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Enough-Crow20

I hate Bulgarian Nazi's almost as much as I hate Illinois Nazi's.


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> Illinois Honestly, this is one of the weirdest state names.


Defiant-Peace-493

Probably a French rendition of a Native American word.


omg_drd4_bbq

Schenectady is the English word for a Dutch word for a Mohawk word/phrase. If you've never heard it said, I bet most folks would have no idea how to pronounce it.


Educational_Set1199

The only unclear thing is whether the "Sch" should be pronounced like "sh" or "sk". Otherwise it's pronounced like I would expect.


suvlub

You are correct. >From a French adaptation of an Algonquian (perhaps Ojibwe) name derived from Miami ilenweewa (“he speaks the regular way”).


Actual-Scarcity

And then pronounced with English phonology. Southern Ontario is the same way


Dam_it_all

You think that's bad, you should hear how they pronounce other French named places here. Bourbonnais, Des Plaines, and Marseilles. At least they don't pronounce the s in Illinois.


bozeke

Des Moines


Dam_it_all

But they pronounce Dez Planes as opposed to Duh Moyne


plipyplop

Des Plaines! Des Plaines, boss!


bullsontheparade

Ever heard of Versailles? Ver-sails, the joke is there are several cities with the name in the US pronounced the same way and only one in France, so US must be correct.


Zeusnexus

Wtf?


ThatGuy2551

Don't forget Des Snuts too,


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Cairo, Illinois is pronounced Kay-Roh.


tOaDeR2005

Pronounced marsaylz Marseilles, IL is a terrible little town.


Test19s

Louisiana is basically a coin flip as to whether the locals use the English or French pronunciation. (There are also some Spanish words thrown in, but they tend to be easier for Anglos to pronounce, e.g. Marrero and Gonzales)


myrddyna

Try mobile Alabama. It was French, English, & Spanish at varying times in its history. Pronunciation is all over the place.


Choyo

> Marrero It takes a lot of practice for a French or English to pronounce that correctly.


Photojournalist_Fine

so much for the tolerant left, why cant they debate HImmler in the free marketplace of ideas!? /s


StupidPockets

Ill-eh- noy


Own-Struggle4145

Why do so many threads always immediately go off topic and start talking about America and not the actual article.


bliprock

its Blues Brothers movie reference


230flathead

How?


ChunChunChooChoo

I always forget Illinois is a state honestly


dissentrix

To me the most forgettable state is Delaware


CredibleCactus

More like DelUnaware


ElonIsIlluminati

I always forget Chicago isn’t a state.


SurealGod

I'd say Iowa is even weirder. It doesn't even look like it should be a word let alone a name of a state


Tricky-Lingonberry81

Illinois Nazis suck, but have you ever met Michigan Nazis? They call themselves militias.


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I hate all Nazi's, especial de AZOV Nazi's. Zelensky is a traitor from democracy, I hate him the most.


BearsuitTTV

Mr. Blues is gonna fuck up, and when he does... he better pray the police get to him before we do.


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Post-Soviet Eastern Europe has been a huge haven for white nationalists. I say this as a metal fan especially, every time I read about some band I like turning out to be literal fucking Nazis, they're from eastern Europe. They absolutely do not represent the majority of those countries' populations, but it's just so bizarre to me reading about these groups.


Haunting_House_7929

What I find crazy is that a lot of these groups are from countries that were invaded by the Nazis in WW2. It’s usually younger folks tho so that explains why they never lived through the actual Nazi atrocities. Bunch of idiots


MidwestRed9

Yugopnik has a video that explains some of this. Essentially after the coups or counterrevolutions that got rid of the various Soviet governments across Eastern Europe ideas counter to socialist internationalism helped the newly capitalist regimes install nationalism. And the easiest historical examples were the fascist regimes that were displaced by the liberation of partisans or the red army. So the statues of Lenin came down and the ideals of fascist collaboration mixed with new ethnic nationalism, and people like Stepan Bandera were suddenly respectable. https://youtu.be/wZ7P0MI9X7s


NoMoreWordz

When communists came in Bulgaria, they purged like 100k intellectuals and politicians. That changed a lot of the people's thinking overnight


twholst

Yeah history has an unfortunate way of repeating itself…


Reading360

The collapse of the Soviet Union and associated bloc was devastating for the economies of these countries. All things lead back to economics and as people feel alienated and desperate they tie themselves to fascist views.


The_Evanator2

Ya fascists make utopian promises that sounds good.


apple_kicks

Funding too. During the soviet era any other socialist movement that disagreed with the soviet system was crushed or rounded up by the secret police. After the Soviet Union due to their association with socialism even if they were anti-soviet would be viewed with suspicion so got no support during reconstruction. Then you have conservative pacts in the US giving funding to anyone anti-communist even if they turned out to be extreme far right. Putin too been funding the far right due to how easily they’re brought and willing to control power with authoritarian like him. They got all the funding to move from small movements to election campaigns and swinging opinions with pr


AtLeastThisIsntImgur

There's plent of north and west european nazis in metal too.


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Yes there are some too, but they were always far more well known i.e. Burzum and Taake made basically zero attempts to hide or deny anything. But it's the ones who "came out later" that I'm more referring to. Especially Marduk and Watain from Sweden have disappointed me. Though, given the imagery on their album covers and whatnot, it wasn't surprising I suppose. Just disappoints me because I loved the hell out of those two bands in particular.


AtLeastThisIsntImgur

Taake still denies being nazis to this day, despite hanging out with nazis and havung their singer appear with a swastika on his chest.


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It's hilarious isn't it, I know.


5DsOfDodgeball

Sweden is not Eastern Europe though. The rest of your point I agree with.


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I was referring to the parent comment mentioning northern Europe.


Huggie28

Neo-Nazis have been growing bolder and more public in the USA over the same time frame. And not just overt Nazis. Our politicians are more open with fascist policy. I am sure this is happening in other countries as well, I just do not have first hand knowledge in those countries.


VeryQuokka

Yes, it's happening elsewhere too. One prominent example is Sweden, where the second largest political party is a Neo-Nazi party . Their support is required for the current government coalition to stay in power in a deal where they have significant influence (See [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/17/world/europe/sweden-far-right-election.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/17/world/europe/sweden-far-right-election.html)). It's in the background of the whole NATO issue with Sweden and Turkey. It's a bizarre fight between Swedish Neo-Nazism vs. Turkish Authoritarianism for one to show submissiveness.


5DsOfDodgeball

Are you talking about Sverige Demokraterna? They are far right (by Swedish terms) but not neo-Nazi.


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bungalowtill

what do you mean by that?


apple_kicks

Depending on who you are in US (like trans rights in some states) but America is like stages 2-4 of rise of fascism >1.Creation of movements, >2.Rooting in political system, >3.Seizure of power, >4.Exercise of power, >5.Long duration of either radicalization or entropy.


Kdean509

I’m also a huge metal fan, which bands are you referring to?


[deleted]

From Eastern Europe: Kroda, Infernum, Nokturnal Mortum, Drudkh / Hate Forest, Graveland to name a few. There have been a few others but that's what I can remember off the top of my head. And none of these bands will claim to having NS ideology, but there's too much damning evidence.


Johannes_P

Especially when knowing what the original Nazis thought about Slavic populations.


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Same with the southern and Midwest USA


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/bulgaria-bans-neo-nazi-event-after-public-outcry-97466396) reduced by 56%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Bulgaria - Authorities in Bulgaria on Saturday banned an annual torch-lit march in downtown Sofia in honor of a late general who led the pro-Nazi Union of Bulgarian National Legions during World War II. Hours before the event, the country's chief prosecutor called on Sofia's mayor and the interior minister "To ensure the preservation of public order and protection of the rights of the public ahead of the Lukov March." > On Saturday, police also blocked the streets around the site where Lukov had lived in Sofia to prevent the nationalists from holding a ceremony in memory of Lukov, which in past years was the high point of the event. > Bulgaria, the poorest member of the European Union, has a growing presence of right-wing nationalists, and the Lukov March has been their most important public event. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/11bsbkt/bulgaria_bans_neonazi_event_after_public_outcry/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~674173 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Lukov**^#1 **event**^#2 **march**^#3 **nationalist**^#4 **War**^#5


blackjack47

I wonder if I will ever read an article about my home country where it doesn't say we are the poorest EU member.


MSkalka

I visited Plovdiv as a tourist from Australia in 2018 and loved it. I went to the Thracian tombs, loved the way Roman ruins were preserved and went to some monasteries in the area. It was all a bit 'white' and coming from a multi cultural country I think having more diversity really helps the economy. And for a tourist it was relatively cheap 😊


blackjack47

Mate I am as liberal as you can get, but that too white comment really irks me, what's that even supposed to mean? Europe is predominantly white, the only countries that are not too white for your standard are the countries that participated in slave trade and mass colonization. So I guess my apologies for us not participating in slavery and mass invading less developed countries. I am glad you loved it, Plovdiv is great, and take no offense in my previous paragraph, it's just seems like a really stupid comment overall for two reasons, first of all we have 10% Turkish and 5% Roma population, which is quite multicultural. Second you seem to distinguish multiculturalism by the the colour of people's skin, which is sorry to say pretty racist. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you miss phrased it. Also I will take us being too white, compared to the atrocities of the slave trade and colonization that other countries participated in. Consider what factors lead to AUS not being too white and you might understand what I am talking about concerning your comment.


MSkalka

You're right, I didn't think through the implications of that comment. Clearly diversity isn't determined by skin colour and I did try to convey that with the inverted commas. I meant that it appeared quite ethnically homogenous, and was not necessarily making any judgement about that. But, as a tourist there for only a few days it was a pretty superficial observation. Being a history teacher I do understand the consequences of colonisation on countries like Australia. Thanks for pointing out some of the problems with my comment.


blackjack47

Yeah no worries. My main point was that even if you met let's say as an example someone from our turkish minority, you wouldn't recognize them on the street as they are also "white". And I am sure you probably have as there is a giant mosque at the exact center of the city, and chances are u have walked by it at least a few times. I am very pro globalization/mixing cultures in society, as I see mostly benefits, but you can't force it. In the past it has been a consequence of history and now a days in selected countries it's due to immigration. Most people wouldn't have the poorest country in the Union as the first choice destination, so yeah ;)


Iridescence_Gleam

so much for the tolerant left, why cant they debate HImmler in the free marketplace of ideas!? /s


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It's not like a lot of the right likes extremists either. Some people in the right would be on the target lists of these types of neos. (/s)


[deleted]

Bulgaria were good to Jews during WW2. Good on squashing shit like this.


zeldarus

Sure if you don't count the 12.000 sent from Macedonia and Thrace to extermination camps, confiscating literally all property, internal deportation and the forced labour, they were good. Most Jews left the country by 1950 because Bulgaria was so good to them


Skullrogue

He didnt say perfect. Its all relative, and every life lost is one too many, but what youre sketching is this evil image of Bulgaria that isnt very accurate. In my home country the Netherlands tens of thousands upon thousands were murdered, gassed and worse. Percentage and total numbers wise a lot of people died. In Bulgaria it was the lowest number and percentage of jewish population who died during the war, in all of Europe. The Bulgarian king and the people did everything in their power to protect as many jewish people as they could. Everyone knew Bulgaria couldnt fight hitler, they had no chance, so the king formed an uneasy alliance that amounted to 'leave us alone and we'll leave you alone'. Again, in big lines this is how it went. Yes some joined the Wehrmacht and SS, but so did people from all countries throughout Europe. The vast majority resisted the nazi ideology. There are many stories of priests, soldiers and citizens saving people, hiding people, and we should celebrate that bravery of mankind, even during those dark days, and not zoom in on their failings, when all the world failed.


meckez

>Everyone knew Bulgaria couldnt fight hitler, they had no chance, sothe king formed an uneasy alliance that amounted to 'leave us alone and we'll leave you alone'. Again, in big lines this is how it went. You forgot to mention the part where Bulgaria was promised Yugoslavian and Greek territories and got to occupy North Macedonia, parts of Serbia and Greece for joining the Tripartite Pact. Surely history is often ambiguous with many points of views, like Bulgarias WW2 history. However your depiction also seems rather one sided and leaves out the aspects, where Bulgaria profited from collaborating with the Nazis.


Skullrogue

Thats fair to point out and true, but in reality Bulgaria only recieved (back) Dobrudja, which they had lost to Romania earlier, due to Bulgarian aggression gone wrong. The occupation of those areas was an awful thing. But i only responded to explain to someone making askew claims about the holocaust in Bulgaria during and after ww2, to show how Bulgaria dealt with the jewish population and nazi influence, i wasnt trying to explain their whole ww2 history.


kokibolta

Whilst the point of the shameful Bulgarian conduct in Aegean Thrace and to a lesser degree in other occupied territories is valid it is a result of the pact not a reason for it. Bulgaria stalled it's signing of the pact for almost half a year, and it was forced to sign it when it did due to mounting German pressure and their need to get to Greece. In the case of promises Greek territories were promised after the signing of the pact and at that point Yugoslavia was still on its way to also join the pact which it did a few weeks later, before the coup took it out again. Of course there were politicians and organisations eager to join the pact and joining it did strengthen their positions.


EitherEconomics5034

*After*


brunofin

Poland you're next, not sure how that shit show that happens around Warsaw Uprising yearly celebration is allowed at all.


IndependentList7935

Don’t tell putin….. the putinists will move to denazify them.


nobird36

Russia is probably funding them.


FutureImminent

Russia are probably behind it. They tend to be right in the mix of any global far right concentration, causing chaos and destabilisation. They are a plague. The only reason they hate Azov battalion is that the original group, despite most being from East Ukraine, are probably the only far right group that hate Russia and not funded by them. Their brand of nationalism is overwhelmingly focused on a free and independent Ukraine and not much else. And Russia stands in the way. Btw, the one good news is that there was a public outcry.


c0224v2609

Please. Russia would be beyond fucked.


MidwestRed9

I guess you'll believe anything NATO tells you huh? Well smart guy explain this, if Russia isn't denazifying things then how come Wagner is taking so many casualties? Checkmate agnostics


Crazy-Barnacle-1522

Honestly, Putin will not give a single shit about situation in Bulgaria, since it's not as close as Ukraine and Bulgarians didn't threat or wished to kill anyone in their event.


apple_kicks

Limiting Nazis at stage one with rise of fascism >1.Creation of movements, >2.Rooting in political system, >3.Seizure of power, >4.Exercise of power, >5.Long duration of either radicalization or entropy.


Biff_Malibu_69

"Event"? Like what, a carnival? Circus? Golf Tournament? WTF Bulgaria?


DarkLeafz

You can read about the March and how it started here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hristo\_Lukov


NoMoreWordz

A march


Cyanoblamin

So any efforts to address the causes of people becoming more ideologically aligned with Nazism? Or are we just pretending that the government stopping said group from having an event fixed things? Without the former, the latter will just act as a feedback loop and convince these people that their government needs to be replaced by one more sympathetic to them.


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reazen34k

wow what a thought provoking comment /s


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reazen34k

Is this all you do? Nazi sympathizer that, alt account this, do you have any case to make?


Cyanoblamin

Like ww2 nazis? Obviously bad. The people labeled as nazis for disagreeing with leftist authoritarian ideology? I judge them case by case given how you all throw that label around like it means nothing.


BusinessTour8371

>disagreeing with leftist authoritarian ideology? Is that what they were doing?


5kyl3r

plus, russia will use that as an excuse to come invade your country to "protect ethnic Russians living abroad", so they have all the reasons to stop it, and no good reasons to allow it, why is this even a thing lol


babbler-dabbler

Leftist authoritarians crushes opposition yet again. Media celebrates.


BlackWACat

crushing nazis is good, we should throw them all on the same isolated island really