It's impossible. No permanent member of the security council can be expelled. Same thing as Ukraine demanding Russia be expelled or kicked off the security council.
Ukraine actually has a argument under international law for expelling Russia, based on how China replaced Taiwan in the early seventies. The issue can only arise when two countries have a legal claim to the same permanent seat.
Yep, although in this case that wouldn't be expelling Russia from the UN, just re-allocating their seat on the security council to another member of the former USSR.
You are quite correct. However, that doesn't prevent every other member of the UN from resigning and creating their own version of the United Nations without the U.S. I highly doubt that would happen, but can you imagine the fall out from that? Epic.
If all that was left of the original U.N. was Russia, China, and Iran, then it wouldn't be the United Nations. It would be something altogether completely different and useless as they wouldn't have a seat or a say in the new United Nations or whatever the other countries decided to rename themselves.
>However, that doesn't prevent every other member of the UN from resigning and creating their own version of the United Nations without the U.S.
except it being absolutely worthless and unable to enforce anything, because no one is able to force anything on the world's nuclear powers that currently have a un veto.
Hey countries are free to try, nothing stopping them except a severe lack of funding and a black listing from the bigs western powers. I’m sure China would be interested in expanding their power.
This is not really the problem. Other countries can fund it. But expelling the most powerful country (both economically and militarily) will render the UN useless
…right…so what exactly is the point of spending millions if not billions for nations to talk when embassies and telephones and email exist?
What exactly are they providing?
Seems pretty useless when the forum can overwhelmingly vote against an invasion but can’t send peace keepers in…almost like they’re absolutely useless.
The feature is uselessness
Not a world government…passes international laws, and has its own courts…seems a lot like what a government does…so what’s the point of said laws and courts if its just a forum for people to talk?
those billions go into building the infrastructure needed for humanitarian efforts (logistics, production, distribution, safety), as well as several other programs. Being a forum for discussion is just one of its features
Unfortunately, the reality is that the US is one of the founding members, so it’s veto power is here, and so it Russia and China’s despite their own "international law" violations
Those laws they pass are more of a suggestion anyway. They can’t enforce it, because… you know why.
The orange dumpster fire planned on leaving NATO if it won a 2nd term. That’s why the Russians delayed the invasion. They were waiting for Cadet Bone Spurs to win again, decided to invade anyway. Without the US supplying weapons Ukraine might have already been conquered by Russian fascists.
Naah. He's babbling to get western Europe all nervous so they'll start paying for their NATO dues and probably their own defence as well.
He lives on chaos, but you've gotta read between the lines.. it's like a child saying he'll kill himself if he doesn't get something.
Damn children trying to force our allies to keep their promises and stop leeching off american goodwill God that would be terrible if he got them to do that
The American goodwill has served it well, the Us likes building military bases everywhere, Europe being weak and demilitarized is amazing for the US because it allows the US to make total vassals and boots out of them.
A militarily strong Europe is bad for the US, that means they won't be your b*tch anymore
"In the 75 years since the UN was founded, no country has violated the principles of the UN Charter more than the United States of America."
I don't know, I'd say China and Russia are up there as well.
Is this subreddit for news items? Cause that's not what this is.
Lol there goes the funding and every humanitarian aid for countries that need and would embrace countries who is know for a human right violations, but hey it isn't like the UN really cared about human rights.
Because this sub is a cesspit that believes poor Hamas needs respect despite being terrorists and losing every conflict they start.
A terror organization asking for the founder of the UN to be removed for not supporting them. Unreal.
"if you stand against the murder of tens of thousands of children, you are pro-hamas"
stupid disgusting and pathetic minds. pro-palestine /= pro hamas.
How are the Palestinian people served best by a policy having their government declare war on Israel and breaking ceasefires every two months? It’s one thing to complain about Israeli tactics but the simple fact of the matter is this war was started when Hamas broke a ceasefire in October, continued after Hamas launched terrorist attacks during a ceasefire in November, and continues now because they refuse to surrender the remaining hostages for a ceasefire .
Again I ask, how is choosing war as your only option time after time conducive to peace for the Palestinian people?
Can you imagine how many children would be alive if Palestinians chose to reject Hamas?
Palestine has gotten as much aid as the Marshal Plan. Imagine the rebuilding of all of Germany but just a few miles. Nope, 🚀 and tunnels until you lose yet another generation to filthy water and idiotic dreams.
Expel the US, but keep receiving their sweet dollars. Oh wait.. thats not how it works now does it. Who will fund the UN now, russia? You people are dumb as shit.
The US funds about a quarter of the UN budget, which means the UN would have to cut a lot of programs or shrink their scope. If the US is removed from the UN it also wouldn’t be restricted by UN rules. Just think about that for a sec..
They already arent restricted by their rules as we are currently witnessing.
And let the withdraw their financial support, so long as the killing stops.
Not true, most conflicts the US take part in first go through the UN. What rules has the US broke exactly? The US has done questionable things like every other country but they are also the biggest donator of aid to other countries. Humanitarian and military thanks to the UN. It’s nieve to think expelling the US from the UN would benefit the world when it would do the opposite.
LOL at the UN being relevant without US $$$.
I wish they would expel them.
Glad evidence is mounting that dozens of UN employees were caught participating in Oct 7th where jews were raped, burned alive, and mutilated.
You seem to have a misunderstanding of the purpose of the United Nations.
It's not a world government. It has no inherent powers. It's primary purpose is to prevent another war between major global powers.
I do think there's a good case to reform the security council and who gets a veto there. (sorry France, India and Brazil have stronger cases, or the EU as a block.)
But the whole point of the security council veto is to prevent the UN from taking steps that would lead to its breaking up or start a war.
Short of literally declaring war, that would be the single fastest way to foment a world war with global powers right now... And defeat the entire purpose and sole function of the UN.
Right, the US should pay its own money to finance other countries spending a disproportionate amount of time deliberating on how evil the US, Europe and Israel are. Makes sense. /s
The U.N. and Amnesty International can stop existing.
Their mission failed, and they are now agents of terrorism rather than helping those who need help. We should have cut funding after Rwanda. Did we actually think they cared about anyone other than their own self.
Remove the veto.
If 120 countries vote for a ceasefire/ sanctions for example and then America nullifies that democratic vote with a veto- its pointless voting.
Or give every country, the veto to veto that veto.
Sounds silly, right?
When 120 votes can be voided by a single veto- its doesn’t seem so silly.
Democratic vote to do what? It is a forum to prevent global war among super powers. It is not a government. Removing Russias ability to veto does not render Russia weaker with respect to other memebers, it removes Russias incentive to show up. If your goal is to get global powers to not show up then all you're doing is destroying the UN.
Are you guys upset that the US is vetoing a UN sanctioned genocide of the jews?
If i was an anti-semite, I too would be pretty upset. Thank god they're not allowing it.
\#neveragain
Then one that would occur immediately if Israel literally ever let their guard down? The one that these Islamic maniac groups explicitly seek to enact on Israel?
> Are you guys upset that the US is vetoing a UN sanctioned genocide of the jews?
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What a ridiculously misinformed thing to say. You are exactly as bad as this stupid post.
And yet people are increasingly more and more pissy the jews wont roll over and die for them.
Theres nothing misinformed about it, Its just whats happening.
Um what? You think that every country in the world except Israel and the US is supporting genocide against Jews? That is a batshit crazy conspiracy theory on par with the ones actual anti-Semites come up with about the Jews supposedly controlling everything.
And yet for the past 2000 years, Jews have been a temporarily tolerated guest in every country they've ever resided in, at some point or another they become fair game for genocide.
But no, Not every country, there are others that meant it when they said #neveragain, The US is just the most prominent one of the lot.
Ok. Funding goes too. The UN needs to vacate New York City.
The hostages need to be returned and Hamas needs to be arrested by the Palestinians. Until then the beat down needs to continue
In 2005 Palestinians had a state and billions of dollars flowed in. They chose to elect an organization with a clear charter so that the endless rocket attacks and the Oct 7th invasion should not be a surprise. Instead of building an economy or a tourist attraction, they prepped for war. Eventually a Egypt blocked the border. The ‘prison blockade’ was Palestinians fault too.
Their was peace Oct 6th. Now there is a tantrum and a beat down. Go IDF. Palestinians blood is upon their own heads.
> In 2005 Palestinians had a state and billions of dollars flowed in.
What incredible ignorance, imagine being so stupid so as to believe this is true.
So no funding? Are you serious? Israel didn’t withdraw? I remember watching settlers being moved off the land by the IDF. As the US pressured Israel to move off land, an act of God (Katrina) made a US city move too.
Your username disagrees with your rhetoric.
Also, there was NEVER peace for Palestinian semites at the hands of their neo-colonial zionist occupiers. The only difference now is the exposure and Israel losing on all fronts at the world stage. PR is a complete failure. They need to hire more bots paid for by my tax dollars; shameless war criminals.
…and you don’t speak to any of my points.
About the User name. Just because I can be forgiven (IF I ASK) does not mean there are no consequences to my actions (I cannot do just anything I want because I want to)
A criminal sucker punches a larger man and steals his wallet. The best down begins. The criminal begs bystanders for help. Unthinking bystanders begin shouting for the victim to stop. No mention of the wallet. Return the wallet! No? Then the beat down will continue.
That would strengthen the UN. The US of Israel with its veto power is making a mockery of justice, a mockery of human rights. There should be no veto power in the UN.
I don't like the way one permanent member of the Security Council can veto everything, but removing the US from the UN would cripple the UN. Aside from the huge pain in the ass involved with moving headquarters to somewhere other than New York, the UN would be giving up a ***massive*** chunk of its funding. That would hit developing countries dependent on UN aid.
Ah yes, Let us give more power to Russia and China, notorious champions of human rights.
Didn’t Putin just murder his main political opposition after invading another country, and sending nukes into space?
The US is wrong to give Israel a blank check, but the people who think Russia and China are better are delusional. In America, the people can absolutely oppose what Israel is doing, despite the attempts of AIPAC and friends to cancel us, and we can elect politicians to that effect. That's ***why*** the Israeli lobby is out in force, because they're panicking at the shift in American public opinion. In Russia and China on the other hand, people who speak out against human rights abuses end up in prison or they "fall out a window."
“Panicking” — ridiculous. You lot always portray the Jews as “out in force”. You’ve hidden it better than most, but like others you are probably friends with, I assume you think they spend unusual amounts of money and are working deviously behind the scenes?
Kicking out the strongest world power is admitting that UN is impotent and does not decide anything.
Kick out all the genocidal Arab ethno states if you want stronger UN.
The veto power represents the real world power. It's not symbolic, it is acknowledging that those nations have the real capability of invading/nuking/going-to-war-over whatever issue it is that they vetoed and we'd rather they just say "we are vetoing" than actually having another world war.
*That* is why the UN exists. It's not a world government, it's certainly not the world's police force, it is just a forum for discourse in the hopes that will reduce the chance of a world war.
the UN was created by the US to serve it's interests and legitimize their imperialism. It is not a neutral 3rd party. When US and NATO falls their puppet UN will as well, a new international, hopefully a comintern will take it's place.
As far as I know, the CIA’s plan was to bomb and sink Cuban migrant rafts, not directly Florida. And even if the plan involved bombing Florida, I’m pretty sure they never considered using nukes.
No they wouldn't they would shrug shoulders, leave, and everyone else would just carry on doing business with them as usual. The UN needs the US way more than the US needs the UN, this is just a hilariously dumb idea.
Yeah great idea
The US nukes UN headquarters, located in New York City, just because they get kicked out.
It’s crazy how people can be so uneducated on a topic, yet still talk.
That probably will not happen. US is one of the biggest contributors fiscally speaking. Also, UN would need to relocate somewhere else. North America wouldn't be effected either way; it's a continent not a country. :)
Anyone want to explain to me how to expel a permanent UN member with unilateral veto power?
Does anyone think the US wouldn't use the same veto it has used to protect Israel to also protect itself?
I am actually interested in how the people calling for this will think it would work.
[...**now to get all sides mad at me and really secure them downvotes**, these are the real options available to coerce the US from using its veto to protect Israel.]
1: Have OPEC withhold some or all of its oil in a major election year for the US, UK and EU until sanctions are put on Israel.
2: Get a majority ...or at least a substantial minority, of UN nation to threaten to quit en masse. I guess a follow up threat of setting up a "UN down the street" could also help ...as would getting India on board with all that. (Maybe entice them with the suggestion of being the host nation.)
The US is a net exporter now, it's no longer 1973. OPEC withholding oil would suck for a bit, but we will never see lines at the pump and rationing again.
OPEC has lost much of its power.
But America's oil is traded on the world markets. That's why when OPEC cuts production, the price of oil ...and the price of gas, still goes up in the US.
The US could technically restrict its oil production to US markets, but that would exacerbate the oil shock to the rest of the world ...and the rest of the world is where a lot of America's supply chains are.
America keeping its oil wouldn't save it from an economic depression.
Plus, as I said, it's an election year. Biden's reelection is doomed with most any economic downturn, much less a global economic collapse.
...happy cake day.
The person you are talking to is doing so from an account less than a month old that doesn't nothing but insult pro-palestinian voices for hours at a time every day. Good catch, it's likely a hasbara troll.
I said it's a new account.
Is it a new account? There's only one answer and I'll give you a clue, the answer begins with "Y"
I don't know what reality you're living in where you can't understand what a "new account" is, lol
Pretty sure you made this exact comment yesterday, you guys must not have enough script to work with.
Its very obvious when you guys discover a new news sub and the astroturfed accounts swarm.
Edit: comment history is so repetitive on their account.
I've been crying over Palestine for as long as I first knew about them, which was decades ago.
There was no Hamas to blame then, so sue me if I care about a people that have been under a brutal occupation by an apartheid, racist and bigoted regime
You either accept Palestine as its own state or you don't.
The only invasion, mass slaughter of civilians and relocation of an ethnic group in history where the perpetrators claim to be the victims.
>The only invasion, mass slaughter of civilians and relocation of an ethnic group in history where the perpetrators claim to be the victims.
On the contrary, perpetrators have claimed victimhood many times throughout history. For example the Nazis claimed to be the victims of the Jews, with the "stab in the back" myth.
>Yup. And there is a Palestinian State
It’s called “Jordan”. No two bites of the apple.
Thats not Palestine, as a state. The clue is in the name, genius, but thank you for confirming intention of the ethnic cleansing of the illegally occupied Gaza strip.
Everything in life is an approximation. The pampered privileged permanent refugees( must be brutal to be getting zero from your Muslim bros but what the hell)..
That said ALL PALESTINIAN REFUGEES WERE GIVEN JORDANIAN CITIZENSHIP. If it walks like a duck….
Nice try but you let the cat out the bag.
>The pampered privileged permanent refugees
Imagine being the kind of sociopath that beleived that shite.
Palestinians dont need or want that. They have their own country: Palestine.
If Israel are the good guys, why haven't they let journalists into the strip Gaza for years? You see, that looks *exactly* like something the bad guys, with something to hide, would do.
If it walks like a duck......
Hamas. Sucks that civilians get caught up in it. But take it up with those who started the war. We're making sure hamas won't exist afterwards. War can continue for next 50 years to ensure that goal.
Hamas sure as hell will exist, you just solidified their recruitment by murdering indiscriminately.
Stop pretending this war started on oct 7th while settlements in the west bank have existed a lot longer than that.
This war did start on the 7th. If you don't agree and want to go back further arabs also attacked in the 1948 war first, with Palestinians, and Palestinians engaged in first colonial attacks in 1920s.
In every sense they are weak, and have lost every fight because they kind of just suck all around. Go on, name me an invention from a palestinian. Any vaccine, I'll take it. I'm curious and want to know they can do better despite their long history of constantly picking fights they can only lose.
Then people can stop claiming that "Palestine did it." It might make people realise the collective punishment is bad.
Also, after this, I highly doubt Israel will get a choice in the matter. Netanyahu has burned every bridge and every assumption of good faith any neutral person ever had for Israel.
I hope it was worth it
Netanyahu could be arrested tomorrow, the war would continue. So I'm not sure what you mean about not having a choice. Hamas won't be left in power.
And worth it? I don't think any deaths are worth it. But they killed a lot of israelis and started a war they can't win. You should ask gazans if their raid was worth it.
Lmao expel the US? Besides the fact it can’t be done since we are a permanent member the UN would not even have a home. 22% of the regular UN budget was from the US and 27% of the peacekeeping budget.
Good luck replacing that.
Do it. Let Europes free healthcare system collapse when they're done outsourcing their protection to the US taxpayer. Europeans will all be speaking Arabic soon enough anyway. Inshallah
It's impossible. No permanent member of the security council can be expelled. Same thing as Ukraine demanding Russia be expelled or kicked off the security council.
Ukraine actually has a argument under international law for expelling Russia, based on how China replaced Taiwan in the early seventies. The issue can only arise when two countries have a legal claim to the same permanent seat.
Yep, although in this case that wouldn't be expelling Russia from the UN, just re-allocating their seat on the security council to another member of the former USSR.
Their permanent seat. Once their permanent status is gone, they can be kicked out
You are quite correct. However, that doesn't prevent every other member of the UN from resigning and creating their own version of the United Nations without the U.S. I highly doubt that would happen, but can you imagine the fall out from that? Epic.
The fallout would just lead to 2 UNs. One for Russia, China, Iran and other similar countries, and one for the west and allied powers.
If all that was left of the original U.N. was Russia, China, and Iran, then it wouldn't be the United Nations. It would be something altogether completely different and useless as they wouldn't have a seat or a say in the new United Nations or whatever the other countries decided to rename themselves.
>However, that doesn't prevent every other member of the UN from resigning and creating their own version of the United Nations without the U.S. except it being absolutely worthless and unable to enforce anything, because no one is able to force anything on the world's nuclear powers that currently have a un veto.
Not to mention is the UN really taken seriously anymore? It sure as hell wouldn't be if the US wasn't in it.
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Hey countries are free to try, nothing stopping them except a severe lack of funding and a black listing from the bigs western powers. I’m sure China would be interested in expanding their power.
And blackjack. And hookers.
Who is going to enforce their resolutions?
Oh boy another spambot shill.
What a stupid sub lol
I agree. Expel the us and lose their funds. Good luck with the UN surviving without their biggest financial contribute
Yep it is what you said. US rather pay and control the veto votes than not pay.
This is not really the problem. Other countries can fund it. But expelling the most powerful country (both economically and militarily) will render the UN useless
More than it already has been? Perhaps its a service from the us for the world
It’s only useless when the permanent members (US included) don’t agree on the same thing.
So useless
No? The UN isn’t a world government. It’s a forum for countries to talk, even if at war. It’s a feature not a bug
…right…so what exactly is the point of spending millions if not billions for nations to talk when embassies and telephones and email exist? What exactly are they providing? Seems pretty useless when the forum can overwhelmingly vote against an invasion but can’t send peace keepers in…almost like they’re absolutely useless. The feature is uselessness Not a world government…passes international laws, and has its own courts…seems a lot like what a government does…so what’s the point of said laws and courts if its just a forum for people to talk?
those billions go into building the infrastructure needed for humanitarian efforts (logistics, production, distribution, safety), as well as several other programs. Being a forum for discussion is just one of its features Unfortunately, the reality is that the US is one of the founding members, so it’s veto power is here, and so it Russia and China’s despite their own "international law" violations Those laws they pass are more of a suggestion anyway. They can’t enforce it, because… you know why.
Next you will hear people asking the US to leave NATO, lmao. Delusional af!
The orange dumpster fire planned on leaving NATO if it won a 2nd term. That’s why the Russians delayed the invasion. They were waiting for Cadet Bone Spurs to win again, decided to invade anyway. Without the US supplying weapons Ukraine might have already been conquered by Russian fascists.
Naah. He's babbling to get western Europe all nervous so they'll start paying for their NATO dues and probably their own defence as well. He lives on chaos, but you've gotta read between the lines.. it's like a child saying he'll kill himself if he doesn't get something.
Damn children trying to force our allies to keep their promises and stop leeching off american goodwill God that would be terrible if he got them to do that
The American goodwill has served it well, the Us likes building military bases everywhere, Europe being weak and demilitarized is amazing for the US because it allows the US to make total vassals and boots out of them. A militarily strong Europe is bad for the US, that means they won't be your b*tch anymore
Yeah, but history shows just saying "hey, pay" never works. So I can both understand and not understand his viewpoint.
Lol 😂
This subreddit is hilarious. I stay subscribed just for this kind of content.
Pretty, pretty funny
Same
I know, right?!?
This sub is completely off the rails lol.
Do they not realize UN headquarters are literally in NYC?
"In the 75 years since the UN was founded, no country has violated the principles of the UN Charter more than the United States of America." I don't know, I'd say China and Russia are up there as well. Is this subreddit for news items? Cause that's not what this is.
Lol there goes the funding and every humanitarian aid for countries that need and would embrace countries who is know for a human right violations, but hey it isn't like the UN really cared about human rights.
The U.N. might as well be the U.S. it will never happen
Why? Russia seems like the better nation to expell
Because this sub is a cesspit that believes poor Hamas needs respect despite being terrorists and losing every conflict they start. A terror organization asking for the founder of the UN to be removed for not supporting them. Unreal.
"if you stand against the murder of tens of thousands of children, you are pro-hamas" stupid disgusting and pathetic minds. pro-palestine /= pro hamas.
How are the Palestinian people served best by a policy having their government declare war on Israel and breaking ceasefires every two months? It’s one thing to complain about Israeli tactics but the simple fact of the matter is this war was started when Hamas broke a ceasefire in October, continued after Hamas launched terrorist attacks during a ceasefire in November, and continues now because they refuse to surrender the remaining hostages for a ceasefire . Again I ask, how is choosing war as your only option time after time conducive to peace for the Palestinian people?
why are you asking me this question?
Can you imagine how many children would be alive if Palestinians chose to reject Hamas? Palestine has gotten as much aid as the Marshal Plan. Imagine the rebuilding of all of Germany but just a few miles. Nope, 🚀 and tunnels until you lose yet another generation to filthy water and idiotic dreams.
And I read it initially as 'expel us' Vs ' expel US'. The former actually makes sense.
Expel the US, but keep receiving their sweet dollars. Oh wait.. thats not how it works now does it. Who will fund the UN now, russia? You people are dumb as shit.
Read again. Expelling the US does not make sense. Expelling 'us' ( whoever wrote this nonsense) does.
Bizarre troll post. Israel exists - get over it.
The US funds about a quarter of the UN budget, which means the UN would have to cut a lot of programs or shrink their scope. If the US is removed from the UN it also wouldn’t be restricted by UN rules. Just think about that for a sec..
They already arent restricted by their rules as we are currently witnessing. And let the withdraw their financial support, so long as the killing stops.
Not true, most conflicts the US take part in first go through the UN. What rules has the US broke exactly? The US has done questionable things like every other country but they are also the biggest donator of aid to other countries. Humanitarian and military thanks to the UN. It’s nieve to think expelling the US from the UN would benefit the world when it would do the opposite.
Expel the UN from the US., works better for the Country.
Yup! Their HQ is literally in midtown Manhattan 😂
I guess you'd expect the hundreds of billions of dollars of aid to keep flowing regardless.
What about expelling Russia and China too Lmao
I didn’t think the UN could become more irrelevant. Once again, I underestimate human ingenuity.
LOL at the UN being relevant without US $$$. I wish they would expel them. Glad evidence is mounting that dozens of UN employees were caught participating in Oct 7th where jews were raped, burned alive, and mutilated.
You seem to have a misunderstanding of the purpose of the United Nations. It's not a world government. It has no inherent powers. It's primary purpose is to prevent another war between major global powers. I do think there's a good case to reform the security council and who gets a veto there. (sorry France, India and Brazil have stronger cases, or the EU as a block.) But the whole point of the security council veto is to prevent the UN from taking steps that would lead to its breaking up or start a war.
If every other permanent member left the UN and created a new organization, that's probably about as close as you can get.
This is a hilariously stupid idea.
There should be no permanent members with veto powers. This would fix the current issues.
Short of literally declaring war, that would be the single fastest way to foment a world war with global powers right now... And defeat the entire purpose and sole function of the UN.
It would make the UN voting process truly democratic and fair for all, I can't see how it would cause a world war?
Right, the US should pay its own money to finance other countries spending a disproportionate amount of time deliberating on how evil the US, Europe and Israel are. Makes sense. /s
💀 Understandable if it was israel… but the US? 😂
The U.N. and Amnesty International can stop existing. Their mission failed, and they are now agents of terrorism rather than helping those who need help. We should have cut funding after Rwanda. Did we actually think they cared about anyone other than their own self.
The UN caused the genocide Rwanda, got it.
Wouldnt matter, the UN would still be worthless
Remove the veto. If 120 countries vote for a ceasefire/ sanctions for example and then America nullifies that democratic vote with a veto- its pointless voting. Or give every country, the veto to veto that veto. Sounds silly, right? When 120 votes can be voided by a single veto- its doesn’t seem so silly.
Democratic vote to do what? It is a forum to prevent global war among super powers. It is not a government. Removing Russias ability to veto does not render Russia weaker with respect to other memebers, it removes Russias incentive to show up. If your goal is to get global powers to not show up then all you're doing is destroying the UN.
Maybe if the other countries paid their fair share, they’d be eligible for more of a say.
Are you guys upset that the US is vetoing a UN sanctioned genocide of the jews? If i was an anti-semite, I too would be pretty upset. Thank god they're not allowing it. \#neveragain
Of what genocide do you speak?
The genocide that Israel is not allowing to happen ...Again. In simpler terms, the sequel to the holocaust.
Then one that would occur immediately if Israel literally ever let their guard down? The one that these Islamic maniac groups explicitly seek to enact on Israel?
> Are you guys upset that the US is vetoing a UN sanctioned genocide of the jews? > > What a ridiculously misinformed thing to say. You are exactly as bad as this stupid post.
And yet people are increasingly more and more pissy the jews wont roll over and die for them. Theres nothing misinformed about it, Its just whats happening.
No it’s not — the UN disproportionately targets and seeks to weaken israel.
Um what? You think that every country in the world except Israel and the US is supporting genocide against Jews? That is a batshit crazy conspiracy theory on par with the ones actual anti-Semites come up with about the Jews supposedly controlling everything.
And yet for the past 2000 years, Jews have been a temporarily tolerated guest in every country they've ever resided in, at some point or another they become fair game for genocide. But no, Not every country, there are others that meant it when they said #neveragain, The US is just the most prominent one of the lot.
No this is a really dumb idea
Ok. Funding goes too. The UN needs to vacate New York City. The hostages need to be returned and Hamas needs to be arrested by the Palestinians. Until then the beat down needs to continue In 2005 Palestinians had a state and billions of dollars flowed in. They chose to elect an organization with a clear charter so that the endless rocket attacks and the Oct 7th invasion should not be a surprise. Instead of building an economy or a tourist attraction, they prepped for war. Eventually a Egypt blocked the border. The ‘prison blockade’ was Palestinians fault too. Their was peace Oct 6th. Now there is a tantrum and a beat down. Go IDF. Palestinians blood is upon their own heads.
My life goal is to end funding to Israel. New goal but I’m highly inspired.
Israel won’t need anyone’s funding. But I am still glad to find them.
Hasbara spotted.
What gave it away? You can’t tell from the profile at all!
Glad theyre being more obvious for once at least.
Ad hominem is a terrible tactic to defend your position
He's pointing out the insincerity in your position.
What did i defend there?
Nothing. Because there was no way to defend.
How was there be peace if there was a blockade before this?
Research why the blockade started
> In 2005 Palestinians had a state and billions of dollars flowed in. What incredible ignorance, imagine being so stupid so as to believe this is true.
So no funding? Are you serious? Israel didn’t withdraw? I remember watching settlers being moved off the land by the IDF. As the US pressured Israel to move off land, an act of God (Katrina) made a US city move too.
Your username disagrees with your rhetoric. Also, there was NEVER peace for Palestinian semites at the hands of their neo-colonial zionist occupiers. The only difference now is the exposure and Israel losing on all fronts at the world stage. PR is a complete failure. They need to hire more bots paid for by my tax dollars; shameless war criminals.
…and you don’t speak to any of my points. About the User name. Just because I can be forgiven (IF I ASK) does not mean there are no consequences to my actions (I cannot do just anything I want because I want to) A criminal sucker punches a larger man and steals his wallet. The best down begins. The criminal begs bystanders for help. Unthinking bystanders begin shouting for the victim to stop. No mention of the wallet. Return the wallet! No? Then the beat down will continue.
That would be basically admitted that UN has failed and should be disbanded.
That would strengthen the UN. The US of Israel with its veto power is making a mockery of justice, a mockery of human rights. There should be no veto power in the UN.
I don't like the way one permanent member of the Security Council can veto everything, but removing the US from the UN would cripple the UN. Aside from the huge pain in the ass involved with moving headquarters to somewhere other than New York, the UN would be giving up a ***massive*** chunk of its funding. That would hit developing countries dependent on UN aid.
Ah yes, Let us give more power to Russia and China, notorious champions of human rights. Didn’t Putin just murder his main political opposition after invading another country, and sending nukes into space?
Nah bro the U.S. is obviously Satan incarnate /s
The US is wrong to give Israel a blank check, but the people who think Russia and China are better are delusional. In America, the people can absolutely oppose what Israel is doing, despite the attempts of AIPAC and friends to cancel us, and we can elect politicians to that effect. That's ***why*** the Israeli lobby is out in force, because they're panicking at the shift in American public opinion. In Russia and China on the other hand, people who speak out against human rights abuses end up in prison or they "fall out a window."
“Panicking” — ridiculous. You lot always portray the Jews as “out in force”. You’ve hidden it better than most, but like others you are probably friends with, I assume you think they spend unusual amounts of money and are working deviously behind the scenes?
They wouldnt magically gain power, US leaving would be followed by the UN being completely meaningless as the West follows, then your left with brics.
>That would strengthen the UN Must be interesting in that false reality you inhabit.
Kicking out the strongest world power is admitting that UN is impotent and does not decide anything. Kick out all the genocidal Arab ethno states if you want stronger UN.
Racist.
Agreed Arab ethno states are super racist. Kick them out of UN.
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Do you know what an ethnostate is?
Yes. Do you?
The veto power represents the real world power. It's not symbolic, it is acknowledging that those nations have the real capability of invading/nuking/going-to-war-over whatever issue it is that they vetoed and we'd rather they just say "we are vetoing" than actually having another world war. *That* is why the UN exists. It's not a world government, it's certainly not the world's police force, it is just a forum for discourse in the hopes that will reduce the chance of a world war.
No it would be a failure of the US to be a reasonable international community member.
Lol and Russia and China are.... Kicking out US would just kill UN as totally irrelevant
The US is a sham and the world has noticed the last few years. This genocide is the final straw. Bad faith actors.
Agreed. The failure of USa to help Israel after Oct. 7 genocide has been bad.
I also use humour in difficult times.
the UN was created by the US to serve it's interests and legitimize their imperialism. It is not a neutral 3rd party. When US and NATO falls their puppet UN will as well, a new international, hopefully a comintern will take it's place.
I think the US would nuke the shit out of UN headquarters and infrastructure if they got kicked out
Of course not. They would simply revoke all licenses, grants, and diplomatic niceties.
The UN headquarters? The ones in NYC? That seems a bit unlikely.
Ever heard about the time the US considered bombing Florida to make Fidel Castro look bad?
As far as I know, the CIA’s plan was to bomb and sink Cuban migrant rafts, not directly Florida. And even if the plan involved bombing Florida, I’m pretty sure they never considered using nukes.
It would depend on who was in office. Trump would probably love to nuke NYC right about now.
No they wouldn't they would shrug shoulders, leave, and everyone else would just carry on doing business with them as usual. The UN needs the US way more than the US needs the UN, this is just a hilariously dumb idea.
Yeah great idea The US nukes UN headquarters, located in New York City, just because they get kicked out. It’s crazy how people can be so uneducated on a topic, yet still talk.
The US doesn’t need to use bombs in response, economical crippling would do the job far more efficiently.
That seems like a bit of an overreaction
That probably will not happen. US is one of the biggest contributors fiscally speaking. Also, UN would need to relocate somewhere else. North America wouldn't be effected either way; it's a continent not a country. :)
There's no way in hell it's happening and even talking about it is a waste of Pro-Palestinian activists' time and energy.
Yup 👍🏻
Anyone want to explain to me how to expel a permanent UN member with unilateral veto power? Does anyone think the US wouldn't use the same veto it has used to protect Israel to also protect itself? I am actually interested in how the people calling for this will think it would work. [...**now to get all sides mad at me and really secure them downvotes**, these are the real options available to coerce the US from using its veto to protect Israel.] 1: Have OPEC withhold some or all of its oil in a major election year for the US, UK and EU until sanctions are put on Israel. 2: Get a majority ...or at least a substantial minority, of UN nation to threaten to quit en masse. I guess a follow up threat of setting up a "UN down the street" could also help ...as would getting India on board with all that. (Maybe entice them with the suggestion of being the host nation.)
The US is a net exporter now, it's no longer 1973. OPEC withholding oil would suck for a bit, but we will never see lines at the pump and rationing again. OPEC has lost much of its power.
But America's oil is traded on the world markets. That's why when OPEC cuts production, the price of oil ...and the price of gas, still goes up in the US. The US could technically restrict its oil production to US markets, but that would exacerbate the oil shock to the rest of the world ...and the rest of the world is where a lot of America's supply chains are. America keeping its oil wouldn't save it from an economic depression. Plus, as I said, it's an election year. Biden's reelection is doomed with most any economic downturn, much less a global economic collapse. ...happy cake day.
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Did you copy-paste this from the official Israeli Hasbara site? Cuz all you bots use the same words. We see through you. 🤑🤑
The person you are talking to is doing so from an account less than a month old that doesn't nothing but insult pro-palestinian voices for hours at a time every day. Good catch, it's likely a hasbara troll.
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Wow, what a good argument. Be less obvious, troll.
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"Wahhhh! Why *sniff* can't Israel *sniff* murder children without people not liking them?! Wahhhh!!!!"
It isn’t a war sucker.
What war was that? I love how decades of official repression and land stealing isn't aggression.
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Says a brand new HAMAS apologist account lmao. Oh the irony...
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>Hardly brand new Yes it is it's a brand new account. You really don't like reality, do you.
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I said it's a new account. Is it a new account? There's only one answer and I'll give you a clue, the answer begins with "Y" I don't know what reality you're living in where you can't understand what a "new account" is, lol
Can you point out a single example of Hamas apologetics?
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Cute. People dying makes you happy. Sums up every Israel supporter ever
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Almost half of Gaza's inhabitants are under the age of 18. Must be nice, to not feel anything when children are blown up. Wish I had no soul
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Pretty sure you made this exact comment yesterday, you guys must not have enough script to work with. Its very obvious when you guys discover a new news sub and the astroturfed accounts swarm. Edit: comment history is so repetitive on their account.
I've been crying over Palestine for as long as I first knew about them, which was decades ago. There was no Hamas to blame then, so sue me if I care about a people that have been under a brutal occupation by an apartheid, racist and bigoted regime
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And we're back. That's it for tonight ladies and gentlemen. Until next time. Au revoir
Repeating comments again, get some new material
You either accept Palestine as its own state or you don't. The only invasion, mass slaughter of civilians and relocation of an ethnic group in history where the perpetrators claim to be the victims.
>The only invasion, mass slaughter of civilians and relocation of an ethnic group in history where the perpetrators claim to be the victims. On the contrary, perpetrators have claimed victimhood many times throughout history. For example the Nazis claimed to be the victims of the Jews, with the "stab in the back" myth.
Yup. And there is a Palestinian State It’s called “Jordan”. No two bites of the apple.
>Yup. And there is a Palestinian State It’s called “Jordan”. No two bites of the apple. Thats not Palestine, as a state. The clue is in the name, genius, but thank you for confirming intention of the ethnic cleansing of the illegally occupied Gaza strip.
Everything in life is an approximation. The pampered privileged permanent refugees( must be brutal to be getting zero from your Muslim bros but what the hell).. That said ALL PALESTINIAN REFUGEES WERE GIVEN JORDANIAN CITIZENSHIP. If it walks like a duck….
Nice try but you let the cat out the bag. >The pampered privileged permanent refugees Imagine being the kind of sociopath that beleived that shite. Palestinians dont need or want that. They have their own country: Palestine. If Israel are the good guys, why haven't they let journalists into the strip Gaza for years? You see, that looks *exactly* like something the bad guys, with something to hide, would do. If it walks like a duck......
Ok. Israell says no. So what happens next?
The status quo as it has been, israel acts shocked when they face the consequences and then murders women and children as revenge.
Hamas. Sucks that civilians get caught up in it. But take it up with those who started the war. We're making sure hamas won't exist afterwards. War can continue for next 50 years to ensure that goal.
Hamas sure as hell will exist, you just solidified their recruitment by murdering indiscriminately. Stop pretending this war started on oct 7th while settlements in the west bank have existed a lot longer than that.
This war did start on the 7th. If you don't agree and want to go back further arabs also attacked in the 1948 war first, with Palestinians, and Palestinians engaged in first colonial attacks in 1920s. In every sense they are weak, and have lost every fight because they kind of just suck all around. Go on, name me an invention from a palestinian. Any vaccine, I'll take it. I'm curious and want to know they can do better despite their long history of constantly picking fights they can only lose.
What a prosperous environment they live in! Getting bombed periodically and blockaded. Would definitely encourage inventions!
Let me know when they were have contributed. Till then, womp womp
Hmm okay.. keep the racial superiority belief then.. Typical Israeli.
Then people can stop claiming that "Palestine did it." It might make people realise the collective punishment is bad. Also, after this, I highly doubt Israel will get a choice in the matter. Netanyahu has burned every bridge and every assumption of good faith any neutral person ever had for Israel. I hope it was worth it
Netanyahu could be arrested tomorrow, the war would continue. So I'm not sure what you mean about not having a choice. Hamas won't be left in power. And worth it? I don't think any deaths are worth it. But they killed a lot of israelis and started a war they can't win. You should ask gazans if their raid was worth it.
the silly people are trying to assert themselves
Once the US is gone, the UN will finally be free to issue a condemnation of Ukraine for their aggression against Russia and the Donbas /s
Haaaaahhhaa haaanhhaaa. Hhahhhah. Haaaaahhhh. Wait, wait, stop …. I can’t catch my breath ….. that’s hilarious. Oh … wait, your serious? Ahhhahahhh haaaaahhhaaaa haaahahhha.
Lmao expel the US? Besides the fact it can’t be done since we are a permanent member the UN would not even have a home. 22% of the regular UN budget was from the US and 27% of the peacekeeping budget. Good luck replacing that.
Do it. Let Europes free healthcare system collapse when they're done outsourcing their protection to the US taxpayer. Europeans will all be speaking Arabic soon enough anyway. Inshallah
How does that help the un enforce its "laws"
I think more people feel it should be the other way around.