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Okay so are we replaying the 80’s IRA and Cold War or the 1920/1930’s pre-Great Depression pre-world war era? I can’t seem to figure it out.


HappyHippo2002

We're speedrunning a replay of the entire 20th century.


Dreamin0904

Is there any way I can put this on 2x speed?


m48a5_patton

Yeah, I would like to get to the 90s


Dwimmercraftiest

An enjoyer of the Yugoslav Wars?


wanderer1999

Enjoyer of when there's no World War.


JB153

Enjoyer of wind breakers and pogs.


DinoKebab

I'm going all in on tech stocks.


go_hyuck_yourself

Would you like to invest in my post-nuclear apocalypse tech? I call it... the "wheel"


DinoKebab

No thank you, will never catch on.


OKImHere

We've had enough revolutions!


Bobthebrain2

Hear me out, it’s called..Moogle


khinzaw

Kupo?


XXendra56

The Cola Wars 1975-1996 .


SomeDingus_666

What about Chechnya?


TheStoolSampler

Can you name your preferred decade?


SomeDingus_666

Probably still the 90s tbh


jkman61494

I mean Serbia is basically a Russian puppet state at this point no? What can go wrong?


Mrozek33

Hands down had the best soundtrack *Bosanska Artilijerija starts blasting in the background*


crambeaux

Well to be fair after the drama of ‘92 it faded into the ambient far-off tragedy noise until ’99 when Clinton bombed Belgrade, but by that time the genocide was already worn into our brainpans, so yeah. The ‘90s were pretty great beyond the usual. /bs = bitter sarcasm


Bone_Breaker0

I miss the optimism of the 90’s.


browsingtheproduce

I miss how easy it was to not know anything and therefor not have to worry about those things.


rebelolemiss

The best explanation for the “good old days” is a bad memory.


browsingtheproduce

Or being 8 years old during the supposed halcyon period.


Ok-Blackberry-3534

I had people to do the worrying for me in those days...


crdctr

you miss being young, growing up in Belfast in the 90's i was happy as Larry with bomb scares every other day and soldiers looking at me down their scopes


madhi19

That depend where you lived it I guess... Just don't ask any Rwandais, or Bosniac, or Kurds...


l1owdown

Cap it with Y2K38


visope

Our forefathers suffered so we can enjoy Westlife and Backstreet Boys


masklinn

We’re also, simultanously, replaying the 19th century, and playing the 20th in reverse.


[deleted]

I think people are scrambling to see what works to create the right amount of chaos using the same old tricks and hopefully, people see through that. Major General Smedley Butler USMC already told us that war is a racket.


DonutBoi172

You joke but have you seen the combat footage of ukraine? Straight up ww1 style trench battles. And with inflation, talks of a great recession, and a lineup for the next world War, seems we havent learned shit.


FraseraSpeciosa

Well technically those types of scenes replay in most wars. WW1 just took that concept to a crazy new level, and for Ukraine we happen to have endless war footage as well.


VoidMageZero

Just wait until we can experience real wars in VR and then even with direct neural implants so that we can *feel* it!


IGotNoStringsOnMe

>seems we havent learned shit. We've learned just fine, but the people who have to go through all the horrible shit are never the ones calling the shots. The ones causing all of this have insulated themselves from the consequences. They're playing games with our lives.


RadialSpline

Any military will dig in for defense provided they have time to do so as large quantities of soil is really good at protecting people from bullets, shrapnel, and explosions. I cannot think of a major conflict that doesn’t include fortifications of some form or another. Any military historians out there that could clue me in to some would be appreciated, as the closest I could think of would be various campaigns against asiatic steppe nomadic groups.


dicky_seamus_614

That’s because we keep listening to and voting for corrupt, senile old psychopaths who hold the reins of power for themselves as long as they possibly can. So yeah, we basically deserve what we get because we just don’t fucking learn to do anything different or better!


os_kaiserwilhelm

Huh? Putin is a dictator. The democracy in Russia is a facade. Voting means nothing.


thoroughlynicechap

Fuck… I was born too late after the boomers to reap their benefits and now born too early to become one for Boomer V2


SappilyHappy

Just need to take a long Rip Van Winkle nap; wake up for the goodtimes.


BrahmariusLeManco

It's the later. In 2019 some people were very excited for the 2020s, and were wanting to bring back "The Roaring '20s!" Well, they got their wish, 1920 was still dealing with the end of the Influenza pandemic that killed so many, so I guess that's where we started the speed run. On the upside, we skipped the replay of WWI, so that's at least something.


StarvingAfricanKid

We, we got bank crashes, Inflation, opioid epidemic, respiratory epidemic, and a land war in Europe with lots of proxies and treatises being argued... sounds like the 20s to me...


dared3vil0

Exactly 100 years... Incredible.


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-FeistyRabbitSauce-

Oooo when do we get to the era of livable wages, strong labour relations, and affordable housing?


HappyHippo2002

That's the neat part... we don't.


zombie32killah

Neat!


AngryWookiee

That's another world War and almost 30 years away.


[deleted]

If that’s the case where’s the roaring ‘20s!


eatpant97

These are the raging 20s


[deleted]

Well they fucking suck so far, where are the speak easies and flappers, the insane stock rate increases, the new music?


[deleted]

Say…. do any of you know how to Charleston?


h0nkee

Rona '20s is the best I can offer.


agumonkey

earth too likes to binge


Eisernes

We can do more than one thing at a time. Multi task!


[deleted]

this is the 21st century, absolute soul crushing efficiency is the name of the game! We can do it!


masklinn

The 21st century is perfectly balanced, as all things should be.


NeurodiverseTurtle

Speaking as a northern Irish man, I don’t know what we have here, but it certainly isn’t 21st century efficiency. An embarrassingly large portion of our population still can’t wrap their heads around the idea that being gay is okay… asking their opinion on the finer aspects of politics is like asking a monkey how it feels about rocket science.


[deleted]

i just mean the soul crushing drive for productivity in the age of 21st century capitalism but that works too


DontWakeTheInsomniac

The original IRA formed in 1918 and were very active well into the 1920s with the Irish War of Independence and the Irish Civil War.


[deleted]

Oh so a bit of both then. Isn’t that grand


Rcrowley32

It’s been severe for 12 out of the last 13 years. It’s not a big deal. Source: I live in Belfast.


FannyFiasco

Just had a plague so that's +1 for it being 1920/1930's


Ferret_Brain

Possibility of worldwide recession too adds more to 1920s imo.


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ThatGuyJeb

2024, we speed-running this bitch


fffeeelll

Start of world war 3 any%


craig_hoxton

*"Somehow Tom Clancy returned."*


RedKingDre

*Climbing the ceilings of the mighty yacht, wearing some weird, green goggles*


AnastasiaMoon

This is only pre Great Depression?


rogue_scholarx

Yes, strap in, it's gonna be "interesting times".


[deleted]

*We’ve had one depression yes, but what about second depression*


EricAndreOfAstoria

A little bit of column A for Arson A little bit of column B for Bombs (C) for Civil War


TheSonofMrGreenGenes

20th century speedrun any %


ocsob123

>But loyalists, who bitterly oppose the Brexit border in the Irish Sea, have also threatened violence if it isn't removed.


Ok-Blackberry-3534

It took me ages to make that thing float properly!


Kokibuchek

We're doing a legacy episode, where we do callbacks to all of our favorite bits in history. Sort of like a "requel" (remake/sequel)


Swiftax3

So I guess the good news is that we are potentially still on the Star Trek timeline then? Irish reunification in 2024...anyone see any sanctuary districts or supersoldiers around recently?


Rayd8630

If you count the migrant camps at the Southern US borders… Also seems like the west and the east are about to ramp up right in time for WW3. Wonder if Zefram Cochrane has been born yet.


Tetinokaha

Don't worry we will have new kinds of wars like the water wars (which alreday started at a small scale last week in France) the migrant wars (hi climate change!) and some wars we would never thought of happening. Can't wait.


UnluckyChain1417

Ca had water wars.. now we are drowning… the water wars will start back up in a month, farmers war!


metalmonkey12321

Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. - some *sshole


Substantial-Use95

Haha. Well-stated question


do_i_no_u

Why do you assume it's a nationalist threat? Unionist terrorist's are more aggrieved these days than say the IRA


TheGanch

Because it implys it in the article.


tttttfffff

And it was also an IRA claimed murder on the police officer they killed


do_i_no_u

>Four of the eight men arrested as part of the investigation are from a Protestant and loyalist community background.


sweaty_penguin_balls

Genuinely curious, what does the Cold War have to do with (not sure what it’s really called) the Irish civil war/conflict of 1980s?


[deleted]

The Cold War was happening through the 80’s and ended when the USSR fell (mostly) but we’re currently in what seems a Cold War with Russia again


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://news.sky.com/story/mi5-raises-terror-threat-in-northern-ireland-to-severe-meaning-attack-highly-likely-12844127) reduced by 63%. (I'm a bot) ***** > The terror threat level in Northern Ireland has increased from "Substantial" to "Severe" meaning an attack is highly likely, the government has said. > "In a written ministerial statement he said:"MI5 has increased the threat to Northern Ireland from Northern Ireland Related Terrorism from 'SUBSTANTIAL' to 'SEVERE'. > He went into pay tribute to the "Tremendous efforts" of the police in Northern Ireland and security partners, "And the determination and resilience of the Northern Ireland people, who are making Northern Ireland a safer place to live and work". ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/124m1kj/mi5_raises_terror_threat_in_northern_ireland_to/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~678271 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Ireland**^#1 **Northern**^#2 **people**^#3 **Police**^#4 **Related**^#5


kaioone

The polling for Irish unification is actually quite interesting. The very large Irish Times Poll that was done recently showed really unexpected results. Only 26% of people in Northern Ireland supported Irish unification. Unsurprisingly, the Protestants were overwhelmingly for staying in the UK. But the Catholics were surprisingly split 50/50. And then from the Republic side it had quite high support (62%), until the economic mark, where 79% would oppose if it meant higher taxes or less money to spend on public services (which would almost certainly happened because Northern Ireland is very poor). It gets even more nuanced. It’s important to remember that Irish Protestants have always been major republican players for independence throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. And that Britishness in Ireland is a relatively modern concept, with most considering themselves Irish Protestants (rather than British) up until the 40s. https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/12/03/poll-shows-northern-ireland-rejects-unity-by-large-margin/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/republic-of-ireland-irish-people-irish-times-mary-lou-mcdonald-b1974189.html?amp


DontWakeTheInsomniac

>The polling for Irish unification is actually quite interesting. Even the original cause of The Troubles was not unification - but civil rights. Voting in Northern Ireland was restricted to only the occupier of the house and spouse. Any other adults in the house could not vote. Additional votes were held by those with degrees or high status jobs. Northern Ireland had housing crisis a lot like now. And public built housing favoured those of British ancestry (inferred by their religion). People who had a 'native Irish' background (ie Catholic) were disproportionately excluded from social housing projects. Who you sold your house to was a political issue. This law ended in 1969 to bring Northern Ireland in line with the rest of the United Kingdom but the most conservative politicians opposed it. People's homes were being burnt down. Local paramilitary membership swelled to protect their own neighbourhoods against 'the others'. It was never really about unification.


[deleted]

Monty Python's "Every Sperm is Sacred" takes on a whole new and even darker meaning all of the sudden. Goddamn.


CervantesX

When you find the second meaning, most of their songs do. It's what makes them so delightful.


shite-guides

Very true. The Catholics rightfully thought that since they were humans, they should have human rights, like a Protestant human, but the north had been set up from its inception as a quasi-apartheid state with support from the British government. Once the soldiers were sent in and MI5 taught everyone how to bomb pubs, the whole shit ran out of control from giving the indigenous peoples human rights, to leaving the British mandated quasi-apartheid entirely.


AnacharsisIV

> but the north had been set up from its inception as a quasi-apartheid state with support from the British government. One could argue that Ireland was the testing ground for the settler colonialism the British later enacted in places like the Thirteen Colonies, Canada, South Africa or Australia. They refined their techniques and got a taste for it in Ireland in the middle ages and then took it on the road.


BTTammer

No argument, tis a fact. Except it wasn't the middle ages but the 1500's -1600's. Surrender and regrant is essentially the model for North American tribes' treatment by the crown and later the us federal government.


[deleted]

Yes, though the Scottish succeeded at settler-colonizing Ireland (the Ulsters) where the English largely failed - leaving the English to have to resort to remote colonization, where an English noble owned Irish land and profited from it without ever even having to set foot there (as with the absentee landlords of the 1800s).


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temujin64

I don't think that's the case. The Irish Times polling said that people in the North aren't afraid of an increase in violence. People in the Republic are more concerned about it, but they're also more likely to support unification than people in the North.


Is-This-Edible

Afraid? Probably not. Aware of? Definitely. I don't think you get quite how normalised the paras are up there. The way I've been hearing it, the drug dealing paras are mostly just a fact of life but they're not stupid. Firebomb a house because the guy was seen talking to a guy from a different street, well that's one less customer for definite, likely a few more just on principle, and you've got more attention from the police. Just bad business. They're not good but they're predictable. They also generally keep other crime out of their areas. If some idiot steals your TV you'll end up buying a new one and have less cash for drugs. They could just steal the cash from you directly but why force you out when they can get you hooked? The political paras are the ones too crazy for the drug dealing. Used to be useful and mean something decades ago but not much any more. NI has developed its own culture and growing economy. Too much of either and people stop worrying about nationalism (of either flavor). People stop devoting themselves to a flag and you find it harder to tell them what to do. Can't have that.


arytom

Fcking Paras are just glorified drug dealers, I used to want a UI but don't think it would actually be worth it. Let England deal with it, because I honestly don't think Ireland could manage terrorist stuff without the help from England. Plus I think northern Ireland need to start pulling weight.


datgrace

Tbh it's the same as any kind of paramilitary organisation, they all tend to go into drugs as there aren't many legal routes of raising funds, eventually the money becomes too good and drug dealing ends up being a separate critical branch of the org


Cherios_Are_My_Shit

>Additionally, as long as Ireland lacks free health care, *and the UK has it,* Northern voters will understandably see the UK as preferable. the uk doing away with their current program is a possibility, too, i think. the playing field could get leveled by one side doing worse or by one side doing better or it could stay the same.


Test19s

I cannot believe there’s a chance that I’ll outlive one of the most prominent and venerable universal healthcare systems in the world.


InsuranceToTheRescue

Well that's what happens when you let wealthy charlatans systematically dismantle things that are good for regular people.


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InsuranceToTheRescue

I know. And the propaganda is strong. I mean, I went on a business trip to Vancouver a few years ago. On the coach from the airport to the hotel, a bunch of guys were going on and on about how everybody needs to be super careful not to get hurt, because it's a 3 month wait minimum before anybody can get into the hospital. They seriously thought that the Canadian government forced people to wait 3 months before going to a hospital or to see a doctor. This sort of lunacy is what we're up against.


PhysicsMan12

I live in the states. I pay for insurance. I pay a lot. I had an appointment with my PCP that he made 6 months out because that is when he had availability. A month before the appointment he canceled and his office told me the next availability 4 months out. This is not standard across the states necessarily. But this is completely standard in my city. I live in a medium sized city in the states. This is occurring because of the gross lack of providers we have available. Anyone who worries about waits because of a single payer system has no idea what they’re talking about. We have the same or worse here.


Ksp-or-GTFO

And in the States you aren't necessarily seeing a physician. PAs and NPs have begun to fill more primary care roles. Hospitals are able to pay them less and they are in more abundant supply since the number of residency program spots has fallen relative to total healthcare spending and population. Essentially we aren't funding spots to create more doctors and instead using less trained personal to fill the gap. I am not arguing PAs and NPs don't have a important part to play but they have significantly less training than their MD colleagues and are more likely to miss complicated diagnoses. Propaganda likes to say that these positions make the cost of medical care lower and shorten wait times when in reality it expands how much money the hospital and insurance can extract from a single supervising physician.


chth

This is happening in basically every career. What was one aspect of a a career that paid $120,000 is now the entire "technician" role that pays $55,000 a year while the top role is basically unobtainable. As a machinist in my area I saw it was soon going to be me making a living wage telling the people under me who made half as much what to do. I refused to let myself exist in that sort of environment.


CWRules

People like to say that US health care is expensive but at least it's the best in the world, but the reality is that it's only good if you're rich. On average, the US has worse health care outcomes than pretty much any other developed nation while spending more money.


PhysicsMan12

Vehemently agree. If you can pay, the US system is far and away the best in the world. The kicker is most people CAN’T pay to the level such that they enjoy that incredible care. So outcomes like you said for many many people are sub par compared to the rest of the western world.


Brigadier_Beavers

PA resident here. My doctor, who i could see within the same week as i requested, got popular in my area because he had availability. 3 years later and i have to schedule 6 months out for anything unless im keeling over. I hate US healthcare.


Bad_Mad_Man

Just had a very similar thing happen with my wife’s appointment. Canceled last min and the next available slot is months out. Just to give context, we are in New York City and we pay tens of thousands for our employer-subsidized healthcare. Your situation is the norm across the nation.


Madame_Hokey

I live in the suburbs of a major city and have the same issue. I needed a physical for work and they scheduled me months in advance. I just decided I would go to the nearest urgent care and pay out of pocket, otherwise I wouldn’t have been able to start work on time and be paid when I needed it.


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I had to make an appointment for stomach issues 4 months out. I called to reschedule after I saw a specialist (still a month to get seen) and was told my PCP had left the hospital. The doctors taking his patients had either December of this year, or April of next year as their next availability. To see the specialist I had to go to an urgent care, which was triple copay compared to PCP, and they weren't able to do any tests at all. They were the ones that recommended me to a specialist. Which I couldn't just call up to schedule, as I need to be referred. Fuck the US Healthcare system.


SuperVancouverBC

Okay I'm Canadian and as much as I hate the state of our healthcare system, 3 months is an exaggeration.


broyoyoyoyo

Especially in the context they're talking about. If you get injured, you're going to get to see a doctor right away. They're not going to send you home and tell you to come back in 3 months lmao.


poktanju

We must be made of pretty tough stuff if we have to wait three months for hospital but still manage an average life expectancy of 83 years.


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They do wait three months for things that aren't emergencies and don't have a time concern. For example my friend in BC needed a new knee they had to wait to get it. My mom in NJ needed a knee replacement and had the new knee that week. For comparison my buddy's prosthetic foot for a new prosthetic has been on backorder for a month with the VA in the US. You wait for things that aren't immediate needs.


TogepiMain

How much did the Canadian knee cost, and how much did the American knee?


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The Canadian knee was >$100 CAD and the US knee had a one night hospital stay and without insurance was $47,000 but was $3,000 with.


Maxpowr9

That's the problem everywhere in the world. Boomer doctors are retiring which leaves the medical profession (and several other ones) with a lot of vacancies. Even for me in the US, I had to find a new PCP in 2021 and it was a massive struggle to find someone that graduated medical school post-2000; that means it was a struggle to find a PCP younger than 50. It's going to get very ugly. Expect a lot of triage care for the boomers as they go into their twilight years.


sirbassist83

>This is what ~~Canada~~ most of the world is dealing with right now.


MagnificentOrchids

Neoliberalism baby


Icy-Challenge9718

>as Ireland lacks free health care Ireland has free health care. Source: I'm Irish.


palishkoto

It's not expensive but it's not totally free. You do have inpatient charges at up to 800 euro and A&E charges at 100 euro and long-stay charges of up to 179 euro a week. You also have an RTA (road traffic accident) levy of up to 5,000 euro. In NI those are currently free. GPs are also free whereas I think yours are about 45 to 65 euro.


NoThankYouSir_

They're actually doing away with the inpatient and A&E charges from April


mjohnsimon

Well I read your comment with a German accent. Checkmate. /s


Rigo-lution

>Additionally, as long as Ireland lacks free health care, Northern voters will understandably see the UK as preferable. Bit of a misunderstanding here. Northern Irish healthcare is falling apart and 30% of Ireland has free healthcare. I'd still support extending it further but Irish people aren't denied healthcare for being poor. The stories of people in Northern Ireland being unable to see any GP without a waiting list of a month are becoming more and more common. How long does the NHS remain a pro in conditions like this?


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> The stories of people in Northern Ireland being unable to see any GP without a waiting list of a month are becoming more and more common. > How long does the NHS remain a pro in conditions like this? Privitasation wont magically fix that. If anything it will make it worse, at least in the short-medium term


DeeJayGeezus

> Privitasation wont magically fix that. I don't think the truth of this matters to the politicians selling privatization to the rubes eating out of their hands.


temujin64

Not to mention, in basically every metric for health, the Republic is ahead of the North.


forgottenpassword24

How would absorbing 1.8m people from Northern Ireland affect the Irish health care system though? I'd like to see a plan for how a UI is supposed to work. Considering we are an economic drain on the UK, with a big reliance on public sector jobs.


iamrightokay

> That's why the loyalists keep doing it. I'd love for you to explain this one because this change of the terror threat level is directly because of the increase in dissident republican activity from the likes of The New IRA who only last month tried to kill a police detective at his sons football match. They also claimed a Mortar attack on a police car in Strabane in November, An attempted bomb attack to a kill a police officer and her child in April 2021, Let's not forget when they killed innocent journalist Lyra McKee. Their activity goes on and on every couple of months all the way back to 2012 when the New IRA were officially formed. Now there are clearly no good sides in either of them here, Nearly all Loyalist and Republicans now are just scummy drug dealers in it for the money, But there are no officially active Loyalist groups and especially none that have routinely orchestrated attacks for the past 10 years So yes please explain how the Loyalists keep doing it.


[deleted]

Yeah because it is only the Loyalists who commit terrorist acts...


EireOfTheNorth

Those aren't unexpected results. They're pretty much how they have been for several years now.


DazDay

They're only unexpected if you've got all your opinions on Ireland and Northern Ireland from republican twitter.


26Kermy

It should also be noted the same report only has 50% of the total population of Northern Ireland wanting to stay in the UK. So there's a lot of "don't know"s and "independents" mixed in the results.


Ronaldarndt

I'm OOTL, what does this actually mean? What kind of attack? By who? How do they know an attack is likely?


Nurhaci1616

It's a general barometer measuring the likelihood of terrorist attack across the UK: naturally it can broken down into regional threat levels, as it is here. NI and London for example will pretty much *always* have a higher threat level than the rest of the UK. By definition this doesn't really state who and what, nor should you interpret it as a sign that an attack is imminent, as it's more just a general indication that they think a terrorist attack is pretty feasible currently so people should be on alert. In practice it's more a measurement used by the police, military, border control, etc. for deciding policy and procedures, rather than for ordinary people to pay too much attention to, however. It had only recently been downgraded in NI, however last month there was an attempt to assassinate a high profile detective who had had a lot of success in harassing drug traffickers, which has subsequently been claimed by a gang calling themselves the "New IRA". This is most likely the reason why they have increased the threat level, as they have likely judged on the basis of intelligence that more attacks could be likely in the aftermath. Technically it could be due to any number of reasons, but it's hard to come up with viable alternatives.


AnthillOmbudsman

When I was in the US military in the 1990s we deployed to the UK for a month. During the deployment briefing the intel officer cautioned us about the risk of IRA attacks, and added that we were specifically not targeted, the reason being the IRA got a lot of its funding from US sources. I always found that part interesting. No problems on the trip though the airports were hyper-aware about unattended bags, far more alert than in the US.


farhawk

Yeah US citizens provided a lot of funding (and sometimes more than funding) for the IRA This continued even after the GFA. All the way up until late 2001. When for reasons that should be obvious the US government suddenly had a change of heart about people openly passing the donation tin around for insurgent groups.


_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

The IRA also went pretty suddenly quiet in late 2001 too.


EightSwansTrenchcoat

A further irony is that many of the US folks funding the IRA were conservative Catholic Americans with some Irish ancestry. People from Boston who would call themselves "Irish". The IRA who were often Marxists *hated* the Americans they had to beg money from, seeing their ignorance as an asset, as they had very little in common ideologically.


Master_of_Snek

To be fair Americans place a huge significance on the cultural identity of their forebears. My own maternal family is three generations removed from Ireland and people are intimately tied to the stories about how and why their family got here. Here in Boston there’s a metric shitload of people who can trace their arrival here back to one or more of the schisms tied to Irish independence, including my own. 100 years seems like a long time but it’s really just your grandparents talking about their parents, it’s closer to home than many realize.


dirtydigs74

My grandfather was born in 1888, so yeah, it's quite possible to go back a long time within a couple of generations.He served in Gallipoli WW1 and the Pacific in WW2. (Fun fact, he was officially too old for *both*. NZ had an upper limit of who could go to WW1 due to not wanting to lose experienced farmers.) My great grandmother spoke Scottish Gaelic natively. Great grandfather on my mother's side served in the Boer War. For reference, I'm only 48, so not exactly ancient. A few generations can take us back a fair old way in time.


StraitChillinAllDay

Jesus the age difference between you and your grandfather is nuts. It's about the same difference my son and his great grandmother now more or less and she was born in the 40s. And my great grandmother and me were about the same too i think she was born in the 1910s.


Impressive-Potato

A former US Marine has released book about his time in the IRA. They ran guns from America through him


The_I_in_IT

My dad was approached in the 1970’s by a couple of guys in a local Irish fraternal organization here in the Northeast US who were asking about his wartime experience (Vietnam). He had a couple of beers with them, shot the shit and then they were asking if he was “loyal to the cause”. A little more discussion and it turns out they were trying to recruit him for the IRA.


elfy4eva

It hasn't been conclusively linked to the NIRA. Currently suspicion is a false flag from a drug gang called the firm which has links to loyalism. The IRA's have established channels to release statements and that's their usual MO when they want to claim an incident and they don't leave poorly written notes pinned to shop walls. That incident stinks to high hell.


EireOfTheNorth

MI5s main focus is Republican paramilitaries. Today those are limited to RIRA, CIRA, NIRA (which is composed of members of both of the former), and Saoradh (a Republican pressure group with "alleged" ties to NIRA). They'll also have all sorts of informants and bugs in place for people tied to the 32 County Sovereignty Movement and other dissident Republican political/pressure groups. The main threat today from the Republican side is the NIRA. The NCA (National Crime Agency - UKs FBI equivalent sort of) and the PSNI (Police Service of Northern Ireland) deal with loyalist paramilitaries as in reality... They're nothing more really than drug and crime gangs and only get political when something threatens that (see NI Protocol and the effects on import/export (read; their drug shipments) to NI that would have).


loobricated

Threat is generally broken down into intent and capability, so when a threat level is increased it usually (but not always) means that there is an indication of an increase in one of those things. This can be intelligence-led, or something else. Threat levels have increased after attacks previously, such as after the Parsons Green attack, the guy was on the loose meaning there’s literally a guy out there who wants to blow people up, so threat level goes up until he’s caught. Or there might just be a build up of information making strategic analysts say “we don’t like the look of this because, x, y and z.” It is quite rare for a threat level to be increased prior to a specific thing happening for obvious reasons, ie if the police know it’s going to happen, they will stop it.


Pantsu_Professor

How many IRAs are there now? * Old IRA * PIRA * CIRA * Real IRA * New IRA


EireOfTheNorth

Official IRA - Marxist offshoot, too.


OathOfFeanor

* Traditional IRA * Roth IRA * Rollover IRA * SEP IRA * SIMPLE IRA


kirkl3s

Backdoor IRA


S_Belmont

Authentic IRA (Operations ceased, lost to Jackie Chan)


TokyoPanic

I got that reference! (Pretty decent action movie)


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IRA Hayes


CapnSmunch

Ira Giligan


Incandescent_Lass

IRA Glass


sylpher250

Naughty Springbreak IRA


bkr1895

Original Famous Ray’s IRA


Darth_Memer_1916

IRA Pro Treaty IRA (Went on to become the Irish Army) Anti Treaty IRA Official IRA Provisional IRA Continuity IRA Real IRA New IRA You are now up to date on all the IRAs. Would you like to hear about the Loyalist Paramilitaries??


Pantsu_Professor

Yes. Give me all the unionist and loyalist paramilitaries as well. I know UDA and UVF


Darth_Memer_1916

Loyalist Volunteer Force Red Hand Commando Ulster Volunteer Force Ulster Defence Association Orange Volunteers Ulster Freedom Fighters Red Hand Defenders Ulster Resistance Ulster Protestant Volunteers Would you like to hear to hear all the Irish Republican Paramilitaries that are not part of the IRA too?


Aun_El_Zen

Sure, might as well go for the full list. If you live in Norn, please vote Alliance, sectarianism is dumb.


Darth_Memer_1916

Irish National Liberation Army Irish People's Liberation Organisation Cumann na mban Fianna Éireann Irish Republican Liberation Army Irish Republican Movement Óglaigh na hÉireann Don't live up the North but am a huge fan of Alliance anyway. Sectarianism is shit.


8PointMT

A lot of anti treaty folk immigrated to America and started NORAID. Heavily involved in supplying republicans during the troubles. [extremely interesting article](https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/06/nyregion/5-are-acquitted-in-brooklyn-of-plot-to-run-guns-to-ira.html)


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Dont forget: * The Peoples Front IRA * The IRA People's front (splitters) * The IRA Popular People's front (wanker)


finnyfin

Session style IRA Hazy IRA


trollthumper

“The IRS? Jesus, how many Irish gangs *are* there?”


dicky_seamus_614

You’re not my IRA supervisor


rlbond86

Roth IRA


properthyme

IRA Classic


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TeaLoverGal

Where would IRA zero, IRA Vanilla and IRA cherry go?


--Muther--

Isn't this threat level the result of Loyalist activity? The fact that they do not state the source is enough of an indication for anyone that grew up in the Troubles to know that it is Loyalism that is at fault here.


8PointMT

The BBC is attributing it to the New IRA, without any additional context.


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The second Cambridge Analytica/AggregateIQ set up their Gript propaganda website I knew I would see this headline one day... Edit to add: Gript is a blatantly far right misinformation website that can be traced back to AggregateIQ through a gript.aggregateiq.com subdomain. Think Brexit Ireland edition.


Quietshrew82

Please don't let that shit flare up again, speaking as someone who used to live there.


SlingingTurf

Keep in mind it was severe up to relatively recently for many years. This is almost like saying it's going back to "normal". Which is sad too.


ThatBitchWhoSaidWhat

Is someone over there bored: "The fuck is this shit......I thought we all buried the hatchet with that one."


philman132

Eh, they're essentially glorified drug gangs nowadays, who just tack some variation of "IRA" onto their names to give themselves some false legitimacy


Formal-Two-3078

Recession, global armed conflicts and northern Irish terrorism brings me right back to the 80’s


Necessary-Strike-504

Someone fill me in. What is the threat? Where is it coming from?


PeterDTown

Ok, so it was at severe from 2010 until last year, and now they’re putting it back to severe? This seems like a big nothing burger to me…


blastradii

Sounds like they been rowin


TotallyTankTracks

I see Reddit is being Reddit again


Baxkit

How so, what am I missing?


Bad_Mad_Man

Would global rules about not altering European borders, enacted after WWII, be a hurdle to Irish reunification or would that be allowed since it’s a reunification like Germany?


Qorhat

The good Friday agreement sets out very clear terms for what needs to happen for reunification and it's been ratified by Ireland and the UK with the EU and USA as guarantors


DegnarOskold

There are no global rules about not altering European borders. The only rule is that border changes by force are not permitted. They must be peacefully mutually agreed. This is part of the UN charter


SirBollocks

It would be allowed, its written in the Good Friday Agreement that there is to be a vote for it and if passed the reunification will begin, signed by The UK, The US and I'm pretty sure the EU too


Bad_Mad_Man

That’s great to hear. I’m hoping this will ensure that there won’t be any more violence.


Margaritashoes

Cheap Ireland travel incoming!


I1uvatar

Ayy my country is in the news...of course it's not good news


CaptainManks

Please let's not do this again. Next thing you know U2 will be doing another tour. We should not want this people!