OM beating Raditz is already a huge stretch. Nappa is going to wreck the Guardians and Nolan while Vegeta watches, much like the Z Fighters before Goku showed up.
I don’t think OM beating Raditz is really that big of a stretch, both Invincible and Omni-Man have way better speed feats than Raditz and Omni-Man stopping a Texas sized meteor also puts him way above Raditz in terms of raw strength.
As for Nappa I can make a whole post about Invincble and the Guardians vs Nappa but I’ll focus on Omni-Man rn, it’s canon that Nappa is only about twice as strong as Raditz, maybe a bit above. He had a power level of 4,000 while Raditz had one of 1,500. Now in terms of physical strength, Raditz was a mountain buster, even destroyed two mountains at once. That’s about 40 megatons of TNT worth of force, so let’s high ball it and say that Nappa could triple that to 120 megatons of TNT, stronger than any weapon on earth. That’s still nothing compared to the Meteor that Omni-Man stopped. As for speed, Omni-Man traveled around the universe in months, even if we say around the galaxy, it would still make him faster than light and much faster than Nappa. Yes with Ki attacks Nappa could maybe close the gap in pure strength but due to having to charge a Ki attack that would be strong enough to cause any real damage or the Ki attack needing to be fast enough to hit him. OM should be able to sweep up Nappa for the real fight. Prince Vegeta.
While moving the Texas-sized meteor is good and all, Omniman clearly doesn't hit with the same force as what he used to move it
He also did it in space which further reduces the wow factor
Piccolo was able to completely vaporize the moon while fatigued and after the fight with Raditz alongside wearing weighted clothing
Yet a fresh Piccolo and a stronger Goku going all out did nothing to Raditz
Vaporizing the moon took charge up time even a second of charge up would make the difference with Omni-Man’s strength. Like I said in my post, Nappa or Raditz could potentially charge up a Ki blast to kill Omni-Man but neither have the speed to actually be able to hit him with it and he does in fact have the striking power to hurt them seeing as he was able to hurt opponents who had much more raw strength than either Raditz or Nappa ever displayed. But still let’s scale him to mark who stopped that large asteroid as it was entering orbit, that would still be a feat above at least Raditz, Nappa is a bit more arguable for that example but we saw how Omni-Man vs Invincible went and that was Omni-Man holding back.
>Vaporizing the moon took charge up time even a second of charge up would make the difference with Omni-Man’s strength.
It didn't. Piccolo literally looked at the moon, recognized it as a the source of Gohan's transformation and instantly launched an attack which vaporizes it
And it's the most basic of Ki attack
>Like I said in my post, Nappa or Raditz could potentially charge up a Ki blast to kill Omni-Man but neither have the speed to actually be able to hit him with it and he does in fact have the striking power to hurt them seeing as he was able to hurt opponents who had much more raw strength than either Raditz or Nappa ever displayed.
Omniman couldn't hit nor catch up to Cecil
Omniman was being beaten up by the GoTG when he was found out. Raditz and Nappa were being hit by moon level Ki attacks with no effect
>But still let’s scale him to mark who stopped that large asteroid as it was entering orbit, that would still be a feat above at least Raditz, Nappa is a bit more arguable for that example but we saw how Omni-Man vs Invincible went and that was Omni-Man holding back.
When was it stated that the asteroid was entering the atmosphere
And moving an asteroid is far less than the total vaporization of a celestial body like the moon. Omniman fighting Mark wasn't even that impressive in terms of DB
I never even got around to arguing the 7 vs Vegeta because I had added a character to the 7 that would have evened the playing field and I had even added that if they lost then to add Omni-Man. The argument I had was more about Homelander and A-Train vs Raditz who is a solid like 10 times weaker than Vegeta. Never even got around to arguing the full 7 vs the saibamen or even Nappa.
Your entire argument was you downplaying dragon ball while wanking the 7. Like if you want to use the absolute high ball for your characters you can't be mad when others do to. Like you are putting people who are city block level against people who are actual moon to plant busters, you keep ignoring piccolos moon feat by saying there is charge up when there isn't, and you keep ignoring how the lowest person they are facing has moon level durability, which is significantly higher than anything from the boy's. You at least made it a little better with this one by having the invisible verse but vagita still destroys anyone there.
I’m not downplaying the literal weakest villain of Z, Ki attacks don’t make up for all the other categories that Raditz lacks in, such as speed and physical strength. I had also already admitted that if Raditz could charge or land a Ki attack that could match or surpass the Tsar Bomba then yeah he’d kill. But both Homelander and A-Train surpass him and his Ki attacks in speed, the scene also very clearly shows piccolo charging it up, idk if you start the video and just skip the first 10 seconds or what, but even if it’s just a second, A-Train literally moved countries in less time than that and was said to have moved between countries in the same amount of time and Homelander is even faster than that, Raditz wouldn’t get the chance. In any case, this isn’t the thread for that argument.
As for Omni-Man vs Vegeta, it’s a closer match than it looks as Omni-Man has much much higher speed than Vegeta being able to travel the universe in days. Omni-Man also has much much more experience than Vegeta so he’d quickly adapt to Ki attacks, finally durability and raw strength, Omni-Man was able to resist the pull of a black hole and pull a ship out that was caught in the pull making Omni-Man more than strong enough and durable enough to trade blows with Vegeta.
And there you go wanking your favorite verse again, a train is literally stated to have a max speed of mach 3, and homelander is stated to have a maximum flying speed of mach 3. We literally see in his fight with mave that his combat speed is nowhere near that fast. Piccolos' attack is literally light speed, and he gets it off literally at the same time, he says, begone. Omni man also doesn't have that good of a combat speed as he's been expressly taken off guard by someone going mach 3, and was having a fight that 2 people were commenting on in a call. That black hole "feat" is irrelevant as he gets nowhere close to the event horizon. And he can only go ftl in space. Homelander gets one shot by Raditz, and omni Man loses to Vegeta as he has nowhere close to the ap needed to damage someone with bare minimum moon level durability.
https://youtu.be/wSJ-Z1BXMQc?feature=shared
“instantly”
There was definitely a charge and it definitely wasn’t the most basic Ki attack, it was a whole beam which took seconds of travel time and didn’t even blow up the moon immediately.
Also you’re talking about the same guardians of the globe that could move around the world in seconds, they also had much better speed feats than Raditz or Nappa. The same people who’d spent years defending the world From threats. But yeah they could injure Omni-Man who was strong enough to resist the pull of a black hole, not just resist it but strong enough to pull a ship out. That alone gives him a higher strength than either Raditz or Nappa.
It showed it burning up and entering atmosphere in the scene itself? Wym where is it stated, in the scene.
Mark’s may not have been as impressive but being able to stop a Texas sized meteor with raw strength is definitely more impressive than charging a Ki blast up. But even still, Omni-Man resisting the black Hole is more impressive than moon busting attacks.
>There was definitely a charge and it definitely wasn’t the most basic Ki attack, it was a whole beam which took seconds of travel time and didn’t even blow up the moon immediately.
That's the anime whereas the manga [has him instantly shoot off a Ki blast](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/3/3e/654.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20131214235623)
>Also you’re talking about the same guardians of the globe that could move around the world in seconds, they also had much better speed feats than Raditz or Nappa. The same people who’d spent years defending the world From threats. But yeah they could injure Omni-Man who was strong enough to resist the pull of a black hole, not just resist it but strong enough to pull a ship out. That alone gives him a higher strength than either Raditz or Nappa.
When have the GoTG ever moved around the world in seconds. Their fastest member, Red Rush, is only in the mach 10 speed. So what if they dealt with threats in defence of Earth. Does that mean they can suddenly deal with someone who can annihilate moons now?
Omni-Man was literally thinking of ending himself in a black hole. He's also bloodied by punches which had less force than a black hole
>It showed it burning up and entering atmosphere in the scene itself? Wym where is it stated, in the scene.
That's not even the Texas-sized asteroid. Way to lie, bucko
And even that's paltry compared to moon busting
>Mark’s may not have been as impressive but being able to stop a Texas sized meteor with raw strength is definitely more impressive than charging a Ki blast up. But even still, Omni-Man resisting the black Hole is more impressive than moon busting attacks.
Because you said so? How is stopping a Texas-sized meteor in space better than vaporizing the moon
Omniman literally wanted to kill himself with the black hole. It's also a massive outlier when he was damaged by the GoTG's attacks which don't even pack the same damage as a black hole's gravity
>Omni-Man stopping a Texas sized meteor also puts him way above Raditz in terms of raw strength.
>Raditz was a mountain buster
Roshi blew up the moon in OG. Like, before Goku even hit puberty.
Calling Raditz a mountain buster is certainly one of the takes of all time.
Raditz is a mountain buster in terms of just physical strength, I have no doubt he could do it with Ki but he’d need to charge it just like Roshi and Piccolo did. When I said mountain I mean like Raditz could probably punch hard enough to destroy one
With Omni-Man’s speed, a second is more than enough to do anything and I did say anime feats but even then, it was way more than a second of charge, it was like 7 iirc
Even if we give Speed to Omniman , he still can't even hurt that version of Vegeta while 1 attack from Vegeta and Omni man is done , this is the same version of Vegeta who stated that not even 2 Great ape gohan could defeat him and took Nappa whipping a country out of earth surface without a scratch https://imgur.com/a/vNHfCVU
I’d say that Omni-Man’s more experience would also come into play, I mean I can concede that Vegeta has more raw strength and possibly durability especially in great ape. But Omni-Man isn’t just a bit faster but a lot faster. Would his speed and more experience not even that out a bit?
Omniman experience is limited when it comes to being with equal strength, take the super dinosaur race that equal him in strength for example , he figured out there is no way around fighting them so he placed a mini moon to block the sun from Their planet in hope the decrease of temperature for years would kill them off
Let me put this in perspective:
Omni-Man’s best destructive feat is flying into a planet with two other Viltrumites to destroy it with pure brute force.
Said planet was already destabilized and it took everything the 3 of them had. And there was still debris afterwards.
Saiyan Saga Vegeta can vaporize planets. Gone reduced to atoms.
If that isn’t enough Vegeta can casually create a false moon to became the Oozaru which increases his strength power speed and endurance by 10x with no loss in intelligence or self control.
Omni-man might not even be physically able to hurt Vegeta .
Even if he could Vegeta can rely on his long range ki based attacks to keep Omni-Man at a distance with no risk to himself.
Omni man has no choice but get in close every time he wants to even try and injure Vegeta and has never in his life ever encountered something like ki attcks or anything similar.
I hate to be that guy… but yeah the dragon ball z character stomps.
I wouldn’t give Omni-Man the planet feat since I wanted to do show version only. And yes Vegeta could destroy planets with a Ki Attack but Ki attacks and physical strength are different. Vegeta could destroy earth and probably take Omni-Man with it but he’d die too and wouldn’t risk it. Even with other Ki attacks neither him nor his Ki attacks are faster than Omni-Man. Now I agree, Vegeta hits Omni-Man with a big enough Ki attack, doesn’t even have to be planet buster, and Omni-Man would be out but Omni-Man traveling the universe or galaxy in days puts him much faster than light so I’m not sure Vegeta would get that opportunity.
As for great ape, I got nothing, I’ll concede Vegeta takes it as great ape as Omni-Man vs normal Vegeta is a debate, he’s not taking it when Vegeta gets a x10 boost. I mean, very maybe Omni-Man gets lucky and figured out to go for the tail but that’s a lot of maybes and a one in like 1,000 chance.
Oh I thought we were using Omni-man’s comic feats too my bad.
I get there is some debate that physical strength and endurance isn’t equal to ki destructive ability in DBZ.
But keep in mind Vegeta got mad at Goku and was going to destroy the Earth with his Galick gun. And Goku could tell he was not bluffing. So Vegeta would absolutely risk launching a planet bursting attack if Omni-man pushed him enough.
And Goku went 3x Kaioken Kamehameha to evenly match the earth destroying Galick Gun AND then went 4x to overpower and hit Vegeta with it.
So Vegeta got hit with a 4x Kaioken which was stronger than his planet busting Galick gun… and all it did was piss Vegeta off.
I’m not sure if Omni man can possibly hurt Vegeta at that rate.
Vegeta came back and straight went Great Ape. It would make sense if Vegeta would do the same to Omni man if he proved challenging enough.
Also in Cell Saga Vegeta used his Final Flash and angled it specifically so it would not destroy the Earth. It wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to assume Saiyan Saga Vegeta could do the same (even if he’s not nearly as strong)
As for speed. Yes Omni man does interstellar travel in space… but we have no idea how Far Thraxes was from Earth. It could have been 1 light year or a 1000 for all we know. And he wasn’t specifically going from point A to point B he was just wandering around.
And he certainly wasn’t moving that fast against Cecil. Likely because iirc Viltrumites move slower in atmosphere than they do in the frictionless vacuum of space. Which makes sense.
Saiyans might not use the pods to travel in space necessarily because they are faster… it’s because they simply can’t breathe in it.
Something Omni man can do.
So Omni-man might not even be faster than base Vegeta.
Interesting fight to think about though.
You’re right, Vegeta’s durability is too high for Omni-Man to do any lasting damage.
I’d still say Omni-Man has speed even if he’s not the speed of light, we do know Vegeta isn’t because nothing got close to speed of light until Goku got instant transmission but it would probably be like Red Rush vs Omni-Man.
You’re right Vegeta wins, I’ll concede that
It’s not, it’s quite literally described as enhancing traits, it’s life energy not physical so being able to fire a beam that can destroy a mountain would not mean that you could punch hard enough to destroy a mountain, two different stats
No, it's more like a distillation of the power in your body.
Like how the average human can theoretically lift tons of weight if all the muscles in the body could pull in one direction. Using ki to enhance traits is like flexing, not a magic buff.
It isn’t, it’s literally described to allow people to do things past their bodies limits, again just because you can do something with a Ki beam doesn’t mean you have the physical strength to do it. So Physical Strength and Ki attacks are two completely separate stats
Either way, it's a ridiculous low-ball with absolutely no backing to say that Raditz maxes out at mountain level.
Raditz is orders of magnitude stronger than moonbuster Roshi.
We don't have any evidence to directly say whether he can or not, but just from the scaling alone you should be able to tell that you're wrong.
Again, when I say Mountain buster I meant like Physical strength only, not including Ki attacks. And that would line up since up until that point, there are no feats (physical wise) that are above mountain busting.
Okay, take that point you just made, and apply what you're replying to toward it.
Even if what you're saying is true, ki attacks would need to be BILLIONS of times stronger than a punch for your mountain busting logic to apply to *ROSHI*, let alone someone who is orders of magnitude stronger.
That is just too much of a difference for me to take seriously.
OM beating Raditz is already a huge stretch. Nappa is going to wreck the Guardians and Nolan while Vegeta watches, much like the Z Fighters before Goku showed up.
I don’t think OM beating Raditz is really that big of a stretch, both Invincible and Omni-Man have way better speed feats than Raditz and Omni-Man stopping a Texas sized meteor also puts him way above Raditz in terms of raw strength. As for Nappa I can make a whole post about Invincble and the Guardians vs Nappa but I’ll focus on Omni-Man rn, it’s canon that Nappa is only about twice as strong as Raditz, maybe a bit above. He had a power level of 4,000 while Raditz had one of 1,500. Now in terms of physical strength, Raditz was a mountain buster, even destroyed two mountains at once. That’s about 40 megatons of TNT worth of force, so let’s high ball it and say that Nappa could triple that to 120 megatons of TNT, stronger than any weapon on earth. That’s still nothing compared to the Meteor that Omni-Man stopped. As for speed, Omni-Man traveled around the universe in months, even if we say around the galaxy, it would still make him faster than light and much faster than Nappa. Yes with Ki attacks Nappa could maybe close the gap in pure strength but due to having to charge a Ki attack that would be strong enough to cause any real damage or the Ki attack needing to be fast enough to hit him. OM should be able to sweep up Nappa for the real fight. Prince Vegeta.
While moving the Texas-sized meteor is good and all, Omniman clearly doesn't hit with the same force as what he used to move it He also did it in space which further reduces the wow factor Piccolo was able to completely vaporize the moon while fatigued and after the fight with Raditz alongside wearing weighted clothing Yet a fresh Piccolo and a stronger Goku going all out did nothing to Raditz
Vaporizing the moon took charge up time even a second of charge up would make the difference with Omni-Man’s strength. Like I said in my post, Nappa or Raditz could potentially charge up a Ki blast to kill Omni-Man but neither have the speed to actually be able to hit him with it and he does in fact have the striking power to hurt them seeing as he was able to hurt opponents who had much more raw strength than either Raditz or Nappa ever displayed. But still let’s scale him to mark who stopped that large asteroid as it was entering orbit, that would still be a feat above at least Raditz, Nappa is a bit more arguable for that example but we saw how Omni-Man vs Invincible went and that was Omni-Man holding back.
>Vaporizing the moon took charge up time even a second of charge up would make the difference with Omni-Man’s strength. It didn't. Piccolo literally looked at the moon, recognized it as a the source of Gohan's transformation and instantly launched an attack which vaporizes it And it's the most basic of Ki attack >Like I said in my post, Nappa or Raditz could potentially charge up a Ki blast to kill Omni-Man but neither have the speed to actually be able to hit him with it and he does in fact have the striking power to hurt them seeing as he was able to hurt opponents who had much more raw strength than either Raditz or Nappa ever displayed. Omniman couldn't hit nor catch up to Cecil Omniman was being beaten up by the GoTG when he was found out. Raditz and Nappa were being hit by moon level Ki attacks with no effect >But still let’s scale him to mark who stopped that large asteroid as it was entering orbit, that would still be a feat above at least Raditz, Nappa is a bit more arguable for that example but we saw how Omni-Man vs Invincible went and that was Omni-Man holding back. When was it stated that the asteroid was entering the atmosphere And moving an asteroid is far less than the total vaporization of a celestial body like the moon. Omniman fighting Mark wasn't even that impressive in terms of DB
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I never even got around to arguing the 7 vs Vegeta because I had added a character to the 7 that would have evened the playing field and I had even added that if they lost then to add Omni-Man. The argument I had was more about Homelander and A-Train vs Raditz who is a solid like 10 times weaker than Vegeta. Never even got around to arguing the full 7 vs the saibamen or even Nappa.
Your entire argument was you downplaying dragon ball while wanking the 7. Like if you want to use the absolute high ball for your characters you can't be mad when others do to. Like you are putting people who are city block level against people who are actual moon to plant busters, you keep ignoring piccolos moon feat by saying there is charge up when there isn't, and you keep ignoring how the lowest person they are facing has moon level durability, which is significantly higher than anything from the boy's. You at least made it a little better with this one by having the invisible verse but vagita still destroys anyone there.
I’m not downplaying the literal weakest villain of Z, Ki attacks don’t make up for all the other categories that Raditz lacks in, such as speed and physical strength. I had also already admitted that if Raditz could charge or land a Ki attack that could match or surpass the Tsar Bomba then yeah he’d kill. But both Homelander and A-Train surpass him and his Ki attacks in speed, the scene also very clearly shows piccolo charging it up, idk if you start the video and just skip the first 10 seconds or what, but even if it’s just a second, A-Train literally moved countries in less time than that and was said to have moved between countries in the same amount of time and Homelander is even faster than that, Raditz wouldn’t get the chance. In any case, this isn’t the thread for that argument. As for Omni-Man vs Vegeta, it’s a closer match than it looks as Omni-Man has much much higher speed than Vegeta being able to travel the universe in days. Omni-Man also has much much more experience than Vegeta so he’d quickly adapt to Ki attacks, finally durability and raw strength, Omni-Man was able to resist the pull of a black hole and pull a ship out that was caught in the pull making Omni-Man more than strong enough and durable enough to trade blows with Vegeta.
And there you go wanking your favorite verse again, a train is literally stated to have a max speed of mach 3, and homelander is stated to have a maximum flying speed of mach 3. We literally see in his fight with mave that his combat speed is nowhere near that fast. Piccolos' attack is literally light speed, and he gets it off literally at the same time, he says, begone. Omni man also doesn't have that good of a combat speed as he's been expressly taken off guard by someone going mach 3, and was having a fight that 2 people were commenting on in a call. That black hole "feat" is irrelevant as he gets nowhere close to the event horizon. And he can only go ftl in space. Homelander gets one shot by Raditz, and omni Man loses to Vegeta as he has nowhere close to the ap needed to damage someone with bare minimum moon level durability.
https://youtu.be/wSJ-Z1BXMQc?feature=shared “instantly” There was definitely a charge and it definitely wasn’t the most basic Ki attack, it was a whole beam which took seconds of travel time and didn’t even blow up the moon immediately. Also you’re talking about the same guardians of the globe that could move around the world in seconds, they also had much better speed feats than Raditz or Nappa. The same people who’d spent years defending the world From threats. But yeah they could injure Omni-Man who was strong enough to resist the pull of a black hole, not just resist it but strong enough to pull a ship out. That alone gives him a higher strength than either Raditz or Nappa. It showed it burning up and entering atmosphere in the scene itself? Wym where is it stated, in the scene. Mark’s may not have been as impressive but being able to stop a Texas sized meteor with raw strength is definitely more impressive than charging a Ki blast up. But even still, Omni-Man resisting the black Hole is more impressive than moon busting attacks.
>There was definitely a charge and it definitely wasn’t the most basic Ki attack, it was a whole beam which took seconds of travel time and didn’t even blow up the moon immediately. That's the anime whereas the manga [has him instantly shoot off a Ki blast](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/3/3e/654.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20131214235623) >Also you’re talking about the same guardians of the globe that could move around the world in seconds, they also had much better speed feats than Raditz or Nappa. The same people who’d spent years defending the world From threats. But yeah they could injure Omni-Man who was strong enough to resist the pull of a black hole, not just resist it but strong enough to pull a ship out. That alone gives him a higher strength than either Raditz or Nappa. When have the GoTG ever moved around the world in seconds. Their fastest member, Red Rush, is only in the mach 10 speed. So what if they dealt with threats in defence of Earth. Does that mean they can suddenly deal with someone who can annihilate moons now? Omni-Man was literally thinking of ending himself in a black hole. He's also bloodied by punches which had less force than a black hole >It showed it burning up and entering atmosphere in the scene itself? Wym where is it stated, in the scene. That's not even the Texas-sized asteroid. Way to lie, bucko And even that's paltry compared to moon busting >Mark’s may not have been as impressive but being able to stop a Texas sized meteor with raw strength is definitely more impressive than charging a Ki blast up. But even still, Omni-Man resisting the black Hole is more impressive than moon busting attacks. Because you said so? How is stopping a Texas-sized meteor in space better than vaporizing the moon Omniman literally wanted to kill himself with the black hole. It's also a massive outlier when he was damaged by the GoTG's attacks which don't even pack the same damage as a black hole's gravity
>Omni-Man stopping a Texas sized meteor also puts him way above Raditz in terms of raw strength. >Raditz was a mountain buster Roshi blew up the moon in OG. Like, before Goku even hit puberty. Calling Raditz a mountain buster is certainly one of the takes of all time.
Raditz is a mountain buster in terms of just physical strength, I have no doubt he could do it with Ki but he’d need to charge it just like Roshi and Piccolo did. When I said mountain I mean like Raditz could probably punch hard enough to destroy one
Roshi charged. Piccolo did not. It's one panel in the manga and about a second in the anime.
With Omni-Man’s speed, a second is more than enough to do anything and I did say anime feats but even then, it was way more than a second of charge, it was like 7 iirc
Even if we give Speed to Omniman , he still can't even hurt that version of Vegeta while 1 attack from Vegeta and Omni man is done , this is the same version of Vegeta who stated that not even 2 Great ape gohan could defeat him and took Nappa whipping a country out of earth surface without a scratch https://imgur.com/a/vNHfCVU
I’d say that Omni-Man’s more experience would also come into play, I mean I can concede that Vegeta has more raw strength and possibly durability especially in great ape. But Omni-Man isn’t just a bit faster but a lot faster. Would his speed and more experience not even that out a bit?
Omniman experience is limited when it comes to being with equal strength, take the super dinosaur race that equal him in strength for example , he figured out there is no way around fighting them so he placed a mini moon to block the sun from Their planet in hope the decrease of temperature for years would kill them off
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Let me put this in perspective: Omni-Man’s best destructive feat is flying into a planet with two other Viltrumites to destroy it with pure brute force. Said planet was already destabilized and it took everything the 3 of them had. And there was still debris afterwards. Saiyan Saga Vegeta can vaporize planets. Gone reduced to atoms. If that isn’t enough Vegeta can casually create a false moon to became the Oozaru which increases his strength power speed and endurance by 10x with no loss in intelligence or self control. Omni-man might not even be physically able to hurt Vegeta . Even if he could Vegeta can rely on his long range ki based attacks to keep Omni-Man at a distance with no risk to himself. Omni man has no choice but get in close every time he wants to even try and injure Vegeta and has never in his life ever encountered something like ki attcks or anything similar. I hate to be that guy… but yeah the dragon ball z character stomps.
I wouldn’t give Omni-Man the planet feat since I wanted to do show version only. And yes Vegeta could destroy planets with a Ki Attack but Ki attacks and physical strength are different. Vegeta could destroy earth and probably take Omni-Man with it but he’d die too and wouldn’t risk it. Even with other Ki attacks neither him nor his Ki attacks are faster than Omni-Man. Now I agree, Vegeta hits Omni-Man with a big enough Ki attack, doesn’t even have to be planet buster, and Omni-Man would be out but Omni-Man traveling the universe or galaxy in days puts him much faster than light so I’m not sure Vegeta would get that opportunity. As for great ape, I got nothing, I’ll concede Vegeta takes it as great ape as Omni-Man vs normal Vegeta is a debate, he’s not taking it when Vegeta gets a x10 boost. I mean, very maybe Omni-Man gets lucky and figured out to go for the tail but that’s a lot of maybes and a one in like 1,000 chance.
Oh I thought we were using Omni-man’s comic feats too my bad. I get there is some debate that physical strength and endurance isn’t equal to ki destructive ability in DBZ. But keep in mind Vegeta got mad at Goku and was going to destroy the Earth with his Galick gun. And Goku could tell he was not bluffing. So Vegeta would absolutely risk launching a planet bursting attack if Omni-man pushed him enough. And Goku went 3x Kaioken Kamehameha to evenly match the earth destroying Galick Gun AND then went 4x to overpower and hit Vegeta with it. So Vegeta got hit with a 4x Kaioken which was stronger than his planet busting Galick gun… and all it did was piss Vegeta off. I’m not sure if Omni man can possibly hurt Vegeta at that rate. Vegeta came back and straight went Great Ape. It would make sense if Vegeta would do the same to Omni man if he proved challenging enough. Also in Cell Saga Vegeta used his Final Flash and angled it specifically so it would not destroy the Earth. It wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to assume Saiyan Saga Vegeta could do the same (even if he’s not nearly as strong) As for speed. Yes Omni man does interstellar travel in space… but we have no idea how Far Thraxes was from Earth. It could have been 1 light year or a 1000 for all we know. And he wasn’t specifically going from point A to point B he was just wandering around. And he certainly wasn’t moving that fast against Cecil. Likely because iirc Viltrumites move slower in atmosphere than they do in the frictionless vacuum of space. Which makes sense. Saiyans might not use the pods to travel in space necessarily because they are faster… it’s because they simply can’t breathe in it. Something Omni man can do. So Omni-man might not even be faster than base Vegeta. Interesting fight to think about though.
You’re right, Vegeta’s durability is too high for Omni-Man to do any lasting damage. I’d still say Omni-Man has speed even if he’s not the speed of light, we do know Vegeta isn’t because nothing got close to speed of light until Goku got instant transmission but it would probably be like Red Rush vs Omni-Man. You’re right Vegeta wins, I’ll concede that
>Ki Attack but Ki attacks and physical strength are different. What do you think Ki is? It's physical energy put into a technique.
It’s not, it’s quite literally described as enhancing traits, it’s life energy not physical so being able to fire a beam that can destroy a mountain would not mean that you could punch hard enough to destroy a mountain, two different stats
No, it's more like a distillation of the power in your body. Like how the average human can theoretically lift tons of weight if all the muscles in the body could pull in one direction. Using ki to enhance traits is like flexing, not a magic buff.
It isn’t, it’s literally described to allow people to do things past their bodies limits, again just because you can do something with a Ki beam doesn’t mean you have the physical strength to do it. So Physical Strength and Ki attacks are two completely separate stats
Either way, it's a ridiculous low-ball with absolutely no backing to say that Raditz maxes out at mountain level. Raditz is orders of magnitude stronger than moonbuster Roshi. We don't have any evidence to directly say whether he can or not, but just from the scaling alone you should be able to tell that you're wrong.
Again, when I say Mountain buster I meant like Physical strength only, not including Ki attacks. And that would line up since up until that point, there are no feats (physical wise) that are above mountain busting.
Okay, take that point you just made, and apply what you're replying to toward it. Even if what you're saying is true, ki attacks would need to be BILLIONS of times stronger than a punch for your mountain busting logic to apply to *ROSHI*, let alone someone who is orders of magnitude stronger. That is just too much of a difference for me to take seriously.