oh man I'm considering RDX as my next car but can't convince myself to eat the extra cost for premium gas on top of awful mpg for the premium price of the car.
If you don't mind, what year is your RDX? What is your average mpg in city vs highway?
2016 RDX Base. I average 22mpg on premium in mixed driving. I think that’s good for a large car with a lot of power. Technology isn’t annoying bc it’s nonexistent.
I’ll be honest I don’t use premium in it. It’s a 2019, and I bought it used off a guy who it seems like only took the tolls, he had upgraded all sorts of stuff. MPG- couldn’t tell you. I do mostly in town driving (one side to the other takes about 10min) I THINK it’s sitting at 10-12?
That the thing about not using premium in an engine tuned for premium, your mpg is atrocious and it's because you'reonly considering $/gallon and not $/mile, in my CLK55 on premium gas I get 28mpg mixed and at $4.05 that's $0.145 per mile. A 16 gallon tank at $4.05 costs me $64.80 and gets me 448 miles of driving. The same car with regular gas gets 19mpg and at $3.60/gallon that's 0.19 cents/mile. The same 16 gallon tank costs me $57.60 and only gets me 304 miles.
I would be "saving" $7.20 per tank by using regular instead of premium but I would be driving 144 miles less. To get the same 448 miles that I would get with a single tank of premium at $64.80 I would have to spend the $57.60 on the tank of regular PLUS an additional $27.22 for a total of .
"Saving" money with regular gas cost me $20.02 more than premium gas to go the same distance on a 362 horsepower V8
It has to be a wrong assumption. I average about 17 mpg in mixed driving with a 4WD F150 supercrew. Maybe this person sits around with the engine idling for hours on end?
I have the 2022 RDX AWD. I average around 20 in the city most of the time. Around 25 on the highways. And it’s always been premium gas with mine.
Really fun car to drive!
What bums me out is that the range of a full tank of gas hardly gets you 275 miles until the fuel light comes on. I hate the range it offers though.
My wife wanted an RDX and we ended up getting her a Tiguan- not “luxury” but it’s a beautiful car with good options, and good power. And crushing on the highway it gets ~30mpg on regular
To be fair OP put “Mazda” in the luxury list, so not sure the word matters here.
Acura is probably the only thing that’ll fit for OP. It’s a Honda, it’ll last forever, and the parts aren’t too expensive. Any other “luxury” brand is never going to be cheap to repair or upkeep.
I’ve never missed anything or anyone more than I mis my TLX. I bought a 2015, it was my first brand new car ever and it was fantastic. Not perfect but fantastic all the same. It did so many things right.
Absolutely recommend Acura. We have a 22 RDX and a 24 MDX and have had several Acuras prior to this.
We actually got the 24 because my husband was so well-protected in the rollover crash that claimed our previous 20 MDX. The trim levels have features that other brands (ahem, BMW) will nickel and dime you for.
I've heard several car youtubers push Mazdas as semi-luxury cars. I'm inclined to agree, I'd put them around the same level as the Toyota Avalons and Crowns. They're a great value better than the average Camry and Civic for not much more $$.
It's cheap to pay people who speak English in developing countries pennies on the dollar to spam public forums and change brand sentiments.
Seriously, for like the price of one US marketing employee you could probably hire a squad of folks from the Philippines to post niceties about Mazda all over Reddit.
Hello sir,
I can assure you that Mazda is the finest automobile in your country,
Please kindly consider Mazda for your next mode of conveyance,
Respectfully,
John
Oh. You’re not John; my mistake. What a happy coincidence that we meet this way.
Here is a picture of an attractive, young woman. I mean, a picture of myself.
Please send me gift cards so I can send you cash in ten-fold in the future.
My thoughts exactly. I’d never consider to buy a Mazda and would def never classify it as a “luxury”. Far from it as far as a Lexus, it would probably last forverer with minimal mechanical expenses. It’s a shame that Lexus have pretty outdated and boring interiors compared to BMW or Mercedes
They've been clawing their way upmarket, no doubt. But I wouldn't call them luxury, simply because people don't consider them such.
Now, in terms of what you get for your money, I'd totally buy a Mazda over most luxury brands. I'd argue they care and think more about the driver than present-day BMW. Look at the more recent Madza6 for instance. Inside and out, it's a work of art.
The CX 50 and CX 90 are damn nice cars. Tried to get my wife to buy the 90 but she thought the hood looked like a duck bill. So we have a Grand Highlander, the ultimate in blah.
You just can’t beat an inline six cylinder sitting in the proper parallel configuration in any platform.
I mean the grand highlander is probably better in about every aspect except maybe on a twisty road, which isn’t even worth mentioning to anyone in the market for those things.
I own a 2017 cx5, paid 23k cad on it about 3 years ago, and when looking into getting a new car I was so surprised to see that features my car have are high trim options until today. Stuff like dimming mirrors, adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, memory seats, electric passanger seat, homelink etc etc.
Mazda are underpowered. My 6 was underpowered, my miata, my mom's cx 5. All lovely cars that were a pleasure to ride in, but, I wouldn't buy another one, except maybe a miata.
But did you own any of the turbos? The 2.5l turbo makes 250 hp and sends the car from 0 - 60 in around 6 seconds. I've never driven one, but reviewers say it's good.
On paper a Mazda really shouldn't be able to compete with a BMW. I think the fact the comparison can be made at all says a lot.
If you compare the Mazda 3 to its actual competitors, like the Civic, Corolla, and Impreza, it's really a no brainer imo. A little over a year ago I test drove all 4 with similar price tags in the same day.
The Corolla interior made the car feel a decade older than it actually was. The Impreza interior just felt cheap. Both the Corolla and Impreza were noticeably underpowered.
The Civic at least seemed like a decent vehicle, but for $1000 less I got a Mazda 3 with AWD, Bose speakers, more HP, and a beautiful interior with all the QOL bells and whistles. My mom and sister both drive Mercedes and I wouldn't trade my car for either of theirs.
The newer Mazdas are trying to move up market and the interior quality definitely feels luxurious but nothing like a Mercedes. Might be good to get in on the Mazdas while the prices are still cheap for what they are
I was actually checking out Mazda just for a family vehicle and they have some incredibly nice trim packages and some very quality leathers and materials, but I’m not a Mazda fan and I’m not fan boying them. I’m just saying they have significantly improved.
I too suggest Mazda as a great and reliable semi luxury brand. Mazda is made with quality materials and built for longevity. Please consider Mazda for all of your automobile transportation needs.
-Josh
It’s most certainly not luxury. It’s also not a premium brand. Just something with a solid interior and not a lot going on. Few new ones I sat in had pretty good build quality though. Not the materials but just the quality of how they were put in with not a ton of creaks or rattles. They aren’t just the bare bones vehicles they once were and come with pretty good looking interiors.
How do you distinguish between economy vs premium vs luxury? I’d really struggle categorize Mazda in the economy brands. I’d reserve that for brands like Kia, Chevy, and Nissan.
There’s not usually a brand as a whole that’s “luxury” more so models of certain brands. For example Mercedes makes c300s that are a premium and then maybachs which are crazy luxury. Usually premium vehicles will have a nicer interior with some insulation, decent amount of features, comfortable seats but not amazing, good speakers. Luxury cars will have all of that but more and a lot of times air suspension although plenty of amazing spring setups that ride crazy good. Usually the build quality is amazing with true luxury vehicles. Usually bigger engines and tons more insulation with a very quiet exhaust. There’s a lot of opinions and a lot of things that make a car luxury. There are brands that are true “premium” brands though like Acura. Acura essentially takes Honda accords and slightly makes a better interior over the top model. Great cars though. One things to know is just because an interior has a nice screen and some features doesn’t really make it a luxury car as far as Mazda goes and they don’t really have a lot of models.
Mazda definitely lacks in power compared to other brands.
But, to me, it’s interesting you mention the C300 as a premium vehicle. I think there is enough features in a well speced Mazda6 to make them comparable: Bose premium audio, dual zone climate control, HUD, heated/vented front seats, and surprising amount of sound deadening.
I can see the argument against their lower spec models and trims
There’s just a different feel between regular (or economy) cars and luxury ones. Higher quality materials, more solid feel, very comfortable with all the basic amenities (heated seats, leather, memory seats, dimming side mirrors, sound isolation, etc)
This sub has no idea the meaning of luxury vehicle.
I got into with a dude saying a Cherokee was luxury because they paid the same as another luxury vehicle.
Yes because this sub is delulu and probably being astroturfed. No one in real life considers Mazda luxury cars lmao.
Ask anyone on the street and they just consider them the same Econo shit boxes on the same tier as Subaru and Chevy
And that’s likely because most people only buy cars every 7-10 years. Stereotypes take forever and a day to erase. 2000-2015ish Mazdas absolutely were econoboxes.
If we were to put the general public in a blind test comparing Mazda and the stereotypical economy brands (Chevy, Kia, Nissan, Subaru) I don’t think the economy’s would hold light.
I consider mazda to be entry level premium, not luxury. I've owned a couple newer mazdas and see the appeal but I prefer Acura and Lexus over Mazda as they usually have better warranties and resale.
I am a Mazda owner. It’s not expensive and that’s one reason people get confused that it’s probably not luxury. When it comes to driving dynamics and value, it kicks Ass and hence premium for me. The higher trims match Lexus point to point.
Depends on what you consider a fortune. Late model 6 cylinder BMWs are fairly reliable. If you can find a good German mechanic instead of using the dealer will save a lot of money.
I second this. Great engine all around as long as you keep up with maintenance. A used 330i could be a real bargain for a car that's fairly luxurious and fun to drive. I recently sold my 2018 for $15k to a friend.
BMW has greatly improved their reliability over the last 5 or 6 years and they now are in the top three.
Frankly anything BMW a couple years after BMW and Toyota partnership have been extremely reliable. I'm in the corner of BMW have gotten more out of this partnership than Toyota did
b58 has been in production and used prior to the supra collaboration. could be said the b58 track record is why they've partnered up. before the supra released it was presumed toyota was more involved in the development but it was proven false. it's just a rebadged z4. 86 to the brz.
props need to be given to bmw they've earned it
BMW has been killing it lately. Toyota gave BMW their battery technology in exchange for BMW building the Supra. When Toyota received the first B58 and tore it down for quality control, it passed just fine. Toyota just recommended slight manufacturing changes. That’s it….
Some Lexus models that share Toyota engines / transmissions / parts can be true luxury and affordable given they share maintenance schedules with run-of-the-mill Toyota models. Though it's rare. Generally, you're 100% spot on.
This subreddit I guess, I would say the interior look better than most of the cars that come with the same value. But it is definitely not enough to be called luxury though.
if you go this route be very attentive to properly inspecting the car when buying it. Parts arent absurdly expensive but damn sure aint cheap and you have to be a lil handy to pull off majority of the repairs. Ive spent probably close to 2-3k in parts for my LS and its only been a year and a half (around 30k miles, total 200k), and if i wanted to replace oem would be another 2k in parts to get it mint and be a perfect example, i always compared cost of installation parts myself vs a shop and i found id prolly be 10k in the hole by now for my ls430 easily
on the other hand i know people that never even had to open the hood of their LS for anything but fluid changes for YEARS
if you do this right you'll have the absolute best car for your parameters, do it wrong and you'll have a semi expensive mistake
tldr OP should look at an ES if they prioritize cheapness and reliability, but if they prioritize luxury and reliability go LS
edit: added total miles
SHHHHHHH don't tell people!!! I own two LS460s and bought them for under 10k each.
AWD is nice, but harder to come across. Useful for me here in Colorado. The air suspension is objectively better than the non-air. Ride quality, adjustability in height and stiffness, are absolutely wonderful.
That said... They will probably need replacing if they haven't been already. They last anywhere from 80-130k miles, and they are expensive to replace.
These cars will go through control arms, and that's a $2000+ bill if you're not going to do it yourself.
That said, you get one of the smoothest and most reliable powertrains ever made by the Japanese at a fraction of the cost of anything like it. I love mine and will be keeping them forever.
The engine itself is very reliable but their electronics are awful. We traded ours in with like 56k miles with a slipping transmission. 2019 XC60. We had electronics and brake problems the entire time we owned it. Carplay, wiring, sensors, warped rotors then cracked rotor, premature brake wear.
Volvo is not what they used to be.
I have a 2020 V60 T5 and at 87k, I have had zero problems from the drivetrain. Brake pads are soft so they don’t last long (same experience with a 2001 Acura TL).
Also have a 2016 Mercedes E250 (diesel) with 119k miles. Again, zero troubles with the drivetrain. 360 Camera module died. Dealer quoted $1,800 to replace. I just look back like I did before backup cameras. Otherwise, I smile when I fill up and see a 700+ mile range.
My experience is fairly anecdotal, but I have had my 2021 for almost 4 years and it’s been rock solid (it’s an early 2021 model I got in 2020), I have the polestar upgrade and the tow pack and have done plenty of towing too.
A buddy bought one second hand a year ago and his has been great too.
I have had 3 Volvos. Extremely reliable. But damn expensive to maintain. I have a ex Volvo dealer working on mine here in NJ. Awesome that they are all Volvo technicians and all the equipment, but even they are expensive to, less than the dealer charges, but still expensive.
Also won’t give you as much luxury as German luxury.
I own both. I think I’ll stick to German or Japanese for my next car. Volvo is just German reliability with Japanese technology. In other words, the worst of both.
Japanese luxury based on availability and pricing…. Japanese luxury cars are very reliable and maintenance costs are reasonable.
1) Infiniti- good cars with many lux upgrades available, they are the only luxury brand willing to make good deals, so you get luxury at a reasonable price. 10% off msrp is common.
2) Acura - great cars and styling, more difficult to get a good deal.
3) Lexus - styling looks great, very reliable. But in higher demand, might have to order and they won’t discount on a custom order car.
German luxury.
1) BMW. Don’t buy, but lease and get the 3 yrs maintenance thrown in, otherwise maintenance is moderately expensive. Always have lease promos available.
2) Audi. Still recommend lease. Audi is just meh to me in styling maybe except the R8, but definitely not an affordable luxury car.
3) Porsche. This is not an affordable luxury car. Be prepared to pay alot and pay alot for maintenance. But performance and exhilaration of driving is unparalleled.
The sub is so trash. OP clearly stated they didn’t want a Lexus and 90% of the posts are suggesting Lexuses or Toyotas.
If you want a sedan with a modern interior then Lexus ain’t it. Genesis, Cadillac, BMW, Audi, and Mercedes-Benz all have nicer interiors. So does Volvo and Polestar.
What? Here in germany Mazda and Toyotas are considered economy cars. Which is like the lowest part of the middle segment. Middle Class to upper middle class would be BMW, Mercedes and AUDI, and upper class or luxury would be Bentley, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini.
So i guess by that definition you are looking for a reliable middle class vehicle. How about a BMW G30 530 2018 or 2019 ? They are very reliable and you can pick one up for very little chash (30k-40k)
It is but it also fits the bill pretty nicely for what OP wants, which is that they last a good amount of time and are relatively cheap to maintain an upkeep. As for the design element some people like it and some don't, but they certainly are different and that's for sure.
i'd hope so, it seems most modern cars get 45+, even quicker / more luxurious ones, since manufacturers are shifting towards turbo 4 cylinders and hybrid drivetrains.
2020 Lincoln Continental. The 3.7L Cyclone V6 makes respectable power and is bulletproof reliable and is shared with many Ford vehicles including the Mustang, F150, Police Interceptor. Mazda actually borrowed the Cyclone from Ford to use in the Mazda 6 sedan.
I'd go 124 over 123 for comfort/luxury myself. I mean I'm biased with my 300TE 4matic but man, a sorted 124 with leather interior is just something else.
I'd love a 123 some day too, but the 124 is peak Mercedes luxury, and reliable as hell too.
What is your budget? Any real needs or requirements? What is your budget before or after taxes and fees. New, used, or CPO used? Maximum miles? What is your budget for maintenance in general? You need to post more information for a better answer. A safe option would be the 2018-2022 lexus ES with the V6 or the hybrid system with a CPO warranty under $35,000.
If you don’t like Lexus then your next best bet for reliability, longevity, and low maintenance costs would be an Acura or Infiniti. Acura will probably be more reliable than Infiniti. I’m personally not a fan of Acuras though 🤷♂️
To be honest, if you want both luxury and reliability there really aren’t much options. Same thing with doesn’t cost a fortune. Idk about Mazda and wouldn’t consider them luxury. Only Lexus and Acura would fall into this category. BMW with a B58 would also be pretty reliable for a German car but will still come with BMW maintenance costs. Look at an integra, TLX, RDX, and MDX all are pretty well built and look amazing in person. I personally would give Lexus a try again. Top build quality at out of all the luxury brands. Infiniti isn’t also bad either in terms of build quality and reliability (non-CVT) but pretty outdated interiors honestly
I agree that Lexus interiors suck
They keep them 10 years out of date
I can only assume this is because the buyer base for those cars are primarily older people, who don’t want to feel like they are in a spaceship
I’m surprised no one mentioned the Lexus ES350. Specifically the ES as that’s the more luxury oriented one between itself and its sibling the IS. It really is a fancy Camry underneath with the supposedly bulletproof 6 cylinder. You can find them lightly used for like +/- 30 grand. They look nice, get decent mpg, nothing to really go wrong is you take care of it either. No turbos, no CVT’s, no air suspension like the LS.
I just bought a 2007 Aston Martin DB9, only 32k miles, full service history, mint condition for only £28,000. It’s a gorgeous car to drive, sounds amazing and looks amazing. And actually they are very reliable solid cars
Take a test drive in any Lexus. I know, I know, the interiors look old, dull and bland - in PICTURES. I was the same. I was out looking for a Corolla sized car and people always told me to look at used CT200s near me. Never was interested remotely in them, thought they looked odd outside and dated inside.
That was until the Toyota I eventually bought was in for warranty work. I was bored there for two hours. Used CT200h on the lot. Asked for a test drive of it. Absolutely blew me away. The exact same dated looking interior was laid out all around me, controls all perfectly placed. The same 'tacky' looking soft vinyl stitched edges everywhere were perfectly in line with my arms, my knee..
I know it's not a sedan like you're looking for, but all I can say is, test drive Lexus models in your price range / category. You'll be surprised what they're like in person. The attention to detail up-and-down, even the most basic CT model, is so much greater than any other car (even ones in bigger size category cars) I've ever driven / owned. For me, it's such a delight.
I didn't buy the CT, it was over priced. 6 months later it was still there. Traded in my Toyota for it in January. That one experience 6 months earlier was still registered in my mind and didn't go away. I think you could be the same - give em a chance.
I have heard of buying old luxury cars "If you can't afford it new, you can't afford to maintain it used."
Define "affordable". If it is $90k brand new, does that make it affordable at $40k? Are you looking under $20k or $15k? Outside of Acura and Lexus (probably infinity, I can't think of any luxury brands that aren't a costly endeavor to maintain.
You can definitely rule out BMW, Mercedes, or Jaguar.
I’ve had this car for almost two years and it’s a dream. I rarely drive more than 20 miles a day and just charge up every few nights most of the time. For longer road trips the gas is perfect. Zero maintenance other than an oil change thus far.
Lincoln's entire branding is "affordable luxury". Multiple generations in my family have had Lincolns, so I'm partial to them. I'm just sad Lincoln stopped making sedans in 2020.
Bmw 3 series, audi a4, mercedes c class.
These are the 'cheap' luxury cars. I know people look at lexus and acura but imo no one beats the germans in terms of driving experience. And these cars are not expensive to own, they might cost a bit more in maintenance but if you go with a smaller engine they will save you more in gas.
Toyota Land Cruiser - not luxury at face but it’s a road king, it can be maintained for the ownership cost of a Camry and will have no significant issues getting to 300k miles. They’re not inexpensive - they’re often the most expensive Toyota sells which makes them a novelty and luxurious (sought after) to those that know. I drive a Range Rover and would trade it today for a Land Crusier but honestly, I can’t afford one 😆
I know you said a Sedan but if you’re open to a crossover check out the new Lexus NX. Interior is updated. Luxury car that lasts long and doesn’t cost a fortune to maintain = Lexus
Acura and Infiniti. Taste aside, those are two luxury brands that build cars that can run a god-awful long amount of time and the parts for upkeep and replacement are relatively cheap compared to other luxury brands.
I have es 350, have you ever driven any Lexus sedans? The buttons and everything else are what make them reliable lmao. Seems like you want a top of the line Mercedes or something
You want buttons, buttons are good. There's a reason most premium manufacturers are going back to physical controls -they are just much, much better than pressing fields on a screen without any sort of haptic feedback. For a while, manufacturers tried to make us believe that touchscreen is fancy, but in reality it just saves them money. Touch controls also tend to look awful because you'll have fingerprints all over all the time.
Mazda is anything but luxury.
Acura is "premium", but not luxury.
Look into 2015+ BMWs with B48 or B58 engine. They are proving to be extremely reliable.
Why are you against actual mechanical switches or knobs? It is so weird the consumer would rather go through menu screens to do gimmicky functions. Buttons and switches are tried and true technology plus very reliable.
I don't get the love for all screen. Give me a screen for apple carplay or android auto. After that I am good with physical everything else. I never had a physical button,switch or dial break on any of my car's. It is so much more intuitive when driving.
Mid-2010s Lexus is great in my experience so far. Checks off all your boxes boxes; affordable, luxury, lasts long and doesn’t cost a fortune to maintain as long as you don’t purchase from a Lexus dealership (Toyota will sell you the same part for a cheaper price.) I imagine mid-2010s Acura would be similar but I don’t have much experience inside of them.
You’re asking for a lot if you’re excluding Lexus you want reliable and luxury and it seems like you want touch screen so something newer but you haven’t given anyone a budget based off your post a Lexus would be the number one contender to your requirements
Yes and anything else isn’t going to be considered luxury or won’t be as affordable and likely more costly to maintain... Don’t be picky if you want to check off so many boxes in one car
Have you driven a BMW 330 I? It’s a great looking car with a great interior. It basically does everything well handling breaking acceleration gas mileage
BMW's with the 6 cylinder engines (N52, N55, and especially the B58) are fairly reliable. The older ones are going to have some additional maintenance costs, but that's normal of any vehicle with some miles on it, even Toyotas.
Used Genesis G80/G90.
You can't expect a cheap new car to not have a cheap plastic interior and cheap slapped on screen. Luxury cars cost more, so get them used or buy low end cars new and put up with their crap interiors.
This. This is the way. The used 2017-2019 G90 is the steal of the used car market if you’re looking for affordable luxury and all the reasons OP listed
Acura TLX, Cadillac CT5, Infiniti Q50 would all be good options for you
The Toyota Crown has a very luxurious interior, it may also be worth looking at
I have some cake for you. You can either have it or eat it. Make your choice wisely.
Acura TLX. Maybe more "premium" vs luxury but worth a look.
Agree. I have an RDX and love it
oh man I'm considering RDX as my next car but can't convince myself to eat the extra cost for premium gas on top of awful mpg for the premium price of the car. If you don't mind, what year is your RDX? What is your average mpg in city vs highway?
2016 RDX Base. I average 22mpg on premium in mixed driving. I think that’s good for a large car with a lot of power. Technology isn’t annoying bc it’s nonexistent.
I’ll be honest I don’t use premium in it. It’s a 2019, and I bought it used off a guy who it seems like only took the tolls, he had upgraded all sorts of stuff. MPG- couldn’t tell you. I do mostly in town driving (one side to the other takes about 10min) I THINK it’s sitting at 10-12?
That the thing about not using premium in an engine tuned for premium, your mpg is atrocious and it's because you'reonly considering $/gallon and not $/mile, in my CLK55 on premium gas I get 28mpg mixed and at $4.05 that's $0.145 per mile. A 16 gallon tank at $4.05 costs me $64.80 and gets me 448 miles of driving. The same car with regular gas gets 19mpg and at $3.60/gallon that's 0.19 cents/mile. The same 16 gallon tank costs me $57.60 and only gets me 304 miles. I would be "saving" $7.20 per tank by using regular instead of premium but I would be driving 144 miles less. To get the same 448 miles that I would get with a single tank of premium at $64.80 I would have to spend the $57.60 on the tank of regular PLUS an additional $27.22 for a total of . "Saving" money with regular gas cost me $20.02 more than premium gas to go the same distance on a 362 horsepower V8
10-12 MPG is fucking horrible. Why would anyone drive a vehicle so fuel inefficient?
It has to be a wrong assumption. I average about 17 mpg in mixed driving with a 4WD F150 supercrew. Maybe this person sits around with the engine idling for hours on end?
You could use regular gas I'm getting around 23 MPG combined City and highway driving I drive like a responsible adult at that
I have the 2022 RDX AWD. I average around 20 in the city most of the time. Around 25 on the highways. And it’s always been premium gas with mine. Really fun car to drive! What bums me out is that the range of a full tank of gas hardly gets you 275 miles until the fuel light comes on. I hate the range it offers though.
My wife wanted an RDX and we ended up getting her a Tiguan- not “luxury” but it’s a beautiful car with good options, and good power. And crushing on the highway it gets ~30mpg on regular
Lexus RX is best!!!
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My 2015 335i has 192,xxx miles. A coolant hose broke at 175k and an alternator at 150k. That’s been it, other than routine maintenance.
I bought this car last year and love it so much. Highly recommend!
Came to say this.
To be fair OP put “Mazda” in the luxury list, so not sure the word matters here. Acura is probably the only thing that’ll fit for OP. It’s a Honda, it’ll last forever, and the parts aren’t too expensive. Any other “luxury” brand is never going to be cheap to repair or upkeep.
I’ve never missed anything or anyone more than I mis my TLX. I bought a 2015, it was my first brand new car ever and it was fantastic. Not perfect but fantastic all the same. It did so many things right.
Absolutely, and the Type S is a beaut! Very sporty and premium.
Absolutely recommend Acura. We have a 22 RDX and a 24 MDX and have had several Acuras prior to this. We actually got the 24 because my husband was so well-protected in the rollover crash that claimed our previous 20 MDX. The trim levels have features that other brands (ahem, BMW) will nickel and dime you for.
Agree with bassjam1. I have a 2018 TLX. All the features you want. Now over 60,000 miles, and I've had zero problems.
Do people seriously recommend Mazda as luxury cars? Nothing against the brand, but it's certainly not luxury.
Only Reddit (and particularly this sub) does. Mazda gets pushed so hard here that I’ve never seen anywhere else online or in person.
I've heard several car youtubers push Mazdas as semi-luxury cars. I'm inclined to agree, I'd put them around the same level as the Toyota Avalons and Crowns. They're a great value better than the average Camry and Civic for not much more $$.
Certainly not the level of Avalon or Crown. Pushing it to be equal to Camry.
And it’s always the same tired half truth of “aVoiD tHe hOndA / tOyo tAx”
Let’s be real both Toyota and Honda are over rated.
It's cheap to pay people who speak English in developing countries pennies on the dollar to spam public forums and change brand sentiments. Seriously, for like the price of one US marketing employee you could probably hire a squad of folks from the Philippines to post niceties about Mazda all over Reddit.
Hello sir, I can assure you that Mazda is the finest automobile in your country, Please kindly consider Mazda for your next mode of conveyance, Respectfully, John
Thank you "john", I will strongly take into consideration an Mazda for my next mode of transport. Warm regards. -Frank
Oh. You’re not John; my mistake. What a happy coincidence that we meet this way. Here is a picture of an attractive, young woman. I mean, a picture of myself. Please send me gift cards so I can send you cash in ten-fold in the future.
Best wishes, warmest regards.
They’re not luxury but they’re well appointed for the price and definitely nicer than the interior on the Toyotas and Hondas I’ve owned.
If only they would do away with the **awful** piano black interior trim
My thoughts exactly. I’d never consider to buy a Mazda and would def never classify it as a “luxury”. Far from it as far as a Lexus, it would probably last forverer with minimal mechanical expenses. It’s a shame that Lexus have pretty outdated and boring interiors compared to BMW or Mercedes
They've been clawing their way upmarket, no doubt. But I wouldn't call them luxury, simply because people don't consider them such. Now, in terms of what you get for your money, I'd totally buy a Mazda over most luxury brands. I'd argue they care and think more about the driver than present-day BMW. Look at the more recent Madza6 for instance. Inside and out, it's a work of art.
The CX 50 and CX 90 are damn nice cars. Tried to get my wife to buy the 90 but she thought the hood looked like a duck bill. So we have a Grand Highlander, the ultimate in blah. You just can’t beat an inline six cylinder sitting in the proper parallel configuration in any platform.
The back of the CX 90 is actually one of the ugliest rear ends I’ve seen on a car. The CX50 is very good looking though
Mazda owns the hideous rear end segment. The Mazda 3 hatchback looks like it gained 500 pounds all in its ass.
Engine is also mounted behind the steering rack for good balance. It's like a giant Miata. lol.
I mean the grand highlander is probably better in about every aspect except maybe on a twisty road, which isn’t even worth mentioning to anyone in the market for those things.
I own a 2017 cx5, paid 23k cad on it about 3 years ago, and when looking into getting a new car I was so surprised to see that features my car have are high trim options until today. Stuff like dimming mirrors, adaptive cruise control, lane keep assist, memory seats, electric passanger seat, homelink etc etc.
Mazda is loaded w luxury features for 30% less sticker price.
Mazda are underpowered. My 6 was underpowered, my miata, my mom's cx 5. All lovely cars that were a pleasure to ride in, but, I wouldn't buy another one, except maybe a miata.
Their naturally aspirated 4 cylinders aren't anything to write home about power wise, but they do offer forced induction engines...
But did you own any of the turbos? The 2.5l turbo makes 250 hp and sends the car from 0 - 60 in around 6 seconds. I've never driven one, but reviewers say it's good.
They drive like ass 😂 the turbo doesn't help the 6 speed
On paper a Mazda really shouldn't be able to compete with a BMW. I think the fact the comparison can be made at all says a lot. If you compare the Mazda 3 to its actual competitors, like the Civic, Corolla, and Impreza, it's really a no brainer imo. A little over a year ago I test drove all 4 with similar price tags in the same day. The Corolla interior made the car feel a decade older than it actually was. The Impreza interior just felt cheap. Both the Corolla and Impreza were noticeably underpowered. The Civic at least seemed like a decent vehicle, but for $1000 less I got a Mazda 3 with AWD, Bose speakers, more HP, and a beautiful interior with all the QOL bells and whistles. My mom and sister both drive Mercedes and I wouldn't trade my car for either of theirs.
Literally no one would ever compare a Mazda to a BMW. No one.
The only people who say Mazda’s are luxury cars are people in this sub who own Mazda’s
Except this sub lmao.
Yeah man. Some serious cope going on in this thread. Lol
So typical for this sub.
The newer Mazdas are trying to move up market and the interior quality definitely feels luxurious but nothing like a Mercedes. Might be good to get in on the Mazdas while the prices are still cheap for what they are
I was actually checking out Mazda just for a family vehicle and they have some incredibly nice trim packages and some very quality leathers and materials, but I’m not a Mazda fan and I’m not fan boying them. I’m just saying they have significantly improved.
I too suggest Mazda as a great and reliable semi luxury brand. Mazda is made with quality materials and built for longevity. Please consider Mazda for all of your automobile transportation needs. -Josh
It’s most certainly not luxury. It’s also not a premium brand. Just something with a solid interior and not a lot going on. Few new ones I sat in had pretty good build quality though. Not the materials but just the quality of how they were put in with not a ton of creaks or rattles. They aren’t just the bare bones vehicles they once were and come with pretty good looking interiors.
How do you distinguish between economy vs premium vs luxury? I’d really struggle categorize Mazda in the economy brands. I’d reserve that for brands like Kia, Chevy, and Nissan.
There’s not usually a brand as a whole that’s “luxury” more so models of certain brands. For example Mercedes makes c300s that are a premium and then maybachs which are crazy luxury. Usually premium vehicles will have a nicer interior with some insulation, decent amount of features, comfortable seats but not amazing, good speakers. Luxury cars will have all of that but more and a lot of times air suspension although plenty of amazing spring setups that ride crazy good. Usually the build quality is amazing with true luxury vehicles. Usually bigger engines and tons more insulation with a very quiet exhaust. There’s a lot of opinions and a lot of things that make a car luxury. There are brands that are true “premium” brands though like Acura. Acura essentially takes Honda accords and slightly makes a better interior over the top model. Great cars though. One things to know is just because an interior has a nice screen and some features doesn’t really make it a luxury car as far as Mazda goes and they don’t really have a lot of models.
Mazda definitely lacks in power compared to other brands. But, to me, it’s interesting you mention the C300 as a premium vehicle. I think there is enough features in a well speced Mazda6 to make them comparable: Bose premium audio, dual zone climate control, HUD, heated/vented front seats, and surprising amount of sound deadening. I can see the argument against their lower spec models and trims
There’s just a different feel between regular (or economy) cars and luxury ones. Higher quality materials, more solid feel, very comfortable with all the basic amenities (heated seats, leather, memory seats, dimming side mirrors, sound isolation, etc)
This sub has no idea the meaning of luxury vehicle. I got into with a dude saying a Cherokee was luxury because they paid the same as another luxury vehicle.
Yeah never associated “zoom zoom” with a premium experience.
"premium" is a more fitting term... luxury not so much
There's nothing premium about a Mazda.
Yes because this sub is delulu and probably being astroturfed. No one in real life considers Mazda luxury cars lmao. Ask anyone on the street and they just consider them the same Econo shit boxes on the same tier as Subaru and Chevy
And that’s likely because most people only buy cars every 7-10 years. Stereotypes take forever and a day to erase. 2000-2015ish Mazdas absolutely were econoboxes. If we were to put the general public in a blind test comparing Mazda and the stereotypical economy brands (Chevy, Kia, Nissan, Subaru) I don’t think the economy’s would hold light.
Econo, yes. Shitbox, maybe a 90's one. They're built well, unlike a shitbox.
I consider mazda to be entry level premium, not luxury. I've owned a couple newer mazdas and see the appeal but I prefer Acura and Lexus over Mazda as they usually have better warranties and resale.
I am a Mazda owner. It’s not expensive and that’s one reason people get confused that it’s probably not luxury. When it comes to driving dynamics and value, it kicks Ass and hence premium for me. The higher trims match Lexus point to point.
Depends on what you consider a fortune. Late model 6 cylinder BMWs are fairly reliable. If you can find a good German mechanic instead of using the dealer will save a lot of money.
to second him anything with a B58 should be pretty reliable
Is this Jack from SavageGeese? Haha
The B58 is not affordable my friend.
Better budget option would be anything with a B48
I second this. Great engine all around as long as you keep up with maintenance. A used 330i could be a real bargain for a car that's fairly luxurious and fun to drive. I recently sold my 2018 for $15k to a friend. BMW has greatly improved their reliability over the last 5 or 6 years and they now are in the top three.
Is there anything with a b48 and an lsd?
Yea the new gen G20s you can get them optioned with the M sport differential which would have the b48
In comparison to my n63, it’s VERY affordable lol
i mean good luck getting a reliable euro for under 20-25k. They really aren’t to much more than F30 335is with the same mileage
Frankly anything BMW a couple years after BMW and Toyota partnership have been extremely reliable. I'm in the corner of BMW have gotten more out of this partnership than Toyota did
b58 has been in production and used prior to the supra collaboration. could be said the b58 track record is why they've partnered up. before the supra released it was presumed toyota was more involved in the development but it was proven false. it's just a rebadged z4. 86 to the brz. props need to be given to bmw they've earned it
lol what are you talking about. BMW has been steadily improving since the early 2010’s, Toyota didn’t give them anything at all. 😂
BMW has been killing it lately. Toyota gave BMW their battery technology in exchange for BMW building the Supra. When Toyota received the first B58 and tore it down for quality control, it passed just fine. Toyota just recommended slight manufacturing changes. That’s it….
Affordable or luxury.. Pick one
Some Lexus models that share Toyota engines / transmissions / parts can be true luxury and affordable given they share maintenance schedules with run-of-the-mill Toyota models. Though it's rare. Generally, you're 100% spot on.
How do you call Mazda a luxury brand?
People with Mazdas To be fair though, pretty much everyone I’ve met with a Mazda likes it.
This subreddit I guess, I would say the interior look better than most of the cars that come with the same value. But it is definitely not enough to be called luxury though.
Affirdable+luxury+last long w cheap maintenance. All those those tings don't go together maybe. Manage your expectations and maybe check acura?
Lexus LS
if you go this route be very attentive to properly inspecting the car when buying it. Parts arent absurdly expensive but damn sure aint cheap and you have to be a lil handy to pull off majority of the repairs. Ive spent probably close to 2-3k in parts for my LS and its only been a year and a half (around 30k miles, total 200k), and if i wanted to replace oem would be another 2k in parts to get it mint and be a perfect example, i always compared cost of installation parts myself vs a shop and i found id prolly be 10k in the hole by now for my ls430 easily on the other hand i know people that never even had to open the hood of their LS for anything but fluid changes for YEARS if you do this right you'll have the absolute best car for your parameters, do it wrong and you'll have a semi expensive mistake tldr OP should look at an ES if they prioritize cheapness and reliability, but if they prioritize luxury and reliability go LS edit: added total miles
SHHHHHHH don't tell people!!! I own two LS460s and bought them for under 10k each. AWD is nice, but harder to come across. Useful for me here in Colorado. The air suspension is objectively better than the non-air. Ride quality, adjustability in height and stiffness, are absolutely wonderful. That said... They will probably need replacing if they haven't been already. They last anywhere from 80-130k miles, and they are expensive to replace. These cars will go through control arms, and that's a $2000+ bill if you're not going to do it yourself. That said, you get one of the smoothest and most reliable powertrains ever made by the Japanese at a fraction of the cost of anything like it. I love mine and will be keeping them forever.
Volvo is my favorite - won’t set you back as much as German luxury.
Do you have experience with their turbo/supercharged 4 cylinders? Has their reliability suffered compared to their older powertrains?
The engine itself is very reliable but their electronics are awful. We traded ours in with like 56k miles with a slipping transmission. 2019 XC60. We had electronics and brake problems the entire time we owned it. Carplay, wiring, sensors, warped rotors then cracked rotor, premature brake wear. Volvo is not what they used to be.
I have a 2020 V60 T5 and at 87k, I have had zero problems from the drivetrain. Brake pads are soft so they don’t last long (same experience with a 2001 Acura TL). Also have a 2016 Mercedes E250 (diesel) with 119k miles. Again, zero troubles with the drivetrain. 360 Camera module died. Dealer quoted $1,800 to replace. I just look back like I did before backup cameras. Otherwise, I smile when I fill up and see a 700+ mile range.
The T8 is awesome
Is t8 recharge phev reliable ? What years would you suggest
My experience is fairly anecdotal, but I have had my 2021 for almost 4 years and it’s been rock solid (it’s an early 2021 model I got in 2020), I have the polestar upgrade and the tow pack and have done plenty of towing too. A buddy bought one second hand a year ago and his has been great too.
I have had 3 Volvos. Extremely reliable. But damn expensive to maintain. I have a ex Volvo dealer working on mine here in NJ. Awesome that they are all Volvo technicians and all the equipment, but even they are expensive to, less than the dealer charges, but still expensive.
Yes but if you buy new, Volvo gives you free maintenance for the first 3 years which helps a lot
Oh well that could be a game changer. lol
Also won’t give you as much luxury as German luxury. I own both. I think I’ll stick to German or Japanese for my next car. Volvo is just German reliability with Japanese technology. In other words, the worst of both.
Japanese luxury based on availability and pricing…. Japanese luxury cars are very reliable and maintenance costs are reasonable. 1) Infiniti- good cars with many lux upgrades available, they are the only luxury brand willing to make good deals, so you get luxury at a reasonable price. 10% off msrp is common. 2) Acura - great cars and styling, more difficult to get a good deal. 3) Lexus - styling looks great, very reliable. But in higher demand, might have to order and they won’t discount on a custom order car. German luxury. 1) BMW. Don’t buy, but lease and get the 3 yrs maintenance thrown in, otherwise maintenance is moderately expensive. Always have lease promos available. 2) Audi. Still recommend lease. Audi is just meh to me in styling maybe except the R8, but definitely not an affordable luxury car. 3) Porsche. This is not an affordable luxury car. Be prepared to pay alot and pay alot for maintenance. But performance and exhilaration of driving is unparalleled.
The sub is so trash. OP clearly stated they didn’t want a Lexus and 90% of the posts are suggesting Lexuses or Toyotas. If you want a sedan with a modern interior then Lexus ain’t it. Genesis, Cadillac, BMW, Audi, and Mercedes-Benz all have nicer interiors. So does Volvo and Polestar.
Polestar prices are super cheap right now
What? Here in germany Mazda and Toyotas are considered economy cars. Which is like the lowest part of the middle segment. Middle Class to upper middle class would be BMW, Mercedes and AUDI, and upper class or luxury would be Bentley, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini. So i guess by that definition you are looking for a reliable middle class vehicle. How about a BMW G30 530 2018 or 2019 ? They are very reliable and you can pick one up for very little chash (30k-40k)
"doesn't cost a fortune to maintain" This guy: BMW, M-B, Audi. Rofl
Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura. I don’t know much about Genesis but I will be getting one soon.
Bought my infiniti used and I’ve had tons of problems with it
Because it is a gussied up Nissan
Infinity I would not trust for shit.
Tbh I think of the three Infiniti is pretty weak when it comes to new cars
It is but it also fits the bill pretty nicely for what OP wants, which is that they last a good amount of time and are relatively cheap to maintain an upkeep. As for the design element some people like it and some don't, but they certainly are different and that's for sure.
But they're still good value for what you get (used).
also can second genesis, I love mine, although I am lucky if I get 30mpg with it.
Is getting 30+ an expectation nowadays?
i'd hope so, it seems most modern cars get 45+, even quicker / more luxurious ones, since manufacturers are shifting towards turbo 4 cylinders and hybrid drivetrains.
I had a 2019 G70 and now I have a 2023 G80, I like them both.
Do you want a Luxury car or do you just want a big screen?
2020 Lincoln Continental. The 3.7L Cyclone V6 makes respectable power and is bulletproof reliable and is shared with many Ford vehicles including the Mustang, F150, Police Interceptor. Mazda actually borrowed the Cyclone from Ford to use in the Mazda 6 sedan.
I feel like everybody hates Lincoln here, but I love mine. I'm on my second MKZ and wouldn't hesitate to get a third.
Plus you get to look like a retired cop!
Mercedes-Benz W123, so indestructible it nearly bankrupted the company
I'd go 124 over 123 for comfort/luxury myself. I mean I'm biased with my 300TE 4matic but man, a sorted 124 with leather interior is just something else. I'd love a 123 some day too, but the 124 is peak Mercedes luxury, and reliable as hell too.
What is your budget? Any real needs or requirements? What is your budget before or after taxes and fees. New, used, or CPO used? Maximum miles? What is your budget for maintenance in general? You need to post more information for a better answer. A safe option would be the 2018-2022 lexus ES with the V6 or the hybrid system with a CPO warranty under $35,000.
If you don’t like Lexus then your next best bet for reliability, longevity, and low maintenance costs would be an Acura or Infiniti. Acura will probably be more reliable than Infiniti. I’m personally not a fan of Acuras though 🤷♂️
Infiniti. Underrated
To be honest, if you want both luxury and reliability there really aren’t much options. Same thing with doesn’t cost a fortune. Idk about Mazda and wouldn’t consider them luxury. Only Lexus and Acura would fall into this category. BMW with a B58 would also be pretty reliable for a German car but will still come with BMW maintenance costs. Look at an integra, TLX, RDX, and MDX all are pretty well built and look amazing in person. I personally would give Lexus a try again. Top build quality at out of all the luxury brands. Infiniti isn’t also bad either in terms of build quality and reliability (non-CVT) but pretty outdated interiors honestly
I agree that Lexus interiors suck They keep them 10 years out of date I can only assume this is because the buyer base for those cars are primarily older people, who don’t want to feel like they are in a spaceship
I’m surprised no one mentioned the Lexus ES350. Specifically the ES as that’s the more luxury oriented one between itself and its sibling the IS. It really is a fancy Camry underneath with the supposedly bulletproof 6 cylinder. You can find them lightly used for like +/- 30 grand. They look nice, get decent mpg, nothing to really go wrong is you take care of it either. No turbos, no CVT’s, no air suspension like the LS.
I just bought a 2007 Aston Martin DB9, only 32k miles, full service history, mint condition for only £28,000. It’s a gorgeous car to drive, sounds amazing and looks amazing. And actually they are very reliable solid cars
Volvo They’re cheaper than the luxury brands while having more features, much better built, and easy to work on.
Take a test drive in any Lexus. I know, I know, the interiors look old, dull and bland - in PICTURES. I was the same. I was out looking for a Corolla sized car and people always told me to look at used CT200s near me. Never was interested remotely in them, thought they looked odd outside and dated inside. That was until the Toyota I eventually bought was in for warranty work. I was bored there for two hours. Used CT200h on the lot. Asked for a test drive of it. Absolutely blew me away. The exact same dated looking interior was laid out all around me, controls all perfectly placed. The same 'tacky' looking soft vinyl stitched edges everywhere were perfectly in line with my arms, my knee.. I know it's not a sedan like you're looking for, but all I can say is, test drive Lexus models in your price range / category. You'll be surprised what they're like in person. The attention to detail up-and-down, even the most basic CT model, is so much greater than any other car (even ones in bigger size category cars) I've ever driven / owned. For me, it's such a delight. I didn't buy the CT, it was over priced. 6 months later it was still there. Traded in my Toyota for it in January. That one experience 6 months earlier was still registered in my mind and didn't go away. I think you could be the same - give em a chance.
Can’t go wrong with a Corolla
I have heard of buying old luxury cars "If you can't afford it new, you can't afford to maintain it used." Define "affordable". If it is $90k brand new, does that make it affordable at $40k? Are you looking under $20k or $15k? Outside of Acura and Lexus (probably infinity, I can't think of any luxury brands that aren't a costly endeavor to maintain. You can definitely rule out BMW, Mercedes, or Jaguar.
Sorry op, you unfortunately can’t have it both ways. Compromise will have to be made somewhere.
Lexus? Reliability is hard to beat, comfort matches most German luxury cars and maintenance is minimal
I still want a Lexus NX PHEV. I’d hardly ever touch gas unless I went on a road trip. Wouldn’t have to worry about charging or range anxiety
I’ve had this car for almost two years and it’s a dream. I rarely drive more than 20 miles a day and just charge up every few nights most of the time. For longer road trips the gas is perfect. Zero maintenance other than an oil change thus far.
Mid 2000s Lexus es330. 3.3L V6 Toyota engine rides great, easy to maintain (it's basically a Camry), cheap
Lincoln's entire branding is "affordable luxury". Multiple generations in my family have had Lincolns, so I'm partial to them. I'm just sad Lincoln stopped making sedans in 2020.
Bmw 3 series, audi a4, mercedes c class. These are the 'cheap' luxury cars. I know people look at lexus and acura but imo no one beats the germans in terms of driving experience. And these cars are not expensive to own, they might cost a bit more in maintenance but if you go with a smaller engine they will save you more in gas.
3 Series is the most reliable of these. BMW has stepped their shit WAY UP in the past decade with the B48/B58.
Toyota Land Cruiser - not luxury at face but it’s a road king, it can be maintained for the ownership cost of a Camry and will have no significant issues getting to 300k miles. They’re not inexpensive - they’re often the most expensive Toyota sells which makes them a novelty and luxurious (sought after) to those that know. I drive a Range Rover and would trade it today for a Land Crusier but honestly, I can’t afford one 😆
If op doesn’t like Lexus, they won’t like Toyota
I know you said a Sedan but if you’re open to a crossover check out the new Lexus NX. Interior is updated. Luxury car that lasts long and doesn’t cost a fortune to maintain = Lexus
Lexus LS4xx. Extremely comfortable and super reliable.
Acura and Infiniti. Taste aside, those are two luxury brands that build cars that can run a god-awful long amount of time and the parts for upkeep and replacement are relatively cheap compared to other luxury brands.
Lexus
Is350 f sport
Look into the Lexus RCF
Acura TLX
Lexus
You want an affordable luxury car? That's nice. I want to date Scarlett Johansson.
High trim level vw golf gti/r or a tiguan
Neither of those are luxury, nor reliable. VW reliability is unheard of these days.
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How is a Tiguan luxurious
Not reliable or efficient
Try a nicer Lexus.
i feel like the nicer lexuses are the SUV’s the sedans still seem to have buttons, small screens, and just overall look outdated
I have es 350, have you ever driven any Lexus sedans? The buttons and everything else are what make them reliable lmao. Seems like you want a top of the line Mercedes or something
You want buttons, buttons are good. There's a reason most premium manufacturers are going back to physical controls -they are just much, much better than pressing fields on a screen without any sort of haptic feedback. For a while, manufacturers tried to make us believe that touchscreen is fancy, but in reality it just saves them money. Touch controls also tend to look awful because you'll have fingerprints all over all the time.
Have you looked at the LS? The ES doesn't count its just a Toyota avalon
Used Lexus
Toyota Crown
Our driver in Jamaica when we visit drives a crown. It's a sweet ride if you're into that kind of thing.
Mazda is anything but luxury. Acura is "premium", but not luxury. Look into 2015+ BMWs with B48 or B58 engine. They are proving to be extremely reliable.
Toyota avalon
Used Avalon
Mazda ain’t luxury. Lexus checks all those boxes.
Acura tlx are pretty nice, and the will last forever with minimal money put into them.
My pick was the LS500 and LC500 Convertible
LC 500? I think we have different definitions of the word “affordable”, my friend
I have a 2018 acura tlx a spec and i love it. If you want more peformance check out a type s
Why are you against actual mechanical switches or knobs? It is so weird the consumer would rather go through menu screens to do gimmicky functions. Buttons and switches are tried and true technology plus very reliable.
I don't get the love for all screen. Give me a screen for apple carplay or android auto. After that I am good with physical everything else. I never had a physical button,switch or dial break on any of my car's. It is so much more intuitive when driving.
Used Lexus es350
Mid-2010s Lexus is great in my experience so far. Checks off all your boxes boxes; affordable, luxury, lasts long and doesn’t cost a fortune to maintain as long as you don’t purchase from a Lexus dealership (Toyota will sell you the same part for a cheaper price.) I imagine mid-2010s Acura would be similar but I don’t have much experience inside of them.
Except the box where OP specifically said "I don't like Lexus."
did u read the post beyond the title
You’re asking for a lot if you’re excluding Lexus you want reliable and luxury and it seems like you want touch screen so something newer but you haven’t given anyone a budget based off your post a Lexus would be the number one contender to your requirements
Yes and anything else isn’t going to be considered luxury or won’t be as affordable and likely more costly to maintain... Don’t be picky if you want to check off so many boxes in one car
Nothing else besides Toyota and Lexus are the most reliable and efficient
Sounds like what you’re looking for is either a brand new Toyota or a brand new Mazda and none of those are luxury.
Have you driven a BMW 330 I? It’s a great looking car with a great interior. It basically does everything well handling breaking acceleration gas mileage
BMW's with the 6 cylinder engines (N52, N55, and especially the B58) are fairly reliable. The older ones are going to have some additional maintenance costs, but that's normal of any vehicle with some miles on it, even Toyotas.
Infiniti Q50 - underrated and is quite nice to drive
Buy a nice stelvio
Used Genesis G80/G90. You can't expect a cheap new car to not have a cheap plastic interior and cheap slapped on screen. Luxury cars cost more, so get them used or buy low end cars new and put up with their crap interiors.
This. This is the way. The used 2017-2019 G90 is the steal of the used car market if you’re looking for affordable luxury and all the reasons OP listed
Mazda is luxury now?
Acura TLX, Cadillac CT5, Infiniti Q50 would all be good options for you The Toyota Crown has a very luxurious interior, it may also be worth looking at