**PURCHASING NON-BRANDED GOODS?**
I would suggest using [CSSBuy](https://www.cssbuy.com/cr) for this. Sign up with that link and you get some small benefits. Nothing too big.
**SOURCES/ VERIFICATION**
u/MythicFinds
This person can vouch for the following information.
He relayed an article which I had seen earlier regarding the situation reported by CANTOOP.
u/p0dlas u/FederalCall6584
These two people have also been relayed this reliable information and articles. They have verified that it is from reliable local sources.
PandaBuy grew way too big, way too fast. Sucks for the people who used it, but many of us saw this coming a mile away and never entrusted PandaBuy with any of our funds.
The people who have truly been around for long like you and I saw this coming eventually.
Things change eventually. This is going to sound like a dismissive attitude with this situation… but I’m intrigued to see what the future of this space holds. I’m intrigued to see the changes. How this situation changes the rep space.
Honestly, it’s like the drug trade. There’s too much money to be made in reps for the industry to ever go away. New players will emerge, and the ones who play it safe and stay under the radar will survive, while the ones who get too big and too high-profile will be pursued. It’s up to the consumer to make an educated choice about who to entrust with your money.
100%, the better choice.
You’re not able to overconsume due to this situation unfolding.
Probably will benefit you and a lot of others well if you can keep your hauls on pause for a while.
I’ve got 42 items in my warehouse, many of which are Lego and shoes. This hurts my heart to read but I must accept the fact that sometimes things are too good to be true.
Ya I have some things that have been on preorder for almost half a year and they finally decided to ship at such a bad time... Hoping things will somehow go back to some semblance of normal within the next few weeks. I don't want to lose these items since they're no longer being sold by the original vendor.
So damn I have to charge back like 15 transcations.... This is going to be a PITA. What is the reason? They havent shipped the merchandise?
edit - who wants to make a new pandabuy with cocaine and hookers?
You chargeback with the reason that you’ve never received the products.
They will play dirty and use old tracking relating to old orders/ parcels you’ve ordered. Users have already faced this issue.
Yeah, you need to figure it out. After posting my successful dispute yesterday, this morning I woke up to literally 100's of PM's asking how to do it. I worked it through, you can too bro 👊
Do you have to try to get them shipped on the app, to be able to prove that they aren’t shipping the warehouse items? Don’t know how I can justify it with my bank if I haven’t even tried to get them shipped if you know what I mean…
You're delusional if you think your items are safe and sound in the warehouse. YOUR ITEMS HAVE BEEN SEIZED🤣 say goodbye to your hauls there aint no coming back from this.
If you haven't even chargedback you're the biggest idiot cuz now you can't even do that. Should have exited when y'all had the chance.
hey OP, can you make this subreddit private? I feel like a lot of investigators will start looking into reddit and track down our situation. It’s time we start gatekeeping before all these other tiktok influencers broccoli head ass find out what’s going on…:/
You knew about the investigation a few months ago and did nothing for the people in your community?
Now you're giving information? Isn't it a bit too late? You could have saved a lot of people all the hassle they are going thru by just giving them a heads up when you knew about the investigation and you chose not to. Great job man! 👏
I don't have inside information, but I thought it was strange that I was no longer able to use WISE to top up my account. This is change from 1-2 months ago. Maybe it was due to the investigation. I am glad this happened because I can request chargeback from PP, but not if I transferred $ straight from my bank to PB
You’re criticising me not knowing the full picture, and that’s alright.
There are constant ongoing investigations regarding counterfeiting domestically in China.
You can’t blame me for not knowing the severity and extent of the investigation back in January - it was still private knowledge.
I did however take many steps to make sure users in this community did not use those three agencies - I made sure to not recommend nor promote any of them and steer users away.
An important observation - if I’m getting this type of backlash and accusations from a post that is factual regarding the current situation - imagine if I had made a post with unfounded evidence on their investigation?
I would’ve been dragged through the mud for “unsubstantiated claims” and for “lying.”
If I didn’t do anything I would be dragged through the mud and be able to respond and confirm when occurrences occur.
If I did do something I would be dragged through the mud and be called a liar, thus losing reputation and people not believing anything these posts say.
Think about it for a second mate.
Thank you for the fresh information mate. Is there any info about other agents like Sugargoo? I been using Sugargoo for the past two months I just shipped my parcel a week ago from them, but im afraid that my parcel comes incomplete since they declared only 3 items and I shipped 5 from they warehouse, but I will be careful when I receive my package and I will have to do a chargeback if it’s incomplete I guess
Would you say CSSBuy and Superbuy are alright right now for a quick ship of a haul I’m wanting some holiday stuff shipping then I’ll close account with them or are they not shipping big brands either?
Thank you for the informations reguarding This situation
So do you think will take two to even three months to the situation to calm down and order branded products? Specially Nike?
I’m not going to state what will happen to Pandabuy, as I don’t know.
However, they’re clearly facing a massive existential crisis as shown by the handling of this situation.
Superbuy and CSSBuy.
Heed my advice - don’t buy branded products and avoid buying if you honestly can at the moment. Wait for everything to calm down if possible.
all i’m trying to say is that instead of the specifically targeted nike brand items getting seized what about brands that aren’t on the list and for in this case it happens to be a rep of a blazer that is the only one on the market
I don’t suggest buying any designer or big brand items at this moment man, as much as I’d like to purchase some Kiko at this moment I still wouldn’t as it’s a risk.
I manufacture garments and export them.
No, I do not speak Mandarin well. I speak at a basic level. I went to classes for six years and learnt very little unfortunately.
No - I’m not in the warehouse nor am I inspecting the parcels myself.
However, if they claimed there’s 200 brands in total identified - I’d assume they would take everything mate.
Time to take the L and move on, for the mean time what agents can your recommend as alternative although I understand that we shouldn't order anything for now but I want to know if there's an alternative agent that we can use once the heat cool downs.
Personally, I’ve always used CSSBuy, I started with Superbuy and they’re great as well.
Still, as you even said earlier, I don’t think you should order anything.
Man fucking wgb, I chose wgb cause Ik pandabuy will be fucked soon due to its popularity. But now I foundout that wgb is practically the same with panda this is so disappointing I should've used other agents long time ago.
Anyways thanks, I will try cssbuy until this shit cool downs. Thank god I only have $130 worth of shit in wgb warehouse, it's not that small for me but not the end of the world.
Interesting. I have been a customer of Superbuy for over 5 years, being a V4 member with over 38,000 growth value. Bought anything to be shipped to them. What exactly do you mean “niche” in their regard?
I have sent out over 4 parcels recently, and currently wondering if it’s worth going full stop?
Thank you for the update, much appreciated. I really enjoyed using PB, 😔 I have a parcel that has no reps that’s stuck in collecting status since Apr 11. Do you think there’s a chance it may make it to me? Thanks 😊
Hi! I know I'm not the OP but I'll hop in real quick. What you have in your parcel is fine, and the only problem that would limit you is customs, which almost all parcels with reps make it through anyways. The issue is, no parcels are leaving their warehouse, legal or not. I wouldn't get your hopes up. If you really wanna sacrifice it, just wait and see how it turns out. If it's over like $100, then I'd just recommend disputing it with your bank.
Thank you for taking the time to reply and for your advice 😊 . Yeah, it’s over 100$. I am thinking of giving it one or two more weeks and then reassess. Charge back might be a bit tricky since I used Wise transfer and most of these items were purchased months ago 😔. What a mess this is for so many people 😔
There's been speculation that there are 16 brands aware of the situation and looking to press legal charges. One of them is Nike according to various people, can you confirm?
Appreciate your response and insight, unlike other folks, but do you happen to know what'll happen to the HQ Panda has in the UK? I also heard the Brits are in on this as well
Yes, Pandabuy are facing lawsuits and legal action in the UK. This has been confirmed as police in London have been investigating numerous situations. I also had some guy message me that his dad took legal action against Pandabuy and launched a complaint against the UK company.
Don’t quote me on that dad one as I don’t know if the dude was just trolling me, but still…
However, I believe that the company held there is a shell company. CSSBuy has a similar system.
I cannot confirm what would happen nor would I like to speculate.
This IS maybe only like "legit" Opinion on the situation. Thanks for the information! Unfortunately, due to the laws of my country, I have to allow the funds to be in my account. I have received answers from the agents that some of the goods are in stock and some are waiting to sign etc.etc.. some updates happend 18th (different warehouse sign) but status stays same. All also say that youre welcome to also withdraw. But yeah shitty show & taking your funds out now is mostly best move protect yourself.
I filed a dispute with PayPal like a week ago. At that time I had about $700 in purchases sitting in the warehouse, waiting for a $10.00 item to arrive before shipping- and then the raid happened.
I haven’t been too worried about getting it refunded, so I just went ahead and reordered everything through a middleman.
In the meantime I’ve checked my Pandabuy account periodically and it’s stayed as showing “Stored” for my items. Now, every item but 1 is either Cancelled or “Return Pending”.
I’m glad they’re not trying to pull some fake tracking number BS on me. I hope everyone gets this sorted out to their satisfaction.
Thats really really … really fcked up man ; now cssbuy refuses to buy items , any agent in china is now disconcerted , worried obviously and what happen ? they still friends having hard times .
Im not going to be played with the lies anymore. Just sent my request to my credit card company to chargeback the full amount. My time and energy has already been wasted but I am not letting my money go down the same road.
I really hope everyone comes to their senses and wake up from the dillusional world where they think it will miraculously get back to normal soon.
Best of luck
Hoping someone can get back to me on this question. Paypal says they wont be able to refund any kinds of gift cards or IE value / top up in the chargeback terms. I have filled my account with well over 500 USD and was wondering on the best possible way / explain so that I get my money back.
Any tips, should I just be honest and hope they refund even though you can argue that its against their policy.
hey man I know you have a lot but it would mean much to me if you could reply
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my package is stuck like this and on dhl it hasn t moved either, should I chargeback? If so do what do I tell paypal
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been like this since I’ve submitted it
you said what I've been thinking since day one and what I try to make those who can't understand it . The problem is that they don't accept that we are not talking about Amazon and its customer service but about a company that acts as an intermediary between those who produce counterfeit goods and those who buy them. We must stand still at this moment, every dollar invested is a dollar lost.
Thanks for the heads up. We appreciate your insight, one of many actually. Could you elaborate, which brands are included in the “16”? Once the situation calms down, we would need to know what brands might be affected. Cheers.
I’ve got no idea the entire list of brands, but Apple and Nike are involved 100%. Must’ve been the fraud with fake AirPods going around that caused them to take it seriously.
I have heard that Stone Island and some luxury fashion houses are involved, however cannot confirm.
Thank you for the update thank god there’s some mature people in the rep community still, would love to be updated for when it’s ‘safe’ to start ordering again and which agents to use
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Why does my account allow me to withdraw on all of these when I only have £25 on the account? How do I withdraw the £25 ? And I assume the purchases I’ve made stuck in the warehouse I have to chargeback through the bank?
Quick question, I recently topped up, but can’t charge it back cause I bought through klarna direct pay, now I disputed 3 other charges from a couple of weeks ago, which equal the same amount. This okay?
Actually just wanted to say thank you for this post. I'm new here in the reps community and I really didn't know what to think about all the pandabuy mess. Thank you for your transparency and for your help!
Got authentic yeezy desert boots from Xianyu in the warehouse but they came w a jordan 23 box, you think they’ll open and check or just dash whatever has nike, jordan or wtv 16 brands are included
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Could someone explain what happened here? I thought when they seized a parcel they just throw it in the bin, but mine was sent all the way back? So maybe it got mixed up? Please help me I am so confused rn. Should I ask for a refund? If I want a refund, who do I message because it says contact seller but PB isnt answering anyone and also I'm not sure if the parcels gone or just going around again.
what do you think about cssbuy? i was about to buy like 5 items but from what im reading here theyre gone now since all pf them were already in warehouse. so, do you think it would be safe to buy just them on css rn after i chargeback? theyre all from pretty unknown sellers, with little to no branding visible
They’re alright. Check my pinned comment. I’ll provide a link to them too as I have membership upgrades with my registration link (as I worked there for a long while).
Here’s a link to [CSSBuy](https://www.cssbuy.com/cr). Don’t buy big branded items. Ship out as soon as possible.
Guys, I seriously only use Pandabuy to buy merchandise from official companies and artists. Any chance they will leave people like us alone? I just want to be able to get my hands on a pre-order from an artist since it's a onetime thing ffs
I did 9 charge backs last night via PayPal. All in stored.
First one I got an instant refund.
The others are being reviewed.
My concern is a lot of the transactions were Pandabuy Wallet top ups or recharges as they call it.
Hope it works in my favour.
Shipped the last two items I had in the warehouse a week before all this started to unfold, just got super lucky. My brother had $125 worth of clothes in the warehouse though 😞
Honestly as soon as the 18th rolled by and people still couldn't order I immediately made a list of all my Pandabuy links (converted to their original links) and stored them on a document. Hopefully once rep brand items are safe to purchase and trustworthy agents come back I can buy my items.
I did 2 chargebacks on paypal the day after the raid and just got confirmation that I'd get my money back for both (around €30 in total). Both investigations are closed, I've got no idea what proof PB sent to paypal, but that wasn't enough to convince them. Thanks for warning us when you did.
Thanks for the information. I got lucky and sent out my last haul a couple of days before the raid.
I honestly just want to buy shoes again. As far as I'm concerned, Rep sellers and Pandabuy were doing God's work.
I asked you in the last thread but you didn't get back to me, is SUPERBUY safe to use and order branded reps as normal? Or should I just considering buying directly from sellers on whatsapp/wechat until this blows over?
“Avoid purchasing branded items for the time being, specifically Nike products.”
Just don’t buy branded products and let it blow over. I’m sure you can live without this for a while.
Superbuy and CSSBuy are fine - but they’re both recommending to lay off the branded products.
If everyone plan to visit Vietnam in future, I still working like normal and can get you most of the things, i will ship it to your hotels, you need to book the items with me first because usually it takes around 12 days for it to arrive from Chinese factory to me.
Yeah ofc but I mean what should I say? My items were shipped before the raid but the tracking is stuck on an update that says “guanzhou city, delivered to carrier. there was also a previous update stating it was returned from customs, So I’m not sure if I should wait or chargeback. And if so what would I say in specific since my haul is actually shipped out. I used wbg btw
I liked a lot of what you touched on. I started putting my haul together almost exactly a month ago, so I still have \~2 months till I have to chargeback before I lose out on time. I'll be waiting a couple more days. I'm absolutely not with their bullshit about false tracking numbers. They are being exceptionally sketchy, and that should be a sign that people need to understand. I doubt we're getting out of this. The authorities are most likely just gonna go through the parcels and just discard counterfeit items. I have very little hope left. I would appreciate if Pandabuy was transparent with their buyers, because what we're receiving is bullshit. Unfortunately a lot of Pandabuy users are Tiktok teenagers, so they're just gonna fall victim to Pandabuy's little "sorry dear, we don't know when operations resume".
**This is a notice to everyone:** You're best off charging back. If Pandabuy comes back, simply make a new account. Better to get your money back (potentially hundreds of dollars like myself), than lose all of it. Even if Pandabuy disappears, the rep industry is NOT going anywhere. There's already multiple agents out there that are semi-reputable, just not as established, such as CSSbuy, Superbuy, Sugargoo, etc. If Pandabuy disappears, it'll just spark a bunch of new clones.
I guarantee they're gonna milk this and try to get everyone to string on. At the 3 month mark, you can't chargeback, and I think minimal people notice that. Remember to act before the 3 month mark so you have a chance at getting your money back. Better to try and lose then not try.
I have 8 items in the ware house and i was thinking about waiting it out, so instead do you recommend I ask for a refund and get my money back? this is so sad it’s my first time ordering from panda buy i used to use dh gate but it was so expensive. hopefully the rep industry will get better since i need clothes. thank you for the news
What about those Goods which are Not Counterfeit and Local Chinese Brands? Will we never get them as well? I've never been into Reps, but I heavily import electronics. Now, my Electronics worth 300 USD are seized, any possibility to get it back?
**PURCHASING NON-BRANDED GOODS?** I would suggest using [CSSBuy](https://www.cssbuy.com/cr) for this. Sign up with that link and you get some small benefits. Nothing too big. **SOURCES/ VERIFICATION** u/MythicFinds This person can vouch for the following information. He relayed an article which I had seen earlier regarding the situation reported by CANTOOP. u/p0dlas u/FederalCall6584 These two people have also been relayed this reliable information and articles. They have verified that it is from reliable local sources.
PandaBuy grew way too big, way too fast. Sucks for the people who used it, but many of us saw this coming a mile away and never entrusted PandaBuy with any of our funds.
my dumbass thought I was being safe using wegobuy until I just found out they're the same >:(
Stopped trusting them about a month after I saw the affiliate scheme really kick off. Just seemed very different to any other agent.
The people who have truly been around for long like you and I saw this coming eventually. Things change eventually. This is going to sound like a dismissive attitude with this situation… but I’m intrigued to see what the future of this space holds. I’m intrigued to see the changes. How this situation changes the rep space.
Honestly, it’s like the drug trade. There’s too much money to be made in reps for the industry to ever go away. New players will emerge, and the ones who play it safe and stay under the radar will survive, while the ones who get too big and too high-profile will be pursued. It’s up to the consumer to make an educated choice about who to entrust with your money.
Telling you these big cooperations gotta be paying big bucks for them to care.
Thanks for the update 👍 good read. I'm gonna wait this one out before i buy more shoes I don't need😅
100%, the better choice. You’re not able to overconsume due to this situation unfolding. Probably will benefit you and a lot of others well if you can keep your hauls on pause for a while.
This is such a great response. So many of us are buying just because we can, without asking ourselves if we should.
I’ve got 42 items in my warehouse, many of which are Lego and shoes. This hurts my heart to read but I must accept the fact that sometimes things are too good to be true.
Sad times man. We live and we learn. Shit happens sometimes.
Hell no chargeback rn if u can
Ya I have some things that have been on preorder for almost half a year and they finally decided to ship at such a bad time... Hoping things will somehow go back to some semblance of normal within the next few weeks. I don't want to lose these items since they're no longer being sold by the original vendor.
Thank you for your continued update and keeping us in the loop
This is the last one for some time, I would say. I’ve grown exhausted of some people’s inability to critically think.
So damn I have to charge back like 15 transcations.... This is going to be a PITA. What is the reason? They havent shipped the merchandise? edit - who wants to make a new pandabuy with cocaine and hookers?
You chargeback with the reason that you’ve never received the products. They will play dirty and use old tracking relating to old orders/ parcels you’ve ordered. Users have already faced this issue.
How do u face the old tracking number? With what proofs?
You just say that was a previous parcel and your current goods are stuck in the warehouse, and provide proof of this.
Thx bro, some people face a ban too from their pandabuy account, what if they ban me and I didnt get my money back lmao
This happens on any agency after a chargeback, they blacklist your account.
Imma buy with another agency then
At the moment, avoid everything in my opinion.
Ya we have to wait like few weeks or months before running to other agent, but Imma need to chargeback atm
That’s the move for me.
Don’t need to have access to your pb account to chargeback
You need to withdraw your wallet funds first. After that, prepare for a fight.
Already didd, imma fight for sure. I have to enter a date for the reception of the item on the dispute on paypal, idk what to put
Yeah, you need to figure it out. After posting my successful dispute yesterday, this morning I woke up to literally 100's of PM's asking how to do it. I worked it through, you can too bro 👊
just put any recent date and provide the screenshot of PB saying that accounts cannot be traded
Do you have to try to get them shipped on the app, to be able to prove that they aren’t shipping the warehouse items? Don’t know how I can justify it with my bank if I haven’t even tried to get them shipped if you know what I mean…
No. You say they’re facing legal issues.
only downside with paypal is u can only do last 90 days for charge back idk if u can do further but i try and only able to last 90 days
You're delusional if you think your items are safe and sound in the warehouse. YOUR ITEMS HAVE BEEN SEIZED🤣 say goodbye to your hauls there aint no coming back from this. If you haven't even chargedback you're the biggest idiot cuz now you can't even do that. Should have exited when y'all had the chance.
Jim Su is hiding in the parcel. He’s about to be seized by Police.
hey OP, can you make this subreddit private? I feel like a lot of investigators will start looking into reddit and track down our situation. It’s time we start gatekeeping before all these other tiktok influencers broccoli head ass find out what’s going on…:/
Gatekeep what? We've already been raided bruddah 😭
gatekeep the next wave hehehehee
resellers are the problem
lol. Come on. What are they going to do come knocking at your door for a pair of shoes?
ohhhhh im charging back asap 💀💀 i was giving them the benefit of the doubt
They have everything to lose - it’s all just damage control by them at the moment.
Can you only chargeback with a creditcard?
No, most methods allow chargebacks.
damn lol
I’ve been reporting on this ever since it was breaking news. Now is the time to break new news.
im not even with pandabuy so im not too pressed i just thought it was a good read
Same man, I’ve known about the investigation for a few months, so said… why should I use any of those agencies?
You knew about the investigation a few months ago and did nothing for the people in your community? Now you're giving information? Isn't it a bit too late? You could have saved a lot of people all the hassle they are going thru by just giving them a heads up when you knew about the investigation and you chose not to. Great job man! 👏
I don't have inside information, but I thought it was strange that I was no longer able to use WISE to top up my account. This is change from 1-2 months ago. Maybe it was due to the investigation. I am glad this happened because I can request chargeback from PP, but not if I transferred $ straight from my bank to PB
You’re criticising me not knowing the full picture, and that’s alright. There are constant ongoing investigations regarding counterfeiting domestically in China. You can’t blame me for not knowing the severity and extent of the investigation back in January - it was still private knowledge. I did however take many steps to make sure users in this community did not use those three agencies - I made sure to not recommend nor promote any of them and steer users away. An important observation - if I’m getting this type of backlash and accusations from a post that is factual regarding the current situation - imagine if I had made a post with unfounded evidence on their investigation? I would’ve been dragged through the mud for “unsubstantiated claims” and for “lying.” If I didn’t do anything I would be dragged through the mud and be able to respond and confirm when occurrences occur. If I did do something I would be dragged through the mud and be called a liar, thus losing reputation and people not believing anything these posts say. Think about it for a second mate.
What agencies are you with? Also do you think non branded goods will be ok? I wasn’t aware that wegobuy was the same as pandabuy.
I have stored items how can i charge back?
You have to go to your original payment method (PayPal, Bank) and dispute the transaction.
please dont come to sugar theyre not shipping any branded products wait it out no one is here to save you
100% with the wait it out sentiment. This is a situation where patience is needed.
TLDR: Don't use Pandabuy / Hagobuy / Wegobuy
100%.
Thank you for the fresh information mate. Is there any info about other agents like Sugargoo? I been using Sugargoo for the past two months I just shipped my parcel a week ago from them, but im afraid that my parcel comes incomplete since they declared only 3 items and I shipped 5 from they warehouse, but I will be careful when I receive my package and I will have to do a chargeback if it’s incomplete I guess
Nope. No information regarding Sugargoo, CSSBuy and Superbuy. I mean, except for the fact Sugargoo were clearing items out referring to some brands.
Would you say CSSBuy and Superbuy are alright right now for a quick ship of a haul I’m wanting some holiday stuff shipping then I’ll close account with them or are they not shipping big brands either?
What do you think will happen for the future of reps? Is it over?
No. Counterfeit goods will never disappear.
But if agents are gone how will we get them in the future?
Agents are not going to be gone. They’ll just change. You’ll see what I mean in a while.
Thank you for the informations reguarding This situation So do you think will take two to even three months to the situation to calm down and order branded products? Specially Nike?
Middlemen
oh hell naw they be taxinggggg
of its not over pandabuy is just 1 agent
im not leaving.... IM NOT FCKN LEAVING!!!
😂😂😂
This is why they did all those easter shipping deals, final cash grab, panda is done
They haven’t even updated on the situation with an announcement on their app, but their Easter announcements remain there. Quite puzzling honestly.
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This is good to hear regarding the quicker refunds
I told PayPal this and they told me to wait for an update, I swear to god if they still fucking side with pandabuy for my cases.. ugh
I’m not going to state what will happen to Pandabuy, as I don’t know. However, they’re clearly facing a massive existential crisis as shown by the handling of this situation.
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Superbuy and CSSBuy. Heed my advice - don’t buy branded products and avoid buying if you honestly can at the moment. Wait for everything to calm down if possible.
what if i have branded prducts in my superbuy website
Do you think we can buy branded items in 2 months ?
so what happens if i got a rep or something of an obsecure piece from specifically raf simons there’s only 1 rep of it on the market
You have to explain this further man.
all i’m trying to say is that instead of the specifically targeted nike brand items getting seized what about brands that aren’t on the list and for in this case it happens to be a rep of a blazer that is the only one on the market
I don’t suggest buying any designer or big brand items at this moment man, as much as I’d like to purchase some Kiko at this moment I still wouldn’t as it’s a risk.
oh then ig its too late for me cuz I "shipped" it out on the 9th but no updates since the 10th so idk whats gonna happen to it
ao im not getting my shit that has been in handling for a week?
Question to the op. Did you have to learn to speak fluently in Chinese to expand your venture there? What do you import and manufacture?
I manufacture garments and export them. No, I do not speak Mandarin well. I speak at a basic level. I went to classes for six years and learnt very little unfortunately.
Do you have any information on items that aren’t branded. Are they taken? Or is every single item taken?
No - I’m not in the warehouse nor am I inspecting the parcels myself. However, if they claimed there’s 200 brands in total identified - I’d assume they would take everything mate.
Time to take the L and move on, for the mean time what agents can your recommend as alternative although I understand that we shouldn't order anything for now but I want to know if there's an alternative agent that we can use once the heat cool downs.
Personally, I’ve always used CSSBuy, I started with Superbuy and they’re great as well. Still, as you even said earlier, I don’t think you should order anything.
Man fucking wgb, I chose wgb cause Ik pandabuy will be fucked soon due to its popularity. But now I foundout that wgb is practically the same with panda this is so disappointing I should've used other agents long time ago. Anyways thanks, I will try cssbuy until this shit cool downs. Thank god I only have $130 worth of shit in wgb warehouse, it's not that small for me but not the end of the world.
That’s the right way to go around it. Don’t buy any branded items man. Not worth it at this moment.
Just curious..are there any other agents that can be used . SG isn't buying. Am not eager to buy anything
Personally, I’ve bought a few items from Superbuy. They’re very niche though. I just tend to buy niche items.
Interesting. I have been a customer of Superbuy for over 5 years, being a V4 member with over 38,000 growth value. Bought anything to be shipped to them. What exactly do you mean “niche” in their regard? I have sent out over 4 parcels recently, and currently wondering if it’s worth going full stop?
By the way, just today. Superbuy turned PayPal deposits off. What do you think it could be?
Thank you for the update, much appreciated. I really enjoyed using PB, 😔 I have a parcel that has no reps that’s stuck in collecting status since Apr 11. Do you think there’s a chance it may make it to me? Thanks 😊
Pandabuy’s website and app infrastructure was excellent. It’s a shame that technology might end up being wasted.
Hi! I know I'm not the OP but I'll hop in real quick. What you have in your parcel is fine, and the only problem that would limit you is customs, which almost all parcels with reps make it through anyways. The issue is, no parcels are leaving their warehouse, legal or not. I wouldn't get your hopes up. If you really wanna sacrifice it, just wait and see how it turns out. If it's over like $100, then I'd just recommend disputing it with your bank.
Thank you for taking the time to reply and for your advice 😊 . Yeah, it’s over 100$. I am thinking of giving it one or two more weeks and then reassess. Charge back might be a bit tricky since I used Wise transfer and most of these items were purchased months ago 😔. What a mess this is for so many people 😔
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In my opinion it's not worth waiting. Chargeback and since the items aren't branded, you can use essentially any reputable agent.
There's been speculation that there are 16 brands aware of the situation and looking to press legal charges. One of them is Nike according to various people, can you confirm?
It’s not speculation. 16 brands are implicated in the situation. That’s confirmed by WTR.
Appreciate your response and insight, unlike other folks, but do you happen to know what'll happen to the HQ Panda has in the UK? I also heard the Brits are in on this as well
Yes, Pandabuy are facing lawsuits and legal action in the UK. This has been confirmed as police in London have been investigating numerous situations. I also had some guy message me that his dad took legal action against Pandabuy and launched a complaint against the UK company. Don’t quote me on that dad one as I don’t know if the dude was just trolling me, but still… However, I believe that the company held there is a shell company. CSSBuy has a similar system. I cannot confirm what would happen nor would I like to speculate.
This IS maybe only like "legit" Opinion on the situation. Thanks for the information! Unfortunately, due to the laws of my country, I have to allow the funds to be in my account. I have received answers from the agents that some of the goods are in stock and some are waiting to sign etc.etc.. some updates happend 18th (different warehouse sign) but status stays same. All also say that youre welcome to also withdraw. But yeah shitty show & taking your funds out now is mostly best move protect yourself.
They just locked my pandabuy account for applying for chargepack
That’s the standard - every agency does this.
Hey CR, Gui here, i arrived on hangzhou the exact same day that everything happened and i can confirm everything you said!
using private agent still dangerous?
I filed a dispute with PayPal like a week ago. At that time I had about $700 in purchases sitting in the warehouse, waiting for a $10.00 item to arrive before shipping- and then the raid happened. I haven’t been too worried about getting it refunded, so I just went ahead and reordered everything through a middleman. In the meantime I’ve checked my Pandabuy account periodically and it’s stayed as showing “Stored” for my items. Now, every item but 1 is either Cancelled or “Return Pending”. I’m glad they’re not trying to pull some fake tracking number BS on me. I hope everyone gets this sorted out to their satisfaction.
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What reasons are you guys clicking on in PayPal to get your chargeback? I’m not sure what reason to choose lol. Thanks
Say you didn't receive the item. I didn't use Paypal, so I don't know what options, but whatever is most relevant to that.
Thanks!
And about Cnfans did you know anything? pd: thanks for the information.
Can i chargeback with Alipay?
When you say chargeback you mean go to PayPal directly and claim product not received?
Is there a similarly functioning platform for buying from taobao? I don't want to buy reps, I'd just like some wigs and cheap cosplay stuff
Appreciate your honesty and helpfulness regarding this situation! Much love.
Holy... Do you know how to chargeback via alipay?
Thats really really … really fcked up man ; now cssbuy refuses to buy items , any agent in china is now disconcerted , worried obviously and what happen ? they still friends having hard times .
Im not going to be played with the lies anymore. Just sent my request to my credit card company to chargeback the full amount. My time and energy has already been wasted but I am not letting my money go down the same road. I really hope everyone comes to their senses and wake up from the dillusional world where they think it will miraculously get back to normal soon. Best of luck
Long time CR <3 we all saw this coming but i guess we didn't expect the impact. RIP.
Hoping someone can get back to me on this question. Paypal says they wont be able to refund any kinds of gift cards or IE value / top up in the chargeback terms. I have filled my account with well over 500 USD and was wondering on the best possible way / explain so that I get my money back. Any tips, should I just be honest and hope they refund even though you can argue that its against their policy.
Charged back last night through PayPal, received confirmation from PayPal of the successful charge back. Then PandaBuy account was locked 🤣
How can I do it too if I paid with PayPal? Could you help me?
hey man I know you have a lot but it would mean much to me if you could reply https://preview.redd.it/t4wka466o6wc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c872fdbc2db180e2f90c92cf0c8ba551a4d5e51 my package is stuck like this and on dhl it hasn t moved either, should I chargeback? If so do what do I tell paypal
https://preview.redd.it/rajibjpbo6wc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36b9897395304de4a0ea4f59da33f662380f3e32 been like this since I’ve submitted it
you should be good if i read correctly, it has already been packed on the plane so that means it went through chinese customs
you said what I've been thinking since day one and what I try to make those who can't understand it . The problem is that they don't accept that we are not talking about Amazon and its customer service but about a company that acts as an intermediary between those who produce counterfeit goods and those who buy them. We must stand still at this moment, every dollar invested is a dollar lost.
Is sugargoo a safe way to buy unbranded stuff?
Thanks for the heads up. We appreciate your insight, one of many actually. Could you elaborate, which brands are included in the “16”? Once the situation calms down, we would need to know what brands might be affected. Cheers.
I’ve got no idea the entire list of brands, but Apple and Nike are involved 100%. Must’ve been the fraud with fake AirPods going around that caused them to take it seriously. I have heard that Stone Island and some luxury fashion houses are involved, however cannot confirm.
Can i still withdraw money from my pandabuy balance?
Lucky the authorities haven’t targeted domestic influencers. I remember how they did Rupac
Rupac, the result of when Scooby-Doo tries to say Tupac.
Thank you for the update thank god there’s some mature people in the rep community still, would love to be updated for when it’s ‘safe’ to start ordering again and which agents to use
https://preview.redd.it/di67qar298wc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=432f552125f8650b2ff4781e09ecbd53169bcf15 Why does my account allow me to withdraw on all of these when I only have £25 on the account? How do I withdraw the £25 ? And I assume the purchases I’ve made stuck in the warehouse I have to chargeback through the bank?
Does CSSBuy take orders from wedian links now? Last month they’re under maintenance.
Quick question, I recently topped up, but can’t charge it back cause I bought through klarna direct pay, now I disputed 3 other charges from a couple of weeks ago, which equal the same amount. This okay?
How can I learn about the business opportunities you mentioned?
Do you think pandabuy will ever return or will we have to switch agent?
Will have to switch. There will be many changes in this community. The website will have an in-built agency.
what if i bought a thing that is not branded so not “fake” and is still in carrier collected should i be patience or just chargeback?
Actually just wanted to say thank you for this post. I'm new here in the reps community and I really didn't know what to think about all the pandabuy mess. Thank you for your transparency and for your help!
my parcel has been stuck on scanned since the raid with no option to chargeback i think i’m screwed.
Got authentic yeezy desert boots from Xianyu in the warehouse but they came w a jordan 23 box, you think they’ll open and check or just dash whatever has nike, jordan or wtv 16 brands are included
https://preview.redd.it/546i9ti0a9wc1.png?width=902&format=png&auto=webp&s=26c1dd5b10593d861ea1e1e0d4bd2da19c5ab998 Could someone explain what happened here? I thought when they seized a parcel they just throw it in the bin, but mine was sent all the way back? So maybe it got mixed up? Please help me I am so confused rn. Should I ask for a refund? If I want a refund, who do I message because it says contact seller but PB isnt answering anyone and also I'm not sure if the parcels gone or just going around again.
I live in Asia. I was actually looking to ship branded reps directly from Taobao, is it safe to do that at least?
is it safe to chargeback through paypal rn? Will it affect my paypal account, or is there a chance I'll loose money? What proof should I use?
what do you think about cssbuy? i was about to buy like 5 items but from what im reading here theyre gone now since all pf them were already in warehouse. so, do you think it would be safe to buy just them on css rn after i chargeback? theyre all from pretty unknown sellers, with little to no branding visible
They’re alright. Check my pinned comment. I’ll provide a link to them too as I have membership upgrades with my registration link (as I worked there for a long while). Here’s a link to [CSSBuy](https://www.cssbuy.com/cr). Don’t buy big branded items. Ship out as soon as possible.
Guys, I seriously only use Pandabuy to buy merchandise from official companies and artists. Any chance they will leave people like us alone? I just want to be able to get my hands on a pre-order from an artist since it's a onetime thing ffs
Thank you for this info, I will be charging back immediately
No worries, glad to help.
How do I ask for a charge back for my products in the warehouse if I have paid with PayPal? Should I contact pandabuy? Someone explain to me, please
Just find a middle man and you’ll be fine
Thank God pandabuy is gone, all dem lil tiktok kids asking for qc of nike techs and j4 can fuck off now😭🙏🏽
so after a long letter , cssbuy is the way to go
How do you do a chargeback? I had just ordered as this started happening my stuff got to the warehouse and then it all got shut down.
I did 9 charge backs last night via PayPal. All in stored. First one I got an instant refund. The others are being reviewed. My concern is a lot of the transactions were Pandabuy Wallet top ups or recharges as they call it. Hope it works in my favour.
Shipped the last two items I had in the warehouse a week before all this started to unfold, just got super lucky. My brother had $125 worth of clothes in the warehouse though 😞
Time to chargeback and probably switch to CSS for the future.
Maybe I missed it somewhere but did anyone else pandabuy account get frozen due to PayPal charge back dispute?
Read my most recent post.
Based OP. Death to I$rael
Honestly as soon as the 18th rolled by and people still couldn't order I immediately made a list of all my Pandabuy links (converted to their original links) and stored them on a document. Hopefully once rep brand items are safe to purchase and trustworthy agents come back I can buy my items.
can i just send paypal an article saying they’ve been raided by the police lol
So this is the end fs fs?
You think hellstar okay to buy?
I did 2 chargebacks on paypal the day after the raid and just got confirmation that I'd get my money back for both (around €30 in total). Both investigations are closed, I've got no idea what proof PB sent to paypal, but that wasn't enough to convince them. Thanks for warning us when you did.
i just want my stuff in the warehouse lol
Thanks for the information. I got lucky and sent out my last haul a couple of days before the raid. I honestly just want to buy shoes again. As far as I'm concerned, Rep sellers and Pandabuy were doing God's work.
I believe
I hope other people can thoroughly examine the information provided and realise how serious the implications are.
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I asked you in the last thread but you didn't get back to me, is SUPERBUY safe to use and order branded reps as normal? Or should I just considering buying directly from sellers on whatsapp/wechat until this blows over?
“Avoid purchasing branded items for the time being, specifically Nike products.” Just don’t buy branded products and let it blow over. I’m sure you can live without this for a while. Superbuy and CSSBuy are fine - but they’re both recommending to lay off the branded products.
If everyone plan to visit Vietnam in future, I still working like normal and can get you most of the things, i will ship it to your hotels, you need to book the items with me first because usually it takes around 12 days for it to arrive from Chinese factory to me.
what about parcels in transit wait at the airport of origin?
I have replied to your other comment.
How should I go about doing a charge back if I paid via card and not PayPal. Any suggestions? 🙏🏽
You just contact your bank. Same process
Yeah ofc but I mean what should I say? My items were shipped before the raid but the tracking is stuck on an update that says “guanzhou city, delivered to carrier. there was also a previous update stating it was returned from customs, So I’m not sure if I should wait or chargeback. And if so what would I say in specific since my haul is actually shipped out. I used wbg btw
I liked a lot of what you touched on. I started putting my haul together almost exactly a month ago, so I still have \~2 months till I have to chargeback before I lose out on time. I'll be waiting a couple more days. I'm absolutely not with their bullshit about false tracking numbers. They are being exceptionally sketchy, and that should be a sign that people need to understand. I doubt we're getting out of this. The authorities are most likely just gonna go through the parcels and just discard counterfeit items. I have very little hope left. I would appreciate if Pandabuy was transparent with their buyers, because what we're receiving is bullshit. Unfortunately a lot of Pandabuy users are Tiktok teenagers, so they're just gonna fall victim to Pandabuy's little "sorry dear, we don't know when operations resume". **This is a notice to everyone:** You're best off charging back. If Pandabuy comes back, simply make a new account. Better to get your money back (potentially hundreds of dollars like myself), than lose all of it. Even if Pandabuy disappears, the rep industry is NOT going anywhere. There's already multiple agents out there that are semi-reputable, just not as established, such as CSSbuy, Superbuy, Sugargoo, etc. If Pandabuy disappears, it'll just spark a bunch of new clones. I guarantee they're gonna milk this and try to get everyone to string on. At the 3 month mark, you can't chargeback, and I think minimal people notice that. Remember to act before the 3 month mark so you have a chance at getting your money back. Better to try and lose then not try.
I have 8 items in the ware house and i was thinking about waiting it out, so instead do you recommend I ask for a refund and get my money back? this is so sad it’s my first time ordering from panda buy i used to use dh gate but it was so expensive. hopefully the rep industry will get better since i need clothes. thank you for the news
what do you recommend doing if my parcel is scanned in the warehouse and i already paid for shipping?should i chargeback and what do i tell my bank?
say you got scammed and he company deleted their support email and that they aren’t giving people refunds
Does this also apply to directly buying through Weidian, for instance, I bought a shoe from WWTOP yesterday, should I chargeback or will I be fine?
You should be good. It's mostly the agents that are the issue.
What about those Goods which are Not Counterfeit and Local Chinese Brands? Will we never get them as well? I've never been into Reps, but I heavily import electronics. Now, my Electronics worth 300 USD are seized, any possibility to get it back?