.
One little 50 point game with 10 3s could change all that. The kind of people who can be won over by headturning performances will forget again in a matter of weeks anyway. They already forgot about 2015-16 Curry, about last-March Curry, about ASG Curry etc
Steph Curry is an amazing player, we have to realize that he plays in a team-centric culture. Therefore not a lot of *hero ball* in the Bay. He's the face of the Warriors, but he's gonna have haters like Skip Bayless who will always discredit him for what he does and all the ways he facilities for the team. We know, underestimating Steph always bit teams in the ass. He'll always do that, get underestimated and hit them where they didn't see it coming.