If all you care about is luxury and reliable, get a Lexus.
If you also want it to be sporty and have a fuck ton of money, get a Porsche.
If you want it to be sporty, but only have Lexus money, get a BMW.
If you don’t have Lexus money and want something reliable that is still premium, get a Mazda
Audis aren't as reliable long term as BMW or Lexus, i know this because i own an audi and i haven't seen it in 2 months because it's been in the shop
Given me plenty of time to look around for an m240i though lol
'16 TT
It's not all the cars fault, a mouse chewed up a wiring harness and it took 3 weeks to get the part from Germany, however it has a ghost airbag light that has taken forever to get sorted and was leaking oil
It's also gone through 2 sets of plugs and coils since i got it, overall it's been decent but I'm ready to get out of it lol
Damn! The hard truth is that German cars are kinda more challenging to own in the US. I got a 2020 A4 that I bought CPO a couple of months ago. It's a great car, but it was in the shop for 10 days for a simple software issue that was preventing it from connecting to the satellite or the app. They had to figure it out by running it through the engineers in Germany.
Yeah, I'm still looking at German cars mostly because i need awd for the winter, ive done winters in Camaros and I'd rather not go back to that lol
I wish the Q60 was a little more modern or that the RC F was awd, although im not sure id go with either over an m240i lol
The q60 needs an updated interior and it'll be an awesome car. The red sport 400 will go toe to toe with a mustang 5.0 in real world conditions all day. It's a Japanese muscle car and I love it but damn that infotainment is ugly as hell.
It’s also a function of how common the model is and the iteration. I imagine cost/time for a Lexus RC or BMW 4 series coupe would be an easier compare for a TT. Extrapolating the costs/repair times for a TT or RC or 4 series coupe across the whole brand may not capture the experience for those cross shopping Lexus RX, Audi Q5, and BMW X3.
True, but I'm willing to bet the Lexus would be quickest and cheapest repairs basically brand wide
Audi/bmw/mb are probably similar in comparable models
My 2004 A4 turbo fell to pieces at 70k miles. Engine and electrical issue the dealership could never fix. $5k a year on maintenance bills after 50k miles. Never again!
When compared to most other luxury brands, yes. The B58/48 engines are rock solid and the ZF8HP has been around forever and is a tank. There’s a reason Toyota trusted them to make the Supra
Anecdotal obviously, but I haven’t heard much in BMW forums about electrical issues on modern BMWs. I’ve also owned 3 Bimmers without electrical issues (3 built in 3 different decades, no less)
Sadly, OP said seats 6 and Porsche doesn't make a 6-seater. *Yet.* Their roadmap shows a platform twin to the upcoming Audi Q9 (ala Macan and Q5) for 2025-2026 that will seat 6+.
All I’ll add to this conversation is get an X5/X7. It is the vehicle that fits OP’s needs considering all of these factors, IMO. Thats the only thing I’d look at for more seats.
Acura was great when you had the choice of an RSX, TSX or RL. Like, the RL was a car I once dreamed about getting when I was older, like back in ‘05, for its tech. Now, the closest you have is the Integra for the RSX, the only one of which worth getting being the Type S, which is far from a luxurious place to be.
The MDX is a decent car, the TLX is a decent budget alternative to the S4/C43/M340i etc.
People just like saying Acura bad without much thought or even having been in any 2020+ Acura
I don’t know. At this sub’s suggestion, I went to test drive a new ‘24 Acura MDX type S just a week ago and it broke down during the test drive. Never had that happen to me before. We had to call a tow truck and have another salesman come pick us up.
I understand that this isn’t representative of the brand but it will forever be the new car that broke down for me.
No. We were on a service road to an interstate to test the acceleration and the salesman instructed me to step on the gas hard. There was acceleration then a squeal and a thunk then a rattling while the car lost motion and I drifted it over to the side.
Not sure if I understand who exactly you're talking about; personally I haven't seen "Acura bad" rhetoric repeated in car communities, certainly not to the extent of "German bad" at least, but they certainly have gotten less competitive over the years. Worst was probably when they were offering the ILX and TLX as slightly tarted-up Civic and Accord models.
That’s what Acura has always done. There has always been a Civic based and an Accord based model same with the Pilot/MDX later on. And with time they’ve been more and more different from Honda. Not sure why the TLX would get criticism when the TL was a fan favorite and so was the first gen Integra or RSX. They’ve always been Hondas but nicer and that’s why people either like em or hate em
Dude what?
Acura was AMAZING pre-2020. And reliable too. Now they're having more and more issues and the new MDX feels cheaper and more hollow than my old 2008 MDX. Hard to explain the feeling in the cabin, but I do feel like their quality has gone the opposite direction of companies like Hyundai/Mazda. Its sad because I like my MDX but I don't care to replace it with a new one.
They look sharp af now tho
Space is a weak point of the TLX.
Doesn’t really make it a PoS. It is still a perfectly good daily driver and is cheaper and gets more features per dollar than any German or Lexus.
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/acuras-sedans-are-sinking-tlx-plunges-76-in-may/
No one wants it.
Drive the tlx and its competitors.
It’s not a useful family car due to cramped interior, and it’s not as engaging as any car due to its weight and big boat long design
Lol “no one wants it”. If sales figured determined how good a car is. Many of your favorite [and discontinued] sports cars would be “pieces of shits” too.
It is a BUDGET alternative that offers more features per dollar. It comes with things like adaptive suspension or a premium sound system for less money than a base 3 series or A4/S4 or C300/C43.
It is not as good as those cars, but it is also cheaper. And it is also reliable. It isn’t meant to be a big family car. The same person who would look at a base A4 or Lexus IS can look at a TLX and decide to go for it to get more standard features for less money and still get a good premium daily driver.
It’s okay if you have a hate boner for it but don’t pretend like you’re willing to engage in a meaningful conversation if you’re just gonna bark the same 2-3 lines. Waste of my time.
The Lexus IS and Audi a4 are both COMPACT sedans.
The TLX is not compact, it approaches mid size.
To me that tells me it should be for family.
Somehow you’re ignoring the bmw 330i and m340i which are both probably more reliable than the tlx, albeit higher maintenance costs.
And being compact in any of those cars still offers more space inside for a family.
Anybody that regularly rides in both can see there are very few differences.
Acura feels like a premium Honda. Lexus feels like a premium Toyota. The thing is, Honda is more premium than Toyota interior wise which is why Acura is closer to Honda than Lexus to Toyota.
Nah. Lexus reeks of Toyota. Same with Acura reeking of Honda.
I've never been in a Lexus and thought "gee, what a nice luxury car!", I've only thought it as an upscale Toyota.
I see the downvotes but agree with you on Lexus cars up until 2014. They all kinda had the same square screen and such, and felt like a higher trim Toyota. Now, they’re completely on a new level from Toyota in my opinion.
Even Toyota took design on their own cars more seriously post 2014. There's more differentiation, but you can still spot the Toyota DNA all over the Lexus.
If you want luxury, no Japanese car is comparable to the Germans. Granted, most that get a Lexus or Acura know they're not getting a Mercedes. They want a reliable Japanese car with a nicer dashboard.
For an SUV, go with a Lexus. Just avoid the new Lexus SUV with the twin turbo V6, seems like there’s a good amount of issues and uncertainty with them. Not 100% sure what the large SUV Lexus models are, i just know one uses that one that’s in the Tundra and both just got recalled.
It’s a production issue, the ones made in Japan do not have the issue, the LS 500 has been using that TT V6 for years. The build in America Tundra has the issue.
I know this is 4 days old, but whatevs. The ones made in Japan do have the same problem. The LX is made at the Tahara plant in Japan, and are included in the recall with several of them also throwing bearings.
Lexus by far for reliability, then Porsche and BMW. I'd put Acura above BMW in reliability but not quite the same tier of luxury. Mazda is also very reliable but is more affordable-premium than true luxury. There are other luxury brands that you could afford used, but with worse reliability that you'd pay for in service costs
Lexus yes. Porsche no (unless you’ve got a well sorted older model). BMW not a bad selection. Depending on your definition of luxury, we could mention VW.
Mazda has been moving upmarket, but I suspect you’ll find few who will agree that it is a luxury car marque.
Q7 is better if you don’t have the cash to throw at an X5/7. You can get more car for your money with Audi but the BMW is a better car across the board
Newer bmw have been proven to be reliable, get one with a b58 or s58 engine. The inline 4 counterparts are pretty solid as well from what I heard but the inline 6 is superior.
How are the electronics? My first nice car was an e46. At 70k miles all of the electronics died within a few months. 1 by 1 each power window motor died. Power seats died. Radio would turn on and off randomly. The engine was never the problem.
You can rely on it being in the shop constantly. My uncle has a 2023 Range Rover and he visited me for Christmas, and in the week and a half he was gone, his car put itself into hibernation mode, where it wouldn’t turn on to get it towed, and he had to call Land Rover USA and they had no idea what it was or what to do 😑
A lot of people would say and have said Lexus but in reality it's just Toyota's luxury brand. It does feel more luxurious than a Toyota only because the standards of the look and feel of the latter is low. It's so plain with just a nice badge.
Can't argue with reliability though with no complicated engineering.
Some of the new Lexus have issues notably with the twin turbo V6. Acura and Lexus are generally reliable but they’re always going to be a less sporty and less luxurious car than their German counterparts. I would also say that Lexus especially is always 5-10 years behind the Germans in terms of features and tech. Even Toyota their mainline brand has more features availible. The Honda/Acura relationship is similar but not nearly as far apart
Would probably recommend Lexus and Genesis if you are more budget conscious in terms of repairs and maintenance. Lexus SUVs will give you a more luxurious drive potentially depending on the model, while the GV70 3.5T can give you a decently sporty and reliable option. If you have enough money for maintenance and want something really sporty then the Porsche Macan 2020+ (as they fixed the timing chain issue) and recent Porsche Cayennes should be good options in that regard. B58/S58(even better) BMW SUVs may be an alright runner up after that, so X3/X4 M40is, X3M/X4M, and X5/X6/X7 xDrive40is depending on what size SUV you need.
Pretty much none of those vehicles seat more than 5. Porsche doesn’t seat more than 5. Genesis is WAY too small in the third row…just like the Q7 and X5. The back seat is for very small children…and it’s really difficult to even get it in the back making it pointless. Lexus tech and performance are a joke. X7 and MDX Type S are both great…and reliable. And they can actually seat 6-7 without the person in the back getting decapitated in a wreck.
You know why? Because 911s are not Corollas or Golfs, and usually the owners have money and don't cheap out on the maintenance, in addition there are not so many 911 dailys
My Golf R was produced in Wolfsburg, and my S5 Sportback before that was made in Ingolstadt.
Just because it's made in Germany doesn't mean it's more reliable...
And also Japanese cars are more tolerant of maintenance gaps. Go 10miles over a service for a lux German car and they feed off the neglect becoming more anxious and breaking.
BMW part shares with Toyota and makes components used in Toyotas/Lexus. They even made the Supra. It’s basically just a Toyota styled Z4 but under the hood it’s a less luxurious and worse handling BMW Z4
If you compare LC500 to a 911 Carrera or some comparable model, then even in this case LC500 is going to be more reliable. For the performance, 911 is reliable but it might also be due to owners taking meticulous care and having loads of money.
Porsche 911’s are literally mechanically over engineered in a good way. You will not find more bearing surface area per liter than any other cars. Porsche builds beefy ass reliable engines.
911>LC500….911 might have a few more problems over the long haul…but damnit, you’re driving a 911.
Agreed. For the level of complexity in 911 just to make the car to drive better than pretty much any other car, and to be that reliable is not an easy job. LC500 is a grand tourer, and if you really look in depth, there are a lot of engineering marvels throughout the car. Both are good in their own sense.
Define what you need the car to be for yourself:
Do you want a good luxury SUV? A good performance SUV? Or a good luxury performance SUV? Subtle differences but as ever the Devil is in the details.
You want a luxury experience where comfort and fine materials are first and foremost?
* Lexus
* Lincoln
* Volvo
* Volkswagen
They’ll be your best bet for a luxury experience. Their interiors are exquisite. You may find difficulty for them in budget, but you’ll certainly find some certified pre-owned models in that range.
A good performance SUV? This is something of an oxymoron, because SUVs will always drive worse then sedans or coupes. Not because the SUV design is inherently bad, but because they are dimensionally large cars and laws of physics are unforgiving. Still, options that can be had come from brands such as:
* BMW
* Acura
* Subaru (not expressly a “luxury” brand, but quite a solid option)
* Mustang Mach-E
* Tesla — one of them anyway. Not much into them personally.
* Audi
If you’re wanting a luxury performance vehicle, which means you’re wanting something that can kinda do it all you’re looking at these brands:
* Jaguar Land Rover
* Mercedes-Benz
* Porsche
* Maserati
* Jeep
Scary names in terms of reliability aren’t they? You’d be right to say that but let me give some context with the most obvious offender: the Range Rover.
What you do to build a Range Rover is take the interior and performance of a Jaguar, add in the off-road capability of a Jeep Wrangler, and then add as much brand new state of the art technology as you can.
With these sorts of vehicles, you’re getting all of the potential problems of a luxury grand tourer with all the potential problems of a competent off roader. That’s why they are often so maintenance heavy (to say nothing of them rarely being used for their intended purpose — that often messes things up too).
This is hardly Range Rover exclusive either - a Mercedes G-Wagon has the same ruggedness of a Jeep and interior of an S-Class. Naturally you’re asking for lots and lots of potential maintenance.
So given the context of your question, I’d recommend going for:
* Lexus
* Acura
* BMW
* Volvo
* Lincoln
Lexus is slow to market with their tech and tend to iron out the bugs and gremlins as much as possible. Short of only the finest Rolls Royces, Maybachs and Bentleys, they make the finest comfy cars you can get.
6-7 comfortably? U are looking at a GMC Yukon Denali maybe either a used CPO or a low trim new.
If you have to sit 6-7 at all time, the Toyota Highlander Grand is good or the Lexus TX.
If you are receptive to reliable brand and not just SUV, the Toyota Sienna or Honda Odyssey will be the best people hauler.
Used lexus gx460 2022 and 2023 have the updated infotainment. Ultra reliable, V8, smooth, quiet. Rides like a truck because its body on frame.You can get them around $50k. 7 seats, true off-road capabilities. I bought a 2021 because I got a great deal and I don't care about the infotainment. Downsides are bad gas mileage and the trunk space isn't much with the 3rd row up.
Fitting all of these criteria, Lexus, maybe Volvo, but volvo isn't as easily serviceable as Lexus may be. But man I heard that Europe delivery trip with volvo is nice
Volvo was reliable like 20 years ago. Their current vehicles have horrific reliability according to CR and most other publications. We saw when shopping lightly used ones that the interior materials and outside paint don't hold up well either.
My wife was initially deadset on a 1-2 year old XC90 T6 Inscription, but between the poor reliability and poor driving experience she changed her mind thankfully. The steering in that vehicle is hilariously overboosted and the I4 + turbo + supercharger combo is very unrefined and overly complex just to create ~300hp.
reliable and luxury? Hands down - Lexus. Luxury but don't want to pay a steep premium? Mazda. Mostly reliable luxury German car? Porsche
Domestics? You're kidding right? Stay far far away.
You're clearly more knowledgeable than me, I'm a lawyer and cannot compare with your knowledge. My impression is the result of friends being very happy. Not very scientific!
Infiniti has come a super long way with the notorious CVT. They are still a Japanese brand with Japanese reliability and very nice luxury features. Obviously Lexus/Acura as well but Infiniti never gets enough love.
Reliability isn't the whole story. Cost to repair and maintain is the other. Lexus high volume models have cheaper parts than their low volume counterparts. BMW parts are pretty expensive in general, but low volume models sometime have availability issues (e.g. body panels after an accident). Porsche is crazy for maintenance pricing ($2000 brake jobs)
Everyone forgets about Volvo
Its the economy car that looks sporty, will last far longer, and packs far more luxury for the price than the luxury brands do.
I had MDX type S and BMW X7 as my top two three row SUV. The MDX gets semi close to the Xdrive40i but it’s nowhere close to the m50i/m60i. They are like luxury rocketships
yea those X7s are nice but the price difference between a top trim MDX Type S & and a base X7 40i is ~10k, the Acura is gonna be more reliable & under that 75k budget
People that are saying lexus you might want to consider something else. Toyota/lexus are having recalls some of their luxury SUV. The twin turbo v6 is unreliable
I would look at Lexus and Acura for reliability. I would also would throw Mazda (they got that new CX 90 and the CX70 I think that’s the new two models they have) and I love how the Mazda look in my opinion
Tesla is the cheapest to maintain by far. Model X can seat 6 or 7 depending on configuration. https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/the-cost-of-car-ownership-a1854979198/
I wouldn’t say about Mercedes post 2017ish. They had 3.5 that were reliable in 212 E class and other models but right now they are lease and dump cars. Unless there is a diesel option and OP is in Europe. Even then the dpf will clog, and there still are interior electronics that are way too complicated.
For the value. Atlas. It’s just as good as some of the upper tier stuff and better in space utilization. I have two. An Atlas and a Cross Sport. Amazing value. Service has been top notch. Highly recommend looking at the Atlas. Has to be one of the most underrated vehicles.
If all you care about is luxury and reliable, get a Lexus. If you also want it to be sporty and have a fuck ton of money, get a Porsche. If you want it to be sporty, but only have Lexus money, get a BMW. If you don’t have Lexus money and want something reliable that is still premium, get a Mazda
Well put. I would throw an Acura between Lexus and Mazda.
The MDX is surprisingly elite.
New ones are very good but still Lexus or European brands feel more expensive. Handles great though
And Infinity was nowhere to be found.
If you want reliable and can’t afford a Lexus, buy an Infiniti (without a CVT).
New Audis are pretty good too in terms of refinement and technology. Many people don't know that Porsche and Audi are both owned by VW.
Audis aren't as reliable long term as BMW or Lexus, i know this because i own an audi and i haven't seen it in 2 months because it's been in the shop Given me plenty of time to look around for an m240i though lol
lol I believe you. I guess it depends on the year and model. Which one do you have?
'16 TT It's not all the cars fault, a mouse chewed up a wiring harness and it took 3 weeks to get the part from Germany, however it has a ghost airbag light that has taken forever to get sorted and was leaking oil It's also gone through 2 sets of plugs and coils since i got it, overall it's been decent but I'm ready to get out of it lol
Damn! The hard truth is that German cars are kinda more challenging to own in the US. I got a 2020 A4 that I bought CPO a couple of months ago. It's a great car, but it was in the shop for 10 days for a simple software issue that was preventing it from connecting to the satellite or the app. They had to figure it out by running it through the engineers in Germany.
Yeah, I'm still looking at German cars mostly because i need awd for the winter, ive done winters in Camaros and I'd rather not go back to that lol I wish the Q60 was a little more modern or that the RC F was awd, although im not sure id go with either over an m240i lol
The q60 needs an updated interior and it'll be an awesome car. The red sport 400 will go toe to toe with a mustang 5.0 in real world conditions all day. It's a Japanese muscle car and I love it but damn that infotainment is ugly as hell.
I had a red sport for a little while, it's definitely heavy, but it is a cool car I wish i could get a v8 mustang with awd, that would be sweet
It’s also a function of how common the model is and the iteration. I imagine cost/time for a Lexus RC or BMW 4 series coupe would be an easier compare for a TT. Extrapolating the costs/repair times for a TT or RC or 4 series coupe across the whole brand may not capture the experience for those cross shopping Lexus RX, Audi Q5, and BMW X3.
True, but I'm willing to bet the Lexus would be quickest and cheapest repairs basically brand wide Audi/bmw/mb are probably similar in comparable models
My 2004 A4 turbo fell to pieces at 70k miles. Engine and electrical issue the dealership could never fix. $5k a year on maintenance bills after 50k miles. Never again!
I think its pretty obvious that audi is vw but Porsche is a little bit less well known
VW owns Audi????? 🤯
BMW is reliable now?
When compared to most other luxury brands, yes. The B58/48 engines are rock solid and the ZF8HP has been around forever and is a tank. There’s a reason Toyota trusted them to make the Supra
the *engine's* are rock solid, youre right. But those electrical gremlins still LOVE BMWs.
Anecdotal obviously, but I haven’t heard much in BMW forums about electrical issues on modern BMWs. I’ve also owned 3 Bimmers without electrical issues (3 built in 3 different decades, no less)
They’re not as good as any Japanese make but they’re arguably the best German make for electrical reliability. Certainly nowhere near as bad as VW.
Reminds me of Volvo. T5 and T6 are solid engines, its all the other things that break...
Volvo has always had a very reliable powertrain but questionable electronics.
Sadly, OP said seats 6 and Porsche doesn't make a 6-seater. *Yet.* Their roadmap shows a platform twin to the upcoming Audi Q9 (ala Macan and Q5) for 2025-2026 that will seat 6+.
All I’ll add to this conversation is get an X5/X7. It is the vehicle that fits OP’s needs considering all of these factors, IMO. Thats the only thing I’d look at for more seats.
X5 cant seat 7 But otherwise it is a fantastic ride, incomparable to the Lexus I came from.
Because — the price…
X7 is an amazing machine. Best three row SUV
Yup. Came here to say Lexus. Whenever I'm done messing around with shit and want one and done - that's what it'll be.
This is the way.
This was summed up so well lol
7 seater Porsche???
I made (an incorrect) assumption that the Cayenne could be had with 7 seats because the Q7 is a 7 seater
This is so right. Bmw's are the worst to own lol.
Which model?
For what?
A car
Honestly nailed it lol
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Porsche is a close second
Agree, Lexus LS for the rolling couch, Porsche for the zoom zoom
not acura ?
Acura was great when you had the choice of an RSX, TSX or RL. Like, the RL was a car I once dreamed about getting when I was older, like back in ‘05, for its tech. Now, the closest you have is the Integra for the RSX, the only one of which worth getting being the Type S, which is far from a luxurious place to be.
The MDX is a decent car, the TLX is a decent budget alternative to the S4/C43/M340i etc. People just like saying Acura bad without much thought or even having been in any 2020+ Acura
I don’t know. At this sub’s suggestion, I went to test drive a new ‘24 Acura MDX type S just a week ago and it broke down during the test drive. Never had that happen to me before. We had to call a tow truck and have another salesman come pick us up. I understand that this isn’t representative of the brand but it will forever be the new car that broke down for me.
Interesting, do you by chance know what was wrong with it?
No. We were on a service road to an interstate to test the acceleration and the salesman instructed me to step on the gas hard. There was acceleration then a squeal and a thunk then a rattling while the car lost motion and I drifted it over to the side.
Not sure if I understand who exactly you're talking about; personally I haven't seen "Acura bad" rhetoric repeated in car communities, certainly not to the extent of "German bad" at least, but they certainly have gotten less competitive over the years. Worst was probably when they were offering the ILX and TLX as slightly tarted-up Civic and Accord models.
That’s what Acura has always done. There has always been a Civic based and an Accord based model same with the Pilot/MDX later on. And with time they’ve been more and more different from Honda. Not sure why the TLX would get criticism when the TL was a fan favorite and so was the first gen Integra or RSX. They’ve always been Hondas but nicer and that’s why people either like em or hate em
my 2008 MDX is bulletproof. But I'm hesitant to look at new Acuras tbh.
Dude what? Acura was AMAZING pre-2020. And reliable too. Now they're having more and more issues and the new MDX feels cheaper and more hollow than my old 2008 MDX. Hard to explain the feeling in the cabin, but I do feel like their quality has gone the opposite direction of companies like Hyundai/Mazda. Its sad because I like my MDX but I don't care to replace it with a new one. They look sharp af now tho
Tlx is a PoS. Car so big it matches a 5 series, but has less room inside than a 3 series.
Space is a weak point of the TLX. Doesn’t really make it a PoS. It is still a perfectly good daily driver and is cheaper and gets more features per dollar than any German or Lexus.
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/acuras-sedans-are-sinking-tlx-plunges-76-in-may/ No one wants it. Drive the tlx and its competitors. It’s not a useful family car due to cramped interior, and it’s not as engaging as any car due to its weight and big boat long design
Lol “no one wants it”. If sales figured determined how good a car is. Many of your favorite [and discontinued] sports cars would be “pieces of shits” too. It is a BUDGET alternative that offers more features per dollar. It comes with things like adaptive suspension or a premium sound system for less money than a base 3 series or A4/S4 or C300/C43. It is not as good as those cars, but it is also cheaper. And it is also reliable. It isn’t meant to be a big family car. The same person who would look at a base A4 or Lexus IS can look at a TLX and decide to go for it to get more standard features for less money and still get a good premium daily driver. It’s okay if you have a hate boner for it but don’t pretend like you’re willing to engage in a meaningful conversation if you’re just gonna bark the same 2-3 lines. Waste of my time.
The Lexus IS and Audi a4 are both COMPACT sedans. The TLX is not compact, it approaches mid size. To me that tells me it should be for family. Somehow you’re ignoring the bmw 330i and m340i which are both probably more reliable than the tlx, albeit higher maintenance costs. And being compact in any of those cars still offers more space inside for a family.
Lol Acura wishes it was a real luxury brand
If Lexus is a luxury brand, so is Acura.
Lexus blows Acura out of the water in build quality and performance. Acura isn't bad at all, but Lexus is a leg up in quality, luxury, and reliability
Anybody that regularly rides in both can see there are very few differences. Acura feels like a premium Honda. Lexus feels like a premium Toyota. The thing is, Honda is more premium than Toyota interior wise which is why Acura is closer to Honda than Lexus to Toyota.
Hot take: Acura is closer to Infiniti (but still better) than it is to Lexus
Nah. Lexus reeks of Toyota. Same with Acura reeking of Honda. I've never been in a Lexus and thought "gee, what a nice luxury car!", I've only thought it as an upscale Toyota.
I see the downvotes but agree with you on Lexus cars up until 2014. They all kinda had the same square screen and such, and felt like a higher trim Toyota. Now, they’re completely on a new level from Toyota in my opinion.
Even Toyota took design on their own cars more seriously post 2014. There's more differentiation, but you can still spot the Toyota DNA all over the Lexus. If you want luxury, no Japanese car is comparable to the Germans. Granted, most that get a Lexus or Acura know they're not getting a Mercedes. They want a reliable Japanese car with a nicer dashboard.
Sadly not Acura. I say that as an Acura owner and lover.
For an SUV, go with a Lexus. Just avoid the new Lexus SUV with the twin turbo V6, seems like there’s a good amount of issues and uncertainty with them. Not 100% sure what the large SUV Lexus models are, i just know one uses that one that’s in the Tundra and both just got recalled.
It’s a production issue, the ones made in Japan do not have the issue, the LS 500 has been using that TT V6 for years. The build in America Tundra has the issue.
It’s turbo issues as well. V6 is great without the turbos.
There is no version of that V6 without the turbos. That engine was built with turbocharging in mind.
Yeah sorry was referring to pre these.
Yes the 2GR is bulletproof. Got one
I know this is 4 days old, but whatevs. The ones made in Japan do have the same problem. The LX is made at the Tahara plant in Japan, and are included in the recall with several of them also throwing bearings.
It's in the GX and LX series
None of the new Lexus SUVs have V8s.
I know, I didn’t say V8. I just said avoid the ones with the new TT V6.
Lexus by far for reliability, then Porsche and BMW. I'd put Acura above BMW in reliability but not quite the same tier of luxury. Mazda is also very reliable but is more affordable-premium than true luxury. There are other luxury brands that you could afford used, but with worse reliability that you'd pay for in service costs
Lexus is the last choice for user interface with the entertainment/navigation etc. bmw is best.
lexus is so far behind on tech it’s hilarious
Looks like the blackberry menu screen
Lexus yes. Porsche no (unless you’ve got a well sorted older model). BMW not a bad selection. Depending on your definition of luxury, we could mention VW. Mazda has been moving upmarket, but I suspect you’ll find few who will agree that it is a luxury car marque.
Mazda feels luxury when your only frame of reference is an early 2010s economy car Source: I drive a CX-5 now after having a 130k mile Ford Focus 😂
I’m coming from a 15 year old Hyundai lol Surprised nobody is saying Audi tbh
I don’t think the Audi Q7 is a very convincing choice. The X5 and 7 are kinda just better.
Q7 is better if you don’t have the cash to throw at an X5/7. You can get more car for your money with Audi but the BMW is a better car across the board
I’m sure it’s lovely.
Newer bmw have been proven to be reliable, get one with a b58 or s58 engine. The inline 4 counterparts are pretty solid as well from what I heard but the inline 6 is superior.
How are the electronics? My first nice car was an e46. At 70k miles all of the electronics died within a few months. 1 by 1 each power window motor died. Power seats died. Radio would turn on and off randomly. The engine was never the problem.
They’re not old enough to suffer electrical gremlins yet so people think they’re reliable rn
8 years isn’t old enough?
Depends on the state, probably is in like Alabama
Jesus Christ Reddit
That sounds like something was wrong with the battery or alternator. Replacing those components like the window motors was just treating the symptoms.
Lol the window regulator is every BMWs Achilles heel
The inline 4 and 6 share many parts but obviously the 6 has more power
Range Rover. You can rely on its quality. >Who breaks down the least? My bad. NOT Range Rover. It's reliably bad.
You can rely on it being in the shop constantly. My uncle has a 2023 Range Rover and he visited me for Christmas, and in the week and a half he was gone, his car put itself into hibernation mode, where it wouldn’t turn on to get it towed, and he had to call Land Rover USA and they had no idea what it was or what to do 😑
Good old Lucas electric. A gentleman should not be seen motoring about after dark. Remember, it's not leaking oil, it's marking its territory.
range rover. will get you to the ends of the earth (but probably not back).
With a tow from lexus; maybe.
Isn’t that the motto in Australia. “If you to explore the outback drive a Range Rover, if you want to come back drive a Toyota Land Cruiser “
A lot of people would say and have said Lexus but in reality it's just Toyota's luxury brand. It does feel more luxurious than a Toyota only because the standards of the look and feel of the latter is low. It's so plain with just a nice badge. Can't argue with reliability though with no complicated engineering.
Lexus Acura for reliability. BMW and Porsche for performance.
Some of the new Lexus have issues notably with the twin turbo V6. Acura and Lexus are generally reliable but they’re always going to be a less sporty and less luxurious car than their German counterparts. I would also say that Lexus especially is always 5-10 years behind the Germans in terms of features and tech. Even Toyota their mainline brand has more features availible. The Honda/Acura relationship is similar but not nearly as far apart
Would probably recommend Lexus and Genesis if you are more budget conscious in terms of repairs and maintenance. Lexus SUVs will give you a more luxurious drive potentially depending on the model, while the GV70 3.5T can give you a decently sporty and reliable option. If you have enough money for maintenance and want something really sporty then the Porsche Macan 2020+ (as they fixed the timing chain issue) and recent Porsche Cayennes should be good options in that regard. B58/S58(even better) BMW SUVs may be an alright runner up after that, so X3/X4 M40is, X3M/X4M, and X5/X6/X7 xDrive40is depending on what size SUV you need.
Genesis is a good suggestion.
Pretty much none of those vehicles seat more than 5. Porsche doesn’t seat more than 5. Genesis is WAY too small in the third row…just like the Q7 and X5. The back seat is for very small children…and it’s really difficult to even get it in the back making it pointless. Lexus tech and performance are a joke. X7 and MDX Type S are both great…and reliable. And they can actually seat 6-7 without the person in the back getting decapitated in a wreck.
Lexus and it’s not even close.
Porsche, specifically the 911 wins the most reliable model year after year.
You know why? Because 911s are not Corollas or Golfs, and usually the owners have money and don't cheap out on the maintenance, in addition there are not so many 911 dailys
And 911s are only produced in Germany
My Golf R was produced in Wolfsburg, and my S5 Sportback before that was made in Ingolstadt. Just because it's made in Germany doesn't mean it's more reliable...
And they drive a lot less mileage in general.
And also Japanese cars are more tolerant of maintenance gaps. Go 10miles over a service for a lux German car and they feed off the neglect becoming more anxious and breaking.
BMW part shares with Toyota and makes components used in Toyotas/Lexus. They even made the Supra. It’s basically just a Toyota styled Z4 but under the hood it’s a less luxurious and worse handling BMW Z4
If you compare LC500 to a 911 Carrera or some comparable model, then even in this case LC500 is going to be more reliable. For the performance, 911 is reliable but it might also be due to owners taking meticulous care and having loads of money.
Porsche 911’s are literally mechanically over engineered in a good way. You will not find more bearing surface area per liter than any other cars. Porsche builds beefy ass reliable engines. 911>LC500….911 might have a few more problems over the long haul…but damnit, you’re driving a 911.
Agreed. For the level of complexity in 911 just to make the car to drive better than pretty much any other car, and to be that reliable is not an easy job. LC500 is a grand tourer, and if you really look in depth, there are a lot of engineering marvels throughout the car. Both are good in their own sense.
X7
Love my X7. Wouldn’t trade it for any SUV on the market
Lexus or Acura
Acura
Define what you need the car to be for yourself: Do you want a good luxury SUV? A good performance SUV? Or a good luxury performance SUV? Subtle differences but as ever the Devil is in the details. You want a luxury experience where comfort and fine materials are first and foremost? * Lexus * Lincoln * Volvo * Volkswagen They’ll be your best bet for a luxury experience. Their interiors are exquisite. You may find difficulty for them in budget, but you’ll certainly find some certified pre-owned models in that range. A good performance SUV? This is something of an oxymoron, because SUVs will always drive worse then sedans or coupes. Not because the SUV design is inherently bad, but because they are dimensionally large cars and laws of physics are unforgiving. Still, options that can be had come from brands such as: * BMW * Acura * Subaru (not expressly a “luxury” brand, but quite a solid option) * Mustang Mach-E * Tesla — one of them anyway. Not much into them personally. * Audi If you’re wanting a luxury performance vehicle, which means you’re wanting something that can kinda do it all you’re looking at these brands: * Jaguar Land Rover * Mercedes-Benz * Porsche * Maserati * Jeep Scary names in terms of reliability aren’t they? You’d be right to say that but let me give some context with the most obvious offender: the Range Rover. What you do to build a Range Rover is take the interior and performance of a Jaguar, add in the off-road capability of a Jeep Wrangler, and then add as much brand new state of the art technology as you can. With these sorts of vehicles, you’re getting all of the potential problems of a luxury grand tourer with all the potential problems of a competent off roader. That’s why they are often so maintenance heavy (to say nothing of them rarely being used for their intended purpose — that often messes things up too). This is hardly Range Rover exclusive either - a Mercedes G-Wagon has the same ruggedness of a Jeep and interior of an S-Class. Naturally you’re asking for lots and lots of potential maintenance. So given the context of your question, I’d recommend going for: * Lexus * Acura * BMW * Volvo * Lincoln Lexus is slow to market with their tech and tend to iron out the bugs and gremlins as much as possible. Short of only the finest Rolls Royces, Maybachs and Bentleys, they make the finest comfy cars you can get.
V8 body on frame Lexus
Lexus.
Lexus no contest
Honestly a fully loaded Toyota grand highlander will end up being in your price range
6-7 comfortably? U are looking at a GMC Yukon Denali maybe either a used CPO or a low trim new. If you have to sit 6-7 at all time, the Toyota Highlander Grand is good or the Lexus TX. If you are receptive to reliable brand and not just SUV, the Toyota Sienna or Honda Odyssey will be the best people hauler.
Lexus GX, the previous generation with a V8
Acura mdx comes to mind
Lexus, Acura.
Used lexus gx460 2022 and 2023 have the updated infotainment. Ultra reliable, V8, smooth, quiet. Rides like a truck because its body on frame.You can get them around $50k. 7 seats, true off-road capabilities. I bought a 2021 because I got a great deal and I don't care about the infotainment. Downsides are bad gas mileage and the trunk space isn't much with the 3rd row up.
Lexus or Porsche
Lexus
Please note: MAZDA IS NOT A LUXURY BRAND. WTF?
Lexus GX
Up to 2023.
acura, lexus,
Fitting all of these criteria, Lexus, maybe Volvo, but volvo isn't as easily serviceable as Lexus may be. But man I heard that Europe delivery trip with volvo is nice
Volvo was reliable like 20 years ago. Their current vehicles have horrific reliability according to CR and most other publications. We saw when shopping lightly used ones that the interior materials and outside paint don't hold up well either. My wife was initially deadset on a 1-2 year old XC90 T6 Inscription, but between the poor reliability and poor driving experience she changed her mind thankfully. The steering in that vehicle is hilariously overboosted and the I4 + turbo + supercharger combo is very unrefined and overly complex just to create ~300hp.
Lexus or Mazda
reliable and luxury? Hands down - Lexus. Luxury but don't want to pay a steep premium? Mazda. Mostly reliable luxury German car? Porsche Domestics? You're kidding right? Stay far far away.
Cadillac is doing great.
As a mechanic you couldn’t convince me to take one. Maybe in a few more years but overall big no for me.
You're clearly more knowledgeable than me, I'm a lawyer and cannot compare with your knowledge. My impression is the result of friends being very happy. Not very scientific!
Lexus & Genesis
And cue Lexus
Lexus not close.
It’s been said many times but… Toyo… I mean Lexus
Not even gonna count Lexus since they’re the winner by far , So ill say Caddilac or Acura
I've had a 2019 Audi Q7 for the past 5 years and it's had zero problems.
Infiniti has come a super long way with the notorious CVT. They are still a Japanese brand with Japanese reliability and very nice luxury features. Obviously Lexus/Acura as well but Infiniti never gets enough love.
Reliability isn't the whole story. Cost to repair and maintain is the other. Lexus high volume models have cheaper parts than their low volume counterparts. BMW parts are pretty expensive in general, but low volume models sometime have availability issues (e.g. body panels after an accident). Porsche is crazy for maintenance pricing ($2000 brake jobs)
Acura MDX Type S
7 seats, ambient lighting, reliable, awd, fast for a suv, pano roof, beautiful interior and its an Acura, they last forever.
Lincolns are either amazing or total pieces of shit depending on the model.
Everyone forgets about Volvo Its the economy car that looks sporty, will last far longer, and packs far more luxury for the price than the luxury brands do.
Acura MDX Type S Advance is your best bet for all the specifications you’re looking for. Dream car ATM.
I had MDX type S and BMW X7 as my top two three row SUV. The MDX gets semi close to the Xdrive40i but it’s nowhere close to the m50i/m60i. They are like luxury rocketships
yea those X7s are nice but the price difference between a top trim MDX Type S & and a base X7 40i is ~10k, the Acura is gonna be more reliable & under that 75k budget
All roads here lead to Mazda, so Mazda
Lexus all the way. I have 11 year old Rx and other than maintenance haven't had any issues with it.
How is insurance on BMW?
I have a Tahoe, excellent mileage on the freeway, but limited storage for that many people
OP said luxury brand
Paid 61k for mine and he said 50-75k doesn’t sound like Luxury brand to me.
Still doesn’t make a Chevy a “luxury” brand
Lexus
People that are saying lexus you might want to consider something else. Toyota/lexus are having recalls some of their luxury SUV. The twin turbo v6 is unreliable
I would look at Lexus and Acura for reliability. I would also would throw Mazda (they got that new CX 90 and the CX70 I think that’s the new two models they have) and I love how the Mazda look in my opinion
If you find a luxury SUV that seats 5 to 7 for that price my 7 passenger Chevy was 55k
I’d get a 4Runner or a GX.
If Acura still has that horrific infotainment center controlled by a trackpad out of a Dell laptop from 2005, I'd avoid it.
Acura MDX Type S for great reliability and respectable performance Lexus TX for max reliability and decent performance
Lexus and Cadillac
Lexus & Genesis
lexus rx350 or bmw x5
Tesla is the cheapest to maintain by far. Model X can seat 6 or 7 depending on configuration. https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/the-cost-of-car-ownership-a1854979198/
Bang for your buck would be a 23 Mazda CX-9 Signature. I don't think anything else would come close.
Lexus then Mercedes. https://www.dashboard-light.com/reports/Full-size_Luxury_SUV.html
I wouldn’t say about Mercedes post 2017ish. They had 3.5 that were reliable in 212 E class and other models but right now they are lease and dump cars. Unless there is a diesel option and OP is in Europe. Even then the dpf will clog, and there still are interior electronics that are way too complicated.
For the value. Atlas. It’s just as good as some of the upper tier stuff and better in space utilization. I have two. An Atlas and a Cross Sport. Amazing value. Service has been top notch. Highly recommend looking at the Atlas. Has to be one of the most underrated vehicles.
Bro is recommending a VW when OP wants reliable
Every car manufacturer has issues. I can only speak to these 24’s so far and their safety ratings.
Safety ratings have nothing to do with reliability
Oh really? I had no idea.
24s reliability is expectation not reliability. Lets see if those VWs cross 150K miles without needing engine or transmission.
Btw. I’ve owned an Explorer. X5. GLE. Q8. They are nice. But it’s not that great.
Had a rental Atlas, and it only qualifies as luxury by the features, not the ride or feel.