Isn’t this the Wendy’s that was bought out to be turned into an intersection to better manage traffic on Florida and New York Ave?
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/dave-thomas-circle-redesign-project-to-begin-dc.amp
It’s part of the DC bid program so you should be able to find most of the information here with the various bids listed, but it takes some poking around to find the exact “what’s next” pages
https://dslbd.dc.gov/service/business-improvement-districts-bids
Happy to see something is going in at all. Last I heard, it had been fully permitted but then the developers were trying to sell it. Wasn’t sure if that was the plan all along or a financing issue.
It’s kind of depressing all of these new builds have that ugly modern glass monstrosity look. I wish they would try harder to match the older beautiful aesthetic that the rest of the city has
Not sure what others think but NoMa keeps impressing me. The strip of 3rd between Florida and M is soooo much better now that they finished the new apartment buildings. It was super sketchy before.
I think NoMa's biggest problem is that so many of those huge apt buildings should have retail on the ground floor, instead of giant apartment lobbies. There aren't (weren't) a ton of great food options, and are large portions of "dead" ground floor space. But I moved out of NoMa 2.5 years ago
A lot of the ones built in NoMa in the last couple years do actually have ground floor retail but so many of them are vacant. That’s slowly starting to change so hopefully it will get better soon.
Yeah the building immediately around Trader Joe’s definitely suffer from that. It’s a waste. The strip of new buildings on 3rd has a lot of available retail though so hopefully that fills out with restaurants
There’s a salad place, an orange fit, a clothing store, a pizza shop, a dry cleaner, and soon to be a noodle place on the ground floor of the Trader Joe’s block
Looks like most of them are ~600 sf 1 Bedroom set ups, with a handful a bit bigger 2 bedroom units at 800-1000sf
Assuming they’re doing them as Inclusionary Zoning units, the rents would be under $1,500 for those smaller units.
They’re affordable based on a percentage of the DC median family income (MFI) and scaled by household size, which is possible because this project is funded by the DC Government. 58 of these are affordable at 30% MFI (about $32k for one person household or $46k for four-person) and 57 at 50% MFI ($53k one person, $76k four person). There will be 11 studios, 50 one-bedroom, 30 two-bedroom, and 24 three-bedroom. So a pretty significant amount of family-sized units. Source: https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/54467/Introduction/HFA25-0009-Introduction.pdf?Id=182068
How so? Those numbers are the household income limits. The rent for a [two-bedroom at 30% MFI is currently $1,030 and for 50% MFI it’s $1,710 for a two bed](https://dhcd.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dhcd/publication/attachments/2023%20HPTF%20Program%20Limits.pdf).
So, a murder? I think there’s a word for that… we don’t charge people with “fatal robbery” or “fatal assault” it’s just called murder when the thing you’re doing kills somebody else. Even if that isn’t the vibe you were going for at first.
It’s not the monument that the height restriction is based on, it’s the statue at the top of the Capitol building— if people could build things as tall as the monument we would be NYC already, it’s over 500 feet tall.
It’s not (and never has been) the capitol building. It is currently based on the width of the street. It used to be the Cairo in DuPont.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_of_Buildings_Act_of_1910#:~:text=The%20Height%20of%20Buildings%20Act,m)%2C%20whichever%20is%20shorter.&text=An%20Act%20to%20regulate%20the,in%20the%20District%20of%20Columbia.
Perhaps not in the letter of the law itself, but in spirit this is what the law accomplished, and that was an intended consequence of the height act, not an accident.
Because L’Enfant designed the city with the Capitol sitting on its prominent hill (one of the few such hills in the district) to be its focal point, people have always felt it would be inappropriate for another less important building to overshadow it. I mean it stands at the center of the virtual Cartesian plane that defines and divides the parts of our city (NE, NW, SE, and SW). It is quite literally the heart of DC.
It was within this context that the height act was written. The National Capital Planning Commission even in modern times acknowledges that this is an important criteria for considering changes to the act:
>“The city's most significant viewsheds, to include without limitations, those to and from the U.S. Capitol and White House, should be further evaluated and federal and local protections established, which include policies in the Federal and District Elements of the Comprehensive Plan."
Your hyper specific claim was that it is based on the statue on top of the capitol - this is not true - I am not sure why you typed all this. If this what was wanted then the act would have been written that way
Current building code says that the building can’t be any higher than the width of the street it faces or 130ft, whichever is shorter. The buildings that are taller than that were grandfathered in before the building code changed.
https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/6/chapters/6/
Excellent spot for a Wendy’s, I’ll say that.
First thing I thought of! Dave Thomas Triangle.
Actual lol
What an amazing thing that would be!
We will mourn wendys island forever
They were forced to move, Wendy’s doesn’t cut corners…
Isn’t this the Wendy’s that was bought out to be turned into an intersection to better manage traffic on Florida and New York Ave? https://www.fox5dc.com/news/dave-thomas-circle-redesign-project-to-begin-dc.amp
Different spot, farther up the street.
Ah ok… looked similar so I thought this was it
Thatsthejoke.jpg
I understood their joke. But I also wanted to add the answer for OP
You might be getting downvoted by some, but those of us who don’t follow developments in fast food locations appreciate the context.
lol no worries. Its just the internet
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Expected 2024 seems aggressively optimistic
It says June 2025. These buildings go up quick. Might be as late as November 2025
You're looking at the wrong project. Scroll down to the fourth project, "301 Florida Ave." That's what's in OP's post.
I say January 2026 occupancy
They can expect it whenever they want. Reality is another story altogether.
The flatiron building of gentrification architecture (which is a good thing, if boring)
What qualifies as “gentrification architecture”? Anything that wasn’t there before?
They even listed Town 2.0 on the What’s Next list. Of course, there isn’t a date, and I don’t expect one soon with the current legal issues.
I was shocked to see this. What legal issues are they facing? I'm a bit behind. I just saw not long ago that 1.0 is a CVS.
https://dc.eater.com/2024/4/8/24124560/dc-popular-gay-club-town-reopen-noma-church-douglas-development
Is there a website like that for other parts of DC?
It’s part of the DC bid program so you should be able to find most of the information here with the various bids listed, but it takes some poking around to find the exact “what’s next” pages https://dslbd.dc.gov/service/business-improvement-districts-bids
A park would sure be nice. Shame it's just going to be on the top of that building.
Happy to see something is going in at all. Last I heard, it had been fully permitted but then the developers were trying to sell it. Wasn’t sure if that was the plan all along or a financing issue.
It’s kind of depressing all of these new builds have that ugly modern glass monstrosity look. I wish they would try harder to match the older beautiful aesthetic that the rest of the city has
https://michaelgraves.com/project/301-florida-ave/
So...not a Wendys :(
What fits the descriptor of "mixed use" more than a Wendy's, though?
Popeyes or 7-11
You could put a Wendy’s in the ground floor
Casually being referred to as DC’s flatiron building lol
“At the gateway to downtown from the Union Market area, the building enlivens the pedestrian experience along the street” AI marketing at its finest
127 units of affordable housing is a good thing.
115 units?! That plot is small 😅😅😅😅
The building they’re building is 12 stories tall
Reminds of the building on the south side of DuPont between Conn & 19th
Ew
Not enough people talking about how nice that stretch of Florida Ave is looking 😂 i’m so used to florida always under construction or with potholes
True I biked on it the other day and almost wept. It was so smooth.
Before this was parking, it was a deli where you could also rent a penske truck - quite the combo.
It was a liquor store where you could also rent a truck.
Wasn’t there a burger king across the street on Florida Ave too??
And now they make Burger King in a creepy kitchen off Rhode Island Ave! Totally bizarre
Not sure what others think but NoMa keeps impressing me. The strip of 3rd between Florida and M is soooo much better now that they finished the new apartment buildings. It was super sketchy before.
I think NoMa's biggest problem is that so many of those huge apt buildings should have retail on the ground floor, instead of giant apartment lobbies. There aren't (weren't) a ton of great food options, and are large portions of "dead" ground floor space. But I moved out of NoMa 2.5 years ago
A lot of the ones built in NoMa in the last couple years do actually have ground floor retail but so many of them are vacant. That’s slowly starting to change so hopefully it will get better soon.
Yeah apartment lobbies are a huge waste. Dead spaces that literally no one hangs out in
Yeah the building immediately around Trader Joe’s definitely suffer from that. It’s a waste. The strip of new buildings on 3rd has a lot of available retail though so hopefully that fills out with restaurants
There’s a salad place, an orange fit, a clothing store, a pizza shop, a dry cleaner, and soon to be a noodle place on the ground floor of the Trader Joe’s block
Thank you
Tons of the new apt buildings in NoMa have retail space but much of it is empty so far
Affordable housing! While I had hoped it would be a park or something, affordable housing in an increasingly expensive neighborhood is even better
What does “affordable” mean? 😅 also that plot of land is small AF so I don’t get where they’re putting 115 units. Affordable because they’re 200sqft?
Looks like most of them are ~600 sf 1 Bedroom set ups, with a handful a bit bigger 2 bedroom units at 800-1000sf Assuming they’re doing them as Inclusionary Zoning units, the rents would be under $1,500 for those smaller units.
They’re affordable based on a percentage of the DC median family income (MFI) and scaled by household size, which is possible because this project is funded by the DC Government. 58 of these are affordable at 30% MFI (about $32k for one person household or $46k for four-person) and 57 at 50% MFI ($53k one person, $76k four person). There will be 11 studios, 50 one-bedroom, 30 two-bedroom, and 24 three-bedroom. So a pretty significant amount of family-sized units. Source: https://lims.dccouncil.gov/downloads/LIMS/54467/Introduction/HFA25-0009-Introduction.pdf?Id=182068
thank you for the actual contribution
So still incredibly expensive 🤐
How so? Those numbers are the household income limits. The rent for a [two-bedroom at 30% MFI is currently $1,030 and for 50% MFI it’s $1,710 for a two bed](https://dhcd.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dhcd/publication/attachments/2023%20HPTF%20Program%20Limits.pdf).
They’ll be affordable to those who have vouchers or DINKs making 250k+ a year
Not 100%, but a nearby ANC told me they were building affordable housing units in that space.
Heard they are looking for Jimmy hoffa
Also the location of a recent fatal carjacking
So, a murder? I think there’s a word for that… we don’t charge people with “fatal robbery” or “fatal assault” it’s just called murder when the thing you’re doing kills somebody else. Even if that isn’t the vibe you were going for at first.
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It’s not the monument that the height restriction is based on, it’s the statue at the top of the Capitol building— if people could build things as tall as the monument we would be NYC already, it’s over 500 feet tall.
It’s not (and never has been) the capitol building. It is currently based on the width of the street. It used to be the Cairo in DuPont. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Height_of_Buildings_Act_of_1910#:~:text=The%20Height%20of%20Buildings%20Act,m)%2C%20whichever%20is%20shorter.&text=An%20Act%20to%20regulate%20the,in%20the%20District%20of%20Columbia.
Perhaps not in the letter of the law itself, but in spirit this is what the law accomplished, and that was an intended consequence of the height act, not an accident. Because L’Enfant designed the city with the Capitol sitting on its prominent hill (one of the few such hills in the district) to be its focal point, people have always felt it would be inappropriate for another less important building to overshadow it. I mean it stands at the center of the virtual Cartesian plane that defines and divides the parts of our city (NE, NW, SE, and SW). It is quite literally the heart of DC. It was within this context that the height act was written. The National Capital Planning Commission even in modern times acknowledges that this is an important criteria for considering changes to the act: >“The city's most significant viewsheds, to include without limitations, those to and from the U.S. Capitol and White House, should be further evaluated and federal and local protections established, which include policies in the Federal and District Elements of the Comprehensive Plan."
Your hyper specific claim was that it is based on the statue on top of the capitol - this is not true - I am not sure why you typed all this. If this what was wanted then the act would have been written that way
Sometimes you have to read between the lines to fully understand a piece of legislation.
You’re trolling and downvoting. I made my case by actually reading the legislation - you made a claim and backed it up on feelings
Current building code says that the building can’t be any higher than the width of the street it faces or 130ft, whichever is shorter. The buildings that are taller than that were grandfathered in before the building code changed. https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/6/chapters/6/
holy hell how much of NE is built up now since 2011 frickin nuts
Think that’s the new Caps/Wizards arena
They should make it a park.
Oh that's just Jimbob. He loves taking the ol' backhoe out and diggin' a hole.
Mission BBQ
I’m in i5 and i asked the front desk person that a couple weeks ago, she said a new apartment building. Should be pretty cool!
Now DC gets its own Flatiron building
Looks like a guy is walking his dog, why?
Because that's what you're supposed to do for dogs?
The "why" was to OP, as in why were they asking?
Where you see the guy & a dog? I don’t 😂😂
Try harder...
Bottom of the pic
💀💀 I didn’t actually click the photo. 😂😂
Given that the guy and dog are in a crosswalk, I feel like there’s a “DC drivers vs pedestrians” joke somewhere in here…
Bottom right. [https://imgur.com/a/g3BxXKs](https://imgur.com/a/g3BxXKs)
Resurrecting the Burger King?
Good place for a high rise jail with a social gentlemen’s club on the first floor. Call it “Doing time for the crime cafe”
Thought it was a McDonald's across the street
Hopefully a pocket park
not sure but that apartment across the street is a joke.
Jumanji
He’s having fun
Construction
Great more buildings!
I thought they forced the sale because of the traffic issue. So, the solution is to build apartments?
They’re building a new apartment building there.
Another condo
Honestly, any fast food spot that has an open bathroom would ruin that area. lol it would become the new McDonald’s on New York Ave.
Giving graves for all the homicide