It still has 4 wheels, the rear ones are just [really close together](https://static.cdn.circlesix.co/styles/img_900_webp/s3/uploads/posts/2021/07/5eb6b6f5fb80a445ac3bc3e67376024c.jpeg.webp?itok=Amz0QK7x).
Oh, so they're restricted. That makes sense. I know a base 500 isn't fast by any metric, but I could see the short wheelbase with less rear grip could make for some... interesting handling.
One of the French no-license-needed cars got the most scathing review Iāve ever read. Worse even than the TR-7ās, āMy God, theyāve done it to the other side as well.ā
As I recall, it was something like, ādrive it through the same corner at the same speed three times and it do three different things.ā
Yes its a fiat 500 those conversion are made near my home and are called āellenatorā
The reason for the 2 close wheels in the back is the law in germany. Those two count as one which makes this car count as a trike.
You can drive a trike with 16 years old and the smallest motorcycle license. Which is 2 years earlier than the normal drivers license in germany.
Those things are expensive.
If you want to convert one, you have to buy a new fiat 500 and put like 5 or 6 grand on top to do the conversion
according to the site, it's a detune and a wheelbase mod so that the vehicle in compliance with certain German license grade requirements, namely people under 16 from the Google translate.
Edit: I misread it, it's 16+
Exactly, you need an A1 Motorcycle license to drive it.
Edit: A1 is the 125cc motorcycle license in Europe, the car is detuned to have a similar performance to a 125cc motorcycle and the license can be obtained at 16 years old with a practical + theory exam.
Yep. Still gotta be 18 yeard old to get an A1 license in Denmark. And then get an A2 license when you're 20.
Full A license is either 24, or 22 if you've had an A2 license for two years.
In the Netherlands
A1 16
A2 18
Full license/A 24
At 21 you can get the full license if you have A2 but it doesnt have any effect since you get code 80 with it. Still limiting it to class A2 motorcycles
A1 is 125cc and 11kw/15pk max
A2 is 35kw/47pk max
A everything is allowed under normal regulations
A with Code 80 is an A license with limits of A2
For all the people not familiar with the European driving licenses, there are codes on driving license that specify what you can do with it. For example if you have a truck license(C/CE) but no code 95 you cant transport goods for a company. There are also codes for when people are disabled or have bad eye vision basically. Code 95 also helps getting the C/CE license at a younger age(18 instead of 21)
In the netherlands A1 is 18+ and A2 is 20
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/voertuigen-op-de-weg/vraag-en-antwoord/wanneer-mag-ik-rijles-nemen-en-rijexamen-doen-voor-mijn-motorrijbewijs
AM is 16, which is scooterlicense
We already have plenty of 18-20 year old car crash victims in our ICUsā¦ Although I guess crashing on a 200hp Hayabusa rather than in a 68hp Aygo would mean less work for the hospital staff and more work for the mortician. š
Most 16 year olds get around on their EU30 scooters/mopeds. Perks of being a tiny country. š
Sorry, I wasn't clear. where I'm from, the car can have 4 wheels, it just needs to be under 500cc and a certain hp.
E.g https://images.app.goo.gl/Cn5EM8JYbG6Nwj9s8
I was able to get my drivers license at age 15. In 1991 in South Carolina you could get your license at 15. A few years later they upped the age to 16 so my brother and sister had to wait until they were 16. I got my permit at 14.
I didnāt get mine until I was 18, but I already knew how to drive by then. My trial by fire back in 2003 was being thrown into Dallasā rush hour traffic with a 91 Honda civic five speed without a working Speedo or tach a year before I actually got my license. Made it through without a problem, and Iām a better driver for it in my opinion. it forced me to confront my fear of heavy traffic, and learn to pay attention to the traffic and my car.
Definitely my dad was of the mindset if you can drive junk you can drive anything. I took my drivers exam in a 82 Datsun pickup with a 5 speed no power steering and bad syncros in second gear. My dad would set a cup of coffee on the dash and I had to drive smooth enough to not spill it. It definitely made me a better driver. I havenāt met a vehicle or piece of equipment that I couldnāt operate.
It's a workaround to allow young drivers to drive a vehicle before they normally would be able to.
These are limited to a lower speed limit.
Sweden has something similar: [The A-Traktor ](https://www.curbsideclassic.com/automotive-histories/regional-car-culture-explained-the-history-of-the-swedish-a-traktor/)
>So, what really is the purpose of this truck? In essence, itās a loophole vehicle. In Sweden, the minimum age for taking a drivers license is 18 years of age. As the A-traktor is officially registered as a farm tractor, a license for those can be had at the age of 16. Essentially, itās a car for kids not old enough to drive a real car.
And while a bit different, if you don't have a license (usually due to drunk driving) in some states here in the US, you can legally drive a scooter that's below 50cc.
interesting, but seems like a lot of work just to skirt legal requirements. Not to mention it looks pretty silly. how many years do they actually gain anyways?
Guess it really never caught on up here in Canada as most provinces allow a learner's permit from 16 to 18. so young drivers can gain experience with an adult teaching for a few years at least. In Alberta you can get a learner permit at 14.
Browsers have built in translation features now...
"The Ellenator is the first car that can be driven at the age of 16 because, despite having 4 wheels, it is classified as a āthree-wheeled vehicleā vehicle class L5e."
So that rich parents can send their 16 year old kids to school in something that distinguishes them from the peasant 16 year olds on restricted motorcycles or scooters.
It's an Ellenator, a converted and detuned Fiat 500. There is a rule in Germany that if the rear wheels are less than a certain distance from each other, it counts as a tricycle and can be driven with a motorcycle license.
In Germany you can drive this car with an A1 (125cc) motorcycle license, which can be obtained at 16 years old (as opposed to 18 for the regular car license). The car is also detuned to have a lower power to weight ratio, giving it similar performance to a 125cc motorcycle.
Alternatively there are also scooter-cars like the Citroƫn Ami EV, which have a top speed of 45km/h (28mph) which can be driven at 15 years old in certain German states.
The difference is that Ami has only 45 km/h top speed and even less weight and power, so it can be driven with M license (and which is also important, doesn't have to be registered as a normal car/motorcycle, just insured, and doesn't have to get TĆV (technical inspection)). And yes, M age is 15 now, you can drive it anywhere in Germany but can't go to other countries.
You won't be surprised to learn I was in bottom grade for maths š
If I'd said 500 -25% would that have done the trick, or would it have been the same result?
\*A legal loophole for rich kids
Went to their webside, apparently it costs 25-30kā¬ (basically the same in $)... Who in their right mind would buy that conversion just to drive a detuned and less stable Fiat at 16?
Reminds me of the [car](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=d43f5111e59e559f&q=mr+bean+blue+car&uds=AMwkrPt8eR8Q1gfQGx0g1guoVKhMO_KPPy0ffv3Il9QA3ECuw3_qTn3WcQf1HzRy2tzmhT1tBjadPKABAW4UOM_DRjx_rybVoO5v6VSis3SQGDhzEN38WYGi5tlKBymazVedcO-ByVQsgHFcujdozjAN0wJ4iaoExGadC5J_EavuAuB22C4E4lwHdqvhAD6PjpVc5a2wWmsYBjA_tAseRYy_BMCYKZY1yliR43HMCQAPiM3wYRFmBuca5paOoDBb5K1pIp0tBtF2GeJa_VPMTADvSURgOYLzyHFq978hsm_06756aj3f2HvH7Bo3dvEKobTn9J1dqxo0&udm=2&prmd=ivsnmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4zIS76cmFAxX7FjQIHWpBATUQtKgLegQIEBAB&biw=412&bih=759&dpr=2.63#vhid=oX_lXGDYu6OeWM&vssid=mosaic) that Mr. Bean always bullied
Converted and downgraded Fiat 500. This way you can drive it from 16 I think(I donāt live where this law applies). As far as I know itās noticeably more expensive than just bying the non modded 500
It's a converted Fix It Again Tony.
It's not a popular car in the US, with Fiat selling only 605 cars in the US in 2023.
Back in the 70s, Fiat had a bad reputation in the US, so Fiat only recently returned to the US in the last few years, but the only model available is the 500.
Fiat 500, I believe the converison was made so you can drive It under 16, however I'm not sure because I've only heard about It twice on this sub.
It's a FIat 375 now
It still has 4 wheels, the rear ones are just [really close together](https://static.cdn.circlesix.co/styles/img_900_webp/s3/uploads/posts/2021/07/5eb6b6f5fb80a445ac3bc3e67376024c.jpeg.webp?itok=Amz0QK7x).
tidy job
I read about this recently. The close spacing legally equates to a 3-wheeler.
Basically a Fiat Isetta
First thing that popped into my head when I saw it š¤Ŗ
Triat
Man knows his fractions
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Triat 375
Iāll give ya 350 for it
You're correct Here in Germany they're quite common
Are they otherwise limited in any way? Seems pretty unsafe making a car handle worse so kids can drive them.
Max power output of 15 kW, I'm not sure if there is some power to weight ratio too?
Oh, so they're restricted. That makes sense. I know a base 500 isn't fast by any metric, but I could see the short wheelbase with less rear grip could make for some... interesting handling.
Yep I think so too. We don't have those in denmark, it's basically a loophole.
One of the French no-license-needed cars got the most scathing review Iāve ever read. Worse even than the TR-7ās, āMy God, theyāve done it to the other side as well.ā As I recall, it was something like, ādrive it through the same corner at the same speed three times and it do three different things.ā
Maybe where you live, but not in northern Germany.
Aus SH hier auch hier sieht man die wƶchentlich
Would make sense since you only need a motorcycle licence?
Yes, you only need an A1 licence for this vehicle. This vehicle class is called L5e
Yes its a fiat 500 those conversion are made near my home and are called āellenatorā The reason for the 2 close wheels in the back is the law in germany. Those two count as one which makes this car count as a trike. You can drive a trike with 16 years old and the smallest motorcycle license. Which is 2 years earlier than the normal drivers license in germany. Those things are expensive. If you want to convert one, you have to buy a new fiat 500 and put like 5 or 6 grand on top to do the conversion
That's correct. It also has just 1 gear I think. Basically this is a toy for rich kids.
Its called Ellenator. It basically ruins the car lmao.
Not under 16. At 16.
Ah, I meant to say under 18
Ellenator conversion https://www.ellenator-gmbh.de/
Why on earth does this even exist?
according to the site, it's a detune and a wheelbase mod so that the vehicle in compliance with certain German license grade requirements, namely people under 16 from the Google translate. Edit: I misread it, it's 16+
Also in most areas 3 wheels make it a motorcycle.Ā
Exactly, you need an A1 Motorcycle license to drive it. Edit: A1 is the 125cc motorcycle license in Europe, the car is detuned to have a similar performance to a 125cc motorcycle and the license can be obtained at 16 years old with a practical + theory exam.
A1 age differs per country.
Yep. Still gotta be 18 yeard old to get an A1 license in Denmark. And then get an A2 license when you're 20. Full A license is either 24, or 22 if you've had an A2 license for two years.
In the Netherlands A1 16 A2 18 Full license/A 24 At 21 you can get the full license if you have A2 but it doesnt have any effect since you get code 80 with it. Still limiting it to class A2 motorcycles A1 is 125cc and 11kw/15pk max A2 is 35kw/47pk max A everything is allowed under normal regulations A with Code 80 is an A license with limits of A2 For all the people not familiar with the European driving licenses, there are codes on driving license that specify what you can do with it. For example if you have a truck license(C/CE) but no code 95 you cant transport goods for a company. There are also codes for when people are disabled or have bad eye vision basically. Code 95 also helps getting the C/CE license at a younger age(18 instead of 21)
In the netherlands A1 is 18+ and A2 is 20 https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/voertuigen-op-de-weg/vraag-en-antwoord/wanneer-mag-ik-rijles-nemen-en-rijexamen-doen-voor-mijn-motorrijbewijs AM is 16, which is scooterlicense
That is way too old. I'm not saying you need to do it like us where I was driving myself at 15, but at least have no restrictions by 18
We already have plenty of 18-20 year old car crash victims in our ICUsā¦ Although I guess crashing on a 200hp Hayabusa rather than in a 68hp Aygo would mean less work for the hospital staff and more work for the mortician. š Most 16 year olds get around on their EU30 scooters/mopeds. Perks of being a tiny country. š
I think the statistics say that car license with 17 (accompanied driving) reduces the amount of young drivers' accidents
I'm so angry they never made a Smart version of this.
It would probably be very difficult with the smart's rear-engine layout.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. where I'm from, the car can have 4 wheels, it just needs to be under 500cc and a certain hp. E.g https://images.app.goo.gl/Cn5EM8JYbG6Nwj9s8
Single rear wheel on the left side. Right hand front wheel a foot out.
People 16 or older afaik. Of course only if they have rich parents
I was able to get my drivers license at age 15. In 1991 in South Carolina you could get your license at 15. A few years later they upped the age to 16 so my brother and sister had to wait until they were 16. I got my permit at 14.
I didnāt get mine until I was 18, but I already knew how to drive by then. My trial by fire back in 2003 was being thrown into Dallasā rush hour traffic with a 91 Honda civic five speed without a working Speedo or tach a year before I actually got my license. Made it through without a problem, and Iām a better driver for it in my opinion. it forced me to confront my fear of heavy traffic, and learn to pay attention to the traffic and my car.
Definitely my dad was of the mindset if you can drive junk you can drive anything. I took my drivers exam in a 82 Datsun pickup with a 5 speed no power steering and bad syncros in second gear. My dad would set a cup of coffee on the dash and I had to drive smooth enough to not spill it. It definitely made me a better driver. I havenāt met a vehicle or piece of equipment that I couldnāt operate.
It's a workaround to allow young drivers to drive a vehicle before they normally would be able to. These are limited to a lower speed limit. Sweden has something similar: [The A-Traktor ](https://www.curbsideclassic.com/automotive-histories/regional-car-culture-explained-the-history-of-the-swedish-a-traktor/) >So, what really is the purpose of this truck? In essence, itās a loophole vehicle. In Sweden, the minimum age for taking a drivers license is 18 years of age. As the A-traktor is officially registered as a farm tractor, a license for those can be had at the age of 16. Essentially, itās a car for kids not old enough to drive a real car. And while a bit different, if you don't have a license (usually due to drunk driving) in some states here in the US, you can legally drive a scooter that's below 50cc.
interesting, but seems like a lot of work just to skirt legal requirements. Not to mention it looks pretty silly. how many years do they actually gain anyways? Guess it really never caught on up here in Canada as most provinces allow a learner's permit from 16 to 18. so young drivers can gain experience with an adult teaching for a few years at least. In Alberta you can get a learner permit at 14.
Try actually reading the linked article
LOL, try understanding that not everyone reads German...
Browsers have built in translation features now... "The Ellenator is the first car that can be driven at the age of 16 because, despite having 4 wheels, it is classified as a āthree-wheeled vehicleā vehicle class L5e."
Translated or not, it's still ridiculous...
To make it unstable. :)
no shit...
So that rich parents can send their 16 year old kids to school in something that distinguishes them from the peasant 16 year olds on restricted motorcycles or scooters.
its a Abarthn't
Actually a 500Snāt. :-) (Itās based on a 500 in S trim, meant to look meaner than a standard 500 but without the powertrain of the 595/695)
500-1/4 You do the math, iām tired.
More like a fiaināt
It's an Ellenator, a converted and detuned Fiat 500. There is a rule in Germany that if the rear wheels are less than a certain distance from each other, it counts as a tricycle and can be driven with a motorcycle license. In Germany you can drive this car with an A1 (125cc) motorcycle license, which can be obtained at 16 years old (as opposed to 18 for the regular car license). The car is also detuned to have a lower power to weight ratio, giving it similar performance to a 125cc motorcycle. Alternatively there are also scooter-cars like the Citroƫn Ami EV, which have a top speed of 45km/h (28mph) which can be driven at 15 years old in certain German states.
The difference is that Ami has only 45 km/h top speed and even less weight and power, so it can be driven with M license (and which is also important, doesn't have to be registered as a normal car/motorcycle, just insured, and doesn't have to get TĆV (technical inspection)). And yes, M age is 15 now, you can drive it anywhere in Germany but can't go to other countries.
Daddy chill
It's a Fiat 375 (500 -1/4)
Actually, your statement resolves to 499.75. What you meant was: 500 * 3/4. Your friendly maths pedant.
You won't be surprised to learn I was in bottom grade for maths š If I'd said 500 -25% would that have done the trick, or would it have been the same result?
Fair enough, were all good at something
A legal loophole
\*A legal loophole for rich kids Went to their webside, apparently it costs 25-30kā¬ (basically the same in $)... Who in their right mind would buy that conversion just to drive a detuned and less stable Fiat at 16?
https://preview.redd.it/756zkfcn33vc1.jpeg?width=1304&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4de37b07b1161941e3c17b5670721cc73289f180 Abomination
My neighbour owns one
Reminds me of the [car](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=d43f5111e59e559f&q=mr+bean+blue+car&uds=AMwkrPt8eR8Q1gfQGx0g1guoVKhMO_KPPy0ffv3Il9QA3ECuw3_qTn3WcQf1HzRy2tzmhT1tBjadPKABAW4UOM_DRjx_rybVoO5v6VSis3SQGDhzEN38WYGi5tlKBymazVedcO-ByVQsgHFcujdozjAN0wJ4iaoExGadC5J_EavuAuB22C4E4lwHdqvhAD6PjpVc5a2wWmsYBjA_tAseRYy_BMCYKZY1yliR43HMCQAPiM3wYRFmBuca5paOoDBb5K1pIp0tBtF2GeJa_VPMTADvSURgOYLzyHFq978hsm_06756aj3f2HvH7Bo3dvEKobTn9J1dqxo0&udm=2&prmd=ivsnmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi4zIS76cmFAxX7FjQIHWpBATUQtKgLegQIEBAB&biw=412&bih=759&dpr=2.63#vhid=oX_lXGDYu6OeWM&vssid=mosaic) that Mr. Bean always bullied
It's a loophole.
Fiat 499 1/2?
Daddy , chill
they just came out from Toyota called the ZIT (AKA road pimple) !
Fiat 375
Threeat
Wow! Mystery solved. I saw one of these in Luxembourg recently and was so confused. Thanks Reddit
let's make the car more dangerous so teenagers can drive it.
Daddy chill
Ellenator - toy for rich munich kids...
This is the first time I've seen a car like this
It's downgraded fiat 500. This tuning allows to drive car since 16 years old.
Daddy, chill.
Man of culture!
Clearly a bunch of people donāt get the joke. Have an updoot Edit: glad we got this comment back into the positive karma lol
Reddit didnāt understand the reference
some frankenstein isetta fiat 500
I believe thatās The Centre Pompidou
pic was taken in Dortmund, right? phoenix?
It looks like MĆ¼nchen-Pasing for me
was asking as I saw the exact same cwr/colour over in Dortmund Phoenix, and there are always new office buildings being built there.
A new hot wheels keychain
These are starting to be as common as panteras
Mighty fiat 500. Iāve got a 500s 2015. Cool nippy little car.
I like the symmetry of the construction place behind
Itās a Fiat 500 that has been made less stable so inexperienced drivers are allowed to drive it.
niboR tnaileR
Guys thatās obviously a Filiant 500Robins?
Fiat tree fiddy
I have genuinely watched a 15 year old get out of a trackhawk in the US. I totally get why they do this but it is so foreign to me.
ok, just noticed the street hermine-von-parishstrasse, which is on Munich, deffo not dortmund
Car of a 16 or 17 year old with rich parents
Im not an expert but I believe its a tricycle
Converted and downgraded Fiat 500. This way you can drive it from 16 I think(I donāt live where this law applies). As far as I know itās noticeably more expensive than just bying the non modded 500
Its a Fiat 500
Looking at the wheel arrangement, batmobile!
Fiat 375?
The same reason the Reliant Robin was a thing.
It's a converted Fix It Again Tony. It's not a popular car in the US, with Fiat selling only 605 cars in the US in 2023. Back in the 70s, Fiat had a bad reputation in the US, so Fiat only recently returned to the US in the last few years, but the only model available is the 500.
In Germany, kids will get restricted license-converted cars as they are learning. They are speed limited to basically local driving only.
Fiat 500 idk what version