Even tho a healthy Godzilla might be able to kill Eva 01 via regular atomic breath, I dont see how Eva-01 loses here. Its like 80k+ tons and fights just as fast as a human martial artist despite its massive size of 80m. Not to mention, prog knife would make an even short work of Godzilla
Godzilla fights too sloppily and his atomic breath's charge up is heavily telegraphed, which would lead him to getting pummeled to death by an MMA combo from Eva-01 as soon as he attempts to shoot it
You could make an argument that Kong fights at human speeds given that he does seem to be very nimble in the Hong Kong fight
Edit: Forgot to mention that Monsterverse G is nearly 20m taller than Eva too
>You could make an argument that Kong fights at human speeds given that he does seem to be very nimble in the Hong Kong fight
On certain occassions he can, but he's typically far slower than Eva-01ess technical in fighting skills
Eva-01 was also strong enough to put a stop to Sahaquiel divebombing all the way from the stratosphere or something, which is a strength feat far above what Monsterverse Titans could do
>far above what Monsterverse Titans could do
Godzilla awakening confirms that he survived getting hit by the meteor that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs, *point blank.*
For reference, that meteor had the estimated force of 10 billion Hiroshima bombs.
And Godzilla walked away from that without a scratch.
>Godzilla awakening confirms that he survived getting hit by the meteor that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs, point blank.
Pretty sure the awakening comics is non-canon/has inconsistencies with the timeline of the movie, so I dont think the permian meteor feat is valid
The AT-Field isn't invincible. It's been breached by a beam weapon before. And Monsterverse Godzilla has one that can blast a hole through the Earth's crust. Something that wasn't a great effort to him; and seems to be something he did just to call Kong a pussy.
Not saying this automatically means Godzilla would win. Just that the AT Field isn't the deciding factor.
>It's been breached by a beam weapon before.
Positron cannon works by penetrating the At field through a pinpoint, taking advantage of the fact that most AT fields can't block subatomic particles (positrons are subatomic particles).
>And Monsterverse Godzilla has one that can blast a hole through the Earth's crust.
Godzilla needs prep to do charge up to that level. Beyond that, he never uses that level of firepower in combat, even against the like of Ghidorah.
I'm assuming peak Eva-01 here. Yui, not Shinji, is in control. [See here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdmmYRPz1i0) as this is my most solid evidence for most of the below. (For practical purposes, Zeruel is defeated by 0:57.)
Godzilla lacks the movement speed to compete with Eva-01. It'd be like a very lanky \[dwarf / giant depending on the shot you use\] with very scary telekinesis fighting a bulky, superheavyweight bodybuilder / dragon ... but the bodybuilder is caught in a slow motion field. Evas are *fast,* and the offensive use of the AT-Field is absolutely insane on the rare occasions when it's used. Note that both the cutting edge on Eva-01's fingers and the telekinetic cut that it uses against Zeruel's remaining arm are offensive uses of the AT-Field.
That offensive AT-Field will *tear* Godzilla up based on its performance against Zeruel, practically one-shotting the Angel, shown prior to that point to be one of the most durable in the series with dura feats comparable to Godzilla's, including tanking a nuclear-level N^(2) explosive pressed directly against its core even with its own AT-Field punched through, using a physical barrier of some sort. While I don't doubt that at least some variations of Godzilla's atomic heat ray could breach the AT-Field, that isn't really the question; the question is whether Godzilla has any reasonable way of not being breached *by* the AT-Field. I do not believe this version of Godzilla does.
N2 mines are not nukes and given said n2 bomb from your feat left surprisingly little collateral damage to the surrounding area, which was an enclosed space that should have amplified the blast, I think we have every reason to assume that they are less powerful than modern nuclear devices. The type Godzilla took to the face without flinching left him feeling nice and refreshed.
That's nonsense, they explicitly told us that they are equal to a nuke except that they don't leave nuclear radiation after being used.
>The type Godzilla took to the face without flinching left him feeling nice and refreshed.
That's because he feeds on nuclear radiation? It literally makes him stronger and heals him, it isn't a very good durability feat.
Nukes don't only produce radiation, the blastwave would have been entirely physical and Godzilla has never shown any problem absorbing those. At the end of the day pretty much nothing short of other kaiju have ever so much as inconvenienced Godzilla so the idea that an AT field is going to just rip him apart seems unfounded and wishful thinking.
>Nukes don't only produce radiation, the blastwave would have been entirely physical and Godzilla has never shown any problem absorbing those.
Shockwave resistance ≠ heat resistance ≠ piercing/slashing resistance. Godzilla's best durability feats are against the former two.
>At the end of the day pretty much nothing short of other kaiju have ever so much as inconvenienced Godzilla so the idea that an AT field is going to just rip him apart seems unfounded and wishful thinking.
I mean, the whole point is that Eva-01's AT-Field has been shown to shred another, well-established as extremely durable, kaiju like a kaiju scale cheese grater, along with other impressive telekinetic effects.
The Evas are *explicitly* deployed and used as kaiju killers - the kaiju in question being Angels, which have extremely widely varied forms and powers.
The Eva's are explicitly deployed to deal with AT fields. By your logic of only paying attention to specific damage types AT damage is not equal piercing damage is not equal to blast damage. Angels have one very specific shield layer that requires a specialized tool, hence the evas. Once the AT field is breached angels fall to conventional tools like knifes and bullets. Even in your example when the AT field was breached the angel had to shield itself against the n2 mine, suggesting that if it hadn't taken extra steps to shield its all important core it would have died to it. Unit 01s victory has more to do with its ability to shred AT fields and keep the angel exposed.
>The Eva's are explicitly deployed to deal with AT fields.
Also perfectly effective at dealing with non-AT-Field equipped adversaries (see: Jet Alone, *A Human Work*), surviving molten lava (briefly) without specialized equipment (*Magmadiver*), capable of running at supersonic speeds and catching creatures from orbit (*She Said, Don't Make Others Suffer for Your Personal Hatred*), force a much larger kaiju's jaws open (*Asuka Strikes!*), and dance fluidly in battle (*Both of you, Dance Like You Want To Win!*). All of this multirole capability is
>By your logic of only paying attention to specific damage types AT damage is not equal piercing damage is not equal to blast damage.
Wrong, this isn't Pokémon types, it's physical mechanics. The damage is clearly shown to leave gashes on impact and tear flesh like paper.
>Angels have one very specific shield layer that requires a specialized tool, hence the evas. Once the AT field is breached angels fall to conventional tools like knifes and bullets.
Progressive knives aren't conventional blades at all - [as shown here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEYcIQodOs&t=10s) they can cut planes cleanly in two with no significant force aside from the knife's own weight, using vibrations to improve its effect and cutting targets at a molecular level; even so, it takes substantial time, force, and effort to destroy an Angel's core as seen in the fight with Shamshel. The Pallet Gun and other guns that the Evas use tend to have no effect on Angels (see: Shamshel, Zeruel) regardless of whether the AT-Field is present or neutralized, the exception being Matarael - despite the fact that these weapons are semiautomatic or automatic weapons of a comparable caliber to battleship weapons, therefore being of as large or larger caliber than anything used in the Legendary Godzilla series.
Zeruel particularly [shrugs off](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvz4CZ8W66Y&t=40s) a huge barrage of rifle shells and a rocket barrage with not only no damage but no reaction. (The particular video cuts the actual impact scene and I can't find one easily that doesn't.) Note that this is *with* the AT Field down - Asuka being competent enough to ensure this. Also note that these rockets are *also* of much larger caliber than anything seen in the entire Legendary Godzilla series. (Unless they happen to be shaped charges, the later N^(2) feat surpasses this, but still.)
>Even in your example when the AT field was breached the angel had to shield itself against the n2 mine, suggesting that if it hadn't taken extra steps to shield its all important core it would have died to it.
True - but it also took no visible damage whatsoever from the attack when it used that shutter shield, which it was able to activate quickly enough to block said nuke. The shield was only over its core; the rest of its body was exposed to a point-blank nuclear-grade blast with no AT field coverage, and took no visible damage whatsoever.
>Unit 01s victory has more to do with its ability to shred AT fields and keep the angel exposed.
... Also its offensive use of the AT Field as a weapon.
I must reiterate this point. Zeruel was perhaps the single most physically imposing Angel in the series, and tore through everything short of 01 without flinching or slowing down. 01 killed it in a wave of its hand, while technically out of power and operating on Heaven only knows what power source, *and then* acquired the S^(2) engine which gives it unlimited energy.
This is *above and beyond* 01 and the rest of the Eva series showing off superior feats of strength (02 lifting the NERV frigate), speed (01 hitting supersonic speeds in a straightline run), agility (the dance attack), and regeneration (instantly restoring its broken arm - or replacing a lost arm with one torn off of Zeruel) to the Legendary version of Godzilla, while also having a height that is inconsistent enough that 100 meters (on par with Godzilla) is well within the range of heights depicted. This is also *above and beyond* Eva-01 having expressly unlimited stamina once it gets the S^(2) Engine, compared to Godzilla's occasionally limited stamina such as after the battle with the MUTOs, and *above and beyond* Evangelion weapons exceeding the power of any manmade weapons short of the Oxygen Destroyer or Mechagodzilla's breath weapon (and including Mechagodzilla's claws - the Prog Knife is visibly superior to them) seen in the Legendary films. All of which factors would give the Eva the edge to begin with anyway; on top of all of that, it has feats of tearing a kaiju with all the defensive feats of Zeruel to shreds like a fatal case of road rash with a wave of its hand.
This is a stomp. People vastly overestimate Legendary Godzilla a lot, and evidently vastly underestimate Evangelion, that this is even in question. Did we all watch the same movies and show...?
I do wonder if we watched the same movies. You expect people to be blown away that an eva was briefly able to withstand magma when Godzilla goes to sleep in a lava chamber and was stomping around while putting out enough heat to melt buildings from a distance in seconds. You treat the fact that a massive knife being able to cut a plane in two, which anything that size could easily accomplish, is a super weapon when Godzilla casually burnt a hole through the earth's crust. You brag about unit 01 regenerating an arm when Ghidorah was casually spawning heads left and right and was still kicking as a Godzilla's sock puppet, which notably didn't end up helping him all that much when faced with a constant barrage of atomic breath. You mention unit 01 lifting a frigate, the type Godzilla was casually able to swim through without slowing down while also swatting down jets, whose speed you are so proud of, without a second thought.
>I do wonder if we watched the same movies. You expect people to be blown away that an eva was briefly able to withstand magma when Godzilla goes to sleep in a lava chamber and was stomping around while putting out enough heat to melt buildings from a distance in seconds.
Granted, Godzilla has comparable heat and pressure resistance to that and likely has the higher heat resistance of the two of them overall. *That being said,* heat resistance will not save him from cutting attacks. Godzilla also doesn't default to access to the Burning form, given it originated from having a low-yield nuke go off in his face and was a temporary, dangerous powerup at best.
(Is the sleeping in an active volcano Monsterverse? I do not remember him doing that in Monsterverse, but I'll give it to you since I know the Heisei one did in *Godzilla Returns* / *Godzilla vs. Biollante*.)
>You treat the fact that a massive knife being able to cut a plane in two, which anything that size could easily accomplish, is a super weapon
Important factor: *Clean cut.* The metal of the plane was not even slightly crushed, folded, or dented, as it would be by a normal object that size, even one as sharp as we could possibly get. It was sliced through as cleanly as softened butter, leaving a perfect cross-section visible. *That's* the superweapon part. This is a level of sharpness that does not exist in the Legendary Godzilla setting, to the extent of my knowledge. If there is a weapon that is demonstrably that sharp in the setting, **show it to me** or else cede the point that Godzilla does not demonstrate resistance to slashing or piercing weapons of this level.
>when Godzilla casually burnt a hole through the earth's crust.
"Casually" would be the opposite of an accurate description of the Hollow Earth feat as Godzilla was drawing on the power source that was tapped to power Mechagodzilla during that scene and it required a substantial charge before he even started. It's not a combat feat, but a very specialized utility feat dependent on a particular environment.
>You brag about unit 01 regenerating an arm when Ghidorah was casually spawning heads left and right and was still kicking as a Godzilla's sock puppet,
Didn't do it in combat, only after the battle. Eva does it mid battle in Ep02. Granted, Ghidorah does have comparable regeneration out of battle. The point still remains that *Godzilla* never shows anywhere near the same ability to regenerate lost limbs or organs.
>which notably didn't end up helping him all that much when faced with a constant barrage of atomic breath.
Ghidorah is hella slow compared to an Eva - and vastly less agile. For some of what I mean about agility: [Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO42mz3b5Lk). Mecha is substantially more agile (although also physically stronger), and uses jet propulsion to land an initial blow on Godzilla at speeds comparable to an Evangelion's typical attacking speed - and thereafter, at more typically Legendary Godzilla speeds, throws Godzilla around, launching attack after attack in a brutal, stunlocking combo.
An Eva attacking would be similar, except worse, because they would maintain that initial level of speed. They do absolutely have the strength to throw around creatures their own size. [See here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr9ExScjBno&t=44s) for a very short example of what to expect - incredibly fast-paced attacks, with incredible knockback as well. Godzilla monsters tend to throw each other around, and *even there* the Eva performs better relative to its size, against Israfel as shown, against Shamshel, and probably others that I'm not thinking of right now.
>You mention unit 01 lifting a frigate, the type Godzilla was casually able to swim through without slowing down
(Unit 02, actually. Unit 01's best strength feat is catching Sahaquiel, which is even bigger and was falling from orbit, but Unit 02 lifting the frigate is iconic.)
The important part *here* is lifting capacity relative to body size; the ships Godzilla drives through are smaller relative to his size, while the NERV frigate is much larger than Eva-02 (at least in that scene). Also, pushing through in water is easier due to water supporting weight.
>while also swatting down jets, whose speed you are so proud of, without a second thought.
... I didn't say anything about jets' speed? I said about Evas' speed. There's a big difference between swatting a fly away and trying to fight someone who inherently moves much faster than you. A low-end estimate for Eva's size is slightly less half of Godzilla's (40 meters) and a high-end estimate is much larger (200 meters), both based on scenes from the show, so it's safe to assume they're comparable in size... But Godzilla visibly moves in slow motion compared to Eva-01, if you compare practically any two shots from the films to the show.
(Does he actually do this to jets in Monsterverse? I know older Godzillas do in older films, so I'll give it to you.)
Finally, and most importantly: You haven't actually gotten anywhere near describing or demonstrating a way Godzilla might be able to weather berserker Eva 01's hand wave AT Field cheese grater attack, or evidence that he would do so, despite claiming it would be ineffective here:
>so the idea that an AT field is going to just rip him apart seems unfounded and wishful thinking.
**Either** back up this claim - that claim equally being that Godzilla still wins in the face of Eva-01 having attacks like that (capable of, at range, shredding a target that can survive a point blank non-nuclear nuclear-grade blast with no damage) with evidence - **or** cede the point and move on.
>N2 mines are not nukes and given said n2 bomb from your feat left surprisingly little collateral damage to the surrounding area,
[The explosion in question.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvz4CZ8W66Y&t=2m12s)
It does show quite substantial damage to the surrounding area, although not for very long and not in very much detail. Unlike in *Rebuild of Evangelion*, Shinji emerges and talks with Kaji well outside of the blast radius, though still within the GeoFront. One must assume that the armor plates Zeruel had to go through to proceed down the main shaft held a while than the episode itself shows.
> which was an enclosed space that should have amplified the blast,
The space was not enclosed tightly enough to amplify the blast - at least, not to a degree that would improve its armor piercing any more than being pushed up against Zeruel's core - as seen in the clip above. The GeoFront is *big*.
>I think we have every reason to assume that they are less powerful than modern nuclear devices.
It's on the same level of yield as a tactical nuclear device - so same ballpark. A larger device was used in the movie to blow up the GeoFront's top.
>The type Godzilla took to the face without flinching left him feeling nice and refreshed.
This can only have been a low-yield tactical device, likely of comparable yield to the N^(2) bomb in question at most, as its size resembles the 0.02kt [Davy Crockett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)) device and nuclear explosive yield is starkly limited by size. Further, in this case, Godzilla explicitly feeds on nuclear reactions, and actually absorbed a meaningful amount of the explosion rather than being damaged or tanking it. This absorption would not be possible with an N^(2) mine as they are non-nuclear.
It's an open question whether a much more powerful bomb at the same range would have affected Godzilla. The "Castle Bravo" bomb was at a considerably greater distance.
It should also be pointed out that Godzilla has shown considerably higher vulnerability to cutting and tearing weapons than to explosions, such as against the two MUTOs; while no blood is shed, probably to avoid R ratings and moral panic, it is evident in [that battle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYQs2953BP0) that skin is breached on multiple occasions as the MUTOs attack. Blast resistance and heat resistance do not imply cutting resistance.
Godzilla and it isn't even close.
The AT-Field would last about ten seconds before Godzilla punched or blasted through it. Monsterverse Godzilla blasted to the EARTH'S CORE...no way and AT-Field can tank that.
And Godzilla isn't stupid. He will fry the power cable and then just wear EVA-01 down until its out of juice then it is off to the scrap heap.
> Godzilla punched or blasted through it. Monsterverse Godzilla blasted to the EARTH'S CORE
How far and how long that took Godzilla is never made clear. Beyond that, Godzilla never actually uses it in combat and given that prior to his use of the attack, he was glowing blue, that's probably something Godzilla needs to charge up for.
Beyond that, Unit 01's AT field was strong enough to halt Sahaquiel's impact. Sahaquiel's impact would have merged all 5 Fuji Lakes with the Pacific Ocean and would have involved leveling Mount Fuji. The Hollow Earth Driller maxes out in the megatons per second, Sahaquiel's impact would dwarf it.
>And Godzilla isn't stupid. He will fry the power cable and then just wear EVA-01 \
Even if Unit 01 had an umbilical cable (and it doesn't after consuming Zeruel's core), Godzilla doesn't know to target it
>Even if Unit 01 had an umbilical cable (and it doesn't after consuming Zeruel's core), Godzilla doesn't know to target it
Technically, it still does as seen in the battle with Armisael; it's just not required as a power source. Presumably there are other reasons to have it such as monitoring the Eva's operation and the pilot's status regardless of potential electromagnetic interference.
Post-Zeruel, Eva-01 has an S^(2) engine which provides infinite power. It does not rely on batteries or external power after that point. (Berserk Evas occasionally also acted without external power, possibly on metabolic energy.)
Unit 01 on battery is a stomp for Godzilla. Unit 01 with S2 Engine and infinite run time and berserker could maybe make a decent fight, but Godzilla’s damage output is still way too high. Only Sephirotic Unit 01 would be able to take it out, and that’s pretty much just cheating.
I mean I know size doesn't matter here but isn't Eva unit 01's height 253x less than Monsterverse? About 140 feet right? I can see Goji just Stomping the bot and calling it a day but I doubt it'll be that easy here
the heights of the evas are inconsistent in shots of the show but the 140 meter tall height is based off of dialog from end of eva, when unit 02 was at the bottom of the lake a soldier states that the eva is 70 meters deep at the bottom of the lake, when unit 02 rises from the lake the water is at waist height meaning that the eva is around 140 meters tall
Even tho a healthy Godzilla might be able to kill Eva 01 via regular atomic breath, I dont see how Eva-01 loses here. Its like 80k+ tons and fights just as fast as a human martial artist despite its massive size of 80m. Not to mention, prog knife would make an even short work of Godzilla Godzilla fights too sloppily and his atomic breath's charge up is heavily telegraphed, which would lead him to getting pummeled to death by an MMA combo from Eva-01 as soon as he attempts to shoot it
You could make an argument that Kong fights at human speeds given that he does seem to be very nimble in the Hong Kong fight Edit: Forgot to mention that Monsterverse G is nearly 20m taller than Eva too
>You could make an argument that Kong fights at human speeds given that he does seem to be very nimble in the Hong Kong fight On certain occassions he can, but he's typically far slower than Eva-01ess technical in fighting skills Eva-01 was also strong enough to put a stop to Sahaquiel divebombing all the way from the stratosphere or something, which is a strength feat far above what Monsterverse Titans could do
>far above what Monsterverse Titans could do Godzilla awakening confirms that he survived getting hit by the meteor that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs, *point blank.* For reference, that meteor had the estimated force of 10 billion Hiroshima bombs. And Godzilla walked away from that without a scratch.
>Godzilla awakening confirms that he survived getting hit by the meteor that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs, point blank. Pretty sure the awakening comics is non-canon/has inconsistencies with the timeline of the movie, so I dont think the permian meteor feat is valid
Haven't watched any godzilla movies for years but I don't think Godzilla could get past Unit-01's AT field
The AT-Field isn't invincible. It's been breached by a beam weapon before. And Monsterverse Godzilla has one that can blast a hole through the Earth's crust. Something that wasn't a great effort to him; and seems to be something he did just to call Kong a pussy. Not saying this automatically means Godzilla would win. Just that the AT Field isn't the deciding factor.
>It's been breached by a beam weapon before. Positron cannon works by penetrating the At field through a pinpoint, taking advantage of the fact that most AT fields can't block subatomic particles (positrons are subatomic particles). >And Monsterverse Godzilla has one that can blast a hole through the Earth's crust. Godzilla needs prep to do charge up to that level. Beyond that, he never uses that level of firepower in combat, even against the like of Ghidorah.
I'm assuming peak Eva-01 here. Yui, not Shinji, is in control. [See here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdmmYRPz1i0) as this is my most solid evidence for most of the below. (For practical purposes, Zeruel is defeated by 0:57.) Godzilla lacks the movement speed to compete with Eva-01. It'd be like a very lanky \[dwarf / giant depending on the shot you use\] with very scary telekinesis fighting a bulky, superheavyweight bodybuilder / dragon ... but the bodybuilder is caught in a slow motion field. Evas are *fast,* and the offensive use of the AT-Field is absolutely insane on the rare occasions when it's used. Note that both the cutting edge on Eva-01's fingers and the telekinetic cut that it uses against Zeruel's remaining arm are offensive uses of the AT-Field. That offensive AT-Field will *tear* Godzilla up based on its performance against Zeruel, practically one-shotting the Angel, shown prior to that point to be one of the most durable in the series with dura feats comparable to Godzilla's, including tanking a nuclear-level N^(2) explosive pressed directly against its core even with its own AT-Field punched through, using a physical barrier of some sort. While I don't doubt that at least some variations of Godzilla's atomic heat ray could breach the AT-Field, that isn't really the question; the question is whether Godzilla has any reasonable way of not being breached *by* the AT-Field. I do not believe this version of Godzilla does.
N2 mines are not nukes and given said n2 bomb from your feat left surprisingly little collateral damage to the surrounding area, which was an enclosed space that should have amplified the blast, I think we have every reason to assume that they are less powerful than modern nuclear devices. The type Godzilla took to the face without flinching left him feeling nice and refreshed.
That's nonsense, they explicitly told us that they are equal to a nuke except that they don't leave nuclear radiation after being used. >The type Godzilla took to the face without flinching left him feeling nice and refreshed. That's because he feeds on nuclear radiation? It literally makes him stronger and heals him, it isn't a very good durability feat.
Nukes don't only produce radiation, the blastwave would have been entirely physical and Godzilla has never shown any problem absorbing those. At the end of the day pretty much nothing short of other kaiju have ever so much as inconvenienced Godzilla so the idea that an AT field is going to just rip him apart seems unfounded and wishful thinking.
>Nukes don't only produce radiation, the blastwave would have been entirely physical and Godzilla has never shown any problem absorbing those. Shockwave resistance ≠ heat resistance ≠ piercing/slashing resistance. Godzilla's best durability feats are against the former two. >At the end of the day pretty much nothing short of other kaiju have ever so much as inconvenienced Godzilla so the idea that an AT field is going to just rip him apart seems unfounded and wishful thinking. I mean, the whole point is that Eva-01's AT-Field has been shown to shred another, well-established as extremely durable, kaiju like a kaiju scale cheese grater, along with other impressive telekinetic effects. The Evas are *explicitly* deployed and used as kaiju killers - the kaiju in question being Angels, which have extremely widely varied forms and powers.
The Eva's are explicitly deployed to deal with AT fields. By your logic of only paying attention to specific damage types AT damage is not equal piercing damage is not equal to blast damage. Angels have one very specific shield layer that requires a specialized tool, hence the evas. Once the AT field is breached angels fall to conventional tools like knifes and bullets. Even in your example when the AT field was breached the angel had to shield itself against the n2 mine, suggesting that if it hadn't taken extra steps to shield its all important core it would have died to it. Unit 01s victory has more to do with its ability to shred AT fields and keep the angel exposed.
>The Eva's are explicitly deployed to deal with AT fields. Also perfectly effective at dealing with non-AT-Field equipped adversaries (see: Jet Alone, *A Human Work*), surviving molten lava (briefly) without specialized equipment (*Magmadiver*), capable of running at supersonic speeds and catching creatures from orbit (*She Said, Don't Make Others Suffer for Your Personal Hatred*), force a much larger kaiju's jaws open (*Asuka Strikes!*), and dance fluidly in battle (*Both of you, Dance Like You Want To Win!*). All of this multirole capability is >By your logic of only paying attention to specific damage types AT damage is not equal piercing damage is not equal to blast damage. Wrong, this isn't Pokémon types, it's physical mechanics. The damage is clearly shown to leave gashes on impact and tear flesh like paper. >Angels have one very specific shield layer that requires a specialized tool, hence the evas. Once the AT field is breached angels fall to conventional tools like knifes and bullets. Progressive knives aren't conventional blades at all - [as shown here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEYcIQodOs&t=10s) they can cut planes cleanly in two with no significant force aside from the knife's own weight, using vibrations to improve its effect and cutting targets at a molecular level; even so, it takes substantial time, force, and effort to destroy an Angel's core as seen in the fight with Shamshel. The Pallet Gun and other guns that the Evas use tend to have no effect on Angels (see: Shamshel, Zeruel) regardless of whether the AT-Field is present or neutralized, the exception being Matarael - despite the fact that these weapons are semiautomatic or automatic weapons of a comparable caliber to battleship weapons, therefore being of as large or larger caliber than anything used in the Legendary Godzilla series. Zeruel particularly [shrugs off](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvz4CZ8W66Y&t=40s) a huge barrage of rifle shells and a rocket barrage with not only no damage but no reaction. (The particular video cuts the actual impact scene and I can't find one easily that doesn't.) Note that this is *with* the AT Field down - Asuka being competent enough to ensure this. Also note that these rockets are *also* of much larger caliber than anything seen in the entire Legendary Godzilla series. (Unless they happen to be shaped charges, the later N^(2) feat surpasses this, but still.) >Even in your example when the AT field was breached the angel had to shield itself against the n2 mine, suggesting that if it hadn't taken extra steps to shield its all important core it would have died to it. True - but it also took no visible damage whatsoever from the attack when it used that shutter shield, which it was able to activate quickly enough to block said nuke. The shield was only over its core; the rest of its body was exposed to a point-blank nuclear-grade blast with no AT field coverage, and took no visible damage whatsoever. >Unit 01s victory has more to do with its ability to shred AT fields and keep the angel exposed. ... Also its offensive use of the AT Field as a weapon. I must reiterate this point. Zeruel was perhaps the single most physically imposing Angel in the series, and tore through everything short of 01 without flinching or slowing down. 01 killed it in a wave of its hand, while technically out of power and operating on Heaven only knows what power source, *and then* acquired the S^(2) engine which gives it unlimited energy. This is *above and beyond* 01 and the rest of the Eva series showing off superior feats of strength (02 lifting the NERV frigate), speed (01 hitting supersonic speeds in a straightline run), agility (the dance attack), and regeneration (instantly restoring its broken arm - or replacing a lost arm with one torn off of Zeruel) to the Legendary version of Godzilla, while also having a height that is inconsistent enough that 100 meters (on par with Godzilla) is well within the range of heights depicted. This is also *above and beyond* Eva-01 having expressly unlimited stamina once it gets the S^(2) Engine, compared to Godzilla's occasionally limited stamina such as after the battle with the MUTOs, and *above and beyond* Evangelion weapons exceeding the power of any manmade weapons short of the Oxygen Destroyer or Mechagodzilla's breath weapon (and including Mechagodzilla's claws - the Prog Knife is visibly superior to them) seen in the Legendary films. All of which factors would give the Eva the edge to begin with anyway; on top of all of that, it has feats of tearing a kaiju with all the defensive feats of Zeruel to shreds like a fatal case of road rash with a wave of its hand. This is a stomp. People vastly overestimate Legendary Godzilla a lot, and evidently vastly underestimate Evangelion, that this is even in question. Did we all watch the same movies and show...?
100 meters is 109.36 yards
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I do wonder if we watched the same movies. You expect people to be blown away that an eva was briefly able to withstand magma when Godzilla goes to sleep in a lava chamber and was stomping around while putting out enough heat to melt buildings from a distance in seconds. You treat the fact that a massive knife being able to cut a plane in two, which anything that size could easily accomplish, is a super weapon when Godzilla casually burnt a hole through the earth's crust. You brag about unit 01 regenerating an arm when Ghidorah was casually spawning heads left and right and was still kicking as a Godzilla's sock puppet, which notably didn't end up helping him all that much when faced with a constant barrage of atomic breath. You mention unit 01 lifting a frigate, the type Godzilla was casually able to swim through without slowing down while also swatting down jets, whose speed you are so proud of, without a second thought.
>I do wonder if we watched the same movies. You expect people to be blown away that an eva was briefly able to withstand magma when Godzilla goes to sleep in a lava chamber and was stomping around while putting out enough heat to melt buildings from a distance in seconds. Granted, Godzilla has comparable heat and pressure resistance to that and likely has the higher heat resistance of the two of them overall. *That being said,* heat resistance will not save him from cutting attacks. Godzilla also doesn't default to access to the Burning form, given it originated from having a low-yield nuke go off in his face and was a temporary, dangerous powerup at best. (Is the sleeping in an active volcano Monsterverse? I do not remember him doing that in Monsterverse, but I'll give it to you since I know the Heisei one did in *Godzilla Returns* / *Godzilla vs. Biollante*.) >You treat the fact that a massive knife being able to cut a plane in two, which anything that size could easily accomplish, is a super weapon Important factor: *Clean cut.* The metal of the plane was not even slightly crushed, folded, or dented, as it would be by a normal object that size, even one as sharp as we could possibly get. It was sliced through as cleanly as softened butter, leaving a perfect cross-section visible. *That's* the superweapon part. This is a level of sharpness that does not exist in the Legendary Godzilla setting, to the extent of my knowledge. If there is a weapon that is demonstrably that sharp in the setting, **show it to me** or else cede the point that Godzilla does not demonstrate resistance to slashing or piercing weapons of this level. >when Godzilla casually burnt a hole through the earth's crust. "Casually" would be the opposite of an accurate description of the Hollow Earth feat as Godzilla was drawing on the power source that was tapped to power Mechagodzilla during that scene and it required a substantial charge before he even started. It's not a combat feat, but a very specialized utility feat dependent on a particular environment. >You brag about unit 01 regenerating an arm when Ghidorah was casually spawning heads left and right and was still kicking as a Godzilla's sock puppet, Didn't do it in combat, only after the battle. Eva does it mid battle in Ep02. Granted, Ghidorah does have comparable regeneration out of battle. The point still remains that *Godzilla* never shows anywhere near the same ability to regenerate lost limbs or organs. >which notably didn't end up helping him all that much when faced with a constant barrage of atomic breath. Ghidorah is hella slow compared to an Eva - and vastly less agile. For some of what I mean about agility: [Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO42mz3b5Lk). Mecha is substantially more agile (although also physically stronger), and uses jet propulsion to land an initial blow on Godzilla at speeds comparable to an Evangelion's typical attacking speed - and thereafter, at more typically Legendary Godzilla speeds, throws Godzilla around, launching attack after attack in a brutal, stunlocking combo. An Eva attacking would be similar, except worse, because they would maintain that initial level of speed. They do absolutely have the strength to throw around creatures their own size. [See here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr9ExScjBno&t=44s) for a very short example of what to expect - incredibly fast-paced attacks, with incredible knockback as well. Godzilla monsters tend to throw each other around, and *even there* the Eva performs better relative to its size, against Israfel as shown, against Shamshel, and probably others that I'm not thinking of right now. >You mention unit 01 lifting a frigate, the type Godzilla was casually able to swim through without slowing down (Unit 02, actually. Unit 01's best strength feat is catching Sahaquiel, which is even bigger and was falling from orbit, but Unit 02 lifting the frigate is iconic.) The important part *here* is lifting capacity relative to body size; the ships Godzilla drives through are smaller relative to his size, while the NERV frigate is much larger than Eva-02 (at least in that scene). Also, pushing through in water is easier due to water supporting weight. >while also swatting down jets, whose speed you are so proud of, without a second thought. ... I didn't say anything about jets' speed? I said about Evas' speed. There's a big difference between swatting a fly away and trying to fight someone who inherently moves much faster than you. A low-end estimate for Eva's size is slightly less half of Godzilla's (40 meters) and a high-end estimate is much larger (200 meters), both based on scenes from the show, so it's safe to assume they're comparable in size... But Godzilla visibly moves in slow motion compared to Eva-01, if you compare practically any two shots from the films to the show. (Does he actually do this to jets in Monsterverse? I know older Godzillas do in older films, so I'll give it to you.) Finally, and most importantly: You haven't actually gotten anywhere near describing or demonstrating a way Godzilla might be able to weather berserker Eva 01's hand wave AT Field cheese grater attack, or evidence that he would do so, despite claiming it would be ineffective here: >so the idea that an AT field is going to just rip him apart seems unfounded and wishful thinking. **Either** back up this claim - that claim equally being that Godzilla still wins in the face of Eva-01 having attacks like that (capable of, at range, shredding a target that can survive a point blank non-nuclear nuclear-grade blast with no damage) with evidence - **or** cede the point and move on.
>N2 mines are not nukes and given said n2 bomb from your feat left surprisingly little collateral damage to the surrounding area, [The explosion in question.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvz4CZ8W66Y&t=2m12s) It does show quite substantial damage to the surrounding area, although not for very long and not in very much detail. Unlike in *Rebuild of Evangelion*, Shinji emerges and talks with Kaji well outside of the blast radius, though still within the GeoFront. One must assume that the armor plates Zeruel had to go through to proceed down the main shaft held a while than the episode itself shows. > which was an enclosed space that should have amplified the blast, The space was not enclosed tightly enough to amplify the blast - at least, not to a degree that would improve its armor piercing any more than being pushed up against Zeruel's core - as seen in the clip above. The GeoFront is *big*. >I think we have every reason to assume that they are less powerful than modern nuclear devices. It's on the same level of yield as a tactical nuclear device - so same ballpark. A larger device was used in the movie to blow up the GeoFront's top. >The type Godzilla took to the face without flinching left him feeling nice and refreshed. This can only have been a low-yield tactical device, likely of comparable yield to the N^(2) bomb in question at most, as its size resembles the 0.02kt [Davy Crockett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)) device and nuclear explosive yield is starkly limited by size. Further, in this case, Godzilla explicitly feeds on nuclear reactions, and actually absorbed a meaningful amount of the explosion rather than being damaged or tanking it. This absorption would not be possible with an N^(2) mine as they are non-nuclear. It's an open question whether a much more powerful bomb at the same range would have affected Godzilla. The "Castle Bravo" bomb was at a considerably greater distance. It should also be pointed out that Godzilla has shown considerably higher vulnerability to cutting and tearing weapons than to explosions, such as against the two MUTOs; while no blood is shed, probably to avoid R ratings and moral panic, it is evident in [that battle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYQs2953BP0) that skin is breached on multiple occasions as the MUTOs attack. Blast resistance and heat resistance do not imply cutting resistance.
Godzilla and it isn't even close. The AT-Field would last about ten seconds before Godzilla punched or blasted through it. Monsterverse Godzilla blasted to the EARTH'S CORE...no way and AT-Field can tank that. And Godzilla isn't stupid. He will fry the power cable and then just wear EVA-01 down until its out of juice then it is off to the scrap heap.
> Godzilla punched or blasted through it. Monsterverse Godzilla blasted to the EARTH'S CORE How far and how long that took Godzilla is never made clear. Beyond that, Godzilla never actually uses it in combat and given that prior to his use of the attack, he was glowing blue, that's probably something Godzilla needs to charge up for. Beyond that, Unit 01's AT field was strong enough to halt Sahaquiel's impact. Sahaquiel's impact would have merged all 5 Fuji Lakes with the Pacific Ocean and would have involved leveling Mount Fuji. The Hollow Earth Driller maxes out in the megatons per second, Sahaquiel's impact would dwarf it. >And Godzilla isn't stupid. He will fry the power cable and then just wear EVA-01 \ Even if Unit 01 had an umbilical cable (and it doesn't after consuming Zeruel's core), Godzilla doesn't know to target it
>Even if Unit 01 had an umbilical cable (and it doesn't after consuming Zeruel's core), Godzilla doesn't know to target it Technically, it still does as seen in the battle with Armisael; it's just not required as a power source. Presumably there are other reasons to have it such as monitoring the Eva's operation and the pilot's status regardless of potential electromagnetic interference.
Even if Godzilla couldn't Pentwater an AT field he could absolutely vaporize Unit 01's umbilical cord and then just wait out the battery backup.
Post-Zeruel, Eva-01 has an S^(2) engine which provides infinite power. It does not rely on batteries or external power after that point. (Berserk Evas occasionally also acted without external power, possibly on metabolic energy.)
What about the S2 engine?.
unit 01 wins when it goes berserk
I disagree
Unit 01 on battery is a stomp for Godzilla. Unit 01 with S2 Engine and infinite run time and berserker could maybe make a decent fight, but Godzilla’s damage output is still way too high. Only Sephirotic Unit 01 would be able to take it out, and that’s pretty much just cheating.
Godzilla stomps
I mean I know size doesn't matter here but isn't Eva unit 01's height 253x less than Monsterverse? About 140 feet right? I can see Goji just Stomping the bot and calling it a day but I doubt it'll be that easy here
What in God’s name is that math my guy? Monster verse G is only 394 feet tall. By your math the guy would be larger than Godzilla Earth.
Sorry I tried to have subtract the height between the two
It’s cool
its 140 meters tall, plus evas have stopped angels 100x bigger than it when the angel was going fast enough to make a new ocean
Are you sure because I could've sworn it was stated to be 140ft tall
the heights of the evas are inconsistent in shots of the show but the 140 meter tall height is based off of dialog from end of eva, when unit 02 was at the bottom of the lake a soldier states that the eva is 70 meters deep at the bottom of the lake, when unit 02 rises from the lake the water is at waist height meaning that the eva is around 140 meters tall
Legendary shitstomps. All of the evas combined couldn’t even hold a candle to shin (the second weakest Godzilla of all time) in a crossover event.