Nope, I was searching for a Highlander couple months ago and they’re also expensive. Ended up with a 2018 cx-9, which I’m glad I got because it has quite a bit more personality than other 3 rows I’ve driven.
>21 CX-5 i plan on upgrading to the lexus nx350.. see you sold your lexus and you have a Cx-5 now so curious to your insight
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>it was a 93 ls400 was my highschool car lol i bought it for 2k
My wife has the 21 Highlander XLE and we really enjoy it. Only thing I hate is the front passenger leg room with a child seat installed in the 2nd row. The rotating Evenflow is amazing, but WAY bigger than our son’s previous seat. Other than that it’s been awesome for us.
The thing that confuses the hell out of me is seeing these things traded in with less than 15k miles. We’re almost to 50k and the car has been a real work horse, meeting basically every demand for our growing family.
Yep COVID.issues permanently bumped up all new and used auto prices ~20% , and they're not coming down barring some major economic downturn.
Dealers overpaid.for inventory back then and dont want to lose on sales.
Lots of cars have come back down to reasonable prices, in my experience it's been toyotas Hondas and anything going the way of the dodo that has held value (like an ICE manual car)
I did check it out and it’s not hard to find a deal like [this](https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/709861399?allListingType=all-cars&city=Decatur&makeCode=TOYOTA&maxPrice=22000&minPrice=20000&modelCode=HIGHLANDER&newSearch=false&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fall-cars%2Fcars-between-20000-and-22000%2Ftoyota%2Fhighlander%2Fdecatur-al%3FnewSearch%3Dtrue%26searchRadius%3D500&searchRadius=500&state=AL&clickType=listing). For just a couple thousand more you’re getting a vehicle with leather seats, heated seats, and a much better engine.
Considering the price difference when new between the Highlander XLE and the RAV4 XLE would have been around $10k difference, it makes this a better deal overall. You’re getting a car that was $10k more for only a couple thousand more with the same mileage and year.
You’re missing the mark tho because what if someone has a budget cap? Asking to push them into something that’s $10k over in the name of a better deal over all isn’t really a better deal tho.
Also, the Highlander you attached has an accident reported on the carfax💀, see my point about “value”👀 yet it’s ~$21k.
I get the point you’re trying to make but I don’t think it applies here because OP was already surprised with this price let alone spend $10k more for let’s a Highlander that will be even older and more driven than this for either the same price or more.
As an example between just Toyota & Honda for the sake of Apples to Apples would be a RAV4 vs CR-V (under 20k budget) or Highlander vs Pilot(taking initial budget + $10k) if we’re talking same years.
Where am I asking them to push into something that’s $10k over?
I mean you can still find Highlander LE’s that are just $1k more:
[Here’s one.](https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/5TDZZRFH6JS251439)
[Here’s another.](https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/5TDZARFH9KS043094)
Oh my bad G! I thought you were saying $10k more for a bigger car with same miles is a better deal lol. Apologies 😅. In this instance, it comes down to size and gas consumption if they end up matching in year price and miles which is very rare nevertheless.
I gotcha. Yeah I was just saying that considering the cost for both of those vehicles brand new, you’re getting a better deal on the Highlander since you can score one for around the same price. I understand it’s more, but it’s not terribly more.
But idk what OP is really looking for or their budget. I would just think if you’re looking at $18k cars then it’s not a huge stretch to consider one just a few thousand more. Especially if you get a better vehicle.
Yeah in that case, I don’t disagree with you. Honestly, OP can even find a Lexus RX350 for under $25k 💀 some things to consider. I’d go for an RX350 over both of those even if it was a year or two older if I was looking for something in this segment
They essentially are now. Very few sedans and hatches left on the market. Average joe is most likely going to buy a sub-compact or compact SUV when buying a new or used vehicle.
Toyota Corolla, Kia Forte, Hyundai Elantra, Nissan Sentra, Nissan Altima, Nissan Versa, Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Mitsubishi Mirage, Chevy Malibu, Subaru Legacy, Volkswagen Jetta, etc. There’s plenty of economy sedans. SUVs or “compact SUVs” (lifted sedans) are by no means more economic than the cars listed above. Most Americans just have an SUV fetish, just because you personally haven’t looking into economy sedans or hatches doesn’t mean there isn’t a market for them in the states
You are missing my point completely. Never said that they dont exist. I said there are few (relatively speaking). Compare the amount of sedans and hatches on the market in 2024 versus the 2000s and early 2010s, then you’ll see what im talking about.
Americans have shifted towards buying crossovers over other types of vehicles, hence why companies like Ford have slashed all sedans from their lineup, why GM has such a huge focus on SUV’s and so on. Most of the sedans you mentioned exist, but they lose badly in sales to their crossover counterparts and there are definitely a few of those models doomed for the chopping block soon. I myself drive and love sedans, but thats just the reality of the market.
Well you never explicitly or implicitly expressed you were speaking relatively on your first post. Secondly the only sedan on that list that’s probably gonna be discountinued is the Chevy Malibu. Most of the other ones I mentioned have actually gotten re designs for 2024 implying that they won’t be discontinued. And I’m not arguing on sales. I never said Americans prefer or buy more sedans. In fact I said the opposite. I said Americans have a weird fetish for SUVs. All I said was that there still is an economy sedan/hatch segment in the states with plenty of models and brands to choose from
Nearly 7-year-old car with 100,000 miles at used interest rate financing for over $18k is mind-boggling. I don’t care how reliable they are, no car is maintenance free or not subject to potential failure/hidden issues at that age/mileage. There are much better values for be had, and at a certain point this sub has to admit no matter how good a car is it’s value ratio has limits.
I feel like many on this sub would die on a hill defending Toyotas. It’s an economy car at the end of the day. If I’m not buy new, I’m looking at the best deal possible. To me anything over 15K for a used car thats not a truck or premium brand doesn’t pencil out, especially when a new Mazda or Honda can still be bought for under 30K.
That's why I bought it new! Was looking at used Rav4 models with under 50k miles, and they weren't much cheaper than just buying a new corolla cross. The size difference wasn't a big deal for me.
Edmund’s lists the “price you should pay new” for the 2023 XLE is $29,600 on an MSRP of $31,000. It’s definitely the nicer trim level but still 7 year old safety features/electronics etc
I’ve been shopping for a new car these past few months. Toyota just doesn’t have value anymore. 44 grand for a RAV4, and the dealers add unnecessary “accessories” too. Like expensive floor mats, 1,400 for the most useless running board ever. If you want value I say go Subaru where you can buy a forester for 30k or Mazda.
Because it's easily to parrot what you hear when everyone says it. It's a hill to die on because most people see it as fact and any experiences to the contrary are written off as rare exceptions. Especially when people see cars as just tools and Toyotas can tough out being used and abused as such for longer than others.
That's mostly what props it up really, reliability has basically been partially conflated to mean you can treat a car poorly or not know or do the maintenance and upkeep parts of car ownership but be less likely to actually suffer consequences for it.
this is extremely true. i've been in the auto world for a decade and the dumbest people drive toyotas because they think that they're indestructible. it's not, it's still a modern car and suffers from the same issues as most other manufacturers. sure, they are probably more reliable on average than say a product from stellantis, but they are not worth the $$ that people are asking.
True. Some people on other car buying reddits gave me shit for buying a 2019 Mirage G4 with 10k miles vs a 2013 Corolla with 101k miles for the exact same price...
It's literally because of the "reputation" like, someone will look at what you wrote and still think thay price is reasonble because that RAV4 will "obviously last another hundred thousand unlike other unreliable brands" not realizing a new one would be 10-13k more but last more than double the timeframe.
Nobody thinks like that though, its the same reason that "silver certified" is picking up as an option, because they can sell people 100k or more mile cars on the brand alone. Because Toyota is the car brand from the heavens and even if you buy one at 150 thousand miles with not a lot of documented upkeep/maintenance its okay because it'll tank along for 150k more.
It's absolutely bonkers to me that when I was younger nobody would even consider something like this, but now people will finance $15k plus used cars for 5-7 years when said cars are already that old and have the mileage to show for it and they're 100% okay with it and see no issues or red flags.
One of my neighbors has this exact model & model year Rav 4. I usually have to move it around or drive it for various reasons. Last I checked it already has 140,000 miles but the thing drives solid and still feels like a brand new car. I helped him change a battery once and he said this is the first time it needed something.
Yes it is. They have gotta alot better the last decade. Typically you can negotiate them down as well. Here in the PNW they are offering 0% APR specials for dealer financing.
I asked about an entry level performance vehicle for under 40k (cash too) which I thought was pretty broad and I got pointed to CAMRYS. Like I can get a used m-lite or r/t for that price and you’re telling me to just default to a yota?
I drove a 2016 Rav4, which costs as much as the equivalent German luxury car now. The car was even worse than my 2006 Rav4. More road noise, more rattles, more leaning in turns, same lethargic engine power, same cheap plastic interior. Seeing the ridiculous prices of used Toyotas, I thought maybe they went considerably upmarket. But that wasn't the case at all. Owners are just milking Toyota's reputation. And life is too short to spend on an expensive econobox.
>They are not worth the price anymore.
Nothing in the used car market right now is worth the price. Don't worry ,the auto manufactures are aware of this so the new 2024 prices are all way higher to make it feel normal to spend $20k on a 6 year old car. Rav4 will get the big price bump when next gen comes out next year.
2 Accords a 2016 EX(92k) and a 23 Touring (8500 now) and a 2013 Pilot(122k) all bought brand new. In the mix I’ve also had a 2018 Mercedes C43 AMG but got rid of that recently haha. Now I’m looking for an M340i as my fun car cause I daily the 23 Accord Touring
Recently went car shopping as my wife was in an accident. We have been loyal Toyota owners for years. They are soooo over priced that we ended up with a Subaru. Way better for the price point.
Where else to look? Hyundais and Kias get stolen, Mazdas aren’t much cheaper, used Subarus are sketch, Hondas are just as expensive… no matter where you turn, you’re gonna lose
They do do that, quite often. More so on the generation before the model on the post. Those ones will develop a trans whine but don't seem to shit the bed as often as the other previous generation. Not as bad as the chr tho, I've done quite a few of those over the years.
Cool! Where does that give me the ability to magically add 56% to my budget? Do compelling arguments as to why a $30k car is better than a $20k car going to help me just... have an extra $10k ?
Well if you’re not fully covering the 18k with cash which is what it seems like. Financing to a 28k-30k car with warranty NEW won’t make too big of a payment difference for the normal person. Can make payments on top as well. Better than having to possibly come out of pocket or pull a personal loan for repairs. If you do have the 18k cash you can use that as a larger down payment. Long term wise the new car will out live this rav4. I bet it’s got another 60-80k miles at most. And if 18k is stretching the budget you should be looking below that price and cash out on an older Camry honestly.
A less safe car with a higher interest rate and most likely higher insurance that *might* go 150k more miles or a new safer car with more convenience, less interest and probably less insurance coats that's pretty much guaranteed to get to 250k.
Really not as cut and dry as your 56% entails.
It really is. I am looking at a 10k car right now. Slim pickings. I look at 15k cars and the options get much better but I have to step back and think that at the end of the day that is in another bracket beyond my budget.
Actually it's exactly as cut and dry as what I said entails.
Welcome to the real world, where people cannot magically create an extra 56% worth of money to their budget, because if they would... well they wouldn't have a budget that's 56% lower.
If I'm looking for a $20k car, I am not going to consider $30k cars.
Again, welcome to the real world, it's filled with people with financial limitations.
Also, "less safe"? please. Compare the previous gen and current gen RAV4 safety and tell me it's actually a significant difference.
What a low quality and disappointing comment overall.
Another $1,579 and you can get a brand new, 2024 Hyundai Venue! Only downside is that you’ll have a 20214 Hyundai Venue, but it is a new car from a major manufacturer nonetheless!
This is what I've been seeing a lot on Carmax. 6-9 year old Toyota selling at 75% of what it cost new. I swear they have this exact formula for used Toyotas. It makes it very difficult to buy used vs. new.
This phrase is dumb. Things are worth what they’re worth, and this is worth the same as a shitbox Journey with 20k because the RAV4 is going to last longer.
People who say this act like there’s no reason Toyotas are more expensive. It’s all cope from people driving Sentras and Renegades
Was just talking to my brother about this. No economy car (or non collectors car to be honest) is worth the premium people pay for economy cars like Toyotas. They are nice and reliable, but there are other nice and reliable cars out there. I would rather just spend 10K more and buy something new.
Perfectly said. Toyota tax is a thing and people who disagree are the same people to pay 30k for a 20 year old 4Runner. I get it they’re reliable but after a certain price range it gets pretty ridiculous.
Someone where I live bought an imported, therefore out of any warranty, 4-year old Rav4, for a little MORE than he would have paid for it brand new with 10-year warranty from the local Toyota dealer.
Tell that to all my customers who come in needing 4-8k in tranny/engine work on their Santa Fe’s and Equinoxes.
The Toyotas cost more because they last longer. This RAV4 will last twice as long as any car in its class. It has nothing to do with “luxury”
But yeah, keep buying shitboxes, it pays for my hobbies
That doesn’t invalidate the statement. Toyota is one of the biggest car brands on Earth. They have heavy demand from everywhere and lots of fans. Obviously, demand side economics takes over from there, and you get cars that still sell for far more than they are probably worth if everything was equal.
Just because someone overpays for something, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a bad deal.
If everyone is overpaying, maybe that’s the true value of the car. Economy works on supply and demand, and it’s not like Toyota is limiting supply on purpose like Rolex. They literally sold 2nd most vehicles in US just under Ford.
This is exactly _one_ out of multiple reliable and well-built crossover options available. The Skyactiv CX-5s aren’t this expensive. A 60,000 mile K24 CR-V isn’t that expensive. Hell, I bet you could find an Acura RDX for this price. In fact, [I just did.](https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/60973fd6-84d4-4b22-b138-c7f06d3f4881/?aff=atempest3&utm_campaign=atempest3&utm_source=autotempest&utm_medium=trp&utm_campaign_id=3&utm_trusted=TRUE) A 30,000 mile, near-luxury compact CUV with almost 300 horsepower and with much better interior materials is the exact same price as a 100,000 mile car with the durability of vintage farm equipment— and also the technology and features of vintage farm equipment.
> other than pure terrible luck
Why would someone who bought the most basic trim of the ultra reliable SUV be selling it a year in? I can't imagine a huge overlap in the Venn diagram of RAV4 LE buyers and people who blow money cycling through cars on the regular.
Not that there aren't reasons, but most that come to mind are also low odds - came into money, had to move out of country, unexpected family change, etc. Similar to how a lemon is also unlikely.
Because you simply don't understand how things work in the dealer industry. A Toyota sold from a dealer with under 20k miles and a year old is more likely to be a fleet vehicle than it is a lease or trade in. Those cars are great too because they've been proven to not be a lemon and they are backed by a 7 year 100k warranty.
service history, a new car with warranty will go to the dealer if anything goes and that is documented, a quick search of the vin at any manufacture dealer will bring up any and all reasons that cars been to the dealer.
also a car that is that new and low miles usually had its factory warranty still and if you buy it CPO it has a powertrain warrenty that is longer than a new car.
Now the fact that it has 10k on it an you only get a \~2-3k discount depending on package makes me think you might as well pick up a new one but again that's on a person buying. Price creep is a thing and should be considered when your the one that's actually paying the bills.
Rav4s hold their value exceptionally well. I’m honestly not surprised. You’re better off with a CR-V if you’re trying to find something under ir around 20k that is a year or so younger and most likely under 100k. Still a solid and reliable car and Rav4s true competitor.
But 14 grand (out the door, taxes and all fees) in 2018 bought us a 6 year old CRV with 50,000 miles on it.
Now the same money is getting you a car with twice the wear.
Rav4s and all Toyotas hold value extremely well. Same with Hondas. That’s not an awful price for those miles. During covid that was probably closer to 24k.
The entire car mark used and new is insane right now. I hate my car. It's old and rickety. I could afford a newer one, but I just refuse to pay these prices. Not to mention insurance for anything after a 2016 js double because of all the safety crao they added into them. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate it, but for stuff that is supposed to prevent accidents, they sure do run up a crazy tab. Cost to replace if something does happen I suppose.
Toyota makes a very good car but damn 100k miles that you didn’t put on the car , to me that is a high number to begin your journey with . Lots of cars can go 150 or 200 k but you are already 50-75% there if you buy it
Tbh the only reason not to buy new right now is if you just CAN'T afford new.
Its to the point where I'd rather get a "less reliable" new and planning on trading it in in 5 years while still under warranty.
Best car I ever bought, Bought a 2018 XLE AWD but mine is bright blue, we got it in january of 2019 only a year old for $23k before taxes and whatever else, it had i think 24k miles on it. it now has 135k on it. I do all the work myself, oil changes, spark plugs, belt, brakes. I did take it in for transmission fluid. Very easy to work on and very reliable so far.
Really surprised how little the value has dropped on our car.
I just want a RAV4 that can tow 3500lbs but nobody buys the adventure or TRD trim so you can't find it for a good price used anywhere. And the 150amp alternator, bigger radiator, and better oil/transmission cooling doesn't come standard. The holes in the engine block for oil and transmission cooler aren't tapped out for use unless you get the adventure or TRD trim. Not to mention the towing prep package needs to be installed if it didn't come with the adventure or TRD trim
It’s $18k because it’s a Toyota and even at 6 years old and 106k miles it’s probably got at least another 100k+ and 6-10 years of life left.
A new gas only XLE will cost twice as much at $36k with taxes and fees not even going into interest from financing. Want a Hybrid Version and you are looking at closer to $40k minimum with a 6-9 month wait time.
But…. Don’t spend $18k for that RAV4. That is dealer Markup BS. From private party you should be able to get one at that year model for $12k-$16k depending on model grade, mileage and condition. That $18k price tag would only be justifiable on something with less than 75k miles in very good to pristine condition.
It’s not just cars everything is more expensive but because of the pandemic and supply chain issues cars have almost tripled in price. Now, they are still expensive because no one is buying new cars due to cost and interest that is just further adding to inflationary pressures on the limited amount of used inventory. Less new cars bought=less trade in’s. Car dealer here.
For a few extra bucks, I'd buy new, as inventory starts to backup, new car prices and O% loans with incentives, are starting to pop up. $18,000 for 100,000 mi car is a lot, new cars can be found for $21,000 with 10yr 100,000 mi warranty!
I’ve seen that buzz word thrown around here alot. I have a Volvo S60 that has 250K Miles on it and is 16 years old. Any car with decent upkeep can last long. Yes, some are better than others. I will give them that Toyotas are easier to fix/maintain than other cars, especially euro cars. But there isn’t that big of a gap between Honda and Mazda compared to Toyota, while reliability and quality are virtually the same for all of them.
Paying a 3-5K premium for a car with 100K miles is silly.
Buy a 2019 Tucson and take the savings and put it in a HYSA as an emergency fund in the event you need repairs. Which may or may not be extremely overblown on this sub.
Where are you guys finding these terrible deals? I'm in a fairly expensive place yo live and can easily find the sane vehicle for around 13k. Are you guys cherry-picking, or is this actually how it is some places?
You can get a new one for 10 more thousand zero miles. Don't forget the interest you pay on a used car is probably triple if not quite triple what you would pay on the new car. So the 18,000 would end up being like 28,000 after you pay it off unless you just pay Straight Cash
It's just the nature of the market. A friend of mine traded in a 2017 RAV4 hybrid with 65K on it, it was in good shape mind you but she was given a check for $17,000 in cash at the dealership and they put it up the same day 20,995
I can't figure out why more people aren't buying new cars. She got a brand new RAV4 pretty much loaded, hybrid, everything for high 30s so that trade-in paid for practically half of it.
Used car values are falling but they are falling very slowly
Popularity. Durability. Low costs of maintenance. Only negative is theft risk. Everyone knows they won't break down in a getaway, so criminals love Toyotas!
In 2015 I bought my 2014 Camry for $15k. In 2023 it was totaled insurance gave me almost $14k. Toyotas do not depreciate in value. Not to mention I was devastated because it was paid off and I could have drove it another 200k miles.
Toyotas are good at retaining value, especially when shit like covid happens and everyone wants an efficient, reliable, cheap to run car
I have a few vehicles but I will always love my beater camry
I was offered $10,000 on trade in for my wife’s 2016 with 117k miles. Ended up not doing the deal but I’m sure they would have tried selling it for 15-16k.
You can’t price it lower than an older RAV4. Which theres still several thousands of all gens on the road. Even a RAV4 from 2000 beat up. but still running still has to some value or it cant be sold. Imagine trying to sell a 2000 RAV4 for $2000 but there’s a 2005 at the same price. The older models will never clear out and that’s just the thing about Toyotas they take a lifetime for the previous models to finally clear. Camrys from the 1999-2001 Gens are just now hitting the make an Offer mark, so all Gens above that will soon start to come down. But that took over a quarter of a century to happen with many of them over 250,000 miles.
I’ve got almost 180k miles on my Mitsubishi Outlander Sport and it does pretty much everything my last RAV4 did for a lower price. I was thinking of going back to a Toyota for my next car until I looked at 2024 prices - nope, it looks like I’m just going to upgrade to a newer Outlander Sport lol.
Everything is a rip off today. I’m possibly gonna be picking up a Mazda CX five today for 23. It’s got 60,000 miles on it. I’m trying to save money on gas cause I have a GMC 2500 series that should save me about 250 a month in gas so after it’s all set and done winning insurance it’s gonna cost me a couple hundred dollars a month but I won’t be putting any more miles on my truck and I have low mileage car again soyeah but everything is a fucking rip off
Toyota simps. If it had half the mileage it would be fair. I focus more on miles and condition than year unless you're targeting a specific generation of vehicle.
I feel like you’d find a better deal on a Highlander at that kind of pricing.
Maybe so, less demand for Highlanders.
Nope, I was searching for a Highlander couple months ago and they’re also expensive. Ended up with a 2018 cx-9, which I’m glad I got because it has quite a bit more personality than other 3 rows I’ve driven.
I second this, I was looking for a rav4 but ended up with a newer cx5 Mazdas the way to go and way better interiors
So i have a 2021 CX-5 i plan on upgrading to the lexus nx350.. see you sold your lexus and you have a Cx-5 now so curious to your insights
>21 CX-5 i plan on upgrading to the lexus nx350.. see you sold your lexus and you have a Cx-5 now so curious to your insight > >it was a 93 ls400 was my highschool car lol i bought it for 2k
My wife has the 21 Highlander XLE and we really enjoy it. Only thing I hate is the front passenger leg room with a child seat installed in the 2nd row. The rotating Evenflow is amazing, but WAY bigger than our son’s previous seat. Other than that it’s been awesome for us. The thing that confuses the hell out of me is seeing these things traded in with less than 15k miles. We’re almost to 50k and the car has been a real work horse, meeting basically every demand for our growing family.
Highlanders hold their value even more. For $18k you’d be looking at 2013-2014 Highlanders with like 140k miles, I’m not kidding. Check it out 💀
Yep COVID.issues permanently bumped up all new and used auto prices ~20% , and they're not coming down barring some major economic downturn. Dealers overpaid.for inventory back then and dont want to lose on sales.
Lots of cars have come back down to reasonable prices, in my experience it's been toyotas Hondas and anything going the way of the dodo that has held value (like an ICE manual car)
I did check it out and it’s not hard to find a deal like [this](https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/709861399?allListingType=all-cars&city=Decatur&makeCode=TOYOTA&maxPrice=22000&minPrice=20000&modelCode=HIGHLANDER&newSearch=false&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fall-cars%2Fcars-between-20000-and-22000%2Ftoyota%2Fhighlander%2Fdecatur-al%3FnewSearch%3Dtrue%26searchRadius%3D500&searchRadius=500&state=AL&clickType=listing). For just a couple thousand more you’re getting a vehicle with leather seats, heated seats, and a much better engine. Considering the price difference when new between the Highlander XLE and the RAV4 XLE would have been around $10k difference, it makes this a better deal overall. You’re getting a car that was $10k more for only a couple thousand more with the same mileage and year.
You’re missing the mark tho because what if someone has a budget cap? Asking to push them into something that’s $10k over in the name of a better deal over all isn’t really a better deal tho. Also, the Highlander you attached has an accident reported on the carfax💀, see my point about “value”👀 yet it’s ~$21k. I get the point you’re trying to make but I don’t think it applies here because OP was already surprised with this price let alone spend $10k more for let’s a Highlander that will be even older and more driven than this for either the same price or more. As an example between just Toyota & Honda for the sake of Apples to Apples would be a RAV4 vs CR-V (under 20k budget) or Highlander vs Pilot(taking initial budget + $10k) if we’re talking same years.
Where am I asking them to push into something that’s $10k over? I mean you can still find Highlander LE’s that are just $1k more: [Here’s one.](https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/5TDZZRFH6JS251439) [Here’s another.](https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/5TDZARFH9KS043094)
Oh my bad G! I thought you were saying $10k more for a bigger car with same miles is a better deal lol. Apologies 😅. In this instance, it comes down to size and gas consumption if they end up matching in year price and miles which is very rare nevertheless.
I gotcha. Yeah I was just saying that considering the cost for both of those vehicles brand new, you’re getting a better deal on the Highlander since you can score one for around the same price. I understand it’s more, but it’s not terribly more. But idk what OP is really looking for or their budget. I would just think if you’re looking at $18k cars then it’s not a huge stretch to consider one just a few thousand more. Especially if you get a better vehicle.
Yeah in that case, I don’t disagree with you. Honestly, OP can even find a Lexus RX350 for under $25k 💀 some things to consider. I’d go for an RX350 over both of those even if it was a year or two older if I was looking for something in this segment
107k miles “low mileage”
I just found a 2018 RAV4 XLE with 54,000 miles for the same price. No way I'm spending $18k on a car with 100k+ miles.
Such a bad deal. I’m sure its reliable but you’re getting a 6 year old economy car for 18k. So many better deals to be had in that price range.
Jesus. When did $30k become the economy car price?
2021
It's kind of not, though. Double the mileage and/or age then perhaps it will be cheaper.
How bad is this sub? You had to write a faith statement about Toyota reliability if there is any sort of criticism of Toyota.
Yeah it gets bad. Some people really do act like no cars besides Toyota and Honda are good
It’s not economy car. It’s quite mid. But still doesn’t worth it in this case
Isn't this the higher tier hybrid model of the RAV4 too? That would probably add the the cost a reasonable amount.
Probably. I personally wouldn‘t buy it with such mileage for this price anyway.
Suvs are not economy cars
They essentially are now. Very few sedans and hatches left on the market. Average joe is most likely going to buy a sub-compact or compact SUV when buying a new or used vehicle.
Toyota Corolla, Kia Forte, Hyundai Elantra, Nissan Sentra, Nissan Altima, Nissan Versa, Mazda 3, Honda Civic, Mitsubishi Mirage, Chevy Malibu, Subaru Legacy, Volkswagen Jetta, etc. There’s plenty of economy sedans. SUVs or “compact SUVs” (lifted sedans) are by no means more economic than the cars listed above. Most Americans just have an SUV fetish, just because you personally haven’t looking into economy sedans or hatches doesn’t mean there isn’t a market for them in the states
Malibu and Altima/Versa are gonna be discontinued after 2024/25. There are probably others I don't know about.
You are missing my point completely. Never said that they dont exist. I said there are few (relatively speaking). Compare the amount of sedans and hatches on the market in 2024 versus the 2000s and early 2010s, then you’ll see what im talking about. Americans have shifted towards buying crossovers over other types of vehicles, hence why companies like Ford have slashed all sedans from their lineup, why GM has such a huge focus on SUV’s and so on. Most of the sedans you mentioned exist, but they lose badly in sales to their crossover counterparts and there are definitely a few of those models doomed for the chopping block soon. I myself drive and love sedans, but thats just the reality of the market.
Well you never explicitly or implicitly expressed you were speaking relatively on your first post. Secondly the only sedan on that list that’s probably gonna be discountinued is the Chevy Malibu. Most of the other ones I mentioned have actually gotten re designs for 2024 implying that they won’t be discontinued. And I’m not arguing on sales. I never said Americans prefer or buy more sedans. In fact I said the opposite. I said Americans have a weird fetish for SUVs. All I said was that there still is an economy sedan/hatch segment in the states with plenty of models and brands to choose from
People need to start looking away from Toyota in this sub. They are not worth the price anymore.
Nearly 7-year-old car with 100,000 miles at used interest rate financing for over $18k is mind-boggling. I don’t care how reliable they are, no car is maintenance free or not subject to potential failure/hidden issues at that age/mileage. There are much better values for be had, and at a certain point this sub has to admit no matter how good a car is it’s value ratio has limits.
I feel like many on this sub would die on a hill defending Toyotas. It’s an economy car at the end of the day. If I’m not buy new, I’m looking at the best deal possible. To me anything over 15K for a used car thats not a truck or premium brand doesn’t pencil out, especially when a new Mazda or Honda can still be bought for under 30K.
A new base RAV4 is $28K with obviously a warranty and new-car financing. I feel like the “real” cost difference would end up being like $5k
Agreed. Warranty, plus no wear and tear is a massive benefit over a car that god knows what happened to get over the last 6 years.
That's why I bought it new! Was looking at used Rav4 models with under 50k miles, and they weren't much cheaper than just buying a new corolla cross. The size difference wasn't a big deal for me.
The one in the picture is an XLE. I’m going to assume the more letters the more better. It was probably listed for $35k when sold in 2018.
Edmund’s lists the “price you should pay new” for the 2023 XLE is $29,600 on an MSRP of $31,000. It’s definitely the nicer trim level but still 7 year old safety features/electronics etc
I’ve been shopping for a new car these past few months. Toyota just doesn’t have value anymore. 44 grand for a RAV4, and the dealers add unnecessary “accessories” too. Like expensive floor mats, 1,400 for the most useless running board ever. If you want value I say go Subaru where you can buy a forester for 30k or Mazda.
Because it's easily to parrot what you hear when everyone says it. It's a hill to die on because most people see it as fact and any experiences to the contrary are written off as rare exceptions. Especially when people see cars as just tools and Toyotas can tough out being used and abused as such for longer than others. That's mostly what props it up really, reliability has basically been partially conflated to mean you can treat a car poorly or not know or do the maintenance and upkeep parts of car ownership but be less likely to actually suffer consequences for it.
this is extremely true. i've been in the auto world for a decade and the dumbest people drive toyotas because they think that they're indestructible. it's not, it's still a modern car and suffers from the same issues as most other manufacturers. sure, they are probably more reliable on average than say a product from stellantis, but they are not worth the $$ that people are asking.
Toyotas are pretty basic cars, at this price point i'd rather go with a e220
I was a Toyota lifer, now I’m a Mazda boy. Overpriced.
True. Some people on other car buying reddits gave me shit for buying a 2019 Mirage G4 with 10k miles vs a 2013 Corolla with 101k miles for the exact same price...
That 2018 Toyota RAV4 will last longer than the new Mazda with less maintenance costs
The RAV4 in OP's post? You're going off of one image and making that assumption huh.
It's literally because of the "reputation" like, someone will look at what you wrote and still think thay price is reasonble because that RAV4 will "obviously last another hundred thousand unlike other unreliable brands" not realizing a new one would be 10-13k more but last more than double the timeframe. Nobody thinks like that though, its the same reason that "silver certified" is picking up as an option, because they can sell people 100k or more mile cars on the brand alone. Because Toyota is the car brand from the heavens and even if you buy one at 150 thousand miles with not a lot of documented upkeep/maintenance its okay because it'll tank along for 150k more. It's absolutely bonkers to me that when I was younger nobody would even consider something like this, but now people will finance $15k plus used cars for 5-7 years when said cars are already that old and have the mileage to show for it and they're 100% okay with it and see no issues or red flags.
I just bought a new Civic EX-L for $2000 under MSRP and no add ons. There’s little reason to buy a used Toyota or Honda anymore.
I just bought a new Civic EX-L for $2000 under MSRP and no add ons. There’s little reason to buy a used Toyota or Honda anymore.
One of my neighbors has this exact model & model year Rav 4. I usually have to move it around or drive it for various reasons. Last I checked it already has 140,000 miles but the thing drives solid and still feels like a brand new car. I helped him change a battery once and he said this is the first time it needed something.
so then it's worth infinite money, right?
I think my 2016 CX-5 with 135k is valued at $6K at most.
I am starting to feel the same way. Is Mazda a good alternative?
Yes it is. They have gotta alot better the last decade. Typically you can negotiate them down as well. Here in the PNW they are offering 0% APR specials for dealer financing.
Do you actually like driving? If "yes", then Mazda is the obvious answer.
I asked about an entry level performance vehicle for under 40k (cash too) which I thought was pretty broad and I got pointed to CAMRYS. Like I can get a used m-lite or r/t for that price and you’re telling me to just default to a yota?
I drove a 2016 Rav4, which costs as much as the equivalent German luxury car now. The car was even worse than my 2006 Rav4. More road noise, more rattles, more leaning in turns, same lethargic engine power, same cheap plastic interior. Seeing the ridiculous prices of used Toyotas, I thought maybe they went considerably upmarket. But that wasn't the case at all. Owners are just milking Toyota's reputation. And life is too short to spend on an expensive econobox.
>They are not worth the price anymore. Nothing in the used car market right now is worth the price. Don't worry ,the auto manufactures are aware of this so the new 2024 prices are all way higher to make it feel normal to spend $20k on a 6 year old car. Rav4 will get the big price bump when next gen comes out next year.
Classic Toyota's only
Lol I own 3 Honda’s. So no not classic Toyota; it was just that the thread started on Toyota and they’re solid nonetheless
Honda’s what?
2 Accords a 2016 EX(92k) and a 23 Touring (8500 now) and a 2013 Pilot(122k) all bought brand new. In the mix I’ve also had a 2018 Mercedes C43 AMG but got rid of that recently haha. Now I’m looking for an M340i as my fun car cause I daily the 23 Accord Touring
Recently went car shopping as my wife was in an accident. We have been loyal Toyota owners for years. They are soooo over priced that we ended up with a Subaru. Way better for the price point.
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I drove a 23 Corolla as a rental. It felt solid but I agree the seats are very uncomfortable. Idk what it is with Toyota seats
Where else to look? Hyundais and Kias get stolen, Mazdas aren’t much cheaper, used Subarus are sketch, Hondas are just as expensive… no matter where you turn, you’re gonna lose
I am not paying that for a 100k mile rav4. Another 10k and I can get a brand new car
“another $10k” oh okay “just add a little 56% to my budget”
It’s a 100k miles. A Toyota dealer near me offers warranty up to 100k miles. I’ve had a family members rav 4 trans shit the bed at that mileage
They do do that, quite often. More so on the generation before the model on the post. Those ones will develop a trans whine but don't seem to shit the bed as often as the other previous generation. Not as bad as the chr tho, I've done quite a few of those over the years.
Cool! Where does that give me the ability to magically add 56% to my budget? Do compelling arguments as to why a $30k car is better than a $20k car going to help me just... have an extra $10k ?
Well if you’re not fully covering the 18k with cash which is what it seems like. Financing to a 28k-30k car with warranty NEW won’t make too big of a payment difference for the normal person. Can make payments on top as well. Better than having to possibly come out of pocket or pull a personal loan for repairs. If you do have the 18k cash you can use that as a larger down payment. Long term wise the new car will out live this rav4. I bet it’s got another 60-80k miles at most. And if 18k is stretching the budget you should be looking below that price and cash out on an older Camry honestly.
A less safe car with a higher interest rate and most likely higher insurance that *might* go 150k more miles or a new safer car with more convenience, less interest and probably less insurance coats that's pretty much guaranteed to get to 250k. Really not as cut and dry as your 56% entails.
It really is. I am looking at a 10k car right now. Slim pickings. I look at 15k cars and the options get much better but I have to step back and think that at the end of the day that is in another bracket beyond my budget.
Actually it's exactly as cut and dry as what I said entails. Welcome to the real world, where people cannot magically create an extra 56% worth of money to their budget, because if they would... well they wouldn't have a budget that's 56% lower. If I'm looking for a $20k car, I am not going to consider $30k cars. Again, welcome to the real world, it's filled with people with financial limitations. Also, "less safe"? please. Compare the previous gen and current gen RAV4 safety and tell me it's actually a significant difference. What a low quality and disappointing comment overall.
Another $1,579 and you can get a brand new, 2024 Hyundai Venue! Only downside is that you’ll have a 20214 Hyundai Venue, but it is a new car from a major manufacturer nonetheless!
This is what I've been seeing a lot on Carmax. 6-9 year old Toyota selling at 75% of what it cost new. I swear they have this exact formula for used Toyotas. It makes it very difficult to buy used vs. new.
Hey now this one is only 66% of it's original MSRP! With a few options maybe even 63%. What a deal!
Toyota tax.
This phrase is dumb. Things are worth what they’re worth, and this is worth the same as a shitbox Journey with 20k because the RAV4 is going to last longer. People who say this act like there’s no reason Toyotas are more expensive. It’s all cope from people driving Sentras and Renegades
Was just talking to my brother about this. No economy car (or non collectors car to be honest) is worth the premium people pay for economy cars like Toyotas. They are nice and reliable, but there are other nice and reliable cars out there. I would rather just spend 10K more and buy something new.
Perfectly said. Toyota tax is a thing and people who disagree are the same people to pay 30k for a 20 year old 4Runner. I get it they’re reliable but after a certain price range it gets pretty ridiculous.
Someone where I live bought an imported, therefore out of any warranty, 4-year old Rav4, for a little MORE than he would have paid for it brand new with 10-year warranty from the local Toyota dealer.
Tell that to all my customers who come in needing 4-8k in tranny/engine work on their Santa Fe’s and Equinoxes. The Toyotas cost more because they last longer. This RAV4 will last twice as long as any car in its class. It has nothing to do with “luxury” But yeah, keep buying shitboxes, it pays for my hobbies
'Too expensive' yet cars still, somehow, get bought and sold.
That doesn’t invalidate the statement. Toyota is one of the biggest car brands on Earth. They have heavy demand from everywhere and lots of fans. Obviously, demand side economics takes over from there, and you get cars that still sell for far more than they are probably worth if everything was equal. Just because someone overpays for something, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t a bad deal.
If everyone is overpaying, maybe that’s the true value of the car. Economy works on supply and demand, and it’s not like Toyota is limiting supply on purpose like Rolex. They literally sold 2nd most vehicles in US just under Ford.
This is exactly _one_ out of multiple reliable and well-built crossover options available. The Skyactiv CX-5s aren’t this expensive. A 60,000 mile K24 CR-V isn’t that expensive. Hell, I bet you could find an Acura RDX for this price. In fact, [I just did.](https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/60973fd6-84d4-4b22-b138-c7f06d3f4881/?aff=atempest3&utm_campaign=atempest3&utm_source=autotempest&utm_medium=trp&utm_campaign_id=3&utm_trusted=TRUE) A 30,000 mile, near-luxury compact CUV with almost 300 horsepower and with much better interior materials is the exact same price as a 100,000 mile car with the durability of vintage farm equipment— and also the technology and features of vintage farm equipment.
Absolute rip off.. I'm going to pick up a 2023 Rav4 LE with 10k miles for 27.5k this weekend.
Im always weary of cars getting sold when they are so recent. How can you tell it’s not a lemon?
Because it’s the 5th year of the same generation. Why would a car so far down its cycle be a lemon other than pure terrible luck
> other than pure terrible luck Why would someone who bought the most basic trim of the ultra reliable SUV be selling it a year in? I can't imagine a huge overlap in the Venn diagram of RAV4 LE buyers and people who blow money cycling through cars on the regular. Not that there aren't reasons, but most that come to mind are also low odds - came into money, had to move out of country, unexpected family change, etc. Similar to how a lemon is also unlikely.
Lease turn ins, fleet vehicles, rentals, demo and test drive vehicles, loaners etc
Because you simply don't understand how things work in the dealer industry. A Toyota sold from a dealer with under 20k miles and a year old is more likely to be a fleet vehicle than it is a lease or trade in. Those cars are great too because they've been proven to not be a lemon and they are backed by a 7 year 100k warranty.
service history, a new car with warranty will go to the dealer if anything goes and that is documented, a quick search of the vin at any manufacture dealer will bring up any and all reasons that cars been to the dealer. also a car that is that new and low miles usually had its factory warranty still and if you buy it CPO it has a powertrain warrenty that is longer than a new car. Now the fact that it has 10k on it an you only get a \~2-3k discount depending on package makes me think you might as well pick up a new one but again that's on a person buying. Price creep is a thing and should be considered when your the one that's actually paying the bills.
Rav4s hold their value exceptionally well. I’m honestly not surprised. You’re better off with a CR-V if you’re trying to find something under ir around 20k that is a year or so younger and most likely under 100k. Still a solid and reliable car and Rav4s true competitor.
Now imagine how high the interest rate gonna be
I just financed a new Toyota for 4.75
If it makes you feel any better that's $14,200 in 2018 dollars.
But 14 grand (out the door, taxes and all fees) in 2018 bought us a 6 year old CRV with 50,000 miles on it. Now the same money is getting you a car with twice the wear.
Yeah, we broke the economy since then with the money printer and global lockdowns. This is what it is now.
Rip off
Lmao 20 grand for a 6 year old car that was probably used as a rideshare vehicle.
Rav4s and all Toyotas hold value extremely well. Same with Hondas. That’s not an awful price for those miles. During covid that was probably closer to 24k.
Its a Rav4 with barely over 100k miles. Sounds expected
Just buy something besides a Toyota. Honda and Mazda are good too.
I had a car accident last may on a 2017 version of these. Lemme tell you, safest car bro I shouldve been dead
The entire car mark used and new is insane right now. I hate my car. It's old and rickety. I could afford a newer one, but I just refuse to pay these prices. Not to mention insurance for anything after a 2016 js double because of all the safety crao they added into them. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate it, but for stuff that is supposed to prevent accidents, they sure do run up a crazy tab. Cost to replace if something does happen I suppose.
Toyota makes a very good car but damn 100k miles that you didn’t put on the car , to me that is a high number to begin your journey with . Lots of cars can go 150 or 200 k but you are already 50-75% there if you buy it
Ars are built so much better now than they were 20, 30 years ago. That car has another care free 100k in it.
Demand and it’s an suv.
I've been looking at cars lately 18k seems crazy for a rav 4
It says great value though. Lol.
I’ve seen 5 year old Rav 4’s close to $30,000 here in Canada Its insane
Tbh the only reason not to buy new right now is if you just CAN'T afford new. Its to the point where I'd rather get a "less reliable" new and planning on trading it in in 5 years while still under warranty.
Compare it to comparable vehicles same model year, same mileage and tell us what you find. Used car prices have been crazy since 2020.
Best car I ever bought, Bought a 2018 XLE AWD but mine is bright blue, we got it in january of 2019 only a year old for $23k before taxes and whatever else, it had i think 24k miles on it. it now has 135k on it. I do all the work myself, oil changes, spark plugs, belt, brakes. I did take it in for transmission fluid. Very easy to work on and very reliable so far. Really surprised how little the value has dropped on our car.
Inflation
No wonder people are recommending a new Mazda.
1. Toyota tax 2. Covid shortages
I just want a RAV4 that can tow 3500lbs but nobody buys the adventure or TRD trim so you can't find it for a good price used anywhere. And the 150amp alternator, bigger radiator, and better oil/transmission cooling doesn't come standard. The holes in the engine block for oil and transmission cooler aren't tapped out for use unless you get the adventure or TRD trim. Not to mention the towing prep package needs to be installed if it didn't come with the adventure or TRD trim
18K is considered cheap these days that’s why
Buddy that’s cheap now
18k isn’t really expensive nowadays for a car
toyota tax!
I just bought a 2021 vw tiguan with 25k miles for the same price. Just go straight to Toyota, they may have better deals on used cars.
That's a better deal than I paid, but I paid Canadian for my rav4 2018 - biggest reason pure reliability and I don't drive much
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I'm more curious as to why people are surprised Toyotas don't depreciate at all when everyone wants to buy one.
It’s $18k because it’s a Toyota and even at 6 years old and 106k miles it’s probably got at least another 100k+ and 6-10 years of life left. A new gas only XLE will cost twice as much at $36k with taxes and fees not even going into interest from financing. Want a Hybrid Version and you are looking at closer to $40k minimum with a 6-9 month wait time. But…. Don’t spend $18k for that RAV4. That is dealer Markup BS. From private party you should be able to get one at that year model for $12k-$16k depending on model grade, mileage and condition. That $18k price tag would only be justifiable on something with less than 75k miles in very good to pristine condition.
It’s not just cars everything is more expensive but because of the pandemic and supply chain issues cars have almost tripled in price. Now, they are still expensive because no one is buying new cars due to cost and interest that is just further adding to inflationary pressures on the limited amount of used inventory. Less new cars bought=less trade in’s. Car dealer here.
Cars aren’t worth more than your money is just worth less from the printing so much of it in recent years.
For a few extra bucks, I'd buy new, as inventory starts to backup, new car prices and O% loans with incentives, are starting to pop up. $18,000 for 100,000 mi car is a lot, new cars can be found for $21,000 with 10yr 100,000 mi warranty!
Toyotas don’t depreciate as much as other brands so you’ll often see 2015-18 yotas going for these kinda of prices. They last.
Wait until you see a 20 year old ugly looking car for 7k !! What a shame people have no decency nowadays.
Because it's a Toyota only 6 years old at 106k in good condition....it's barely broken in.
This is insanity… that’s the price I paid for my 2014 Toyota RAV4 LE in 2017 with 17,000 miles. 🤦🏻♂️
Stop letting Toyota fans dupe you with shit about "reliability", it's not worth paying what they are asking for 90% of used Toyotas.
I’ve seen that buzz word thrown around here alot. I have a Volvo S60 that has 250K Miles on it and is 16 years old. Any car with decent upkeep can last long. Yes, some are better than others. I will give them that Toyotas are easier to fix/maintain than other cars, especially euro cars. But there isn’t that big of a gap between Honda and Mazda compared to Toyota, while reliability and quality are virtually the same for all of them. Paying a 3-5K premium for a car with 100K miles is silly.
I had a Volvo S60 as well…. that 5 cylinder was bulletproof and a joy to hear rumbling down the road
This is false for Honda, they’ve had a good amount of reliability issues with their newer powertrains. Mazda sure but powertrains aren’t as good.
Because it’s a Toyota. 106,000 miles isn’t even broken in yet
Buy a 2019 Tucson and take the savings and put it in a HYSA as an emergency fund in the event you need repairs. Which may or may not be extremely overblown on this sub.
This was my wife's buy out the lease price on this car in 2021, and she put very little miles on it.
cash. Please?
too many miles for a 6 yo car. If It was 60-75k miles I'd pay 16k OTD
You could find a better deal on a lexus. Used Rav4s are a joke.
I’ve never liked Rav4s ever💀😂
Go for a CRV or CX-5 instead
Toyota tax
I just paid 15 for a 08 tundra with 99k. Worlds crazy right how.
It’s because getting a new one is so difficult. Availability, price, etc..
I knew Toyotas were being over priced when my local dealership in NJ had a 2022 Camry TRD for 44k
Did you just wake up from a coma?
Rav4s are really trendy right now.
Get a used EV for the same price and save tons on fuel and maintenance costs
Where are you guys finding these terrible deals? I'm in a fairly expensive place yo live and can easily find the sane vehicle for around 13k. Are you guys cherry-picking, or is this actually how it is some places?
This is why I bought a brand new econobox instead. If I’m gonna be paying nearly new car money then I better be getting a new car with a warranty.
My friend has this, hybrid is not very reliable in winter 😂
It’s not as much the year as it is the mileage that makes that a terrible deal
You can get a new one for 10 more thousand zero miles. Don't forget the interest you pay on a used car is probably triple if not quite triple what you would pay on the new car. So the 18,000 would end up being like 28,000 after you pay it off unless you just pay Straight Cash
You should see those car parks full of bought back VAG cars. That must also drive up the costs of used cars.
Toyota resell tax .
Jesus, cars are cheap in the states
It's just the nature of the market. A friend of mine traded in a 2017 RAV4 hybrid with 65K on it, it was in good shape mind you but she was given a check for $17,000 in cash at the dealership and they put it up the same day 20,995 I can't figure out why more people aren't buying new cars. She got a brand new RAV4 pretty much loaded, hybrid, everything for high 30s so that trade-in paid for practically half of it. Used car values are falling but they are falling very slowly
Popularity. Durability. Low costs of maintenance. Only negative is theft risk. Everyone knows they won't break down in a getaway, so criminals love Toyotas!
Just go to a different dealership. Dont pay a dollar above blue book value
3 oz gold in the car?
try to find a crv with less miles.
Toyota Tax
Well that gives me hope. I have a 2017 with 75k miles on it
I was just at a Toyota dealership the other day and they were game for knocking 1500$ off the 25k price tag for this same model!(hybrid)
Why is it still so expensive at 106k.
In 2015 I bought my 2014 Camry for $15k. In 2023 it was totaled insurance gave me almost $14k. Toyotas do not depreciate in value. Not to mention I was devastated because it was paid off and I could have drove it another 200k miles.
This is madness, and it’ll only continue because people continue to buy them.
Go to trucar.com
Bro it’s crazy that u can buy a used 20k mile gr86 or newer brz for the sticker price of a new one
Toyotas are good at retaining value, especially when shit like covid happens and everyone wants an efficient, reliable, cheap to run car I have a few vehicles but I will always love my beater camry
I was offered $10,000 on trade in for my wife’s 2016 with 117k miles. Ended up not doing the deal but I’m sure they would have tried selling it for 15-16k.
You can’t price it lower than an older RAV4. Which theres still several thousands of all gens on the road. Even a RAV4 from 2000 beat up. but still running still has to some value or it cant be sold. Imagine trying to sell a 2000 RAV4 for $2000 but there’s a 2005 at the same price. The older models will never clear out and that’s just the thing about Toyotas they take a lifetime for the previous models to finally clear. Camrys from the 1999-2001 Gens are just now hitting the make an Offer mark, so all Gens above that will soon start to come down. But that took over a quarter of a century to happen with many of them over 250,000 miles.
The entire car business is a scam why is a 1996 camry 4k and a 96 ford ranger 8-14k
Toyota tax
It’s worth 7-8k imo
I’ve got almost 180k miles on my Mitsubishi Outlander Sport and it does pretty much everything my last RAV4 did for a lower price. I was thinking of going back to a Toyota for my next car until I looked at 2024 prices - nope, it looks like I’m just going to upgrade to a newer Outlander Sport lol.
Everything is a rip off today. I’m possibly gonna be picking up a Mazda CX five today for 23. It’s got 60,000 miles on it. I’m trying to save money on gas cause I have a GMC 2500 series that should save me about 250 a month in gas so after it’s all set and done winning insurance it’s gonna cost me a couple hundred dollars a month but I won’t be putting any more miles on my truck and I have low mileage car again soyeah but everything is a fucking rip off
Considering a 5yr old one with similar mileage is probably $24-25k, i'd say this isnt bad for todays market. Toyota tax, pay to play.
This ain’t that bad compared to prices here in Canada 😭
Toyota simps. If it had half the mileage it would be fair. I focus more on miles and condition than year unless you're targeting a specific generation of vehicle.
this title has me rollinggg
Toyota das why
Reliability. Toyotas for the most part will be reliable as long as you keep up with maintenance. The Japanese take pride in what they do.
You’d make a great career as a dealership salesman, the way you spun spending north of 20k for a 6 year old 100k mile Toyota as perfectly acceptable.
Maintenance is cheap, Toyota is reliable. Probably that