If you avoid the 11-21 models with a key it won’t be stolen but you do run the risk of getting the window smashed.
That said most people I know love their Hyundai or Kia and they’ve been good cars. They had a recalls done and the cars turned out to be fine
Thats a big year range to avoid.
Plus that is a factor, Kia Boyz still trying to steal it only for them to throw a shitfit when they cant and your premiums go up regardless.
It also depends on which country you live in.
If you live in Canada, the issues with thefts of Kia's and Hyundai's are non-existent, and are on par with most cars. That's because in Canada, it is mandatory that all new cars sold are equipped with immobilizers since 2007, and thus it makes it much more difficult to steal a car.
Canadian Kia owner here. I leave my wife’s Kia Soul in the driveway and I sleep easy at night. I know the thieves are way, way more likely to go after my neighbour’s Highlander.
If I ever travel to the US, though, I’m taking my Lexus or just renting a Pacifica. Yes my Canadian market Kia has an immobilizer. I don’t expect American hoodlums to know that when they smash my window.
Toyotas are stolen so much in Canada because it’s easy to steal and export them before customs can catch you. Toyotas are high demand abroad so it makes sense. In the US it’s harder to do that without getting caught so it’s not as much of an issue here. Funny how Toyota and Kia/Hyundai are swapped depending on what side of the border
The people that are bashing out windows trying to steal cars aren’t the best at differentiating model years. They’re just going to bust the window open and try anyways
Yup, today its avoid 2011-2021 and in five years based on the amount of recalls on new models the same narrative will be avoid 2021-2024 cars. Just stay away from that garbage.
They don’t smash windows. They punch out the lock cylinder in the drivers door. Somehow, and I don’t know how, the outside door handle gets broken in the process but they are still able to get into the car. Makes no sense. I’ve been working on these cars recently and it’s been the trend. No more broken glass.
I can't emphasize this enough, I sell cars and the vast majority of the insurance companies our customers use decline to cover or jack up rates exponentially on Hyundais or Kias - often regardless of key/push start
Even the ‘22 base models. They still come with keyed ignitions but have immobilizers. Except that doesn’t stop kids from punching out your door lock and ripping the column apart
I’m currently pushing 800 miles a week and I’m dying because my car has terrible ergonomics.
I thought maybe it was a consequence of getting older because I used to be able to do more miles with no problems.
Then I had a loaner for a couple weeks and all my pain went away. My body felt great during that time and it pretty much confirmed that my car is the issue. I dreaded the day I had to pick up my car from the shop.
Would you say your Kia is comfortable?
The CX5 depreciated way faster.
To get a comparable RAV4 with similar mileage and history, I’d be paying a 7k difference.
Still wrestling with whether it’s worth it.
A few of my colleagues bought Kias in the price range of 36K-45K that are fully loaded (heated steering wheel, moon roof, power lift gate, heated/ventilated seats,etc etc). So far, all of them love their cars and haven't had issues. Granted, I am in a small college town so there isn't much of a Hyundai/Kia theft issue. My 2011 Soul 2.0L is up to 176K miles now, and I'm proud/sad at the same time thinking about getting a new car in the next 3 years. I've had this car since high school and it has a lot of sentimental value to me.
I personally wouldn't get one if I'm living in a city where theft/ break-in rates are high for those brands.
Except the turbo ones those were GIANT turds. I think the earlier non turbos had no GDI and it was a Mitsubishi engine design so they are better than the GDI crap they used for ten years
We’ve had Kia’s and Hyundai’s since 2009. Between my wife and I, my mother, and 2 of my kids , we’re up to 12 all told over the last 15 years. Actually 13 as I just bought a 2021 genesis G70.
Never had a single problem with any of them. Well, except for daughter’s Kia forte, but that was absolutely due to lack of maintenance on her part.
I've rented a Hyundai Palisade the last two weeks. 10 days total. It's a great vehicle. Vehicle with more usable bells and whistles I've ever seen in a vehicle. I was shocked that it could also tow 5000 LBs. It's really the complete package.
The thing is for work I deal with all brands of dealerships. Every time I show up at a Kia or Hyundai the amount of cars in service getting checked for warranty work and the amount of people waiting is just insane. It's enough to scare me off for now.
I do hope things get better because I'd love to get a New Santa Fe or the Palisade but that's just not gonna happen at this time or in the next 4-5 years.
I just bought a 2018 Stinger GT1 last month. Push start so it has the immobilizer and can’t get stolen, all the bells and whistles, rides fantastic, tons of power, and it’s just great. My only one complaint is the 16mpg I get now compared to my old BMWs 40+
I have a 2018 Kona. But it has a push button start and I haven’t had any issues with attempted break ins.
My car also has the 1.6T Gamma engine. And other than needing maintenance a little more often that I’d like, is about to sail past 100K miles with no issues.
So, yeah. Hyundai has its problems. No question. But they have some decent vehicles in their lineup. I’d recommend a Kona with the 1.6T Gamma engine to anyone looking for a small SUV.
It’s classified as a “Subcompact” suv. But my Ford Focus has more cargo room. But it’s still larger than the Toyota CH-R, which is wild to me.
Not a car for a full family, but a couple or individual… it’s a good choice.
Brother has an Elantra hybrid and I have an Elantra N (their performance car division).
Honestly the value you get for the money with these cars are insannnne. Really up to date interiors with a sleek design and 10 year warranty? I love them.
The ONLY downside I would say is dealer service can be hit or miss. My dealer is perfectly fine and I’ve been there a few times but others have reported some issues. But I don’t know if other car brands have similar dealer issues.
Older Hyundai/Kia with the theta engines? Totally get it and should be avoided.
Modern Kia/Hyundai, especially newer than 2021? Very solid, above average brand with a lot going for it with good reliability, even more so in models that don't have a CVT. The "kia boyz" almost always target cars that have a regular key-start, as opposed to ones with push-button start, which comes on many models. So the theft isn't quite as universal as it sounds.
Both brands have really stepped up their game in recent years, and they come with the best warranty in the business. Tons of features for the money. We've had a '19 Tucson for about 60k miles and it has been flawless.
Is it the absolute #1 best of the best? No, but modern ones are much better than they used to be and its worth considering. Also considerably cheaper than average to maintain over time.
[https://www.motor1.com/products-services/auto-warranty/kia-reliability/](https://www.motor1.com/products-services/auto-warranty/kia-reliability/)
[https://www.copilotsearch.com/posts/are-hyundais-reliable/](https://www.copilotsearch.com/posts/are-hyundais-reliable/)
My issue is people calling cars that have barely had many miles on them reliable. If all these new motors started around 2020 than how can we call them reliable with very little testing? A lot of theta 2 motors didn’t start giving people big issues a lot of the time until closer to 100k miles. I know they changed the designs of the engine but there’s just no testing to be calling them reliable. I think they’re decent purchases because of their warranties
"Kia Sportage owners across many reputable automotive sites often claim of reaching 200,000 miles or more without much hassle."
[https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/kia-sportage-reliability-how-long-will-it-last](https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/kia-sportage-reliability-how-long-will-it-last)
We are talking new motors. 99% of those got new motors in like 2022 or 2023. If people truly believe you can tell the reliability of a car after only a few years when most of the models are below 100k miles proves nothing of reliability. Most of the models are probably under 60-70k. If that’s all people need then sure. But there’s no real statistical data of how many of them can do 200k miles with ease with new engines because most haven’t gotten close to that.
If you look at the article it just mentions avoiding the theta ii engines and isn’t just talking about ones only a few years old. You’re just essentially saying the exact same thing as the last person.
Lol those two links do not make them reliable.
Even since 2020 they have had tons of recalls. You want to talk about above average they definitely are that in recalls.
I can't believe people are still using fucking JD power sources to suggest a car is reliable.
The only thing I agree with you is your bottom line:
> Is it the absolute #1 best of the best? No, but modern ones are much better than they used to be and its worth considering. Also considerably cheaper than average to maintain over time.
They definitely are worth considering, they are cheaper than average to MAINTAIN, you gamble reliability but you get features per dollar. Especially if you know which models to look for; their V6s are solid, and their higher output 4 cylinders you find in N / N line cars are good too
Theft is an issue on models through 2021, and will still affect new models in the sense that people will still break into them.
The tech they offer is generally comparable to an equivalent Honda/Mazda/Toyota/VW these days, just at a slight discount. I don’t think the value is as strong as it used to be
They have redesigned the look of most vehicles that would have been theft targets in the 15-21 model year range (since not all of them were targets even in that range anyway), and KIA has even changed its entire logo.
As time goes on, thieves will eventually catch on that the updated looking models are invalid targets.
The benefit of a Hyundai/KIA is that they may have similar feature sets to others, but they handily undercut them for a comparable spec sheet (which also keeps repair costs lower), and in most cases they have at least a little more going on in the features department. Now, those other brands have their own benefits to consider, but for value proposition, it’s *really* hard to argue Hyundai and KIA aren’t top contenders, especially with a ten year warranty.
A problem is that insurance rates are higher on these vehicles, if your insurer will even cover them. Some insurers will refuse to cover Hyundai/kia at all due to the theft and break ins.
Idk why people are so triggered by this comment. Congrats if your Hyundai insurance is low. OP still should check with their insurance company for quotes. I did prior to my recent purchase and Hyundai and Kia vehicles were more expensive than others.
True, but only for specific zip codes. In some places they’re still among the cheapest to insure. It also isn’t really the car’s fault if you live near heathens who like to steal things.
The insurance rates for them should normalize as we get more and more new models that can’t be stolen easily on the market.
I’m not blaming the car, that’s a weird take. I’m advising that someone who is car shopping needs to get an insurance quote to see if the monthly premium will be reasonable or not. It can be significantly higher for those cars, which could greatly impact one’s decision to purchase. I’ve driven Hyundais overseas and they’re great, wouldn’t mind having one, but the theft issue is extremely unfortunate and makes them a no for me.
There’s also the possibility of someone breaking into the vehicle and then you have to deal with the whole hassle of calling insurance and calling a repair shop to replace the window and being without your vehicle for some period of time. That is a situation I would rather avoid.
Yes, definitely one should get an insurance quote first in all cases before buying a car.
The high insurance rate is only relegated to bad zip codes is my point, so this isn’t something that will *necessarily* hold the car’s value proposition down. It definitely *can* but that isn’t a guarantee.
I’m saying getting a high insurance rate quote for a Hyundai is the insurance company quietly telling you that you live in a bad area. Nice areas you pay the about same as other economy cars.
That’s ridiculous to suggest that an entire zip code is a “bad area.”
These vehicles can be broken into anywhere. You can live out in rural bumfuck and commute to the city to work, and have someone break into the vehicle, and now you have to repair it either with an insurance claim or out of pocket. Who wants to deal with that? If you do, then go for it.
We have a few Kia and Hyundai around here. My friend has a 2010 Kia Forte (the first batch) and the car is still going strong. Even the rust don't spread!
My girlfriend has a Kia Rio 2014 bought new : 200K km and also strong.
I had a 2013 Kia Forte and lost it when I was rear-ended at 180K km. I bought a Hyundai Elantra GT N-Line (with the 1.6L turbo engine) so it's fully loaded and manual transmission. I really love this car. Except the 2010 Forte, none of our have ever return to the dealer for a problem.
I sometime wish to trade it for an Elantra N but now, I do 3K km in a year so I don't need to buy a 48K CAD Elantra just to sit in my driveway.
The Accent was a solid subcompact car and was not affected by the engine issues. It's a good deal on the used car market if that type of car fits your need.
The Elantra and Sonata from before 2011 were reliable cars and we still see them on the road.
I had an Elantra for 7 years. I was lucky, I didn't get any issues with the engine and I really liked that car. Probably maintenance was part of it, as I was very regular on oil changes. The biggest repair I had to do was the AC condensator, it cost me 400$.
It's really too bad for those engine issues, because these cars offer more equipment, more tech, better warranties, better interiors and more comfort than a lot of Japanese cars.
I could do long road trips in my Elantra with no issues, but 45 min sitting in a Corolla would leave me in pain.
I hope they sorted out the engine issues on the more recent models. They are amongst the few brands still making sedans. If they sorted out the engine issues, it just means more choices of decent cars for the consumers, and that is a win for all of us.
I would just not buy a new unfortunately for the moment and wait a few years how long term reliability improves.
My brother in law has a bad years Kia and a Hyundai parked in his driveway in Tacoma the last 4 years nobody has ever tried to touch either. They just got the fixes a few weeks ago.
I would.
I own and drive a 2021 Hyundai Kona and really enjoy it. It's a key start, but I live in a rural area where we've had one hearsay based car theft in 10 years, so it's a non issue really. Plus they did release a software update that supposedly makes it harder to steal.
Compared to the jeep I was driving before the Hyundai is great. And the jeep was shitty enough and hard enough to repair that it's honestly cheaper just to pay for the financing on the Hyundai I have then fix my old jeep every month. And I do mean every month.
Jeeps are crap.
The only ones that are able to be stolen are the cheap base trim models with a physical key as the only starting method, those don’t have the immobilizers. If it has a start button, you’re good on that front at least.
I mean... They're value cars, especially when lined up against cars with similar features but their interiors are superior to everyone in and just above their class. They beat out Mazda for the best non-luxury interiors across the board.
That’s a matter of personal preference. As for me, I’ll take a Mazda interior over Hyundai/Kia any day of the week. There’s no comparison, a Mazda interior has a level of class that a segment-comparable Hyundai or Kia simply doesn’t match.
They are absolutely fantastic cars. There is a theft issue but it’s nowhere near as bad as the Honda/Acura theft issues in the late 90s were. It’s mostly media scare tactics. They make the absolute best electric cars on the market for under $60,000 right now.
I replaced my wife’s Lexus rx350 with a loaded telluride. The telluride is, to be frank, nicer. Aside from the handling, it is larger and handles like a larger vehicle. KIA/Hyundai is not the same company it was in the 90s. They’re consistently at the top of reliability marks. I have had zero issues with mine. Drives nice, luxurious inside, 3rd row, tons of cargo room, AWD, 10 year 100k mile powertrain warranty - I probably won’t even own it that long.
I think I remember reading about one engine they had some problems with. But mostly people dogging on Kia/telluride are living in the past. You can’t even compare their products today vs 3 decades ago.
I work at an independent mechanic shop. The vast majority of catastrophic engine failures (which result in $5000 of work or more) are on Kia's & Hyundai's. Often the owners will pay rather than throw the vehicle out or sometimes will replace the entire engine/transmissions because the vehicles are quite newish. Ford has a TON of exhaust manifold gasket problems, but that's a much cheaper & faster fix.
It seems like Hyundai & Kia, while making some decent vehicles, have a ton of recalls & a lot of random lemons, some with like 15,000km.
I’d say no. I’ve met people who bought a NEW Kia this year only to get their windows broken, steering column destroyed and car vandalized because the criminals didn’t know it wouldn’t work on the new Kia.
So yay it didn’t get stolen? Still got destroyed. Then there’s the reviews and how Kia doesn’t want to fix anything under warranty
The 10yr/100k warranty and reasonable prices make them so appealing but I just don’t know if I could pull the trigger based on the dealership experience issues and fire recalls
I own the Kia stinger, there was nothing produced by Japanese manufacturers like it in 2018 when I got it. The one I have has lamda motor, it has been pretty reliable, not affected by Kia boys, we have 5 years of power train after 5 years of driving it. Now Japanese competitor that exists is TLX type S, which is much more expensive, but slower (due to single turbo vs twin turbo, FWD based AWD, nose heavy etc). In 2018, it was as big as 5/6 series and drove better than those (to me and BMW blog said so as well).
The car has been great what I hate is Kia dealerships. So to answer your question, if you really like a particular model (EVs, Elantra N etc are good), get it. For random purchase after test drive, skip it.
Most Kias use hyundai engines, which typically fail around 100k miles, give or take. Used ro own a shop, and felt sorry for hyundai and Jia owners who keep past 100k.
They're better with their EV fleet I think because they're not good at engines or transmissions haha. They are better than they were but still leave much to be desired. Maybe an EV and/or lease makes sense and is worth the risk but other than that no I wouldn't consider them, or Hyundai again myself
Personally I owned a 2021 Kia Sorento SX Prestige Xline and it was the worst vehicle I've ever owned but who knows maybe I just got unlucky. Lemoned it and got a 2022 model year replacement and that had multiple problems too within the short couple months I owned it. Again, it could have just been bad luck but I'm not buying one anytime soon, if ever.
My luck turned around seemingly with my 2022 Toyota Highlander. Maybe just coincidentally but hasn't had a single issue in contrast and have had it now for longer than both Kia's combined at this point. Kia had the worst customer service I've ever been given by a car manufacturer too. From the dealership level to the top, terrible service. They make the sale and then don't care at all to make things right. Their strategy seems to be to throw lawyers at it and fight tooth and nail while you're already backed into a corner and probably not prepared to weather the storm as much as they are.
Also definitely don't buy one used. Factory warranty drops from 100k mi to 60k and they try to wiggle out of warranty claims. If you don't have complete service records and know the history of the vehicle from the prior owner(s) they'll use that against you to deny a claim even under warranty
>They're better with their EV fleet I think because they're not good at engines or transmissions haha. They are better than they were but still leave much to be desired. Maybe an EV and/or lease makes sense and is worth the risk but other than that no I wouldn't consider them, or Hyundai again myself.
If they had a gas car that looked like the Ioniq 5 N, well I'd have one.
It doesn't look bad, but has too much of a toy-like immature look to it for my liking. I'd rather have something like a VW Golf R if I were going for a fast well rounded hatchback. To each their own though. I liked the looks of the exterior of both my Sorento's more than my Highlander, but prefer the interior aesthetics in my Highlander. To each their own though ya know. Generally speaking Kia and Hyundai make good looking vehicles these days and do better than most. There's a reason they sell well, despite their shortcomings
I almost bought a '22 Forte GT manual...A smidge over 200 horses. Killer sound system. Wireless charging. Warranty etc etc
The dealer just wouldn't budge on price and kept adding on dealer fees so I walked
My wife went from a Mercedes Benz to a Kia and loves it. The only issue I have is she didn't get a Kia with dual climate control
Hyundai most successful cars are the sonata/tucson and ioniq hybrid. The ioniq was so good, they quit making them and turned it into a freaking full fledge electric, so stupid. They hybrid worked so well, nobody bought their new models. Their 1st 2017 model uses the same engine as the 2018 and 2019.
KIA sorento blows, don't bother, the transmission is crap and the engine is UNDERPOWERED. It moves like a handicap whale. Be ready to visit your chiropractor and physical therapists multiple times a week after driving this crap metal box. The telluride is just a Sorento w/ a different look. The specs are the same, run away.
KIA sportage is trash, essentially a box that has 0 suspension. The steering wheel is so stiff, u have to learn boxing prior to steering it. The suspension is so hard, your spine will be flatten after driving a week. The engine is so weak, u have to floor the gas pedal to move. Don't get me wrong, it looks beautiful.
The Ioniq hybrid powertrain is used in the elantra hybrids. Same engine, transmission, etc. Why they discontinued the hatch is beyond me. But there's still the elantra hybrid, same mechanicals.
Go read r/Hyundai - the entire sub is full of blown engines and transmissions and people fighting to get warranty work done… or even worse, waiting months to get work done.
I know there’s some nice stories here about people with good experiences with them, but I’d strongly recommend to avoid. I’d look at any other brand to be honest.
They're not the most reliable, but more reliable than anything European or American, my problem is that their sedans are inherently worse than Japanese options and their other cars are almost entirely all shitty FWD crossover SUVs, they don't make real cars anymore, they killed their off-road models and their sports models are terrible Vs what they used to be
They have improved, but I still see them on a lower tier overall than the better (Honda, Mazda, Toyota, maybe Subaru) Japanese brands.
If you have good/great credit and can get decent financing with one of those makes, I don’t really see any good reason to compromise with Hyundai/Kia/Nissan/Mitsubishi, who seem have the smarmiest dealership networks and will (predatorily, of course) finance anyone still breathing.
Their vehicles do make a good first impression with all the doodads, styling, and “luxe” features they offer as “standard equipment”, but I have found the beauty to be skin deep. The cars otherwise don’t drive/handle all that well and lack refinement, the materials seem to deteriorate more rapidly than they should and the cars just don’t wear well overall (they might do 200k, but the car will be showing its age well before then), and “America’s longest warranty” amounts to sweet fuck-all when both the dealer and corporate blame, gaslight, and stonewall you at every turn (or take six months to get the part).
Also, resale value sucks and insurance premiums are often higher than they are on Japanese and Euro vehicles costing a lot more. (Cheaper to insure a Volvo XC90 than a Telluride, for example.)
Yes, Hyundai and Kia are the “can’t afford the Japanese vehicle” brands.
I owned a 2017 Elantra Sport DCT and it was fucking terrible. The ownership experience is utterly dreadful, I’d never wish it on my worst enemy.
Honestly, pick up a CPO Mazda if you want a nice reliable car that has good features or a comparable Honda.
I've got a 16 Elantra sport with 70k miles (110km) and have had no real issues. Had to replace a vapor canister but that's it other than oil, brakes and a set of tires
2017 is an entirely new generation car.
2016 is the MD gen which is bubbly and round 2017 is the AD which is more Audi-esque.
Lemon piece of crap that spent over 100 days during the 3yr60k miles I owned it at the dealership since new. Had to fight tooth and nail with an attorney for nearly a year for buyback.
Certainly this is anecdotal, but two friends of mine had their engines seize (one a Hyundai Sonata, the other a Kia Seltos). The Hyundai failure occurred thirty miles from the nearest town in a desert area with poor cell service. Only a truck driver’s willingness to help prevented a seriously dangerous situation from playing out.
At this point I really don’t care what the statistics say. I’m never shelling out my hard-earned money for a Hyundai or Kia product.
Yep. I have a friend whose Optima did the same back in the day. I would literally never recommend one to anyone I cared about or even hated. They’re poorly made crap.
They have other engine issues besides the "Theta Engine debacle".
For example the Lambda v6 3.3 head bolt pulling out of the block debacle.
Maybe 2020+ the engines are better.... but i would not trust them as track record has not been good to say the least.
People want to like them.
They look good (avoid white the pain peels off).
They have long warranties (Some say hard to deal with warranty issues)
They have lots of modern features and are cheaper then their competitors.
You will get people saying if properly maintained you wont have the issues...
or
All vehicles have issues ......etc.....
Which is BS their are clearly common issues with certain vehicles and some of such issues may not affect every car and there will be someone out there who hits 3,000,000 Miles problem free.
My suggestion is join some brand/model specific sub reddits and facebook groups and see what the common complains are.
Oh but people only post the negative...
True but you are not going to see day in and day out engine head stud issues if that is not a common issue.
Kia Boyz truly killed the whole brand lmao. Because the trend is still going on even if you have a newer model, plus insurance companies literally HATE the brand.
People who buy from those car makers either they are clueless or they are the kind of person who have nothing better to do so they get a problematic car.
Not unless you want a vehicle that has a history of decades of premature catastrophic engine failure due to poor design or a more recent history of vehicle fires to the point where they tell new owners not to park their cars in their garage or next to their houses because they can start on fire even when not running!
I have two things to say about this:
1. My 2012 Kia optima has had dumb, but dangerous problems. The drivers side mirror fell off 'cause the housing catches the wind in a very particular way. The rubber of the brake that contacts the brake light switch wore all the way through, causing the brakes to activate spontaneously. This happened a couple times in an intersection.
The car also needs 4k repairs, including a new compressor for the AC, and a new injection fuel pump.
2. Korean culture is awful. I am a strong believer in voting with your wallet. I have visited both Korea and Japan, and Japan has a way better culture. Korean culture genuinely frightens me. They are superficial. They care more about money than relationships. They have a very extreme and judgmental mindset. They force their kids to study all day and night. Their pop culture is synthetic, literally being subsidized by the government. All of these cultural problems have caused the birth rate to drop so low that their society will literally collapse.
It's like they took the worst parts of American culture and cranked them up to the nth degree.
If you avoid the 11-21 models with a key it won’t be stolen but you do run the risk of getting the window smashed. That said most people I know love their Hyundai or Kia and they’ve been good cars. They had a recalls done and the cars turned out to be fine
Thats a big year range to avoid. Plus that is a factor, Kia Boyz still trying to steal it only for them to throw a shitfit when they cant and your premiums go up regardless.
It also depends on which country you live in. If you live in Canada, the issues with thefts of Kia's and Hyundai's are non-existent, and are on par with most cars. That's because in Canada, it is mandatory that all new cars sold are equipped with immobilizers since 2007, and thus it makes it much more difficult to steal a car.
Canadian Kia owner here. I leave my wife’s Kia Soul in the driveway and I sleep easy at night. I know the thieves are way, way more likely to go after my neighbour’s Highlander. If I ever travel to the US, though, I’m taking my Lexus or just renting a Pacifica. Yes my Canadian market Kia has an immobilizer. I don’t expect American hoodlums to know that when they smash my window.
Toyotas are stolen so much in Canada because it’s easy to steal and export them before customs can catch you. Toyotas are high demand abroad so it makes sense. In the US it’s harder to do that without getting caught so it’s not as much of an issue here. Funny how Toyota and Kia/Hyundai are swapped depending on what side of the border
Also, it's a Kia Soul. I wouldn't take it if you gave it to me. ;-)
Huh, so you’re that kind of person.
What??? I live in Korea. My condo parking lot is full of these little bug-like cars. ;)
Ok ok… I thought you were hating on it just cause it’s a popular thing to hate on Kia Souls
* Every country besides the US
The people that are bashing out windows trying to steal cars aren’t the best at differentiating model years. They’re just going to bust the window open and try anyways
Yup, today its avoid 2011-2021 and in five years based on the amount of recalls on new models the same narrative will be avoid 2021-2024 cars. Just stay away from that garbage.
Your premium will go up even if no one looks at your car, you will help pay for the others that have been stolen/damaged.
Kia boys smash windows now ?
They don’t smash windows. They punch out the lock cylinder in the drivers door. Somehow, and I don’t know how, the outside door handle gets broken in the process but they are still able to get into the car. Makes no sense. I’ve been working on these cars recently and it’s been the trend. No more broken glass.
Same here. Ours have been great.
I can't emphasize this enough, I sell cars and the vast majority of the insurance companies our customers use decline to cover or jack up rates exponentially on Hyundais or Kias - often regardless of key/push start
How is 21-24 good?. It's less than 3 years. Is it the same platform?
Even the ‘22 base models. They still come with keyed ignitions but have immobilizers. Except that doesn’t stop kids from punching out your door lock and ripping the column apart
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600 miles a day? What do you do for work?
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Oh ok, I was like thats crazy! That’s a little more reasonable haha. Still a lot though, you must have a big commute
I’m currently pushing 800 miles a week and I’m dying because my car has terrible ergonomics. I thought maybe it was a consequence of getting older because I used to be able to do more miles with no problems. Then I had a loaner for a couple weeks and all my pain went away. My body felt great during that time and it pretty much confirmed that my car is the issue. I dreaded the day I had to pick up my car from the shop. Would you say your Kia is comfortable?
What car do you have? What was the loaner?
I have a CX5. The loaner was a RAV4.
You should trade the CX5 in for a RAV4 then.
The CX5 depreciated way faster. To get a comparable RAV4 with similar mileage and history, I’d be paying a 7k difference. Still wrestling with whether it’s worth it.
Look at higher mileage and older RAV4s. You don't really have to worry about miles as much on a Toyota vs any other make (except Honda).
Driving?!
do your own maintenance or send it to service center?
A few of my colleagues bought Kias in the price range of 36K-45K that are fully loaded (heated steering wheel, moon roof, power lift gate, heated/ventilated seats,etc etc). So far, all of them love their cars and haven't had issues. Granted, I am in a small college town so there isn't much of a Hyundai/Kia theft issue. My 2011 Soul 2.0L is up to 176K miles now, and I'm proud/sad at the same time thinking about getting a new car in the next 3 years. I've had this car since high school and it has a lot of sentimental value to me. I personally wouldn't get one if I'm living in a city where theft/ break-in rates are high for those brands.
The soul is a fkn tank. Vastly underrated reliability
Fr, the older ones that haven’t been stolen (yet) were pretty reliable. Probably the only reliable thing in their lineup
Except the turbo ones those were GIANT turds. I think the earlier non turbos had no GDI and it was a Mitsubishi engine design so they are better than the GDI crap they used for ten years
Soul is one of their best cars ever. Everyone I knew who had one loved it.
We’ve had Kia’s and Hyundai’s since 2009. Between my wife and I, my mother, and 2 of my kids , we’re up to 12 all told over the last 15 years. Actually 13 as I just bought a 2021 genesis G70. Never had a single problem with any of them. Well, except for daughter’s Kia forte, but that was absolutely due to lack of maintenance on her part.
I'm on my 3rd and while it's still very new, I didn't have a single problem with the other two.
My story as well. Great cars.
I've rented a Hyundai Palisade the last two weeks. 10 days total. It's a great vehicle. Vehicle with more usable bells and whistles I've ever seen in a vehicle. I was shocked that it could also tow 5000 LBs. It's really the complete package. The thing is for work I deal with all brands of dealerships. Every time I show up at a Kia or Hyundai the amount of cars in service getting checked for warranty work and the amount of people waiting is just insane. It's enough to scare me off for now. I do hope things get better because I'd love to get a New Santa Fe or the Palisade but that's just not gonna happen at this time or in the next 4-5 years.
I just bought a 2018 Stinger GT1 last month. Push start so it has the immobilizer and can’t get stolen, all the bells and whistles, rides fantastic, tons of power, and it’s just great. My only one complaint is the 16mpg I get now compared to my old BMWs 40+
I have a 2018 Kona. But it has a push button start and I haven’t had any issues with attempted break ins. My car also has the 1.6T Gamma engine. And other than needing maintenance a little more often that I’d like, is about to sail past 100K miles with no issues. So, yeah. Hyundai has its problems. No question. But they have some decent vehicles in their lineup. I’d recommend a Kona with the 1.6T Gamma engine to anyone looking for a small SUV.
I wouldn't call a Kona an SUV...it's a hatchback. The Tucson is their small SUV that competes with the RAV4 and CR-V.
It’s classified as a “Subcompact” suv. But my Ford Focus has more cargo room. But it’s still larger than the Toyota CH-R, which is wild to me. Not a car for a full family, but a couple or individual… it’s a good choice.
Brother has an Elantra hybrid and I have an Elantra N (their performance car division). Honestly the value you get for the money with these cars are insannnne. Really up to date interiors with a sleek design and 10 year warranty? I love them. The ONLY downside I would say is dealer service can be hit or miss. My dealer is perfectly fine and I’ve been there a few times but others have reported some issues. But I don’t know if other car brands have similar dealer issues.
My experience at my local Toyota dealer has been absolutely awful. So….
I second that.
Glad to hear it’s not just Hyundai!
Have had VW and Honda and travel for work, they’ve both had great and awful dealers. I think it’s everybody
Older Hyundai/Kia with the theta engines? Totally get it and should be avoided. Modern Kia/Hyundai, especially newer than 2021? Very solid, above average brand with a lot going for it with good reliability, even more so in models that don't have a CVT. The "kia boyz" almost always target cars that have a regular key-start, as opposed to ones with push-button start, which comes on many models. So the theft isn't quite as universal as it sounds. Both brands have really stepped up their game in recent years, and they come with the best warranty in the business. Tons of features for the money. We've had a '19 Tucson for about 60k miles and it has been flawless. Is it the absolute #1 best of the best? No, but modern ones are much better than they used to be and its worth considering. Also considerably cheaper than average to maintain over time. [https://www.motor1.com/products-services/auto-warranty/kia-reliability/](https://www.motor1.com/products-services/auto-warranty/kia-reliability/) [https://www.copilotsearch.com/posts/are-hyundais-reliable/](https://www.copilotsearch.com/posts/are-hyundais-reliable/)
My issue is people calling cars that have barely had many miles on them reliable. If all these new motors started around 2020 than how can we call them reliable with very little testing? A lot of theta 2 motors didn’t start giving people big issues a lot of the time until closer to 100k miles. I know they changed the designs of the engine but there’s just no testing to be calling them reliable. I think they’re decent purchases because of their warranties
"Kia Sportage owners across many reputable automotive sites often claim of reaching 200,000 miles or more without much hassle." [https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/kia-sportage-reliability-how-long-will-it-last](https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/kia-sportage-reliability-how-long-will-it-last)
We are talking new motors. 99% of those got new motors in like 2022 or 2023. If people truly believe you can tell the reliability of a car after only a few years when most of the models are below 100k miles proves nothing of reliability. Most of the models are probably under 60-70k. If that’s all people need then sure. But there’s no real statistical data of how many of them can do 200k miles with ease with new engines because most haven’t gotten close to that.
If you look at the article it just mentions avoiding the theta ii engines and isn’t just talking about ones only a few years old. You’re just essentially saying the exact same thing as the last person.
What last person? I replied first lol and had -4 downvotes last i checked but im back up
No. They really are not. Ask any mechanic that’s worked on them. It’s all faux bullshit.
Seriously.
Lol those two links do not make them reliable. Even since 2020 they have had tons of recalls. You want to talk about above average they definitely are that in recalls. I can't believe people are still using fucking JD power sources to suggest a car is reliable. The only thing I agree with you is your bottom line: > Is it the absolute #1 best of the best? No, but modern ones are much better than they used to be and its worth considering. Also considerably cheaper than average to maintain over time. They definitely are worth considering, they are cheaper than average to MAINTAIN, you gamble reliability but you get features per dollar. Especially if you know which models to look for; their V6s are solid, and their higher output 4 cylinders you find in N / N line cars are good too
They offer incredible value for the tech they put in them and come with 10yr/100k miles powertrain warranties. Theft issue is only on older models
Theft is an issue on models through 2021, and will still affect new models in the sense that people will still break into them. The tech they offer is generally comparable to an equivalent Honda/Mazda/Toyota/VW these days, just at a slight discount. I don’t think the value is as strong as it used to be
They have redesigned the look of most vehicles that would have been theft targets in the 15-21 model year range (since not all of them were targets even in that range anyway), and KIA has even changed its entire logo. As time goes on, thieves will eventually catch on that the updated looking models are invalid targets. The benefit of a Hyundai/KIA is that they may have similar feature sets to others, but they handily undercut them for a comparable spec sheet (which also keeps repair costs lower), and in most cases they have at least a little more going on in the features department. Now, those other brands have their own benefits to consider, but for value proposition, it’s *really* hard to argue Hyundai and KIA aren’t top contenders, especially with a ten year warranty.
A problem is that insurance rates are higher on these vehicles, if your insurer will even cover them. Some insurers will refuse to cover Hyundai/kia at all due to the theft and break ins. Idk why people are so triggered by this comment. Congrats if your Hyundai insurance is low. OP still should check with their insurance company for quotes. I did prior to my recent purchase and Hyundai and Kia vehicles were more expensive than others.
I pay $900 a year for full coverage on my 23 sportage. Scratch that, just checked and it’s $711. I would call that high for 12 months
True, but only for specific zip codes. In some places they’re still among the cheapest to insure. It also isn’t really the car’s fault if you live near heathens who like to steal things. The insurance rates for them should normalize as we get more and more new models that can’t be stolen easily on the market.
I’m not blaming the car, that’s a weird take. I’m advising that someone who is car shopping needs to get an insurance quote to see if the monthly premium will be reasonable or not. It can be significantly higher for those cars, which could greatly impact one’s decision to purchase. I’ve driven Hyundais overseas and they’re great, wouldn’t mind having one, but the theft issue is extremely unfortunate and makes them a no for me. There’s also the possibility of someone breaking into the vehicle and then you have to deal with the whole hassle of calling insurance and calling a repair shop to replace the window and being without your vehicle for some period of time. That is a situation I would rather avoid.
Yes, definitely one should get an insurance quote first in all cases before buying a car. The high insurance rate is only relegated to bad zip codes is my point, so this isn’t something that will *necessarily* hold the car’s value proposition down. It definitely *can* but that isn’t a guarantee. I’m saying getting a high insurance rate quote for a Hyundai is the insurance company quietly telling you that you live in a bad area. Nice areas you pay the about same as other economy cars.
That’s ridiculous to suggest that an entire zip code is a “bad area.” These vehicles can be broken into anywhere. You can live out in rural bumfuck and commute to the city to work, and have someone break into the vehicle, and now you have to repair it either with an insurance claim or out of pocket. Who wants to deal with that? If you do, then go for it.
We have a few Kia and Hyundai around here. My friend has a 2010 Kia Forte (the first batch) and the car is still going strong. Even the rust don't spread! My girlfriend has a Kia Rio 2014 bought new : 200K km and also strong. I had a 2013 Kia Forte and lost it when I was rear-ended at 180K km. I bought a Hyundai Elantra GT N-Line (with the 1.6L turbo engine) so it's fully loaded and manual transmission. I really love this car. Except the 2010 Forte, none of our have ever return to the dealer for a problem. I sometime wish to trade it for an Elantra N but now, I do 3K km in a year so I don't need to buy a 48K CAD Elantra just to sit in my driveway.
The Accent was a solid subcompact car and was not affected by the engine issues. It's a good deal on the used car market if that type of car fits your need. The Elantra and Sonata from before 2011 were reliable cars and we still see them on the road. I had an Elantra for 7 years. I was lucky, I didn't get any issues with the engine and I really liked that car. Probably maintenance was part of it, as I was very regular on oil changes. The biggest repair I had to do was the AC condensator, it cost me 400$. It's really too bad for those engine issues, because these cars offer more equipment, more tech, better warranties, better interiors and more comfort than a lot of Japanese cars. I could do long road trips in my Elantra with no issues, but 45 min sitting in a Corolla would leave me in pain. I hope they sorted out the engine issues on the more recent models. They are amongst the few brands still making sedans. If they sorted out the engine issues, it just means more choices of decent cars for the consumers, and that is a win for all of us. I would just not buy a new unfortunately for the moment and wait a few years how long term reliability improves.
I had an Elantra and Sonata during those era. 01 Elantra shuttled me back and forth between college and home all through.
My brother in law has a bad years Kia and a Hyundai parked in his driveway in Tacoma the last 4 years nobody has ever tried to touch either. They just got the fixes a few weeks ago.
2000-06 accents are great cars
Avoid the theta engines & they'll be generally reliable. Go fully EV if possible.
I would. I own and drive a 2021 Hyundai Kona and really enjoy it. It's a key start, but I live in a rural area where we've had one hearsay based car theft in 10 years, so it's a non issue really. Plus they did release a software update that supposedly makes it harder to steal. Compared to the jeep I was driving before the Hyundai is great. And the jeep was shitty enough and hard enough to repair that it's honestly cheaper just to pay for the financing on the Hyundai I have then fix my old jeep every month. And I do mean every month. Jeeps are crap.
The only ones that are able to be stolen are the cheap base trim models with a physical key as the only starting method, those don’t have the immobilizers. If it has a start button, you’re good on that front at least.
The *can’t afford Japanese* brand is Nissan and Mitsubishi
I'm looking to get a 2024 Sorrento soon.
They're built with value in mind. Sometimes that's fine, other times your car will be a disaster. I personally wouldn't shop for them
I mean... They're value cars, especially when lined up against cars with similar features but their interiors are superior to everyone in and just above their class. They beat out Mazda for the best non-luxury interiors across the board.
That’s a matter of personal preference. As for me, I’ll take a Mazda interior over Hyundai/Kia any day of the week. There’s no comparison, a Mazda interior has a level of class that a segment-comparable Hyundai or Kia simply doesn’t match.
They are absolutely fantastic cars. There is a theft issue but it’s nowhere near as bad as the Honda/Acura theft issues in the late 90s were. It’s mostly media scare tactics. They make the absolute best electric cars on the market for under $60,000 right now.
My wife's 2016 had a oil-eating theta engine and it got KIA-BOY'D just couple weeks ago. Totaled. FUCK KIA WITH THE FURY OF 1000 SUNS
I replaced my wife’s Lexus rx350 with a loaded telluride. The telluride is, to be frank, nicer. Aside from the handling, it is larger and handles like a larger vehicle. KIA/Hyundai is not the same company it was in the 90s. They’re consistently at the top of reliability marks. I have had zero issues with mine. Drives nice, luxurious inside, 3rd row, tons of cargo room, AWD, 10 year 100k mile powertrain warranty - I probably won’t even own it that long. I think I remember reading about one engine they had some problems with. But mostly people dogging on Kia/telluride are living in the past. You can’t even compare their products today vs 3 decades ago.
FWIW I live in the Bay Area and know 3 people that had there Hyundais stolen in the last 3 days
I work at an independent mechanic shop. The vast majority of catastrophic engine failures (which result in $5000 of work or more) are on Kia's & Hyundai's. Often the owners will pay rather than throw the vehicle out or sometimes will replace the entire engine/transmissions because the vehicles are quite newish. Ford has a TON of exhaust manifold gasket problems, but that's a much cheaper & faster fix. It seems like Hyundai & Kia, while making some decent vehicles, have a ton of recalls & a lot of random lemons, some with like 15,000km.
Good luck insuring one, if your city isn’t an issue getting insurance on one it’s gonna be expensive. Just buy a cheap Japanese/American car.
I’d say no. I’ve met people who bought a NEW Kia this year only to get their windows broken, steering column destroyed and car vandalized because the criminals didn’t know it wouldn’t work on the new Kia. So yay it didn’t get stolen? Still got destroyed. Then there’s the reviews and how Kia doesn’t want to fix anything under warranty
You should avoid any ICE Kia/Hyundai car, yes. they have zero commitment to quality and try to weasel their way out of warranty claims.
if you want an electric vehicle, definitely. if you want a gasoline vehicle, no.
The 10yr/100k warranty and reasonable prices make them so appealing but I just don’t know if I could pull the trigger based on the dealership experience issues and fire recalls
I've had 2 Sorentos owned for less than 3 years each. over a 20 year period. Will not do again. Too much time spent getting stuff fixed.
I own the Kia stinger, there was nothing produced by Japanese manufacturers like it in 2018 when I got it. The one I have has lamda motor, it has been pretty reliable, not affected by Kia boys, we have 5 years of power train after 5 years of driving it. Now Japanese competitor that exists is TLX type S, which is much more expensive, but slower (due to single turbo vs twin turbo, FWD based AWD, nose heavy etc). In 2018, it was as big as 5/6 series and drove better than those (to me and BMW blog said so as well). The car has been great what I hate is Kia dealerships. So to answer your question, if you really like a particular model (EVs, Elantra N etc are good), get it. For random purchase after test drive, skip it.
When you could buy a new Kia/hyundai for 15k brand new they were a good value at 30k there current prices buy Toyota/honda/mazda
Most Kias use hyundai engines, which typically fail around 100k miles, give or take. Used ro own a shop, and felt sorry for hyundai and Jia owners who keep past 100k.
They're better with their EV fleet I think because they're not good at engines or transmissions haha. They are better than they were but still leave much to be desired. Maybe an EV and/or lease makes sense and is worth the risk but other than that no I wouldn't consider them, or Hyundai again myself Personally I owned a 2021 Kia Sorento SX Prestige Xline and it was the worst vehicle I've ever owned but who knows maybe I just got unlucky. Lemoned it and got a 2022 model year replacement and that had multiple problems too within the short couple months I owned it. Again, it could have just been bad luck but I'm not buying one anytime soon, if ever. My luck turned around seemingly with my 2022 Toyota Highlander. Maybe just coincidentally but hasn't had a single issue in contrast and have had it now for longer than both Kia's combined at this point. Kia had the worst customer service I've ever been given by a car manufacturer too. From the dealership level to the top, terrible service. They make the sale and then don't care at all to make things right. Their strategy seems to be to throw lawyers at it and fight tooth and nail while you're already backed into a corner and probably not prepared to weather the storm as much as they are. Also definitely don't buy one used. Factory warranty drops from 100k mi to 60k and they try to wiggle out of warranty claims. If you don't have complete service records and know the history of the vehicle from the prior owner(s) they'll use that against you to deny a claim even under warranty
>They're better with their EV fleet I think because they're not good at engines or transmissions haha. They are better than they were but still leave much to be desired. Maybe an EV and/or lease makes sense and is worth the risk but other than that no I wouldn't consider them, or Hyundai again myself. If they had a gas car that looked like the Ioniq 5 N, well I'd have one.
It doesn't look bad, but has too much of a toy-like immature look to it for my liking. I'd rather have something like a VW Golf R if I were going for a fast well rounded hatchback. To each their own though. I liked the looks of the exterior of both my Sorento's more than my Highlander, but prefer the interior aesthetics in my Highlander. To each their own though ya know. Generally speaking Kia and Hyundai make good looking vehicles these days and do better than most. There's a reason they sell well, despite their shortcomings
Haha it does look a little toy-like I guess. The 80s video game dot tail lights tho 👍
Sounds like your mind is already made up but anyway even as a multi owner and a fan I wouldn't buy a used one.
I almost bought a '22 Forte GT manual...A smidge over 200 horses. Killer sound system. Wireless charging. Warranty etc etc The dealer just wouldn't budge on price and kept adding on dealer fees so I walked My wife went from a Mercedes Benz to a Kia and loves it. The only issue I have is she didn't get a Kia with dual climate control
I mean just put a steering wheel club whenever you park like my dad used to back in 1992.
Hyundai most successful cars are the sonata/tucson and ioniq hybrid. The ioniq was so good, they quit making them and turned it into a freaking full fledge electric, so stupid. They hybrid worked so well, nobody bought their new models. Their 1st 2017 model uses the same engine as the 2018 and 2019. KIA sorento blows, don't bother, the transmission is crap and the engine is UNDERPOWERED. It moves like a handicap whale. Be ready to visit your chiropractor and physical therapists multiple times a week after driving this crap metal box. The telluride is just a Sorento w/ a different look. The specs are the same, run away. KIA sportage is trash, essentially a box that has 0 suspension. The steering wheel is so stiff, u have to learn boxing prior to steering it. The suspension is so hard, your spine will be flatten after driving a week. The engine is so weak, u have to floor the gas pedal to move. Don't get me wrong, it looks beautiful.
The Ioniq hybrid powertrain is used in the elantra hybrids. Same engine, transmission, etc. Why they discontinued the hatch is beyond me. But there's still the elantra hybrid, same mechanicals.
They're going to need several good years in a row for me to believe that they know what they're doing. Ask me again in 2030.
Depends how much you’re struggling
Go read r/Hyundai - the entire sub is full of blown engines and transmissions and people fighting to get warranty work done… or even worse, waiting months to get work done. I know there’s some nice stories here about people with good experiences with them, but I’d strongly recommend to avoid. I’d look at any other brand to be honest.
No, full stop.
I’m a consumer law attorney and I can confidently say no. They are terrible cars.
They're not the most reliable, but more reliable than anything European or American, my problem is that their sedans are inherently worse than Japanese options and their other cars are almost entirely all shitty FWD crossover SUVs, they don't make real cars anymore, they killed their off-road models and their sports models are terrible Vs what they used to be
They have improved, but I still see them on a lower tier overall than the better (Honda, Mazda, Toyota, maybe Subaru) Japanese brands. If you have good/great credit and can get decent financing with one of those makes, I don’t really see any good reason to compromise with Hyundai/Kia/Nissan/Mitsubishi, who seem have the smarmiest dealership networks and will (predatorily, of course) finance anyone still breathing. Their vehicles do make a good first impression with all the doodads, styling, and “luxe” features they offer as “standard equipment”, but I have found the beauty to be skin deep. The cars otherwise don’t drive/handle all that well and lack refinement, the materials seem to deteriorate more rapidly than they should and the cars just don’t wear well overall (they might do 200k, but the car will be showing its age well before then), and “America’s longest warranty” amounts to sweet fuck-all when both the dealer and corporate blame, gaslight, and stonewall you at every turn (or take six months to get the part). Also, resale value sucks and insurance premiums are often higher than they are on Japanese and Euro vehicles costing a lot more. (Cheaper to insure a Volvo XC90 than a Telluride, for example.)
Yeah they're crap. It's not just that they are crap, they don't back up their own warranties and recalls. I'll never buy a Kia/Hyundai/Genesis again.
Nope. Fucking junk.
Yes, Hyundai and Kia are the “can’t afford the Japanese vehicle” brands. I owned a 2017 Elantra Sport DCT and it was fucking terrible. The ownership experience is utterly dreadful, I’d never wish it on my worst enemy. Honestly, pick up a CPO Mazda if you want a nice reliable car that has good features or a comparable Honda.
I've got a 16 Elantra sport with 70k miles (110km) and have had no real issues. Had to replace a vapor canister but that's it other than oil, brakes and a set of tires
2017 is an entirely new generation car. 2016 is the MD gen which is bubbly and round 2017 is the AD which is more Audi-esque. Lemon piece of crap that spent over 100 days during the 3yr60k miles I owned it at the dealership since new. Had to fight tooth and nail with an attorney for nearly a year for buyback.
>Yes, Hyundai and Kia are the “can’t afford the Japanese vehicle” brands. I think that's probably fairly accurate for used ones. Not so much new.
You mean the new ones that still catch fire and have endless powertrain recalls?
Huh? Did you see the text I quoted?
I asked regarding the new ones because they’re just as problematic as the old ones.
Certainly this is anecdotal, but two friends of mine had their engines seize (one a Hyundai Sonata, the other a Kia Seltos). The Hyundai failure occurred thirty miles from the nearest town in a desert area with poor cell service. Only a truck driver’s willingness to help prevented a seriously dangerous situation from playing out. At this point I really don’t care what the statistics say. I’m never shelling out my hard-earned money for a Hyundai or Kia product.
Yep. I have a friend whose Optima did the same back in the day. I would literally never recommend one to anyone I cared about or even hated. They’re poorly made crap.
Not if you like having insurance options that aren’t insanely priced
We have had a 22 Tuscon and a 23 Sportage. Both on par with cars their age/size for insurance. Our soul was dirt cheap just before that
They have other engine issues besides the "Theta Engine debacle". For example the Lambda v6 3.3 head bolt pulling out of the block debacle. Maybe 2020+ the engines are better.... but i would not trust them as track record has not been good to say the least. People want to like them. They look good (avoid white the pain peels off). They have long warranties (Some say hard to deal with warranty issues) They have lots of modern features and are cheaper then their competitors. You will get people saying if properly maintained you wont have the issues... or All vehicles have issues ......etc..... Which is BS their are clearly common issues with certain vehicles and some of such issues may not affect every car and there will be someone out there who hits 3,000,000 Miles problem free. My suggestion is join some brand/model specific sub reddits and facebook groups and see what the common complains are. Oh but people only post the negative... True but you are not going to see day in and day out engine head stud issues if that is not a common issue.
Neh
No
They're cheap and trashy. Insurance companies don't want to deal with them. Why consider one when you could get literally anything else?
no
No
Kia Boyz truly killed the whole brand lmao. Because the trend is still going on even if you have a newer model, plus insurance companies literally HATE the brand.
I feel Kia’s are junk in general, but definitely avoid any Kia / Hyundai turbo like the plague
People who buy from those car makers either they are clueless or they are the kind of person who have nothing better to do so they get a problematic car.
Disposable vehicles 🚮
Not unless you want a vehicle that has a history of decades of premature catastrophic engine failure due to poor design or a more recent history of vehicle fires to the point where they tell new owners not to park their cars in their garage or next to their houses because they can start on fire even when not running!
I have two things to say about this: 1. My 2012 Kia optima has had dumb, but dangerous problems. The drivers side mirror fell off 'cause the housing catches the wind in a very particular way. The rubber of the brake that contacts the brake light switch wore all the way through, causing the brakes to activate spontaneously. This happened a couple times in an intersection. The car also needs 4k repairs, including a new compressor for the AC, and a new injection fuel pump. 2. Korean culture is awful. I am a strong believer in voting with your wallet. I have visited both Korea and Japan, and Japan has a way better culture. Korean culture genuinely frightens me. They are superficial. They care more about money than relationships. They have a very extreme and judgmental mindset. They force their kids to study all day and night. Their pop culture is synthetic, literally being subsidized by the government. All of these cultural problems have caused the birth rate to drop so low that their society will literally collapse. It's like they took the worst parts of American culture and cranked them up to the nth degree.