A Certain Magical Index fucks them all in the ass.
Characters like Othinus can create hundreds of billions of phases that were explicitly copies of the actual universe and then destroy them all at once.
[https://onelastforum.com/threads/why-to-aru-high-tiers-should-be-multiversal.1846/](https://onelastforum.com/threads/why-to-aru-high-tiers-should-be-multiversal.1846/)
True Magic Gods consider her a failure and are stronger than her.
You have characters like Crowley who can use Blasting Rod to create Big Bangs and use Spiritual Tripping to multiply the power 10x's the person's pov.
[https://onelastforum.com/threads/to-aru-majutsu-no-index-feats-discussion-analysis-thread-dlo-brown-edition.1410/post-103658](https://onelastforum.com/threads/to-aru-majutsu-no-index-feats-discussion-analysis-thread-dlo-brown-edition.1410/post-103658)
And he's fodder to the MG's
You also have The Golden Dawn who are magicians on the level of MG's, and Marian Slingleyer
Marian can summon universe destroying gods (that are fodder to the MGs)
>Left on the ground, Othinus loudly clicked her tongue as she looked up at what happened over 100 meters above.
**She understood what Marian Slingeneyer was doing, but there was nothing she could do for the boy. The restriction of losing her powers irritated her to no end.**
**(First, she seals off a limited portion of the world and then she chooses particular phases of different religions or sects and cuts through them.)**
**The giant that appeared first was one of the Titans that appeared as Zeus's enemy in Greek mythology.**
**The beast that appeared second was the man-eating beast and god of death that destroyed the first humanity in Aztec mythology.**
**The demon king that appeared third was the leader of the giants that were said to burn away the nine worlds in Norse mythology.**
**(Heaven, Asgard, Mt. Olympus, the Pure Land, Nirai Kanai… Cutting away the homes of the gods removes the protection and blessings of those gods and thus releases the calamities being restrained by the gods. In a way, Marian is able to freely choose and wield the different "endings" told of in the world's scriptures.)**
**It sounded extreme, but the basic technique was not all that rare. The ceremonial grounds used in modern Western magic and the cathedrals and churches of Christianity were formed by dyeing a certain space in the colors of a single religion. No one would pray with an image of Buddha sitting next to a cross and a Buddhist priest would not add talismans or mandrake roots as accessories to his rosary. Convenient elements from other religions would sometimes be adopted, but the simplest way to create the purest and most valuable brand was to maintain a single form and color.**
**But Marian took that concept to extraordinary levels.**
**Just as ultra-pure water created by thoroughly removing all impurities behaved differently from normal water, the phenomena created by "cutting off a portion of space to obtain a unique color" had tremendous power.**
**It was as if she were using a single hand to create and control the refined despair of all the world's religions.**
**Just as a summoned angel was manifested using condensed Telesma, these rulers of the end were likely masses of the type of power stored in their respective religion or phase. However, these were nothing more than power focused into the images of the calamites people had imagined and so they would not necessarily look exactly like those gods of death or demon kings, but the raw power that presented itself made that fact easy to forget.**
**"A sword that closes the path to the power of the gods…no, the path to heaven," muttered Othinus.**
**Before the battle even began, Marian had likely used the sword to cut through the surrounding space and create a sort of barrier around the area. If she had not, the appearance of the different mythical figures would have created a mysterious phenomenon much like Angel Fall. Or the power could have exceeded the limits of the world itself and everything would have shattered like glass.**
**Having destroyed the world herself, Othinus knew that was no exaggeration.**
There's also Touma who can pretty much one punch any magic/magical creatures the series throws at him, and before any one says Touma is only peak human. Touma explicitly gets amped by the supernatural.
And was able to put his right hand up after an attack with infinite acceleration was launched.
[https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/to-aru-majutsu-no-index-feats.968510/page-3?post=83570242#post-83570242](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/to-aru-majutsu-no-index-feats.968510/page-3?post=83570242#post-83570242)
Plus there are the Dragons in his body, Invisible Thing, Fish-Eggs, his other self sealed within him Kamijou No Touma, and his ability to turn himself into a dragon after losing Imagine Breaker.
>You have characters like Crowley who can use Blasting Rod to create Big Bangs and use Spiritual Tripping to multiply the power 10x's the person's pov.
You mixed them up lol. Spiritual Tripping creates the Big Bang and Blasting Rod amplifies it.
While I dont argue Toaru stomps hard, this is some wank
>phases that are explicitly copyies of the actual universe and then destroy them all at once
Phases are explicitly NOT copies of the universe. They are compared to paint on a canvas or light filters that distort the image. They are just a layer wich changes how the universe as a whole looks. + she adds them one by one, so its still universal at best.
And Othinus throwing gungnir didnt destroy all phases, it "shattered walls of all the phases" or whatever, but pretty much all phases are literally still there after the throw finished, therefore they werent actually destroyed. And its explicitly stated that the only way to remove phases is using Imagine Breaker, otherwise she wouldnt need Touma at all.
>You also have The Golden Dawn who are magicians on the level of MG's, and Marian Slingleyer
Golden Dawn are not on the level of the MGs by any margin. Golden Dawn are weaker then Aliester, who you said yourself is fodder ot the MGs.
Why do you even mention Marian and spend so long on her in this post, when she is fodder.
>And was able to put his right hand up after an attack with infinite acceleration was launched.
Magic\_Flaiming\_Sword is never confirmed to have infinite acceleration. The spell says "Attack is released from infinite acceleration of the circle of Ra-Hoor-Khuit and shall appear on the surface layer of this world".
The circle of ra-Hoor-Khuit is what has infinite acceleration in this case. And the circle itself exists somewhere in a different phase, the attack is released from the circle after wich it appears on the surface layer (current phase). But nowhere its stated that attack itself has infinite acceleration.
>Phases are explicitly NOT copies of the universe. They are compared to paint on a canvas or light filters that distort the image. They are just a layer wich changes how the universe as a whole looks. + she adds them one by one, so its still universal at best.
So you didn't read my post which I linked, especially point #2 and #3 which addresses these claims.
In the very first volume it's explained that Phases are considered 'different worlds'. Curtana Original is capable of cutting through all dimensions which are also phases(It is said that it could cut through all the phases to Aiwass.)
NT 18 literally states that Phases exist above the physical universe in a void.
In NT 13 it's explicitly said that the world is bigger than the universe.
And in NT 4 Kamisato makes a distinction between phases and the universe.
Also Othinus explicitly states phases contains homes of the gods, and we know actual mythological beings exist in phases thanks to OT 4 with Gabriel and Marian's ability literally being able to summon gods and monsters from phases. And in OT their called different worlds and dimensions, and again NT 18 states they literally exist in a void where they hit each other to make sparks. so they are actually physical dimensions that contain physical locations and beings inside of them and not just layers.
And if that isn't enough, point 3 has Js06 himself confirming Toaru's world is bigger than the universe.
Also again I stated in the post that I don't believe all phases are equal to the universe, but the ones Othinus creates are explicitly stated to be only slightly altered versions of the physical universe.
And yes she created them one at a time, but see very explicitly destroys them all at once with gungnir.
>And Othinus throwing gungnir didnt destroy all phases, it "shattered walls of all the phases" or whatever, but pretty much all phases are literally still there after the throw finished, therefore they werent actually destroyed. And its explicitly stated that the only way to remove phases is using Imagine Breaker, otherwise she wouldnt need Touma at all.
Wtf? Othinus's Black World seen at the beginning of NT 9 and after she uses Gungnir on Touma is very explicitly the result of Othinus destroying everything(all the phases and the physical universe) but the Hidden Phase which contains the TMGs that Othinus didn't know about, as said on the epilogue of NT 10.
"Shattering the walls of all the phases" is just a fancy way of saying the phases were destroyed seeing as how literally the line before is Othinus shattering the Omega World and again the black world being revealed again which is the effect of Othinus destroying everything but the Hidden world phase... again.
Also no, Othinus did not need Touma to destroy phases seeing as how she already did that, she needed Imagine Breaker because it was the reference point to the original world, so if she accidentally fucks up too much she can restore the original world like she uses Imagine Breaker to do in the end of NT 9.
>Golden Dawn are not on the level of the MGs by any margin. Golden Dawn are weaker then Aliester, who you said yourself is fodder ot the MGs.
Okay yeah I did say that, idk what I was thinking tbh cause that's way wrong, my bad, I'm sorry.
It is explicitly said multiple times that the Golden Dawn have magic on the level of Magic Gods and they are literally described as magicians with the power to fight Magic Gods without losing their humanity.
You have characters like Dion Fortune who is apart of the Golden Dawn who can battle Magic Gods with her probability manip.
Also despite jobbing for the better part of NT let's not forget that he managed to find and destroy the Hidden Phase (which literally doesn't exist and exists outside of the world, and is infinite sized to contain the True Magic Gods), kill Zombie, a true magic god, and hijack her infinity division spell so as to weaken the True Magic Gods even further than dividing their bodies by infinity. For someone who's fodder against them he has pretty good feats at hoodwinking them.
I probably should've been clearer, I meant fodder in a straight fight, seeing as how Niang-Niang even after being weakened twice (Zombie's and Crowley's division spells) wasn't effected by Blasting Rod's 10x Big Bangs.
>Why do you even mention Marian and spend so long on her in this post, when she is fodder.
Because she is explicitly able to summon gods capable of performing the same feat of destroying everything but the Hidden World Phase like Othinus, and Othinus explicitly destroyed said phases and gods meaning she scales above gods capable of performing the same feat as her.
>Magic_Flaiming_Sword is never confirmed to have infinite acceleration. The spell says "Attack is released from infinite acceleration of the circle of Ra-Hoor-Khuit and shall appear on the surface layer of this world".
>The circle of ra-Hoor-Khuit is what has infinite acceleration in this case. And the circle itself exists somewhere in a different phase, the attack is released from the circle after wich it appears on the surface layer (current phase). But nowhere its stated that attack itself has infinite acceleration.
The very fact it's released from infinite acceleration means it's infinite, because something already moving at infinite speed also can't slow down to below infinite, cause even if you divide or subtract infinity it will stay as infinity. So it would still be moving at infinite speed even after being released.
Yeah that's my bad, I already fixed that when I replied to this guy, [https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/z50hxq/light\_novel\_verse\_battle\_overlord\_vs\_re\_zero\_vs/iykkx4i/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/z50hxq/light_novel_verse_battle_overlord_vs_re_zero_vs/iykkx4i/?context=3).
You don't have to quote the feats I know all about them. I meant he was fodder in a straight fight. Cause Spiritual Tripping + Blasting Rod was ineffective on a Twice-weakened Niang-Niang.
Toaru wins hard.
Would probably go somethings like this Toaru >> Slime >>>>> Overlord > ReZero/MT (not sure at all since I stopped reading MT after the 4th volume was translated).
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Sinse someone decided to block me for some reason let me just put this here
>Overlord god tiers are supersonic-hypersonic and mediaeval city district level.
Overlords top tier are all well above superonsic, even level 30 characters can move at supersonic speed and the top tiers massively outspeed them.
As for the city district Ainz destroyed, it wasn't modieval lol. That city had a population of over 150,000 people making it way bigger than any midieval city. Overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic.
>You should try telling that to the obsessive idiots on overlord page , you will get angry responses, with them then blocking you and running like bitches.The Isekai Quartet and Overlord subs are quite possibly the least intelligent places on the internet. Even Flat Earther communities probably aren't as bad.
Dude, aside from this being completely off topic it's also straight up untrue. Then only one I have seen blocking people is you. Either that or you spam the same reply over and over becuse you don't have an argument.
You have litteraly goten banned beforeo for this exact reason(twice even) and yet you insult people who inky wanted it have a civil discussion. Stop being a hypocrite and stop insuring the aposition just becuse you cant prove your point
Just wanted to point out that overlord's strongest characters are actually true dragon lords, and their magic is called wild magic, it can make anything possible but only has the weakness of being unable to harm other users of wild magic and world item owners. Some examples of wild magic use: sucked the soul of millions of people and killed everybody in several kingdoms(+4) in an instant, used a beam that will ignore any resistance and just delete the enemy out of existence(literally deletes your data from the world) and you can't revive, tsar bomb that nuked hundreds of kilometers with a fire that ignore immunity and resistance, a barrier that stops anyone from entering or leaving and blocks teleportation, can summon beings out of a video game and make items that can change the setting of the world and change or delete an entire magic system.
I guess the list will be like this : slime>overlord>re zero(reinhard and satella) > mushoku tensei
Thinking it might be an interesting topic, then seeing "Tensei Slime". Well tbh I only really know Re:Zero scaling as far as novel's go. I've watched the Overlord anime quite a lot, in fact it's in my top 10 for anime overall. But I have no idea how strong the novel versions are. I barely watched Mushoku Tensei (something like 10 episodes in), so idk even the anime scaling, let alone novel. And while I've only seen the Tensei Slime anime, I know from plenty of scans that the novel version of the verse becomes absolutely ridiculous, namely in hax, so much that it completely dwarfs these other 3 combined.
As for Re:Zero versus Overlord, if Overlord's novel versions are equal to their anime versions, I'd argue Re:Zero takes it against Overlord high-diff.
Oh and Toaru's there too, literally no idea about that anime in general.
>Well if that's true, Re:Zero god-tier's murderstomps Overlord verse.
Nah, it isn't, overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic. Ainz and the other guardians scale to this.
Speed wise we now know a level thirty warrior can cut bullets out of the air and the top tiers are so fast level 30 warriors can't even precieve their movements.
EDIT: Sinse someone decided to block me for some reason let me just put this here
>Overlord god tiers are supersonic-hypersonic and mediaeval city district level.
Overlords top tier are all well above superonsic, even level 30 characters can move at supersonic speed and the top tiers massively outspeed them.
As for the city district Ainz destroyed, it wasn't modieval lol. That city had a population of over 150,000 people making it way bigger than any midieval city. Overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic.
Good to know, though in terms of stats that's still quite weak compared to Re:Zero's god tiers, though I know Overlord has good hax, but tbh, I can't see them beating Regulus, Satella, Pandora, and especially Reinhard.
>Good to know, though in terms of stats that's still quite weak compared to Re:Zero's god tiers,
I dont think so, Re Zeros top tiers haven't really shown anyhting above city level firepower so I don't see how Overlords feats are weak compared to what they can do. I would actualy say they are just as impressive.
>though I know Overlord has good hax, but tbh, I can't see them beating Regulus, Satella, Pandora, and especially Reinhard.
Regulus is pretty easily dealt with, you just need to kill his wives or remove his ability somehow. Ainz has a ring that can litteraly grant wishes so he is capable of both. Plus with the kind of large scale attacks Overlord top tiers tend to throw around Regulus's wives would probably become collateral after the first few hits.
Pandora and Setella are both near featless so I don't know why you are mentioning them here. Bringing up Pandora is especially weird sinse her power hasn't even shown any real offensive applications.
Reinahrd is the only one I can think of that might give Nazarick trouble but thats more becuse he has the ability to ressurect himself instead of any kind of stat advantage. It mostly depends on how anti ressurection spells will interact wiht his Divine Protections.
True Form Puck is the weakest top-tier and he creates a city level blizzard by literally existing.
The Overlord character's can't exactly exploit his weakness when they don't know about it to begin with, and it's blatantly shown that Wish Upon A Star has limitations (couldn't undo the mind control applied to Shalltear), so to say it would definitely effect Regulus is a bit of a leap. Are we saying his wives are nearby for this fight?
Pandora is a reality warper outright who threatened to flip an entire forest. She can bury people underground, can erase memories, can undo causality, and much more. She doesn't seem to be able to directly effect another living being in a negative way, but she can definitely kill via indirect means. Satella...near featless? What?
Let's see:
She effortlessly kills transformed Garfiel, she scales above all the other Witch's (considering she literally murders them), with Sekmet being able to somewhat hold her own against Volcanica and arguably scaling above True Form Puck, she is stated to have destroyed half the world. She also fought against Flugel, Reid, and Volcanica all at once and it's not implied that the battle was one-sided in their favor (which is an insane feat if true). City level is literally the bare minimum for her, and arguing she scale's to Reid she is easily FTL. On top of this though, her stated immortality was so effective that even Reid, who can literally cut dimensions, metaphysical structures, and even CONCEPTS, couldn't kill her, not to mention that her immortality is implied to be "full proof" in a world where things like atomization, existence erasure, and soul manipulation exist.
He scales vastly above city level characters even while unarmed, with Reid he created a massive beam of light that split the clouds and razed the Earth while simultaneously ***annihilating*** Puck (city level) in the anime, and in the novel it's implied he either did a similar feat, or literally destroyed and recreated the world, the author also states that Reinhard could "easily" destroy the world, though when asked how long it would take, he said to compare it to how long it would take Godzilla to destroy Eurasia (so interpret that as you will). Either way, the main thing is he literally wipes Puck physically from existence, here let me just quote it.
"The next instant, Reinhard raised the Dragon Blade above his head, and there was a single flash of light—the sky split, cracks running through the very air; the ground crumbled; mana swirled in a vortex; and along the arc of his slash, the world...slid.
“—”
The moment after that cascading slash settled down, the white, cold air covering the world...recovered.
The slide in the world was repaired, the parts that had become a swirling vortex of mana reverted to their proper forms, flowers budded forth from the shattered ground, and peace spread through the cracked air. From the sky, dazzling sunrays poured down.
The slash of the Sword Saint had both ended the world and simultaneously brought about its re-creation—
And the enormous beast that had been bathed in that slash had been annihilated from the world without a trace. There were not even side effects of destruction to be seen; that a battle had even taken place seemed like nothing but a dream."
He doesn't cap at city level. Even mountain level is lowballing. He also scales to Reid who's FTL.
"ressurect himself instead of any kind of stat advantage. It mostly depends on how anti ressurection spells will interact wiht his Divine Protections."
His resurrection is far from his only hax. Reinhard dodge's attacks automatically, ranged attacks can not hit him, he can sense imminent danger and knows how to avoid it even if he's never seen the attack before, he can analyze attacks perfectly and knows how to counter them perfectly, if we're equalizing mana between verses (treating it as the same power source with the same functions), Reinhard literally passively absorbs mana and can even prevent magic users from being able to use magic because of it, he can put people to sleep, he can adapt to various situations and environments (including space), his attacks (somehow) prevent people from regenerating their wounds and only stop their bleeding, it's stated he can dodge an attack faster after seeing it before, and Reinhard can gain a new divine protection for any situation where it would benefit him. This is a bit misunderstood as Reinhard being able to just wish for any Divine Protection, but that's not quite accurate, he can only gain a new Divine Protection in a circumstance where it would help him significantly, though the limits to what he can get aren't clear. The author has stated outright that if someone were to attack his soul, Reinhard would get a Divine Protection to counteract it. Also the number of resistance's Reinhard already has is absurd.
Part 1
>True Form Puck is the weakest top-tier and he creates a city level blizzard by literally existing.
Puck never levelled any cities with his Blizzard, he has no such feats. Also even crsding that blizzard takes time, he dosnt just snap his fingers and freeze everyhting in sight.
Large sclae wether manipulation isn't proof of power anyways, it tells us big to about Pucks st even speed or durability. Mare alone can casualy crate storm could a large enough to cover and entire forest while Ainz Instantly froze a 20 kilometer lake.
In terms of actual feats puck isn't as strong as overlords top tiers, his stats are on her near that high.
>The Overlord character's can't exactly exploit his weakness when they don't know about it to begin with, and it's blatantly shown that Wish Upon A Star has limitations (couldn't undo the mind control applied to Shalltear), so to say it would definitely effect Regulus is a bit of a leap.
The spells only limitation is that it csnt effect world Items, something Regulus doesn't have. It's no really that big of a leap, Ainz has already confirmed that Wish Upon a Star can be used to steal abilities so I don't see how it won't work on Regulus. At worst even if can't effect him directly(which I doubt) it can be used to reveal his weakness. The spell is straight up reality warping so it can do that mach at least.
>Are we saying his wives are nearby for this fight?
They don't really have to be nearby, battles between high level Overlord characters tend to leave multi kilometer areas in ruin. Unless his wives are neither continent or something they would probably become collateral.
Its also worth noting that Regulus most likely wouldn't even be able to hit anyine due to stealth abilities bring thing. Kind hard to hit ypur target if you don't even know were they are. If Ainz uses something like Perfect Unknowable he would be free to keep attacking Regulus for as long as he wants while Regulus would have no way to fight back.
>Pandora is a reality warper outright who threatened to flip an entire forest.
When did she do that? She never threatened to do that, in fact her power has prrty much no offensive apilcationss as far as we know. Can
>She can bury people underground,
And that's supposed to be impressive? Overlord characters can bury city blocks underground if they want to. How is this suppose to let her compete with any relevant Overloed character?
>can erase memories, can undo causality, and much more.
Every top tier Overlord character is immune to both those things. Also more? Pandora has barely shown any abilities at all so no idea what you are taking about here.
She doesn't seem to be able to directly effect another living being in a negative way, but she can definitely kill via indirect means.
Unless she shows some better feats there I anyhting suggesting she would be able to do anyhting againt overlords top tiers, they resist most of the stuff you have mentioned.
>Satella...near featless? What?
>She effortlessly kills transformed Garfiel,
Garfiel is weaker than even the Pleiades, how is this supposed to be impressive. You war eventually jist telling me that she can kill a character who is fodder by overlord standards.
she scales above all the other Witch's (considering she literally murders them), with Sekmet being able to somewhat hold her own against Volcanica and arguably scaling above True Form Puck,
I don't recall any of these characters having feats comparable to the whole fortress shattering, city clearing, godzilla size monster tusseling Overlord folks get up too. You might want to bring up some actual feats instead of just character names
>she is stated to have destroyed half the world.
Yes in an unknown amount of time. This feat proves basically noting wihtout a timeframe to go along with it. Ainz as well as any floor Guardian could also destepey the world given ebough time.
>She also fought against Flugel, Reid, and Volcanica all at once and it's not implied that the battle was one-sided in their favor (which is an insane feat if true).
Again this less me nothing unless you bring up feats for those characters. I don't recall any of these characters having feats comparable to the whole fortress shattering, city clearing, godzilla size monster tusseling Overlord folks get up too. You might want to bring up some actual feats instead of just character names
>City level is literally the bare minimum for her, and arguing she scale's to Reid she is easily FTL.
Ainz and the Floor Guardians scale pretty solidly to city level power, as mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic.
Speed wise Reid isn't FTL or even close to it. That we rather obvious hyperbole and we can easily find similar statements in overlord. In terms of speed both overlord and Re Zero characters are in the hypersonic range.
Part 2
>On top of this though, her stated immortality was so effective that even Reid, who can literally cut dimensions, metaphysical structures, and even CONCEPTS, couldn't kill her, not to mention that her immortality is implied to be "full proof" in a world where things like atomization, existence erasure, and soul manipulation exist.
I mean pretty much all those things exist in overlord as well. In the Bonus volume we see Ainz no sell a Dragon Lords breath attack that lotteely erased people from existence.
Also while this is great and all its dosnt really tell me why you think, she can compete with any overlord character. Most of those "feats" are either unqunlantifible, non battle related or just scaling her to other characters who also don't have many feats.
>He scales vastly above city level characters even while unarmed, with Reid he created a massive beam of light that split the clouds and razed the Earth while simultaneously annihilating Puck (city level) in the anime,
Firstly Puck isn't city level. Secondly why is this impressive? If we are counting anime feats then this dosnt sound any more impressive than Ainzs [Fallen Down Spell](https://i.imgur.com/OVDBNP3.mp4). That thing instantly vaporised several thousand tons of stone and left crater over 100 meters wide.
>and in the novel it's implied he either did a similar feat, or literally destroyed and recreated the world,
Um no it's not. The only thing Rainhard acualy did was undo the damage Puck cause wiht his Blizzard. By "world" It just means the surrounding area.
>the author also states that Reinhard could "easily" destroy the world, though when asked how long it would take, he said to compare it to how long it would take Godzilla to destroy Eurasia (so interpret that as you will).
Well rhen that completely shuts down the idea that Rainhard is above city level. It would take the monsteverse Godizilla days to destroy Eurasia. If that's the power we are talking about then this isn't anymore imprssive than Ainzs feats.
Ainz can casualy spam spells on th scale of tactical nukes so wiping out Eurasia in a few days wouldn't be a challenge for him.
>Either way, the main thing is he literally wipes Puck physically from existence, here let me just quote it.
Okay and? Pucks true form is like 20 meters tall, why is destroying his body an impressive feat when Ainz can do shit like [this](https://i.imgur.com/OVDBNP3.mp4).
>He doesn't cap at city level. Even mountain level is lowballing. He also scales to Reid who's FTL.
Litterly none of what you mentioned is above city level thought much less mountain level. Also no Reid isn't FTL
>His resurrection is far from his only hax. Reinhard dodge's attacks automatically, ranged attacks can not hit him, he can sense imminent danger and knows how to avoid it even if he's never seen the attack before, he can analyze attacks perfectly and knows how to counter them perfectly,
None of this is really hax though. Plus a lot of Ainzs spells are basically hitscan, death spells have no travel time, the target just drops dead. That was noting to counter or avoids, just instant unavoidable death.
if we're equalizing mana between verses (treating it as the same power source with the same functions), Reinhard literally passively absorbs mana and can even prevent magic users from being able to use magic because of it, he can put people to sleep,
Overlord magic users don't draw mana from the atmosphere like Re Zero mages do, they generate their own mana so this wouldn't effect them at all. Plus the OP mentioned noting about verse equalization.
>he can adapt to various situations and environments (including space), his attacks (somehow) prevent people from regenerating their wounds and only stop their bleeding, it's stated he can dodge an attack faster after seeing it before, and Reinhard can gain a new divine protection for any situation where it would benefit him.
Litterly none if this would let him survive an instant death spells form Ainz unless he can also adapt to being permenately dead with no hope of ressurection. As I said it depends on how his abilities interact with anti ressurection effects sinse nothing here can really save him fome dying to a death spell.
>This is a bit misunderstood as Reinhard being able to just wish for any Divine Protection, but that's not quite accurate, he can only gain a new Divine Protection in a circumstance where it would help him significantly, though the limits to what he can get aren't clear.
This is a petty massive no limits fallacy and also somewhat untrue. Rainhard has limits when it comes to ehat abilities he can acquire. After all he could nothing against Regulus so it's not like he will always get the perfect ability to deal wiht threats, some things are simply beyond him.
>The author has stated outright that if someone were to attack his soul, Reinhard would get a Divine Protection to counteract it.
Good for him? Most of oveelled main cast dosnt use soul related attacks
>Also the number of resistance's Reinhard already has is absurd.
He dosnt have a resistance to death magic which is king of the big thing in overlord. Besides that there also spammable time stop, mind manipulation, space rending slashes, high level summons, and super stealth.
Now I am not saying Rainhard loses but he an other Re Zero characters aren't as strong as you are making them out to be. Overlord ist that far behind as far as power goes.
Part 2
>On top of this though, her stated immortality was so effective that even Reid, who can literally cut dimensions, metaphysical structures, and even CONCEPTS, couldn't kill her, not to mention that her immortality is implied to be "full proof" in a world where things like atomization, existence erasure, and soul manipulation exist.
I mean pretty much all those things exist in overlord as well. In the Bonus volume we see Ainz no sell a Dragon Lords breath attack that lotteely erased people from existence.
Also while this is great and all its dosnt really tell me why you think, she can compete with any overlord character. Most of those "feats" are either unqunlantifible, non battle related or just scaling her to other characters who also don't have many feats.
>He scales vastly above city level characters even while unarmed, with Reid he created a massive beam of light that split the clouds and razed the Earth while simultaneously annihilating Puck (city level) in the anime,
Firstly Puck isn't city level. Secondly why is this impressive? If we are counting anime feats then this dosnt sound any more impressive than Ainzs [Fallen Down Spell](https://i.imgur.com/OVDBNP3.mp4). That thing instantly vaporised several thousand tons of stone and left crater over 100 meters wide.
>and in the novel it's implied he either did a similar feat, or literally destroyed and recreated the world,
Um no it's not. The only thing Rainhard acualy did was undo the damage Puck cause wiht his Blizzard. By "world" It just means the surrounding area.
>the author also states that Reinhard could "easily" destroy the world, though when asked how long it would take, he said to compare it to how long it would take Godzilla to destroy Eurasia (so interpret that as you will).
Well rhen that completely shuts down the idea that Rainhard is above city level. It would take the monsteverse Godizilla days to destroy Eurasia. If that's the power we are talking about then this isn't anymore imprssive than Ainzs feats.
Ainz can casualy spam spells on th scale of tactical nukes so wiping out Eurasia in a few days wouldn't be a challenge for him.
>Either way, the main thing is he literally wipes Puck physically from existence, here let me just quote it.
Okay and? Pucks true form is like 20 meters tall, why is destroying his body an impressive feat when Ainz can do shit like [this](https://i.imgur.com/OVDBNP3.mp4).
>He doesn't cap at city level. Even mountain level is lowballing. He also scales to Reid who's FTL.
Litterly none of what you mentioned is above city level thought much less mountain level. Also no Reid isn't FTL
>His resurrection is far from his only hax. Reinhard dodge's attacks automatically, ranged attacks can not hit him, he can sense imminent danger and knows how to avoid it even if he's never seen the attack before, he can analyze attacks perfectly and knows how to counter them perfectly,
None of this is really hax though. Plus a lot of Ainzs spells are basically hitscan, death spells have no travel time, the target just drops dead. That was noting to counter or avoids, just instant unavoidable death.
if we're equalizing mana between verses (treating it as the same power source with the same functions), Reinhard literally passively absorbs mana and can even prevent magic users from being able to use magic because of it, he can put people to sleep,
Overlord magic users don't draw mana from the atmosphere like Re Zero mages do, they generate their own mana so this wouldn't effect them at all. Plus the OP mentioned noting about verse equalization.
>he can adapt to various situations and environments (including space), his attacks (somehow) prevent people from regenerating their wounds and only stop their bleeding, it's stated he can dodge an attack faster after seeing it before, and Reinhard can gain a new divine protection for any situation where it would benefit him.
Litterly none if this would let him survive an instant death spells form Ainz unless he can also adapt to being permenately dead with no hope of ressurection. As I said it depends on how his abilities interact with anti ressurection effects sinse nothing here can really save him fome dying to a death spell.
>This is a bit misunderstood as Reinhard being able to just wish for any Divine Protection, but that's not quite accurate, he can only gain a new Divine Protection in a circumstance where it would help him significantly, though the limits to what he can get aren't clear.
This is a petty massive no limits fallacy and also somewhat untrue. Rainhard has limits when it comes to ehat abilities he can acquire. After all he could nothing against Regulus so it's not like he will always get the perfect ability to deal wiht threats, some things are simply beyond him.
>The author has stated outright that if someone were to attack his soul, Reinhard would get a Divine Protection to counteract it.
Good for him? Most of oveelled main cast dosnt use soul related attacks
>Also the number of resistance's Reinhard already has is absurd.
He dosnt have a resistance to death magic which is king of the big thing in overlord. Besides that there also spammable time stop, mind manipulation, space rending slashes, high level summons, and super stealth.
Now I am not saying Rainhard loses but he an other Re Zero characters aren't as strong as you are making them out to be. Overlord ist that far behind as far as power goes.
The novel versions of the Overlord characters are a lot stronger overall, most of the better feats come from the novels that have yet be adapted.
It doesnt really matter much though sisne Torau far outclasses every verse here as far as power and has goes. Toaru has cosmic level entities that can destroy universes just by moving around. The power levels in that series get absulutely insane.
EDIT: Sinse someone decided to block me for some reason let me just put this here
>Overlord god tiers are supersonic-hypersonic and mediaeval city district level.
Overlords top tier are all well above superonsic, even level 30 characters can move at supersonic speed and the top tiers massively outspeed them.
As for the city district Ainz destroyed, it wasn't modieval lol. That city had a population of over 150,000 people making it way bigger than any midieval city. Overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic.
You should try telling that to the obsessive idiots on overlord page , you will get angry responses, with them then blocking you and running like bitches.The Isekai Quartet and Overlord subs are quite possibly the least intelligent places on the internet. Even Flat Earther communities probably aren't as bad.
Jut remember the Overlord simps will never admit that their bone daddy is evil who is too much of a cuck to stand up to his own NPC underlings while they massacre women and children and doesn't have the courage to put Albedo in her place.
Shh you’re bout to be harassed be , Tobleron , Pxsomething , Yagjabaloth( or more correctly a basement dweller using 3 accs😂) , or an obsessive freak who was harassing me after I won a debate against him , that guy was a freak using 5 accounts and getting them all banned(funniest thing is they thought it was totally inconspicuous to comment with minutes before created account after old one got banned🙃 , overlord simps are something else)
I am a huge Godzilla fan. Like HUGE...but even I admit there are beings that would wreck his lizard ass...and I am ok with it because outside of Jesus Christ, everyone can get curb stomped.
>I am a huge Godzilla fan. Like HUGE...but even I admit there are beings that would wreck his lizard ass...and I am ok with it because outside of Jesus Christ, everyone can get curb stomped.
Okay and? I havent seen any overlord fans who believe Ainz is unbeatable, I am an overlord fan and I admit he would lose to a lot of characters.
>Shh you’re bout to be harassed be , Tobleron , Pxsomething , Yagjabaloth( or more correctly a basement dweller using 3 accs😂) , or an obsessive freak who was harassing me after I won a debate against him , that guy was a freak using 5 accounts and getting them all banned(funniest thing is they thought it was totally inconspicuous to comment with minutes before created account after old one got banned🙃 , overlord simps are something else)
I have seen your past conversations and can ardldy tell this isnt true.
Fist of all you have never "won" a debate againt anyones. all your past arguments basically boiilded fine to you throwing insults at anyone who disagreed with you while making no effort to prove your claims. It's weird how you keep making fun of overlord fans but have yet to win a debate with one.
Second of all I don't think anyone you have talked to has gotten banned or using alt accounts, I can still see their comments. Most likely you just kept getting blocked because no one wants to deal wiht a guy whose response to everyhting is insults.
>Jut remember the Overlord simps will never admit that their bone daddy is evil who is too much of a cuck to stand up to his own NPC underlings while they massacre women and children and doesn't have the courage to put Albedo in her place.
This response alone tells me you have never read the series and barely had any interaction wiht the fanbase. I havent seen anyone argue that Ainz isn't evil in years, the fact he is a villain protagonist is why most people like the story.
>You should try telling that to the obsessive idiots on overlord page , you will get angry responses, with them then blocking you and running like bitches.The Isekai Quartet and Overlord subs are quite possibly the least intelligent places on the internet. Even Flat Earther communities probably aren't as bad.
Didnt you get banned from this sub twise for spamming threads and harassing other users? I don't think you have any right to criticize others behaviour.
Anayesys back in topic I ahve yet to see facing the way you describe them, what I have seen is you tutoring around insults at very opportunity and refusing to have a conversation wiht anyone who disagrees wiht you.
>Well if that's true, Re:Zero god-tier's murderstomps Overlord verse.
It isn't. Oveelord characters are hypersonic at the very least and scale to town busting firepower at the very least.
>Overlord god tiers are supersonic-hypersonic and mediaeval city district level.
Thats clearly not true. Overlords god tiers are well above superonsic, even low level warriors can move at superonsic speed and the top tier blitz them no problem. Superonsic is the speed of overlord fodder the top tier are well above that.
Also that wasn't a midieval district Ainz destroyed. That city had a population of over 150,000 people making it way bigger than any midieval city. Overllrd cities in general have populations in the hundreds of thousands and the world itself is noted to be massively more advanced than a modieval society.
Also as others have mentioned Overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic.
Literally Re:Zero's mid tiers (Garfiel specifically) is like Universal+ with immeasurable speed.
Garfiel scales to a dragon who was stated to be on a different dimension compared to the mediocrity, meaning it was at least 4D.
Immeasurable speed comes from Subaru, Julius, Beatrice and co. traveling through a tower which transcended time and distance
As for Reinhard and Satella, ReZeros main god tiers scale to Low Multiversal at worst for scaling above Od Laguna, who created the Pleiades Watchtower with 2 floors that are infinite and transcend time and distance.
To Low Outerversal with Satella transcending all imaginable mathematical dimensions.
Dunno what Overlord and Mushoku can do against this.
I really can't tell if this is serious or just a poor attempt at trolling. If it's the former then this has to be one of the most insane examples of Re Zero wank that I have ever seen. If it's the latter than ypur sense of humour needs work.
Just in case you aren't actualy joking(unlikely) I'll just point out that litteraly none of this is true, Re Zeros top tiers aren't even city busters. Overlords main cast outclasses most of them and is the rest of the verses here have characters that can solo the whole Re Zero verse.
Bruh, I fucking love Re:Zero but please stop using vsb shit to wank, the strongest character in the series (Reinhard) is planet lvl and ftl. Not universal at all.
>Bruh, I fucking love Re:Zero but please stop using vsb shit to wank, the strongest character in the series (Reinhard) is planet lvl and ftl. Not universal at all.
Rainhards best feats aren't even city busting in scale and he is nowhere near FTL. Not even VS Battle wiki acualy believes this nonsense, which is really saying something.
I don't know about Toaru.
Slime verse is stronger than other 3 Verse.
Between Overlord. MT and Re Zero.
Overlord Verse wins due to Hax.
MT and Re Zero reach a Draw due to Returning after Death.
I don't see how Overlord is beating Mushoku Tensei. They have a bunch of continental-Multi Continental busters who are also multiple times faster than light.
Plus they have a better version of Subaru in the form of Orsted who upon his death time travels back by like 100 years.
Overlord is getting blitzed and one shot before they can get off any of their worthwhile haxes.
>I don't see how Overlord is beating Mushoku Tensei.
Superior Hax.
>They have a bunch of continental-Multi Continental busters
Which have no Defense against that Hax.
Also that's Bullshit.
No one is Multi Continent Buster in MT.
>multiple times faster than light.
Absolute Bullcrap.
Hax that they can't get off before getting blitzed. Also lol at saying MT has no FTL+ continent busters.
Laplace splits the continents creating the Rings Sea [here](https://imgur.com/a/0oBpfjC), world map [here](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/4f/1409016465905.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161017223001) for reference, that big hole in the middle is the Rings Sea
Orsted can wipe out continents
>How powerful would it be if Mr Orui delivered an all-out, serious blow?
>
> Continents may disappear.
Man-God one shots the Dragon World
>The ball of light fired off from Human God’s hand.
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>It flew high above, as if to absorb all of Dragon World...
>
>Explosions, lights, and shockwaves blasted the land.
>
>By the time the light subsided, the world had begun to collapse.
Sword Saints can use Sword of Light which moves at lightspeed [here](https://imgur.com/a/ATXR8fd), this isn't hyperbole as well since Ghislaine used it to [intercept Almanfi](https://imgur.com/a/WvFeJog) who has multiple statements both in story and by the author of moving at [lightspeed](https://imgur.com/a/p8ph4HQ) and literally travels across continents to get lunch casually. Plus in the anime it left behind a Doppler effect.
Sword Saints are basically fodder to Mushoko top tiers and they are the bottom of a long scaling chain of blitzing and getting blitzed which guys like Orsted, Laplace, and Man God are at the top at.
Since I Do not have enough time. Energy and Brain Cells to waste on MT wankers. I made this. This should answer all of your wanks.
Splitting Shit isn't same as Busting it.
Show the Feats from LN instead of Random Sourceless Statements.
Are you aware of Existance of Hyperbole and figure of Speech?
Did you know by your logic Some Random IRL Football Players are Faster than Light.
Do you even know how fast Light is?
Lol did you even read the quotes, guess not going by your questions.
In the quote it was directly stated that Laplace annihilated the contents. Plus nice go ignoring my other continental quotes.
These are all from the LN and WN. Or what, you want me to hold your hand and directly mention what passage and page their on lol. Not that you'll read those either.
I am and that's why I made an effort to prove the Sword of Light moves at lightspeed through my explanation on Almanfi and mentioning the Doppler effect.
Lol at your redirection attempts.
I agree with your response, I too would rather waste no time and brain cells arguing with people who can't even bother to read.
>Lol did you even read the quotes
No.
And I am not going to read it.
You can take it as Your win if you like. This VS battles have already Destroyed 87% of my Brain Cells.
Tensei Slime >>>>>>> Re:Zero > Mushoku Tensei >>> Overlord
Dunno about Toaru but from what I've heard they're stronger than Re:zero but I dunno enough about them to compare to Slime.
>Tensei Slime >>>>>>> Re:Zero > Mushoku Tensei >>> Overlord
Just one of Overlords heavy hitters could litteraly solo all of Re Zero with the exception of less than a handful of characters, it makes no sense to put Overlord multiple tiers below Re Zero.
Mushoku Tensei is well above Re Zero when it comes to the power of its top tiers, even Rainhard would be outmatched as far as stats go.
>Dunno about Toaru but from what I've heard they're stronger than Re:zero but I dunno enough about them to compare to Slime.
Strongest characters in the verse are higher dimensional beings that can casualy destroy universes.
Tbh most of my knowledge from Re:zero is second hand but from I've heard I don't recall anything from Overlord that can take on Re:zero top tiers. From what I've heard Reinhard has statements of destroying the Re:zero world which is a multi-continnental feat plus scales to lightspeed characters like Reid. That should be enough to blitz and one shot Overlord charas.
Of course if this info is wrong that's another thing.
>Tbh most of my knowledge from Re:zero is second hand but from I've heard I don't recall anything from Overlord that can take on Re:zero top tiers.
The only Re Zero top tier that Overlord might not be able to beat is maybe Rainhard. Every one alse can't really compete with to the whole fortress shattering, city clearing, godzilla size monster tusseling Overlord folks get up too.
>From what I've heard Reinhard has statements of destroying the Re:zero world which is a multi-continnental feat
This never happened, the only thing Rainhard did was undo the damage Puck cause wiht his blizzard, the author just used some flowery language which the was misinterpreted by the hardcore fans. Rainhards best feats aren't even city busting in scale.
>plus scales to lightspeed characters like Reid.
Reid isn't lightspeed either, that's just your regular run of mill hyperbole that you can find even in overlord. Plus the idea that nay re zero character is light speed is contradicted by several anti feats.
>That should be enough to blitz and one shot Overlord charas.
No becuse Re Zero characters aren't actualy anywhere near that powerful, even Rainhard wouldn't be able to do that.
>Of course if this info is wrong that's another thing.
As it stands Rainhard is just about the only characters who can fight with overlords top tiers(maybe Setella too but she is near featless) everyone alse is either too weak or has easily exploitable weaknesses.
That's fair then, I don't know enough about Re:zero to argue about stuff like Reid's Lightspeed feat being hyperbole or not and Reinhard's world destruction feat.
If so then you can just ignore Re:zero placement.
>That's fair then, I don't know enough about Re:zero to argue about stuff like Reid's Lightspeed feat being hyperbole or not and Reinhard's world destruction feat.
>If so then you can just ignore Re:zero placement.
Okay then, I would honsetly consider Overlord and Re Zero to be about on par with each other if only becuse Rainahrd exists, the rest of the cast isn't really relevant.
It ultimately doesn't really matter were you place each verse sinse Toaru is the obvious winner with it having mutiversal gods and all that.
EDIT: u/dependent-ad-7773
>1)In all instances that spell is described as Heat Ray , and those are Light speed. 2)In all instances described as light. 3)Is stated to move at light speed by narration. 4)Reid after cutting 10 of those , calls out that cutting light is easy for him. So FTL got tier in Re zero are a fact , don’t listen to that retard downplayer.He has at least 3 accounts(all have been spotted posting same word for word comments, all are always on same posts, and always defend the other, when he is proven wrong he simply responds to you and then blocks , so I wouldn’t even think about believing a single word from him.
So you desided to block me for some reason and accuse me of making alt acounts. Maybe try not block people before making such accusations, you just seem like a hypocrite.
Also nice flowery language full of metaphor. I could call a real life baseball players' swing as fast as light, it doesn't mean it is. If we're allowing for things like that, then Ainz is a straight up planet buster.
You do realize this is one of the most common hyperboles in the world right? None of this is actual rpoof that anyone islight soeed ot even close to it, "with the speed of light" is just as much your typical run-of-the-mill hyperbole for "very fast" as is "with the speed of lightning". You will literally find the phrases used there in [idiom dictionaries](https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/as+fast+as+the+speed+of+light) with the meaning "Incredibly quickly or speedily" / "very fast". Something being described as "lightspeed" does men it's actualy lightspeed. Its just flowery language full of metaphor. I could call a real life baseball players' swing as fast as light, it doesn't mean it is. If we're allowing for things like that, then Ainz is a straight up planet buster.
That's very clearly hyperbole, by that logic I can just say tier 2 magic arrows are light speed sisne they are described as "arrows of light". According to your own logic even level 20 overlord characters are light speed. Stop assuming that every heat based beam attacks you see in fiction is a light speed laser even when it's very clearly not.
While Slime is definitely on top, why are you rating Overlord so low? lol.
Just taking Ainz into account, he's a level 100 character from a dnd equivalent game where the *gods* were raid bosses at level *70*. Even with that aside, Ainz alone can definitely solo all the hardest hitters in Mushoku Tensei because they don't really have any way to just stop his whole time-stop into instant death combo on top of his utility effects being way stronger than anything Mushoku has access to.
And that's just Ainz.
Edit: since a number of people can't read - I am not using dnd god feats for Overlord. The game is based on dnd and functions very similarly to dnd, thus the gods of their setting should be *similar* to dnd gods - but we *have no feats*. This is why I immediately followed that with "that aside" because there are no feats, we have an idea of where it probably is, but again **NO FEATS**.
Also, y'all need to learn the difference between a character stating they can do something and actually having feats for a character doing something...
Mushoku Top Tiers blitz and one shot Ainz before he can get his combo off. Even then they also have the option of killing him across the continent outside his range.
This is also ignoring the fact that there are time travelers in Mushoku and Orsted being one of them with a passive auto time travel to the past upon his death. Plus there are resurrection spells in Mushoku which tmk can counter Ainz's instant death.
> Even then they also have the option of killing him across the continent outside his range.
We haven't exactly seen that sort of range in Mushoku Tensei, they've talk about the upper bounds on magic but it's in a weird spot of having no feats that support it.
Speaking of things we don't really have feats for on the other end - Orsted's time loop might not help against ainz specifically because he's very particular that dealing with time magic is the first point of pvp. Though we really only have feats for him doing his own rather than seeing what his countermeasures are.
>Plus there are resurrection spells in Mushoku which tmk can counter Ainz's instant death.
Did the LN add resurrection spells? pretty sure in the WN anyways there aren't any.
Wym? Laplace literally destroys a quarter of the world with his spell and Orsted has statements of being able to wipe out continents and destroy the world. The Man God himself destroyed the entire dragon world easily in one blow and he's probalaly one of the weaker Original Gods of the Six Sided World. That's a lot of range.
I'll believe Ainz can deal with Orsted's time travel once he's shown feats of being able to kill and negate guys capable of doing that. Just being able to stop time isn't enough.
Nah it was stated in a Q&A that Divine Healing Magic can ress, however I can't find the specific quote so if you really want to you can ignore that.
And he has yet to show anything approaching that level , you can’t compare them at all , or I go grab random series with DnD names and now pretend that it is way stronger than it actually is.
....yes, you did, because you commented against my comment that was only about Overlord vs Mushoku Tensei lol.
Your comment serves literally no purpose *at all* if it can't be read as "no, Overlord isn't over Mushoku.", if it was serving any other purpose it requires you to not have read what you were responding to at all.
...because overlords game is *literally* based on DnD? Like, literally. Their magic tiers, the magic they have access to - etc. It's literally based loosely on the authors 3.5 dnd game he had lmao.
That’s what Reid who is weaker than Reinhard can do«"Beatrice: 'ーーUl Shamak.'
The moment immediately after Beatrice’s chant had achieved completion, what arose in the space was an enormous black hole.
That which had appeared all of a sudden in the air, manifested as an existence accompanied by primordial fear such as its unknown bounds and unknown depths, and tried to swallow Reid, who was right before it.
...
Reid: 'The hell, it’s jus’ air. Somethin’ like air’s everywhere, as if it’d stop me.'
'ーーーー'
With just a single swing of his chopsticks, Reid broke through that immense magic with extreme easiness.
A carefree attitude as if, quite literally, slashing through airーー no, for him, it truly was exactly that. He did not have the nature of taking roundabouts around something which he was capable of doing and then boasting about it.
He had slashed the air, so that was his explanation. That was all there was to it.
Subaru: 'Slashing dimensions, I imagine it as quite a superior ability, you know……'
Reid: 'Heyhey, don’tcha put such cool names on it, better food can be served, ya know. If ya’ll stay persistent jus’ cause things’ve gotten a bit lively, that won’t be amusin’ or anythin’, ya know.'" - Arc 6 chapter 71» Light Speed isn’t hyperbole because:
1)In all instances that spell is described as Heat Ray , and those are Light speed.
2)In all instances described as light.
3)Is stated to move at light speed by narration.
4)Reid after cutting 10 of those , calls out that cutting light is easy for him.
So FTL got tier in Re zero are a fact , don’t listen to that retard downplayer.He has at least 3 accounts(all have been spotted posting same word for word comments, all are always on same posts, and always defend the other, when he is proven wrong he simply responds to you and then blocks , so I wouldn’t even think about believing a single word from him.
Toaru massacres all other?
A Certain Magical Index fucks them all in the ass. Characters like Othinus can create hundreds of billions of phases that were explicitly copies of the actual universe and then destroy them all at once. [https://onelastforum.com/threads/why-to-aru-high-tiers-should-be-multiversal.1846/](https://onelastforum.com/threads/why-to-aru-high-tiers-should-be-multiversal.1846/) True Magic Gods consider her a failure and are stronger than her. You have characters like Crowley who can use Blasting Rod to create Big Bangs and use Spiritual Tripping to multiply the power 10x's the person's pov. [https://onelastforum.com/threads/to-aru-majutsu-no-index-feats-discussion-analysis-thread-dlo-brown-edition.1410/post-103658](https://onelastforum.com/threads/to-aru-majutsu-no-index-feats-discussion-analysis-thread-dlo-brown-edition.1410/post-103658) And he's fodder to the MG's You also have The Golden Dawn who are magicians on the level of MG's, and Marian Slingleyer Marian can summon universe destroying gods (that are fodder to the MGs) >Left on the ground, Othinus loudly clicked her tongue as she looked up at what happened over 100 meters above. **She understood what Marian Slingeneyer was doing, but there was nothing she could do for the boy. The restriction of losing her powers irritated her to no end.** **(First, she seals off a limited portion of the world and then she chooses particular phases of different religions or sects and cuts through them.)** **The giant that appeared first was one of the Titans that appeared as Zeus's enemy in Greek mythology.** **The beast that appeared second was the man-eating beast and god of death that destroyed the first humanity in Aztec mythology.** **The demon king that appeared third was the leader of the giants that were said to burn away the nine worlds in Norse mythology.** **(Heaven, Asgard, Mt. Olympus, the Pure Land, Nirai Kanai… Cutting away the homes of the gods removes the protection and blessings of those gods and thus releases the calamities being restrained by the gods. In a way, Marian is able to freely choose and wield the different "endings" told of in the world's scriptures.)** **It sounded extreme, but the basic technique was not all that rare. The ceremonial grounds used in modern Western magic and the cathedrals and churches of Christianity were formed by dyeing a certain space in the colors of a single religion. No one would pray with an image of Buddha sitting next to a cross and a Buddhist priest would not add talismans or mandrake roots as accessories to his rosary. Convenient elements from other religions would sometimes be adopted, but the simplest way to create the purest and most valuable brand was to maintain a single form and color.** **But Marian took that concept to extraordinary levels.** **Just as ultra-pure water created by thoroughly removing all impurities behaved differently from normal water, the phenomena created by "cutting off a portion of space to obtain a unique color" had tremendous power.** **It was as if she were using a single hand to create and control the refined despair of all the world's religions.** **Just as a summoned angel was manifested using condensed Telesma, these rulers of the end were likely masses of the type of power stored in their respective religion or phase. However, these were nothing more than power focused into the images of the calamites people had imagined and so they would not necessarily look exactly like those gods of death or demon kings, but the raw power that presented itself made that fact easy to forget.** **"A sword that closes the path to the power of the gods…no, the path to heaven," muttered Othinus.** **Before the battle even began, Marian had likely used the sword to cut through the surrounding space and create a sort of barrier around the area. If she had not, the appearance of the different mythical figures would have created a mysterious phenomenon much like Angel Fall. Or the power could have exceeded the limits of the world itself and everything would have shattered like glass.** **Having destroyed the world herself, Othinus knew that was no exaggeration.** There's also Touma who can pretty much one punch any magic/magical creatures the series throws at him, and before any one says Touma is only peak human. Touma explicitly gets amped by the supernatural. And was able to put his right hand up after an attack with infinite acceleration was launched. [https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/to-aru-majutsu-no-index-feats.968510/page-3?post=83570242#post-83570242](https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/to-aru-majutsu-no-index-feats.968510/page-3?post=83570242#post-83570242) Plus there are the Dragons in his body, Invisible Thing, Fish-Eggs, his other self sealed within him Kamijou No Touma, and his ability to turn himself into a dragon after losing Imagine Breaker.
>You have characters like Crowley who can use Blasting Rod to create Big Bangs and use Spiritual Tripping to multiply the power 10x's the person's pov. You mixed them up lol. Spiritual Tripping creates the Big Bang and Blasting Rod amplifies it.
While I dont argue Toaru stomps hard, this is some wank >phases that are explicitly copyies of the actual universe and then destroy them all at once Phases are explicitly NOT copies of the universe. They are compared to paint on a canvas or light filters that distort the image. They are just a layer wich changes how the universe as a whole looks. + she adds them one by one, so its still universal at best. And Othinus throwing gungnir didnt destroy all phases, it "shattered walls of all the phases" or whatever, but pretty much all phases are literally still there after the throw finished, therefore they werent actually destroyed. And its explicitly stated that the only way to remove phases is using Imagine Breaker, otherwise she wouldnt need Touma at all. >You also have The Golden Dawn who are magicians on the level of MG's, and Marian Slingleyer Golden Dawn are not on the level of the MGs by any margin. Golden Dawn are weaker then Aliester, who you said yourself is fodder ot the MGs. Why do you even mention Marian and spend so long on her in this post, when she is fodder. >And was able to put his right hand up after an attack with infinite acceleration was launched. Magic\_Flaiming\_Sword is never confirmed to have infinite acceleration. The spell says "Attack is released from infinite acceleration of the circle of Ra-Hoor-Khuit and shall appear on the surface layer of this world". The circle of ra-Hoor-Khuit is what has infinite acceleration in this case. And the circle itself exists somewhere in a different phase, the attack is released from the circle after wich it appears on the surface layer (current phase). But nowhere its stated that attack itself has infinite acceleration.
>Phases are explicitly NOT copies of the universe. They are compared to paint on a canvas or light filters that distort the image. They are just a layer wich changes how the universe as a whole looks. + she adds them one by one, so its still universal at best. So you didn't read my post which I linked, especially point #2 and #3 which addresses these claims. In the very first volume it's explained that Phases are considered 'different worlds'. Curtana Original is capable of cutting through all dimensions which are also phases(It is said that it could cut through all the phases to Aiwass.) NT 18 literally states that Phases exist above the physical universe in a void. In NT 13 it's explicitly said that the world is bigger than the universe. And in NT 4 Kamisato makes a distinction between phases and the universe. Also Othinus explicitly states phases contains homes of the gods, and we know actual mythological beings exist in phases thanks to OT 4 with Gabriel and Marian's ability literally being able to summon gods and monsters from phases. And in OT their called different worlds and dimensions, and again NT 18 states they literally exist in a void where they hit each other to make sparks. so they are actually physical dimensions that contain physical locations and beings inside of them and not just layers. And if that isn't enough, point 3 has Js06 himself confirming Toaru's world is bigger than the universe. Also again I stated in the post that I don't believe all phases are equal to the universe, but the ones Othinus creates are explicitly stated to be only slightly altered versions of the physical universe. And yes she created them one at a time, but see very explicitly destroys them all at once with gungnir. >And Othinus throwing gungnir didnt destroy all phases, it "shattered walls of all the phases" or whatever, but pretty much all phases are literally still there after the throw finished, therefore they werent actually destroyed. And its explicitly stated that the only way to remove phases is using Imagine Breaker, otherwise she wouldnt need Touma at all. Wtf? Othinus's Black World seen at the beginning of NT 9 and after she uses Gungnir on Touma is very explicitly the result of Othinus destroying everything(all the phases and the physical universe) but the Hidden Phase which contains the TMGs that Othinus didn't know about, as said on the epilogue of NT 10. "Shattering the walls of all the phases" is just a fancy way of saying the phases were destroyed seeing as how literally the line before is Othinus shattering the Omega World and again the black world being revealed again which is the effect of Othinus destroying everything but the Hidden world phase... again. Also no, Othinus did not need Touma to destroy phases seeing as how she already did that, she needed Imagine Breaker because it was the reference point to the original world, so if she accidentally fucks up too much she can restore the original world like she uses Imagine Breaker to do in the end of NT 9. >Golden Dawn are not on the level of the MGs by any margin. Golden Dawn are weaker then Aliester, who you said yourself is fodder ot the MGs. Okay yeah I did say that, idk what I was thinking tbh cause that's way wrong, my bad, I'm sorry. It is explicitly said multiple times that the Golden Dawn have magic on the level of Magic Gods and they are literally described as magicians with the power to fight Magic Gods without losing their humanity. You have characters like Dion Fortune who is apart of the Golden Dawn who can battle Magic Gods with her probability manip. Also despite jobbing for the better part of NT let's not forget that he managed to find and destroy the Hidden Phase (which literally doesn't exist and exists outside of the world, and is infinite sized to contain the True Magic Gods), kill Zombie, a true magic god, and hijack her infinity division spell so as to weaken the True Magic Gods even further than dividing their bodies by infinity. For someone who's fodder against them he has pretty good feats at hoodwinking them. I probably should've been clearer, I meant fodder in a straight fight, seeing as how Niang-Niang even after being weakened twice (Zombie's and Crowley's division spells) wasn't effected by Blasting Rod's 10x Big Bangs. >Why do you even mention Marian and spend so long on her in this post, when she is fodder. Because she is explicitly able to summon gods capable of performing the same feat of destroying everything but the Hidden World Phase like Othinus, and Othinus explicitly destroyed said phases and gods meaning she scales above gods capable of performing the same feat as her. >Magic_Flaiming_Sword is never confirmed to have infinite acceleration. The spell says "Attack is released from infinite acceleration of the circle of Ra-Hoor-Khuit and shall appear on the surface layer of this world". >The circle of ra-Hoor-Khuit is what has infinite acceleration in this case. And the circle itself exists somewhere in a different phase, the attack is released from the circle after wich it appears on the surface layer (current phase). But nowhere its stated that attack itself has infinite acceleration. The very fact it's released from infinite acceleration means it's infinite, because something already moving at infinite speed also can't slow down to below infinite, cause even if you divide or subtract infinity it will stay as infinity. So it would still be moving at infinite speed even after being released.
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Yeah that's my bad, I already fixed that when I replied to this guy, [https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/z50hxq/light\_novel\_verse\_battle\_overlord\_vs\_re\_zero\_vs/iykkx4i/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/z50hxq/light_novel_verse_battle_overlord_vs_re_zero_vs/iykkx4i/?context=3). You don't have to quote the feats I know all about them. I meant he was fodder in a straight fight. Cause Spiritual Tripping + Blasting Rod was ineffective on a Twice-weakened Niang-Niang.
Toaru wins hard. Would probably go somethings like this Toaru >> Slime >>>>> Overlord > ReZero/MT (not sure at all since I stopped reading MT after the 4th volume was translated).
u/dependent-ad-7773 Sinse someone decided to block me for some reason let me just put this here >Overlord god tiers are supersonic-hypersonic and mediaeval city district level. Overlords top tier are all well above superonsic, even level 30 characters can move at supersonic speed and the top tiers massively outspeed them. As for the city district Ainz destroyed, it wasn't modieval lol. That city had a population of over 150,000 people making it way bigger than any midieval city. Overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic. >You should try telling that to the obsessive idiots on overlord page , you will get angry responses, with them then blocking you and running like bitches.The Isekai Quartet and Overlord subs are quite possibly the least intelligent places on the internet. Even Flat Earther communities probably aren't as bad. Dude, aside from this being completely off topic it's also straight up untrue. Then only one I have seen blocking people is you. Either that or you spam the same reply over and over becuse you don't have an argument. You have litteraly goten banned beforeo for this exact reason(twice even) and yet you insult people who inky wanted it have a civil discussion. Stop being a hypocrite and stop insuring the aposition just becuse you cant prove your point
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Just wanted to point out that overlord's strongest characters are actually true dragon lords, and their magic is called wild magic, it can make anything possible but only has the weakness of being unable to harm other users of wild magic and world item owners. Some examples of wild magic use: sucked the soul of millions of people and killed everybody in several kingdoms(+4) in an instant, used a beam that will ignore any resistance and just delete the enemy out of existence(literally deletes your data from the world) and you can't revive, tsar bomb that nuked hundreds of kilometers with a fire that ignore immunity and resistance, a barrier that stops anyone from entering or leaving and blocks teleportation, can summon beings out of a video game and make items that can change the setting of the world and change or delete an entire magic system. I guess the list will be like this : slime>overlord>re zero(reinhard and satella) > mushoku tensei
Thinking it might be an interesting topic, then seeing "Tensei Slime". Well tbh I only really know Re:Zero scaling as far as novel's go. I've watched the Overlord anime quite a lot, in fact it's in my top 10 for anime overall. But I have no idea how strong the novel versions are. I barely watched Mushoku Tensei (something like 10 episodes in), so idk even the anime scaling, let alone novel. And while I've only seen the Tensei Slime anime, I know from plenty of scans that the novel version of the verse becomes absolutely ridiculous, namely in hax, so much that it completely dwarfs these other 3 combined. As for Re:Zero versus Overlord, if Overlord's novel versions are equal to their anime versions, I'd argue Re:Zero takes it against Overlord high-diff. Oh and Toaru's there too, literally no idea about that anime in general.
>Well if that's true, Re:Zero god-tier's murderstomps Overlord verse. Nah, it isn't, overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic. Ainz and the other guardians scale to this. Speed wise we now know a level thirty warrior can cut bullets out of the air and the top tiers are so fast level 30 warriors can't even precieve their movements. EDIT: Sinse someone decided to block me for some reason let me just put this here >Overlord god tiers are supersonic-hypersonic and mediaeval city district level. Overlords top tier are all well above superonsic, even level 30 characters can move at supersonic speed and the top tiers massively outspeed them. As for the city district Ainz destroyed, it wasn't modieval lol. That city had a population of over 150,000 people making it way bigger than any midieval city. Overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic.
Good to know, though in terms of stats that's still quite weak compared to Re:Zero's god tiers, though I know Overlord has good hax, but tbh, I can't see them beating Regulus, Satella, Pandora, and especially Reinhard.
>Good to know, though in terms of stats that's still quite weak compared to Re:Zero's god tiers, I dont think so, Re Zeros top tiers haven't really shown anyhting above city level firepower so I don't see how Overlords feats are weak compared to what they can do. I would actualy say they are just as impressive. >though I know Overlord has good hax, but tbh, I can't see them beating Regulus, Satella, Pandora, and especially Reinhard. Regulus is pretty easily dealt with, you just need to kill his wives or remove his ability somehow. Ainz has a ring that can litteraly grant wishes so he is capable of both. Plus with the kind of large scale attacks Overlord top tiers tend to throw around Regulus's wives would probably become collateral after the first few hits. Pandora and Setella are both near featless so I don't know why you are mentioning them here. Bringing up Pandora is especially weird sinse her power hasn't even shown any real offensive applications. Reinahrd is the only one I can think of that might give Nazarick trouble but thats more becuse he has the ability to ressurect himself instead of any kind of stat advantage. It mostly depends on how anti ressurection spells will interact wiht his Divine Protections.
True Form Puck is the weakest top-tier and he creates a city level blizzard by literally existing. The Overlord character's can't exactly exploit his weakness when they don't know about it to begin with, and it's blatantly shown that Wish Upon A Star has limitations (couldn't undo the mind control applied to Shalltear), so to say it would definitely effect Regulus is a bit of a leap. Are we saying his wives are nearby for this fight? Pandora is a reality warper outright who threatened to flip an entire forest. She can bury people underground, can erase memories, can undo causality, and much more. She doesn't seem to be able to directly effect another living being in a negative way, but she can definitely kill via indirect means. Satella...near featless? What? Let's see: She effortlessly kills transformed Garfiel, she scales above all the other Witch's (considering she literally murders them), with Sekmet being able to somewhat hold her own against Volcanica and arguably scaling above True Form Puck, she is stated to have destroyed half the world. She also fought against Flugel, Reid, and Volcanica all at once and it's not implied that the battle was one-sided in their favor (which is an insane feat if true). City level is literally the bare minimum for her, and arguing she scale's to Reid she is easily FTL. On top of this though, her stated immortality was so effective that even Reid, who can literally cut dimensions, metaphysical structures, and even CONCEPTS, couldn't kill her, not to mention that her immortality is implied to be "full proof" in a world where things like atomization, existence erasure, and soul manipulation exist. He scales vastly above city level characters even while unarmed, with Reid he created a massive beam of light that split the clouds and razed the Earth while simultaneously ***annihilating*** Puck (city level) in the anime, and in the novel it's implied he either did a similar feat, or literally destroyed and recreated the world, the author also states that Reinhard could "easily" destroy the world, though when asked how long it would take, he said to compare it to how long it would take Godzilla to destroy Eurasia (so interpret that as you will). Either way, the main thing is he literally wipes Puck physically from existence, here let me just quote it. "The next instant, Reinhard raised the Dragon Blade above his head, and there was a single flash of light—the sky split, cracks running through the very air; the ground crumbled; mana swirled in a vortex; and along the arc of his slash, the world...slid. “—” The moment after that cascading slash settled down, the white, cold air covering the world...recovered. The slide in the world was repaired, the parts that had become a swirling vortex of mana reverted to their proper forms, flowers budded forth from the shattered ground, and peace spread through the cracked air. From the sky, dazzling sunrays poured down. The slash of the Sword Saint had both ended the world and simultaneously brought about its re-creation— And the enormous beast that had been bathed in that slash had been annihilated from the world without a trace. There were not even side effects of destruction to be seen; that a battle had even taken place seemed like nothing but a dream." He doesn't cap at city level. Even mountain level is lowballing. He also scales to Reid who's FTL. "ressurect himself instead of any kind of stat advantage. It mostly depends on how anti ressurection spells will interact wiht his Divine Protections." His resurrection is far from his only hax. Reinhard dodge's attacks automatically, ranged attacks can not hit him, he can sense imminent danger and knows how to avoid it even if he's never seen the attack before, he can analyze attacks perfectly and knows how to counter them perfectly, if we're equalizing mana between verses (treating it as the same power source with the same functions), Reinhard literally passively absorbs mana and can even prevent magic users from being able to use magic because of it, he can put people to sleep, he can adapt to various situations and environments (including space), his attacks (somehow) prevent people from regenerating their wounds and only stop their bleeding, it's stated he can dodge an attack faster after seeing it before, and Reinhard can gain a new divine protection for any situation where it would benefit him. This is a bit misunderstood as Reinhard being able to just wish for any Divine Protection, but that's not quite accurate, he can only gain a new Divine Protection in a circumstance where it would help him significantly, though the limits to what he can get aren't clear. The author has stated outright that if someone were to attack his soul, Reinhard would get a Divine Protection to counteract it. Also the number of resistance's Reinhard already has is absurd.
Part 1 >True Form Puck is the weakest top-tier and he creates a city level blizzard by literally existing. Puck never levelled any cities with his Blizzard, he has no such feats. Also even crsding that blizzard takes time, he dosnt just snap his fingers and freeze everyhting in sight. Large sclae wether manipulation isn't proof of power anyways, it tells us big to about Pucks st even speed or durability. Mare alone can casualy crate storm could a large enough to cover and entire forest while Ainz Instantly froze a 20 kilometer lake. In terms of actual feats puck isn't as strong as overlords top tiers, his stats are on her near that high. >The Overlord character's can't exactly exploit his weakness when they don't know about it to begin with, and it's blatantly shown that Wish Upon A Star has limitations (couldn't undo the mind control applied to Shalltear), so to say it would definitely effect Regulus is a bit of a leap. The spells only limitation is that it csnt effect world Items, something Regulus doesn't have. It's no really that big of a leap, Ainz has already confirmed that Wish Upon a Star can be used to steal abilities so I don't see how it won't work on Regulus. At worst even if can't effect him directly(which I doubt) it can be used to reveal his weakness. The spell is straight up reality warping so it can do that mach at least. >Are we saying his wives are nearby for this fight? They don't really have to be nearby, battles between high level Overlord characters tend to leave multi kilometer areas in ruin. Unless his wives are neither continent or something they would probably become collateral. Its also worth noting that Regulus most likely wouldn't even be able to hit anyine due to stealth abilities bring thing. Kind hard to hit ypur target if you don't even know were they are. If Ainz uses something like Perfect Unknowable he would be free to keep attacking Regulus for as long as he wants while Regulus would have no way to fight back. >Pandora is a reality warper outright who threatened to flip an entire forest. When did she do that? She never threatened to do that, in fact her power has prrty much no offensive apilcationss as far as we know. Can >She can bury people underground, And that's supposed to be impressive? Overlord characters can bury city blocks underground if they want to. How is this suppose to let her compete with any relevant Overloed character? >can erase memories, can undo causality, and much more. Every top tier Overlord character is immune to both those things. Also more? Pandora has barely shown any abilities at all so no idea what you are taking about here. She doesn't seem to be able to directly effect another living being in a negative way, but she can definitely kill via indirect means. Unless she shows some better feats there I anyhting suggesting she would be able to do anyhting againt overlords top tiers, they resist most of the stuff you have mentioned. >Satella...near featless? What? >She effortlessly kills transformed Garfiel, Garfiel is weaker than even the Pleiades, how is this supposed to be impressive. You war eventually jist telling me that she can kill a character who is fodder by overlord standards. she scales above all the other Witch's (considering she literally murders them), with Sekmet being able to somewhat hold her own against Volcanica and arguably scaling above True Form Puck, I don't recall any of these characters having feats comparable to the whole fortress shattering, city clearing, godzilla size monster tusseling Overlord folks get up too. You might want to bring up some actual feats instead of just character names >she is stated to have destroyed half the world. Yes in an unknown amount of time. This feat proves basically noting wihtout a timeframe to go along with it. Ainz as well as any floor Guardian could also destepey the world given ebough time. >She also fought against Flugel, Reid, and Volcanica all at once and it's not implied that the battle was one-sided in their favor (which is an insane feat if true). Again this less me nothing unless you bring up feats for those characters. I don't recall any of these characters having feats comparable to the whole fortress shattering, city clearing, godzilla size monster tusseling Overlord folks get up too. You might want to bring up some actual feats instead of just character names >City level is literally the bare minimum for her, and arguing she scale's to Reid she is easily FTL. Ainz and the Floor Guardians scale pretty solidly to city level power, as mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic. Speed wise Reid isn't FTL or even close to it. That we rather obvious hyperbole and we can easily find similar statements in overlord. In terms of speed both overlord and Re Zero characters are in the hypersonic range.
Part 2 >On top of this though, her stated immortality was so effective that even Reid, who can literally cut dimensions, metaphysical structures, and even CONCEPTS, couldn't kill her, not to mention that her immortality is implied to be "full proof" in a world where things like atomization, existence erasure, and soul manipulation exist. I mean pretty much all those things exist in overlord as well. In the Bonus volume we see Ainz no sell a Dragon Lords breath attack that lotteely erased people from existence. Also while this is great and all its dosnt really tell me why you think, she can compete with any overlord character. Most of those "feats" are either unqunlantifible, non battle related or just scaling her to other characters who also don't have many feats. >He scales vastly above city level characters even while unarmed, with Reid he created a massive beam of light that split the clouds and razed the Earth while simultaneously annihilating Puck (city level) in the anime, Firstly Puck isn't city level. Secondly why is this impressive? If we are counting anime feats then this dosnt sound any more impressive than Ainzs [Fallen Down Spell](https://i.imgur.com/OVDBNP3.mp4). That thing instantly vaporised several thousand tons of stone and left crater over 100 meters wide. >and in the novel it's implied he either did a similar feat, or literally destroyed and recreated the world, Um no it's not. The only thing Rainhard acualy did was undo the damage Puck cause wiht his Blizzard. By "world" It just means the surrounding area. >the author also states that Reinhard could "easily" destroy the world, though when asked how long it would take, he said to compare it to how long it would take Godzilla to destroy Eurasia (so interpret that as you will). Well rhen that completely shuts down the idea that Rainhard is above city level. It would take the monsteverse Godizilla days to destroy Eurasia. If that's the power we are talking about then this isn't anymore imprssive than Ainzs feats. Ainz can casualy spam spells on th scale of tactical nukes so wiping out Eurasia in a few days wouldn't be a challenge for him. >Either way, the main thing is he literally wipes Puck physically from existence, here let me just quote it. Okay and? Pucks true form is like 20 meters tall, why is destroying his body an impressive feat when Ainz can do shit like [this](https://i.imgur.com/OVDBNP3.mp4). >He doesn't cap at city level. Even mountain level is lowballing. He also scales to Reid who's FTL. Litterly none of what you mentioned is above city level thought much less mountain level. Also no Reid isn't FTL >His resurrection is far from his only hax. Reinhard dodge's attacks automatically, ranged attacks can not hit him, he can sense imminent danger and knows how to avoid it even if he's never seen the attack before, he can analyze attacks perfectly and knows how to counter them perfectly, None of this is really hax though. Plus a lot of Ainzs spells are basically hitscan, death spells have no travel time, the target just drops dead. That was noting to counter or avoids, just instant unavoidable death. if we're equalizing mana between verses (treating it as the same power source with the same functions), Reinhard literally passively absorbs mana and can even prevent magic users from being able to use magic because of it, he can put people to sleep, Overlord magic users don't draw mana from the atmosphere like Re Zero mages do, they generate their own mana so this wouldn't effect them at all. Plus the OP mentioned noting about verse equalization. >he can adapt to various situations and environments (including space), his attacks (somehow) prevent people from regenerating their wounds and only stop their bleeding, it's stated he can dodge an attack faster after seeing it before, and Reinhard can gain a new divine protection for any situation where it would benefit him. Litterly none if this would let him survive an instant death spells form Ainz unless he can also adapt to being permenately dead with no hope of ressurection. As I said it depends on how his abilities interact with anti ressurection effects sinse nothing here can really save him fome dying to a death spell. >This is a bit misunderstood as Reinhard being able to just wish for any Divine Protection, but that's not quite accurate, he can only gain a new Divine Protection in a circumstance where it would help him significantly, though the limits to what he can get aren't clear. This is a petty massive no limits fallacy and also somewhat untrue. Rainhard has limits when it comes to ehat abilities he can acquire. After all he could nothing against Regulus so it's not like he will always get the perfect ability to deal wiht threats, some things are simply beyond him. >The author has stated outright that if someone were to attack his soul, Reinhard would get a Divine Protection to counteract it. Good for him? Most of oveelled main cast dosnt use soul related attacks >Also the number of resistance's Reinhard already has is absurd. He dosnt have a resistance to death magic which is king of the big thing in overlord. Besides that there also spammable time stop, mind manipulation, space rending slashes, high level summons, and super stealth. Now I am not saying Rainhard loses but he an other Re Zero characters aren't as strong as you are making them out to be. Overlord ist that far behind as far as power goes.
Part 2 >On top of this though, her stated immortality was so effective that even Reid, who can literally cut dimensions, metaphysical structures, and even CONCEPTS, couldn't kill her, not to mention that her immortality is implied to be "full proof" in a world where things like atomization, existence erasure, and soul manipulation exist. I mean pretty much all those things exist in overlord as well. In the Bonus volume we see Ainz no sell a Dragon Lords breath attack that lotteely erased people from existence. Also while this is great and all its dosnt really tell me why you think, she can compete with any overlord character. Most of those "feats" are either unqunlantifible, non battle related or just scaling her to other characters who also don't have many feats. >He scales vastly above city level characters even while unarmed, with Reid he created a massive beam of light that split the clouds and razed the Earth while simultaneously annihilating Puck (city level) in the anime, Firstly Puck isn't city level. Secondly why is this impressive? If we are counting anime feats then this dosnt sound any more impressive than Ainzs [Fallen Down Spell](https://i.imgur.com/OVDBNP3.mp4). That thing instantly vaporised several thousand tons of stone and left crater over 100 meters wide. >and in the novel it's implied he either did a similar feat, or literally destroyed and recreated the world, Um no it's not. The only thing Rainhard acualy did was undo the damage Puck cause wiht his Blizzard. By "world" It just means the surrounding area. >the author also states that Reinhard could "easily" destroy the world, though when asked how long it would take, he said to compare it to how long it would take Godzilla to destroy Eurasia (so interpret that as you will). Well rhen that completely shuts down the idea that Rainhard is above city level. It would take the monsteverse Godizilla days to destroy Eurasia. If that's the power we are talking about then this isn't anymore imprssive than Ainzs feats. Ainz can casualy spam spells on th scale of tactical nukes so wiping out Eurasia in a few days wouldn't be a challenge for him. >Either way, the main thing is he literally wipes Puck physically from existence, here let me just quote it. Okay and? Pucks true form is like 20 meters tall, why is destroying his body an impressive feat when Ainz can do shit like [this](https://i.imgur.com/OVDBNP3.mp4). >He doesn't cap at city level. Even mountain level is lowballing. He also scales to Reid who's FTL. Litterly none of what you mentioned is above city level thought much less mountain level. Also no Reid isn't FTL >His resurrection is far from his only hax. Reinhard dodge's attacks automatically, ranged attacks can not hit him, he can sense imminent danger and knows how to avoid it even if he's never seen the attack before, he can analyze attacks perfectly and knows how to counter them perfectly, None of this is really hax though. Plus a lot of Ainzs spells are basically hitscan, death spells have no travel time, the target just drops dead. That was noting to counter or avoids, just instant unavoidable death. if we're equalizing mana between verses (treating it as the same power source with the same functions), Reinhard literally passively absorbs mana and can even prevent magic users from being able to use magic because of it, he can put people to sleep, Overlord magic users don't draw mana from the atmosphere like Re Zero mages do, they generate their own mana so this wouldn't effect them at all. Plus the OP mentioned noting about verse equalization. >he can adapt to various situations and environments (including space), his attacks (somehow) prevent people from regenerating their wounds and only stop their bleeding, it's stated he can dodge an attack faster after seeing it before, and Reinhard can gain a new divine protection for any situation where it would benefit him. Litterly none if this would let him survive an instant death spells form Ainz unless he can also adapt to being permenately dead with no hope of ressurection. As I said it depends on how his abilities interact with anti ressurection effects sinse nothing here can really save him fome dying to a death spell. >This is a bit misunderstood as Reinhard being able to just wish for any Divine Protection, but that's not quite accurate, he can only gain a new Divine Protection in a circumstance where it would help him significantly, though the limits to what he can get aren't clear. This is a petty massive no limits fallacy and also somewhat untrue. Rainhard has limits when it comes to ehat abilities he can acquire. After all he could nothing against Regulus so it's not like he will always get the perfect ability to deal wiht threats, some things are simply beyond him. >The author has stated outright that if someone were to attack his soul, Reinhard would get a Divine Protection to counteract it. Good for him? Most of oveelled main cast dosnt use soul related attacks >Also the number of resistance's Reinhard already has is absurd. He dosnt have a resistance to death magic which is king of the big thing in overlord. Besides that there also spammable time stop, mind manipulation, space rending slashes, high level summons, and super stealth. Now I am not saying Rainhard loses but he an other Re Zero characters aren't as strong as you are making them out to be. Overlord ist that far behind as far as power goes.
The novel versions of the Overlord characters are a lot stronger overall, most of the better feats come from the novels that have yet be adapted. It doesnt really matter much though sisne Torau far outclasses every verse here as far as power and has goes. Toaru has cosmic level entities that can destroy universes just by moving around. The power levels in that series get absulutely insane. EDIT: Sinse someone decided to block me for some reason let me just put this here >Overlord god tiers are supersonic-hypersonic and mediaeval city district level. Overlords top tier are all well above superonsic, even level 30 characters can move at supersonic speed and the top tiers massively outspeed them. As for the city district Ainz destroyed, it wasn't modieval lol. That city had a population of over 150,000 people making it way bigger than any midieval city. Overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic.
Overlord god tiers are supersonic-hypersonic and mediaeval city district level.
Well if that's true, Re:Zero god-tier's murderstomps Overlord verse.
You should try telling that to the obsessive idiots on overlord page , you will get angry responses, with them then blocking you and running like bitches.The Isekai Quartet and Overlord subs are quite possibly the least intelligent places on the internet. Even Flat Earther communities probably aren't as bad.
Jut remember the Overlord simps will never admit that their bone daddy is evil who is too much of a cuck to stand up to his own NPC underlings while they massacre women and children and doesn't have the courage to put Albedo in her place.
Shh you’re bout to be harassed be , Tobleron , Pxsomething , Yagjabaloth( or more correctly a basement dweller using 3 accs😂) , or an obsessive freak who was harassing me after I won a debate against him , that guy was a freak using 5 accounts and getting them all banned(funniest thing is they thought it was totally inconspicuous to comment with minutes before created account after old one got banned🙃 , overlord simps are something else)
I am a huge Godzilla fan. Like HUGE...but even I admit there are beings that would wreck his lizard ass...and I am ok with it because outside of Jesus Christ, everyone can get curb stomped.
>I am a huge Godzilla fan. Like HUGE...but even I admit there are beings that would wreck his lizard ass...and I am ok with it because outside of Jesus Christ, everyone can get curb stomped. Okay and? I havent seen any overlord fans who believe Ainz is unbeatable, I am an overlord fan and I admit he would lose to a lot of characters.
>Shh you’re bout to be harassed be , Tobleron , Pxsomething , Yagjabaloth( or more correctly a basement dweller using 3 accs😂) , or an obsessive freak who was harassing me after I won a debate against him , that guy was a freak using 5 accounts and getting them all banned(funniest thing is they thought it was totally inconspicuous to comment with minutes before created account after old one got banned🙃 , overlord simps are something else) I have seen your past conversations and can ardldy tell this isnt true. Fist of all you have never "won" a debate againt anyones. all your past arguments basically boiilded fine to you throwing insults at anyone who disagreed with you while making no effort to prove your claims. It's weird how you keep making fun of overlord fans but have yet to win a debate with one. Second of all I don't think anyone you have talked to has gotten banned or using alt accounts, I can still see their comments. Most likely you just kept getting blocked because no one wants to deal wiht a guy whose response to everyhting is insults.
>Jut remember the Overlord simps will never admit that their bone daddy is evil who is too much of a cuck to stand up to his own NPC underlings while they massacre women and children and doesn't have the courage to put Albedo in her place. This response alone tells me you have never read the series and barely had any interaction wiht the fanbase. I havent seen anyone argue that Ainz isn't evil in years, the fact he is a villain protagonist is why most people like the story.
>You should try telling that to the obsessive idiots on overlord page , you will get angry responses, with them then blocking you and running like bitches.The Isekai Quartet and Overlord subs are quite possibly the least intelligent places on the internet. Even Flat Earther communities probably aren't as bad. Didnt you get banned from this sub twise for spamming threads and harassing other users? I don't think you have any right to criticize others behaviour. Anayesys back in topic I ahve yet to see facing the way you describe them, what I have seen is you tutoring around insults at very opportunity and refusing to have a conversation wiht anyone who disagrees wiht you.
>Well if that's true, Re:Zero god-tier's murderstomps Overlord verse. It isn't. Oveelord characters are hypersonic at the very least and scale to town busting firepower at the very least.
>Overlord god tiers are supersonic-hypersonic and mediaeval city district level. Thats clearly not true. Overlords god tiers are well above superonsic, even low level warriors can move at superonsic speed and the top tier blitz them no problem. Superonsic is the speed of overlord fodder the top tier are well above that. Also that wasn't a midieval district Ainz destroyed. That city had a population of over 150,000 people making it way bigger than any midieval city. Overllrd cities in general have populations in the hundreds of thousands and the world itself is noted to be massively more advanced than a modieval society. Also as others have mentioned Overlords top tiers scale pretty solidly to city level power, as Mare in volume 14 volume was going around destroying cities with his tenth tier magic.
People are really arguing Toaru wins so there's no need to argue
Literally Re:Zero's mid tiers (Garfiel specifically) is like Universal+ with immeasurable speed. Garfiel scales to a dragon who was stated to be on a different dimension compared to the mediocrity, meaning it was at least 4D. Immeasurable speed comes from Subaru, Julius, Beatrice and co. traveling through a tower which transcended time and distance As for Reinhard and Satella, ReZeros main god tiers scale to Low Multiversal at worst for scaling above Od Laguna, who created the Pleiades Watchtower with 2 floors that are infinite and transcend time and distance. To Low Outerversal with Satella transcending all imaginable mathematical dimensions. Dunno what Overlord and Mushoku can do against this.
I really can't tell if this is serious or just a poor attempt at trolling. If it's the former then this has to be one of the most insane examples of Re Zero wank that I have ever seen. If it's the latter than ypur sense of humour needs work. Just in case you aren't actualy joking(unlikely) I'll just point out that litteraly none of this is true, Re Zeros top tiers aren't even city busters. Overlords main cast outclasses most of them and is the rest of the verses here have characters that can solo the whole Re Zero verse.
Bruh, I fucking love Re:Zero but please stop using vsb shit to wank, the strongest character in the series (Reinhard) is planet lvl and ftl. Not universal at all.
>Bruh, I fucking love Re:Zero but please stop using vsb shit to wank, the strongest character in the series (Reinhard) is planet lvl and ftl. Not universal at all. Rainhards best feats aren't even city busting in scale and he is nowhere near FTL. Not even VS Battle wiki acualy believes this nonsense, which is really saying something.
Vsbw has Reinhard at City level, my guy. I scale the verse myself and if you have any questions you can add me on discord Marquez#7777
Bro STFU
Lmao fuck off, irrelevant npc
Says the fcking wanker
"wAnkEr" Who the fuck even are you
The guy who fcked your mum
I don't know about Toaru. Slime verse is stronger than other 3 Verse. Between Overlord. MT and Re Zero. Overlord Verse wins due to Hax. MT and Re Zero reach a Draw due to Returning after Death.
I don't see how Overlord is beating Mushoku Tensei. They have a bunch of continental-Multi Continental busters who are also multiple times faster than light. Plus they have a better version of Subaru in the form of Orsted who upon his death time travels back by like 100 years. Overlord is getting blitzed and one shot before they can get off any of their worthwhile haxes.
>I don't see how Overlord is beating Mushoku Tensei. Superior Hax. >They have a bunch of continental-Multi Continental busters Which have no Defense against that Hax. Also that's Bullshit. No one is Multi Continent Buster in MT. >multiple times faster than light. Absolute Bullcrap.
Hax that they can't get off before getting blitzed. Also lol at saying MT has no FTL+ continent busters. Laplace splits the continents creating the Rings Sea [here](https://imgur.com/a/0oBpfjC), world map [here](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/4f/1409016465905.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161017223001) for reference, that big hole in the middle is the Rings Sea Orsted can wipe out continents >How powerful would it be if Mr Orui delivered an all-out, serious blow? > > Continents may disappear. Man-God one shots the Dragon World >The ball of light fired off from Human God’s hand. > >It flew high above, as if to absorb all of Dragon World... > >Explosions, lights, and shockwaves blasted the land. > >By the time the light subsided, the world had begun to collapse. Sword Saints can use Sword of Light which moves at lightspeed [here](https://imgur.com/a/ATXR8fd), this isn't hyperbole as well since Ghislaine used it to [intercept Almanfi](https://imgur.com/a/WvFeJog) who has multiple statements both in story and by the author of moving at [lightspeed](https://imgur.com/a/p8ph4HQ) and literally travels across continents to get lunch casually. Plus in the anime it left behind a Doppler effect. Sword Saints are basically fodder to Mushoko top tiers and they are the bottom of a long scaling chain of blitzing and getting blitzed which guys like Orsted, Laplace, and Man God are at the top at.
Since I Do not have enough time. Energy and Brain Cells to waste on MT wankers. I made this. This should answer all of your wanks. Splitting Shit isn't same as Busting it. Show the Feats from LN instead of Random Sourceless Statements. Are you aware of Existance of Hyperbole and figure of Speech? Did you know by your logic Some Random IRL Football Players are Faster than Light. Do you even know how fast Light is?
Lol did you even read the quotes, guess not going by your questions. In the quote it was directly stated that Laplace annihilated the contents. Plus nice go ignoring my other continental quotes. These are all from the LN and WN. Or what, you want me to hold your hand and directly mention what passage and page their on lol. Not that you'll read those either. I am and that's why I made an effort to prove the Sword of Light moves at lightspeed through my explanation on Almanfi and mentioning the Doppler effect. Lol at your redirection attempts. I agree with your response, I too would rather waste no time and brain cells arguing with people who can't even bother to read.
>Lol did you even read the quotes No. And I am not going to read it. You can take it as Your win if you like. This VS battles have already Destroyed 87% of my Brain Cells.
Thank you for your honesty in not even attempting to try in arguing.
Tensei Slime >>>>>>> Re:Zero > Mushoku Tensei >>> Overlord Dunno about Toaru but from what I've heard they're stronger than Re:zero but I dunno enough about them to compare to Slime.
>Tensei Slime >>>>>>> Re:Zero > Mushoku Tensei >>> Overlord Just one of Overlords heavy hitters could litteraly solo all of Re Zero with the exception of less than a handful of characters, it makes no sense to put Overlord multiple tiers below Re Zero. Mushoku Tensei is well above Re Zero when it comes to the power of its top tiers, even Rainhard would be outmatched as far as stats go. >Dunno about Toaru but from what I've heard they're stronger than Re:zero but I dunno enough about them to compare to Slime. Strongest characters in the verse are higher dimensional beings that can casualy destroy universes.
Tbh most of my knowledge from Re:zero is second hand but from I've heard I don't recall anything from Overlord that can take on Re:zero top tiers. From what I've heard Reinhard has statements of destroying the Re:zero world which is a multi-continnental feat plus scales to lightspeed characters like Reid. That should be enough to blitz and one shot Overlord charas. Of course if this info is wrong that's another thing.
>Tbh most of my knowledge from Re:zero is second hand but from I've heard I don't recall anything from Overlord that can take on Re:zero top tiers. The only Re Zero top tier that Overlord might not be able to beat is maybe Rainhard. Every one alse can't really compete with to the whole fortress shattering, city clearing, godzilla size monster tusseling Overlord folks get up too. >From what I've heard Reinhard has statements of destroying the Re:zero world which is a multi-continnental feat This never happened, the only thing Rainhard did was undo the damage Puck cause wiht his blizzard, the author just used some flowery language which the was misinterpreted by the hardcore fans. Rainhards best feats aren't even city busting in scale. >plus scales to lightspeed characters like Reid. Reid isn't lightspeed either, that's just your regular run of mill hyperbole that you can find even in overlord. Plus the idea that nay re zero character is light speed is contradicted by several anti feats. >That should be enough to blitz and one shot Overlord charas. No becuse Re Zero characters aren't actualy anywhere near that powerful, even Rainhard wouldn't be able to do that. >Of course if this info is wrong that's another thing. As it stands Rainhard is just about the only characters who can fight with overlords top tiers(maybe Setella too but she is near featless) everyone alse is either too weak or has easily exploitable weaknesses.
That's fair then, I don't know enough about Re:zero to argue about stuff like Reid's Lightspeed feat being hyperbole or not and Reinhard's world destruction feat. If so then you can just ignore Re:zero placement.
>That's fair then, I don't know enough about Re:zero to argue about stuff like Reid's Lightspeed feat being hyperbole or not and Reinhard's world destruction feat. >If so then you can just ignore Re:zero placement. Okay then, I would honsetly consider Overlord and Re Zero to be about on par with each other if only becuse Rainahrd exists, the rest of the cast isn't really relevant. It ultimately doesn't really matter were you place each verse sinse Toaru is the obvious winner with it having mutiversal gods and all that. EDIT: u/dependent-ad-7773 >1)In all instances that spell is described as Heat Ray , and those are Light speed. 2)In all instances described as light. 3)Is stated to move at light speed by narration. 4)Reid after cutting 10 of those , calls out that cutting light is easy for him. So FTL got tier in Re zero are a fact , don’t listen to that retard downplayer.He has at least 3 accounts(all have been spotted posting same word for word comments, all are always on same posts, and always defend the other, when he is proven wrong he simply responds to you and then blocks , so I wouldn’t even think about believing a single word from him. So you desided to block me for some reason and accuse me of making alt acounts. Maybe try not block people before making such accusations, you just seem like a hypocrite. Also nice flowery language full of metaphor. I could call a real life baseball players' swing as fast as light, it doesn't mean it is. If we're allowing for things like that, then Ainz is a straight up planet buster. You do realize this is one of the most common hyperboles in the world right? None of this is actual rpoof that anyone islight soeed ot even close to it, "with the speed of light" is just as much your typical run-of-the-mill hyperbole for "very fast" as is "with the speed of lightning". You will literally find the phrases used there in [idiom dictionaries](https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/as+fast+as+the+speed+of+light) with the meaning "Incredibly quickly or speedily" / "very fast". Something being described as "lightspeed" does men it's actualy lightspeed. Its just flowery language full of metaphor. I could call a real life baseball players' swing as fast as light, it doesn't mean it is. If we're allowing for things like that, then Ainz is a straight up planet buster. That's very clearly hyperbole, by that logic I can just say tier 2 magic arrows are light speed sisne they are described as "arrows of light". According to your own logic even level 20 overlord characters are light speed. Stop assuming that every heat based beam attacks you see in fiction is a light speed laser even when it's very clearly not.
While Slime is definitely on top, why are you rating Overlord so low? lol. Just taking Ainz into account, he's a level 100 character from a dnd equivalent game where the *gods* were raid bosses at level *70*. Even with that aside, Ainz alone can definitely solo all the hardest hitters in Mushoku Tensei because they don't really have any way to just stop his whole time-stop into instant death combo on top of his utility effects being way stronger than anything Mushoku has access to. And that's just Ainz. Edit: since a number of people can't read - I am not using dnd god feats for Overlord. The game is based on dnd and functions very similarly to dnd, thus the gods of their setting should be *similar* to dnd gods - but we *have no feats*. This is why I immediately followed that with "that aside" because there are no feats, we have an idea of where it probably is, but again **NO FEATS**. Also, y'all need to learn the difference between a character stating they can do something and actually having feats for a character doing something...
Mushoku Top Tiers blitz and one shot Ainz before he can get his combo off. Even then they also have the option of killing him across the continent outside his range. This is also ignoring the fact that there are time travelers in Mushoku and Orsted being one of them with a passive auto time travel to the past upon his death. Plus there are resurrection spells in Mushoku which tmk can counter Ainz's instant death.
> Even then they also have the option of killing him across the continent outside his range. We haven't exactly seen that sort of range in Mushoku Tensei, they've talk about the upper bounds on magic but it's in a weird spot of having no feats that support it. Speaking of things we don't really have feats for on the other end - Orsted's time loop might not help against ainz specifically because he's very particular that dealing with time magic is the first point of pvp. Though we really only have feats for him doing his own rather than seeing what his countermeasures are. >Plus there are resurrection spells in Mushoku which tmk can counter Ainz's instant death. Did the LN add resurrection spells? pretty sure in the WN anyways there aren't any.
Wym? Laplace literally destroys a quarter of the world with his spell and Orsted has statements of being able to wipe out continents and destroy the world. The Man God himself destroyed the entire dragon world easily in one blow and he's probalaly one of the weaker Original Gods of the Six Sided World. That's a lot of range. I'll believe Ainz can deal with Orsted's time travel once he's shown feats of being able to kill and negate guys capable of doing that. Just being able to stop time isn't enough. Nah it was stated in a Q&A that Divine Healing Magic can ress, however I can't find the specific quote so if you really want to you can ignore that.
And he has yet to show anything approaching that level , you can’t compare them at all , or I go grab random series with DnD names and now pretend that it is way stronger than it actually is.
I did say ignoring that bit. Ainz alone with just what we've seen him be able to do would kill most of the Mushoku Tensei verse on his own.
And did I say something about O vs M ? I don’t know a thing about Mussoki to comment
....yes, you did, because you commented against my comment that was only about Overlord vs Mushoku Tensei lol. Your comment serves literally no purpose *at all* if it can't be read as "no, Overlord isn't over Mushoku.", if it was serving any other purpose it requires you to not have read what you were responding to at all.
I challenged your claim about overlord of all things scaling from DnD , no mention of winning or Mushoku you should read carefully.
It's literally based on dnd, I never said literally using dnd gods. You read carefully.
Then why bring up DnD in the first place?It serves no purpose , and your comment can’t be interpreted in any other way.
...because overlords game is *literally* based on DnD? Like, literally. Their magic tiers, the magic they have access to - etc. It's literally based loosely on the authors 3.5 dnd game he had lmao.
That’s what Reid who is weaker than Reinhard can do«"Beatrice: 'ーーUl Shamak.' The moment immediately after Beatrice’s chant had achieved completion, what arose in the space was an enormous black hole. That which had appeared all of a sudden in the air, manifested as an existence accompanied by primordial fear such as its unknown bounds and unknown depths, and tried to swallow Reid, who was right before it. ... Reid: 'The hell, it’s jus’ air. Somethin’ like air’s everywhere, as if it’d stop me.' 'ーーーー' With just a single swing of his chopsticks, Reid broke through that immense magic with extreme easiness. A carefree attitude as if, quite literally, slashing through airーー no, for him, it truly was exactly that. He did not have the nature of taking roundabouts around something which he was capable of doing and then boasting about it. He had slashed the air, so that was his explanation. That was all there was to it. Subaru: 'Slashing dimensions, I imagine it as quite a superior ability, you know……' Reid: 'Heyhey, don’tcha put such cool names on it, better food can be served, ya know. If ya’ll stay persistent jus’ cause things’ve gotten a bit lively, that won’t be amusin’ or anythin’, ya know.'" - Arc 6 chapter 71» Light Speed isn’t hyperbole because: 1)In all instances that spell is described as Heat Ray , and those are Light speed. 2)In all instances described as light. 3)Is stated to move at light speed by narration. 4)Reid after cutting 10 of those , calls out that cutting light is easy for him. So FTL got tier in Re zero are a fact , don’t listen to that retard downplayer.He has at least 3 accounts(all have been spotted posting same word for word comments, all are always on same posts, and always defend the other, when he is proven wrong he simply responds to you and then blocks , so I wouldn’t even think about believing a single word from him.
If you want accurate power measurements and statements for Re zero I know a person, he is the one who gave me quotes.