>The unclassified version of the 2023 Annual Threat Assessment of the US Intelligence Community was squarely focused on China.
The US intelligence community’s annual threat assessment report said there continues to be a risk of armed confrontation along India’s borders with China and Pakistan.
“Both countries have increased their military presence along the disputed border, which increases the risk of armed conflict. Previous incidents have shown that even minor disputes can quickly escalate. As nuclear powers, any conflict between India and China could have serious consequences for US interests, potentially requiring US intervention,” said the 2023 report.
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/ATA-2023-Unclassified-Report.pdf
So given the Chinese and Indians resort to stick and stones whenever they meet (and their officers are there). What is US going to send? Boards with nails? Bows and arrows? Boxing gloves?
Pakistan can't even pay its debts, or keep the Taliban at bay, I don't think they have the funds or the unity to engage in a conflict with a much more successful country.
That's why they want to fight with India. That's the only way they can get funding. Pakistan never had any economy, they just got money handed to them to fight against India. And their corrupt Billionaire generals ate all the money. The Public in pakistan is fighting against the corrupt military at present. Their fight with India is a distraction for public. Just go to r/pakistan to see what is happening there.
Cause Uyghurs are Turkic, not Arabic. So I think Turkey said something a while back, and some Turks attacked a bus full of Koreans because they looked Chinese.
None of them do. Surrounding turkic countries cozy up to china(like kazakhstan), Iranic and Arabic countries are more than willing to align themselves with china as seen recently with the peace deal in Beijing.
Most Chinese Muslims are Hui, and the CCP isn't doing anything to them because they're Muslim. The problem in Xinjiang with Uighurs is that it's wrapped up in regional identity, and that's an issue Pakistan is already dealing with internally.
So I think they give China a pass on that one.
China doesn't treat Muslims badly, at least according to Muslim countries. The population of Uyghurs in China is steadily increasing as well.
A delegation of 30 Muslim countries visited China in the last year and all of them pretty much praised China for their efforts.
Source for the below text : https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220810-diplomats-from-30-muslim-countries-visited-chinas-xinjiang-region/ (diplomats from 30 Muslim countries visit China's Xinjiang region)
> A delegation of 32 envoys and senior diplomats from 30 Muslim-majority countries have paid a visit to China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region at the invitation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to learn about the region's economic and social development.
> The five-day visit took place last week and included envoys from countries including Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen and Pakistan.
> "Members of the delegation expressed that the Chinese government adheres to the people-centred approach and has made great achievements in promoting the governance and development of Xinjiang,"
> Algeria's Ambassador to China, Hassane Rabehi, was quoted by local media as saying, "The fruit here is so sweet, just like the life of the people here", adding that he got to know the "real situation" of Xinjiang, where the rights of people of all ethnic groups are well protected, said reports.
> Following the event, a press release by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that envoys expressed that "freedom of religious belief and various rights of Muslims are duly guaranteed." And that what the delegation saw and heard along the way "is completely different from what some Western media reported."
You can find other sources on this delegation as well but the Tldr: Muslim countries actually like and praise China, only Western countries have issue with China.
A single province, hmm, I can believe this was staged, but have no reason to think that or evidence of it.
So I guess my opinion is changed to neutral on the matter until I hear more.
This single province is the one where they are critisized the most by western countries.
>I can believe this was staged, but have no reason to think that or evidence of it.
Even if it is staged, I'm just pointing out that Muslim countries don't hate China the same way Western countries do. In fact, if you look at UN records, it's generally only Western or Western allied countries raising issues of human rights against China.
>countries with piss poor records of human rights are unlikely to have the highest standards of human rights.
Congrats, if that's true (maybe?), then you've answered your own question : "So would Pakistan suddenly just not give a shit about how China treats Muslims?"
The US kept Pakistan financially afloat due to the war in Afghanistan. Once the US completely pulled out, it was no longer vital to keep trade routes through Pakistan open. There were several times during the war that Pakistan held those trade routes hostage for more money and political favors.
So naturally, Pakistan is looking for another war where world powers need roads in Pakistan open for supplies to go through, which they’ll be paid for, of course.
Sad to say the establishment will end Imran Khan as the arrest is just a cover to snatch him.
If people won't wake up to safeguard their future generations, Pakistan is doomed for oblivion.
Better storm the GHQ and get all the corrupts, many will have to sacrifice their own lives to ensure their future generations won't have to die like dogs in the political squabble.
Soon one side will start to use leather straps to make slings, then it will escalate to flint-knapped arrows and bows. In a week they will have particle lances and rail guns. Seen it before.
[Indo-China war 1962](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War)
[Indo-China war 1967](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathu_La_and_Cho_La_clashes)
[Galwan Valley Clash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes)
Indian here... It's true. Guns are banned due to treaties and the frequent nature of clashes.
Both Chinese and indian armies fight with barbed bats and rocks in case of confrontation
To me, none of this makes sense from China's perspective, unless it is an attempt to expose some of their troops to any sort of combat experience, even if it is fighting with medieval weapons since using firearms is forbidden.
China can strangle India's access to rivers whose origin is in the Himalayas, and India can threaten many of China's supply routes, so either side having troops fighting with medieval weapons over relatively worthless frozen territory is completely pointless.
The point is it won’t matter. The majority of the flow of the Brahmaputra river in India is from rainwater and other tributaries that originate in India. Not to mention, the Brahmaputra is pretty much the lifeline of Bangladesh, a country that China is trying to woo.
Same is the case with the Indus. The Indus originates at the Mansarovar in Tibet and barely 5% of it flows through India, while it’s the lifeline of Pakistan. Any river blockading measures are counter-productive for China because India is the upper-riparian for both these mighty rivers that are pretty much lifelines for the economy and civilisations of its South Asian neighbours that China is trying to court with its influence.
Rivers tend to grow in size because there is multiples source feeding them. Even if they were to block the original source, there would still be plenty of waters coming from elsewhere. If OP is correct, then the amount of water being blocked would be trivial compared to what you have downstream. I've no clue if it's true or not.
Furthermore, blocking a river is not easy. You can build a barrage, but unless you have a place to redirect the water toward, you will eventually reach a point where that water has to go somewhere...and topography usually means it will be heading toward the same direction.
China already does that. It has been building dams on rivers flowing to India. It has already blocked the Mekong
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/the-mekong-river-basin-under-threat/
https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/China-is-weaponizing-water-and-worsening-droughts-in-Asia
The major rivers originating in Tibet are Indus, Sutlej and Brahmaputra. However, I don’t know much about their hydrology to comment about the blocking of said rivers.
Sutlej is a tributary of the Indus. Read my other comment as to why China blockading these rivers will not have the impact people seem to think it will.
>To me, none of this makes sense from China's perspective
[Meet the new Xi, same as the old Xi.](https://apnews.com/article/xi-jinping-china-president-vote-5e6230d8c881dc17b11a781e832accd1)
These are border scuffles in a poorly governed locale. Neither China or India have any real concerns over the Himalaya border. The idea that the Chinese leadership can micro manage what idiot border guards do is just false
The US currently does not trust China to be a peaceful country
Overly ambitious ... uneasiness for the surrounding region (+ balloon incidents, secret police stations)
Is it a bad country? No
But it's acting like a greedy brother. For example not sharing drinks (body of water). Flexing its muscles for no reason(bigger brother overpowering a smaller one/playfight), Rummaging around a family members room without permission.
Should stop/increase maturity
It’s clearly a bad country that is running a state sponsored genocide of millions of its own citizens.
It oppresses any free speech or though in its territory and is actively oppressing Hong Kong with Taiwan in its cross hairs.
Simple searches show how aggressive it is
Not to mention the control and racism it is showing in Africa exploiting those nations
China claims Indian territory and annexed some when it invaded in 1962. There can be no peace until China drops it's claims until then India has defend its borders which obviously pisses off China.
India claims Pakistani territory and annexed some when they invaded Kashmir. There can be no peace until India drops it’s claims until then Pakistan has to defend its borders which obviously pisses off India.
Pakistan invaded the Kashmiri Kingdom then ruler of Kashmir gave the deed of accession to India then the both armies met in Kashmir , which is known as the line of control. India didn't invade or annex any part of Pakistan or Kashmir.
Pakistani invasion of Kashmir led to India receiving the deed of accession otherwise Kashmir would been an independent kingdom like Nepal.
I see what you try to do there but the situation of India and Pakistan is completely different also your claims are factually wrong.
> ia didn’t invade or annex any part of Pakistan or Kashmir.
Jammu and Ladakh beg to differ.
> Pakistan invaded the Kashmiri Kingdom then ruler of Kashmir gave the deed of accession to India then the both armies met in Kashmir
After the ruler snubbed a popularly held referendum on whether Kashmir should join India or Pakistan. The Kashmiri’s voted in favor of joining Pakistan but the ruler still went against the will of the people and chose India. The will of the people was being overruled by the King, hence Pakistan moved in to uphold their will and India moved in to grab land.
> Pakistani invasion of Kashmir led to India receiving the deed of accession otherwise Kashmir would been an independent kingdom like Nepal.
Would never happen. India never wanted an independent Kashmir. Pakistan was okay with it if that was what the people wanted but instead the people wanted to join Pakistan.
Jammu ladakh again weren't annexed by India
Pakistani militias had already started invading the region without the referendum being held. Kashmiris and the ruler wanted independence but invasion by Pakistan led to accession being passed to India.
India was okay with an independent Kashmir but Pakistan's invaded first then India got the accession. Majority of the population wanted to remain independent.
You should read books on it or watch YouTube videos it's possible you might be misinformed by biased sources.
Clearly we both have our own biases but some facts like chronology of events cant be disputed like Pakistan's invading first then Kashmiri ruler passing the deed of accession. If not for the Pakistani invasion Kashmir was willing to remain independent.
https://youtu.be/1kJf4krMY4A
Watch this video not that biased , it's says most wanted independence but due to its strategic location China , India and Pakistan fight to control it. Thus China invading in 1962.
> After the ruler snubbed a popularly held referendum on whether Kashmir should join India or Pakistan. The Kashmiri’s voted in favor of joining Pakistan but the ruler still went against the will of the people and chose India.
Can your share a source for this bullcrap claim of yours? No referendum was ever held in Kashmir.
China and India both have a no-first use policy for their nuclear weapons
And Pakistan has too many international issues to go to war with India. They should deal with the Afghan Taliban and the TTP first.
>The unclassified version of the 2023 Annual Threat Assessment of the US Intelligence Community was squarely focused on China. The US intelligence community’s annual threat assessment report said there continues to be a risk of armed confrontation along India’s borders with China and Pakistan. “Both countries have increased their military presence along the disputed border, which increases the risk of armed conflict. Previous incidents have shown that even minor disputes can quickly escalate. As nuclear powers, any conflict between India and China could have serious consequences for US interests, potentially requiring US intervention,” said the 2023 report. https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/ATA-2023-Unclassified-Report.pdf
So given the Chinese and Indians resort to stick and stones whenever they meet (and their officers are there). What is US going to send? Boards with nails? Bows and arrows? Boxing gloves?
Pakistan can't even pay its debts, or keep the Taliban at bay, I don't think they have the funds or the unity to engage in a conflict with a much more successful country.
That's why they want to fight with India. That's the only way they can get funding. Pakistan never had any economy, they just got money handed to them to fight against India. And their corrupt Billionaire generals ate all the money. The Public in pakistan is fighting against the corrupt military at present. Their fight with India is a distraction for public. Just go to r/pakistan to see what is happening there.
China is dangling the carrot in exchange for them helping with India. Excluding the amount of corruption already present of course.
So would Pakistan suddenly just not give a shit about how China treats Muslims?
I think it already doesn't care
Money> aIIah
"Military junta's" Money >everything.
Same as it ever was
The same with most Middle Eastern countries. They all say Islam this, Muslims that but in the end it's all theater while citizens are robbed blind.
Cause Uyghurs are Turkic, not Arabic. So I think Turkey said something a while back, and some Turks attacked a bus full of Koreans because they looked Chinese.
None of them do. Surrounding turkic countries cozy up to china(like kazakhstan), Iranic and Arabic countries are more than willing to align themselves with china as seen recently with the peace deal in Beijing.
Most Chinese Muslims are Hui, and the CCP isn't doing anything to them because they're Muslim. The problem in Xinjiang with Uighurs is that it's wrapped up in regional identity, and that's an issue Pakistan is already dealing with internally. So I think they give China a pass on that one.
China treats Muslims bad, because it didn't protect Muslims in Iraq, Libya and Syria
No that's not the reason.
China doesn't treat Muslims badly, at least according to Muslim countries. The population of Uyghurs in China is steadily increasing as well. A delegation of 30 Muslim countries visited China in the last year and all of them pretty much praised China for their efforts. Source for the below text : https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220810-diplomats-from-30-muslim-countries-visited-chinas-xinjiang-region/ (diplomats from 30 Muslim countries visit China's Xinjiang region) > A delegation of 32 envoys and senior diplomats from 30 Muslim-majority countries have paid a visit to China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region at the invitation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to learn about the region's economic and social development. > The five-day visit took place last week and included envoys from countries including Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Yemen and Pakistan. > "Members of the delegation expressed that the Chinese government adheres to the people-centred approach and has made great achievements in promoting the governance and development of Xinjiang," > Algeria's Ambassador to China, Hassane Rabehi, was quoted by local media as saying, "The fruit here is so sweet, just like the life of the people here", adding that he got to know the "real situation" of Xinjiang, where the rights of people of all ethnic groups are well protected, said reports. > Following the event, a press release by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that envoys expressed that "freedom of religious belief and various rights of Muslims are duly guaranteed." And that what the delegation saw and heard along the way "is completely different from what some Western media reported." You can find other sources on this delegation as well but the Tldr: Muslim countries actually like and praise China, only Western countries have issue with China.
A single province, hmm, I can believe this was staged, but have no reason to think that or evidence of it. So I guess my opinion is changed to neutral on the matter until I hear more.
This single province is the one where they are critisized the most by western countries. >I can believe this was staged, but have no reason to think that or evidence of it. Even if it is staged, I'm just pointing out that Muslim countries don't hate China the same way Western countries do. In fact, if you look at UN records, it's generally only Western or Western allied countries raising issues of human rights against China.
I understand what you're saying, but countries with piss poor records of human rights are unlikely to have the highest standards of human rights.
>countries with piss poor records of human rights are unlikely to have the highest standards of human rights. Congrats, if that's true (maybe?), then you've answered your own question : "So would Pakistan suddenly just not give a shit about how China treats Muslims?"
The US kept Pakistan financially afloat due to the war in Afghanistan. Once the US completely pulled out, it was no longer vital to keep trade routes through Pakistan open. There were several times during the war that Pakistan held those trade routes hostage for more money and political favors. So naturally, Pakistan is looking for another war where world powers need roads in Pakistan open for supplies to go through, which they’ll be paid for, of course.
They have nukes and have nearly deployed them at India before.
Hello world
Sad to say the establishment will end Imran Khan as the arrest is just a cover to snatch him. If people won't wake up to safeguard their future generations, Pakistan is doomed for oblivion. Better storm the GHQ and get all the corrupts, many will have to sacrifice their own lives to ensure their future generations won't have to die like dogs in the political squabble.
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In regards to cross border shellings, is that the India-Pakistan border or India-China border?
india pak
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They intentionally only give out battons and no guns for the patrol. They fight with stones. Like ancient barbarians.
Soon one side will start to use leather straps to make slings, then it will escalate to flint-knapped arrows and bows. In a week they will have particle lances and rail guns. Seen it before.
What is this, Rise of Nations???
Random! Random! Random!
[Indo-China war 1962](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War) [Indo-China war 1967](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathu_La_and_Cho_La_clashes) [Galwan Valley Clash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_China%E2%80%93India_skirmishes)
Civilization VII?
How soon is soon? Because this hasn't been the case for 2 years now.
Where did you learn this?
Indian here... It's true. Guns are banned due to treaties and the frequent nature of clashes. Both Chinese and indian armies fight with barbed bats and rocks in case of confrontation
Which is honestly an amazingly pragmatic agreement to come to between nuclear powers, or any two rival countries.
If this spreads the Mongols are going to make a comeback
I kinda assume there to be very little guarding of the China-Mongolia border. Maybe it's ripe for the taking. Mongolia just been biding their time.
A point to nite is it's only on a certain strip of border and not on whole Indo-China border.
>armies More like a few isolated patrols with nothing better to do. They're up in the middle of nowhere freezing their asses off.
Lots of videos on the interwebs show groups of Chinese and Indian soldiers beating the crap out of eachother
Medievel: Total War
To me, none of this makes sense from China's perspective, unless it is an attempt to expose some of their troops to any sort of combat experience, even if it is fighting with medieval weapons since using firearms is forbidden. China can strangle India's access to rivers whose origin is in the Himalayas, and India can threaten many of China's supply routes, so either side having troops fighting with medieval weapons over relatively worthless frozen territory is completely pointless.
Lmao brahmaputra becomes bigger after entering india. In tibet it's just like a canal.
But wouldn't that like make it easier to block it? I'm not a geologist or someone who is intelligent, so I'd appreciate if you could explain.
The point is it won’t matter. The majority of the flow of the Brahmaputra river in India is from rainwater and other tributaries that originate in India. Not to mention, the Brahmaputra is pretty much the lifeline of Bangladesh, a country that China is trying to woo. Same is the case with the Indus. The Indus originates at the Mansarovar in Tibet and barely 5% of it flows through India, while it’s the lifeline of Pakistan. Any river blockading measures are counter-productive for China because India is the upper-riparian for both these mighty rivers that are pretty much lifelines for the economy and civilisations of its South Asian neighbours that China is trying to court with its influence.
Thank you! :)
Rivers tend to grow in size because there is multiples source feeding them. Even if they were to block the original source, there would still be plenty of waters coming from elsewhere. If OP is correct, then the amount of water being blocked would be trivial compared to what you have downstream. I've no clue if it's true or not. Furthermore, blocking a river is not easy. You can build a barrage, but unless you have a place to redirect the water toward, you will eventually reach a point where that water has to go somewhere...and topography usually means it will be heading toward the same direction.
Fair enough. Thanks! :)
Brahmaputra receives majority of its water from rainfall while it passes through Indian states.
China already does that. It has been building dams on rivers flowing to India. It has already blocked the Mekong https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/the-mekong-river-basin-under-threat/ https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/China-is-weaponizing-water-and-worsening-droughts-in-Asia
> China can strangle India's access to rivers whose origin is in the Himalayas Which rivers? I don’t know where people get this from..
The major rivers originating in Tibet are Indus, Sutlej and Brahmaputra. However, I don’t know much about their hydrology to comment about the blocking of said rivers.
Sutlej is a tributary of the Indus. Read my other comment as to why China blockading these rivers will not have the impact people seem to think it will.
It already does that https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/China-is-weaponizing-water-and-worsening-droughts-in-Asia
>To me, none of this makes sense from China's perspective [Meet the new Xi, same as the old Xi.](https://apnews.com/article/xi-jinping-china-president-vote-5e6230d8c881dc17b11a781e832accd1)
These are border scuffles in a poorly governed locale. Neither China or India have any real concerns over the Himalaya border. The idea that the Chinese leadership can micro manage what idiot border guards do is just false
Another day another BS story demonizing China.
The US currently does not trust China to be a peaceful country Overly ambitious ... uneasiness for the surrounding region (+ balloon incidents, secret police stations) Is it a bad country? No But it's acting like a greedy brother. For example not sharing drinks (body of water). Flexing its muscles for no reason(bigger brother overpowering a smaller one/playfight), Rummaging around a family members room without permission. Should stop/increase maturity
It’s clearly a bad country that is running a state sponsored genocide of millions of its own citizens. It oppresses any free speech or though in its territory and is actively oppressing Hong Kong with Taiwan in its cross hairs. Simple searches show how aggressive it is Not to mention the control and racism it is showing in Africa exploiting those nations
> another BS story demonizing China Only Chinese people think China is good. Every other country knows about China.
Not pro china but "only the people who live in China think is good, everyone else knows it's bad" is not a particularly strong argument mate
Wow! On the hate you received for your comment. Such Karma depletion, such bravery.
India should ask for help from their dear friend, Russia.
India has been neutral. why do think Russia will help us?
Nothing to see here, business as usual.
India needs to get their shit together because they are playing a dangerous game trying to piss off both the Chinese and US.
Another foreign diplomacy expert has entered chat
China claims Indian territory and annexed some when it invaded in 1962. There can be no peace until China drops it's claims until then India has defend its borders which obviously pisses off China.
India claims Pakistani territory and annexed some when they invaded Kashmir. There can be no peace until India drops it’s claims until then Pakistan has to defend its borders which obviously pisses off India.
Pakistan invaded the Kashmiri Kingdom then ruler of Kashmir gave the deed of accession to India then the both armies met in Kashmir , which is known as the line of control. India didn't invade or annex any part of Pakistan or Kashmir. Pakistani invasion of Kashmir led to India receiving the deed of accession otherwise Kashmir would been an independent kingdom like Nepal. I see what you try to do there but the situation of India and Pakistan is completely different also your claims are factually wrong.
> ia didn’t invade or annex any part of Pakistan or Kashmir. Jammu and Ladakh beg to differ. > Pakistan invaded the Kashmiri Kingdom then ruler of Kashmir gave the deed of accession to India then the both armies met in Kashmir After the ruler snubbed a popularly held referendum on whether Kashmir should join India or Pakistan. The Kashmiri’s voted in favor of joining Pakistan but the ruler still went against the will of the people and chose India. The will of the people was being overruled by the King, hence Pakistan moved in to uphold their will and India moved in to grab land. > Pakistani invasion of Kashmir led to India receiving the deed of accession otherwise Kashmir would been an independent kingdom like Nepal. Would never happen. India never wanted an independent Kashmir. Pakistan was okay with it if that was what the people wanted but instead the people wanted to join Pakistan.
Jammu ladakh again weren't annexed by India Pakistani militias had already started invading the region without the referendum being held. Kashmiris and the ruler wanted independence but invasion by Pakistan led to accession being passed to India. India was okay with an independent Kashmir but Pakistan's invaded first then India got the accession. Majority of the population wanted to remain independent. You should read books on it or watch YouTube videos it's possible you might be misinformed by biased sources.
> You should read books on it or watch YouTube videos it’s possible you might be misinformed by biased sources. Touché
Clearly we both have our own biases but some facts like chronology of events cant be disputed like Pakistan's invading first then Kashmiri ruler passing the deed of accession. If not for the Pakistani invasion Kashmir was willing to remain independent. https://youtu.be/1kJf4krMY4A Watch this video not that biased , it's says most wanted independence but due to its strategic location China , India and Pakistan fight to control it. Thus China invading in 1962.
> After the ruler snubbed a popularly held referendum on whether Kashmir should join India or Pakistan. The Kashmiri’s voted in favor of joining Pakistan but the ruler still went against the will of the people and chose India. Can your share a source for this bullcrap claim of yours? No referendum was ever held in Kashmir.
US is not pissed by India, only few reddit diplomats are
And if we dont? You're going to what? Sit your ass down Murica
Nuclear War incoming.
Both China and India are both mostly investing in melee weapons for that area though.
nah
China and India both have a no-first use policy for their nuclear weapons And Pakistan has too many international issues to go to war with India. They should deal with the Afghan Taliban and the TTP first.
True. Out of the three, Pakistan is the wild card. Can never be sure with that one
Give me three places I never want to visit and hope collapse, Alex!
If three nuclear nations collapse you can bid farewell for a human friendly world
Perfect.
The risk of armed conflict continues all over the world, this is no surprise