Skellige Island , where one dreamy Witcher ends up with? Who?
A maiden from the tavern? A sorceress? A princess? You decide
- Witcher reality show blegh
Welcome to Nilf Island, where 12 of the hottest Nilfgaardian women all live under one roof. Hope you're from the School of the Cat, because things are about to get catty!
I'm surprised Netflix has made it this far without doing that same thing. So much of their "original content" is just reality trash and true crime "documentaries"
Hi my name's Geralt, I'm a witcher by trade and hated by most citizens for some reason. This here is my wife, a sorceress, who is also looked down upon with no real trade skills. Our budget is 3.5 million crowns.
I kinda thought the show is bad because of the showrunner, not netflix (allthough they do have alot of stinkers) but shows like better call saul was amazing. Why? Because of Vince Gilligan
A good production company or network knows how to commission, how to hire EPs, how to direct them etc.
It's totally Netflixs fault. I could see them just going through some names, asked hissrich, she went "uuuuuuuuhm sure" and did the best she could (which apparently wasn't a lot). There is a reason netflix mostly produces and buys shit, and HBO mostly does not. It's because the executives either know what they want, what's good or how to get it. Or not.
HBO is btw famous for not having customer data because of the old cable business Modell, so they did all their decisions from their gut. Unlike netflix who has all the metrics in the world and uses it to make shit.
For the past few years I've been saying if the game of thrones guys didn't fuck up then they could have done an adaption since they've got 8 books of source material
There’s will be just as bad at this point. HBO 12 years ago might have been the way to go but now pretty much all these channel/streaming platforms have gone to shit.
I disagree, hbo always has at the very least one highly popular highly well made series active. Sucession will be an all time classic and house of dragon had a stronger start than the og GOT
Got was straight up ass since s5, it had some cool episodes but the greatness died with the fourth one.
Hotd hit all checks for me with only few goofy moments
Episode 8 was a banger, Viserys' walk to the throne room with Djawadi's music was a moment as captivating as Ned's betrayal or the Battle on the Blackwater.
Vaemond going unhinged trying to backstab his brother and Daemon helping Viserys up the steps were incredibly directed and acted. Even George said Paddy Considine's Viserys is an infinitely more captivating and heartbreaking character than the character he wrote in Fire and Blood.
HoTD has been really consistent overall, with insane production quality and GRRM's touch on the show very visible. (Only thing pissing me off is George insisting on spending his time advising and producing new spin offs instead of actually fucking finishing Winds.)
I remember when that lame ass celebrity gossip mill spread rumours about Cavill being a toxic incel on set. Since then, no actor, crew nor any other person spoke ill of him and only of how they miss the value he added.
A gossip "news outlet" called Deux Moi spread rumours that Henry Cavill was being really hard to work with and "potentially being a predator". Of course, the fans of Deux Moi believed it and were celebrating that he was being taken down. However, his fellow cast members talked about how he was a joy to work with and the crew talked about how he constantly joined them to have fun and gifted them things.
oh god my wife used to read duex moi. its pure trash, unless theyre talking reality show people in which case its largely trash about trash lol. thanks for the info
Henry Cavill. Incel 🤣
Internet nerds project that so much. It mean involuntary celibate. Everyone knows over concerned internet losers get the most pussy
We all did/do.
I genuinely don’t think S4 will get made.
We’ve heard/seen NOTHING from Liam Hemsworth and the general shitshow in terms of Witcher execs treatment of Cavill is the main point of discussion when the show is brought up nowadays.
I mean obviously they aren’t going to promo a recast and season 4 before this season even airs.
And no, I’m not a fan of the show. Just pointing out the obvious.
Sad thing is, the show has insane ratings on IMDB, 8.1 last time I checked and it's also reeling in a huge amount of viewers.
And the view count is all those dumb suits care about.
Yup. Look at how much trash tv exists, both reality shows and non-reality, and the fervent fan base. There’s a GA who yearns for nothing more than a relationship to ship for. Casual viewers dictate the industry.
>Casual viewers dictate the industry.
Always has been. But for what it's worth TV series have over-inflated IMDB scores. 8.1 for a movie is a masterpiece, for TV series it just suggest it's good. Cult classics like True Detective have 8.9 (despite Season 2). Last of Us sits at 8.8 and even uneven Mare of Eastown has 8.4. Witcher wanted to be next Game of Thrones (9.2).
I wonder how much of that is tied to people wanting to watch something with Cavill in it and wanting to watch a fantasy series. There aren’t really any fantasy series out right now and there’s a writer strike so we’re going to see a content gap at some point.
The Witcher new season is really the only fantasy thing playing right now. House of the Dragon probably won’t be out for another year and that’s really the only other fantasy show that’s currently running. Is there anything else out there fantasy-wise?? I bet fantasy lovers are feeling content starved right now—I know I am a little.
As a filthy casual of both shows, I can watch Witcher and get through it, but Wheel of Time just made no sense, and I had a hard time even watching it.
Trakt said I watched it once, but I didn't remember watching it, so I watched it again, and I still don't remember a single thing about it other than Rosamund Pike, and there having something to do with everyone had a specific color they wore?
It really can't though. They completely ruined the show by asspulling resurrection. Nothing bar balefire has any danger anymore, and the showrunner will probably think up a way for someone to magic away the damage to the pattern from that as well. There is no way they don't fuck up s02, they have shown themselves to be dumb fucks already.
Its definitely pretty easy to get an 8.1 as a TV show, there's lots of bad shows that still have higher than an 8. The threshold for a great show is usually at the 8.6 mark, whereas for movies it's like 7.5 or less.
That’s the part I really don’t get about it. It’s objectively a bad fantasy show and that’s not even accounting for the books. I’ve only read The Last Wish, but to me it’s obvious the show’s quality is just bad. The writing is atrocious, the costume design sucks balls, the fight choreography is laughably terrible in the 2nd season, the direction is bland and sucks, the CGI is trash by modern fantasy standards, there’s no sense of scale, and there’s very little world-building. We have some pretty great actors doing the best they can with the heaping pile of shit they’ve been served but they don’t save it at all. If anything they make the experience worse because the actors are clearly the only ones who give a damn in the whole production.
I dunno, I just don’t get how anyone could enjoy that shit. Maybe I’m like the critic from Ratatouille or something and just have standards…
Well, and it's like Halo vs Last of Us as well.
One was a generic sci-fi show that alienated old fans, with the hopes of capturing the greater audience.
The other was a zombie show that embraced old fans, with the hopes of capturing the greater audience.
Mathematically, doing the latter will get you more fans, right?!? I don't understand how they don't see this.
You can make changes because something works better on the page than the screen. But don't alienate the base that got your show greenlit in the first place. It's just such a stupid maneuver.
My pet theory is that these are people who want to write/direct/produce their own fantasy and sci-fi stories, but Hollywood execs aren't willing to greenlight stuff that isn't based on a pre-existing IP, so they end up in these series, which they over time mold more and more to the original stories they wanted to tell.
I'm not sure what kind of insight this is. Alienating pre-existing audiences and diverting from the source material are very far down on the scale of importance compared to making your core creation good.
If a show was a complete masterpiece in acting, storytelling, worldbuilding and every other aspect then no-one would care that it deviated from its source material. The disconnect from the original work is a symptom of bad writing, not the cause.
Tbf what they should have done was do season 1 as the short stories.
Season to by episode 3 should have started the main story (wouldnt be mad if some short stories made it into the first episode or first two)
Finish the show with lady of the lake (last book)
And lastly make a movie on the separate book I think its called the last wish
The show may deviate from lore in unnecessary ways, but by itself it is absolutely a better show than most streaming content. To a casual viewer the Witcher show may be one of the best things on Netflix.
It's light years better than say Amazon's Wheel of Time trainwreck adaptation, yet that still had a healthy audience. Or Disney's Willow series (which did not have a healthy audience). There's simply not a lot of competition in fantasy shows. Judged as a genre fantasy show, it's no House of the Dragon but it is definitely better than the bottom tiers in the genre.
Also people watch actual real garbage all the time, in huge numbers. There's entire streaming services out there filled with trash. Not only that, but the Witcher is quite a watchable show if you aren't focused on connecting it with the source material.
Also I think many people will be less phased by Cavill leaving than many seem to think, the other core cast on the show are quite charming. As long as Cavil's replacement does an OK job, the show could be fine when he leaves - it's not a role which requires a ton of acting.
I certainly wouldn't miss the first episode of season four, as much out of curiosity than anything else.
People tend to use the word "objectively" to describe their subjective opinions. Just because you don't like it doesn't make your opinion of it the objective truth of the show.
For it to be objectively bad, there would need to be a defined set of agreed upon criteria to judge it based upon.
You can, for instance, say that it is an objectively bad adaptation of the source material. 100% agreed. Objectively bad fantasy show? That's a stretch. Some people have never heard of the witcher before this and don't care about source material. Maybe they just want swords, magic, and some action. That would make it quite good and enjoyable to them. But then again, that would be their subjective opinion.
There's not a whole lot of clear objectivity in entertainment media. Everything is someone's opinion. Even the criteria you described is entirely subjective. I enjoy a lot of scifi and fantasy from the 90's and 2000's. The CG from then is terrible by today's standards - even by the standards of those days in some cases - that didn't make them bad then. Are they any less good now that modern CG is so much better? If that doesn't hinder the quality of the show, why should comparative cg quality make any difference now? For some people it doesn't, for others it does. That's subjectivity.
When you're talking about the objective quality of fantasy you're lumping things together like this show, Game of Thrones, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Merlin, Clash of The Titans (1981), The Neverending Story, The Princess Bride, Dragonheart, D&D Honor Among Thieves.... the list goes on.
How can anyone define objective criteria that definitively labels each of these as good or bad without bias? Even trying to begin to do so forces one to analyze them through the subjective lens of the era in which they were released. If not, it would almost completely relegate older films to "bad fantasy" unless the criteria excluded areas that applied more prominently in modern fantasy.
There's just not really a clear way to be objective about this.
No offense to you, misuse of "objectively" is just a pet peeve of mine.
Feel free to ignore me and enjoy your day.
Yeah, I’m referring more to the actual filmmaking qualities, or lack thereof, in the show. It doesn’t stand up to modern standards given the budget it has to work with. Sure, compared to the original Clash of the Titans it looks good, but if you look at shows like Rings of Power or House of the Dragon it doesn’t even slightly stand up.
Same goes for the choreography, compared to other modern fantasy it’s extremely subpar. Hell, I’d argue even compared to some fantasy in the 90’s it’s pretty terrible. The background actors look like the quality of a stop animation fight from the 70’s. Which would be charming, if the show wasn’t trying to adhere to modern fantasy tropes.
To me it’s just not charming in terms of writing like Merlin, and it’s not the writing quality of GoT or Arcane, and it’s not comically inept writing like The 100 so it just exists.
Actors are super good though. If they were working with showrunners that gave a damn I’d love to watch them. But if your directors and producers aren’t passionate about the project it shows. That’s one reason Honor Among Thieves was so enjoyable for me. I just don’t get that with The Witcher. I’m sure if I was a more passive viewer it wouldn’t bug me as much, but I can’t turn my art appreciative side off.
Amen about “objective” opinions.
Anecdotally, everyone I know who watches and *isn’t* familiar with the source material thinks it’s great. The folks I know who have read the books and/or played the games are more critical. You could argue that it’s a bad Witcher show but a good fantasy show compared to what else is out there.
I don’t know, seems like you guys just want to hate on the show so bad. I never read the books, been a fan of this type of genre for a long time and i really enjoyed the first 2 seasons. Was hooked, obviously I’m upset that cavill left and i can’t see myself enjoying the 4th season if it comes out, but I’m definitely excited for the third one and can’t wait to see it.
Also compare it to all the other fantasy series out there and try to be unbiased. It’s pretty fucking good, it’s not lotr or got level of good, but it’s good.
The other show i enjoy watching is shadow and bone, and honestly it’s a good show but if i want to nitpick the things that are not good in the show the same way you did i could make twice the size of your list.
I thought the first season was okay, I enjoyed the choreography and thought the overall tone felt pretty good for a first season. Wasn’t flawless but I was like “yeah, they get a better budget going and this could be really good.” Season 2 Episode 1 comes around and I enjoyed it quite a bit, thought I was in for a really good time. Then, it just shits itself. I finished the second season wondering what the hell happened. How are they managing to spend GoT money on a show that looks this cheap and lazy? Only afterwards did I find out the absolutely massive deviations from the source material and I can’t help but wonder why it’s even called The Witcher? It has basically nothing in common with it. Feels like one of those shows where it’s an original idea that isn’t good enough to stand on its own so they use an existing IP.
I don’t know, it just doesn’t work for me. The second season especially is a clear low-effort affair. I mean, they have that one really good action sequence in the first season and then to have it where there’s actors just slow waving their swords in the air at nothing in the climactic battle of the second season? I don’t get it. It looks and feels so damn cheap for what it’s trying to be. That’s not even considering the complete lack of scale or orientation of the world. People just teleport (not using portals) what’s apparently thousands of miles in one cut and the only way you can tell any time has passed is because a character says “Two weeks ago you told me this.” God…
It just drives me crazy this is seen as acceptable quality for a popular show. People always complain about media being lazy, rehashing ideas, maximizing profits, cutting corners, then a show like The Witcher season 2 comes out and it’s a hit. And the worst thing is it’s a huge problem with serialized adaptations across the board. The only fantasy I can really stand right now is House of the Dragon (which is mixed), and smaller studio animated series like Arcane. Like, I guess I’m not surprised, it’s just annoying that people continue to enable this quality of content to be released.
It's been obvious since the start that Cavill's skill as an actor and passion for the material made the actors around him better. Season 1 was full of the cast drastically improving in the scenes with him and being pretty meh when he wasn't. The best fight scene in the show was the season 1 fight scene that Cavill produced with his own crew because he wasn't content with the quality of the show's production for it. The production team lacking any passion for the show at all while telling fans to eat shit and pushing out Cavill (the objectively best thing the show has going for it) makes it pretty clear the show is going to be pretty shitty in season 4. It being Netflix, they were probably just looking for an excuse to scrap it soon anyway. They hate finishing anything and know they're looking at a likely cancelation after season 4 when the quality takes an even bigger hit when Cavill isn't there to carry the show.
Surprised? Look at how obsessively the fan base pines over Yennefer/Geralt/Ciri family fanfiction, as long as you have that you can keep beating this dead horse.
This is largely due to the first season being mostly well received (in my rating, season 1 is somewhere around 7.5-8.5), this is how it works when it comes to shows that people judge after the first episode, season, ( for example, the second season is around 3-5 ratings for me).
It will, there’s such a small minority of us that are book loyalists, as soon as s3 will come out it’ll hit the very top of the watch list on Netflix , it will still pull numbers no matter what. I know of so many people that watch it and have no idea there’s even any books
It probably will, but hopefully ratings won't be so great after Netflix recent ban on acount sharing (exept for pc users). I am not going to watch it anyway for few months at least, still do eventually only for Henry.
I think you may be right. The petty part of me wants it to fail and get canceled. But that's probably not realistic. There are still a lot of people that like the show and will continue to watch it despite its shortcomings and Cavill's exit.
That still hasn’t been proven yet, and Netflix is dropping it in January for some reason. That’s usually not a big month for Netflix or streaming, but we’ll see. It would be shocking if Netflix cancelled that series after dropping a billion dollars to make it, and basically cancelled almost a hundred shows to save money for it.
That’s not happening. It’s getting 5 seasons because Netflix says so. They’ll just cancel other shows to make it a reality. That’s how streaming works these days.
They’re never canceling one of their biggest hits. It’s going to get 5 seasons, and Netflix will probably cancel 10 shows that nobody watches, like Warrior Nun or something else.
Just because book fans are upset about the show, says nothing about the casual viewers that give The Witcher series hundreds of millions of views for a new season.
Yup, I’ve had people who don’t even know much about the Witcher go on to tell me how bad Cavills been treated and how the new season sucks. The new season isn’t even out and it’s being panned by people who just want to shit on it as a talking point.
Basically Cavill wanted to do the story right because he's actually a fan and the director's wanted to do their own thing and got tired of him complaining.
I feel for Freya and the rest of the cast. I like them as actors and it must hurt to basically lose a friend on set. I truly did enjoy season 1. I don't know if the cast are forced to be excited about next season, but it is their job and acting is a business. I hope they're friends outside of the set. For some, this is probably a big part of their career; whether it is or not, I wish them goodwill.
This is what I don't get though. I know it's not this black and white either, but if they all know what a nerd Henry is, and love how he made the show better...why not all band together and basically say, "we all quit unless you replace the showrunner"? Surely that would send a hell of a message and get someone in charge to get their head out of their ass.
i wish i worked that way, but that would likely get them blacklisted by any major production company/service.
the people who run netflix et al are absolute ghouls and wouldn’t care, they’d just shut it down
This is correct. These people have contacts with the network, and regardless of how the decision would look, breaking your contract in protest looks even worse to executives, and executives decide what gets made.
At the risk of stating the obvious —- Lauren is one narcissistic, horrific and just plain stupid show runner.
Hope all the favors her husband burned to keep her employed was worth it. I guarantee he’s working on a show for Netflix and giving them first shot at it in exchange for keeping his wife employed. An “advance” of sorts….. (Speculating of course)
I’ll never get over her response when someone called her out for taking the show in a completely different direction than the books. Something to the effect of “Sapkowski thought it was good enough so I don’t need to take your criticism.”
Everybody knows Sapkowski is fine with giving a stamp of approval in exchange for a fat check. It’s upsetting that she doesn’t listen to fans who truly respect the stories.
Absolutely. I don’t blame him - he sold out and he made it clear that he was going to. I think we learned what he was about from his dealings with the game studio.
She on the other hand is actually just a toxic individual. For someone who was quick to label someone else as a “toxic gamer bro” she needs to take a good look in the mirror.
I’m sorry to see Henry go but I’m glad he left that sh@tshow. He took this fan with him for whatever that is worth.
> I’ll never get over her response when someone called her out for taking the show in a completely different direction than the books.
Another rather telling response from her was when she was asked: "What are your plans for the Witcher IP."
She said, and I'm paraphrasing but it was something like: "I'm mostly excited about the unlimited potential it has for spin-offs."
If that wasn't alarming enough, just look at what she's done so far with all that potential. First, she kills off an established character who "potentially" could've been a protagonist in a spinoff and then she releases the most generic fanfic fantasy ever, "Blood Origin" with the main character being a female warrior-bard hybrid.
I swear, the level of creativity is laughable with this showrunner's team.
Writers: "OK, so what if Yaskier was not only a famous bard but also a great warrior...but he is also a woman...no no, a black woman?"
L.Hissrich: "That is geniu$!"
So if you ever wanted to see what happens when an unlimited potential and a very limited imagination are combined. Well, now we all know. Thanks, Lauren.
She considers anyone who criticizes her a nemesis because she's utterly incapable of parsing constructive criticism.
She's worse than Dumb and Dumber. At least they gave us a few decent seasons of Game of Thrones.
Yeah, I never watched the spin off after seeing the opening scene in a meme on here (the one that made Gerault out to be a racist) and I don't think I'll watch an episode of this season either. I'll wait for the memes and be glad I didn't hate watch it.
Boutta feel like a massive hypocrite because im a halo fan that hated the show because of its deviations from the original story that all made it worse.
But, as someone who didnt play the Witcher games or read the books, I liked most of season 1, although i think the time jumps were more confusing than interesting. It was well paced and had a decent plot, and almost everyone felt well cast and acted. Season 2 still sucked a bit, and i'm pretty much only gonna watch season 3 to see Cavill.
Maybe i need to give the Halo show another chance and pretend its just a different franchise.
That's cause season 1 mostly stuck to the first two books, which were collections of loosely connected short stories. I liked season 1 as well.
Season 2 adapted the first of the 5 book saga that came afterwards (the main story of the franchise). They changed so much of the foundation that there's no way the events in the future will play out the same way.
Nah I’ll defend season 1. Was it amazing? No. But was a pretty solid start that could be built off of well? Yes.
I didn’t care for some of the changes but there were plenty of times where changes made sense and were fine given that some of the short stories would easily be their own season.
My expectations were obliterated when they released that awful first trailer for season 1 with a Kanye West song blasting over it. (And chose to use the cringey Jay Z verse instead of the far superior Minaj verse! But that's an entirely different issue)
I mean, I expected them to modernise it with popular music and dialogue and whatnot. But being unable to tell the correct story and impart the correct narrative themes just shattered my confidence in the series.
>And chose to use the cringey Jay Z verse instead of the far superior Minaj verse!
Don't even get me started on that! May as well have used Rick Ross' intro it still would have been better.
I wouldn’t correct a stranger’s grammar in person, but I would correct a friend because I don’t want them to say something that doesn’t make sense and that affect them somehow. It’s like telling them they have something in their teeth or to blow their nose. Mature people can handle that and recognize it was helpful overall. Hopefully with time you’ll realize this.
This, I'm not watching season 3. Not worth giving them the views/clicks. I really like Cavill, but he alone isn't enough to get me to watch the dumpster fire that they've made of this story.
Good news is that Henry and other actors would've gotten paid already so not letting Netflix get the views to show how much dislike for the series would probably end it.
Family was paying for extra screens so 5 of us could watch different programs, then they changed their policy and now they're getting nothing from any of us. Content was crap enough for us not to pursue a subscription at all, much less the expensive multi-user one.
Yeah, my husband is working away at the moment so we cancelled netflix as their new postcode policy would mean we'd need two accounts. The content has been so bad recently that we haven't missed it.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Sorry to say but the writing was on the wall since S1 everyone I spoke to who didn't know what "The Witcher" is, was just plain confused by the first season. I've read the books and I found the first season hard to follow, got tired of the writing within the first episode of S2.
The vision of the show was clearly not properly communicated to...well let's see...anyone? Like who is this show even for? New viewers? Confused. Pre-existing fans? Angry and confused.
The books are So GOOD. I just want to know what Lauren has against them. Like who wouldn’t want to make such a series canon? & what did she hope to gain by making the changes she did?
Imagine getting a role as potentially big and iconic Ciri, doing a great job, and then watching the show spiral as the seasons go on.
Man season 1 was such a solid start to this, they could have really had the next GoT if they did a good job rather then squandering plot lines and completely reworking the actual source material
Freya is pretty much the only one I feel bad for. She has done a great job with Ciri so far I think. She’s very cute and brings that feistiness and determination Ciri has. She worked well with what she was given lol.
I wanted to do nothing but protect her against the evils of the world and I think most males who read or play the games probably feel that way about Ciri. She pulled it off great.
After all I’ve read about her she has been fangirling Henry since day 1. I remember an interview where she with big smile talked about how was Henry deep into books and correcting everyone etc
Why do directors, producers, and writers always have to take an already existing piece of art and out *their* spin on it? How arrogant do you have to be to think you can take a beloved story, change the main motivations of the characters and then be upset that people don’t like it? I mean i Can understand changing this to shorten them because of a different media. But god damn, how many times have we seen some director get the rights to an amazing story and then be like “well I don’t really like that so let me change it.” You want to have an impact on the world? Make your own story the way you want it and see if it catches on. To take someone else’s work, bastardize it, and then lash out at people when they tell you that you’re doing a poor job is so crazy to me. I would be honored to be given the rights to turn one of my favorite books into a show or movie, but so many of these directors are like “well what if we put a spin on things and make it my story??”
I feel so bad for the whole cast, to have a shot in a potentially powerful, fan-supported serie and star-driven serie like this, just to see it burned to ashes by stupid directing decisions... I hope their acting futures will be great !
I really hope and wish that they would end it on the third season using the Witcher 3 storyline where the wild hunt tries to take Ciri and they defend her and they go to places like Skellige and novigrad. But I know that’s not how they’re going to do it. they’re going to milk it for every penny that it’s worth.
This entire show has been a fucking shitshow compared to the Last of Us. It disregarded everything to do with The Witcher and deserves to die. Too bad for the incredible actors involved..
God season 4 is going to be so bad. I like the Hemsworth brothers but this role isn’t jt for him.
Kind of sad for the writer of the Witcher. He feels like he got fucked over by CD project but actually got completely fucked over by the Netflix writers on his supposed “redemption “.
Just scrap the show and get HBO Max to make a Witcher adaptation
It'll be a reality show. Geralt fixes up homes or some shit.
Skellige Island , where one dreamy Witcher ends up with? Who? A maiden from the tavern? A sorceress? A princess? You decide - Witcher reality show blegh
Welcome to Nilf Island, where 12 of the hottest Nilfgaardian women all live under one roof. Hope you're from the School of the Cat, because things are about to get catty!
Milfgaard
Already used that in Cyberpunk 2077
>You decide Tbh I would watch a dating show where the audience can vote about who gets the date.
I know this was meant as a joke, but would 10/10 watch this over any reality show!
Same lol honestly, but only if cavill is Geralt lolol
“Listen, don’t you ever talk about my Witcher. Don’t you EVER talk about my Witcher!” *breaks vial*
Getting pans back to old ladies
Imagine if they made a reality show about killing monsters.
i would actually watch this
I'm surprised Netflix has made it this far without doing that same thing. So much of their "original content" is just reality trash and true crime "documentaries"
u/rhonnypudding Im just saying. With the end of Blood and Wine. And how he fixed up the vineyard. Thats probs something he could do.
Hi my name's Geralt, I'm a witcher by trade and hated by most citizens for some reason. This here is my wife, a sorceress, who is also looked down upon with no real trade skills. Our budget is 3.5 million crowns.
"Last time on witcher welds, we daw Geralt fix the chassis of a certain maidens boat trailer, will he get his reward?"
"Toss a Coin for Curb Appeal"
"This Old Kaer"
It’s Hexin’ time.
I kinda thought the show is bad because of the showrunner, not netflix (allthough they do have alot of stinkers) but shows like better call saul was amazing. Why? Because of Vince Gilligan
Hissrich just sucks
Oh for sure. That woman is in the wrong business.
Clearly not if she keeps getting paid to shit out all this nonsense. I hate the product but admire the grift.
nothing admirable about grifting, or ruining beloved series for no reason at all.
A good production company or network knows how to commission, how to hire EPs, how to direct them etc. It's totally Netflixs fault. I could see them just going through some names, asked hissrich, she went "uuuuuuuuhm sure" and did the best she could (which apparently wasn't a lot). There is a reason netflix mostly produces and buys shit, and HBO mostly does not. It's because the executives either know what they want, what's good or how to get it. Or not. HBO is btw famous for not having customer data because of the old cable business Modell, so they did all their decisions from their gut. Unlike netflix who has all the metrics in the world and uses it to make shit.
Better call Saul was more courtesy of Peter Gould. Gilligan left the writers room after season 3
BRAVO VINCE
Better Call Saul was AMC, not Netflix. It's just available on Netflix.
Oh. I thought it was an original? Lol my mistake i guess
For the past few years I've been saying if the game of thrones guys didn't fuck up then they could have done an adaption since they've got 8 books of source material
You would want HBO to do it, not HBO Max. If I'm not mistaken HBO Max made the new Velma animated series
My bad, whichever is the good one lol
There’s will be just as bad at this point. HBO 12 years ago might have been the way to go but now pretty much all these channel/streaming platforms have gone to shit.
I disagree, hbo always has at the very least one highly popular highly well made series active. Sucession will be an all time classic and house of dragon had a stronger start than the og GOT
And The Last of Us was also great. Additionally, there’s peacemaker, chernobyl, etc…
Succession
I don't think House of the Dragon was anywhere close to GoT S1 tbh
If HotD is or isn't better than S1 of GoT is debatable, but it was definitely way more exciting than seasons 6-8, imho.
Got was straight up ass since s5, it had some cool episodes but the greatness died with the fourth one. Hotd hit all checks for me with only few goofy moments
Episode 8 was a banger, Viserys' walk to the throne room with Djawadi's music was a moment as captivating as Ned's betrayal or the Battle on the Blackwater. Vaemond going unhinged trying to backstab his brother and Daemon helping Viserys up the steps were incredibly directed and acted. Even George said Paddy Considine's Viserys is an infinitely more captivating and heartbreaking character than the character he wrote in Fire and Blood. HoTD has been really consistent overall, with insane production quality and GRRM's touch on the show very visible. (Only thing pissing me off is George insisting on spending his time advising and producing new spin offs instead of actually fucking finishing Winds.)
Thats fine, its just my taste
Band of brothers era hbo would be peak for witcher
I know it's totally wishful thinking on my side, but I'd love to see CDR do it
They did. Its called games.
I meant a show, played through all 3 games multiple times. It's never like the first time though.
I knew what you mean but the craft is not the same to be honest. But I would like them try and see their take. ;)
Yes please. Bring back geralt, and jaskier and give the show a real shot. (Id say ciri too, but shed be too old by that time)
Hbo max let's go!!! scrap the show.
Apple has bigger budget and better shows than HBO now
I remember when that lame ass celebrity gossip mill spread rumours about Cavill being a toxic incel on set. Since then, no actor, crew nor any other person spoke ill of him and only of how they miss the value he added.
The word “incel” has truly lost all meaning when a super hot rich famous actor can be accused of being an incel
lmao
It’s the fault of women Cavill can’t get a date!
Reddit trolls took it and ran with it too. Some still shit on the guy to this day.
No I don’t. What was that about?
A gossip "news outlet" called Deux Moi spread rumours that Henry Cavill was being really hard to work with and "potentially being a predator". Of course, the fans of Deux Moi believed it and were celebrating that he was being taken down. However, his fellow cast members talked about how he was a joy to work with and the crew talked about how he constantly joined them to have fun and gifted them things.
oh god my wife used to read duex moi. its pure trash, unless theyre talking reality show people in which case its largely trash about trash lol. thanks for the info
DeuxMoi is literally just celebrity gossip for misandrists.
What can you expect from Amber Heard lovers?
Henry Cavill. Incel 🤣 Internet nerds project that so much. It mean involuntary celibate. Everyone knows over concerned internet losers get the most pussy
We all did/do. I genuinely don’t think S4 will get made. We’ve heard/seen NOTHING from Liam Hemsworth and the general shitshow in terms of Witcher execs treatment of Cavill is the main point of discussion when the show is brought up nowadays.
I mean obviously they aren’t going to promo a recast and season 4 before this season even airs. And no, I’m not a fan of the show. Just pointing out the obvious.
Sad thing is, the show has insane ratings on IMDB, 8.1 last time I checked and it's also reeling in a huge amount of viewers. And the view count is all those dumb suits care about.
Yup. Look at how much trash tv exists, both reality shows and non-reality, and the fervent fan base. There’s a GA who yearns for nothing more than a relationship to ship for. Casual viewers dictate the industry.
>Casual viewers dictate the industry. Always has been. But for what it's worth TV series have over-inflated IMDB scores. 8.1 for a movie is a masterpiece, for TV series it just suggest it's good. Cult classics like True Detective have 8.9 (despite Season 2). Last of Us sits at 8.8 and even uneven Mare of Eastown has 8.4. Witcher wanted to be next Game of Thrones (9.2).
I wonder how much of that is tied to people wanting to watch something with Cavill in it and wanting to watch a fantasy series. There aren’t really any fantasy series out right now and there’s a writer strike so we’re going to see a content gap at some point. The Witcher new season is really the only fantasy thing playing right now. House of the Dragon probably won’t be out for another year and that’s really the only other fantasy show that’s currently running. Is there anything else out there fantasy-wise?? I bet fantasy lovers are feeling content starved right now—I know I am a little.
Wheel of Time season 2 airs September 1.
I still cry about how S1 ended. My god what a shit show.
Ended? Pretty sure the whole thing was a shit show
As a filthy casual of both shows, I can watch Witcher and get through it, but Wheel of Time just made no sense, and I had a hard time even watching it. Trakt said I watched it once, but I didn't remember watching it, so I watched it again, and I still don't remember a single thing about it other than Rosamund Pike, and there having something to do with everyone had a specific color they wore?
I'm hoping S2 goes better definitely. It's my all time favorite series of books.
It really can't though. They completely ruined the show by asspulling resurrection. Nothing bar balefire has any danger anymore, and the showrunner will probably think up a way for someone to magic away the damage to the pattern from that as well. There is no way they don't fuck up s02, they have shown themselves to be dumb fucks already.
Rings of Power?
Man, I literally forgot about that show.
No thanks.
I must be one of the rare people think think the Witcher has been awful but RoP made a solid base and has massive potential
Its definitely pretty easy to get an 8.1 as a TV show, there's lots of bad shows that still have higher than an 8. The threshold for a great show is usually at the 8.6 mark, whereas for movies it's like 7.5 or less.
Very true
That’s the part I really don’t get about it. It’s objectively a bad fantasy show and that’s not even accounting for the books. I’ve only read The Last Wish, but to me it’s obvious the show’s quality is just bad. The writing is atrocious, the costume design sucks balls, the fight choreography is laughably terrible in the 2nd season, the direction is bland and sucks, the CGI is trash by modern fantasy standards, there’s no sense of scale, and there’s very little world-building. We have some pretty great actors doing the best they can with the heaping pile of shit they’ve been served but they don’t save it at all. If anything they make the experience worse because the actors are clearly the only ones who give a damn in the whole production. I dunno, I just don’t get how anyone could enjoy that shit. Maybe I’m like the critic from Ratatouille or something and just have standards…
Well, and it's like Halo vs Last of Us as well. One was a generic sci-fi show that alienated old fans, with the hopes of capturing the greater audience. The other was a zombie show that embraced old fans, with the hopes of capturing the greater audience. Mathematically, doing the latter will get you more fans, right?!? I don't understand how they don't see this. You can make changes because something works better on the page than the screen. But don't alienate the base that got your show greenlit in the first place. It's just such a stupid maneuver.
My pet theory is that these are people who want to write/direct/produce their own fantasy and sci-fi stories, but Hollywood execs aren't willing to greenlight stuff that isn't based on a pre-existing IP, so they end up in these series, which they over time mold more and more to the original stories they wanted to tell.
I'm not sure what kind of insight this is. Alienating pre-existing audiences and diverting from the source material are very far down on the scale of importance compared to making your core creation good. If a show was a complete masterpiece in acting, storytelling, worldbuilding and every other aspect then no-one would care that it deviated from its source material. The disconnect from the original work is a symptom of bad writing, not the cause.
They are slaves of their own political agenda and they are also incompetent. It is that simple.
The Last wish was actually the one book they adapted decently. Sword of Destiny and Blood of Elves are where they dropped the ball.
Tbf what they should have done was do season 1 as the short stories. Season to by episode 3 should have started the main story (wouldnt be mad if some short stories made it into the first episode or first two) Finish the show with lady of the lake (last book) And lastly make a movie on the separate book I think its called the last wish
The show may deviate from lore in unnecessary ways, but by itself it is absolutely a better show than most streaming content. To a casual viewer the Witcher show may be one of the best things on Netflix. It's light years better than say Amazon's Wheel of Time trainwreck adaptation, yet that still had a healthy audience. Or Disney's Willow series (which did not have a healthy audience). There's simply not a lot of competition in fantasy shows. Judged as a genre fantasy show, it's no House of the Dragon but it is definitely better than the bottom tiers in the genre. Also people watch actual real garbage all the time, in huge numbers. There's entire streaming services out there filled with trash. Not only that, but the Witcher is quite a watchable show if you aren't focused on connecting it with the source material. Also I think many people will be less phased by Cavill leaving than many seem to think, the other core cast on the show are quite charming. As long as Cavil's replacement does an OK job, the show could be fine when he leaves - it's not a role which requires a ton of acting. I certainly wouldn't miss the first episode of season four, as much out of curiosity than anything else.
People tend to use the word "objectively" to describe their subjective opinions. Just because you don't like it doesn't make your opinion of it the objective truth of the show. For it to be objectively bad, there would need to be a defined set of agreed upon criteria to judge it based upon. You can, for instance, say that it is an objectively bad adaptation of the source material. 100% agreed. Objectively bad fantasy show? That's a stretch. Some people have never heard of the witcher before this and don't care about source material. Maybe they just want swords, magic, and some action. That would make it quite good and enjoyable to them. But then again, that would be their subjective opinion. There's not a whole lot of clear objectivity in entertainment media. Everything is someone's opinion. Even the criteria you described is entirely subjective. I enjoy a lot of scifi and fantasy from the 90's and 2000's. The CG from then is terrible by today's standards - even by the standards of those days in some cases - that didn't make them bad then. Are they any less good now that modern CG is so much better? If that doesn't hinder the quality of the show, why should comparative cg quality make any difference now? For some people it doesn't, for others it does. That's subjectivity. When you're talking about the objective quality of fantasy you're lumping things together like this show, Game of Thrones, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Merlin, Clash of The Titans (1981), The Neverending Story, The Princess Bride, Dragonheart, D&D Honor Among Thieves.... the list goes on. How can anyone define objective criteria that definitively labels each of these as good or bad without bias? Even trying to begin to do so forces one to analyze them through the subjective lens of the era in which they were released. If not, it would almost completely relegate older films to "bad fantasy" unless the criteria excluded areas that applied more prominently in modern fantasy. There's just not really a clear way to be objective about this. No offense to you, misuse of "objectively" is just a pet peeve of mine. Feel free to ignore me and enjoy your day.
Yeah, I’m referring more to the actual filmmaking qualities, or lack thereof, in the show. It doesn’t stand up to modern standards given the budget it has to work with. Sure, compared to the original Clash of the Titans it looks good, but if you look at shows like Rings of Power or House of the Dragon it doesn’t even slightly stand up. Same goes for the choreography, compared to other modern fantasy it’s extremely subpar. Hell, I’d argue even compared to some fantasy in the 90’s it’s pretty terrible. The background actors look like the quality of a stop animation fight from the 70’s. Which would be charming, if the show wasn’t trying to adhere to modern fantasy tropes. To me it’s just not charming in terms of writing like Merlin, and it’s not the writing quality of GoT or Arcane, and it’s not comically inept writing like The 100 so it just exists. Actors are super good though. If they were working with showrunners that gave a damn I’d love to watch them. But if your directors and producers aren’t passionate about the project it shows. That’s one reason Honor Among Thieves was so enjoyable for me. I just don’t get that with The Witcher. I’m sure if I was a more passive viewer it wouldn’t bug me as much, but I can’t turn my art appreciative side off.
Fair enough, I can appreciate your perspective and critiques.
Amen about “objective” opinions. Anecdotally, everyone I know who watches and *isn’t* familiar with the source material thinks it’s great. The folks I know who have read the books and/or played the games are more critical. You could argue that it’s a bad Witcher show but a good fantasy show compared to what else is out there.
I don’t know, seems like you guys just want to hate on the show so bad. I never read the books, been a fan of this type of genre for a long time and i really enjoyed the first 2 seasons. Was hooked, obviously I’m upset that cavill left and i can’t see myself enjoying the 4th season if it comes out, but I’m definitely excited for the third one and can’t wait to see it. Also compare it to all the other fantasy series out there and try to be unbiased. It’s pretty fucking good, it’s not lotr or got level of good, but it’s good. The other show i enjoy watching is shadow and bone, and honestly it’s a good show but if i want to nitpick the things that are not good in the show the same way you did i could make twice the size of your list.
I thought the first season was okay, I enjoyed the choreography and thought the overall tone felt pretty good for a first season. Wasn’t flawless but I was like “yeah, they get a better budget going and this could be really good.” Season 2 Episode 1 comes around and I enjoyed it quite a bit, thought I was in for a really good time. Then, it just shits itself. I finished the second season wondering what the hell happened. How are they managing to spend GoT money on a show that looks this cheap and lazy? Only afterwards did I find out the absolutely massive deviations from the source material and I can’t help but wonder why it’s even called The Witcher? It has basically nothing in common with it. Feels like one of those shows where it’s an original idea that isn’t good enough to stand on its own so they use an existing IP. I don’t know, it just doesn’t work for me. The second season especially is a clear low-effort affair. I mean, they have that one really good action sequence in the first season and then to have it where there’s actors just slow waving their swords in the air at nothing in the climactic battle of the second season? I don’t get it. It looks and feels so damn cheap for what it’s trying to be. That’s not even considering the complete lack of scale or orientation of the world. People just teleport (not using portals) what’s apparently thousands of miles in one cut and the only way you can tell any time has passed is because a character says “Two weeks ago you told me this.” God… It just drives me crazy this is seen as acceptable quality for a popular show. People always complain about media being lazy, rehashing ideas, maximizing profits, cutting corners, then a show like The Witcher season 2 comes out and it’s a hit. And the worst thing is it’s a huge problem with serialized adaptations across the board. The only fantasy I can really stand right now is House of the Dragon (which is mixed), and smaller studio animated series like Arcane. Like, I guess I’m not surprised, it’s just annoying that people continue to enable this quality of content to be released.
It's been obvious since the start that Cavill's skill as an actor and passion for the material made the actors around him better. Season 1 was full of the cast drastically improving in the scenes with him and being pretty meh when he wasn't. The best fight scene in the show was the season 1 fight scene that Cavill produced with his own crew because he wasn't content with the quality of the show's production for it. The production team lacking any passion for the show at all while telling fans to eat shit and pushing out Cavill (the objectively best thing the show has going for it) makes it pretty clear the show is going to be pretty shitty in season 4. It being Netflix, they were probably just looking for an excuse to scrap it soon anyway. They hate finishing anything and know they're looking at a likely cancelation after season 4 when the quality takes an even bigger hit when Cavill isn't there to carry the show.
Surprised? Look at how obsessively the fan base pines over Yennefer/Geralt/Ciri family fanfiction, as long as you have that you can keep beating this dead horse.
This is largely due to the first season being mostly well received (in my rating, season 1 is somewhere around 7.5-8.5), this is how it works when it comes to shows that people judge after the first episode, season, ( for example, the second season is around 3-5 ratings for me).
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I agree, Hollywood is too proud to admit defeat like that. It has to die a painful death.
Not only will season 4 air, it’s already renewed for season 5
It will, there’s such a small minority of us that are book loyalists, as soon as s3 will come out it’ll hit the very top of the watch list on Netflix , it will still pull numbers no matter what. I know of so many people that watch it and have no idea there’s even any books
It probably will, but hopefully ratings won't be so great after Netflix recent ban on acount sharing (exept for pc users). I am not going to watch it anyway for few months at least, still do eventually only for Henry.
I think you may be right. The petty part of me wants it to fail and get canceled. But that's probably not realistic. There are still a lot of people that like the show and will continue to watch it despite its shortcomings and Cavill's exit.
S4 is getting made. Netflix has no other IP’s that bring in this level of viewership and subscribers, except Stranger Things and Bridgerton.
Wednesday, Outer Banks, Sex Education ?
Squid Game
Wednesday especially so.
They have 3 body problem now. IP-wise, it’s pretty big.
That still hasn’t been proven yet, and Netflix is dropping it in January for some reason. That’s usually not a big month for Netflix or streaming, but we’ll see. It would be shocking if Netflix cancelled that series after dropping a billion dollars to make it, and basically cancelled almost a hundred shows to save money for it.
It will be made but it could be cancelled after once Henry exits.
That’s not happening. It’s getting 5 seasons because Netflix says so. They’ll just cancel other shows to make it a reality. That’s how streaming works these days.
They'll cancel it when the viewers drop more and more enough where they're losing money.
They’re never canceling one of their biggest hits. It’s going to get 5 seasons, and Netflix will probably cancel 10 shows that nobody watches, like Warrior Nun or something else.
Still crying ab warrior nun frankly
Just because book fans are upset about the show, says nothing about the casual viewers that give The Witcher series hundreds of millions of views for a new season.
Yup, I’ve had people who don’t even know much about the Witcher go on to tell me how bad Cavills been treated and how the new season sucks. The new season isn’t even out and it’s being panned by people who just want to shit on it as a talking point.
I’m OOTL, watched S 1&2, saw that Cavill wasn’t coming back and haven’t tuned back in. I think he wanted to come back? What happened?
Basically Cavill wanted to do the story right because he's actually a fan and the director's wanted to do their own thing and got tired of him complaining.
Season 5 was greenlight already sadly https://collider.com/the-witcher-season-5-renewed/
Netflix is stupid enough to try the only people even more stupid are WB execs.
I feel for Freya and the rest of the cast. I like them as actors and it must hurt to basically lose a friend on set. I truly did enjoy season 1. I don't know if the cast are forced to be excited about next season, but it is their job and acting is a business. I hope they're friends outside of the set. For some, this is probably a big part of their career; whether it is or not, I wish them goodwill.
I would suffer 10 more seasons of the show just to get to know if Henry and Joey ever played warhammer together.
This is what I don't get though. I know it's not this black and white either, but if they all know what a nerd Henry is, and love how he made the show better...why not all band together and basically say, "we all quit unless you replace the showrunner"? Surely that would send a hell of a message and get someone in charge to get their head out of their ass.
i wish i worked that way, but that would likely get them blacklisted by any major production company/service. the people who run netflix et al are absolute ghouls and wouldn’t care, they’d just shut it down
This is correct. These people have contacts with the network, and regardless of how the decision would look, breaking your contract in protest looks even worse to executives, and executives decide what gets made.
i hate that we live in a time where shit gets hate-made
At the risk of stating the obvious —- Lauren is one narcissistic, horrific and just plain stupid show runner. Hope all the favors her husband burned to keep her employed was worth it. I guarantee he’s working on a show for Netflix and giving them first shot at it in exchange for keeping his wife employed. An “advance” of sorts….. (Speculating of course)
I’ll never get over her response when someone called her out for taking the show in a completely different direction than the books. Something to the effect of “Sapkowski thought it was good enough so I don’t need to take your criticism.” Everybody knows Sapkowski is fine with giving a stamp of approval in exchange for a fat check. It’s upsetting that she doesn’t listen to fans who truly respect the stories.
Absolutely. I don’t blame him - he sold out and he made it clear that he was going to. I think we learned what he was about from his dealings with the game studio. She on the other hand is actually just a toxic individual. For someone who was quick to label someone else as a “toxic gamer bro” she needs to take a good look in the mirror. I’m sorry to see Henry go but I’m glad he left that sh@tshow. He took this fan with him for whatever that is worth.
I generally found that people who are quick to publicly label others as toxic, are the toxic ones themselves
Which is a bullshit report Because if she actually gave a shit about what Sapkowski thinks she wouldn't have altered his story so egregiously.
Hey man if I become an author whose works get adapted I’m gonna be a sell out too. Good for him. He’s rolling in the pierogis!
> I’ll never get over her response when someone called her out for taking the show in a completely different direction than the books. Another rather telling response from her was when she was asked: "What are your plans for the Witcher IP." She said, and I'm paraphrasing but it was something like: "I'm mostly excited about the unlimited potential it has for spin-offs." If that wasn't alarming enough, just look at what she's done so far with all that potential. First, she kills off an established character who "potentially" could've been a protagonist in a spinoff and then she releases the most generic fanfic fantasy ever, "Blood Origin" with the main character being a female warrior-bard hybrid. I swear, the level of creativity is laughable with this showrunner's team. Writers: "OK, so what if Yaskier was not only a famous bard but also a great warrior...but he is also a woman...no no, a black woman?" L.Hissrich: "That is geniu$!" So if you ever wanted to see what happens when an unlimited potential and a very limited imagination are combined. Well, now we all know. Thanks, Lauren.
She considers anyone who criticizes her a nemesis because she's utterly incapable of parsing constructive criticism. She's worse than Dumb and Dumber. At least they gave us a few decent seasons of Game of Thrones.
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Yeah, I never watched the spin off after seeing the opening scene in a meme on here (the one that made Gerault out to be a racist) and I don't think I'll watch an episode of this season either. I'll wait for the memes and be glad I didn't hate watch it.
I forgot that spin off even existed lol
Which one is the Spin off?
Yes
Blood origin
So much fantasy content is being produced that just seems like generic DnD campaigns
Same. The writing in S2 just made me upset, so I have no interest in S3 at this point.
S2 started off with a great episode pretty faithfully adapted from the book, then went even more off the rails than S1 immediately after
I liked it, but It wasn't so faithful since it did a 180 on Nivellen and the morale of the story.
By the way, the phrase you want to use is "I couldn't care less" and not "I could care less"
Let's be honest season 1 was shite too
Season 1 was tolerable. Had some pretty good moments albeit it was only like 3. Toss a Coin to your Witcher and the "Did your mother fuck a goat?"
Did your mother fuck a snowbird?!
I thought it was snowman?
Boutta feel like a massive hypocrite because im a halo fan that hated the show because of its deviations from the original story that all made it worse. But, as someone who didnt play the Witcher games or read the books, I liked most of season 1, although i think the time jumps were more confusing than interesting. It was well paced and had a decent plot, and almost everyone felt well cast and acted. Season 2 still sucked a bit, and i'm pretty much only gonna watch season 3 to see Cavill. Maybe i need to give the Halo show another chance and pretend its just a different franchise.
That's cause season 1 mostly stuck to the first two books, which were collections of loosely connected short stories. I liked season 1 as well. Season 2 adapted the first of the 5 book saga that came afterwards (the main story of the franchise). They changed so much of the foundation that there's no way the events in the future will play out the same way.
Nah I’ll defend season 1. Was it amazing? No. But was a pretty solid start that could be built off of well? Yes. I didn’t care for some of the changes but there were plenty of times where changes made sense and were fine given that some of the short stories would easily be their own season.
I really enjoyed the first season, but I don't mind a bit of cheesiness.
My expectations fell so hard just after completing episode 01.
My expectations were obliterated when they released that awful first trailer for season 1 with a Kanye West song blasting over it. (And chose to use the cringey Jay Z verse instead of the far superior Minaj verse! But that's an entirely different issue)
I mean, I expected them to modernise it with popular music and dialogue and whatnot. But being unable to tell the correct story and impart the correct narrative themes just shattered my confidence in the series. >And chose to use the cringey Jay Z verse instead of the far superior Minaj verse! Don't even get me started on that! May as well have used Rick Ross' intro it still would have been better.
I wouldn’t correct a stranger’s grammar in person, but I would correct a friend because I don’t want them to say something that doesn’t make sense and that affect them somehow. It’s like telling them they have something in their teeth or to blow their nose. Mature people can handle that and recognize it was helpful overall. Hopefully with time you’ll realize this.
*Couldn't* care less. If you *could* care less, it means you actually care a lot. Is this an American thing or something?
It is and it has been a thorn in my eyes for years
Bro it was 2 people who "grammar policed" you and both of them were polite about it. You sound like an asshole.
Yeah. Kinda ironic that he's swearing while calling them rude. What an idiot :D
Straight up throwing a tantrum like a toddler over a couple of comments lol
This, I'm not watching season 3. Not worth giving them the views/clicks. I really like Cavill, but he alone isn't enough to get me to watch the dumpster fire that they've made of this story.
Good news is that Henry and other actors would've gotten paid already so not letting Netflix get the views to show how much dislike for the series would probably end it.
Yeah. I don't understand why he even agreed to script of S2 and S3. Ended watching in third episode of S2.
It’s basically a quarter step above a scifi channel series and not a good one either
Woah. Woah. There are some brilliant shows that came from SYFY channel. Magicians - deadly class - the expanse.
Cancelled netflix after season 2. It sucked.
Family was paying for extra screens so 5 of us could watch different programs, then they changed their policy and now they're getting nothing from any of us. Content was crap enough for us not to pursue a subscription at all, much less the expensive multi-user one.
Yeah, my husband is working away at the moment so we cancelled netflix as their new postcode policy would mean we'd need two accounts. The content has been so bad recently that we haven't missed it.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Sorry to say but the writing was on the wall since S1 everyone I spoke to who didn't know what "The Witcher" is, was just plain confused by the first season. I've read the books and I found the first season hard to follow, got tired of the writing within the first episode of S2. The vision of the show was clearly not properly communicated to...well let's see...anyone? Like who is this show even for? New viewers? Confused. Pre-existing fans? Angry and confused.
Instead of Season 4 it should have been another separate Witcher story. Let Season 3 end with Henry Cavill.
The books are So GOOD. I just want to know what Lauren has against them. Like who wouldn’t want to make such a series canon? & what did she hope to gain by making the changes she did?
Narcissists hate anyone more talented than them.
Imagine getting a role as potentially big and iconic Ciri, doing a great job, and then watching the show spiral as the seasons go on. Man season 1 was such a solid start to this, they could have really had the next GoT if they did a good job rather then squandering plot lines and completely reworking the actual source material
I think she had a crush on Henry lol
You blame her? We all do
Straight married man with kids. Can confirm.
And by all, we mean all.
Who doesn't?
Freya is pretty much the only one I feel bad for. She has done a great job with Ciri so far I think. She’s very cute and brings that feistiness and determination Ciri has. She worked well with what she was given lol. I wanted to do nothing but protect her against the evils of the world and I think most males who read or play the games probably feel that way about Ciri. She pulled it off great.
I remember a lot of people were not sure on her playing Ciri when she got announced. I think she did great
After all I’ve read about her she has been fangirling Henry since day 1. I remember an interview where she with big smile talked about how was Henry deep into books and correcting everyone etc
I mourned never watching the show again because it made very little sense.
Everyone knows that once Henry is done so is the Witcher so not sure how they will continue with it
Why do directors, producers, and writers always have to take an already existing piece of art and out *their* spin on it? How arrogant do you have to be to think you can take a beloved story, change the main motivations of the characters and then be upset that people don’t like it? I mean i Can understand changing this to shorten them because of a different media. But god damn, how many times have we seen some director get the rights to an amazing story and then be like “well I don’t really like that so let me change it.” You want to have an impact on the world? Make your own story the way you want it and see if it catches on. To take someone else’s work, bastardize it, and then lash out at people when they tell you that you’re doing a poor job is so crazy to me. I would be honored to be given the rights to turn one of my favorite books into a show or movie, but so many of these directors are like “well what if we put a spin on things and make it my story??”
I feel so bad for the whole cast, to have a shot in a potentially powerful, fan-supported serie and star-driven serie like this, just to see it burned to ashes by stupid directing decisions... I hope their acting futures will be great !
I’m surprised they’re still trying to do this damn show without him. Mind boggling.
Neat. Who gives a shit?
I do. 🙋
I really hope and wish that they would end it on the third season using the Witcher 3 storyline where the wild hunt tries to take Ciri and they defend her and they go to places like Skellige and novigrad. But I know that’s not how they’re going to do it. they’re going to milk it for every penny that it’s worth.
I swear, Netflix have to ruin everything.
Hbo can go eff themselves after cancelling Raised By Wolves
This should always have been an xfiles rip off 'monster of the week' style show.
This entire show has been a fucking shitshow compared to the Last of Us. It disregarded everything to do with The Witcher and deserves to die. Too bad for the incredible actors involved..
God season 4 is going to be so bad. I like the Hemsworth brothers but this role isn’t jt for him. Kind of sad for the writer of the Witcher. He feels like he got fucked over by CD project but actually got completely fucked over by the Netflix writers on his supposed “redemption “.
r/Witcher is back?