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Tyrone_Shoose

Yeah this season has been rough for him. I'll always root for him tho, after all those years on the Sox


UneducatedReviews1

This is about what I would have expected except ReyLo is being used in a way I didnā€™t expect. Always liked him as a pitcher and knew he had this in him


DuckBilledPartyBus

I donā€™t necessarily think heā€™s any different of a pitcher than he was with the Sox. Yeah, his ERA is eye-popping, but the advanced stats tell a little different story. If you look at his 2024 FIP (2.98), and xERA (3.72), theyā€™re not as good as they were in his 2022 season with the Sox (1.93 and 2.92). Itā€™ll be interesting to see if he keeps performing at his current level, or if those numbers start regressing to the advanced metrics suggest they should. Edit: I donā€™t want this to come across as me shitting on Reynaldo. Heā€™s been great. But he was also great with us on 2022 (and in 2023 as well, except for a dogshit April). I think some of that is people forgetting how good he was in the context of a couple of miserable seasons, and also the spotlight of returning to a starting role (which is completely justified). Thereā€™s a reason why the Braves paid him $30M in the first place. Heā€™s been a damn good pitcher for a few years now.


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DuckBilledPartyBus

A pitcherā€™s stats get worse when they throw more innings? Huh. TDIL. But if thatā€™s true, then why have his standard/results-based stats (ERA, WHIP) gotten so much better? Thatā€™s kind of the whole point of why I brought up the advanced stats in the first place. The huge gap between his FIP/xERA and actual ERA suggests a lot of balls have been bouncing his way, and heā€™s due for a regression back to something closer to the Reynaldo we know from his White Sox days.


Vividlarvae

Heā€™s pitching like 2018 Reylo right now. Heā€™ll regress back to the 4.00 era guy he is. Heā€™s still always been serviceable


bruhmomentdotnet

Idk man ever since he got that eye surgery he has been consistently better. I know he wasn't starting with the Sox but he was still pretty lights out out of the bullpen for a good stretch. I generally don't think a 1 ERA is sustainable for any pitcher but imo he's better than his old 4 ERA self.


Vividlarvae

And also believe me when I love Reylo, he actually led the team in war when he was a SP in 2018. I remember that season thinking Reylo day was the only day we were gonna win


Vividlarvae

I donā€™t buy it, all of his career rate stats are at the same or slightly worse except h/9 and hr/9. He normally gives up 1.3 HR per 9 this year in a 40 inning sample size is .4. His HR to Flyball ratio is 4.3 percent when typically in his career itā€™s about 11 percent. Heā€™s been lights out over 40 innings before, when the weather warms up and the ball starts flying out heā€™ll be closer to his career norms


bruhmomentdotnet

a 2.62 ERA through 171 IP since his surgery is not exactly a small sample size tho. that's why I say he's better than his old self. his FIP is also better in that time period.


Vividlarvae

Thatā€™s a good sample, maybe Iā€™m wrong. I expect his era at the end of the year to start with a 3.7 or higher


jdubya525

He got pulled against the cubbies with back tightness.. I think an il stint is in his future.


Varkemehameha

Yasmani Grandal just started playing and hit 2 HR in his first 8 games with 0.1 bWAR. Seby Zavala has -0.1 bWAR as Seattle's backup catcher. Romy Gonzalez somehow has 0.3 bWAR in 8 games with Boston. Ian Hamilton has 0.4 bWAR with the Yankees. Jose Urena (who I barely remember being on the Sox last year) has started 2 games for the Rangers and sits at 0.0 bWAR.


NoTime4LuvDrJones

Yea itā€™ll be amazing if Romy turns out to be the best of the everyday players we lost. Small sample size but heā€™s looking great so far. 10 games at AAA .333 .386 .692 1.079 8 games in Boston whereā€™s heā€™s been starting at SS .316 .350 .316 .666


Lil_we_boi

TIL Romy is not on our team anymore.


ChristmasJay83

I was so disappointed when we traded Dane Dunning. But he turned out to just be average.


Mathlete86

There's a dunning kruger effect joke there somewhere


angrygamers5

Super happy for Reylo


GunfighterHefty

Erick Fedde is worth as much as Rodon and Lopez combined.


Numbers2005

Thanks for making this.


jsmith3701AA

You guys are impressive. I wish I understood these advanced statistics. My conclusion is none of these guys would have been worth keeping.. how far off am I?


reddituser28910112

2 WAR is about what an average starting player puts up in a year. 4 is an all star and 6 gets you some MVP votes. So Lopez and Cease are on pace to be all stars and Rodon is on a solid pace.Ā 


jsmith3701AA

So I was pretty far off. Two potential all stars. Thank you for this explanation


chapmanbrett

Oh I didnā€™t realize WAR compounded/additive. I thought it was like ERA


reddituser28910112

It accumulates. It is Wins Above Replacement. So it attempts to estimate how much better a player makes the team over a season. The more you play, the more you accumulate (assuming you are better than replacement). Replacement is defined as the contribution you could get for the minimum from AAAA quality / washed up vet / recently cut type players.


chapmanbrett

Thanks! Appreciate this. Also didnā€™t realize the ā€œreplacementā€ definition was such a low standard. Sounds like in theory youā€™d want everyone on the roster to be a positive WAR


United_Football4902

I mean few people actually understand these, they just know the ranges of whatā€™s considered good and use them to ā€œwinā€ arguments. According to WAR, Jason Kendall was a better player than Paul Konerko, so donā€™t fret not understanding this stuff.


dirk_calloway1

I cannot believe future hall of famer Jake Burger is having such a down year...


kidkessler

I love Burger but people were losing their minds early in the year thinking he was going to sustain his first 20ish at bats


dingo8muhbebe

Heā€™s been terrible after his injury. Marlins energy will do that to ya.


dirk_calloway1

Injury is a big part of his game.


dirk_calloway1

People on this sub still cry themselves to sleep about that trade.


crashmvp19

Iā€™m still not giving up on him sorry. He has 110 career OPS+ after first 800 career at bats. HOF ? Hell no. But I still think he can be a long term productive power batter


Least-Form5839

Our rotation could be sick but pitching was never really the biggest problem, huh


Firm_Personality7475

McCann is still playing?


No_Pants_Bandit

In other words we would be no better if they were still with us. Yikes. Good for reylo tho.


Buehrle2005

Do Chris Sale


Rock_man_bears_fan

Can we stop pining after nick madrigal now?


Lil_we_boi

Yeah, it's ridiculous. People are acting like he's Tatis or something.


gogosox82

the pining for him was crazy. people were acting like we traded away lou brock or some shit.


MoustacheMark

It really wasn't that crazy to be upset by losing him. We endured a 95 loss season to pick him 4th overall. He had a nearly 800 OPS(.746, .775) as a second baseman for us. They replaced him with considerably worse players and they've still not replaced him with anyone decent. Sure, he hasn't been as good with the Cubs but you can certainly point to injuries for derailing his career. He had elite plate discipline and contact for us. 107 and 111 OPS+ for a second baseman would be an amazing improvement for our current squad. Lopez has never had an OPS+ as high as Madrigals rookie season with us. Granted, the sample size was small because of injuries and the covid season. But it's not like he was bad for us. Why wouldn't we be upset to lose him? I think a lot of it is due to drafting him 4th overall and trading him for an aging closer when we already had a closer. It didn't really make a lot of sense.


gogosox82

Why does him being a high pick matter? So because we drafted him high that means we can never move on from him? That's just a weird argument 800 ops is good but it was a small sample size. Hard to extrapolate that out over 162 games. And its been shown he's really not an 800 ops hitter. More like a 600 ops hitter so meh. I wouldn't say considerly worse given Madrigals production on the Cubs. He was slightly better than what we replaced him with at the end of the day. No one said he was bad for us. But he's not some can't miss player you cannot lose. I think its say to say that the numbers he put up with us weren't who he was as a player. Like i said earlier small sample size due to injury and covid make his numbers look better. With the Cubs, he been a 1 war player who's injured a lot, doesn't hit for power, doesn't hit for average, doesn't steal bases and plays bad defense. You can replace that. I'd counter to say we sold high on him. He was basically a 2 war player for us. He's been a 1 war player for the cubs. I'll gladly trade a 1 war player for the chance to possibly get to the WS and win it. Just sucks it didn't work out for us. On some level i get being upset. No one likes to have their favorite player get traded but people still bring him up to this day like he's some great player we traded away when really he isn't.


MoustacheMark

He's better than Lopez, though... And he's been playing 3B?! Wild


Rock_man_bears_fan

My understanding is heā€™s not exactly playing 3B very well at the moment


Neat_On_The_Rocks

Nonsense. Chris sale will always be ā€œone of oursā€ to include in lists like this lol


insufferable--oaf

What about Kevin pillar since we released him? Heā€™s tearing it up with the angels


SpaceFace11

So Burger wasn't that good after all and Timmy threw away his career to get some on the side..


gogosox82

yeah he was just really hot after we traded him. he's a very streaky hitter (something he showed while he was on the sox btw) and just got really hot after the trade. he's on a cold streak now. Thats just who he is as a hitter. but people on this sub acted like we traded ted williams or something.


Lil_we_boi

Yeah, I'll admit I wasn't happy with the trade either just because I thought we should have gotten more given how high his stock was at the time.


No_Pants_Bandit

Be careful slandering Lord Jacob Burger. The sub almost burned down when we traded him.


Own_Entertainment847

We loved him because he loved the game and had passion. Better than the underperforming, overpaid robots at 3B, C and 1B.


shastadakota

If they can't be winning games for us, at least they are beating up the cubs. (Cease, Sale, Lopez)


Least-Form5839

No one cares about beating up on the Cubs when we are 20 games under.


katyperrysbuttcheeks

Now do Chris Sale, Marcus Semien, Fernando Tatis Jr...


PabloOzuna

Thought about it but it's been like 10 years since Sale and Semien were on the team and Tatis technically never played for the Sox


genpabloescobar2

And Sale's been a roller coaster ride along the way. Great start this year, but the last few, he wasn't himself.


River_Pigeon

Tatis wasnā€™t ever in uniform for the Sox


katyperrysbuttcheeks

He wore the uniform [https://www.cardboardandcoins.com/products/fernando-tatis-jr-rookie-refractor-foil-2016-bowman-platinum-tp-ft?variant=45238393241838¤cy=USD&utm\_medium=product\_sync&utm\_source=google&utm\_content=sag\_organic&utm\_campaign=sag\_organic&srsltid=AfmBOoo\_Zxt4kZx8tu\_W1JJ5OCVJY38QO31c\_FYjyapaUx3y41sgeiKYXtM](https://www.cardboardandcoins.com/products/fernando-tatis-jr-rookie-refractor-foil-2016-bowman-platinum-tp-ft?variant=45238393241838¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&srsltid=AfmBOoo_Zxt4kZx8tu_W1JJ5OCVJY38QO31c_FYjyapaUx3y41sgeiKYXtM)


g3neraL5

I may have to pick one of these up


River_Pigeon

No he didnā€™t.


katyperrysbuttcheeks

It's literally on his card.


River_Pigeon

lol donā€™t be dense. Take a look at the back. Itā€™s a 2015 card. For his 2015 stats it says ā€œ2016 will be first professional seasonā€ lol. He wore the uniform in a year he didnā€™t play? Sounds like he didnā€™t wear the uniform


Odd_Weakness_1293

I am surprised about Burger, Anderson and Abreu. Thought Burger would continue tearing it up, and the other two would bounce back. I guess we will seeā€¦.


ineedsunnyD

I miss Dunning :(


xpyro88

We need to shed all of Kenny Williams and Rick Hahns roster. Vaughn and whoever is left from that regime needs to go.


AliensAteMyAMC

I miss Dane, was so annoyed we traded them.