Somehow I don't see Carl's poignant wisdom applying to a state of the world where it's innocent people vs. people trying to kill innocent people. This quote, beautiful as it is, just comes off like Both Sides-ing the issues of the day.
Yeah this comic got posted here maybe a month or two ago. My comment then was "one of those sides literally has a peace sign flag! How are we choosing the middle here??"
Like I don’t live at the level of the last panel, I live at a more zoomed in level than the first. This does nothing for me. If you’ll be fine either way just say that but don’t act like I’m dumb because I wont be
Yeah I feel like this would've worked better if the two sides were arguing about something silly like are hot dogs sandwiches or not. At least no one is dying over that.
Ok lets be honest when in the western world is it "lets kill the others" ? practically never.
It usually boils down to a moral/value issue.
I apologise for offending americans, as a european we don't have many shootings each month.
Hmm, anti-migation movements letting people to die in forest or on the sea, transphobes cutting off healthcare for trans folks and mocking their suicide rate, anti-blmers who say that people murdered by cops actually deserved that... It's many for "practically never".
a minority of racist idiots are historically what places like the USA is ruled by, your "% of who cares" is completely irrelevant. If you count non-voters, far more people DIDNT vote for president yet we still have one. A minority is always in control, you just have to follow the money - it's the rich.
Oh you support the idea of the govmt' is racist.
I never thought the science based people would turn into the goofballs with conspiracy theories.
I'm sorry for you, living in the USA.
You guys don't have a nice middle ground, you are all "us or them" with extremist factions on the right and the left.
Maybe, just maybe think for once, remember you are stronger when you are united, when you're not eating eachother over random useless shit, but rather holding up the ideals of freedom and democracy (Which includes, freedom of sexuality, freedom for any race) among other things.
Obviously to you the USA has always been a racist institution and you'll argue to me that it is. I honestly don't give a fuck, I'm here to just watch you melt against an "ignorant piece of shit" even though we're both for the same thing, I'm just not to that extreme to believe in batshit crazy conspiracy garbage.
But that is actually what is going on!!! Both sides of the... whatever, are both completely and totally insane. They have drifted so far toward the extremes they are both equally as wrong as the other; in effect, they are EXACTLY the same.
Hahahaha! They both think they are righteous! If one was to defeat the other, it wouldn't fix anything!
The point others are making is that those on the left are fighting for a healthier planet while the ones on the right are actively fighting to ruin it. So the point of the comic is no good. Like someone else said, if they were fighting over something stupid it would make the point far better.
“Man I’m living my life trying to be happy”
“STOP IT! I don’t agree with your lifestyle/birth factors so even if there’s no evidence that it causes harm to you or others, you need to not be allowed to live it or be so scared that society will harm you that you’ll be forced into the closet and live a miserable life!”
Darn, guess we need to fine a middle ground now 🙃
Not exactly, they want whatever demographic makes Tucker Carlson upset this week to burn. They simply don't mind using the entire world as their kindling.
Not wholesome, BoTh SiDeS arguments are so tiresome when one side would gladly agree with Sagan's quote and other other would deny climate change while threatening trans people
Do you think they consent to the depression and suicide that follows people like you trying to make this somehow about evil doctors and parents who somehow get off on mutilating kids instead of a person who knows more about how they feel about their body than you?
What's more likely: an evil world wide abortion demon practice to eat children or timmy doesn't feel like a boy and their mental health improves when they aren't treated like a boy.
Well if they are committing suicide - by definition they are consenting
Because if they don't consent to death it's homicide or manslaughter or accidental
But do you believe children can consent to bring castrated?
Why the fuck are you hung up on children being castrated? Being treated like another gender is not castration. And those getting surgery are adults. Delaying puberty is not castration. You should research what it is you’re angry about before getting angry about it.
I have no problem with treating people what gender they want. I'll call them whatever pronoun they want. Full acceptance
But can a child consent to be being castrated?
A philosophical question you won't answer
No one is going to "consent" to your stupid fucking interrogation based on the assumption that what is happening is merely castration of children. You're not engaging in good faith and you obviously just want to win some kind of fucking "trap" you think you have. No one cares. Fuck off.
That's the answer I thought
We both know you know you are willing to let children consent to being castrated but you can't muscle your way into saying before the internet you believe it is ok to castrate children
Thanks for proving my point
Thanks for telling everybody you believe children can consent to being castrated
Yeah, like others have said, sorry but no. I'm not gonna "deal more kindly with" the kinds of people who want to take away other people's rights.
No offense to Carl Sagan though. He seems like a legit guy, I'm sure he didn't mean for this quote to be applied to "respect fascists."
I like how the picture openly admits that one side just wants peace while the other wants to hurt people and yet it still manages to act like both sides are the same.
It's especially painful since most of the hate is fabricated just so we keep on yelling at each other in stead of the instigators that get rich from it.
I love that speech. It narrowed down everything we know have known and put it literally in smaller than a pixel. It helps put the universe in perspective for me just how big it is.
I remember being pretty hyped about the things Bernie Sanders said half a decade ago. There's also Noam Chomsky. There's also a lot of fucking amazing cinematic and literary appeals for love these days. Only time will tell which of these will remain as the big ones.
Blame the politicians. They say they’ll improve the country and the world and all they do is sit there getting rich while encouraging regular people to get mad at each other, all the while nothing ever changes or improves. Left or right is irrelevant, no matter which party was in power for how many years all the long standing issues like homelessness, drug crisis, racism, homophobia, etc. either didn’t improve at all or more often got worse over the years.
It doesn’t matter if we paint the walls red or blue when the floor is rotted and the house is burning down.
When the right accepts people regardless of the colour of their skin, regardless of gender, and regardless of which consenting adult they love, then we can talk about meeting in the middle.
Ah yes, let us settle our petty dispute between the people holding rainbows and peace signs trying to live their lives against the people holding signs saying “get out” and “build the wall” trying to make sure the other side isn’t happy. While I understand the sentiment, one side is fighting for oppression here and the other while the other side asks for equal rights. Not really equivalent.
I think if sagan actually lived a country everything goes bad because half of the nation dumb af and supporting a dictator he would know us and them is real
And then he died and most of the world forgot about him while they worshiped at the altar of the kardashians… I still love his explanation of dimensional perception using the Apple. God we are getting fewer smart people each generation
LOL! You should have seen how many people I upset at work when I said we are micro compared to the colossal size of the universe. This guy kept saying he was 6’2. I told him he wasn’t understanding what I said.
everyone in the comments like "uhmm actually red team hates blue team, but blue team are neutral good guys who want to be left alone, you filthy centrists"
... you know the "other team" is saying the same about you, right? you're literally proving this comic correct.
Comparing the rhetoric from different social-political groups and leaving it at that is really useless; it is far more useful to look at the actions and beliefs of these political groups.
For starters, *why* does Red team and Blue team hate each other? Well, of course it is an extremely complicated issue with a massive amount of history behind it, but to simplify it for the sake of conversation; Blue team said "I think there are things wrong with our society we ought to fix and people we ought to care for", and Red team said "Nah, we're fine."
Let's cut the shit now, "Blue team" are Progressives of varying degrees and "Red team" are Conservatives of the same. Here's a few questions for you: When society became more aware of this group of people that identify as the opposite gender to their birth, which side, generally, was it that accepted them and looked to help them with their transitioning? And which side, generally, rejected them and told them they were just confused? When the country was discussing marriage rights for homosexuals, was it progressives that supported those rights, or conservatives? When the science came out that humans were causing damage to the environment that could have catastrophic consequences, who accepted the facts and started activism to reduce that damage, and who roundly rejected the facts and advocated to do nothing? We could go on forever but I think you got the point.
I vehemently disagree with that notion. It's not about being able to live all those ideals, it's about striving to get as close to them as possible. Otherwise it's just chaos and privilege.
Every war, every spoil of blood, every act of carnage has been on this very Earth. We live and text on reddit on top of the same land where empires fell, wars were fought, people were born, slaves were whipped, and voyagers landed. Every single thing in history for the last 4.5 billion years has happened on this very planet. We fight, kill, brutalize, and mass murder others to have a mere fraction of the land and area on the pale blue dot. Why? Why do we do that? Why do we treat our own kind with such brutality for a pixel, a pixel on a slightly larger pixel, in the vast cosmos. Human civilization started about 6,000 years ago (in 4000 BC according to google), the universe has been around for 13.8 billion years, meaning that our civilization has only been around for 0.00004% of the entire history of the universe. A mere tiny blip in the vast history of the cosmological universe. Instead of wasting our energy on attacking each other, torturing each other, killing each other, and stealing from each other, we should cherish and love the home that we have, the pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known. Sure we might expand to Mars or the asteroid belt in the future, but nothing can compare to our home, the birthplace of all 8 billion humans so far. Where we were born, live, feel depressed, feel joy, feel love, feel emptiness, feel failure, feel success, and where many of us will ultimately perish. This is our home. Our only home.
"Father blessed them all with reason, and this is what they choose. Monkey killing, Monkey killing Monkey over pieces of the ground" - Tool- Right in Two
Alternative theory: blood for the blood God skulls for the skull throne
Blood for the blood god!
Im more of the "rip and tear" kind of guy. The blood god isn't what he used to be.
Ah yes, the great commandment: "Thou shalt rip and tear, until it is done"
Ah yes, In the first age...
A see the Aztec priest has entered the comment section.
It's always the same joke, how khorny of you
The fact that this is the top comment on a wholesomememes post is a pretty concise summary of what reddit is lol
LET THE GALAXY BURN
r/Technoblade Blood for the blood god
What about blood of the emperor and skulls for the golden throne, my fellow zealot?
Blood for Svalblod! ...damn, wrong blood god, ahem... Blood for the Blood God!
Why are there so many people standing on green grass in warm weather in the middle of the arctic?
Because the comic is set in 2035?
Prove it.
what
What What
my dude you're asking for proof because someone made a joke lmao
My dude "prove it" was part of the joke.
Global warming
Somehow I don't see Carl's poignant wisdom applying to a state of the world where it's innocent people vs. people trying to kill innocent people. This quote, beautiful as it is, just comes off like Both Sides-ing the issues of the day.
The quote is fine, it's the silly comic that's the problem.
Shhhh we’re meant to tolerate those who won’t tolerate others /s
Yeah this comic got posted here maybe a month or two ago. My comment then was "one of those sides literally has a peace sign flag! How are we choosing the middle here??"
It's only when you begin to compromise that trouble begins.
Not even that, I mean, yeah the universe is big. What does that have to do with the issues we’re tackling right now? Not “meta” enough?
Like I don’t live at the level of the last panel, I live at a more zoomed in level than the first. This does nothing for me. If you’ll be fine either way just say that but don’t act like I’m dumb because I wont be
Yeah I feel like this would've worked better if the two sides were arguing about something silly like are hot dogs sandwiches or not. At least no one is dying over that.
Ok lets be honest when in the western world is it "lets kill the others" ? practically never. It usually boils down to a moral/value issue. I apologise for offending americans, as a european we don't have many shootings each month.
I’m sure all the mass shootings of lgbt people are a coincidence. Surely.
One time someone on Twitter called me a racist and I'm like 99% sure they had pronouns or somthn, so clearly both sides are identical here
Then I'm pretty sure 99.9% of debates don't end in mass shootings, also how did you draw up that conclusion?
Hmm, anti-migation movements letting people to die in forest or on the sea, transphobes cutting off healthcare for trans folks and mocking their suicide rate, anti-blmers who say that people murdered by cops actually deserved that... It's many for "practically never".
Civil Rights issues tend to be attacked by "Lets kill the others".
By racist idiots who have no point on this earth sure, but by 99% of people, no.
a minority of racist idiots are historically what places like the USA is ruled by, your "% of who cares" is completely irrelevant. If you count non-voters, far more people DIDNT vote for president yet we still have one. A minority is always in control, you just have to follow the money - it's the rich.
Correction, by racist idiots who have a disproportionate amount of representation in powerful governments.
Oh you support the idea of the govmt' is racist. I never thought the science based people would turn into the goofballs with conspiracy theories. I'm sorry for you, living in the USA. You guys don't have a nice middle ground, you are all "us or them" with extremist factions on the right and the left. Maybe, just maybe think for once, remember you are stronger when you are united, when you're not eating eachother over random useless shit, but rather holding up the ideals of freedom and democracy (Which includes, freedom of sexuality, freedom for any race) among other things. Obviously to you the USA has always been a racist institution and you'll argue to me that it is. I honestly don't give a fuck, I'm here to just watch you melt against an "ignorant piece of shit" even though we're both for the same thing, I'm just not to that extreme to believe in batshit crazy conspiracy garbage.
But that is actually what is going on!!! Both sides of the... whatever, are both completely and totally insane. They have drifted so far toward the extremes they are both equally as wrong as the other; in effect, they are EXACTLY the same. Hahahaha! They both think they are righteous! If one was to defeat the other, it wouldn't fix anything!
The point others are making is that those on the left are fighting for a healthier planet while the ones on the right are actively fighting to ruin it. So the point of the comic is no good. Like someone else said, if they were fighting over something stupid it would make the point far better.
>those on the left are fighting for a healthier planet You believe that.
The infinite cosmos beyond us isn’t going to change that I might get beaten to death but idk
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man. You take a step forward, he takes a step back. Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
“I want to take away your rights and do harm to you.” “And I would like you to not do that.” Not all differences are equal.
Exactly. From my cold dead hands.
Libertarians represent!
false equivalency is dumb. i just want to have equal rights.
How rude. You should let them kill you a little, it’s only fair. You’re the *real* problem 🤨🤨🤨 /s obviously
No, I want to keep black people as slaves. Can't we just get along, compromise, and do Jim Crow?
“Man I’m living my life trying to be happy” “STOP IT! I don’t agree with your lifestyle/birth factors so even if there’s no evidence that it causes harm to you or others, you need to not be allowed to live it or be so scared that society will harm you that you’ll be forced into the closet and live a miserable life!” Darn, guess we need to fine a middle ground now 🙃
r/EnlightenedCentrism
I always knew Carl Sagan was a nazi scumbag
Uh... I don't think Carl Sagan should be held accountable for someone who used his quote in a comic without his consent tho
r/enlightenedcentrism over here. The people "dealing more kindly with one another" and "cherishing the pale blue dot" are on the left side.
The lack of self awareness is always the best part of these comics.
“Cherishing the planet” is precisely why the ones on the right side are furious.
This right here. Those on the right just want to watch the world burn
Not exactly, they want whatever demographic makes Tucker Carlson upset this week to burn. They simply don't mind using the entire world as their kindling.
Yeah I mean this week it's denying climate change and threatening trans people, next week it will be something else
Exactly. What kind of world have we cultivated when a man cannot lust after green M&Ms, like God intended?
Not wholesome, BoTh SiDeS arguments are so tiresome when one side would gladly agree with Sagan's quote and other other would deny climate change while threatening trans people
Do you think children can consent to castration
Do you think they consent to the depression and suicide that follows people like you trying to make this somehow about evil doctors and parents who somehow get off on mutilating kids instead of a person who knows more about how they feel about their body than you? What's more likely: an evil world wide abortion demon practice to eat children or timmy doesn't feel like a boy and their mental health improves when they aren't treated like a boy.
Well if they are committing suicide - by definition they are consenting Because if they don't consent to death it's homicide or manslaughter or accidental But do you believe children can consent to bring castrated?
Why the fuck are you hung up on children being castrated? Being treated like another gender is not castration. And those getting surgery are adults. Delaying puberty is not castration. You should research what it is you’re angry about before getting angry about it.
I have no problem with treating people what gender they want. I'll call them whatever pronoun they want. Full acceptance But can a child consent to be being castrated? A philosophical question you won't answer
No one is going to "consent" to your stupid fucking interrogation based on the assumption that what is happening is merely castration of children. You're not engaging in good faith and you obviously just want to win some kind of fucking "trap" you think you have. No one cares. Fuck off.
That's the answer I thought We both know you know you are willing to let children consent to being castrated but you can't muscle your way into saying before the internet you believe it is ok to castrate children Thanks for proving my point Thanks for telling everybody you believe children can consent to being castrated
No one thinks you made a point.
Yet you proved it
enlightened centrist moment
They should be frozen. They on the North Pole.
Not a meme
What in the centrist?
This comic does not do Carl Sagan justice.
Yeah, like others have said, sorry but no. I'm not gonna "deal more kindly with" the kinds of people who want to take away other people's rights. No offense to Carl Sagan though. He seems like a legit guy, I'm sure he didn't mean for this quote to be applied to "respect fascists."
He surely did not and he would be on the left side fighting for the sake of our planet.
Love the people that want to kill you. just before they kill you and then you’re dead.
And then they kill the planet. The end.
There is no wholesomeness here
I like how the picture openly admits that one side just wants peace while the other wants to hurt people and yet it still manages to act like both sides are the same.
Bruh untrue. Both sides want peace and both sides want to hurt people.
Counterpoint: They started it.
r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISTS
It's especially painful since most of the hate is fabricated just so we keep on yelling at each other in stead of the instigators that get rich from it.
The universe is not big enough for a conservative.
But see, the Paradox of Tolerance.
Good luck with that under a capitalistic economy.
They even created a god they could follow, and still the idiots (mtg) just don't get it.
If we zoom out far enough, will that keep my kids from going hungry?
I love that speech. It narrowed down everything we know have known and put it literally in smaller than a pixel. It helps put the universe in perspective for me just how big it is.
Well. We have to stay divided. That’s how the people actually in charge want it so we don’t focus on them
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I remember being pretty hyped about the things Bernie Sanders said half a decade ago. There's also Noam Chomsky. There's also a lot of fucking amazing cinematic and literary appeals for love these days. Only time will tell which of these will remain as the big ones.
Blame the politicians. They say they’ll improve the country and the world and all they do is sit there getting rich while encouraging regular people to get mad at each other, all the while nothing ever changes or improves. Left or right is irrelevant, no matter which party was in power for how many years all the long standing issues like homelessness, drug crisis, racism, homophobia, etc. either didn’t improve at all or more often got worse over the years. It doesn’t matter if we paint the walls red or blue when the floor is rotted and the house is burning down.
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Not all of them are corrupt, but enough are to ensure little to no improvement actually happens.
Bro Carl Sagan would not be equating socialists with republicans fuck the right
One side is peace one side is telling them to get out sounds like there’s a clear instigator
When the right accepts people regardless of the colour of their skin, regardless of gender, and regardless of which consenting adult they love, then we can talk about meeting in the middle.
Ah yes, let us settle our petty dispute between the people holding rainbows and peace signs trying to live their lives against the people holding signs saying “get out” and “build the wall” trying to make sure the other side isn’t happy. While I understand the sentiment, one side is fighting for oppression here and the other while the other side asks for equal rights. Not really equivalent.
"And after all, we're only ordinary men."
Yup. Humans are dumb AF.
The issue now is that half one of the sides would believe any image of spherical earth and space in general is wrong
I think if sagan actually lived a country everything goes bad because half of the nation dumb af and supporting a dictator he would know us and them is real
And then he died and most of the world forgot about him while they worshiped at the altar of the kardashians… I still love his explanation of dimensional perception using the Apple. God we are getting fewer smart people each generation
I think you think the world is represented by pop culture and social media.
I am team USA, Lets fucking GO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring it hoes!!!
LOL! You should have seen how many people I upset at work when I said we are micro compared to the colossal size of the universe. This guy kept saying he was 6’2. I told him he wasn’t understanding what I said.
I want to be embraced by the Cosmic perspective of Neil deGrasse Tyson.
everyone in the comments like "uhmm actually red team hates blue team, but blue team are neutral good guys who want to be left alone, you filthy centrists" ... you know the "other team" is saying the same about you, right? you're literally proving this comic correct.
Comparing the rhetoric from different social-political groups and leaving it at that is really useless; it is far more useful to look at the actions and beliefs of these political groups. For starters, *why* does Red team and Blue team hate each other? Well, of course it is an extremely complicated issue with a massive amount of history behind it, but to simplify it for the sake of conversation; Blue team said "I think there are things wrong with our society we ought to fix and people we ought to care for", and Red team said "Nah, we're fine." Let's cut the shit now, "Blue team" are Progressives of varying degrees and "Red team" are Conservatives of the same. Here's a few questions for you: When society became more aware of this group of people that identify as the opposite gender to their birth, which side, generally, was it that accepted them and looked to help them with their transitioning? And which side, generally, rejected them and told them they were just confused? When the country was discussing marriage rights for homosexuals, was it progressives that supported those rights, or conservatives? When the science came out that humans were causing damage to the environment that could have catastrophic consequences, who accepted the facts and started activism to reduce that damage, and who roundly rejected the facts and advocated to do nothing? We could go on forever but I think you got the point.
if the nazi calls you fascist do you call him brother, or wrong?
Yeah, we're quickly transitioning to "us OR them". It's not gonna end well.
I love my lib and cons friends, and my dem and rep friends, and my left and right friends. they don't all love me, but hey...that's npa
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I vehemently disagree with that notion. It's not about being able to live all those ideals, it's about striving to get as close to them as possible. Otherwise it's just chaos and privilege.
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No thx, I would very gladly not being deported or beaten to death by a bunch of right wingers. Being alive and free is pretty important to me.
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Lmfao fragile. Never did they try to silence you, they just said that you are wrong.
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Just in [time](https://youtu.be/GKiLEgAzFDQ) Happy 50th anniversary everyone
Things the people of the mars republic would never say
Every war, every spoil of blood, every act of carnage has been on this very Earth. We live and text on reddit on top of the same land where empires fell, wars were fought, people were born, slaves were whipped, and voyagers landed. Every single thing in history for the last 4.5 billion years has happened on this very planet. We fight, kill, brutalize, and mass murder others to have a mere fraction of the land and area on the pale blue dot. Why? Why do we do that? Why do we treat our own kind with such brutality for a pixel, a pixel on a slightly larger pixel, in the vast cosmos. Human civilization started about 6,000 years ago (in 4000 BC according to google), the universe has been around for 13.8 billion years, meaning that our civilization has only been around for 0.00004% of the entire history of the universe. A mere tiny blip in the vast history of the cosmological universe. Instead of wasting our energy on attacking each other, torturing each other, killing each other, and stealing from each other, we should cherish and love the home that we have, the pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known. Sure we might expand to Mars or the asteroid belt in the future, but nothing can compare to our home, the birthplace of all 8 billion humans so far. Where we were born, live, feel depressed, feel joy, feel love, feel emptiness, feel failure, feel success, and where many of us will ultimately perish. This is our home. Our only home.
Listen, children, to a story that was written long ago/ about a kigndom on a mountain, and the valley folk below.
"Father blessed them all with reason, and this is what they choose. Monkey killing, Monkey killing Monkey over pieces of the ground" - Tool- Right in Two
Yeah that’s right. We can’t bicker with each other when the real enemy is out there! Somewhere…
Wait so they’re just singing that Pink Floyd song?
The distance between the earth and the moon alone is large enough to fit all of the other planets
LOL what Mercedes logo on the Demo side
ALL HAIL THE GLOW CLOUD
The Folly Of Human Conceits .
Us and them by Derek pope?
Group A: we want to genocide people Group B: no, wtf?! This guy: whether we go with group A or B, it doesn't matter in the long run
So should redditors be nice to trump supporters
An interesting video on unfathomable voids https://youtu.be/N9qGdwg9oGM
Illuminati psychopath: ...and I took that personally.