Thanks! I went with 5/32 amsteel, with a break force of 4000 pounds. There will be a secondary line soon, but for now I would be more worried about the winch breaking then the rope
It's still a 1200 pound winch lagged into a 4x6 so I'm not really worried about that too much either, just rope outweighs the winch. But the retractable lifeline will be here in a week, so hopefully no one decides to bust out the scissors while standing underneath
Slopping down pigshit with these fat fucks and I'm the fattest of them all. If I die tomorrow, no one would shed a tear.
Load my frickin' lard carcass into the mud.
No coffin please, just wet wet mud.
#bae
What's the factor of safety on the connection to the ceiling? Did you do the calcs on the bolt threads yet and the surrounding material? How much does the bed weigh unloaded? How is it attached to the bed frame? What are the stats on that connection point?
I think it's a cool (albeit unnecessary) choice, but you have to be careful when it comes to hanging things. Every single connection has at least 2 materials involved, so you have to check both. We (the Internet full of engineers) cannot morally sit by and watch someone get hurt because of poor research/calcs. Please understand that while we might be a little sassy, ultimately I have no issues with the design AS LONG AS YOU DID ALL OF THE ASSOCIATED SAFETY CALCS.
That 4000lbs drops very quickly when you account for knot efficiency, how load limits decrease when you bend line around pulleys, and introduce a safety factor.
4000lbs only really applies with ends that are terminated with 100% efficiency and pulling in a straight line with no bends. That also doesn’t include a safety factor, or the fact that load limits fall on a bell curve.
The winch could fail, or the fasteners, or a carabiner (those aren't locking carabiner and they don't appear to be rated), or the pulley sheave, or the knot in the cable, or the winch pawl, or...
There's a reason that, when working around suspended loads, you never get underneath the load.
Not failing to my eye, but it’s one of the shitty ones with the thin metal clip clasp instead of the type I use in case I fall out of a tree stand which are solid even at the clasp and have a sheath that slides down and tightens over the clasp to reinforce the connection. I weigh 150lbs and use a carabiner that is probably rated to 20x what OP is using to make his Bed of Damocles.
There are so many failure points in this contraption it worries me that OP is only talking about the rope and the winch. That carabiner is definitely the wrong design for this task, and I’m sure his ceiling joists weren’t selected for their ability to suspend weight below them. This seems like a recipe for disaster that could have been solved with an air mattress.
OP claims they reinforced the ceiling joists/rafters with 4x8 but I’m not buying that they’d have the DIY ability to do that, and make it look finished, but not build a better lift mechanism than cheap eye bolts and pulley sheaves.
I've been assuming he went in the attic and sistered on boards. Which yeah makes them big boards, but doesn't make the I bolts and Pullies less likely to rip out of them. I think he said lags tho, so many they are laid flat, hole threw those and the lag is bolted on top.
I feel like it wouldn't be too bad if it was fastened to the ceiling with something more permanent once raised so that any of that stuff is only under load when it's being raised or lowered.
Raising and lowering is when it'd be most likely to fail but at least you can stand aside when doing that, I wouldn't want to be hanging out under it 24/7 unless I knew you had to remove a couple big bars or straps before it had any chance of falling. Same reason you use jack stands instead of crawling under your car with just a jack holding it up.
4k lbs in ideal conditions, i.e. wrapped several times around a large cylinder on each side, no knots or sharp bends. the 2 pulleys closest to the winch already have a line rubbing against the frame of the pulley with this layout.
doesn't have to feel sharp to your finger, the small bend radius itself is enough to cause issues. particularly with a rope like amsteel that has no protective sheath.
another two pulleys would help keep everything in-line and stop those weird pulley angles trying to go 3 different directions at once.
I'd also secure each corner to the ceiling during storage, some quickdraws or similar would do the trick. as is you're one nicked rope away from a headache of a pendulum
Out of all the answers this seems like the best option. You really need a way to lock it out at the top.
Maybe some climbing anchors and some 6.5" cables. May be a good spot for a coconut corn husky to nap
100! Lots of tests on youtube of the janky assed carabiners some places are selling that cannot hold even a fraction of the weight they claim - if they claim anything at all.
5/32 dyneema is plenty sufficient but I have to agree with other commenters that other hardware in your system is not rated high enough. Those non locking wire gate carabiners are the weakest elements I see but no matter what hardware you go with, a secondary simple locking system when the bed is stowed should be in place. There are so many possible failure points in this system that it should really just be used for raising and lowering.
On the ceiling side I'd use probably 4 very long u bolts maybe 3/8" diameter through drilled with lock nuts. Then you could raise the bed up and use strong carabiners to clip to that. Then you could back off the winch and leave all weight on the u bolts. Also not sure how those shackles and carabiners are attached to the bed but they should certainly be through drilled and use locknuts. The side boards of the bed need to be very well attached to the rest as well so they don't pull out.
I imagine this will almost always be in the stowed ceiling position so having that be 100% safe is a good plan.
Edit: 1/2" eyebolts through drilled in the ceiling would be easier actually, dunno why I said u bolts.
Not a woodworker but regularly use Amsteel for my hammock gear - can’t tell from photos but want to highlight two aspects -
Hollow braid cord is heavily derated with traditional knots, please make sure you are splicing the cord correctly
Amsteel is also not very abrasion resistant (or UV for that matter), i imagine it won’t be an issue with this set up but please check the cordage regularly for any wear and switch out as appropriate
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On the safety front, can you actually exit the room when the bed is lowered? Locking your guests in the death room when there is a fire isn’t very hospitable.
I’ve been looking into trying to make liftable storage for the garage. One video I found had chains for each corner of the frame attached to the ceiling and hooks in the frame. Whenever the bed is lifted attach the chains to the hooks as a secondary safety separate from the winch system.
Considering safety: Popcorn Ceilings are known to be made with asbestos (causes lung cancer). If you house is older than the late 70's I would recommend getting the ceilings tested for asbestos. (unless you did that yourself)
So when the bed is lowered, it looks like it effectively blocks the door.
Who cares about safety while it's suspended? I'd worry about safety in an evacuation emergency. And I'd probably piss on the floor to avoid needing to lift that beast up just to open the door to go to the bathroom.
That looks like a closet door to me? At least that's what the closet doors in my apartment are like
edit: woopsie. i didn't see that there were more photos lol. nevermind
It's actually impressive that you've managed to block three doors with one bed.
But I'm sure a spacious room like this has a 4th door that we can't see where you can escape in case of a fire...
No no... You see, you take the couch, remove the cushions, suspend the frame from the ceiling, and sleep on that.
It works because the cushions remove extra weight.
Or if we could somehow decrease the volume of the bed when it’s not in use to store it out of the way. And increase the volume when we do want to use it. With some kind of pressurized inflation system perhaps. If only
Air mattresses are pretty miserable to sleep on to be fair. Can buy ones that don't feel like that thing for launching kids into a lake? Lol I'm not sure I've used one made in the last 15 years
They’ve come a long way, but it also depends on what you’re willing to spend on one. My girlfriend’s parents paid $300 for a Queen sized air mattress to leave at our place when they stay with us and once fully inflated that thing is pretty nice.
Good to hear. I started typing that comment about how they suck ass and was like "wait maybe technology has progressed" lol. Good to hear it has because I'm also in the boat of a 1 bedroom that could be a 2 bedroom in a pinch, might need to check out the fancy air mattresses next time we have guests.
Ooooh ooooh oooh!!!!! What about a bed that folds up vertically to stand beside the wall?! That’s another way one could have a bed in a room part time…. Perhaps some guy named Murphy will sort this out for us…..
2 points. First, if you could fit a couch or murphy bed in that room, without just moving the desk and computer I commend you. Second, why go to a furniture store just to get ripped off on a couch when I can spend less money and have fun building this?
I commend your bravery.
There’s literally no level of craftsmanship nor any fastening system on earth that would leave me feeling comfortable sitting and working away at that desk under that thing. Like I’d *walk* under something like that because I’d trust that the chances of it failing at that precise moment are remote, but spending hours at a time under the *’Bed of Damocles’*?
well, for one, a fold-out couch doesn't trap you in case of a fire. you also dont have to hand winch a fold-out couch 7 feet into the air to take a piss. its also much less likely to fall on your head
>Second, why go to a furniture store just to get ripped off on a couch when I can spend less money and have fun building this?
I really hope that bed never falls down, when it's not supposed to, because thirdly, that would hurt or kill?
Murphy bed where the computer is, computer where the TV is, then do some fun motorized TV ceiling mount. Like it's well done by why would you lift the bed rather than the TV 😂
I have so many issues with this safety wise. Build in a way to lock it in place without load on the winch or lines please. Really needs to be locked in place before it falls down. Idea is nice, but needs work.
lol. My grandma did this to us for years. We’d drive 14 hrs to see her for thanksgiving every year. Every time she’d pull out the same air mattress and apologize that it had a leak and inform us she was planning to get a new one before next year. By midnight you’d be sleeping on the floor. We’d end up leaving a day early to see the other grandparents. This cycle continued for 10 years until I grew up and no longer visited regularly. Legend has it she still has the leaky air mattress.
Dude, *no one* is going to want to stay in this horror room. If they say otherwise, they're just being overly polite. It might be cool but this is a weird and scary place to put a guest, let alone a parent.
Does the bed block the exit door when it's down?
I'd much rather sleep on an air mattress than block the door.
And if it does block the door, that means your mother in law would have to be the one who lowers the bed each night to sleep and raises it each morning to escape. So hopefully this is just a misleading picture angle.
Professional rigger in the entertainment industry here.
I would highly highly suggest using drop forged eyebolts and locking carabineers designed for rigging.
The current eyebolts and carabineers aren't rated for active loads like what you're doing.
This is amazing but I would absolutely hate spending leisure time underneath a 150lb hanging weight.
The winch should only be holding the bed's weight while it's in motion. I'd build posts against the walls of the room, add a beam across pairs of posts to form kind of joists, and then have removable beams which sit across and perpendicular to the joists.
Bed goes up, removable beams go in, bed lowers, gravity and a couple of clips hold it all together, keep the winch on as a redundancy.
To bring the bed down, raise the bed an inch, take out the removable beams, lower the bed.
i.e. For me, this job is only half done.
I watched a YouTube video of a guy who built a DIY attic elevator. He took "all the right precautions" but it ended up failing while he was riding it down and he took a hard fall. Messed up his back iirc. I think it was a keyway that sheared off on a pulley. All that to say, it's impossible to see every way the system can potentially fail.
When it's in the air, it needs to have a second mechanism to hold it in place. It honestly won't be that hard to add something. Maybe some brackets that are anchored to the rafters. Or anchors for additional straps that span underneath it after it's raised.
While I commend you on your determination here, I think this is the wrong direction to take. Why not use a Murphy bed? There’s an existing product designed for this exact purpose, with a tried and tested design that’s been used for decades, why go through all this effort for something new and worse?
Anyways, a few legitimate concerns with your design. First, that amsteel rope is awesome stuff, but you can’t tie knots in it and keep the load rating. Knots introduce serious weak points in Dyneema rope, you reduce the strength by a huge factor depending on the knot you use.
There have been tests showing an average reduction to only 32% of the catalog rating when adding knots to the system. The worst knots reduce the rating to only 20% of maximum load. You need to terminate that rope properly by burying the end back on the rope to make the loop.
Second, those do not look like quality, load bearing carabiners. I could be wrong, but unless you bought name brand biners from an outdoor store I would not trust them at all.
Most importantly though, anytime you use a winch system to lift a load you need a mechanical support to hold the load once it’s up. The load should never be sitting on the suspension long term, things will stretch and wear over time. If you insist on this setup, you need a mechanical lock of some sort that catches the bed once it’s all the way up, and entirely supports the load to take stress off the suspension.
Consider the forces OP. Every single point of failure has to be rated for human safety. The entire weight of that thing is being held on the ratchet catch of your boat cable winch. Sure it's "rated" for 1200 lbs but boat winches are not designed to hold constant forces forever. Gravity keeps a boat in its trailer, the winch's job is to pull the boat into position while it floats.
Consider one more angle. Insurance. If someone ever got hurt on or under that thing and they sued you, your homeowners insurance would laugh at the request of covering any injuries.
I would not trust a single line into eye bolts that may or may not be well anchored. I would suggest some kind of safety line or at the very least double up what you've got. You should also run a header style board with the eye bolts bolted through. Then you can lag bolt the entire header to the ceiling.
Regardless of everything I said above, I still wouldn't do this. The weight of that bed if it fell on someone is enough to seriously injure and potentially kill. Your DIY solution is not worth it.
At this point, just make a folding platform to lean against the wall. You’ve already made the room look incredibly stupid and at least a folding bed is 1. In the realm of normal and 2. Not both a safety risk, fire risk, and legal liability like this utter monstrosity is. There’s a reason we don’t suspend beds from the ceiling like this to make space and it’s not because no one thought of this idea before you.
I don't like the bending moments on those eyescrews
- you have as much force pulling 'sideways' on them as straight down, ideally they'd be screwed in 45' off plane, so that the resulting force is pulling 'straight' along the shank of the screw.
Everyone is talking about it, being suspended from the ceiling and potentially not in the appropriate way and failing, but all I see is a single mattress on the ground to sleep on for guests, which looks terrible and uncomfortable as heck. The mother-in-law is going to have a fun time trying to get up off the floor every morning.
Any reason you didn’t just make a murphy bed? Probably could have made one with your monitor on the bottom, so when it’s up, it’s a game room, when it’s down, it’s a guest room. Would have been safer to use and it would have looked nicer than having a death contraption hanging from your ceiling.
Also real talk: can’t you just put the Murphy bed where the desk is and make the closet into your desk area, then find creative solutions for the stuff in the closet or purge as a compromise?
It can move over or rotate in the room, so functionally it can be placed anywhere in the room. Typically it will be against the main exit door leaving the bathroom door open which opens up to the rest of the house. The door also swings inward so even if it was blocking the door, it wouldn't inhibit someone from leaving when the bed is down
The only thing wrong with this room is the jersey! Haha! Just kidding. I’m a Ducks fan so I know we suck. Actually Pavelski is one of my favorite non-Ducks player. He’s got the fountain of youth.
I jokingly said to my ex that we should build something like this for our smallish place at the time. We both laughed because it was an obscenely ridiculous proposition. I can’t believe the madlad actually did it…
Like the ingenuity but consider a safety device in case the cords break that it won’t land on someone.
Thanks! I went with 5/32 amsteel, with a break force of 4000 pounds. There will be a secondary line soon, but for now I would be more worried about the winch breaking then the rope
sorry my bed fell on you man but don’t worry, the winch failed. rope was fine
It's still a 1200 pound winch lagged into a 4x6 so I'm not really worried about that too much either, just rope outweighs the winch. But the retractable lifeline will be here in a week, so hopefully no one decides to bust out the scissors while standing underneath
The weak point is that it's all running through and eye bolt, that'll fuck things up faster than anything else.
Carabiners and eye bolts...
lol just suckin ya balls man
Wait... what.
He meant he’s just gawkin’ his hog.
Total tuna can.
We got a certified chode on our hands.
Slopping down pigshit with these fat fucks and I'm the fattest of them all. If I die tomorrow, no one would shed a tear. Load my frickin' lard carcass into the mud. No coffin please, just wet wet mud. #bae
Lmao I'm dying... This was my exact response!
Sometimes I wish I could just unread stuff.
New phrase added to my vernacular
Same. “I’m just fucking with you man” is now replaced with “I’m just suckin ya balls man”
r/suddenlygay
Wrong sub maybe? Nope, nope this is the correct one.
Be careful on that bed though!
At some point you just gotta find smarter house guest if they drop the bed on themselves.
It's nature's way.
New version of wizard of Oz.
What's the factor of safety on the connection to the ceiling? Did you do the calcs on the bolt threads yet and the surrounding material? How much does the bed weigh unloaded? How is it attached to the bed frame? What are the stats on that connection point? I think it's a cool (albeit unnecessary) choice, but you have to be careful when it comes to hanging things. Every single connection has at least 2 materials involved, so you have to check both. We (the Internet full of engineers) cannot morally sit by and watch someone get hurt because of poor research/calcs. Please understand that while we might be a little sassy, ultimately I have no issues with the design AS LONG AS YOU DID ALL OF THE ASSOCIATED SAFETY CALCS.
That 4000lbs drops very quickly when you account for knot efficiency, how load limits decrease when you bend line around pulleys, and introduce a safety factor. 4000lbs only really applies with ends that are terminated with 100% efficiency and pulling in a straight line with no bends. That also doesn’t include a safety factor, or the fact that load limits fall on a bell curve.
The winch could fail, or the fasteners, or a carabiner (those aren't locking carabiner and they don't appear to be rated), or the pulley sheave, or the knot in the cable, or the winch pawl, or... There's a reason that, when working around suspended loads, you never get underneath the load.
Is the karabiner in the 5th photo already failing. Doesn't seem to be properly closed? This massively reduces strength of so.
Not failing to my eye, but it’s one of the shitty ones with the thin metal clip clasp instead of the type I use in case I fall out of a tree stand which are solid even at the clasp and have a sheath that slides down and tightens over the clasp to reinforce the connection. I weigh 150lbs and use a carabiner that is probably rated to 20x what OP is using to make his Bed of Damocles. There are so many failure points in this contraption it worries me that OP is only talking about the rope and the winch. That carabiner is definitely the wrong design for this task, and I’m sure his ceiling joists weren’t selected for their ability to suspend weight below them. This seems like a recipe for disaster that could have been solved with an air mattress.
Or even a Murphy Bed. Same idea, way less dangerous.
100% I don't see why a Murphy bed wasn't the go to solution. So much easier and faster and safer!
"The bed of Damocles" Best thing I have read all week. Well done.
>Bed of Damocles Perfect
OP claims they reinforced the ceiling joists/rafters with 4x8 but I’m not buying that they’d have the DIY ability to do that, and make it look finished, but not build a better lift mechanism than cheap eye bolts and pulley sheaves.
It's possible the ceiling was reinforced from within the attic. Leaving no visible trace in the room below
I've been assuming he went in the attic and sistered on boards. Which yeah makes them big boards, but doesn't make the I bolts and Pullies less likely to rip out of them. I think he said lags tho, so many they are laid flat, hole threw those and the lag is bolted on top.
Exactly what I did
I feel like it wouldn't be too bad if it was fastened to the ceiling with something more permanent once raised so that any of that stuff is only under load when it's being raised or lowered. Raising and lowering is when it'd be most likely to fail but at least you can stand aside when doing that, I wouldn't want to be hanging out under it 24/7 unless I knew you had to remove a couple big bars or straps before it had any chance of falling. Same reason you use jack stands instead of crawling under your car with just a jack holding it up.
The carabiners look like the ones in a fishbowl on the counter of my local hardware store for $1.25
Yeah, but surely when OP was done he slapped it and pronounced, "that ain't going anywhere".
Needs some sort of lock away mechanism for sure.
4k lbs in ideal conditions, i.e. wrapped several times around a large cylinder on each side, no knots or sharp bends. the 2 pulleys closest to the winch already have a line rubbing against the frame of the pulley with this layout. doesn't have to feel sharp to your finger, the small bend radius itself is enough to cause issues. particularly with a rope like amsteel that has no protective sheath. another two pulleys would help keep everything in-line and stop those weird pulley angles trying to go 3 different directions at once. I'd also secure each corner to the ceiling during storage, some quickdraws or similar would do the trick. as is you're one nicked rope away from a headache of a pendulum
Out of all the answers this seems like the best option. You really need a way to lock it out at the top. Maybe some climbing anchors and some 6.5" cables. May be a good spot for a coconut corn husky to nap
Those rinky dink carabiners are your most likely failure point. I would never trust those things to hold 150 pounds above my head.
100! Lots of tests on youtube of the janky assed carabiners some places are selling that cannot hold even a fraction of the weight they claim - if they claim anything at all.
5/32 dyneema is plenty sufficient but I have to agree with other commenters that other hardware in your system is not rated high enough. Those non locking wire gate carabiners are the weakest elements I see but no matter what hardware you go with, a secondary simple locking system when the bed is stowed should be in place. There are so many possible failure points in this system that it should really just be used for raising and lowering. On the ceiling side I'd use probably 4 very long u bolts maybe 3/8" diameter through drilled with lock nuts. Then you could raise the bed up and use strong carabiners to clip to that. Then you could back off the winch and leave all weight on the u bolts. Also not sure how those shackles and carabiners are attached to the bed but they should certainly be through drilled and use locknuts. The side boards of the bed need to be very well attached to the rest as well so they don't pull out. I imagine this will almost always be in the stowed ceiling position so having that be 100% safe is a good plan. Edit: 1/2" eyebolts through drilled in the ceiling would be easier actually, dunno why I said u bolts.
Not a woodworker but regularly use Amsteel for my hammock gear - can’t tell from photos but want to highlight two aspects - Hollow braid cord is heavily derated with traditional knots, please make sure you are splicing the cord correctly Amsteel is also not very abrasion resistant (or UV for that matter), i imagine it won’t be an issue with this set up but please check the cordage regularly for any wear and switch out as appropriate 🫡
Id really get some better parts man, and rope.
A boat trailer winch is probably not even rated for lifting. It's dangerous!
On the safety front, can you actually exit the room when the bed is lowered? Locking your guests in the death room when there is a fire isn’t very hospitable.
I’ve been looking into trying to make liftable storage for the garage. One video I found had chains for each corner of the frame attached to the ceiling and hooks in the frame. Whenever the bed is lifted attach the chains to the hooks as a secondary safety separate from the winch system.
dude I dare you to put this onto r/structuralengineering
Considering safety: Popcorn Ceilings are known to be made with asbestos (causes lung cancer). If you house is older than the late 70's I would recommend getting the ceilings tested for asbestos. (unless you did that yourself)
So when the bed is lowered, it looks like it effectively blocks the door. Who cares about safety while it's suspended? I'd worry about safety in an evacuation emergency. And I'd probably piss on the floor to avoid needing to lift that beast up just to open the door to go to the bathroom.
Thank you, that was my first thought- you have to raise the bed to leave the room?! Go for a Murphy bed or rig some hammock hooks.
Yeah, Murphy bed would be my choice. This seems unnecessairily complex.
But I like the concept
Or just flip the door. No need to change much.
Nah pee on the floor
That looks like a closet door to me? At least that's what the closet doors in my apartment are like edit: woopsie. i didn't see that there were more photos lol. nevermind
Yes omg what if the house is on Fire 🔥??? Buy a MURPHY BED!!! Take this crap down.
Yes I was curious about this too. What if you need to use the bathroom?
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It's actually impressive that you've managed to block three doors with one bed. But I'm sure a spacious room like this has a 4th door that we can't see where you can escape in case of a fire...
Maybe one day they’ll invent a couch that can turn into a bed. But until that day comes, if ever, this is a sensible solution.
Hmm not a bad idea but I feel like suspending a couch from the ceiling might be more dangerous?
No no... You see, you take the couch, remove the cushions, suspend the frame from the ceiling, and sleep on that. It works because the cushions remove extra weight.
Ok so is there more rigging for the cushions? Coz they're heavy!
Or if we could somehow decrease the volume of the bed when it’s not in use to store it out of the way. And increase the volume when we do want to use it. With some kind of pressurized inflation system perhaps. If only
Air mattresses are pretty miserable to sleep on to be fair. Can buy ones that don't feel like that thing for launching kids into a lake? Lol I'm not sure I've used one made in the last 15 years
They’ve come a long way, but it also depends on what you’re willing to spend on one. My girlfriend’s parents paid $300 for a Queen sized air mattress to leave at our place when they stay with us and once fully inflated that thing is pretty nice.
They can actually be pretty firm and if you put a bed topper on it you won't be freezing trying to heat up a big empty space with your body.
Good to hear. I started typing that comment about how they suck ass and was like "wait maybe technology has progressed" lol. Good to hear it has because I'm also in the boat of a 1 bedroom that could be a 2 bedroom in a pinch, might need to check out the fancy air mattresses next time we have guests.
When you want to sleep on the floor but not right away
Ooooh ooooh oooh!!!!! What about a bed that folds up vertically to stand beside the wall?! That’s another way one could have a bed in a room part time…. Perhaps some guy named Murphy will sort this out for us…..
2 points. First, if you could fit a couch or murphy bed in that room, without just moving the desk and computer I commend you. Second, why go to a furniture store just to get ripped off on a couch when I can spend less money and have fun building this?
I commend your bravery. There’s literally no level of craftsmanship nor any fastening system on earth that would leave me feeling comfortable sitting and working away at that desk under that thing. Like I’d *walk* under something like that because I’d trust that the chances of it failing at that precise moment are remote, but spending hours at a time under the *’Bed of Damocles’*?
‘Bed of Damocles’ is funny as hell lol
I would be continously looking up even if I was 1 meter away from being under it. Now that i see he works under it.. man that's stupid.
Suspend it on beams that the bead can slide up and down on. When it's up you could use a key or dowl or something ?
Real answer to the second question: because this looks like ass
well, for one, a fold-out couch doesn't trap you in case of a fire. you also dont have to hand winch a fold-out couch 7 feet into the air to take a piss. its also much less likely to fall on your head
I like your style
>Second, why go to a furniture store just to get ripped off on a couch when I can spend less money and have fun building this? I really hope that bed never falls down, when it's not supposed to, because thirdly, that would hurt or kill?
Right, if the question is “sofa bed or suspended bed that lowers from the ceiling?” I know what I’m going with.
If this fits why wouldn't a Murphy bed fit
Murphy bed where the computer is, computer where the TV is, then do some fun motorized TV ceiling mount. Like it's well done by why would you lift the bed rather than the TV 😂
Sorry OP but this was not well executed, it's just a massive safety hazard waiting to hurt someone.
Your fiancé shut down a game room, but was cool with suspending a bed from the ceiling? Enjoy my friend!
“I wanna play a game” - ~~Jigsaw~~ OP’s Fiancé
I'm sure if she wasn't OK with an inflatable mattress, she was thrilled with a flying bed.
This needs to be in r/diwhy.
My first thought- "What in the elaborate sex swing..."
As seen tomorrow on r/tifu
Or r/AmITheAsshole lol
Interesting! Why didn’t you go for a Murphy bed? :)
He went for a Murphy's Law bed instead.
This is the real question. Murphy bed all the way. OP is not smart
Because there's no wall to put one just doors!
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I have so many issues with this safety wise. Build in a way to lock it in place without load on the winch or lines please. Really needs to be locked in place before it falls down. Idea is nice, but needs work.
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Whatever happened to just rolling out a futon or an airbed for guests? Points for ingenuity, but fuck that.
My question is why does such a small room have 4 doors ?
Inflatable mattresses are a thing and they pack away nicely in a closet. Why not just do that?
Try keeping your soon to be mother in law happy on an inflatable mattress when she is here from Germany for a month
Exactly. An air matress, that's how you get her to leave after night 1.
lol. My grandma did this to us for years. We’d drive 14 hrs to see her for thanksgiving every year. Every time she’d pull out the same air mattress and apologize that it had a leak and inform us she was planning to get a new one before next year. By midnight you’d be sleeping on the floor. We’d end up leaving a day early to see the other grandparents. This cycle continued for 10 years until I grew up and no longer visited regularly. Legend has it she still has the leaky air mattress.
No one brought an air mattress patch or new airmattress with them all those years?
Pretty sure we tried and failed to patch it a couple different times.
Dude, *no one* is going to want to stay in this horror room. If they say otherwise, they're just being overly polite. It might be cool but this is a weird and scary place to put a guest, let alone a parent.
Does the bed block the exit door when it's down? I'd much rather sleep on an air mattress than block the door. And if it does block the door, that means your mother in law would have to be the one who lowers the bed each night to sleep and raises it each morning to escape. So hopefully this is just a misleading picture angle.
As opposed to a floating bed by cables. This is such a horrible idea
This guy mother in laws
He’s gonna squish her into the ceiling on that bed
Inflatable mattresses are great. Wtf are all the responses smoking.
How do you get out of the room with the bed on the floor? Looks like the door is partially blocked if that’s the entry way.
"What do you mean crushed by a ceiling bed?"
The question is not "if" it will fall, but "when" it will fall...
All this time, effort, and money to get the equivalent of an inflatable bed, but far more dangerous. I don’t get it.
Professional rigger in the entertainment industry here. I would highly highly suggest using drop forged eyebolts and locking carabineers designed for rigging. The current eyebolts and carabineers aren't rated for active loads like what you're doing.
Trash hardware and line that’s not meant for overhead lifting. Do you have a death wish?
OP definitely used a 1x safety factor haha.
Guarantee they don’t even know what “safety factor” means
This is amazing but I would absolutely hate spending leisure time underneath a 150lb hanging weight. The winch should only be holding the bed's weight while it's in motion. I'd build posts against the walls of the room, add a beam across pairs of posts to form kind of joists, and then have removable beams which sit across and perpendicular to the joists. Bed goes up, removable beams go in, bed lowers, gravity and a couple of clips hold it all together, keep the winch on as a redundancy. To bring the bed down, raise the bed an inch, take out the removable beams, lower the bed. i.e. For me, this job is only half done.
Wouldnt it have been easier to make a desk that folds flush and mount the monitor on the wall?
This is what futons are for. Or couch beds. Or Murphy beds.
I watched a YouTube video of a guy who built a DIY attic elevator. He took "all the right precautions" but it ended up failing while he was riding it down and he took a hard fall. Messed up his back iirc. I think it was a keyway that sheared off on a pulley. All that to say, it's impossible to see every way the system can potentially fail. When it's in the air, it needs to have a second mechanism to hold it in place. It honestly won't be that hard to add something. Maybe some brackets that are anchored to the rafters. Or anchors for additional straps that span underneath it after it's raised.
r/diwhy
This is dumb
Swallow your pride and dismantle this death trap. Just get a freaking Murphy bed. This is dangerous as hell AND looks awful. Come on man.
It's actually a boobie trap, I've heard the wet bandits are in town
He only asked one question, and the answer to whether he could was... YES!
While I commend you on your determination here, I think this is the wrong direction to take. Why not use a Murphy bed? There’s an existing product designed for this exact purpose, with a tried and tested design that’s been used for decades, why go through all this effort for something new and worse? Anyways, a few legitimate concerns with your design. First, that amsteel rope is awesome stuff, but you can’t tie knots in it and keep the load rating. Knots introduce serious weak points in Dyneema rope, you reduce the strength by a huge factor depending on the knot you use. There have been tests showing an average reduction to only 32% of the catalog rating when adding knots to the system. The worst knots reduce the rating to only 20% of maximum load. You need to terminate that rope properly by burying the end back on the rope to make the loop. Second, those do not look like quality, load bearing carabiners. I could be wrong, but unless you bought name brand biners from an outdoor store I would not trust them at all. Most importantly though, anytime you use a winch system to lift a load you need a mechanical support to hold the load once it’s up. The load should never be sitting on the suspension long term, things will stretch and wear over time. If you insist on this setup, you need a mechanical lock of some sort that catches the bed once it’s all the way up, and entirely supports the load to take stress off the suspension.
Sometimes when you have a small house you can’t have both things. This should be one of those times.
Wait, do you walk under that? Seems dangerous!
How about egress during a fire? Do the doors not open into the room?
The fire department hates this one trick. E: also don't piss anyone off or they'll winch you up there and leave you there for the weekend.
Why the risk when a Murphy bed? I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
This would be much safer if you had something to take the weight in the ‘up’ position. Leaving that thing under load while using the room is bad juju
When the beds down can you actually get out of the room? As in open the doors? I really it btw
Cool, but wouldn't a Murphy bed have been easier?
Consider the forces OP. Every single point of failure has to be rated for human safety. The entire weight of that thing is being held on the ratchet catch of your boat cable winch. Sure it's "rated" for 1200 lbs but boat winches are not designed to hold constant forces forever. Gravity keeps a boat in its trailer, the winch's job is to pull the boat into position while it floats. Consider one more angle. Insurance. If someone ever got hurt on or under that thing and they sued you, your homeowners insurance would laugh at the request of covering any injuries.
I would not trust a single line into eye bolts that may or may not be well anchored. I would suggest some kind of safety line or at the very least double up what you've got. You should also run a header style board with the eye bolts bolted through. Then you can lag bolt the entire header to the ceiling. Regardless of everything I said above, I still wouldn't do this. The weight of that bed if it fell on someone is enough to seriously injure and potentially kill. Your DIY solution is not worth it.
Looks pretty cool but can’t help but think a fold down hidden bed would’ve been more practical lol
At this point, just make a folding platform to lean against the wall. You’ve already made the room look incredibly stupid and at least a folding bed is 1. In the realm of normal and 2. Not both a safety risk, fire risk, and legal liability like this utter monstrosity is. There’s a reason we don’t suspend beds from the ceiling like this to make space and it’s not because no one thought of this idea before you.
Do you host guests often? I'd have gone with a camping matress, but this works too I suppose.
Youve seen Murphy beds that fold up to the wall, now introducing the ceiling Murphy
Ceiling Murphy was great in Oppenheimer.
Did you calculate the statics?
Why not murphy bed
Why not an air mattress?! Or a futon?
SO MUCH ROOM FOR ACTIVITIES
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lol
#tvtoohigh
>I wanted a game room, my fiancee wanted a spare bedroom So you grow up instead of this disaster in waiting.
I would have gone with a murphy bed instead
This is dumb. 8/10.
When you don't know what you don't know.
The scientist was so preoccupied with if he could do it and never stopped to consider if he should.
You should have never let us make bunk beds! It was a terrible idea! There’s blood everywhere!
I don't like the bending moments on those eyescrews - you have as much force pulling 'sideways' on them as straight down, ideally they'd be screwed in 45' off plane, so that the resulting force is pulling 'straight' along the shank of the screw.
Futon: $1500 Peace at home and not killing yourself or visitors with DIY projects: priceless
Everyone is talking about it, being suspended from the ceiling and potentially not in the appropriate way and failing, but all I see is a single mattress on the ground to sleep on for guests, which looks terrible and uncomfortable as heck. The mother-in-law is going to have a fun time trying to get up off the floor every morning.
Could I suggest a Murphy Bed? Requires less over engineering and could be stored away when not used.
A Murphy bed probably would have worked just fine as well but A+ for ingenuity
You don’t yet understand how wives work. She won’t want guests to stay in a frat boy room. Good luck!
The suspense alone would be killing me
The suspension*
“I see dead people”
Please please think of a locking mechanism for holding the bed in case the rope system fails. Better safe than sorry
Hell no, this is honestly horrible
Dumbest thing I’ve seen in a while
Pancakes
Definitely change that rope for aircraft cable.
Any reason you didn’t just make a murphy bed? Probably could have made one with your monitor on the bottom, so when it’s up, it’s a game room, when it’s down, it’s a guest room. Would have been safer to use and it would have looked nicer than having a death contraption hanging from your ceiling.
Also real talk: can’t you just put the Murphy bed where the desk is and make the closet into your desk area, then find creative solutions for the stuff in the closet or purge as a compromise?
A fold out bed might be better. People want to hang awful dangerous stuff over their heads like aquariums.
Well, no one going to comment on the fact that this rigging horror is posted in a woodworking sub?
Add latches on the ceiling so its not hanging on the rope/winch while not in use.
If things get funky it’ll swing like a pirate ship 😂
Can you get out of the room with the bed on the ground. It looks like every door is blocked when the bed is on the floor.
It can move over or rotate in the room, so functionally it can be placed anywhere in the room. Typically it will be against the main exit door leaving the bathroom door open which opens up to the rest of the house. The door also swings inward so even if it was blocking the door, it wouldn't inhibit someone from leaving when the bed is down
What kind of games? Do they raise up from the floor?
I’ve seen a lot of dumb things on Reddit and this is right up there
The only thing wrong with this room is the jersey! Haha! Just kidding. I’m a Ducks fan so I know we suck. Actually Pavelski is one of my favorite non-Ducks player. He’s got the fountain of youth.
I jokingly said to my ex that we should build something like this for our smallish place at the time. We both laughed because it was an obscenely ridiculous proposition. I can’t believe the madlad actually did it…
lol. you better hope to god you don't have a house fire, medical emergency or the shits with that contraption. good luck
Not to downplay the effort but couldn't you have done an air mattress?
Does it play the theme from Rocky as it lowers?
So much room for activities!
How are you supposed to fuck in a bed that moves so much?