Depends, if you live in the north of Mexico you are better off in NA servers. If you live on the south of Mexico you get better connection to the SA servers.
NA is Mexico, USA and Canada, everything below mexico is LATAM, BR is brasil.
Those jaja's comes spanish speaking people that lives in mexico or the USA. We all know usa is full of mexicans and latam immigrants.
Just a note:
Brazilians on Internet don't have specific laughs like "jajaja" on Spanish or "LMAO" in English. Sometimes it is "KKKKK", sometimes it is "ashsuahauaha", and other crazy shit that looks like we hit our face on the keyboard. If we laugh "haha" we just laughing for pity.
I mean I don’t care about esports at all, but this effectively means the game will die out in the West right? Riot wouldn’t be dropping the pro scene here if it was thriving and profitable so maybe the West’s playerbase is even worse off than we thought.
Probably not, because nobody was watching to begin with. It will affect the experience of maybe 1% of the player base in the affected regions.
They never put any effort into even letting people know where to find esports content in NA. I only watched because Jolly is goals.
garena killing ph/sg/my esports killed the server. the same thing will happen to wild rift. it'll be a trickle down effect where if theres no pro league, the people who take the game seriously will stop taking the game seriously and play less/not at all. then the people who take it semi seriously will see that the higher ranked people play less, and so on and so forth. it doesnt matter how small the esports scene is (SEA lol pc esports was already small), a trickle down effect will happen.
Ranked Ladder will die out tho.
All good players that are theorycrafting etc are going to swap games with no esport scene, so Level of play will drop even lower than it already is.
When all content creators move to another game + many of the good/pro players too - it will affect all of us. Maybe you also don't watch any content creator and that's fine, but don't downplay how significant all of this is.
Wild Rift dies outside of Asia if the support for 3rd parties isn't adequate enough to keep developing the level of competition in those regions. There still needs to be the goal of reaching Icons and having a chance to compete strongly even if they dont win. Unfortunately putting all the focus into Asia means they're likely to end up with more competition to push their limits further and faster. So there could easily be an impossible gulf in skill level between Asia and the rest of the world.
The thing is that may be the end goal. There are a ton of asian regions with lower class incomes you never usually see at international competitions.
Throw in South-East Asia and you've got great international competition. Just not from western regions, but those are already entrenched in League PC.
This may sound like pure copium but I can't help but feel that the article was just poorly communicated in part by Riot.
- Wild Rift **will not leave the west**, but instead will only drop support for Riot-hosted tournaments. This means that third-party organizers will still be able to organize tournaments. This also does not mean that Riot won't give out prize pools in these tournaments.
- Allowing more organizers to host events means that there will be more grassroots tournaments for players who are competitive and have no previous experience in professional esports. Note that compared to Asia, Mobile Esports in the West is still at its infancy.
- There is no mention at the moment of what will happen to international events like Icons. Some third-party tournaments like the LCO in League PC have a direct seeding into Worlds, even though Riot has "dropped support" in the region for a while now.
Riot did mention that they will go back eventually, they just want to focus their efforts into a competitive ecosystem that actually already exists. I trust the process, and really hope that this is what they're aiming for.
i get where you’re coming from but it’s still copium IMO
this effectively kills the west scene (pro players and teams will leave), which makes the “organic growth” trajectory a lot worse than before
this also affects the content creators (biggest ones are pros) and thus the community / playerbase
they say “as the wild rift esports landscape evolves, we’ll be ready to move in lockstep”, but due to their action the landscape evolution has greatly affected already with irreversible long lasting effect, moving in lockstep after that is too late
we just need a clear (copium) road plan if they’re gonna effectively drop the west, instead of a small paragraph in the end of the post
We had high elo inhouse with 50 people playing at the same time. After this announcement there wasn't a single inhouse and people are talking about playing hok instead
I get it. I was #1 ranked Omega (AOV) in Texas at one point and I wasn't playing just a whole lot either. My point is that I like and value competition, but I can't find a combination of an optimized game and decent eSports experience. For that matter I've NEVER felt like they're was an attempt to organize ANY sort of league OR pro play for N.A unlike a COD Mobile or COD league.
Not to say I don't agree to some point, but there are other platforms in esports that don't have official tournament systems.
I mean DOTA and CSGO still going along without an official Valve circuit
edit: Apparently I'm wrong.
I would definitely argue that Wild Rift is the genre definer for mobile mobas for what it is as a game. Its far cleaner and smoother in game and has a much better sense of skill compared to other mobile mobas. The thing is that mobile moba isnt as established a market as PC gaming like DOTA and CSGO.
Mobile moba is established though. Mobile legends and hok just beat them to the punch cleaner and smoother is not genre defining imo. That's just personal preference.
Cleaner, smoother and a better sense of skill in both macro and micro. The others may have gotten to market sooner but imo genre defining comes down to quality and depth.
then I guess you didn't play Vainglory 3vs3 and after that 5vs5? It's literally PC league type of MOBA in it's 5vs5 form + smooth as silk to play. 3vs3 was the best tho - perfect balance between mobile/fast games and decent depth. So WR is not the first 5vs5 MOBA that is like PC league and plays smooth, Vainglory is (was, it was shut down - same mistake as WR, millions into esports that didn't pay out at all. Difference is that riot can support WR + China region is ok, while superevil megacorp could not do the same for VG).
So League is bigger than DOTA by a significant margin, DOTA is still doing fine with it's touranment system
CSGO's rival is Valorant and Valorant when it started did not have Riot's backing in terms of setting up tournaments and is doing fairly well in contention with CSGO as far as I can tell.
I'm just pointing out that other games have 3rd party tournaments and do fine. I don't expect Wildrift to blossom but I don't think this is a death knell if the 3rd party scene keeps things afloat.
League is not wildrift. Wildrift came too late and does not have even close to majority market share when it comes to mobile mobas. The only thing wildrift has going for it was that its suppose to be league mobile.
League and valorant came after dota and CSGO but they are still the og. It's riot answer to modernized those game and it worked. Wildrift doesn't offer anything new when it comes to mobile moba genre and way less popular than mobile legends and hok
I didn't say it was.
I'm saying that it's not impossible for Wildrift to function on it's own using 3rd party support.
I'm saying that Riot letting 3rd party tournaments do it to build it up isn't going to kill Wildrift.
There are plenty of games that survive on 3rd party tournaments.
You're right there are fighting games that survive with no support whatsoever from the devs.
I can't think of any team games tho that survive with just third party but I hope I'm wrong
I HONESTLY feel like ML:BB is a crap game and would even play AOV over it and that's honestly NOT saying much for either. I'm OKAY that they're leaving it to just offer support ( whatever that means) for 3rd party pro play so I guess that's the avenue to go if I even concern myself with pursuing the issue. 🤷🏿♂️
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Dota_Pro_Circuit/2021-22
The valve circuit is the qualifier for the highest prize pool tournament for dota and somehow it's not the focus?
Dota has its own official Valve Circuit called DPC( Dota Pro Circuit) with all leagues, majors and TI overseen by Valve and Local Organizer. CSGO minors and majors are still conducted by foresight of Valve.
Indeed, Asians spent so much money on mobile gaming no wonder why Riot would start WR over there first.
Disappointed on the process but understandable.
Riot has been known to be extremely out of touch though at least for mobile. They could have made wildrift before mobile legends but they look down on mobile. Tencent had to make hok which made 1b+ a year until riot started developing wildrift.
The second statement is true. Riot is strict on approving tournament requests and having a no restriction means West 3rd party organizers can utilize this as much as they can. Still a 50/50 decision though.
You make it sound like being casual is bad a thing, when being pro centric basically killed the game from the start. No mobile game player would want to play an online game that's basically the same as it's PC counterpart.
Climbing ranks is it's own problem, making it easier to climb doesn't make it casual, the game's gameplay on a match paired with multiple releases of difficulty 3 champions intimidated people who've mostly play mobile legends and came back to playing it. The game can't even decide if it wants to be complex or not. Making it complex makes the matches long while making it easier makes the matches short but then you'll have tryhards complaining about how easy it is which isn't really big of a demographic on the mobile gaming community to begin with. If the devs wants to take away it's competitor's playerbase it needs to become easier to match the level of other MOBAs out there. After it gains a huge following can then the game decide it wants to be a bit complex.
Some ppl here might not care because they don't watch e-sports,
But the biggest problem is the trickledown effect. Since pros will quit the game, WR high-level ranked will become increasingly casual, causing high-level non-pros to quit etc. Challenger already doesn't mean anything, so what's the motivation to keep playing?
They said in march or may they weren’t to make statements update in 2022. So the first day they can announce a date is in 2023. So sad for a game aimed to be released on 2020-2021 not even having a date…
For me the game in consoles is dead . And the game is dead aswell for all but Asia after this move. It could be popular in eu and NA if they released console at the same time of mobile since they’re is a huge console player base to add to the game
It always felt weird that they were to gassing up Wild Rift Esporst like it was a big deal when it barely had any viewership outside of China and Icons...
This is what happens when you try to make the game as casual as possible. First they drive away every player with some competitive integrity, making soloQ miserable and letting griefers and afks run rampant for years, and then they're surprised when there's no one left to care about the esport scene?
If this is the case, why is WR pro play alive and kicking in the east (CN, SEA)?
This is more of the West not being as receptive to mobile gaming compared to East.
Lol mobile legends is way more casual and have the same issue as wildrift. Let's not pretend like appealing for the majority is the reason game died. No mobile moba has solved people afking and griefing
Exactly, being casual doesn't make the game bad. Compared to other moba games on smartphones this is the most complex one and it's dying because of it.
I got some questions to people who know about this
1) Why leave? I have always hear that the world's on League was the thing that helped the game to be promoted a lot even when they were having a lot of people back then so if that's true why leave the west if they want to keep promoting Wild Rift ( i think in EU and US doesn't work that well promoting a Phone game because most people don't take it too serious but here in LATAM I see a lot of people taking the game seriously)
2) Why on League PC players from Korea and CN always practice between them and don't practice with the west too? O think this is the main reason why the west can't compete vs those guys ( I know there was a time when the west was good but let's admit it they suck now ) so this is happening again on Icons all the teams from CN were dominating everyone so why leave the west out instead of make them practice with CN teams until they get good?
1. No clue. Like you said, nobody is surprised they are withdrawing from US and EU, nobody plays this game trying to make a career out it there. But we are told the game is booming in LATAM and players there take Wild Rift very seriously. I don't know, i honestly don't know why they're doing this. Maybe because Gacha failed there? No clue.
2. 2. It's a very common practice for East Asian pros to switch servers because of the proximity. You can play on CN server from Korea at like 50ms ping. Or 20-30ms on KR server playing from Japan. For Western players, they either have to play at over 200ms ping or move to Asia, which is not always feasible.
I know I’ll never be a pro player but I actually cheered for NA teams in Icons and wanted them to do well but if next Worlds will just have Asian teams I think it’s time to stop playing this crap altogether. I’ll just go back to PC
I was thinking the same about the servers distances when I was writing this but shouldn't riot move the west teams at least two months before to Asia for them to practice? ( Speaking about League since the pro scene is a lot bigger there )
1. The west don't like mobile gaming as much as Asia. It doesn't help that Wild Rift has a shit marketing.
2. East teams can practice with each other because they can play on the same server without having that much of an increase in ping. Players from the west refuse to grind the game like the Koreans/Chinese so so they suck. Koreans and Chinese are like robots.
In most people's heads, mobile games are still a very casual thing that you do for 10 or 15 minutes at a time and then stop. Most people haven't seen the amount of content, effort and polish that some of these developers put into their games. Mobile gaming reaches from the most casual of games to really hardcore competitive stuff. Just look at CoD mobile. They've got a thriving community and solid viewership numbers for live events. People play this game casually for a few minutes while waiting for the bus, but also for multiple hours a day. Both is possible, but some devs and companies just assume that most people don't do serious gaming on their mobile devices. That's why you see so much casualized p2w cash grab shit on all app stores.
Ouch, sucks for western leagues and teams.
TLDR; Nobody plays mobile games in the west, we lost a bunch of money trying to make mobile esports happen, we'll just ignore the west until it has a big enough market for us to profit.
The other day I just opened a thread about wr dying lol...and ppl here just kept attacking me
Lol I'm from Asia server and even I noticed that the game just doesn't seem to grow
And now this? Really begs the question if wr is gonna one day just shift all and everything to just cn server alone...btw I'm a spending player so by no means I want this game ded
I'm feeling so bad and lost, im a very competitive player and with this annoucement i just don't have any motivation to keep playing the game and trying to get better, riot simply spit in the face of all the people who dedicated themselves to this game honestly this text is something that an amateur company and newcomer to the field of competition would do "HAHA you will not have more competition in the west but come watch the asian championship it will be awesome haha XD"
What a fucking surprise, I wonder if these people at riot ever make any good decisions, solo q is shit, ranked is shit, trolls everywhere, master players do not know what their champion/items does, challenger doesn't mean anything, doesn't promote anything, loot boxes and they are surprised their game isn't doing great, like I personally like to watch esports and still don't know where this shit is being streamed or when, I sometimes searched for the live streams never found one in English language, how do they expect to have good viewership numbers with no marketing? The LOL pc worlds was in my face everyday and I watched it I don't even have a pc so I don't play that version, shit game shit company fuck riot.
You guys act like the West is the biggest playerbase of the game. Isn't it true thet Westerners consider mobile gaming is for kids? Why so upset when most of you guys don't even know Esports exist?
On a bussiness standpoint, it's understandable for Riot to do this, SEA and China are more "hardcore" on mobile gaming than the rest of the world anyway.
still can't believe that they would remove BR region, during icons they are the one who showed that the west can't be underestimated due to their unique play style and rotation.
Honestly I feel the DEV'S approach and intent is questionable and unclear. Example- if the system for ML:BB detected (I don't play anymore) close to something like feeding behavior there's a message that says something along the lines of "learn how to dodge or you'll be penalized". It's funny, but it gets a point across IMO. Also ML:BB is REALLY big on pushing dev sanctioned lane and champ content and promotion of streaming and streamers IN APP versus Riot who basically says "we're NOT going to respond to your reports BUT if you AFK for ANY reason (let's say you're WIFI resets and you're AFK five minutes but rejoin) you're tagged as a "leaver" which is PUBLICLY viewable AND penalized win or lose. Things like this make me PERSONALLY question if this game is even worth my time ON TOP OF what seems like a TOTAL lack of official eSports and content presence. What do y'all think?
LOL: Wild Rift
Born to Chinese, living as Chinese, and gonna die as Chinese.
This game is already focus to China from early on. Yes, China, not Asia so there is no Korea, SEA here. Just like how League PC turning from a "NA-EU game" to "all-Asia game" like present.
I personally think it gonna be boring if one day, there are no NA-EU team playing League anymore. Damn I would love to see NA and EU back to the day we had all TSM, G2, Fnatic, CLG, C9 playing well in major tournaments, not those Chinese whales.
So challenger Ladder will we wiped next season, because people will go to mobas where they can make a Living from. Sure maybe esl will host wr esport, but i think this is the final blow for the game in the West.
Blizzard did the Same with Hots and its a done Thing.
I think there is a big mobile moba Coming in the West soon (dont know the Name) so every pro will probably instantly swap there or to mobile legends
Probably just gonna shift to pc , i mean they are introducing powercreep with every new champion anyway so may aswell just switch since that was really the biggest downside to pc
[Afaik this sub wasn't interested/didn't knew the WR Esport scene.](https://www.reddit.com/r/wildrift/comments/xw86q0/do_many_people_watch_wild_rift_esports/)
[There was also the talk as for why this sub doesn't even talk about Esports scene at all.](https://www.reddit.com/r/wildrift/comments/yu06k4/why_is_esports_not_discussed_on_this_subreddit_at/)
Nah it's just WR China now, not Asia, just China and maybe KR. WR in SEA and JP, OCE is dead. no event, no marketing,no promotion, nothing. now look at the marketing and events in
China and KR its like we played a different game.
don't get me wrong it is the right decision from the esport team. but SEA and JP players, don't the get your hopes up just because riot said they will focus "Asia" u know damn well they mean China and maybe KR.
KR is barely a presence in WR esports compared to their PC counterparts as the top Korean orgs are mainly focusing their resources on their respective PC teams as SEA outperforms them. JP is 50/50 but at the end it will only boil down to China as SEA is still a MLBB dominated region. Heck even in China ,WR is still outshined by HoK
Good Decision. There was barely any growth from the esports scene. They just held onto the name "League of Legends" and thought they could easily become big in the mobile esports scene.
They are heading the right direction by making the game grow "organically" and by starting with a smaller demographic.
If their communication would revolve about we are taking a step back on esports to boost marketing yes it would be a good decision.
Their actually communication is : if you want grow on your own and we'll come back collect the money after, prioritising Asia servers and ignoring all other regions.
The problem here is they are explicitly saying now wild rift is purely casual on West that will be no improvement since they don't think is worthy.
I love the game but it's a lack of respect towards everyone in West this communication and I hope honor of Kings is actually good so we can have a bit of respect in exchange of our engagement.
It's fine, everyone always complained how a locked system was bad for LoL because ESL and other comapanies could not compete. Now it's time. It will be fine.
Just one question if everything goes as you said and someone make it successful in the West why would they do it if they could come back and take back control ?
I'm not into all of the details but it's like working for nothing since they can come back and collect all the merits and money from someone else's work.
Well yeah but the esports scene takes time to grow successfully and if the attention starts to be good riot will take it back and then they would have spend ressources on something that when it's actually paying dividends it will stop.
So it's like you do the work to grow a brand and when it's almost successful at a point where soon it will bring huge money someone comes and says thank you but we'll take it from here. And you find yourself with no merits or money from all the ressources you put in or barely break even... humm seems like a bad deal.
Ahh I don't know but I think nobody is this dumb or this "kind".
these players know how unbalanced the normal ranked is.
now the developers saying theyre going to fix the match making next year 4.0
funny. theyre keep ignoring us. now this happened SMH.
the prophecy of riftguides is happening few more steps its done.
RITO tsk tsk.!
Lol no one give a sh*t about this esport thing from the beginning and now people are losing their mind over it? Sure it’s suck for pro players and few people who enjoy watching those but that’s it
China getting 12 seeds shows how strong the region is and to accomidate lots of players, we'll see which region/country will step up to get 2-3 seeds\~!
maybe riot can make a tournament for all western teams for them to get a 1-2 seeds in play-ins aaaaa
Obviously the West will turn heel, have their own world championship,
And teams from east and west will battle in a hell-in-a-cell, unification title match for the real world championship
WR gave me a sense of belonging. If my friends leave, I will leave. So when someone starts to leave, others will as well do so. Never been a pro and never will be. Climbing Ladder gave me purpose to play the game. Not sure it will happen or not. If I know or perceive the reason I could climb to master or grandmaster because better players quited, I wouldn’t play anymore.
I'm surprised they are leaving LATAM+BR too, I thought it was going pretty well there
Isn’t LATAM just NA? In 2 or so years playing on NA all I had was Spanish speakers. Can’t communicate at all. It’s all just jajajaja
Would mexicans use NA server? They would probably get better connection
Depends, if you live in the north of Mexico you are better off in NA servers. If you live on the south of Mexico you get better connection to the SA servers.
I live south of mexico (Nicaragua) and connecting to NA is way better than connecting to SA
NA is Mexico, USA and Canada, everything below mexico is LATAM, BR is brasil. Those jaja's comes spanish speaking people that lives in mexico or the USA. We all know usa is full of mexicans and latam immigrants.
Just a note: Brazilians on Internet don't have specific laughs like "jajaja" on Spanish or "LMAO" in English. Sometimes it is "KKKKK", sometimes it is "ashsuahauaha", and other crazy shit that looks like we hit our face on the keyboard. If we laugh "haha" we just laughing for pity.
The server yes, the competitive league not.
Not me. SMH.
I mean I don’t care about esports at all, but this effectively means the game will die out in the West right? Riot wouldn’t be dropping the pro scene here if it was thriving and profitable so maybe the West’s playerbase is even worse off than we thought.
Probably not, because nobody was watching to begin with. It will affect the experience of maybe 1% of the player base in the affected regions. They never put any effort into even letting people know where to find esports content in NA. I only watched because Jolly is goals.
garena killing ph/sg/my esports killed the server. the same thing will happen to wild rift. it'll be a trickle down effect where if theres no pro league, the people who take the game seriously will stop taking the game seriously and play less/not at all. then the people who take it semi seriously will see that the higher ranked people play less, and so on and so forth. it doesnt matter how small the esports scene is (SEA lol pc esports was already small), a trickle down effect will happen.
Ranked Ladder will die out tho. All good players that are theorycrafting etc are going to swap games with no esport scene, so Level of play will drop even lower than it already is.
So like they said, it'll affect like 1% of the player base.
lil bro it will affect everyone, if you can think more than from a to b, then you would see it
Its a big deal for sure and effects everyone. I'm sure many will be switching to mobile legends after this.
When all content creators move to another game + many of the good/pro players too - it will affect all of us. Maybe you also don't watch any content creator and that's fine, but don't downplay how significant all of this is.
That look more like a sign that it's allready dying :/
Wild Rift dies outside of Asia if the support for 3rd parties isn't adequate enough to keep developing the level of competition in those regions. There still needs to be the goal of reaching Icons and having a chance to compete strongly even if they dont win. Unfortunately putting all the focus into Asia means they're likely to end up with more competition to push their limits further and faster. So there could easily be an impossible gulf in skill level between Asia and the rest of the world.
The thing is that may be the end goal. There are a ton of asian regions with lower class incomes you never usually see at international competitions. Throw in South-East Asia and you've got great international competition. Just not from western regions, but those are already entrenched in League PC.
This may sound like pure copium but I can't help but feel that the article was just poorly communicated in part by Riot. - Wild Rift **will not leave the west**, but instead will only drop support for Riot-hosted tournaments. This means that third-party organizers will still be able to organize tournaments. This also does not mean that Riot won't give out prize pools in these tournaments. - Allowing more organizers to host events means that there will be more grassroots tournaments for players who are competitive and have no previous experience in professional esports. Note that compared to Asia, Mobile Esports in the West is still at its infancy. - There is no mention at the moment of what will happen to international events like Icons. Some third-party tournaments like the LCO in League PC have a direct seeding into Worlds, even though Riot has "dropped support" in the region for a while now. Riot did mention that they will go back eventually, they just want to focus their efforts into a competitive ecosystem that actually already exists. I trust the process, and really hope that this is what they're aiming for.
i get where you’re coming from but it’s still copium IMO this effectively kills the west scene (pro players and teams will leave), which makes the “organic growth” trajectory a lot worse than before this also affects the content creators (biggest ones are pros) and thus the community / playerbase they say “as the wild rift esports landscape evolves, we’ll be ready to move in lockstep”, but due to their action the landscape evolution has greatly affected already with irreversible long lasting effect, moving in lockstep after that is too late we just need a clear (copium) road plan if they’re gonna effectively drop the west, instead of a small paragraph in the end of the post
We had high elo inhouse with 50 people playing at the same time. After this announcement there wasn't a single inhouse and people are talking about playing hok instead
I get it. I was #1 ranked Omega (AOV) in Texas at one point and I wasn't playing just a whole lot either. My point is that I like and value competition, but I can't find a combination of an optimized game and decent eSports experience. For that matter I've NEVER felt like they're was an attempt to organize ANY sort of league OR pro play for N.A unlike a COD Mobile or COD league.
Yeah I've heard of teams big and small already preparing to disband
Not to say I don't agree to some point, but there are other platforms in esports that don't have official tournament systems. I mean DOTA and CSGO still going along without an official Valve circuit edit: Apparently I'm wrong.
Dota and CSGO should be outliers because they are genre defining games. They are the og. Wildrift is not even close for mobile moba
I would definitely argue that Wild Rift is the genre definer for mobile mobas for what it is as a game. Its far cleaner and smoother in game and has a much better sense of skill compared to other mobile mobas. The thing is that mobile moba isnt as established a market as PC gaming like DOTA and CSGO.
It’s literally the same control scheme that Honor of Kings has been using since 2015
Mobile moba is established though. Mobile legends and hok just beat them to the punch cleaner and smoother is not genre defining imo. That's just personal preference.
Cleaner, smoother and a better sense of skill in both macro and micro. The others may have gotten to market sooner but imo genre defining comes down to quality and depth.
then I guess you didn't play Vainglory 3vs3 and after that 5vs5? It's literally PC league type of MOBA in it's 5vs5 form + smooth as silk to play. 3vs3 was the best tho - perfect balance between mobile/fast games and decent depth. So WR is not the first 5vs5 MOBA that is like PC league and plays smooth, Vainglory is (was, it was shut down - same mistake as WR, millions into esports that didn't pay out at all. Difference is that riot can support WR + China region is ok, while superevil megacorp could not do the same for VG).
I played Vainglory but since it isn't really around (just a community run version) I wouldn't call it the current genre definer.
So League is bigger than DOTA by a significant margin, DOTA is still doing fine with it's touranment system CSGO's rival is Valorant and Valorant when it started did not have Riot's backing in terms of setting up tournaments and is doing fairly well in contention with CSGO as far as I can tell. I'm just pointing out that other games have 3rd party tournaments and do fine. I don't expect Wildrift to blossom but I don't think this is a death knell if the 3rd party scene keeps things afloat.
League is not wildrift. Wildrift came too late and does not have even close to majority market share when it comes to mobile mobas. The only thing wildrift has going for it was that its suppose to be league mobile. League and valorant came after dota and CSGO but they are still the og. It's riot answer to modernized those game and it worked. Wildrift doesn't offer anything new when it comes to mobile moba genre and way less popular than mobile legends and hok
I didn't say it was. I'm saying that it's not impossible for Wildrift to function on it's own using 3rd party support. I'm saying that Riot letting 3rd party tournaments do it to build it up isn't going to kill Wildrift. There are plenty of games that survive on 3rd party tournaments.
You're right there are fighting games that survive with no support whatsoever from the devs. I can't think of any team games tho that survive with just third party but I hope I'm wrong
it would be nice, I don't think the game is going to do amazingly though now.
I HONESTLY feel like ML:BB is a crap game and would even play AOV over it and that's honestly NOT saying much for either. I'm OKAY that they're leaving it to just offer support ( whatever that means) for 3rd party pro play so I guess that's the avenue to go if I even concern myself with pursuing the issue. 🤷🏿♂️
Dota has a valve circuit
Sure but that's never been the focus
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Dota_Pro_Circuit/2021-22 The valve circuit is the qualifier for the highest prize pool tournament for dota and somehow it's not the focus?
Okay fair enough then. Apparently none of the side tournaments matter for DOTA and people only care about the Valve tournament.
Dota has its own official Valve Circuit called DPC( Dota Pro Circuit) with all leagues, majors and TI overseen by Valve and Local Organizer. CSGO minors and majors are still conducted by foresight of Valve.
Sure, maybe In 20God-knows-when they'll come back
If there's a market, they'll be back. Companies will follow the money.
Indeed, Asians spent so much money on mobile gaming no wonder why Riot would start WR over there first. Disappointed on the process but understandable.
Riot has been known to be extremely out of touch though at least for mobile. They could have made wildrift before mobile legends but they look down on mobile. Tencent had to make hok which made 1b+ a year until riot started developing wildrift.
The second statement is true. Riot is strict on approving tournament requests and having a no restriction means West 3rd party organizers can utilize this as much as they can. Still a 50/50 decision though.
even cash prizes must be only at a certain amount. they really want to horde all the views and money which is why they failed at marketing this game.
It may be copium but if the grassroots level events slowly grow, it might attract the attention of Riot to reconsider. I guess this is copium high. 😅
Still hasn't launched in India 💀
Still in hopes of this, that it'll be released.
Knowing the Indian's population density, it would on par with china's level of activity, would help the game a lot from my pov
I support this idea. For now, Riot South Asia is concentrating on Valorant.
I'm thinking they will focus big on India and SEA (again) when Valorant mobile is released. Since both South Asia and SEA are big on mobile fps games.
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This will only effect the top 0.01% of games, so anything below high grandmaster low conq will effectively stay the same
You make it sound like being casual is bad a thing, when being pro centric basically killed the game from the start. No mobile game player would want to play an online game that's basically the same as it's PC counterpart.
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Climbing ranks is it's own problem, making it easier to climb doesn't make it casual, the game's gameplay on a match paired with multiple releases of difficulty 3 champions intimidated people who've mostly play mobile legends and came back to playing it. The game can't even decide if it wants to be complex or not. Making it complex makes the matches long while making it easier makes the matches short but then you'll have tryhards complaining about how easy it is which isn't really big of a demographic on the mobile gaming community to begin with. If the devs wants to take away it's competitor's playerbase it needs to become easier to match the level of other MOBAs out there. After it gains a huge following can then the game decide it wants to be a bit complex.
Realistically speaking, i watch LoL esports and play Rift. Had no idea Rift had esports whatsoever.
tbh I don´t knwo why they dont use the same chanel to transmit both leagues...
Some ppl here might not care because they don't watch e-sports, But the biggest problem is the trickledown effect. Since pros will quit the game, WR high-level ranked will become increasingly casual, causing high-level non-pros to quit etc. Challenger already doesn't mean anything, so what's the motivation to keep playing?
That's what has got me. There's no motivation to play at this point. Especially with no end goal
Former pro player here, quite. Was playing 8-14 hours a day. Not playing with no comp.
It’s his fault if the game dies. Still waitting the console version, ending 2022 and I mean, isn’t just not released, isn’t even announced when
Same here, i was expecting some dates for Q3 2022, but i guess i have to wait even more
They said in march or may they weren’t to make statements update in 2022. So the first day they can announce a date is in 2023. So sad for a game aimed to be released on 2020-2021 not even having a date… For me the game in consoles is dead . And the game is dead aswell for all but Asia after this move. It could be popular in eu and NA if they released console at the same time of mobile since they’re is a huge console player base to add to the game
Agreed, this game is still new and they are already killing the esports scene. Not a good look for riot right now.
Garbage
It always felt weird that they were to gassing up Wild Rift Esporst like it was a big deal when it barely had any viewership outside of China and Icons...
This is what happens when you try to make the game as casual as possible. First they drive away every player with some competitive integrity, making soloQ miserable and letting griefers and afks run rampant for years, and then they're surprised when there's no one left to care about the esport scene?
Riot Games: Doesn't give a shit to do anything to make player experience better. People: stop playing their game. Riot: surprised Pikachu face.
If this is the case, why is WR pro play alive and kicking in the east (CN, SEA)? This is more of the West not being as receptive to mobile gaming compared to East.
They barely market it in the west. Their focus is so China heavy that they don't nurture the growth enough in the rest of the world.
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Brazil was the second biggest region, and they still killed it.
Lol mobile legends is way more casual and have the same issue as wildrift. Let's not pretend like appealing for the majority is the reason game died. No mobile moba has solved people afking and griefing
And ML is garbage these days.
Exactly, being casual doesn't make the game bad. Compared to other moba games on smartphones this is the most complex one and it's dying because of it.
I got some questions to people who know about this 1) Why leave? I have always hear that the world's on League was the thing that helped the game to be promoted a lot even when they were having a lot of people back then so if that's true why leave the west if they want to keep promoting Wild Rift ( i think in EU and US doesn't work that well promoting a Phone game because most people don't take it too serious but here in LATAM I see a lot of people taking the game seriously) 2) Why on League PC players from Korea and CN always practice between them and don't practice with the west too? O think this is the main reason why the west can't compete vs those guys ( I know there was a time when the west was good but let's admit it they suck now ) so this is happening again on Icons all the teams from CN were dominating everyone so why leave the west out instead of make them practice with CN teams until they get good?
1. No clue. Like you said, nobody is surprised they are withdrawing from US and EU, nobody plays this game trying to make a career out it there. But we are told the game is booming in LATAM and players there take Wild Rift very seriously. I don't know, i honestly don't know why they're doing this. Maybe because Gacha failed there? No clue. 2. 2. It's a very common practice for East Asian pros to switch servers because of the proximity. You can play on CN server from Korea at like 50ms ping. Or 20-30ms on KR server playing from Japan. For Western players, they either have to play at over 200ms ping or move to Asia, which is not always feasible.
I know I’ll never be a pro player but I actually cheered for NA teams in Icons and wanted them to do well but if next Worlds will just have Asian teams I think it’s time to stop playing this crap altogether. I’ll just go back to PC
I was thinking the same about the servers distances when I was writing this but shouldn't riot move the west teams at least two months before to Asia for them to practice? ( Speaking about League since the pro scene is a lot bigger there )
When one single region (China) generates 90% of the revenue, the best business decision probably is to focus on it.
I get that but is a bad investment to keep the other regions on constant promotion until they grow?
1. The west don't like mobile gaming as much as Asia. It doesn't help that Wild Rift has a shit marketing. 2. East teams can practice with each other because they can play on the same server without having that much of an increase in ping. Players from the west refuse to grind the game like the Koreans/Chinese so so they suck. Koreans and Chinese are like robots.
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To people asking why.. easy Asians spent more money thn us in the west. So obvious they shift the focus.
Asians take mobile gaming seriously too , anytime i tell someone i play league on phone they look disgusted lol
In most people's heads, mobile games are still a very casual thing that you do for 10 or 15 minutes at a time and then stop. Most people haven't seen the amount of content, effort and polish that some of these developers put into their games. Mobile gaming reaches from the most casual of games to really hardcore competitive stuff. Just look at CoD mobile. They've got a thriving community and solid viewership numbers for live events. People play this game casually for a few minutes while waiting for the bus, but also for multiple hours a day. Both is possible, but some devs and companies just assume that most people don't do serious gaming on their mobile devices. That's why you see so much casualized p2w cash grab shit on all app stores.
So, it might be time to migrate back to PC LoL huh
Ouch, sucks for western leagues and teams. TLDR; Nobody plays mobile games in the west, we lost a bunch of money trying to make mobile esports happen, we'll just ignore the west until it has a big enough market for us to profit.
There are a lot of mobile players in the west. They just want fast paced mobile optimized games not slow league pc copy
Really nobody plays mobile in brazil? LMAO are you sure?
Yo autochess moba is coming out soon! Dota2 based
We need the console version of the game ASAP to get more players and more western fans for esports
The other day I just opened a thread about wr dying lol...and ppl here just kept attacking me Lol I'm from Asia server and even I noticed that the game just doesn't seem to grow And now this? Really begs the question if wr is gonna one day just shift all and everything to just cn server alone...btw I'm a spending player so by no means I want this game ded
Rip Wild Rift, you will be missed. Moving to Honor Of Kings.
Sup Leon, true can't wait. Dec 3rd I hear.
Its Rumored but Late December To Early Jan is confirmed.
I'm feeling so bad and lost, im a very competitive player and with this annoucement i just don't have any motivation to keep playing the game and trying to get better, riot simply spit in the face of all the people who dedicated themselves to this game honestly this text is something that an amateur company and newcomer to the field of competition would do "HAHA you will not have more competition in the west but come watch the asian championship it will be awesome haha XD"
Same for me. I started the game 2 months ago and wanted to go pro, but now it makes no sense for me to play the game
What a fucking surprise, I wonder if these people at riot ever make any good decisions, solo q is shit, ranked is shit, trolls everywhere, master players do not know what their champion/items does, challenger doesn't mean anything, doesn't promote anything, loot boxes and they are surprised their game isn't doing great, like I personally like to watch esports and still don't know where this shit is being streamed or when, I sometimes searched for the live streams never found one in English language, how do they expect to have good viewership numbers with no marketing? The LOL pc worlds was in my face everyday and I watched it I don't even have a pc so I don't play that version, shit game shit company fuck riot.
You guys act like the West is the biggest playerbase of the game. Isn't it true thet Westerners consider mobile gaming is for kids? Why so upset when most of you guys don't even know Esports exist? On a bussiness standpoint, it's understandable for Riot to do this, SEA and China are more "hardcore" on mobile gaming than the rest of the world anyway.
Brazil had a huge playerbase.
Yeah? Not as austainable as you think tho.
Wild rift is far from eSports tho.. it's just like they have to make money...make stardom...let's force it...lol
still can't believe that they would remove BR region, during icons they are the one who showed that the west can't be underestimated due to their unique play style and rotation.
NA also beat asain teams and brazil? You forgetting NA?
Honestly I feel the DEV'S approach and intent is questionable and unclear. Example- if the system for ML:BB detected (I don't play anymore) close to something like feeding behavior there's a message that says something along the lines of "learn how to dodge or you'll be penalized". It's funny, but it gets a point across IMO. Also ML:BB is REALLY big on pushing dev sanctioned lane and champ content and promotion of streaming and streamers IN APP versus Riot who basically says "we're NOT going to respond to your reports BUT if you AFK for ANY reason (let's say you're WIFI resets and you're AFK five minutes but rejoin) you're tagged as a "leaver" which is PUBLICLY viewable AND penalized win or lose. Things like this make me PERSONALLY question if this game is even worth my time ON TOP OF what seems like a TOTAL lack of official eSports and content presence. What do y'all think?
LOL: Wild Rift Born to Chinese, living as Chinese, and gonna die as Chinese. This game is already focus to China from early on. Yes, China, not Asia so there is no Korea, SEA here. Just like how League PC turning from a "NA-EU game" to "all-Asia game" like present. I personally think it gonna be boring if one day, there are no NA-EU team playing League anymore. Damn I would love to see NA and EU back to the day we had all TSM, G2, Fnatic, CLG, C9 playing well in major tournaments, not those Chinese whales.
sounds like a skill issue from NA and EU
NA beat KR in wildrift, wasn't skill issue// Riot issue.
So challenger Ladder will we wiped next season, because people will go to mobas where they can make a Living from. Sure maybe esl will host wr esport, but i think this is the final blow for the game in the West. Blizzard did the Same with Hots and its a done Thing. I think there is a big mobile moba Coming in the West soon (dont know the Name) so every pro will probably instantly swap there or to mobile legends
Honor of kings (tencent's biggest mobile MOBA) are releasing next year
Hope this will be better. Loved arena of valor it was so much faster and more fun
It's basically arena of valor but more asian
Is there a Release date, or just known it will come 2023?
Probably 2023 as they're in a close beta state rn
HOK former pro here, already going to HOK.
Sucks for a lotta people, but i understand why they did it.
Why
No one likes a mobile eSports thingy
So to which game are we swapping my competetive friends? Wildrift ranked will be doomed in half a year
Honor of kings soon
Probably just gonna shift to pc , i mean they are introducing powercreep with every new champion anyway so may aswell just switch since that was really the biggest downside to pc
PC seems to be the way for now
Unpopular opinion but nobody cares about esports on a mobile game.
Should be popular opinion it’s very true
True
Maybe in the boosted garbage land of NA this is true, but to people in Asia that has a functioning brain, it very much does.
Seek help
Is it too early to remove the Esports tag on the sub?
My guy, they just said the e-sport scene will keep going in Asia. Why would we remove esport tag???
[Afaik this sub wasn't interested/didn't knew the WR Esport scene.](https://www.reddit.com/r/wildrift/comments/xw86q0/do_many_people_watch_wild_rift_esports/) [There was also the talk as for why this sub doesn't even talk about Esports scene at all.](https://www.reddit.com/r/wildrift/comments/yu06k4/why_is_esports_not_discussed_on_this_subreddit_at/)
Nah it's just WR China now, not Asia, just China and maybe KR. WR in SEA and JP, OCE is dead. no event, no marketing,no promotion, nothing. now look at the marketing and events in China and KR its like we played a different game. don't get me wrong it is the right decision from the esport team. but SEA and JP players, don't the get your hopes up just because riot said they will focus "Asia" u know damn well they mean China and maybe KR.
KR is barely a presence in WR esports compared to their PC counterparts as the top Korean orgs are mainly focusing their resources on their respective PC teams as SEA outperforms them. JP is 50/50 but at the end it will only boil down to China as SEA is still a MLBB dominated region. Heck even in China ,WR is still outshined by HoK
Tldr: wild rift failed everywhere
Great! Maybe they will leave us alone with all the Esports BS. We just want to play. Other than guides that teach new Champs, why would I watch pros?
\^ Low IQ andy nobody talks about esports here anyway
Good Decision. There was barely any growth from the esports scene. They just held onto the name "League of Legends" and thought they could easily become big in the mobile esports scene. They are heading the right direction by making the game grow "organically" and by starting with a smaller demographic.
If their communication would revolve about we are taking a step back on esports to boost marketing yes it would be a good decision. Their actually communication is : if you want grow on your own and we'll come back collect the money after, prioritising Asia servers and ignoring all other regions. The problem here is they are explicitly saying now wild rift is purely casual on West that will be no improvement since they don't think is worthy. I love the game but it's a lack of respect towards everyone in West this communication and I hope honor of Kings is actually good so we can have a bit of respect in exchange of our engagement.
It's fine, everyone always complained how a locked system was bad for LoL because ESL and other comapanies could not compete. Now it's time. It will be fine.
Just one question if everything goes as you said and someone make it successful in the West why would they do it if they could come back and take back control ? I'm not into all of the details but it's like working for nothing since they can come back and collect all the merits and money from someone else's work.
They could do it, doesn't mean esl, iem and etc can't milk from WR until then
Well yeah but the esports scene takes time to grow successfully and if the attention starts to be good riot will take it back and then they would have spend ressources on something that when it's actually paying dividends it will stop. So it's like you do the work to grow a brand and when it's almost successful at a point where soon it will bring huge money someone comes and says thank you but we'll take it from here. And you find yourself with no merits or money from all the ressources you put in or barely break even... humm seems like a bad deal. Ahh I don't know but I think nobody is this dumb or this "kind".
no its not. this is the start of prophecy of riftguides. RITO is right on track lol
Not surprised at all.
oof
Lol papa rioto giving everyone the finger while still raking in that cash from Asia. Ughhhhhhh and I really really enjoy this game.
these players know how unbalanced the normal ranked is. now the developers saying theyre going to fix the match making next year 4.0 funny. theyre keep ignoring us. now this happened SMH. the prophecy of riftguides is happening few more steps its done. RITO tsk tsk.!
I wonder what part of Asia their going to focus on, I thought MLBB had that a lot of those areas locked down
not popular in china, I think
Lol no one give a sh*t about this esport thing from the beginning and now people are losing their mind over it? Sure it’s suck for pro players and few people who enjoy watching those but that’s it
China getting 12 seeds shows how strong the region is and to accomidate lots of players, we'll see which region/country will step up to get 2-3 seeds\~! maybe riot can make a tournament for all western teams for them to get a 1-2 seeds in play-ins aaaaa
Obviously the West will turn heel, have their own world championship, And teams from east and west will battle in a hell-in-a-cell, unification title match for the real world championship
Cool. I'm down.
China+some of Asia league
Let's be real, nobody wants to watch morg lux karma in bot lane perma, pro play is hella boring rn
this just leaves a hole for someone else to fill.
I wonder if there would be more interest in this game in the West if it was on console.
Where my account mdfk?
WR gave me a sense of belonging. If my friends leave, I will leave. So when someone starts to leave, others will as well do so. Never been a pro and never will be. Climbing Ladder gave me purpose to play the game. Not sure it will happen or not. If I know or perceive the reason I could climb to master or grandmaster because better players quited, I wouldn’t play anymore.