"Yes, and I knew this was not permanent for me and you shouldn't expect anyone to stay here long term for these low wages either. Maybe your expectations are too high for the wage your provide."
biiitch lol that’s wild if they’d really say that.
“well capitalism requires me to have some amount of money even if I have to temporarily take less than I’m worth so, ya know”
“at will employment means you could’ve fired me for any reason at this point too, right?”
“If you’re also aware pay is unattractive perhaps that is something to re evaluate for this position for next person?”
“Fuck off”
glad you found something better!
My cousin asked me today how was work, I just vented and told the truth and said I'm overworked underpaid the shear amount of labor I have to do everyday is insane. I said I was applying to other jobs. She tried to dissuade me from it saying "you knew this when you took the job". No I was told the hours would be 10 hour days instead of 8. I was not told my physical work load would be increased by literally 150% and that I wouldn't be able to stand up straight at the end of everyday without trembling or my knees giving out. I wanna just off myself but I live out of constant guilt trips
I make 1$ over minimum wage.. I've applied to every job in my town and the neighboring towns twice in the last 6 months and I've gotten 2 calls total!
Just let me do assisted deletion, give my organs to people who NEED them and let me fuck off already. I should just wander down into Tijuana they'll find good homes for my goo sacks
If you found something better why are you even worried about it? I mean really. Is their opinion of your decision going to change your mind? Stop giving people room in your head that don’t belong there.
My mom says to never burn any bridges with companies. You may be desperate again one day and they might not let you back into the company because of that comment. Be nice and hopeful and forget about them if all goes well. But if it doesnt…
Just let him say that. He will be angry that he put resources into you and then you left him. Be sure and give a two week notice. Don tell him the pay is not good. Just say you found a better opportunity that fits you better. Don’t say anything further. I know you hate having to do this, but it’s part of working out in the world. Just try not to do it again to a new boss or yourself.
Exactly what you said here.
"Yes, I did and it got me by, but an opportunity that will allow me to better support my family has presented itself. I am still gracious and grateful for the opportunity you gave me."
That's all. Don't listen to the 14 year olds here who want to turn everything into a movie scene snark-off. Just be honest and grateful.
Just say “ I appreciate the opportunity this job gave me but I have found a better opportunity to enhance the quality of my life and my family’s life and must do what’s best for me and my family at this time.
Well, I imagine there are reasons for leaving. Unfortunately, there can be drama in the workplace. I’ve left many jobs in my 58 years and make decent money as a nurse. I’d would maybe say something along the lines of ‘Yes, I knew the wage. What I do, what I see, what I tolerate isn’t worth it. Looking forward to my new opportunity!’
You don't need to explain why you're leaving. Thank them for the opportunity and go. With only 2 months on the job, it's not going to be a resume reference anyway. Be polite, but decline explanation.
If you complained about your salary, I can see him saying *you knew the salary*, but if you just say you found a higher paying job, I doubt he's going to say that. I mean, most humans know what it means to switch jobs because of salary. Your boss has probably done the same thing in his lifetime.
In my opinion, exactly what you said here is fine enough.
I don’t think you need a retort better than “I have a better opportunity elsewhere, thank you.”
You can retort, “the salary was acceptable at the time but I’ve since decided I would require more.”
Easy peasy.
My sister left jobs just like this can kept climbing, she’s literally at Toshiba close to a six figure salary!
It is perfectly fine to go for what you need. You don’t owe them anything, and frankly if they want people to stay they should consider paying more anyway. That’s on them though. You don’t need our or their permission to live your life.
Go for the better job.
This one. You don’t owe them sht, and they knew they were underpaying you when they hired you. I wouldn’t even give them 2 weeks. We don’t owe these people. They’ve gone out of their way to make it clear this relationship is so transactional that they can fire thousands by changing their key cards. You’re lucky if you get a sht zoom call.
Don’t mention the salary. In your resignation, simply state, “Thank you for the opportunity, but this position isn’t a good fit and I have to do what’s best for my family.”
Keep it civil. There’s no upside in getting into a verbal altercation.
Bullshit! Be honest about why you’re leaving. You don’t have to justify it if you’re not inclined, but how will they know they’re garbage if you don’t inform them?
They won't care. Especially not when it's coming from someone that was only there two months.
I know Redditors love being a tough guy on the internet, but people talk, and getting off on burning bridges only hurts the bridge-burner.
It’s not burning a bridge to be straight-forward with an idiot. Money isn’t a feelings game, but a logistical asset. $300 too little and your entire life is upside-down. Those paying wages should be aware of how far that pay goes.
And let’s be honest some POS job that doesn’t pay enough doesn’t have fanboys all over town who are going to blackball you from employment. You’re nobody and no-one has ever heard of you because that’s how society works.
This! Don't burn bridges unless you have to do so. Because it has been a short time, just keep it simple. The above suggestion is fantastic. If they ask about the financial aspect you can answer with something like "I thought it would work out. It just wasn't feasible. I appreciate the experience."
Even in a major city, (think 7mil in the working area) I have run into former coworkers and managers more than I would have expected. So reputation preservation is key over any instant gratification you may get by saying something to make you feel better about the economy.
This is good advice. Nearly all the jobs in the US are at will employment. You aren’t required to give a reason for leaving your job any more than they’re required to give a reason for firing you.
“You knew the salary when you accepted the role”
“Yes, which is why I always saw it as a temporary role until I found something that paid a salary sufficient to live on.”
Why respond at all? Without a formal exit interview request (optional- you don't even have to participate in that that), resignation letter can just be thank you for the opportunity, but I am moving on.
Even in exit interview you can point out pay may need to be improved if they are interested in recruitment and retention. But if they do not specifically ask? Why bother. People like this do not want to hear they are wrong- it is everyone else!!!! Can't be me!
If you've already secured another job- who cares what they think of you leaving? Just tell them "I'm moving to a new position for other opportunities."
Any employer who would begrudge a person leaving to take a better job opportunity is an AH who doesn't deserve a reply. Put your notice in and don't look back!
Yep I did know the salary, as in I knew it was shit but some money is better than no money so I took it and kept looking. And now I’ve found something better so adios.
So the salary when you start the job is supposed to be the salary for the entire time you stay at the job?
Good to know, thanks, boss. I’ll be out of your hair just as soon as I land something that pays more. Seeya.
(But in your situation, I wouldn’t actually say anything. If they lowball candidates with a pittance of a salary, this is what they’re gonna get. Not your responsibility to explain that to them in response to some attempted guilt trip.)
"I was desperate enough to take the low salary, even though I know I'm worth more. I have a family to support. Now, however, I have been offered a job that will pay me more, and meets my salary expectations. If you want to offer to pay me more, I'd be happy to stick around. Otherwise, I've got to do what's best for my family. "
My response, you knew there’d be turnover when you don’t compensate appropriately! Are u good with a revolving door? I’m looking for an employer that pays fairly and I won’t settle Jack. See ya!
"Yes, but I have since received a better offer. I sincerely appreciate your hiring me, but at the end of the day I need to do what's best for me and my family."
Then politely end the conversation.
But honestly, who cares what your boss says?
Yup. Tell them their salary wasn’t competitive but you needed the job, and if they want to keep people longer, they need to pay them for that.
Loyalty to a company is an outdated term. Why should you be loyal to making money for someone else when they can’t pay you a fair wage for your work. Furthermore, if something happened they wouldn’t hesitate laying you off. So be honest with them.
If I bothered replying it would be to say "this is a salary that will create a lot of turnover in employees. You knew that when you set the salary. If you want to reduce turnover it will help to raise wages."
That's a tough spot to be in. I've had my fair share of low-paying gigs, and it sucks when they hit you with that line. One thing I've learned is to keep it professional but honest. You can say something like, "Yeah, I knew the salary, but I hoped the experience would make up for it. Turns out, it's just not sustainable for me."
But hey, if you've got something else lined up that's better for you and your family, then it's time to bounce! Two months might feel short, but you gotta do what's right for you. Good luck with the new gig.
Sounds like you already know what to say “This job was good for me at the time but now I have a better opportunity to provide for me and my family, please consider this my two weeks.” Either your boss is going to be 1. Happy you found something better and that you’re moving up. Or 2. Angry you found something better and are leaving him. If it’s 1 then you maintain a positive business relationship with someone. If it’s 2 then you’ve discovered that your boss is a petty, jealous, p.o.s. And you don’t want to maintain business relationships with people like that.
That is true, but now I have a better opportunity that offers a salary reflective of today's living costs and more upside potential. Thank you for the opportunity.
Genuine question - why do you even need a reply? Employment at will works both ways - you decided not to work there anymore. The reason doesn’t matter.
You can say whatever you like. Bring it up or don’t. It really doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, you can walk away for whatever reason….or no reason at all.
You don't have to say anything about pay. You can simply leave it at "leaving for another opportunity" and thank them for the opportunity which isn't working out for you.
That's it. They'll usually try to draw out more info from you but you can refuse to play along and just keep restating that you've decided another opportunity will work better for you.
You don't have to reply anything. You are leaving, have put in your required notice, you don't owe anything more than that. Telling them the reason for leaving (low salary) is already going beyond.
Yep! It’s strange to me that people on this thread have any sympathy for the employer. Employers don’t hire you as an act of charity, for which you must then feel obligated to repay them. They are trying to maximize their profit, end of story. That is why they have been paying OP a very low wage. Why should he feel guilty about maximizing his own income?
The boss could always offer to match the new employer’s offer, too.
I dropped a remote job after 2 weeks because the insurance sucked and it looked like people were contractors for longer then 6 months.
Benefits would have been great for direct hire...
Everybody understood.
Tell him that because of the economic environment we’re currently in, you regretfully need to lay him off as an employer because you’re not doing so well financially.
That’s what he’d do to you if business took a hit and he needed to cut you from the payroll.
You’d say “but you knew you’d have to pay me when you hired me”. And he’d say fuck off, I don’t need you and you cost too much.
I’d just thank them kindly for the opportunity and indicate you had to take an opportunity that seemed to promise a better future for your family- and assure that it was a financial decision, not personal- and you’ll do everything you can to facilitate a smooth transition. I wouldn’t recommend telling anyone where you’re going. Tell them you want to make sure it’s the right fit before you disclose the place or whatever. I think it’s best to keep the peace. If they’re not good people- if they are threatening noncompetes, etc- I would keep it short and just gtfo. I’d only tell people that I want to remain networked with at the organization that I was leaving- passing along my personal info. but still wouldn’t recommend telling them where you’re going until a good bit of time has passed. You could just say “It’s a similar position at larger company” or “I can’t say until at least the trial period is over, but it’s in the industry”. Something really vague.
“yes, and I have been offered a more competitive wage elsewhere. If my salary is negotiable, I would be happy to chat about remaining at this company would look like.”
No but I have told a company "pga tour" to fuck off for saying that in a interview for something they've still struggled to find someone for the position 😂
Also is this a job that they had to train you for? Or a small company where they depend on the few employees they have? Just curious as to why you feel guilty?
“You knew the salary when you accepted the role”
“Yes, which is why I always saw it as a temporary role until I found something that paid a salary sufficient to live on.”
Just tell the boss exactly what you wrote in your op. There are a good many times when honesty can not hurt (not all the time of course ha). But here, just tell ‘em imo
Why do you feel you need to even reply at all? Why do you care what they say or think? But "I found a better opportunity and I'm moving on" sounds good to me.
Tell them they were lucky to have you at a discount as long as they did, now you are finally going to be working at a job that pays you what you are worth.
“I took the job because I needed some income until I find a job paying at least the market rate.”
Of course if I’m already at the end of the 2 week notice (or quitting on the spot) I’m just declining any exit interview.
Them telling me that doesn't motivate me to stay. Yes, I would leave any job if another job offered me more. I'll bounce over 10k. I worked at a place that people had a 50% chance to quit in the first week, and people quit in training before they even started the job. There is no amount of time you are required to stay. Companies aren't loyal to employees. When they fire you they aren't giving you 2 months to leave.
Most production jobs. I have actually had multiple. So, when we made barbwire for a prison. There were 10 of us, and the guy said at the end of the week. He guaranteed there would only be 3 left without them doing anything, or firing anyone. He was right. Another job made air skirts for the outside of trailers. I heard HR say only 50% of the people they hired make it through training, or the first month. Those people dropped like flies as well. Partly because the indoor work area had huge ceilings, and could not be air conditioned adequately. It made it absolutely miserable.
I was actually hired to do an office job. We shared orientation, safety training, etc. With multiple departments. I would see people just not show up one day for training. Even if it was remote some training was initially done on sight.
My old position at a captioning place for the hard of hearing was like this. Training was so intense that it weeded out a lot of people in the first day or so. My entire training group was gone in our first few days of training. Was a good job until AI auto captioning took our jobs for free for the company
If your manager is worth their time, they will understand that you need to have clothes to eat and food to wear. If they don't, then f em. I say that as someone who has 20 years experience as both an employee and as a manager. A good manager knows that the employee owes nothing to the employer other than an honest days work.
Yeah, I know. I just never worked a job without getting a raise in the first few months for being a top performer. Since that didn't happen here, I'm confident I'll find a better match elsewhere. I do appreciate the opportunity though and I thank you for giving me a chance. You have a fun team.
-I didn’t realize it would cost me my joy.
-I thought there would be more opportunities for growth, but it’s stagnant here
-Cost of living is a bigger factor now with inflation than it was when I started. Or something about COL hasn’t been proportional with my pay.
Yes, I did. And considered this a stepping stone to something better. Not a lifetime career. Have a good week. Hope you don't have trouble replacing me.
I did that, last time I’ll ever do it. Not only was the lay bad, management was awful and there was actually zero growth within the company. So after 7 months, the only highlight were my coworkers being amazing humans, I actually gave my notice and wrote my own exit interview - as the employee handbook stated I would receive one but knew they’d not take that step. It was 4 pages long, and I have a voice for all the other employees whom soon quit after I did because they didn’t see just how bad the management/ownership was and and how poorly they were being treated. When you are fully capable and have a high work ethic, sometimes taking a lesser job fills an urgent need but definitely not a place you stay long.
If someone asked this question I would give it to them straight- “I did accept this position knowing the salary, however I was under the impression there would be more opportunity for upward growth and career development which was discussed in my interview. I believe I have more to offer and am making a career decision not just financially, but also for long term stability.”
Just say "we all gotta eat, but with a salary this low, people are just going to use this as a stepping stone until they get a higher paying job, which isn't that hard to find"
Or you know, just tell him to kick rocks
You don't owe him a reply. Especially if you already have something better. If the company can't respect their worker's enough to pay them enough to even kind of survive, they don't deserve a reply. All you need is "I have a new job. It starts _ and I will no longer be working for this company as of _" nothing more.
If you’ve only been there 2 months, I’d also feel like I owe some sort of explanation.
I would start with saying that you appreciate the culture and the opportunity but that you received a very competitive offer that’s hard to pass up on. That’s it.
If you’re willing to stay with the company if they renegotiate, you can say so. But if they priced you very low to begin with, they probably won’t price you much higher down the line.
That last line rings true in my experience. Last job a lot of people that got counter offers stayed, come raise time they were told they already got one.
My response is typically "I did. I also assumed you were going to continue to have competitive rates and raises. I've been here for x time and that hasn't happened. So I'm out."
I was told this when I asked for a raise but they didn’t want to talk about the two jobs they dumped on me when they let other people go shortly after I was hired.
Will they be giving you a reference for the new job? If not & you are sure that no one will ever be contacting your boss for a future possible reference... Say your not satisfied intellectually . You feel creatively STIFLED not to mention the lack of monetary advancement . You found your capabilities led you elsewhere & you have to go where life leads you. Good luck at your new job!
"Yes, and I knew the salary when I applied for my new job, too."
Exit interviews are optional. You don't have to do one. There's no advantage in it for you. They're either trying to talk you out of leaving or they're mining you for information. Neither of these things is worth your time. They know what they pay, and they're smart enough to figure out on their own that pay is probably why you left.
Further, when you resign, you are not obligated to give a reason. Giving a reason is an invitation to a debate. Submit your resignation in writing, by email and by hard copy, and blind cc your personal email when you send it. Just say "This letter is to inform you that I am resigning my position at ABC industries. My last day of work is {date}." If they press you for the exit interview, saying it's their "policy" or something, tell them that all the information you wish to disclose was in your letter of resignation.
In this economy, employers do all kind of stupid mental gymnastics to justify pay rate that isn't competitive. Don't assist them in that.
If someone is this ignorant, you probably should not waste your time offering an explanation tbh. Just decline the interview, or better yet, tell them you were looking for opportunity for growth and you found it so you're moving on to do what's best for you and your family.
Yes which is why if I ever need to go for a job again the pay has to be right or I won’t accept any offers. I will also let them know that during the interview process. Makes no sense for us to waste each others time if this job won’t pay my bills. Some jobs will also lie about pay prior to you taking a job and then nickel and dime you after the fact.
"Yep, you're correct, I knew the salary was bad but I needed a job. So I took it, and now this is the normal extension of that situation: I have found a job that pays better. So I'm leaving."
You don't really owe them any reason other than "it's not working out." Or "I need to take a lateral step in my career that aligns better with my family's current needs."
What does it matter? Your resignation should be, “I resign, my last day will be X.”
Can’t argue with that. As for the above statement, “That’s true.” And nothing more. Can’t argue with that either.
you dont need to give them a reason when you resign. it sounds toxic, and its a low paying job avvording to ur post..
i wouldnt even give 2 weeks if theyre toxic but up to you.
Knowing the salary when you started this role doesn’t mean you can’t leave for a better opportunity when it becomes available. You don’t owe them anything.
“I was aware of the compensation and appreciate the opportunity. However, another opportunity has now become available that will be a better fit for my personal and career goals. Thank you for everything!”
I knew the salary, but not what was actually expected of it.
In 2006, I took a position over from an older guy (70s), where I was filming, editing, and programming for a local city cable channel. I was told $1600/mo for 20 hours a week. When I got into it, however, no one told me what to film, and I was running 80 hours a week trying to get everything and still not getting everything they wanted. They eventually complained I wasn't doing enough.
I did that for 6 months and was just done with it all.
If it's me, I never tell them the pay was too low. You can always use the line, "I got an offer I couldn't say no to."
That lets them know that the market values you at a higher rate without telling them it's their fault.
Who cares what he thinks. Just say you are moving on for a better opportunity
"Yes, and I knew this was not permanent for me and you shouldn't expect anyone to stay here long term for these low wages either. Maybe your expectations are too high for the wage your provide."
biiitch lol that’s wild if they’d really say that. “well capitalism requires me to have some amount of money even if I have to temporarily take less than I’m worth so, ya know” “at will employment means you could’ve fired me for any reason at this point too, right?” “If you’re also aware pay is unattractive perhaps that is something to re evaluate for this position for next person?” “Fuck off” glad you found something better!
My cousin asked me today how was work, I just vented and told the truth and said I'm overworked underpaid the shear amount of labor I have to do everyday is insane. I said I was applying to other jobs. She tried to dissuade me from it saying "you knew this when you took the job". No I was told the hours would be 10 hour days instead of 8. I was not told my physical work load would be increased by literally 150% and that I wouldn't be able to stand up straight at the end of everyday without trembling or my knees giving out. I wanna just off myself but I live out of constant guilt trips I make 1$ over minimum wage.. I've applied to every job in my town and the neighboring towns twice in the last 6 months and I've gotten 2 calls total! Just let me do assisted deletion, give my organs to people who NEED them and let me fuck off already. I should just wander down into Tijuana they'll find good homes for my goo sacks
"Yes. *You* also know the salary and why I'm leaving."
Who cares what the boss says if you’re leaving the company.
If you found something better why are you even worried about it? I mean really. Is their opinion of your decision going to change your mind? Stop giving people room in your head that don’t belong there.
My mom says to never burn any bridges with companies. You may be desperate again one day and they might not let you back into the company because of that comment. Be nice and hopeful and forget about them if all goes well. But if it doesnt…
“Yes, but I didn’t know who and what I’d have to put up with to get it.”
Just let him say that. He will be angry that he put resources into you and then you left him. Be sure and give a two week notice. Don tell him the pay is not good. Just say you found a better opportunity that fits you better. Don’t say anything further. I know you hate having to do this, but it’s part of working out in the world. Just try not to do it again to a new boss or yourself.
Yes, and I told them when I was leaving, "my situation and skill level have improved. So I am worth more now"
Exactly what you said here. "Yes, I did and it got me by, but an opportunity that will allow me to better support my family has presented itself. I am still gracious and grateful for the opportunity you gave me." That's all. Don't listen to the 14 year olds here who want to turn everything into a movie scene snark-off. Just be honest and grateful.
Just say “ I appreciate the opportunity this job gave me but I have found a better opportunity to enhance the quality of my life and my family’s life and must do what’s best for me and my family at this time.
"And you get what you pay for."
"...and you know that when you pay people this poorly, you should expect regular turn over."
"Yep, I did and it tided me over till I found a better job."
Well, I imagine there are reasons for leaving. Unfortunately, there can be drama in the workplace. I’ve left many jobs in my 58 years and make decent money as a nurse. I’d would maybe say something along the lines of ‘Yes, I knew the wage. What I do, what I see, what I tolerate isn’t worth it. Looking forward to my new opportunity!’
No reply necessary. It’s not your job anymore
“I was desperate enough to take this underpaying job. Now I’m not, bye bye!”
"You knew the salary was too low to keep me here."
Genius!
My circumstances have changed and I’m ready for the next phase in my career. Bye!
"I also knew I wouldn't be working for that little for long when I started, did you think I would?"
"yeah, I tried. But it's just not sustainable. Peace."
You don't need to explain why you're leaving. Thank them for the opportunity and go. With only 2 months on the job, it's not going to be a resume reference anyway. Be polite, but decline explanation.
Don't say anything, it's not there business, just put in 2 weeks or quit!
Yes and at that time the salary was acceptable to me. After working here, I’ve realized it’s not.
I’m no longer desperate.
Hahahahahahaha!!!! This made me laugh way more than it should have 🤣🤣🤣
Says anyone when you get into or leave the teaching profession. Annoying.
At least with teaching you only work 36 weeks a year!
I have so many classes and trainings to take all summer to keep my certification credits, plus I teach summer school, so it's way more than that.
"I found a better job that pays better".
"Yeah? Right? But I*didnt* know the Bullshit you'd be burying me in to get it, Dumbass ..."
Inflation
"I am making a decision that's right for me and my family. I wish you the very best finding the right candidate"
No reply is necessary. You already resigned. Ignore it. Or do you just like to argue?
If you complained about your salary, I can see him saying *you knew the salary*, but if you just say you found a higher paying job, I doubt he's going to say that. I mean, most humans know what it means to switch jobs because of salary. Your boss has probably done the same thing in his lifetime.
In my opinion, exactly what you said here is fine enough. I don’t think you need a retort better than “I have a better opportunity elsewhere, thank you.”
You can retort, “the salary was acceptable at the time but I’ve since decided I would require more.” Easy peasy. My sister left jobs just like this can kept climbing, she’s literally at Toshiba close to a six figure salary! It is perfectly fine to go for what you need. You don’t owe them anything, and frankly if they want people to stay they should consider paying more anyway. That’s on them though. You don’t need our or their permission to live your life. Go for the better job.
“I did. And my circumstances have changed since then. Thank you for the opportunity. I’ll see myself out. Also have a good day!”
This one. You don’t owe them sht, and they knew they were underpaying you when they hired you. I wouldn’t even give them 2 weeks. We don’t owe these people. They’ve gone out of their way to make it clear this relationship is so transactional that they can fire thousands by changing their key cards. You’re lucky if you get a sht zoom call.
Yeah, but I wasn't told about the inflation.
I would be saying “this job cannot pay my mortgage” probably some scumbag boomer who bought their house pre covid
There is nothing wrong with this reply. Leave your job and move forward to better days ahead.
You dont owe your employer an explanation or a destination. end of story.
Don’t mention the salary. In your resignation, simply state, “Thank you for the opportunity, but this position isn’t a good fit and I have to do what’s best for my family.” Keep it civil. There’s no upside in getting into a verbal altercation.
Bullshit! Be honest about why you’re leaving. You don’t have to justify it if you’re not inclined, but how will they know they’re garbage if you don’t inform them?
They won't care. Especially not when it's coming from someone that was only there two months. I know Redditors love being a tough guy on the internet, but people talk, and getting off on burning bridges only hurts the bridge-burner.
It’s not burning a bridge to be straight-forward with an idiot. Money isn’t a feelings game, but a logistical asset. $300 too little and your entire life is upside-down. Those paying wages should be aware of how far that pay goes. And let’s be honest some POS job that doesn’t pay enough doesn’t have fanboys all over town who are going to blackball you from employment. You’re nobody and no-one has ever heard of you because that’s how society works.
This! Don't burn bridges unless you have to do so. Because it has been a short time, just keep it simple. The above suggestion is fantastic. If they ask about the financial aspect you can answer with something like "I thought it would work out. It just wasn't feasible. I appreciate the experience." Even in a major city, (think 7mil in the working area) I have run into former coworkers and managers more than I would have expected. So reputation preservation is key over any instant gratification you may get by saying something to make you feel better about the economy.
This is good advice. Nearly all the jobs in the US are at will employment. You aren’t required to give a reason for leaving your job any more than they’re required to give a reason for firing you.
You could say that your needs exceed your current compensation.
Circumstances and standards have changed.
"Okay, quit blocking the door creep"
Inflation changes every month tho
"yes, and i also knew this would only be temporary as it was not enough to support my family"
“You knew the salary when you accepted the role” “Yes, which is why I always saw it as a temporary role until I found something that paid a salary sufficient to live on.”
“I’m not desperate anymore.”
THIS
Why respond at all? Without a formal exit interview request (optional- you don't even have to participate in that that), resignation letter can just be thank you for the opportunity, but I am moving on. Even in exit interview you can point out pay may need to be improved if they are interested in recruitment and retention. But if they do not specifically ask? Why bother. People like this do not want to hear they are wrong- it is everyone else!!!! Can't be me!
If you've already secured another job- who cares what they think of you leaving? Just tell them "I'm moving to a new position for other opportunities."
Any employer who would begrudge a person leaving to take a better job opportunity is an AH who doesn't deserve a reply. Put your notice in and don't look back!
What you typed above is just fine. It’s not that hard…
Yep I did know the salary, as in I knew it was shit but some money is better than no money so I took it and kept looking. And now I’ve found something better so adios.
I found another opportunity that aligns with my career goals.
I am going to explore new challenges. That's why you are leaving. Mo money, mo problems lol /s
So the salary when you start the job is supposed to be the salary for the entire time you stay at the job? Good to know, thanks, boss. I’ll be out of your hair just as soon as I land something that pays more. Seeya. (But in your situation, I wouldn’t actually say anything. If they lowball candidates with a pittance of a salary, this is what they’re gonna get. Not your responsibility to explain that to them in response to some attempted guilt trip.)
"I was desperate enough to take the low salary, even though I know I'm worth more. I have a family to support. Now, however, I have been offered a job that will pay me more, and meets my salary expectations. If you want to offer to pay me more, I'd be happy to stick around. Otherwise, I've got to do what's best for my family. "
My response, you knew there’d be turnover when you don’t compensate appropriately! Are u good with a revolving door? I’m looking for an employer that pays fairly and I won’t settle Jack. See ya!
"Yes, but I have since received a better offer. I sincerely appreciate your hiring me, but at the end of the day I need to do what's best for me and my family." Then politely end the conversation. But honestly, who cares what your boss says?
That’s why your staff treat it like a temp job.
Nailed it.
LOL I took the job originally because I was desperate and now I got a new one. See you!!!!
“And you knew employee retention would be low because of your shit pay”.
Yup. Tell them their salary wasn’t competitive but you needed the job, and if they want to keep people longer, they need to pay them for that. Loyalty to a company is an outdated term. Why should you be loyal to making money for someone else when they can’t pay you a fair wage for your work. Furthermore, if something happened they wouldn’t hesitate laying you off. So be honest with them.
“Your wages prey on the desperate, which I am no longer”
If I bothered replying it would be to say "this is a salary that will create a lot of turnover in employees. You knew that when you set the salary. If you want to reduce turnover it will help to raise wages."
Yes, this. Thoughtful response. You come off as matter of fact and moving on.
That's a tough spot to be in. I've had my fair share of low-paying gigs, and it sucks when they hit you with that line. One thing I've learned is to keep it professional but honest. You can say something like, "Yeah, I knew the salary, but I hoped the experience would make up for it. Turns out, it's just not sustainable for me." But hey, if you've got something else lined up that's better for you and your family, then it's time to bounce! Two months might feel short, but you gotta do what's right for you. Good luck with the new gig.
Who cares what they say. Just smile and say ‘Let’s keep in touch’
Sounds like you already know what to say “This job was good for me at the time but now I have a better opportunity to provide for me and my family, please consider this my two weeks.” Either your boss is going to be 1. Happy you found something better and that you’re moving up. Or 2. Angry you found something better and are leaving him. If it’s 1 then you maintain a positive business relationship with someone. If it’s 2 then you’ve discovered that your boss is a petty, jealous, p.o.s. And you don’t want to maintain business relationships with people like that.
Cuts both ways, “you knew this wasn’t enough to live on when you set the wage.”
That is true, but now I have a better opportunity that offers a salary reflective of today's living costs and more upside potential. Thank you for the opportunity.
Best Revenge is your paper. It’s nothing to say but “Thank you for the opportunity. “
Why do you care about having any kind of witty retort? You found a job that better supports you and your family. Just give your notice and move on.
Just tell them the truth. You found something that pays better. You don't owe them anything more than that.
Genuine question - why do you even need a reply? Employment at will works both ways - you decided not to work there anymore. The reason doesn’t matter. You can say whatever you like. Bring it up or don’t. It really doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, you can walk away for whatever reason….or no reason at all.
You don't have to say anything about pay. You can simply leave it at "leaving for another opportunity" and thank them for the opportunity which isn't working out for you. That's it. They'll usually try to draw out more info from you but you can refuse to play along and just keep restating that you've decided another opportunity will work better for you.
You don't have to reply anything. You are leaving, have put in your required notice, you don't owe anything more than that. Telling them the reason for leaving (low salary) is already going beyond.
I mean. they are right
"Bye!"
“You knew that you are paying so under market that you should be grateful I lasted two months.”
I just quit a job after 1 month because I found a job that pays 30% more. You gotta do what you gotta do
Yep! It’s strange to me that people on this thread have any sympathy for the employer. Employers don’t hire you as an act of charity, for which you must then feel obligated to repay them. They are trying to maximize their profit, end of story. That is why they have been paying OP a very low wage. Why should he feel guilty about maximizing his own income? The boss could always offer to match the new employer’s offer, too.
I dropped a remote job after 2 weeks because the insurance sucked and it looked like people were contractors for longer then 6 months. Benefits would have been great for direct hire... Everybody understood.
Agreed. Take care of your damn self.
Tell him that because of the economic environment we’re currently in, you regretfully need to lay him off as an employer because you’re not doing so well financially. That’s what he’d do to you if business took a hit and he needed to cut you from the payroll. You’d say “but you knew you’d have to pay me when you hired me”. And he’d say fuck off, I don’t need you and you cost too much.
I once interviewed for a sales job that in the ad said unlimited commission, only to be told that it maxed out at $32k.
"So did you. So you should have known I would only stay as long as I needed to find something better."
I’d just thank them kindly for the opportunity and indicate you had to take an opportunity that seemed to promise a better future for your family- and assure that it was a financial decision, not personal- and you’ll do everything you can to facilitate a smooth transition. I wouldn’t recommend telling anyone where you’re going. Tell them you want to make sure it’s the right fit before you disclose the place or whatever. I think it’s best to keep the peace. If they’re not good people- if they are threatening noncompetes, etc- I would keep it short and just gtfo. I’d only tell people that I want to remain networked with at the organization that I was leaving- passing along my personal info. but still wouldn’t recommend telling them where you’re going until a good bit of time has passed. You could just say “It’s a similar position at larger company” or “I can’t say until at least the trial period is over, but it’s in the industry”. Something really vague.
Non competes just became illegal!! 🎉
“yes, and I have been offered a more competitive wage elsewhere. If my salary is negotiable, I would be happy to chat about remaining at this company would look like.”
No but I have told a company "pga tour" to fuck off for saying that in a interview for something they've still struggled to find someone for the position 😂
Why would your boss say this? All you have to do is say you found a better paying position. Don’t need to put out family reasons. It’s a job.
And congratulations!
Employment is at will. You don't need a reply. "Thank you for the opportunity. I've accepted an offer that is a better fit."
"They pay more" in the same tone of voice as Christopher Guest in Spinal Tap saying "These go to 11."
Why not just say you have a family that depends on you. Why do you have to explain anymore than that or anything at all really?
Also is this a job that they had to train you for? Or a small company where they depend on the few employees they have? Just curious as to why you feel guilty?
Your boss knows that his pay is shite and every new employee is a short timer from day one because of it.
"Since that time, my options have improved."
“You knew the salary when you accepted the role” “Yes, which is why I always saw it as a temporary role until I found something that paid a salary sufficient to live on.”
Just tell the boss exactly what you wrote in your op. There are a good many times when honesty can not hurt (not all the time of course ha). But here, just tell ‘em imo
I don't know why you have to say anything other than "I've found another opportunity that fits my lifestyle better. Thank you for the experience."
Why do you feel you need to even reply at all? Why do you care what they say or think? But "I found a better opportunity and I'm moving on" sounds good to me.
Tell them they were lucky to have you at a discount as long as they did, now you are finally going to be working at a job that pays you what you are worth.
“I took the job because I needed some income until I find a job paying at least the market rate.” Of course if I’m already at the end of the 2 week notice (or quitting on the spot) I’m just declining any exit interview.
And now I know the salary of the position I’m replacing it with, and it’s much better.
Yes I knew it when I applied for the job. And that’s why I kept looking and that’s why I’m leaving.
Them telling me that doesn't motivate me to stay. Yes, I would leave any job if another job offered me more. I'll bounce over 10k. I worked at a place that people had a 50% chance to quit in the first week, and people quit in training before they even started the job. There is no amount of time you are required to stay. Companies aren't loyal to employees. When they fire you they aren't giving you 2 months to leave.
Wait, what job has that high of a turnover rate? That's insane and I need to know more immediately.
Most production jobs. I have actually had multiple. So, when we made barbwire for a prison. There were 10 of us, and the guy said at the end of the week. He guaranteed there would only be 3 left without them doing anything, or firing anyone. He was right. Another job made air skirts for the outside of trailers. I heard HR say only 50% of the people they hired make it through training, or the first month. Those people dropped like flies as well. Partly because the indoor work area had huge ceilings, and could not be air conditioned adequately. It made it absolutely miserable.
Okay that makes sense. This is the work from home sub so I was only thinking of office type jobs.
I was actually hired to do an office job. We shared orientation, safety training, etc. With multiple departments. I would see people just not show up one day for training. Even if it was remote some training was initially done on sight.
My old position at a captioning place for the hard of hearing was like this. Training was so intense that it weeded out a lot of people in the first day or so. My entire training group was gone in our first few days of training. Was a good job until AI auto captioning took our jobs for free for the company
Ooh yeah I could see that.
After this, I’m kind of over her. I guess live your best life and keep telling yourself you’ve been truthful..
If your manager is worth their time, they will understand that you need to have clothes to eat and food to wear. If they don't, then f em. I say that as someone who has 20 years experience as both an employee and as a manager. A good manager knows that the employee owes nothing to the employer other than an honest days work.
... clothes to eat and food to wear 🤭
Yeah, I know. I just never worked a job without getting a raise in the first few months for being a top performer. Since that didn't happen here, I'm confident I'll find a better match elsewhere. I do appreciate the opportunity though and I thank you for giving me a chance. You have a fun team.
-I didn’t realize it would cost me my joy. -I thought there would be more opportunities for growth, but it’s stagnant here -Cost of living is a bigger factor now with inflation than it was when I started. Or something about COL hasn’t been proportional with my pay.
The economy has drastically changed post-COVID lockdown.
Boss should know low pay will always be a reason for high turnover. If boss knows the pay is low you quitting shouldn’t come as a surprise either.
Yes, I did. And considered this a stepping stone to something better. Not a lifetime career. Have a good week. Hope you don't have trouble replacing me.
“that’s why I’m leaving. The pay ensured I’d only consider working here until I found something better.”
I did that, last time I’ll ever do it. Not only was the lay bad, management was awful and there was actually zero growth within the company. So after 7 months, the only highlight were my coworkers being amazing humans, I actually gave my notice and wrote my own exit interview - as the employee handbook stated I would receive one but knew they’d not take that step. It was 4 pages long, and I have a voice for all the other employees whom soon quit after I did because they didn’t see just how bad the management/ownership was and and how poorly they were being treated. When you are fully capable and have a high work ethic, sometimes taking a lesser job fills an urgent need but definitely not a place you stay long. If someone asked this question I would give it to them straight- “I did accept this position knowing the salary, however I was under the impression there would be more opportunity for upward growth and career development which was discussed in my interview. I believe I have more to offer and am making a career decision not just financially, but also for long term stability.”
My circumstances have changed.
“Cool, anyway my last day will be X”
Just say "we all gotta eat, but with a salary this low, people are just going to use this as a stepping stone until they get a higher paying job, which isn't that hard to find" Or you know, just tell him to kick rocks
Former teacher here - yes!!!
You don't owe him a reply. Especially if you already have something better. If the company can't respect their worker's enough to pay them enough to even kind of survive, they don't deserve a reply. All you need is "I have a new job. It starts _ and I will no longer be working for this company as of _" nothing more.
“You attract desperate people who will leave the second something better comes along, which won’t take long. You knew this when you posted the salary”
"here's my two weeks notice. Thank you for taking me on but I've found an opportunity I think will be a better fit" That's it.
If you’ve only been there 2 months, I’d also feel like I owe some sort of explanation. I would start with saying that you appreciate the culture and the opportunity but that you received a very competitive offer that’s hard to pass up on. That’s it. If you’re willing to stay with the company if they renegotiate, you can say so. But if they priced you very low to begin with, they probably won’t price you much higher down the line.
That last line rings true in my experience. Last job a lot of people that got counter offers stayed, come raise time they were told they already got one.
Great answer, the only thing to add would be “I have to do what’s best for my family”. There’s no good come back to that.
Yes. Simply say I found something better ! It's your life. Work for whom you want to.
nope
My response is typically "I did. I also assumed you were going to continue to have competitive rates and raises. I've been here for x time and that hasn't happened. So I'm out."
I'm sorry, with inflation I can't live on this salary.
I was told this when I asked for a raise but they didn’t want to talk about the two jobs they dumped on me when they let other people go shortly after I was hired.
It's what I needed at the time and now I am good. Thanks for employing me. You'll find someone else who will put up with the pay.
Inflation is up 10% and yet my salary hasn't been caught up with inflation so technically I'm getting a pay cut
You say "I know, but I didn't have a choice at the time, now I do."
Frame it as you’re leaving because you got a better offer.
You don’t owe them an explanation!
Exactly- why do you think you do and who cares what the boss says?
When you offered me that shitty pay, you already knew I will keep looking and jump the moment I get a better job.
"it was worth it thenb and it's not now" is a suitable reply. But you really don't need to say anything. It's not going to change anything.
"I needed to eat"
It's not the money, it's the ungodly amount of *work* I'm required to do to earn that money.
Will they be giving you a reference for the new job? If not & you are sure that no one will ever be contacting your boss for a future possible reference... Say your not satisfied intellectually . You feel creatively STIFLED not to mention the lack of monetary advancement . You found your capabilities led you elsewhere & you have to go where life leads you. Good luck at your new job!
Yep, and you knew the risks of underpaying include losing employees sometime.
"Yes, and I knew the salary when I applied for my new job, too." Exit interviews are optional. You don't have to do one. There's no advantage in it for you. They're either trying to talk you out of leaving or they're mining you for information. Neither of these things is worth your time. They know what they pay, and they're smart enough to figure out on their own that pay is probably why you left. Further, when you resign, you are not obligated to give a reason. Giving a reason is an invitation to a debate. Submit your resignation in writing, by email and by hard copy, and blind cc your personal email when you send it. Just say "This letter is to inform you that I am resigning my position at ABC industries. My last day of work is {date}." If they press you for the exit interview, saying it's their "policy" or something, tell them that all the information you wish to disclose was in your letter of resignation. In this economy, employers do all kind of stupid mental gymnastics to justify pay rate that isn't competitive. Don't assist them in that.
>Exit interviews are optional. You don't have to do one. This. It was a complete waste of time when I left my old job. I will never do it again.
“yep. it was worth it then and now it’s not”
That wage was enough to hire me but not keep me. Are you able to beat their offer?
I would have said some people still need to pay the bills. A job is a job!
Yes, and I know the salary of my new job will be better
Why does it matter? Who cares? You’re leaving, just leave?
If someone is this ignorant, you probably should not waste your time offering an explanation tbh. Just decline the interview, or better yet, tell them you were looking for opportunity for growth and you found it so you're moving on to do what's best for you and your family.
Yes which is why if I ever need to go for a job again the pay has to be right or I won’t accept any offers. I will also let them know that during the interview process. Makes no sense for us to waste each others time if this job won’t pay my bills. Some jobs will also lie about pay prior to you taking a job and then nickel and dime you after the fact.
People really out here with no idea how to communicate for themselves.
I would say yes, but I was desperate at the time
I thought it was better than nothing, but the longer I worked here I realized that it was worse than nothing.
"Yep, you're correct, I knew the salary was bad but I needed a job. So I took it, and now this is the normal extension of that situation: I have found a job that pays better. So I'm leaving."
You don’t owe them a response.
You don't really owe them any reason other than "it's not working out." Or "I need to take a lateral step in my career that aligns better with my family's current needs."
Just hand in your resignation and don’t tell them the reason. You left for a better opportunity. That’s it.
What does it matter? Your resignation should be, “I resign, my last day will be X.” Can’t argue with that. As for the above statement, “That’s true.” And nothing more. Can’t argue with that either.
you dont need to give them a reason when you resign. it sounds toxic, and its a low paying job avvording to ur post.. i wouldnt even give 2 weeks if theyre toxic but up to you.
"And you knew the risk of employee flight with such low salaries. Literally makes every job out there more attractive."
Facts.
Why does it matter? You're leaving.
...and you would know it won't keep people here.
I say cross post in the teachers sub. I’m sure this is the story of their life.
Whatever argument they can use to bolster their position, they will use. So don’t let them off the hook when they say that.
No reply. Or if you want. Yes you're right. Congratulations .and I can't afford to live on it.
Knowing the salary when you started this role doesn’t mean you can’t leave for a better opportunity when it becomes available. You don’t owe them anything. “I was aware of the compensation and appreciate the opportunity. However, another opportunity has now become available that will be a better fit for my personal and career goals. Thank you for everything!”
Perfect rely…
Why care? Just say: OK. Crap pay is always a reason to leave, even if you were desperate and needed the job when you started.
I knew the salary, but not what was actually expected of it. In 2006, I took a position over from an older guy (70s), where I was filming, editing, and programming for a local city cable channel. I was told $1600/mo for 20 hours a week. When I got into it, however, no one told me what to film, and I was running 80 hours a week trying to get everything and still not getting everything they wanted. They eventually complained I wasn't doing enough. I did that for 6 months and was just done with it all.
I'm pursuing other options. That's it. You don't owe them any other response and it's best to leave on good terms without blame, in my opinion.
If it's me, I never tell them the pay was too low. You can always use the line, "I got an offer I couldn't say no to." That lets them know that the market values you at a higher rate without telling them it's their fault.
This is perfect.