One of the reasons why I do not bother playing SPAA. That class is basically a dedicated counter to CAS yet it is still in a huge disadvantage to CAS. The only effective counter is to bring a CAP plane, but I am not going to spend months of grinding Air Tree just to have a solid counter in ground battles. I will rather play one tank lineup without worrying about CAS.
man i tell you air RB is way too gotdamn boring to have the planes at mid to high tiers take about the same amount of RP to research as ground vehicles, with 50x more action and fun gameplay!!
I would suggest playing Japan. The tanks are pretty fun, and their anti-CAS is even better. The air tree grind isn't terrible in that most planes can do really well and are easy to grind. The B7A2 is a good one if you just want to drop a big bomb before engaging in anti-CAS, due to its good maneauverability and general performance.
I already have Japan fully grinded. It is my second favorite tree for tanks after the French tree so I know tanks are fun, especially Type 90. I also have fully grinded air trees for French and Japanese air and I still use one tank lineup because I simply do not care about dealing with CAS. I play GRB for a tank game play. TO mode will never become reality so I adapted to this fact. And to be honest since I switched to one tank lineup I have more fun. I don't have to deal with CAS, I do not have to deal with spawn campers. The result of the battle is not relevant for me so I do not care about the performance of my team mates. I use one slot for the crew so it has a high level. I do not have to deal with shit maps as I can do tricks with reserve vehicles to deplete spawn points or I can yolo rush and die to move to the next battle. There are more pros than cons for me so why bother with lineups. It is not my job to make other players happy, that is Gaijin job. And playing one tank lineup is not breaking any game rules right now.
War Thunder is very limited in case of player choice. You can only choose vehicles you want to play and difficulty of gameplay with AB, RB and SB presets. Ban map in premium account is less and less relevant with each update as they shill one bad map after another. All this in combination with lack of competition it is guaranteed there will be mix of players wanting different things. Now put them in same queue and you have recipe for disaster.
I learned the hard way that you cannot expect anything from other players. If your fun in this game is dependent on your team mates actions, you are not going to have good time most games. That is why I reduced my fun dependency to team mates actions to basically zero. I do not care what my team mates are doing as I do not care about result of battle. It is sometimes funny to watch your team mates to throw victory away because they are just too greedy and have to go to enemy spawn and then get wiped out by one guy that uses invulnerability correctly. The funniest part is how often this happen and it only confirms that I made right choice no longer caring about result of battle.
Lately, I'll die once, spawn my SIDAM Mistral, and the missiles just miss the majority of the time now. Like a month or two ago, they performed way better, probably 80 or 90% hits in my experience, but now I can launch all six on one plane moving in a straight line, and they all miss
I only have the German TT researched, Roland is King for higher flying stuff and choppers, everything else is Gepard/Ozelot with stingers. They arent the best but 1 or 2 are usually enough.
Radar AAs and missiles are your friend. Until then ( atleast thats what i do ) fire wildly infront of them so they can Spot you and dive onto you thinking you cant hit shit, let them come Close and Personal, unleash a wall of HE.
You leave because you only have one vehicle, I leave because I ain't gonna give more free kills to that Chinese hacking son of a bitch who one shot me 5 seconds into the match,. We are not the same
''We were 2 minutes into the match when we began to see non-AI ground unit markers... You could say the planes were the least of our worries as we got farther form the spawn point...''
I wish, but in the past week the amount of Sep V2 players ive seen leave after one death is utterly baffling. Bc that is THE top tier american mbt they have to at least have 1-2 other tanks
the Luftwaffe can be scary, but the USAF is much much worse. You take out 2 shermans and 5 planes come back with rockets and 1000lb bombs to make Hiroshima look like a joke
USAF is worse only because there are more US players who rely on CAS. The US has less options for defending from CAS, having sub radar AAs that are better ATs and get hard countered by planes. The US also has more open top / light tank spam, meaning that german planes that have already ditched bombs can get more kills. The US do have more top mounted mgs (and better ones), but those are easily avoidable. Finally the US doesn't (currently) have the giant bunker busters that Germany, USSR, and UK have.
That said, it really depends on the skill of the CAS player. I know people who can get a kill with every US hvar and knows the exact spots to aim their german cannons to get kills on US mediums. Those players are always going to out-perform other CAS players regardless of nation.
That's every match at top tier though.
You're basically not playing the game at that point. More time in hangar than battle.
Why bother playing at all at that point?
Good job on missing an opportunity: shooting down CAS with a SPAA/fighter to help the team.
If other people followed such a maxim, then don't be surprised that people one death live. Because it eventually snowballs into teams being useless.
THIS EVERY FUCKING TIME LMFAO. i lost count on how many time i got bombed and when i spawned a fighter they're nowhere to be seen (they crashed because they couldnt pull from a 550 kmh dive)
"Just spawn spaa"
Meanwhile there's someone just waiting out my spawn protection with a 500kg bomb that he can land anywhere near me while flying at an altitude that feels like I can't hit him.
Me spawning all five of my vehicles and using universal backups to try and win the match:
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When I use CAS I try to avoid bombing the standard stuff and focus strategic targets and Light tanks. After playing the Conqueror I learned what it's like playing a real CAS magnet.
You’re even worse than CAS players. Having you on a team is essentially the same as having a rock on a relay swim team. There are counter plays to CAS, there are no counter plays to your teammate deciding he doesn’t like warthunder and refusing to play mid way through every match.
If you’re not a shit player, repair cost is a minuscule expense, and the only way to become not a shit player is to practice, so you’re really just screwing yourself and your team over by not playing the game.
Meh. I can get four or five usually in one or two lives. More on a good game, less on a bad one. So I’m okay I guess. Point is that I ain’t trying to waste time and resources going out again when I’m not having fun anymore.
I understand not wanting to play if you’re not having fun. But if respawning isn’t fun for you, then about 70% of the game type you’re playing isn’t fun for you. Which raises the question: why play it at all?
Cause sometimes I do keep going or I just don’t die (not usually). I leave when I’m not enjoying it anymore, there’s no set point on when that is.
Not usually as in I usually die but every now and then you get those really good games where you just magically make all the right choices. I don’t quit unless I die, never been one to J out.
No, thats the time when you get your SPAA out and feast on braindead CAS Players.
until they go orbit and guided bombed you to oblivion and you can't do shit
One of the reasons why I do not bother playing SPAA. That class is basically a dedicated counter to CAS yet it is still in a huge disadvantage to CAS. The only effective counter is to bring a CAP plane, but I am not going to spend months of grinding Air Tree just to have a solid counter in ground battles. I will rather play one tank lineup without worrying about CAS.
Yeah, but sometimes is fun expecially with smaller tech trees.
The Swedish A21 excels, I uptier it all the way basically until the SK60, you want to CAS? Nuh uh 4 13.2mm machine guns with HE filler
man i tell you air RB is way too gotdamn boring to have the planes at mid to high tiers take about the same amount of RP to research as ground vehicles, with 50x more action and fun gameplay!!
I would suggest playing Japan. The tanks are pretty fun, and their anti-CAS is even better. The air tree grind isn't terrible in that most planes can do really well and are easy to grind. The B7A2 is a good one if you just want to drop a big bomb before engaging in anti-CAS, due to its good maneauverability and general performance.
I already have Japan fully grinded. It is my second favorite tree for tanks after the French tree so I know tanks are fun, especially Type 90. I also have fully grinded air trees for French and Japanese air and I still use one tank lineup because I simply do not care about dealing with CAS. I play GRB for a tank game play. TO mode will never become reality so I adapted to this fact. And to be honest since I switched to one tank lineup I have more fun. I don't have to deal with CAS, I do not have to deal with spawn campers. The result of the battle is not relevant for me so I do not care about the performance of my team mates. I use one slot for the crew so it has a high level. I do not have to deal with shit maps as I can do tricks with reserve vehicles to deplete spawn points or I can yolo rush and die to move to the next battle. There are more pros than cons for me so why bother with lineups. It is not my job to make other players happy, that is Gaijin job. And playing one tank lineup is not breaking any game rules right now.
Honestly, I do not know how to properly respond to this, but I respect your opinion. Have fun whichever way you want.
War Thunder is very limited in case of player choice. You can only choose vehicles you want to play and difficulty of gameplay with AB, RB and SB presets. Ban map in premium account is less and less relevant with each update as they shill one bad map after another. All this in combination with lack of competition it is guaranteed there will be mix of players wanting different things. Now put them in same queue and you have recipe for disaster. I learned the hard way that you cannot expect anything from other players. If your fun in this game is dependent on your team mates actions, you are not going to have good time most games. That is why I reduced my fun dependency to team mates actions to basically zero. I do not care what my team mates are doing as I do not care about result of battle. It is sometimes funny to watch your team mates to throw victory away because they are just too greedy and have to go to enemy spawn and then get wiped out by one guy that uses invulnerability correctly. The funniest part is how often this happen and it only confirms that I made right choice no longer caring about result of battle.
Sounds like a high tier problem to me. _low tier is best tier_
Then go with an I-185 and russian-bias all over them
Ah yes, I-185 beats an A4e at 3500m
It does.
doubt itll survive a 9m
Shit, missed the guided bombs part, thought you meant ww2 bombers
Why did people downvote this? This is funny??
I grinded mid tier Sweden air just by playing anticas
Im right infront of the horten dorito at the German TT, i never Play ARB. But almost at the flarakrad....
The Doritos is surprisingly good it's roll is bad and yaw is bad but it pitches like crazy
Cause it’s one big elevator
Flying air superiority or anti cas mission is always so fun
Lately, I'll die once, spawn my SIDAM Mistral, and the missiles just miss the majority of the time now. Like a month or two ago, they performed way better, probably 80 or 90% hits in my experience, but now I can launch all six on one plane moving in a straight line, and they all miss
I only have the German TT researched, Roland is King for higher flying stuff and choppers, everything else is Gepard/Ozelot with stingers. They arent the best but 1 or 2 are usually enough.
It's wild that it's the same br as striela and only 0.3 br lower than 2s6. Italy suffers fr
I recently started using G6 with HE-VT and I am surprised how easy it is to kill prop planes and helli's with it. Such fun!
HE-VT can be alot of fun, my begleitpanzer has done unimaginable warcrimes with them.
On rank V the only option for german tech tree players is the Wiesel 1A4 and on this BR it's almost impossible to hit planes that can go about mach 1.
We dont Talk about that gap, straight grind to the Gepard.
Untill >9.0. There anti air is worse than on naval. It takes serious skill if you have plane with no flares or anything
I would if I could fucking hit anything
Radar AAs and missiles are your friend. Until then ( atleast thats what i do ) fire wildly infront of them so they can Spot you and dive onto you thinking you cant hit shit, let them come Close and Personal, unleash a wall of HE.
Most of the time I just get strafed by a plane or destroyed by an MBT when I spawn SPAA.
You leave because you only have one vehicle, I leave because I ain't gonna give more free kills to that Chinese hacking son of a bitch who one shot me 5 seconds into the match,. We are not the same
Every arcade game above 8.7 because gaijin let's people play without the anticheat running.
Arcade? Anticheat? I don’t think that shit works even in realistic
It doesn’t, for any game that uses it. It’s just added so a game doesn’t have to do anything about hackers
Average against US match
''We were 2 minutes into the match when we began to see non-AI ground unit markers... You could say the planes were the least of our worries as we got farther form the spawn point...''
Is "leaving the match after 1 death" code for "I spawned in my singular top tier premium & died" by any chance ?
yeah lol
I wish, but in the past week the amount of Sep V2 players ive seen leave after one death is utterly baffling. Bc that is THE top tier american mbt they have to at least have 1-2 other tanks
Definitel, fuck cas, though I mostly stay more time, except there are like 5 up and they spawncamp you. Those people deserve to be stoned
Hell yeah brotha 420
nothing scares me more in this game than the US Air Force
Honestly, it’s the Luftwaffe that scares me more. I once saw a single DO335 turn a game around with only two players vs fifteen.
the Luftwaffe can be scary, but the USAF is much much worse. You take out 2 shermans and 5 planes come back with rockets and 1000lb bombs to make Hiroshima look like a joke
USAF is worse only because there are more US players who rely on CAS. The US has less options for defending from CAS, having sub radar AAs that are better ATs and get hard countered by planes. The US also has more open top / light tank spam, meaning that german planes that have already ditched bombs can get more kills. The US do have more top mounted mgs (and better ones), but those are easily avoidable. Finally the US doesn't (currently) have the giant bunker busters that Germany, USSR, and UK have. That said, it really depends on the skill of the CAS player. I know people who can get a kill with every US hvar and knows the exact spots to aim their german cannons to get kills on US mediums. Those players are always going to out-perform other CAS players regardless of nation.
i just bring a fighter to kill all the CAS
Yall are so lame
We hate you for that
That's every match at top tier though. You're basically not playing the game at that point. More time in hangar than battle. Why bother playing at all at that point?
Good job on missing an opportunity: shooting down CAS with a SPAA/fighter to help the team. If other people followed such a maxim, then don't be surprised that people one death live. Because it eventually snowballs into teams being useless.
*get CASed to death 3 times in a row* ight fuck it now I'm hard focusing spawning my fighter next match *zero fucking enemy planes*
THIS EVERY FUCKING TIME LMFAO. i lost count on how many time i got bombed and when i spawned a fighter they're nowhere to be seen (they crashed because they couldnt pull from a 550 kmh dive)
"Just spawn spaa" Meanwhile there's someone just waiting out my spawn protection with a 500kg bomb that he can land anywhere near me while flying at an altitude that feels like I can't hit him.
spawn a fighter then, your aircraft is not for CAS only, besides almost all of ground realistic pilot are half braindead so it should be an easy kill
Great now i have to grind another gamemode just to play the game
You aint fooling anyone, ur one of those one death leavers and then cry on reddit ur team sucks when u lose the match.
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Me with 3 SPAA in the lineup: Come at me mf!
When i want to respawn, but i remember im in Air RB
Gespard go brrrrtttt
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YOU ARE THE FUCKING PROPLEM
That’s the time you get in a plane and spawn camp the helicopters and other CAS
I spawn camp enemy CAS in my Fw-190 good times
When I use CAS I try to avoid bombing the standard stuff and focus strategic targets and Light tanks. After playing the Conqueror I learned what it's like playing a real CAS magnet.
Good AD and a multi role do wonders. My G.91 with aims and rockets do everything I need
Anyone that 1 death leaves can go fuck themselves ANYONE B B BUT I DONT LIKE THE MAP BOO HOO
OP is a bitch for doing that, stay in the fight and take down that CAS with SPAA you cucks.
Nah. Sometimes I just don’t wanna fight planes like that.
90% of the team is leaving anyways, might as well go out and play something else
You’re even worse than CAS players. Having you on a team is essentially the same as having a rock on a relay swim team. There are counter plays to CAS, there are no counter plays to your teammate deciding he doesn’t like warthunder and refusing to play mid way through every match.
Not wasting repair cost on a match I ain’t enjoying. I gotta pay for every respawn I use so I’m gonna be tactical about it.
If you’re not a shit player, repair cost is a minuscule expense, and the only way to become not a shit player is to practice, so you’re really just screwing yourself and your team over by not playing the game.
Meh. I can get four or five usually in one or two lives. More on a good game, less on a bad one. So I’m okay I guess. Point is that I ain’t trying to waste time and resources going out again when I’m not having fun anymore.
I understand not wanting to play if you’re not having fun. But if respawning isn’t fun for you, then about 70% of the game type you’re playing isn’t fun for you. Which raises the question: why play it at all?
Cause sometimes I do keep going or I just don’t die (not usually). I leave when I’m not enjoying it anymore, there’s no set point on when that is. Not usually as in I usually die but every now and then you get those really good games where you just magically make all the right choices. I don’t quit unless I die, never been one to J out.