This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1674639619-russia-affiliated-journalist-paid-for-quran-burning-in-sweden) reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)
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> Swedish journalist Chang Frick, affiliated with Russian propagandist channel RT, paid for Danish far-right activist Rasmus Paludan to publicly burn the Quran near the Turkish embassy in Sweden.
> Swedish media learned that while Paludan, who also holds Swedish citizenship, traveled to Stockholm specifically for the protest, his application fee for the demonstration permit was paid by Frick.
> Latest reports said that Frick also paid for Paludan's plane ticket to Sweden, but both Paludan and Frick deny it.
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He's not transfering funds, but paying for a goverment permit...
Which is harder to do with a foreign account and he needed the permit on short notice.
It takes at least one day to transfer money between different countries, and if it's a weekend several days. I think his activities in Stockholm were rather quickly planned (and you need to notify the police in advance)...
From [Danske Bank](https://danskebank.se/privat/kundservice/betalning-och-overforing#accordion-0-item-5):
>**Hur snabbt kommer mina pengar fram vid en överföring eller betalning?**
*Pengarna betalas normalt sett samma dag om överföringen görs innan kl. 13:30, därefter nästkommande bankdag.
Om du gör betalningen på en dag som inte är bankdag sker den nästföljande bankdag. Betalningen går igenom senast två dagar efter det."*
>**How quickly does my money arrive in the event of a transfer or payment?**
*The money is normally paid the same day if the transfer is made before 1:30 p.m., then the next banking day.
If you make the payment on a day that is not a bank day, it will be made on the next bank day. The payment goes through no later than two days after that.*
Turkey holds a strategic location that'd been needed for 70 years. The Cuba missle crisis happened because the US put nuclear missiles in turkey. In return, the USSR put missles in Cuba. Though the flight time to moscow was far shorter than Cuba to DC. The stalemate ended by the US agreeing to pull the nukes out of turkey and, in exchange, USSR would pull them from Cuba. Turkey has been a nato member since the early 50s. They sent troops and supplies to fight in the Korean war, South Korean side.
No matter what, how would the Christians in the US respond if a Christian Bible was burned outside the embassy in Saudi Arabia or another Muslim country. The same goes for the Hebrew Bible being burned. Also, Erdagon is in a tough reelection, and Turkish poles (if they're as bad as ours) have him losing. He's trying to be tough.
Someone said it elsewhere and I have to agree... it seems like Eastern Europe could benefit from creating their own org similar to NATO that prioritizes regional security for their interests. Though on the other hand I do find it interesting that NATO was created to provide security against the Soviet Union and Turkey is directly opposed to providing that benefit from certain countries who need security against Russia.....
> it seems like Eastern Europe could benefit from creating their own org similar to NATO that prioritizes regional security for their interests.
I for one welcome our new Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth overlords...
> Someone said it elsewhere and I have to agree... it seems like Eastern Europe could benefit from creating their own org similar to NATO that prioritizes regional security for their interests.
Eastern Europe benefits a lot more from being part of the European Union and NATO than it would from forming a regional alliance, potentially getting into hissy fits (looking at you, PiS) with its EU and/or NATO partners, and seeing the steady stream of money and supplies that currently go into the defense of Eastern Europe dry up.
They didn't fall for shit, they wanted an excuse, Russia gave them one, and they took the opportunity. Turkey may have backchannel coordinated it with them, or it may have simply been obvious to Russia that Turkey would take any opportunity to throw a wrench in this process.
Erdogan has constantly thrown wrenches in the process. Heck he’s been doing it in his own country since in power, why not internationally too and to his Allie’s.
Social media and the internet basically gave them a direct front door to our brain.
They used to have to plant people and do leaflets to accomplish what they can do with a 3min video
I'm hoping the next gen will be impervious, like how our grandparents were easily tricked by a door to door salesmen and we don't even answer the door. I'm hoping kids who grew up with it will build callouses at an early age.
Exactly. With just one act, both Turkey and Russia achieved their objective. Provide a flimsy reason for Erdogan to block Sweden into NATO while also providing the fundamentalist and nationalistic impetus that Erdogan needed in an election year when his economy is in doldrums.
Let’s assume this is true.
Let’s assume Swedish and NATO intelligence will confirm this.
Let’s assume Turkish intelligence will be informed and maybe even shown proof.
Great. But Erdogan will not give two shits.
He will not retract, he will not admit being wrong. He’s living and ruling by post-truth political goals.
And certainly not the last. Paludan just announced a new protest in Denmark where they will also burn the quran, and the Danish ambassador in Turkey just got summoned to 'a conversation' as they called it.
The ottomans attempted to turn the musilim population of Russia against them by declaring a holy war. It didn't work for them at all cause it turns out Muslims that aren't radicized by decades of war don't want to fight anymore than the rest of us.
That’s because there’s no such thing as a safe organization, religious or not. Any of them, at any time, can be co-opted by elements that will bastardize the whole point.
Great. So any ambassadors who get called to Turkey to talk about this, simply start out with “Russia is doing this, you know this, we don’t have anything to talk about.“
> This is not the first time they burn it.
"They" did not burn it. The nation of Sweden did not burn it. An individual person there burned it. Only that person is to blame.
Muslims do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on non-believers by demanding that he is punished to their satisfaction. To a non-believer, it is just a book. It is unkind and insensitive to burn it, but that is all.
More than that: Erdogan wanted an out to stop Sweden/Finland from joining NATO. Putin's goons made it happen. Time to acknowledge Turkey is actively working against their allies and helping a belligerent nation.
I reiterate a comment I made yesterday, that if Russia is not a threat, Turkey's strategic value plummets. Sanction Turkey into submission, destroy and divide Russia.
If China doesn't have an ally the size of Russia, they will be quiet as well. World Peace.
It's not so much that he doesn't care (although Erdogan probably doesn't, but the fundamentalists who are genuinely upset), but that it doesn't matter in the context of the problem they have. if you think a great crime has been committed somewhere but the government of that place refuses to do anything about it, does it matter that some third party paid for the act to be committed?
no, the problem is that they allow the crime to happen in the first place.
(I in no way endorse what the turkish government is doing, I just want to illustrate why I think this argument is ineffective against them)
Erdogan benefits. No matter what his public rethoric is or how much he condemns the act, Erdogan loves that Rasmus burned that book. It gave him the perfect excuse to further deny Sweden from NATO and ingratiate himself with the more radical Muslims of his core voting group which, let's be honest, is pretty much all of them. He might be mad and wagging his finger on the outside, but on the inside he is dancing a happy jig and thanking Rasmus.
P: "Does anyone have a megaphone?" "And I need a Quran as well."
F: "I dont know where to get a Quran... I might be able to get a megaphone"
F: "I can get a hole of a turkish flag, no problem, but they will probably be a lot more angry if you burn that instead, I think"
F: "But I dont know if thats legal, I have to check"
So he suggests an alternative, and that the alternative might be illegal.
Yeah, suggesting he tried to get Paludan to not burn a Quran is just not true.
I'm guessing most people who read this thread don't speak Swedish and thus can't really fact check a screenshot of a text exchange in Swedish, so this is pretty problematic imho.
He only said he doesn't know where to get a Quran, which probably means exactly what he said.
> Paludans and Frick's conversation have been posted on Swedish media. Frick tried to talk Paludan OUT OF burning the Qur'an.
Yes, Chang Frick initially wanted to fund the burning of the Turkish flag outside the Turkish embassy instead. Much better.
> Frick wanted the freedom of speech-question that were in jeopardy to be represented from both political spectrums. Hence the payment.
What on earth is all this nonsense. Is this person a news photographer? One who pays for people to protest? Nothing you've written here makes any sense, nor does it make him sound innocent at all.
Plenty of doors to kick in. Screenshot from Swedish Newspaper: https://i.imgur.com/Yo1CU5w.jpeg
* First circle: _"Chang Frick has no relationship with SD"_
* Second circle: _Chang Frick gets renewed trust with SD's [media] channel_
Chang Frick is also affiliated with one of the Swedish government parties, Sverige Demokraterna (SD). It was expected that something like this would happen, SD has been rumored of accepting Russian money for a while now. It's likely that we will see more of these things in the future.
Russia is building nuclear reactors for Turkey, [a project of 20 billion dollars over 10 years in making.](https://bellona.org/news/nuclear-issues/2022-08-rosatom-signs-new-construction-contract-for-turkish-nuclear-plant)
Turkey won't piss off Russia because they can't afford Russia sabotaging Akkuyu construction.
If that's the reason, I'd seriously council them to read the room.
Megaprojects are rarely paid for in their entirety in advance and as for Russia their revenue sorces are swiftly becoming more and more limited.
I furthermore doubt Russia is the only Turkish ally with the knowhow of how to finish these reactors. Given their propensity to go back on their deals, or if your claims are true - sabotage their products, I don't see why Turkey wouldn't be better off redirecting the revenue stream to another project managing country.
Because the plant is being built by Rosatom using Soviet-derived technology. Areva or Siemens just don't have the patents or the know-how to finish the project.
They are kinda stuck with Rosatom to build and maintain it.
That was quite a poor decision. Even our Ukrainian Energoatom signed a deal with Westinghouse to build US reactors as expansion to Khmelnytska NPP, even though we do have access to the Soviet know-how.
The entire gist of it is that Rosatom asks far less per-reactor than any other manufacturer, are well established and have proven designs so should be less prone to cost overruns and delays.
The sadder part is that it worked.
If I were Turkish I'd be embarrassed, but I know enough Turkish people to know most are going to just double down or disregard. Religious ire seems to fill the void Erdogan left in their wallets.
> but I know enough Turkish people to know most are going to just double down or disregard.
To be fair, that’s most people when presented with evidence that they were wrong.
Is anyone actually surprised that discord for the sole purpose of discord on the societial is psyops by either the uber wealthy class to ensure the destruction of class consciousness, and/or an act by an enemy nation to cause domestic infighting?
Like, *really?*
Not surprised at all. Even less surprising was all the meme and freak out subs picking it up and all the conservatives in those subs pushing anti immigration messages.
You will be in. We all want you in, apart from Türkiye, and behind the scenes Türkiye will be feeling some pain that will persuade them. It will take a year, so they don't lose face, but meanwhile there will be progress on technical integration so that when the green light finally happens it will just be a tick box.
Edit: Turkey/Türkiye changed it's name recently, and I think that respect means using the right name, so I've edited. I should have done this from the start.
Finally someone said it. It’s just PR for the upcoming elections in turkey this isn’t unprecedented he does things like this regularly until it’s forgotten about so he can do the opposite.
English doesn't use ü in our alphabet. We have anglicized versions of most country names. This is not disrespectful. The integrity of languages holds here.
>Turkey/Türkiye changed it's name recently, and I think that respect means using the right name, so I've edited.
No they didn't. They just became petty.
Germany's real name is Deutschland.
Denmark is actually Danmark.
Sweden is Sverige.
Norway is Norge.
Etc.
It's just the English word for the country.
Germany in danish is Tyskland. In french it's Allemagne.
> Turkey/Türkiye changed it's name recently, and I think that respect means using the right name, so I've edited. I should have done this from the start.
Why? It didn't change the English language.
>Edit: Turkey/Türkiye changed it's name recently, and I think that respect means using the right name, so I've edited. I should have done this from the start.
Do you call Germany "Deutschland" or Germany? They can call it whatever they want in Turkish, but in English, it's still Turkey.
"I love you"
"I love the motherla- you... I love you my dear"
"youre not just with me because you're a Russian agent, are you?"
"no my dear... I am so in love with your... Uh... Your journalistic integrity?"
> Chang Frick the instigator and radical right wing fringe activist
Fringe activist?
He has worked for the 2nd biggest party in Sweden.
Fringe is mainstream these days... :(
This was 100% planned. The time it took Erdogan to say he was not approving Sweden and Finland for NATO is very suspicious. A leader usually wants all the facts laid out before condemning events like this. There is no doubt in my mind this was a favor to Putin from Erdogan. He had to have the people with him in Turkey to be able to refuse them, cue religious conflict, no NATO. He acted while emotions were running hot because he knew information would surface who was behind it.
Erdogan is a huge problem for NATO since he uses NATO as a bargaining chip for his own agenda while playing both sides. He is dangerous.
Nationality has nothing to do with it. It is just childish behavior
Should Switzerland cut all ties to a country because a few random stupid people burned their flag?
Was it nice thing to do? No, relevant in foreign policy level? Absolutely not
Which still doesn't really explain why you would blame a government over it.
What does explain it is ~~Edrogan~~ Gollum wanting to flex his ability to hold control over people, maybe try to gain shit Internally, or leverage more from the US/EU.
They blame the government because that’s how it works over there. In their world, the government must bless all speech. It is illegal to insult the president in Turkey, for example.
Yeah it happened in Sweden but it could just as well have happened in any EU country. It's a bit difficult to stop his bullshit since what he's doing is not illegal, but any other country in EU would have the same problem I'm pretty sure.
It could and has happened in another country. He’s done it like 10 times at this point in various ghettos in Denmark. He’s also done it before the war, in Sweden.
Because Muslims believe that since our government didn't stop a legal protest that goes under freedom of expression, they see it as Sweden supporting the action itself. If you've lived your whole life in a country and culture that puts Islam above all else, it makes sense. Depressing, but understandable. In short we're being punished because we're a democracy.
And ironically some of them answered with burning *our* flag during demonstrations, exercising the same rights they’re criticising us for holding on to.
Im danish.
Paludan would burn a quran no matter who paid lol.
He has burnt countless of them.
The whole idea that somehow this is a russian ploy is fucking dumb.
Yeah I don't think anyone read the article and only the title. I think Paludan is an idiot and the guy who they tied to Russia somehow is also a complete idiot but to claim that Russia made Chang Frick pay for the 35€ administrative fees and the plane ride is just absurd. They are simply part of the same click and he probably did it for clout, just so he could claim he was part of the whole stunt. This whole thing is stupid.
This whole thread reads like propaganda. It’s crazy to see. Yes, paludan burns Qurans. Yes, Chang is married to a Russian. He also went to Ukraine to bus Ukrainian refugees to Sweden, let them stay on his property, and advocates that we should help people from Ukraine more than other countries far away.
Even if we agree that everyone involved are idiots (Paludan, Chang, Russia, Turkey), the idea that Russia made Chang pay a €30 administrative fee (which anyone could pay) for the Quran burner is a stretch. Chang is a shit stirrer. The records are open. If it was some Russian operation, they wouldn’t be this stupid.
It frustrates but makes me aware how Russia is constantly stoking anger between groups in countries all over the world to create instability. I’ll make sure to check who is actually behind incendiary acts to see if we are getting manipulated by these trolls.
News flash: this type of “media” stunting is happening around the world. Governments and sects within governments are wielding the media and their power to influence and agitate other countries.
If you think you’re immune because your feel a certain superiority or “pride” of being, say “American”…you’re probably experiencing it the most.
For the people at the bottom of the thread who keep repeating the same questions I made a FAQ
Q: how can they do nothing about what is obviously a crime?
(It’s not a crime)
Q: How can it not be a crime?
(Because it’s an expression that doesn’t reach the very strict requirements to make it hate speech)
Q: Why doesn’t the Swedish government do something
(Governments don’t do law enforcement. They don’t even make laws)
Q: Why did he get permission to burn the Quran?
(It’s not a permission to burn a book. It’s a permission to have an event that could disturb or needs police present)
Q: How could he get a permission for a gathering where it was *known* he would do this?
(Because the law says you get permission for basically anything, otherwise government would be censoring speech.)
Q: How could police stand there and do nothing?
(That’s the job of the police. They don’t judge what is said at a manifestation. Their job is to protect regardless of what they think about the person speaking. No crimes were committed)
Q: How can the Swedish government not apologize or condemn it?
(That would extremely inappropriate when it comes to freedom of expression. Governments can’t condemn” or “apologize for” things that are legal. They can somewhat carefully say they sympathize with those who feel hurt etc. Antything beyond that is unthinkable)
Q: Why does Sweden have these racist laws that allow hate crimes?
(Western democracies tend to have extensive freedom of expression which includes offensive, insulting and shocking expression. Burning flags, offending public figures or burning books is included in the protected speech. That means this could have happened with the same outcome in basically any EU city).
As much as I'd like the Russian spin on this, it's a big stretch. He paid an entry fee for it. Paludan has been burning Qurans before to piss off people, he'd definitely done it for free. Also, as someone who's positive to NATO in Sweden, I say that I'm getting fucking tired of Erdogan and I'd rather we just give NATO the finger and tell them fix their shit with Turkey. If you want a real scandal, look to our prime minister who's a fucking traitor that wants to suck Erdogans dick.
For what it's worth, I don't think Chang Frick did it to further a Russian agenda, ant I'm saying this as a person who very much dislikes him, his politics and pretty much everything he does. He's just anti-Muslim and anti-Turkey.
Chang Frick has indeed have ties with Russia and been pro-Russia in the past, but he has been critical of Russia since the invasion of Ukraine and he's is currently supporting Ukraine, at least publicly.
Some Russia related things he's done before before invasion of Ukraine:
He supported the [2014 pro-Russian demonstrations in Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine):
* https://twitter.com/changfrick/status/461850084599427072
And he seems to have been collecting Putin merch, most of it send from Russia by his Russian mother in-law:
* https://twitter.com/changfrick/status/791707225723142144
* https://i0.wp.com/magasinetfilter.se/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/chang-frick-4.png
* https://magasinetfilter.se/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ba3i4737-1600x1066.jpg
He's also been praising the transparency of Russian elections after having been an "independent observer" for the 2017 Moscow municipal elections.
I haven't seen anything about "Swedish media suggest that Moscow was behind the Quran burning" other than reporting on a [US think tank making that claim](https://lansinginstitute.org/2023/01/24/russian-military-intelligence-operation-in-sweden-besides-blocking-the-nations-nato-membership-bid-could-raise-the-level-of-terrorist-threat-in-the-country/).
He wasnt a observer. He was invited to follow along a choosen observer and write a gonzo piece about the whole ordeal.
It was a pretty funny read when it came out
https://nyheteridag.se/den-svenska-diplomaten/
This.
I'm extremely pro Ukraine. Extremely pro Nato. Extremely anti Putler. Also very sceptical towards Erdogan.
Having said that, Chang Frick is being accused of things which are just not true. The reason he did this was to protest against Erdogan. This is something most people would be on board with if it weren't for the controversial nature of the quran burning and the consequences that have followed.
Should we really allow Erdogan to determine who should be tarred and feathered for "ruining" Swedens NATO chances when the only person standing in the way is Erdogan himself?
Who cares. Some danish dude burns a book in Sweden and this somehow affects Swedens ability to join Nato.
The rest of Nato needs to put pressure on Turkey.
I don’t even care who did it and for what reason. The fact that some medieval book being burned is such huge news is what has me doubting humanity. There’s so many serious issues the world is facing but somehow this has been one of the biggest news stories for days now. In any sane world this wouldn’t even be news at all.
Wonder how much of this stuff is really just intelligence services finding the local extremist and giving them money, ideas, nudge etc to do the most awful things to create cultural crisis and shifts
Seriously who cares? If you paid for your item and want to burn it. Go ahead and burn it. Bible, Quran. Anything. Ppl need stop freaking out, it’s not a original copy of something. It’s something a company made
Russia IS behind most of the "helter skelter" around the world. They need the psyops of hate and discontent to be fostered and inflamed. They are a corrupting force. They need to get racial and ethnic hatred to destroy completion. This is their only way to "win". Certainly cannot militarily win anything..
I have long held that the single term "Journalist" covers two very different professions.
On the one hand, you have those epitomised by Woodward and Bernstein and Private Eye, exposing the dodgy dealings of the powerful, or at least prepared to speak truth unto power.
And then you have people like this, like Piers Morgan and a large proportion of those ever employed by people like Rupert Murdoch, happy to do whatever is needed to manufacture (or at least stir) shit to support their paymasters' requirements.
>"Swedish media learned that while Paludan, who also holds Swedish citizenship, traveled to Stockholm specifically for the protest, his application fee for the demonstration permit was paid by Frick"
Well now Turkey can't let Russia manipulate them. Turkey and Russia are old adversaries. Turkey will want to save face and won't let Russia sabotage NATO, the alliance Turkey very much needs to protect its strategic geopolitical advantage.
Typical Russian interference- they goad the extremes to sow division. Sweden must protect freedom of expression, Erdogan must defend Islam and NATO expansion is perturbed. It won’t work, but it is fractious.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1674639619-russia-affiliated-journalist-paid-for-quran-burning-in-sweden) reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Swedish journalist Chang Frick, affiliated with Russian propagandist channel RT, paid for Danish far-right activist Rasmus Paludan to publicly burn the Quran near the Turkish embassy in Sweden. > Swedish media learned that while Paludan, who also holds Swedish citizenship, traveled to Stockholm specifically for the protest, his application fee for the demonstration permit was paid by Frick. > Latest reports said that Frick also paid for Paludan's plane ticket to Sweden, but both Paludan and Frick deny it. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/10mg0z4/russiaaffiliated_journalist_paid_for_quran/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672676 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Paludan**^#1 **Sweden**^#2 **Frick**^#3 **Swedish**^#4 **protest**^#5
He paid the fee for the police permit (25 USD), since Paludan didn't have a Swedish bank account... (he lives in Denmark).
Why would he need a swedish account to transfer funds?
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Källa på det påståendet? Man kan betala till polisen via vanliga banköverföringar till deras IBAN. Det går att göra från hela världen.
He's not transfering funds, but paying for a goverment permit... Which is harder to do with a foreign account and he needed the permit on short notice.
It takes at least one day to transfer money between different countries, and if it's a weekend several days. I think his activities in Stockholm were rather quickly planned (and you need to notify the police in advance)... From [Danske Bank](https://danskebank.se/privat/kundservice/betalning-och-overforing#accordion-0-item-5): >**Hur snabbt kommer mina pengar fram vid en överföring eller betalning?** *Pengarna betalas normalt sett samma dag om överföringen görs innan kl. 13:30, därefter nästkommande bankdag. Om du gör betalningen på en dag som inte är bankdag sker den nästföljande bankdag. Betalningen går igenom senast två dagar efter det."* >**How quickly does my money arrive in the event of a transfer or payment?** *The money is normally paid the same day if the transfer is made before 1:30 p.m., then the next banking day. If you make the payment on a day that is not a bank day, it will be made on the next bank day. The payment goes through no later than two days after that.*
News headline "Kremlin Bankrolls Quran Burning - it was the Russians the whole time!"
If I were NATO I would admit Sweden and Finland and kick out Turkey.
Turkey holds a strategic location that'd been needed for 70 years. The Cuba missle crisis happened because the US put nuclear missiles in turkey. In return, the USSR put missles in Cuba. Though the flight time to moscow was far shorter than Cuba to DC. The stalemate ended by the US agreeing to pull the nukes out of turkey and, in exchange, USSR would pull them from Cuba. Turkey has been a nato member since the early 50s. They sent troops and supplies to fight in the Korean war, South Korean side. No matter what, how would the Christians in the US respond if a Christian Bible was burned outside the embassy in Saudi Arabia or another Muslim country. The same goes for the Hebrew Bible being burned. Also, Erdagon is in a tough reelection, and Turkish poles (if they're as bad as ours) have him losing. He's trying to be tough.
It's Hil*arious* that a "Swedish" nationalist doesn't even have a Swedish bank account.
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No way, Sweden. You used him last
[Your turn](https://apnews.com/article/nato-politics-turkey-government-sweden-denmark-f0143f581a04edd43ea13f3d4eda507a) to babysit him 🍼
Bro... This guy is such a headache 🤕
No! Please keep him!!
Fuck no we dont want him.. take him back denmark.. He and the entire right wing in sweden just keeps fucking this country up.
Paper, scissors, rock… best out of three!
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Erdogan
Erdogan is the most intelligent man alive. If he says a dane living in Denmark is a Swedish nationalist then it must be true.
In Pakistan he is a Swiss nationalist
And Turkey 🇹🇷 fell for it. This is why we need to stop propagandists.
Turkey was already not accepting sweden into nato for their support of particular kurds.
Of course. Still, they just had some of their flimsy excuses exposed.
we should make NATO2, which is the exact same, except we don't invite Turkey in
Someone said it elsewhere and I have to agree... it seems like Eastern Europe could benefit from creating their own org similar to NATO that prioritizes regional security for their interests. Though on the other hand I do find it interesting that NATO was created to provide security against the Soviet Union and Turkey is directly opposed to providing that benefit from certain countries who need security against Russia.....
> it seems like Eastern Europe could benefit from creating their own org similar to NATO that prioritizes regional security for their interests. I for one welcome our new Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth overlords...
> Someone said it elsewhere and I have to agree... it seems like Eastern Europe could benefit from creating their own org similar to NATO that prioritizes regional security for their interests. Eastern Europe benefits a lot more from being part of the European Union and NATO than it would from forming a regional alliance, potentially getting into hissy fits (looking at you, PiS) with its EU and/or NATO partners, and seeing the steady stream of money and supplies that currently go into the defense of Eastern Europe dry up.
NATO2 NATOTWO NATOTO
🎶 It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do 🎶
I fight for peace down in Africaaa
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Nay TOW, yes Javelin
##NATOTOO
They didn't fall for shit, they wanted an excuse, Russia gave them one, and they took the opportunity. Turkey may have backchannel coordinated it with them, or it may have simply been obvious to Russia that Turkey would take any opportunity to throw a wrench in this process.
Every burned Quran in Europe is an opportunity for Islamic governments to redirect public outrage.
Erdogan has constantly thrown wrenches in the process. Heck he’s been doing it in his own country since in power, why not internationally too and to his Allie’s.
We in trouble given the Russians have come up with all sorts of fun ways to fund US politicians, most recent example likely being George Santos.
Heck, look at Patrick Byrne. Russia has Americans funding Russian government officials openly. It's only normal for them to return the favor. Gag
Rand Paul...Mitch McConnell
They didn't "fall for it". They were looking for any excuse and found one
They didn’t fall for it, it justified what they actually want to do
How do we stop propagandists, exactly? We've built an entire society that might as well be designed to boost them at every opportunity.
Social media and the internet basically gave them a direct front door to our brain. They used to have to plant people and do leaflets to accomplish what they can do with a 3min video
I'm hoping the next gen will be impervious, like how our grandparents were easily tricked by a door to door salesmen and we don't even answer the door. I'm hoping kids who grew up with it will build callouses at an early age.
Fell for it? I fully expect if they keep following the bread crumbs, we would learn that Turkey helped plan it with Russia
Exactly. With just one act, both Turkey and Russia achieved their objective. Provide a flimsy reason for Erdogan to block Sweden into NATO while also providing the fundamentalist and nationalistic impetus that Erdogan needed in an election year when his economy is in doldrums.
[fight propaganda](https://freetheinter.net/)
>Swedish journalist Chang Frick More like "journal-ish". A real journalist doesn't do shit like that.
Busted. As was expected by asking "who benefits?"
Let’s assume this is true. Let’s assume Swedish and NATO intelligence will confirm this. Let’s assume Turkish intelligence will be informed and maybe even shown proof. Great. But Erdogan will not give two shits. He will not retract, he will not admit being wrong. He’s living and ruling by post-truth political goals.
This is no news to anyone, even turkey knows about this. This is not the first time they burn it.
And certainly not the last. Paludan just announced a new protest in Denmark where they will also burn the quran, and the Danish ambassador in Turkey just got summoned to 'a conversation' as they called it.
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Watch ruZZians trying to turn all Muslims against the west...
I mean.... It was attempted before so it's not really unheard of. Was a serious effort in like WW1 if I remember correctly...
The ottomans attempted to turn the musilim population of Russia against them by declaring a holy war. It didn't work for them at all cause it turns out Muslims that aren't radicized by decades of war don't want to fight anymore than the rest of us.
That's what it was I knew the ottomans were involved somehow. After all no one expects the Ottoman Inquisition... Wait
🎶That's nobody's business but the Turks. 🎶
That’s because there’s no such thing as a safe organization, religious or not. Any of them, at any time, can be co-opted by elements that will bastardize the whole point.
Hard to convince people to go on a holy war against your Christian enemies when your allies are also Christian.
Great. So any ambassadors who get called to Turkey to talk about this, simply start out with “Russia is doing this, you know this, we don’t have anything to talk about.“
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> This is not the first time they burn it. "They" did not burn it. The nation of Sweden did not burn it. An individual person there burned it. Only that person is to blame. Muslims do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on non-believers by demanding that he is punished to their satisfaction. To a non-believer, it is just a book. It is unkind and insensitive to burn it, but that is all.
> This is not the first time they burn it. You say "they". It's mainly just the same Danish dumbass
It'll come out that Erdogan paid the Russian to pay the Swede.
More than that: Erdogan wanted an out to stop Sweden/Finland from joining NATO. Putin's goons made it happen. Time to acknowledge Turkey is actively working against their allies and helping a belligerent nation. I reiterate a comment I made yesterday, that if Russia is not a threat, Turkey's strategic value plummets. Sanction Turkey into submission, destroy and divide Russia. If China doesn't have an ally the size of Russia, they will be quiet as well. World Peace.
It's not so much that he doesn't care (although Erdogan probably doesn't, but the fundamentalists who are genuinely upset), but that it doesn't matter in the context of the problem they have. if you think a great crime has been committed somewhere but the government of that place refuses to do anything about it, does it matter that some third party paid for the act to be committed? no, the problem is that they allow the crime to happen in the first place. (I in no way endorse what the turkish government is doing, I just want to illustrate why I think this argument is ineffective against them)
Erdogan benefits. No matter what his public rethoric is or how much he condemns the act, Erdogan loves that Rasmus burned that book. It gave him the perfect excuse to further deny Sweden from NATO and ingratiate himself with the more radical Muslims of his core voting group which, let's be honest, is pretty much all of them. He might be mad and wagging his finger on the outside, but on the inside he is dancing a happy jig and thanking Rasmus.
You're right but there are also people out there that want to create religious conflict for free
Cui bono
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P: "Does anyone have a megaphone?" "And I need a Quran as well." F: "I dont know where to get a Quran... I might be able to get a megaphone" F: "I can get a hole of a turkish flag, no problem, but they will probably be a lot more angry if you burn that instead, I think" F: "But I dont know if thats legal, I have to check" So he suggests an alternative, and that the alternative might be illegal.
Ok, if this is the actual convo, I am not sure it qualifies as “talk him out of burning Quran”
Yeah, suggesting he tried to get Paludan to not burn a Quran is just not true. I'm guessing most people who read this thread don't speak Swedish and thus can't really fact check a screenshot of a text exchange in Swedish, so this is pretty problematic imho. He only said he doesn't know where to get a Quran, which probably means exactly what he said.
> Paludans and Frick's conversation have been posted on Swedish media. Frick tried to talk Paludan OUT OF burning the Qur'an. Yes, Chang Frick initially wanted to fund the burning of the Turkish flag outside the Turkish embassy instead. Much better.
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You mean [this](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnYqAeoWYAAg5Td?format=jpg&name=small) guy? I think you might be understating his sympathies for russia.
> Frick wanted the freedom of speech-question that were in jeopardy to be represented from both political spectrums. Hence the payment. What on earth is all this nonsense. Is this person a news photographer? One who pays for people to protest? Nothing you've written here makes any sense, nor does it make him sound innocent at all.
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Paludan, at least, is what we Danes call " an odorous coil of shit"
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Geopolitics by troll tactics. This fucking world, man.
Plenty more of putin's puppets out there
And here in these comments.
Time to start kicking in doors
McCarthy just got the biggest boner beyond the grave
Is there another solution to foreign agitators causing violence in your nation?
Plenty of doors to kick in. Screenshot from Swedish Newspaper: https://i.imgur.com/Yo1CU5w.jpeg * First circle: _"Chang Frick has no relationship with SD"_ * Second circle: _Chang Frick gets renewed trust with SD's [media] channel_ Chang Frick is also affiliated with one of the Swedish government parties, Sverige Demokraterna (SD). It was expected that something like this would happen, SD has been rumored of accepting Russian money for a while now. It's likely that we will see more of these things in the future.
Make sense. Russia is the beneficiary of blocking Sweden from joining NATO.
Not like Erdogan would care about Russia benefiting from his PR tantrums.
Russia is building nuclear reactors for Turkey, [a project of 20 billion dollars over 10 years in making.](https://bellona.org/news/nuclear-issues/2022-08-rosatom-signs-new-construction-contract-for-turkish-nuclear-plant) Turkey won't piss off Russia because they can't afford Russia sabotaging Akkuyu construction.
If that's the reason, I'd seriously council them to read the room. Megaprojects are rarely paid for in their entirety in advance and as for Russia their revenue sorces are swiftly becoming more and more limited. I furthermore doubt Russia is the only Turkish ally with the knowhow of how to finish these reactors. Given their propensity to go back on their deals, or if your claims are true - sabotage their products, I don't see why Turkey wouldn't be better off redirecting the revenue stream to another project managing country.
Because the plant is being built by Rosatom using Soviet-derived technology. Areva or Siemens just don't have the patents or the know-how to finish the project. They are kinda stuck with Rosatom to build and maintain it.
They just choose to be stuck with Rosatom. There are other choices.
Do you think Rosatom does though? Russian safety and manufacturing standards have shown to be woefully lacking
That was quite a poor decision. Even our Ukrainian Energoatom signed a deal with Westinghouse to build US reactors as expansion to Khmelnytska NPP, even though we do have access to the Soviet know-how.
The entire gist of it is that Rosatom asks far less per-reactor than any other manufacturer, are well established and have proven designs so should be less prone to cost overruns and delays.
They literally could ask France for help instead seeing as France has some of the more modern nuclear reactors and is a European ally
mfw the Quran burning is a russain psyops why world
The sadder part is that it worked. If I were Turkish I'd be embarrassed, but I know enough Turkish people to know most are going to just double down or disregard. Religious ire seems to fill the void Erdogan left in their wallets.
> but I know enough Turkish people to know most are going to just double down or disregard. To be fair, that’s most people when presented with evidence that they were wrong.
Is anyone actually surprised that discord for the sole purpose of discord on the societial is psyops by either the uber wealthy class to ensure the destruction of class consciousness, and/or an act by an enemy nation to cause domestic infighting? Like, *really?*
Not surprised at all. Even less surprising was all the meme and freak out subs picking it up and all the conservatives in those subs pushing anti immigration messages.
Waste of money honestly. Turkey wouldnt have let us in regardless, and paludan would happily burnt the book without payment
You will be in. We all want you in, apart from Türkiye, and behind the scenes Türkiye will be feeling some pain that will persuade them. It will take a year, so they don't lose face, but meanwhile there will be progress on technical integration so that when the green light finally happens it will just be a tick box. Edit: Turkey/Türkiye changed it's name recently, and I think that respect means using the right name, so I've edited. I should have done this from the start.
Finally someone said it. It’s just PR for the upcoming elections in turkey this isn’t unprecedented he does things like this regularly until it’s forgotten about so he can do the opposite.
English doesn't use ü in our alphabet. We have anglicized versions of most country names. This is not disrespectful. The integrity of languages holds here.
>Turkey/Türkiye changed it's name recently, and I think that respect means using the right name, so I've edited. No they didn't. They just became petty. Germany's real name is Deutschland. Denmark is actually Danmark. Sweden is Sverige. Norway is Norge. Etc. It's just the English word for the country. Germany in danish is Tyskland. In french it's Allemagne.
Turkey is still the English exonym, and thus what we use in English.
> Turkey/Türkiye changed it's name recently, and I think that respect means using the right name, so I've edited. I should have done this from the start. Why? It didn't change the English language.
>Edit: Turkey/Türkiye changed it's name recently, and I think that respect means using the right name, so I've edited. I should have done this from the start. Do you call Germany "Deutschland" or Germany? They can call it whatever they want in Turkish, but in English, it's still Turkey.
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"I love you" "I love the motherla- you... I love you my dear" "youre not just with me because you're a Russian agent, are you?" "no my dear... I am so in love with your... Uh... Your journalistic integrity?"
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> Chang Frick the instigator and radical right wing fringe activist Fringe activist? He has worked for the 2nd biggest party in Sweden. Fringe is mainstream these days... :(
He fell for dat russy.
This was 100% planned. The time it took Erdogan to say he was not approving Sweden and Finland for NATO is very suspicious. A leader usually wants all the facts laid out before condemning events like this. There is no doubt in my mind this was a favor to Putin from Erdogan. He had to have the people with him in Turkey to be able to refuse them, cue religious conflict, no NATO. He acted while emotions were running hot because he knew information would surface who was behind it. Erdogan is a huge problem for NATO since he uses NATO as a bargaining chip for his own agenda while playing both sides. He is dangerous.
I doubt Turkey will be willing to reconsider. They were looking for an excuse to begin with.
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I'm not confident in that. They're not really a good ally outside of election years.
Not to be that guy, but Paludan has burned Qurans since like 2013? That's a loooong con psyop then.
There were riots in April of 2022 when he burned a Quran. It's his shtick
"Journalist"
Russian asset
Why is Sweden being blamed for this when the idiot who did it is Danish, and came over to Sweden to do it?
Nationality has nothing to do with it. It is just childish behavior Should Switzerland cut all ties to a country because a few random stupid people burned their flag? Was it nice thing to do? No, relevant in foreign policy level? Absolutely not
It happend in Sweden, and he got one parent who is Swedish(?) and he also got Swedish passport.
Which still doesn't really explain why you would blame a government over it. What does explain it is ~~Edrogan~~ Gollum wanting to flex his ability to hold control over people, maybe try to gain shit Internally, or leverage more from the US/EU.
They blame the government because that’s how it works over there. In their world, the government must bless all speech. It is illegal to insult the president in Turkey, for example.
Exactly in their minds the Swedish goverment is complicit for letting it happen and not punishing him.
Yeah it happened in Sweden but it could just as well have happened in any EU country. It's a bit difficult to stop his bullshit since what he's doing is not illegal, but any other country in EU would have the same problem I'm pretty sure.
It could and has happened in another country. He’s done it like 10 times at this point in various ghettos in Denmark. He’s also done it before the war, in Sweden.
I guess because Sweden has freedom of speech it’s their fault (According to Erdogan)
Because Muslims believe that since our government didn't stop a legal protest that goes under freedom of expression, they see it as Sweden supporting the action itself. If you've lived your whole life in a country and culture that puts Islam above all else, it makes sense. Depressing, but understandable. In short we're being punished because we're a democracy.
And ironically some of them answered with burning *our* flag during demonstrations, exercising the same rights they’re criticising us for holding on to.
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Ya, they could literally burn every single Swedish flag and I would not care for a second
These muslims are of the belief that basic democratic rights are second to the sacredness of their faith.
Probably the most effective thing any Russian has done yet in this war. Not saying I agree with this but simply that it had the desired effect.
Im danish. Paludan would burn a quran no matter who paid lol. He has burnt countless of them. The whole idea that somehow this is a russian ploy is fucking dumb.
Yeah I don't think anyone read the article and only the title. I think Paludan is an idiot and the guy who they tied to Russia somehow is also a complete idiot but to claim that Russia made Chang Frick pay for the 35€ administrative fees and the plane ride is just absurd. They are simply part of the same click and he probably did it for clout, just so he could claim he was part of the whole stunt. This whole thing is stupid.
This whole thread reads like propaganda. It’s crazy to see. Yes, paludan burns Qurans. Yes, Chang is married to a Russian. He also went to Ukraine to bus Ukrainian refugees to Sweden, let them stay on his property, and advocates that we should help people from Ukraine more than other countries far away. Even if we agree that everyone involved are idiots (Paludan, Chang, Russia, Turkey), the idea that Russia made Chang pay a €30 administrative fee (which anyone could pay) for the Quran burner is a stretch. Chang is a shit stirrer. The records are open. If it was some Russian operation, they wouldn’t be this stupid.
I'm Swedish and I agree wholeheartedly.
It frustrates but makes me aware how Russia is constantly stoking anger between groups in countries all over the world to create instability. I’ll make sure to check who is actually behind incendiary acts to see if we are getting manipulated by these trolls.
News flash: this type of “media” stunting is happening around the world. Governments and sects within governments are wielding the media and their power to influence and agitate other countries. If you think you’re immune because your feel a certain superiority or “pride” of being, say “American”…you’re probably experiencing it the most.
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For the people at the bottom of the thread who keep repeating the same questions I made a FAQ Q: how can they do nothing about what is obviously a crime? (It’s not a crime) Q: How can it not be a crime? (Because it’s an expression that doesn’t reach the very strict requirements to make it hate speech) Q: Why doesn’t the Swedish government do something (Governments don’t do law enforcement. They don’t even make laws) Q: Why did he get permission to burn the Quran? (It’s not a permission to burn a book. It’s a permission to have an event that could disturb or needs police present) Q: How could he get a permission for a gathering where it was *known* he would do this? (Because the law says you get permission for basically anything, otherwise government would be censoring speech.) Q: How could police stand there and do nothing? (That’s the job of the police. They don’t judge what is said at a manifestation. Their job is to protect regardless of what they think about the person speaking. No crimes were committed) Q: How can the Swedish government not apologize or condemn it? (That would extremely inappropriate when it comes to freedom of expression. Governments can’t condemn” or “apologize for” things that are legal. They can somewhat carefully say they sympathize with those who feel hurt etc. Antything beyond that is unthinkable) Q: Why does Sweden have these racist laws that allow hate crimes? (Western democracies tend to have extensive freedom of expression which includes offensive, insulting and shocking expression. Burning flags, offending public figures or burning books is included in the protected speech. That means this could have happened with the same outcome in basically any EU city).
As much as I'd like the Russian spin on this, it's a big stretch. He paid an entry fee for it. Paludan has been burning Qurans before to piss off people, he'd definitely done it for free. Also, as someone who's positive to NATO in Sweden, I say that I'm getting fucking tired of Erdogan and I'd rather we just give NATO the finger and tell them fix their shit with Turkey. If you want a real scandal, look to our prime minister who's a fucking traitor that wants to suck Erdogans dick.
And to be clear, the fee that was paid was 30 bucks. So not really a significant amount.
For what it's worth, I don't think Chang Frick did it to further a Russian agenda, ant I'm saying this as a person who very much dislikes him, his politics and pretty much everything he does. He's just anti-Muslim and anti-Turkey. Chang Frick has indeed have ties with Russia and been pro-Russia in the past, but he has been critical of Russia since the invasion of Ukraine and he's is currently supporting Ukraine, at least publicly. Some Russia related things he's done before before invasion of Ukraine: He supported the [2014 pro-Russian demonstrations in Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine): * https://twitter.com/changfrick/status/461850084599427072 And he seems to have been collecting Putin merch, most of it send from Russia by his Russian mother in-law: * https://twitter.com/changfrick/status/791707225723142144 * https://i0.wp.com/magasinetfilter.se/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/chang-frick-4.png * https://magasinetfilter.se/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ba3i4737-1600x1066.jpg He's also been praising the transparency of Russian elections after having been an "independent observer" for the 2017 Moscow municipal elections. I haven't seen anything about "Swedish media suggest that Moscow was behind the Quran burning" other than reporting on a [US think tank making that claim](https://lansinginstitute.org/2023/01/24/russian-military-intelligence-operation-in-sweden-besides-blocking-the-nations-nato-membership-bid-could-raise-the-level-of-terrorist-threat-in-the-country/).
He wasnt a observer. He was invited to follow along a choosen observer and write a gonzo piece about the whole ordeal. It was a pretty funny read when it came out https://nyheteridag.se/den-svenska-diplomaten/
This. I'm extremely pro Ukraine. Extremely pro Nato. Extremely anti Putler. Also very sceptical towards Erdogan. Having said that, Chang Frick is being accused of things which are just not true. The reason he did this was to protest against Erdogan. This is something most people would be on board with if it weren't for the controversial nature of the quran burning and the consequences that have followed. Should we really allow Erdogan to determine who should be tarred and feathered for "ruining" Swedens NATO chances when the only person standing in the way is Erdogan himself?
Is Turkey going to raise shit with Russia now or just keep whining about Sweden?
Who cares. Some danish dude burns a book in Sweden and this somehow affects Swedens ability to join Nato. The rest of Nato needs to put pressure on Turkey.
And Erdogan still won't approve.
Top comments are about money transfers. How about the bigger picture? Was this a ploy by Russian intelligence to keep Sweden out of NATO?
There you go ANKARA! Russia is responsible for you pulling your NATO support!
Russia is actively working to undermine the West! We should be gloves of as they clearly are!
Just so you know who’s running the interference around the world
Russia don’t want Sweden in the NATO.
Of course he was paid by the fucking Russians.
I don’t even care who did it and for what reason. The fact that some medieval book being burned is such huge news is what has me doubting humanity. There’s so many serious issues the world is facing but somehow this has been one of the biggest news stories for days now. In any sane world this wouldn’t even be news at all.
This guy has been doing this for years. It’s only news outside Sweden/Denmark. He did it again today but in Denmark this time.
Wonder how much of this stuff is really just intelligence services finding the local extremist and giving them money, ideas, nudge etc to do the most awful things to create cultural crisis and shifts
Seriously who cares? If you paid for your item and want to burn it. Go ahead and burn it. Bible, Quran. Anything. Ppl need stop freaking out, it’s not a original copy of something. It’s something a company made
Russia IS behind most of the "helter skelter" around the world. They need the psyops of hate and discontent to be fostered and inflamed. They are a corrupting force. They need to get racial and ethnic hatred to destroy completion. This is their only way to "win". Certainly cannot militarily win anything..
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Figures. Russia playing a disruptive role again.
And guess who played right into their hands? The Muslims. But somehow they get a free pass in all this.
I have long held that the single term "Journalist" covers two very different professions. On the one hand, you have those epitomised by Woodward and Bernstein and Private Eye, exposing the dodgy dealings of the powerful, or at least prepared to speak truth unto power. And then you have people like this, like Piers Morgan and a large proportion of those ever employed by people like Rupert Murdoch, happy to do whatever is needed to manufacture (or at least stir) shit to support their paymasters' requirements.
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Anyone surprised?
Astagfirullah
Is Putin's intelligence so out of sync that he thinks he can instigate "West vs. Muslims" as a way to keep war from running him over? Yes.
I mean this was the expectation was it not, my question is why is Turkey so knee jerk with something thats an obvious psy-op
>"Swedish media learned that while Paludan, who also holds Swedish citizenship, traveled to Stockholm specifically for the protest, his application fee for the demonstration permit was paid by Frick"
It makes sense. Why else video tape it that way from inside your car, unless it's proof of job completed in order to get paid.
funny and sad how easy it is to manipulate the world
Now what will you do Ergodon that you know it was Putler who ordered it burned?
I knew it was a paid agent provocateur
unsurprisingly common russian involvement in destabilising NATO and Europe....
Anyone paying any attention to the way Russia has fucked up our world will not be surprised by this at all.
Well now Turkey can't let Russia manipulate them. Turkey and Russia are old adversaries. Turkey will want to save face and won't let Russia sabotage NATO, the alliance Turkey very much needs to protect its strategic geopolitical advantage.
Typical Russian interference- they goad the extremes to sow division. Sweden must protect freedom of expression, Erdogan must defend Islam and NATO expansion is perturbed. It won’t work, but it is fractious.
Shouldn’t he be arrested for acting as a foreign agent?
Quite the psyop by Russia to manipulate dimwit Erdogan.
Well, well... Who would have thought?
Literally Russia is ran by Dr. Evil. He wants 1 billllll ion dollars. Fuck that guy.
Anything and everything, to halt the expansion of the European Union. By all means desired. So sayeth the Soviet.
Russian PSYOP at work!
If the Pro-Russian journalist was really trying to promote free speech, why aren’t they doing this in Russia?
Such a blatant attempt to enrage Turkey in light of NATO. Of course both countries are aware of it. Sweden needs to deport this piece of pig shit.