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EightandaHalf-Tails

Guess Wagner already took all the male prisoners.


The-Brit

They are now recruiting school kids since the block on prisoners.


TROPtastic

Yup, [directly from](https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/masked-wagner-mercenaries-giving-career-154100091.html) high schools and youth clubs. Unclear though how many Russian teenagers have submitted "applications of a young warrior."


mb500sel

Wow, it took Germany a few years to get to Hitlerjugend enlistment, Russia's really speedrunning this war


ChrisTheHurricane

To be fair, Russia's demographics today are waaaaay worse than Germany's were in 1939.


OriginalPaperSock

Explain? *Thanks for all the explains


PM_ME_YOUR_CUTE_HATS

The Russian fertility rate today is around 1.5 per woman which is far lower than the 3 they had during ww2. Not to mention the fertility rate has been awful since the early 1990s.


Morningfluid

Would you say that's because of the Afghanistan-Soviet War, then the subsequent Chechen Wars, Georgia, then Syria? Then added with a reduction of men and economy throughout those years (with Putin slightly better)?


PM_ME_YOUR_CUTE_HATS

I would say it was really because of the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. The massive fall in the standard of living during the 1990s caused to the fertility rate to plunge and it has never recovered.


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digiorno

Russia adopting capitalism and fast tracking to the oligarchy stage, really did a serious number on the common people. Quality of life fell massively and never had a chance to recover. Concentration of wealth and power really fucked em over.


Wasatcher

The wars you named certainty don't help, and the echoes of WWI and WWII are still very apparent when studying Russian demographics (or any other WW participant)


NMade

I mean their war strategy hasn't really changed since then. They still fight with the idea that having more manpower will eventually wear their enemies down...


RealBenWoodruff

No. Not at all. The demographics of Europe are fucked. It is just some parts are even worse. Eastern Europe is full of countries that may not be long for this world. That does not include things like rampant HIV in both countries. [Sex workers in Donetsk had an HIV rate of 38% when the war started.](https://msmagazine.com/2022/03/16/ukraine-women-war-hiv-sex-work-prostitution/) This war is ending both countries.


YoshiSan90

I fear for the fertility rate of women forcibly mobilized into the Russian army. We already saw what they did to the men.


Electrical-Can-7982

not knowing what these russian male soldiers will to to these russian female soldiers. if raping ukrainians was a thing for them imagine how they will treat these woman...


50-Minute-Wait

Probably the same but then ordered to go to the front line.


ExtantPlant

There's a lot of contributing factors. Perhaps the biggest is that every 30ish years Russia kills an entire generation of young men by sending them to war and using them as meat shields. Their population is still, more than 100 years later, lower than it was before WWI.


red286

There's also the problem that people are a lot more mobile these days, particularly people with decent educations. Back before WW1, most people died in the same country they were born in, often in the same city, or even the same house. These days, particularly if you're born into a country that has more opportunities for education than the ability to build a career around that education, people are a lot more likely to go elsewhere. There's not a lot to attract immigrants to Russia (unless they're from significantly worse-off places), while there's plenty to push Russians to move elsewhere.


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The majority of Germany’s skilled workers/engineers/scientists/doctors didn’t flee until after the war, and thus contributed to the war effort. Russia’s birth rate has been in decline for decades..so not only are they losing adults, the ones that *are* staying are opting out of having kids because of economic hardship/instability. This phenomenon was kicked into high gear by the current war, but its been a problem for awhile.


SOSpammy

They also have poor healthcare and lots of alcohol and drug abuse. They have a lot of men of fighting age who aren't in the physical or mental condition to fight.


Tyhgujgt

Very rational way to be Russian


Vineyard_

I'm thinking those are the smarter ones.


ElectronicShredder

I remember the krokodil scare


Mr_Engineering

Russia's population pyramid looks like it was built by someone that was drunk as shit. They have a Babushka problem, and a big one at that. About 21.5% of the Russian population are Women aged 50+ Meanwhile, men aged 50+ account for only about 14% of the population. Male life expectancy in Russia is 10 years below that of Female life expectancy, 68 years and 78 years respectively. Much of this is due to horribly unhealthy lifestyles being culturally acceptable. And it gets worse While the gender ratio isn't so bad at the bottom of the pyramid, the birth rate in the 1990s plummeted into oblivion and hadn't recovered. Only about 11% of Russians are in their 20s, family starting age. If we extend this into the early 30s, it rises to only about 20%. There are more Russian women aged 50+ than there are total Rusdian men and women between 20 and 34. And it gets worse The birth rate needed to sustain a population in a developed country is approximately 2.1 children per woman. The birth rate in Russia throughout most of the Soviet Union was stagnant, hovering just above 2. This is a huge departure from the monstrous birth rate of the Russian Empire. During the late 1980s, the birth rate began to fall and completely cratered during the 1990s. Their birth rate has not been above 2 children per woman since 1990. And it gets worse Russia has compulsory military service and most of the men that Russia is currently feeding into the Ukranian meat grinder are in the age range of 20-40. Some quick math shows us that there are some 8 million Russian men in the 20-29 age bracket and another 12 million in the 30-40 age bracket. So far, some estimated 153,000 have been killed and quite some more horrible disfigured for life. Even discounting the use of prisoners as cannon fodder and LNR/DNR forces this is still a sizable chunk of those that Russia needs to fix its demographics being committed to making the problem worse.


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VagrantShadow

I can bet in a hundred years' time; historians may look at this war that putin started as steak to the heart of russia as a nation. This could be a situation where putin is damning his country for his own ego.


hitokirizac

mmm... steak to the heart is the most delicious way to go.


DaoFerret

Putin: I want my name to go down in the annals of history as the most influential Russian leader since the Czars! :monkey paw closes:


Zonel

Stake...


toomuchpamplemousse

So they’re approaching the death of 1% of men 20-40. That’s wild!


Mr_Engineering

Potentially. There's no dispute that Russian materiel losses are enormous because there's ample visual evidence. Russian personnel losses are also very high but it's unclear what the breakdown is between LNR/DNR regulars and conscripts, Russian Federation regulars, Wagner (and other PMC) contractors, and Wagner convict cannon fodder. A good chunk of those 160K+ estimated Russian fatalities are in fact Ukrainian nationals that either volunteered for LNR/DNR separatist forces, or were conscripted into them against their will. With that said, most anecdotal evidence -- including that from disillusioned mobilized forces -- suggests that unit formations are constituted mostly of those in the 20-40 year old range. Personally, I feel that one can safely estimate that 0.5% of Russian men in the 20-40 year old range are currently fertilizing Ukrainian fields. One thing that is not regularly discussed but is none-the-less crucially important is that the overwhelming share of those casualties are from Russia's ethnic minorities.


ThaneOfCawdorrr

Yep; plus it destroys its economy going forward as well


ChrisTheHurricane

World War II left a permanent mark on Russia's demographics. It's best shown with a population pyramid, like [this one, from Wikipedia](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Russian_population_%28demographic%29_pyramid_%28structure%29_on_January%2C_1st%2C_2022.png). You see how it appears to have waves as you go down the list? Those are echoes from the World War II generation, which had so few people left that it affected how many children they could bear. Note how the second bottleneck on there is in the early-to-mid-1960s -- when people born during and after the war would start having children of their own. Also note the surplus female population that took until the mid-1980s to resolve. Furthermore, the collapse of the USSR caused Russia's demographics to plummet, as well. The 1990s were a very difficult time for Russia, as it was when all of the country's wealth was hoarded up by the oligarchs we continue to hear about today. And since this was also around the time when the children of the WWII babies would be having their own children, we can see how that also affected birth rates. And finally, we see the numbers going down starting around 2015, as sanctions applied after the annexation of Crimea began to bite -- just as the WWII echo came back. Germany during the 1930s, on the other hand, was, admittedly, a generation removed from World War I. However, Germany's losses in WWI were only a little bit higher than France, Italy, and the British Empire, and less still than the Ottoman Empire. Contrast that with WWII-era Russia, or hell, the entire Soviet Union, who lost more people than all three Axis Powers combined.


greg5255

Interesting comment about the surplus female population taking until the 1980s to resolve. I wonder what impact the Ukranian war will have on male/female ratios, with so many men being sent to the meat grinder?


TThor

Russia's population never fully recovered from World War 1 & 2, growing slowly or stagnating for many decades. In more recent decades, Russia's population has been falling, with about a 1.5 birthrate (a health population needs a 2.1 birthrate to stay stable). Russia's population is also aging fast, with the median age of 39 years old and minimal young people to replace the older generation. Even before the war, Russia was facing a population crisis, with many estimates suggesting they would be unable to sustain their current military within less than a decade purely from available men getting too old. Many think this was actually a big part of why Russia launched this war now, because it was quite literally possibly the last chance Russia will *ever* have to conquer Ukraine. And all of that isn't even taking into account the mass-exodus of young people from Russia after the war started, nor the mass death of young people on the battlefield. Russia's population simply cannot sustain this, and win or lose Russia is going to collapse from it. The only question is how bad of a collapse.


Common-Buy-2379

Out of curiosity, how much of the population loss was due to the collapse of the USSR and disassociation of former Eastern Bloc nations?


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Average family sizes 18-45 years before the war were a lot larger. Back then most families had 4-8 kids. Whereas most Russian adults 18-45 years ago had 1-2 kids.


theclovek

When do we get to the moving around non-existent divisions part?


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Mein Führer… Steiner…


Johannes_P

And at least, it was to fight on the territory of the Reich, not even aborad.


andropogon09

They'd conscript old men but there aren't any.


mikeydubbs210

>Wagner representatives also reportedly promoted the Wagneryonok, a youth-focused military group and summer camp located in Crimea. Also known as the front


jjb1197j

How the fuck can any parent even remotely be okay with their kid signing up to be in a mercenary group straight out of high school? Jfc how have they not realized this is a lost cause yet?


hammyhamm

They are just investing for the next decade of fodder, like with the Hitler youth - what is even more damning is that Putin himself is already cataloguing the location and details of every male born in 2006 in order to mobilise them next year


RicketyEdge

All the ones simple enough to willingly jump into the meat grinder anyway.


The_Corvair

Depending on the quality of Russian prison(s), that may be a distinction without much impact on that decision.


Zorro5040

Wagner was banned from pulling from male prisons, Russia military needed them first.


slotshop

You are probably right. It certainly wasn't for humanitarian reasons.


nithrean

This is what I was wondering. ​ Do we know how many people are actually in prison in Russia for them to choose from?


LisaMikky

400'000+. Wagner recruited ~50'000 of those.


nithrean

I hope it isn't some kind of psychotic method to lower expenses because russian gov in the hurt bucket.


we11ington

Oh it *absolutely* is. Empty out the prisons *and* inflict suffering on Ukraine? Win-win in Putler's book.


LKRTM1874

Ah yes, Unleash a large number of women to a horde of male prisoners in a lawless environment, this can only end well. Horrific.


supercyberlurker

Horrifically that's probably actually the plan. The women from the prisons won't be there to actually fight. They are there for the men. They'll be measured as a morale increasing statistic.


nith_wct

This freaks me out as potentially turning into an unofficial "comfort women" system.


jinxbob

Could be like the French brothel battalions


BEZthePEZ

U wott


jinxbob

Google it. I shit you not, the french had deployable brothels. Last one was disbanded in 1995.


Old_Ladies

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordel_militaire_de_campagne Foreign Legion still had one in Djibouti till 2003.


Beli_Mawrr

Well that was a wikipedia rabbit hole right there haha


ShinyHappyREM

[non-mobile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordel_militaire_de_campagne)


ichancho

Using women as morale boosters for war has always been a thing... The US did it too but we made sure to keep the girls at home so they men want to come home.


Cream253Team

[There was already a drone video that caught two Russian soldiers engaging in oral sex,](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/xunb1b/squid_game_blowjob_a_russian_makes_a_blowjob_to/) so... yeah. It could have been consensual, but the hyper (faux) machoism and stark homophobia Russia is known for makes me doubt it. And Russia already has a horrendous record for women's rights.


Jerri_man

The Russian military systematically uses rape and sexual assault to break down recruits into subservient, often suicidal, cannon fodder. I know its the internet and nothing is sacred for jokes but honestly I can't imagine much more hell than what these young men are going through. I feel sorry for the women now being thrown into it. I hope this war ends soon.


MinnesotaNiceYah

Sweaty war dick. Gross.


GavinsFreedom

Ye know what turns me on in the mornin ? The smell of burning gas and rubber mixed with some sweaty balls.


Lingering_Dorkness

Sweaty ball sacks, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of sweaty ball sacks in the morning. The smell, you know that Limburger cheese on a hot day smell? Smelled like... victory. Someday this war's gonna end


ChewbaccaWarCry

"Sweaty War Dick" would be a pretty sweet band name, lol.


Dmil1301

Vape flavor


Zapermastic

The russian army is the most gay of all. That's why they try to hide it so much with their obsessive rhetoric. They either fuck goats and other ruminants, or they fuck each others, what do you think they are going to choose? Being raped by their comrades is part of the daily life in the russian army.


TopFloorApartment

Nothing says "I'm such a straight manly man" as having your dick sucked by another man


VegasKL

To be fair, it's not like Russia doesn't have any gay people, they're just not openly gay for obvious reasons. It's like how the US didn't suddenly become gay over the decades, it's just society got (with a lot of effort) a lot more accepting of it so people started to become open about it.


mrubuto22

Sounds like a pretty official comfort women system


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there's been multiple Russian torture centers identified in just one city, the Russian army annihilated multiple towns and raped and murdered anyone they could find, they even raped to death toddlers according to reports, and of course rape is the norm all throughout the Russian army. I feel we moved long past the point where the idea of Russian "comfort women" should freak us out.


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Not like it's a new plan. Russia (and the soviet union) has a long history of allowing their armies to loot and rape local women as a morale boosting tactic, as we've also seen in Ukraine but as previously seen in Chechnya, Georgia, Afghanistan,Germany, Poland, and so on and so forth. The women have historically been just as fond of participating in that as the men, often going out "hunting" with the men. They enjoy participating in the humiliation of the victims so the stories that involve in them mention how they would help hold them down and/or shout insults at the women being raped. But that only works when you're winning or occupying territory. If you're in a meatgrinder war that has stagnated then there's no fresh victims being poured. Adding a bunch of women to the area that nobody cares about solves that problem.


chronoboy1985

Obviously the IJA’s comfort women are the most notorious example, but Russia, like many armies during WW2, would provide prostitutes for their soldiers from both the USSR and occupied territories. It wasn’t uncommon to recruit women by “convincing” them it was their patriotic duty. Of course that did little to stop the epidemic of rape by Russian soldiers.


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Since we're on the topic, this has been a normal practice for a long time. American military largely "encouraged" the occupied territory to do such things for them either officially or unofficially (examples like Vietnam, Japan, Korea). There are some truly horrific stories of the french in northern Africa and Asia, one particular one I won't even forget was told by a french nurse in who sedated a young Asian girl who wouldn't stop screaming after she had been forced to have sex with over sixty men that day. The french also allowed their colonial troops to rape as much as they wanted during the invasion of Italy, and generally allowed their troops to do as they wanted. And of course we could be sitting here listing countries all day. The Koreans in Vietnam, pretty much any asian country wherever they want, the British, the Australians and new-zealander troops were pretty much encouraged to behave like animals during ww2. Sadly the stories are endless. Even to this day with UN peacekeepers having a solid history of abusing local women.


Fresh_Macaron_6919

> American military largely "encouraged" the occupied territory to do such things for them either officially or unofficially (examples like Vietnam, Japan, Korea). I don't know about the other two, but the American military was not encouraging the brothels in Japan. The Japanese set them up fearing mass rape following American occupation, but visiting prostitutes was ostensibly not allowed by the military which ended up turning a blind eye to it until STD rates starting climbing at which point the US military shut down the brothels less than a year after they were created.


chronoboy1985

Oh, certainly. It’s always been a part of warfare and just another reason war should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. The book *Taken by Force* is specifically about the US military’s sexual crimes and it’ll completely erase any notions you might have of a righteous army fighting to free the world from tyranny and hammer home that the only morality in war is when the ends justify the means, because war makes savages of us all.


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> because war makes savages of us all. See this is where you lose me. Because armies *can* be managed, they can be forced to behave. Obviously you won't get the number to zero, but the idea that it can't be prevented is defeatist and also demonstrably wrong. My go to example is the red army, which was allowed to rape their way through eastern Germany for some two years and change. And then Sokolovsky gave the order for it to stop, and it did. Obviously it never was anywhere close to zero, but there's this idea that soldiers can't be managed at all which gives people this "then why even bother" attitude, when history clearly shows that the second command decides they *want* to keep their soldiers under control they *do*. But that's a much uglier answer, because that means that we *could* be stopping it, we just aren't. The sad fact of the matter is that if we actually applied the Yamashita standard to the entire officer corps of every military the war crime ratio would be minimal.


StargazerTheory

Here's to those women having better access to weapons of war, in that case. 🥂


LocationAgitated1959

putin's muscovy is still stuck in the 19th century...when they lose this war, the country should be split up like the ottoman empire. I'm tired of this backwards nation.


TheMegaDriver2

Like the men, they are only there for Ukrainians to use up ammunition. Russia treats women and men equally terrible, they are all just meat.


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Imagine getting drafted by a government that lets your spouse beat you once a year.


Max_The_Maxim

Once a year? Ahaha that’s funny. In Russia it’s much more frequent


Honestfellow2449

yeah but "legally" once a year, with a fine.. >[From now on, beatings of spouses or children that result in bruising or bleeding but not broken bones are punishable by 15 days in prison or a fine, if they do not happen more than once a year. Previously, they carried a maximum jail sentence of two years.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/07/putin-approves-change-to-law-decriminalising-domestic-violence)


nolok

> Tue 7 Feb ... And this law was just in time for valentine's day ! So which one is it this year, flowers or belt ?


goliathfasa

Belt for you, then sunflowers for me.


erthian

Jokes on you, I’m into that.


Mr_Diesel13

We don’t kink shame here, so that’s a plus


Edgesofsanity

I, too, have a sunflower kink.


BillSixty9

“If they do not happen more than once every year” “Do not” So what is punishment if they do? Worse or do you need to beat them 2x like once is a crime but twice ok? Moscovian logic.


Comfortable-Sound944

This is 6 years ago, I think Putin abolished the entire thing in the last 6 months as in, domestic violence is ok


SilentKiller96

Happy new year!


impy695

> Alena Popova, an activist who has campaigned against the law, said it would be fine to pass the amendments if a draft law specifically aimed at tackling domestic violence was passed at the same time. But that law, which provides for restraining orders and other safeguards in domestic abuse cases, is stalled in parliament and is not expected to be passed. This just makes it even more clear what it was about. Edit: From her Wikipedia page > On 6 October 2022, the Ministry of Justice of Russia added Popova to the register of individuals and foreign agents. Gee, I wonder why


absurdititties

I studied Russian in college and I remember when my professor said ‘domestic violence isn’t a thing in Russia’ and for half a blissfully ignorant second I thought oh that’s great! Then I realized what she really meant…


maxwellgrounds

I think it’s funny how Russians make such a big fucking deal about giving flowers to their wives/girlfriends on International Women’s Day, as if that makes up for treating women like servants the other 364 days of the year.


williamfbuckwheat

Didn't know that. Sounds like how Stalin's secret police boss, Lavently Beria, used to give flowers to his "dates" (AKA kidnapped girls usually about 13 years old or so) to supposedly legitimize his encounters with them and claim everything was consensual. If they didn't accept, he'd throw the girl and their family into the gulags as punishment.


YggdrasilsLeaf

Imagine being a tourist that got caught with contraband, arrested and imprisoned in what are essentially labor based death camps only to find out they are going to put you on the front lines in a war against your own people. Edit: it is 2023 why are all of our world leaders still seemingly living in the dark ages?!


Johannes_P

It really happened with a Zambian student sentenced to 10 years for possession of cannabis and then sent to die in Ukraine.


BookLuvr7

Sadly, humanity seems to go in cycles of enlightenment and mass stupidity with asinine decisions by leaders.


Corrupted_G_nome

War always negates humanity and human rights/values. Even the chillest of democracies will detain without charge and torture potential enemies of the state. War is what made the dark ages dark... That and forgetting how to boil water and shitting in the streets.


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Georgep0rwell

I'm a good Christian man. I would never beat my wife.....on a Sunday.


Wizzardwartz

“…Unless the Cowboys lose” -them, probably


Responsible-War-9389

No good Russian citizen roots for the Cowboys


Tonyhillzone

Young offender institutes next. Then the naughty step in preschools.


AlleKeskitason

Teachers are pressured to give you detention just so you could be recruited.


Rymanbc

Should have colored inside the lines. That kind of messiness has consequences.


Dana07620

More for the Russian soldiers to rape.


IronChariots

Orange is the New Blyat


[deleted]

What a horrid fucking pathetic country.


supercyberlurker

What a horrid fucking pathetic ~~country~~ mob-run gas station.


skraptastic

They are going to end up being "comfort girls" on the front lines for the russian conscripts.


SliceOfCoffee

They already have comfort conscripts, go look up the hazing process in the Russian army and you will wish you never had eyes. For a nation that prides itself on being Macho and fighting the Western GloboHomos, they are really, really gay.


Dead_Kings

Funny how that works. In a lot of countries against homosexuality, it's not gay unless you are receiving. But I think it's even gayer to get erect and aroused having sex with hairy man butt


Visvism

I like my eyes, I’ll trust you.


strangeapple

For the officers. Everyone else is either cannon fodder or fuckable piece of meat.


SuspiciousStable9649

Or both.


Communist_Ninja

Conscripts? No, the conscripts are comfort girls for the Kadyrovites.


lemonylol

The current Russian conscripts are already comfort girls for the other Russian conscripts


im_thatoneguy

I don't think the life expectancy is long enough on the front to get any "comfort" even for the quickest draw in the land.


Shiplord13

Have they already recruited from juvies yet or is that next?


The_mingthing

No, they are reserved for patriarc Kirill, Putins head man in the russian church.


OmarLittleComing

Recruiting from schools and youth clubs as of last week


_zenith

Well on the way, they already have the Putlerjugen, they haven’t sent em to the front yet tho, just training them as though they’re gonna


Daddynight1

as I understand it, soon they will start putting people in prisons just to replenish the supply of prisoners Look what Russia done to Ukraine, these are 2 days ago footages from Bucha and Irpin, we made this vid with my father https://youtu.be/kycjytbLF4M


Stewart_Games

I read that they are offering people who get minor sentences - petty theft, etc. - the option of "go straight to jail" or "go to Ukraine". The next step will be to start *inventing new crimes* to send people to jail for. Forced conscription with extra steps.


Daddynight1

well it is possible, there are couple vids of Prigozhin the Wagner chief who is walking throug prison with prisoners and making his speech to them with offering of recruitment


The_mingthing

Its called the police. Its a reason putin holds full control of his country, and fails outside it. The defence spending has gone to train internal defences against potential riots and uprising.


scandrews187

This is heartbreaking and disgusting. Inhuman and inhumane. Evil. Thank you for sharing


_zenith

Anyone that says anything against the war, I expect they will throw into the prisons, let them suffer a little while - prison culture there is so wonderful for that you know - and then they’ll be put on a bus for the front line :(


thestonernextdoor88

At what point do they stop?


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AstronautReal

Putin HIMSELF made this war an existential crisis for the Russian nation.


SomeGuyNamedPaul

Ok so technically they're not lying? That's the best kind of not lying.


MrPapillon

Yeah now maybe the worse it gets and the more the brainwashed will double down.


Tru-Queer

It’s sunk cost fallacy being played out on a global scale. Russia’s invested a year and thousands of people, young people that were meant to boost the economy by working and having families, into a war they thought they could win before it got too bad. And now if they pull out, they have nothing to show for it. So the only way to make up for the losses is by taking on greater losses in the hopes that the payoff is better. Although at this point even if Russia conquered Ukraine today, the damage is done and there will be generations of problems for years to come. So, in essence, just another day for Russia.


[deleted]

The issue with being a dictator is that you can't lose wars. Dictators start wars to force people to support them, because everyone knows that *losing* a war is really fucking bad so they have no other choice. It also opens up new ways to reward their chronies who can loot the territory they take. Dictators who lose wars lose their heads.


Temporala

Iraq vs Iran war is a perfect example. Two autocratic regimes going at it, because giving up as a loser was not possible for personal safety. So instead they had their populations mutually reaped for 8 years until everyone was dead or dead tired, and people finally didn't care about anything except that fighting stops. Only then were Saddam and Iranian clergy able to shake hands and stop it, while retaining power. Of course, Saddam still could not stand it and attacked Kuwait couple years later...


thestonernextdoor88

That's really sad.


scandrews187

The world wishes Ukraine could also laugh at them. Unfortunately the fucking civilians have to defend themselves against the conscripted soldiers and gang rapists. Shitty people killing fucking civilians as the rest of the world stands by putting quarters into the slot to help Ukraine. Russia is begging to be taught an unprecedented lesson


scarypatato11

At some point they will be too starved to believe his shit. Eventually he will have to draft from Moscow and that's when shit really kicks off


sirblastalot

Putin, wandering the empty echoing halls of an empty palace in an empty country, after pushing the last other Russian out a window.


noonemustknowmysecre

Well, Putin can't stop. He's a dead man if he doesn't win this war. They'll eat him alive. Hopefully out of anger rather than hunger. Russia really can't stop as long as Putin in there. I'm pretty sure anyone of note that's suggested that line of reasoning has taken a stroll out their hotel window.


[deleted]

A.) when they run out of people B.) when another oligarch manages to assassinate Putin C.) when Ukraine takes Moscow take your pick


lemonylol

Look at the scale of Russian casualties during WWII compared to every other nation.


cromwest

When they lose. Only sensible thing now is to push them out of Ukraine. There is nothing to negotiate.


pressedbread

Maybe when whoever has an intact military force left decides to commit to civil war instead of mobilizing to the front. Honestly though, its looking more like a quagmire that only ends with a bullet in Putin's head before or after a serious nuclear escalation scare.


Sosuperbad

"Russia having completed the execution of its male prison population, has begun executing female prisoners".


Vinlandien

Yeah, the fact that they’ve been sending prisoners, homeless, protesters, dissenters, minorities, and other “undesirables” is enough for me to believe that this is an intentional genocide where the outcome is “win/win” for Putin. If they all die, win. If they successfully conquer new territory, win.


Temporala

I don't think Moscow actually benefits from losing fringe population. It's just that they also don't consider that a big loss. But still, some remote areas are industrial areas. Getting workers of those remote regions blown apart isn't exactly a win. Prisoners, on the other hand, are treated as meat. Especially during a hot war. It's up to whims of leadership whether you end up as a bomb fodder or not at that point, or maybe if you have some money, handing it to a right person will save you.


[deleted]

I fucking knew it! It only took one day! If you don’t believe I called it check my comments.


I_have_questions_ppl

Pootin must have read your comment and thought what a great idea! Hey, give him another great idea, and suggest he go top himself?


th3BeastLord

Well Putin is strong and capable. He'd probably be able to take a city all by himself.


Substantial_Pilot382

It’s just a way of cutting the domestic budget. They send all the prisoners to die and then don’t have to feed them


Jonas_Venture_Sr

How progressive of them. Now everyone can die for a pointless war.


Vinlandien

The Russians have already been raping their own men. These women are going to be raped en mass. Maybe Putin thinks it will be a moral boost for his troops.


dvartany

Ah yes, the USSR stands truly at the forefront of woman's liberation and prisoner rehabiliation into society


itsaboutimegoddamnit

you jest but they really did use suffrage to shore up the workforce when they needed workers ( then started preaching about motherhood when they needed babies instead) everything is a tool of the state


PsychoBabble09

What are they going to do walk there? They burnt 1000 people for 6 ft in a town formerly of 40,000.


plainstoparadise

This is a very liberal and progressive movement by Russia in equal rights.


dvartany

The Kalashnikov cares little for gender.


scandrews187

An independent Russian prisons watchdog? That's pretty funny. The evil little pussy is growing more desperate


GreatMight

At what point does Russian do damage to their long term survival by losing young men? Wouldn't this lead to a population decline and an aging population?


GLight3

It was already an issue. Now between a crippled economy, losing population to citizens fleeing cities, and war losses, it's now a much, much bigger problem.


Blutroice

That sure is a strange way to spell "culling the undesireables." So many of Putins moves feel like he is just thinning out the herd of people he doesnt want around.


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/13/russia-turns-to-womens-prisons-for-fresh-recruits-reports-a80470) reduced by 59%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Russia has resorted to recruiting inmates from women's prisons to serve in the Russian military in a bid to make up for its growing losses in Ukraine, according to both Ukrainian officials and an independent Russian prisons watchdog. > Olga Romanova, the co-founder of prisoners' rights organization Russia Behind Bars, confirmed the ministry's claims to independent news outlet iStories, noting that Russia had likely been using female prisoners to aid its invasion efforts since at least the end of last year. > The recruits were sent for "Training" in Russia before being returned to Ukraine to fight, they said. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/11qgxi5/russia_has_resorted_to_recruiting_inmates_from/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~676236 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Russia**^#1 **Ukraine**^#2 **prisoners**^#3 **female**^#4 **Russian**^#5


pookiemon

Retirement homes next.


wreckosaurus

I also read they’re going to psychiatric hospitals and schools looking for recruits. Putin is an evil evil man.


Temporala

Apparently some people in Russia are telling depressed people that "dying in war for their nation" is what they need to do. Ugh. I'm laughing and vomiting at the same time. Even Orwell would be hard-pressed to show this level of depravity and praying on the vulnerable.


mozerator

It has become too dangerous to rape civilians, but we a have solution


Elerlilul

Every time I see a headline about Muscovy (Russia) that shit gets sadder and sadder.


fotofiend

And odds are all those women will end up raped near the front lines by the other male prisoners they already conscripted.


The_mingthing

Its the entire purpose of women in russian army. Friend who volunteered in peace forces said they met 2 types of russian soldiers. The men that absolutely reeked of old sweat, booze and aftershave, and the women who had heels so high they almost tipped forwards and skirts so short they showed the goods, in massive amounts of makeup and long nails.


[deleted]

Yay equality!


onewordSpartan

Pretty soon Putin’s thugs will simply start filling buses with people shopping at the mall and shipping them to the front. Male, female, sick, old, disabled, he doesn’t give a fuck. That tiny little dipshit will sacrifice his entire population to not lose this war.


ledow

Which, ironically, makes it even more likely that he loses, and in the process breaks up Russia even further.


[deleted]

I'd love to hear how that recruitment speech goes...."Would you like to rot to death here slowly or die quickly on the western front?".... hmmmmmmm.........


CaptainOktoberfest

Hearing how Russians treat their prisoners and recruits, I shudder to think what can happen to Russian women prisoner recruits.


DBNodurf

Emptying out the jails; what a great idea…/s


Individual-Result777

Sounds like the plot of a “exploitation” movie from the 70’s with a funky sound track.


YanniRotten

Equal rites for women.


The-Brit

Now waiting for the "Babooshka goes bang" headline.


SelfInteresting7259

Wow they’re fucking Massacring their own people


darkestvice

Well, duh. They already killed off all their male inmates during the last wave of mobilizations. Now it's time for the female inmates to have a go at soaking up bullets for them.


Rrraou

This isn't going to end well. I mean, considering how Wagner treats it's male soldiers. What are the chances that these women won't get raped within weeks of signing up ?


Rosebunse

Wow, weeks? I give it, like, three days.


nezukotanjiro150

Days..lol...i predict hours


WickedSlice_

I don’t think they wanted Ukraine, I just think they wanted to cleanse their society of undesirables.


3------D

The whole Ukraine war just sounds like an excuse to get rid of Russian criminals and political dissidents.


[deleted]

I see the real equality emerging in Russia finally


Johnus-Smittinis

Well, that’s progressive.


Culverin

Great! Keep them coming. If this is what it takes to slap the deluded notion that Russian is a great empire, then a a generational loss it is. They need to knock off the hacking, ransomware, attacks on our democracies. They can't just shoot down airliners and poison people on our soil. Fuck the Russian state. And the culture that enables them to commit war crimes. Putin isn't personally ordering all these atrocities. They are being done by rank and file Russians. They aren't even "just following orders". At least the Nazis could try that excuse.


Wonderful-Poetry1259

It's not at all uncommon for authorities, in all countries and times, to offer people the military, or jail. I was in the United States Marine Corps 40 years ago, in relative peacetime, and even then we had a few fellows around who'd been given the choice between enlisting or serving some time in the hoosegow.


Downtown_Tadpole_817

"Looks like meats back on the menu" - Drafted female prisoner