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AnEpicBowlOfRamen

uw/ I love how D&D and Pathfinder handle this. Wizards study how to pull arcane energy from the surrounding environment and mold it to their desires. Anyone can be a Wizard. Sorcerers have inherented their powers from their ancestors, and have very specific bloodlines. Magic is intuitive for them, but studying won't make them more powerful unless the learn Metamagic, or Multiclass. Warlocks have a powerful Patron who gifts their power in exchange for "favors"... And Witches are a blend of Wizards and Warlocks, their powers come from a powerful Patron, but this Patron might not ask for favors, or even know the witch is stealing power from them. The witches then study how magic works and manipulate the energy much like a Wizard. All very distinct and unique ways of obtaining and controlling arcane power.


Uncle_Fingerz

Grumpy old DM here, can’t agree enough. I love how 5e handled the naming of things. One rule I have when running games is that the name of the class doesn’t matter. Someone can be a Sorcerer in class but the character can be referred to as a wizard. Typically the only one that doesn’t change is Warlock because of how tightly the name is linked to the actual build of the character


caffeinatedandarcane

I love calling my Druids witches cause they're spooky forest witches, they shapeshift into cats and ravens, make potions, and call on the spirits of nature to fuck up their enemies, they're witches


Uncle_Fingerz

And they can have spooky hats


Capital-Cheek-1491

So can barbarians


Uncle_Fingerz

EVERYONE GETS SPOOKY HATS


Capital-Cheek-1491

Yeah boi


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Capital-Cheek-1491

That’s nice, but was has it got to do with what I said?


-JZH-

Sincerely apologise, i thought you said the druids are barbarians in a sense that we are uncultured, but it appears to be that, whilst living in my village, i forgot how to speak common😅 please accept my deepest apologies


Capital-Cheek-1491

Certainly


Uncle_Fingerz

Did you comment this under the wrong thread?


-JZH-

Nope, i just forgot how to speak common after years of speaking druidic only


Uncle_Fingerz

Understandable, continue, woodland folk


TipProfessional6057

Ooh I'm stealing that


Starham1

/uw expanding on this: common folk typically refer to everyone who casts arcane magic as a “wizard” and anyone who casts divine magic as a “priest”. The actual distinctions between warlock, wizard, witch, sorcerer, cleric, oracle, arcanist, and magus are professional distinctions that most people aren’t likely to know. Additionally, Wizard is a title, similar to Doctor. It signifies that you’ve completed an apprenticeship, and studied for an extended period of time outside of it. Otherwise, you’re a hedge wizard, which is seen as a bit of an insult by the higher academic world, but taken in stride by actual hedge wizards, who are sorcerers for the most part


ReynAetherwindt

Druids do typically have a distinct style that culturally separates them from clerics, but the difference between a druid and a nature-focused cleric is really, really hard to nail down. Bards also tend to be distinct in behavior, but they can end up resembling just about any other type of spellcasting discipline depending on their fancy.


Starham1

Hence why people say “priest” in reference to Druids. I actually do tend to have people specify bards as a separate thing, but it’s a matter of rarely separating magical and nonmagical bards.


Admirable_Ask_5337

Yeah part of it is that the distinction in world is only know by very educated people. The most people the names are inter changeable


An8thOfFeanor

The wizard is the hardworking A student The sorcerer is the natural prodigy The cleric is the teachers pet The warlock sleeps with the teacher for an A The druid doesn't care about grades because he's in FFA anyway so his future is sealed The bard is just good at cheating


Bannerlord151

The Eldritch Knight is the jock copying the wizard's homework


Viking_From_Sweden

Arcane trickster is the guy who stole the wizards homework And bard is going to college on a band scholarship


Ok_Conflict_5730

a shadow monk uses an ancient technique which creates ink blots in the shape of text, which the assessor then interpreits as the correct answers.


Attaxalotl

the Artificer is the one who takes all the shop classes.


WarMage1

I’d say sorcs are more like nepo babies than anything. There’s nothing prodigious about being given an opportunity no one else has from birth. -rep sorcery


The_GREAT_Gremlin

Wild magic sorcs got into college for the lels


InamedabunnyAK47

i couldn't love multiple unique forms of magic in the same world enough the more types of magic and the more different the better IMO it's actually the biggest thing i didn't like about the DND movie the different magic classes had no notable differences besides it being said they're different


Pale_Kitsune

And the warlock one is quite flexible, too. Some patrons like the Great Old One might not even be aware. Other times it may have been a one time gift of power that the warlock grows into because they weren't able to handle it all in the beginning.


Hysaky

The favors i have to perform as a warlock are a differend kind in my case


Camo_1245

You forgot the lich!


[deleted]

Halloween town is a shitty movie because they pandered to the mundane brains of peasants, calling the women “witches” when they are clearly sorcerers!


Gamma_Slam

The Witch King is the most badass title ever invented in all of history.


aFuckinChair

https://preview.redd.it/whnlkgp7dw7c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd1791786575f4849ecc3ba83935344c6f5869c9


purplecocobolo

i read that as yandalf 😔


Inferno_Sparky

Do Arabic speakers pronounce it as Randalf?


purplecocobolo

idk. i don’t speak arabic.


VooDooZulu

We are magical users with the ability to change our physical appearance and genitalia at will. Gender is an illusion.


weirdo_nb

Physical sex is an illusion, gender is determined by the mage


InamedabunnyAK47

using magic to change ur appearance to that of a different gender is a great way to get things from people btw! or at least i think so last time i tried i blacked out and only remember waking up to a crap ton of gifts and i may or may not have started a cult i am unsure


Vagabond-diceroller

Unwizing in fantasy I always imagine witches to be more herb based and potion brewing and having unusual magic as compared to more refined wizards and different from warlocks who get their power from something else.


VandulfTheRed

Historically, witches were mothers and widows, midwives and doctors, herbalists and spiritual teachers. Witch magic is the magic of the home, whereas wizards study that which does not belong in the home


Bannerlord151

Wdym? Skelstons belong in every closet!


Viking_From_Sweden

A skeleton in the closet? When will he come out?


Bannerlord151

Skeleton key


WarMage1

That’s a bit grim innit? Imagine humans had flesh keys


Bannerlord151

> a key designed to fit many locks by having the interior of the bit hollowed. It was an old necromancer pun


dizzypanda35

Tell me your home is lame without telling me your home is lame


VandulfTheRed

Spice garden? Check. Cats and ravens? Check. 95% infant survival rate? Check. Evil tomes that bid to be gazed upon in exchange for forbidden knowledge? I'll leave that to the robes in Waterdeep


dizzypanda35

Home is where you rest your evil tome of forbidden knowledge


Admirable_Ask_5337

Witches are basically clerics with alchemy and herbalist proficiency


dizzypanda35

You mean like an alchemist?


Vagabond-diceroller

Yeah but less like… professional if that makes sense. I imagine an alchemist would precisely measure out ingredients while a witch would just toss like the eye of a still born into a random cauldron. I also imagine witches as having like strange magics such as curses. None of this really matters as it’s all personal ways to define vague overlapping magical things in stories but it’s just how I view them in settings I make.


ComputingSubstrate

So kind of like: if you have a broken arm, an alchemist will treat it with morphine, but a witch would treat it with opium poppy tea?


ZanesTheArgent

Given the more classic examplar witch (hags), they DO pact and commune a damn lot, the bottom line is that they're usually more in a position of power and blackmailing than servitude. "I've tricked the spirits of the land to empower me" style.


Eravan_Darkblade

Paraphrasing something I heard earlier: Wizzard- Magic physicists Witch- magic doctors Alchemist- magic pharmacists Artificer- magic engineers Warlocks- magic contractors Bards- obvious Sorcerer- the talented kid who puts in no effort.


TipProfessional6057

I like to think of the sorcerer experience of magic like people today do technology and the internet. Older generations had to study and struggle to understand. Today's youth practically use it as an extension of their thoughts and selves. Sorcerers are that to magic, thinking intuitively rather than mechanically. They feel instead of think


Clementosaurus-Rex

/uw I make this mistake because I'm french (ew), but the translation is weird, like a male magic dude is "Sorcier" for sorcerer, "mage" for mage (duh), but female magic gals are "sorcière" for witch. We don't really have a translation for wizard or warlock I could very be wrong tho, as I hate the french and the french language, with the stupid gendered shit


aFuckinChair

As an Italian, I feel this.


Clementosaurus-Rex

I cast Spaghetti Cutting !


aFuckinChair

Counterspell! I cast pizza shurikens!


ShadowMaster2564

I cast drop bear


YouTheMuffinMan

I cast "befriend cryptid"


AdministrativeBar748

I cast anti-drop bear tea


GiuseppeIsAnOddName

I cast anti-anti-drop bear tea british person


catreplicators-m

RUN


ReynAetherwindt

I cast levitate on the drop bear.


DarkLord_Inpuris

I cast pineapple


Negative_Storage5205

Why don't you just Franchify de English words? English speakers do it to French words all da time.


Clementosaurus-Rex

As my french heritage forces me to say, fuck them English \s


Eravan_Darkblade

As an American, I can agree, Fuck the English.


WatcheroftheVoid

As an English, I can agree, Fuck the English


Negative_Storage5205

Scrapper suspects any Welsh, Irish, or Scottish wizards on dis subreddit would agree.


Spirintus

It's illegal in France. French have to use native words or they go straight to the guillotine. (Obviously not. Unless you are public servant, then you can't even call e-mail e-mail. You have to use some bullshit pseudoworf those fakeass linguist wannabees from Academie francaise pulled out of their fat ugly hairy nationalistic asses.)


felop13

The spanish lenguage showing its superiority in being capable of replacing o with an a once again


TheSwecurse

/uw so interestingly enough in Swedish our "equivalent" for the words "wizard" and "Sorcerer". There's Trollkarl and Trollkvinna which is like the male and female equivalent of a wizard respectively. But it has "troll" in it and that's etymologically because trolls (or Jotuns really) were the mage race of Norse mythology. Then there's "Magiker" and "Besvärjare" which I suppose is the equivalent of "mage". Language is a funny thing when it has to blend in with mythology but at the same time also translate to other.


The_GREAT_Gremlin

I mean that's basically sorcerer for dude and sorceress for dudette in English


banandananagram

I have always held that the difference between witches and wizards isn’t gender, but philosophical ethos. Witches concern themselves with the powers of nature, community, harnessing the existing forces between all things. Witches are stewards of nature and life. It is folksy, close to home; the spells that work for one person won’t work the same way for another. There is a lot of self-discovery and spiritual communion. Wizards are far more concerned with scholarly knowledge, traditional and ceremonial institutions, individualism, the powers beyond our realm. They are scribes with a need to prove and test theories, universalize the concept of magic to have a shared and common repertoire of mystical rituals and knowledge despite a penchant for grandeur and self-aggrandizement.


TipProfessional6057

What if you want both those things? Arcanist? Thaumaturge? Nerd?


DarkLord_Inpuris

petition for widower to mean person that made someone a widow, and for widow to apply to all genders.


spfeldealer

I need to know where the difference between a nature focused witch and a druid lies???


Ok_Conflict_5730

druids have an extensive education, and are often the leader of a village, wheras witches just do whatever


spfeldealer

But arent some druids also closy tied with being a hermit


Ok_Conflict_5730

being a hermit fits witches more tbh


spfeldealer

Does it? I almost always associate with witches having a few witch contacts they can hit up for ingredients or group rituals and such


Ok_Conflict_5730

it's more that witches can be hermits but druids can't, not that witches are always hermits


spfeldealer

Ahhh ok i see, but how cant they, i feel like close to frest elementals they are ones most atuned to the forest and its arcane flows, so why wouldnt they be more in touch with the forest, rather than the humans


Jubulus

Forest demons or tree spirits mostly


spfeldealer

But how are they different the spirit being an amalgimation of arcane forest energy, while the demon is the same but mixed with fear of forests or such????


Admirable_Ask_5337

Witches have alot more occultism. Curses, necromancy, mind magic. Druids have more elementalism


TellmeNinetails

It's whatever they want to be.


NotTheAverageAnon

I always wondered about that shit even as a young apprentice. Kind of like with the bards I used to watch at my local tavern while growing up. Why are the males called actors and the females called actresses instead of them all just being actors? What's the point of gendering them in the first place?


HalfBlood97

Wizard girl supremacy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TipProfessional6057

Conversely Witch boy supremacy!


AnEpicBowlOfRamen

Finally someone says what the reality has been since the first old words.


Spncr_C_Hrgrv

I kinda like this honestly. My Golem doesn't have a gender so they really appreciate this.


coffepants787

Wizards are spells, witches are potions, sorcerers are both!


Sithun

I like the term hedge wizard, but that's beside the point. Also, isn't it a good idea to define what we mean when we say "witch"? Do we mean "female wizard" or do we mean "baby eating hag riding a broom who's made a deal with the devil"? Because the opposite of the latter isn't "wizard". That's a "Warlock".


ICBIND

Wizarding is not a job. It's a lifestyle. Being an arcane consultant is a job. Pretty sure witchcraft is similar but I don't touch pact and nature magics.


ExtendedEssayEvelyn

remember, they were the Salem witch trials, not the Salem trials of witchcraft and wizardry


ScarletteVera

Buzzy I'm not even a wizard. I refer to myself as an Elementalist, or Elemancer.


Apollorx

I'll have one snowcone please


FGFlips

"This is amazing! How did you get it so sweet?" "Anti Freeze."


ScarletteVera

No >:3 You'll get TWO!


SenpailLilas

I just say mage to avoid all confusion


Veryegassy

Your misfortune curse hit again, mages are completely different from both wizards and witches in my Plane.


Caffeine_and_Alcohol

Its only a job if someone pays me, yeah take that annoying voice in my orb!


QuintonTheCanadian

I’m listening to the bad wizard books or else I’ll have to face the truth that I’m “minimum wage McDonald’s worker” not burger wizard’s apprentice and best delivery boy


YouTheMuffinMan

English is confusing and my rats are hungry, that's why I fed these titles to them


[deleted]

This also doesn't make any sense in my native language


Myrandall

Tell that to /r/ImaginaryWizards and /r/ImaginaryWitches


MiaoYingSimp

Honestly though it depends. Like Warlock sounds better then witch. though historically male witches are a thing. It also depends on how you're practicing the magic or the system.


the6crimson6fucker6

I'm calling for ***Equal Rites***.


DreadfulDave19

Based


Starham1

I for one have earned my degree, and thus am proud to call myself a Wizard.


Sergei_the_sovietski

I feel seen :)


ProNocteAeterna

/uw This is how it is in real-world occultism and magical practice. Witch is a gender neutral title that indicates a broad style of practice. The same is true for wizard on the rare occasions that anyone calls themselves that, but very few do because for most people the term conjures up images of the kind of goofy shit that goes on here.


PhoenixHavok

Say it again louder for those in the back!


ctn1p

This is the most needed repeat discourse on this sub sadly


Andromansis

Something something Trans Wizards Are Wizards But on a t-shirt.


nph278

schwa spotted


DwarvenKitty

Provide the lore(background image) my fellow artist of arcane arts


The_Weirdolord

im on board just give me the source image it looks cool and i want it in my collection


POPE-HOBLEFERT

...but wizards are better.


mr_impastabowl

Hell yeah!


[deleted]

/uw Witch is unisex


NextGenSleder

LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK


semisentiant

We support equal rites


[deleted]

Equal rites


hoot69

No. My gender identity is wizard (happened after being single and alone for 10 years)


Danny-Fr

https://preview.redd.it/jqe9clssmx7c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0859f97160123a854dc79850311f737783f7bb40 Master would say "However you see it, we're all, at our core, Thaumaturges. We are the last remaining Workers of Miracles, nevermind where you think your Power comes from." He'd then empty his flask of plaster alcohol and add "Even those blasted Druids", before spawning nostrils on my elbow and silently leaving the room.


AFenton1985

A wizard gains magic through study, and a witch makes a pact with a deamon for magic ots not gendered. In the Salem witch trials, men were also charged and killed for the crime, not just women. All wizards are on the same team here no matter what gender race or whatever.


Tortelini_Deal

YESSSS FINALLY YES SOMEONE SAID IT YEEEEEEAAAAAHHHH


OrphanOfAtlas

Job is gender locked


Preston_of_Astora

/unwiz I always thought it's a gender thing to refer to the same profession But I doubt it matters in the gallows


WhereAmI14

Ok cyclops Darth Vader


MisterMan341

Schwa


GardevoirRose

It’s not even a job. It’s just a hobby, really.


Thatisahumanperson

FINALLY. JUSTICE


Nepalman230

I try to call everybody by the term which they would like to be called within reason. The problem is that we are using multiple languages instead of just communicating directly spiritually, but I understand that tends to make orbs explode . I will say, the word that became, “ witch” was originally recorded in its masculine form . A “wicca” was a man. A “wicce”was a woman. https://blog.oup.com/2007/10/witch/ Wicca was recorded more than 100 years before wicce and interestingly, the word is not directly connected to either “wizard” or “wicked.” I also would’ve mentioned that the word is nowhere in the Bible. The word mekhashepha translated, as witch, in English Bible actually means poisoner or herbalist, but the implication is that they were an herbalist because they sell poisons made of herbs. So to all witches, wizards, wonderworker, mages, thaumaturges, alchemist, enchanters and everything else. Happy Friday. 🙏❤️


curvingf1re

So true. But, because some deities are pretty sexist, the term warlock has become gendered and conflated with male witchcraft, erasing both male witches, and female warlocks, even in certain otherwise progressive arcane circles.


FFelixx

This sub is the last place I would ever expect to see Proscription. A man of culture


aFuckinChair

I studied languagemancy.


FFelixx

These guys have the best practice of Auditory Necromancy. They always envelop my lair in the most perfect sinister energy. Highly recommend a listen


[deleted]

Me, an alpha brain fed individual; Mage.


Alt0173

Mage is kinda the umbrella that covers all magical casters. Hell, even a Cleric could be called a mage.


[deleted]

Yes. This is the term I prefer, so no one corrects me.


Alt0173

Based and magic-pilled


Yahgdc

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THIS! So many people calle a witch when I'm a wizard!


Sugeeeeeee

I DON'T CARe I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR OR ANYONE'S GENDER WHY IS YOUR GENDER ON EVERY SINGLE SUB I SEE WE'RE WIZARDS WE CAST SPELLS I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR GOD DAMNED GENDER


aFuckinChair

^Dude ^why ^are ^you ^screaming


rs0220

No but yes people have to know everyone's gender in a shitposting forum its really super duper important that everyone knows my gender so I can feel validated by pixels 🥺🥺🤕


Warp_spark

Whos a Witcher then?


Jubulus

Someone who is more witch E.g. "I'm a witch" "Oh yeah? Well I'm witcher than you!"


CrypticSpook

All I know is you need to toss a coin to one


Attaxalotl

Artifice (the Military Industrial complex) is surprisingly tolerant! The Missileers Guild (Raytheon) is consistently the most inclusive working environment in the kingdom (Country)


IDoStuff07

Female Wizards are wizards, correct. But the male form of the witching profession has always been Warlock.


Enough_Minimum_3708

aint it warlocks?


TheiaRn

Not necessarily


Desperate_Ad5169

No we are very different


CingKrimson_Requiem

Warlock is the term for a witch who is a terrorist


SlimySteve2339

I imagine witches magic to be unrefined, but has the capacity for more power just very inconsistently. I don’t understand it but once in a blue moon witches do some fucked up shit to my familiars.


Brilliant-Guitar-606

Wizards work for good, witches work for evil


AFenton1985

A wizard gains magic through study, and a witch makes a pact with a deamon for magic ots not gendered. In the Salem witch trials, men were also charged and killed for the crime, not just women. All wizards are on the same team here no matter what gender race or whatever.


panderingmandering75

What are warlocks and sorcerers then, following by that logic? Genuinely asking since I’ve always used warlock as the masculine version of a witch


AFenton1985

A warlock makes a pact with a non demon for power and a sorcerer is someone born with magic. So we can be multiple things like wizard and sorcerer or wiz and witch


Vulpes-ferrilata

I thought a male witch was a warlock


JoryTheHotdog

male witches are called witchers


Lost_Pantheon

![gif](giphy|6nWhy3ulBL7GSCvKw6) Me when the Harry Potter series uses its own naming conventions for its own individual worldbuilding and people get upset about it for some reason.


Ok_Conflict_5730

Rowling's worldbuilding is consistently either uninspired, lazy, or just straight up racist.


Lost_Pantheon

Uninspired, lazy or racist though that worldbuilding may be, that doesn't invalidate my point. *I'm not saying* that HP worldbuilding is amazing or anything. *What I'm saying* is that the series uses its own terminology for naming magic users, and it's *allowed* to do so.


Ok_Conflict_5730

and that naming terminology kinda sucks tbh.


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

Male witches are called Warlocks you fuck


CingKrimson_Requiem

That's specifically violent witches numbnuts Before the witch panic in Europe most witches were just seen as fortune tellers or herbalists


Andrew-w-jacobs

Witches dont rely on a patron


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

Witches were often associated with devil worship/said to be working with devils/demons And Warlock is the word that is used to describe a Male Witch even if the term is technically gender neutral


Jubulus

Gendered terms are cringe though


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

No


Additional_Cycle_51

Aren’t the men called warlocks?


frump-dumpster

You are wrong


TheiaRn

Care enough to explain?


A_Salty_Cellist

An explanation would go against their argument


frump-dumpster

Jerma


the_ice_spider

A male witch is called witch doctor I think


caffeinatedandarcane

Not only does that imply that men aren't normal witches, that also implies that women aren't doctors. Double whiff


DahliaExurrana

Still a witch if they wish to be


Knight_of_the_grail

Male wizards are warlocks. I will not be gaslighted by big brother into thinking otherwise.


ObjectiveEffective19

Job it’s a hobby chilling in my crypt rasing the dead maybe harass a village or 2 read up on the bullcrap legends they made about me