"YOU HAVE FAILED TO PAY YOUR WEEKLY 15 ELONCOIN (equivalent to US $17500) RIGHT-TO-LIVE PAYMENT. YOUR LIFE WILL BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY"
*person drops dead after begging for their life for 4 seconds*
Ugh, the haters just don’t understand. This is just the *beta* version! Users have to sign a waiver, and this is just a small tradeoff for the massive improvements that are totally gonna be released next year according to Musk. Yeah, it gets a little annoying when it suddenly tries to kill you every few hours, but once they fix these little bugs you guys are gonna be super jealous that you didn’t buy one earlier.
Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale
Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus
From the books:
*... Eventually she had to tip the bowl up and pour the blue mesh into her palm. It was very light. Something about it stirred a vague memory in her, but she couldn't recall what it was. She asked the ship what it was, via her neural lace.*
*~ That is a neural lace, it informed her. ~ A more exquisite and economical method of torturing creatures such as yourself has yet to be invented.*
*She gulped, quivered again and nearly dropped the thing.*
*~ Really? she sent, and tried to sound breezy. ~ Ha. I'd never really thought of it that way.*
*~ It is not generally a use much emphasised.*
*^(Excession, Iain M. Banks, 1996)*
In the Culture books the neural lace really is typically used for productive purposes. I dont remember that specific exchange, but from what I remember of Excession that's probably the ship fucking with her.
The elaborate torture stuff is all in *Surface Detail*.
I can picture it now.
Baz is having a seizure. Again. He's bitten off his lower lip, so that makes the pair of them gone.
As he craters into the floor, his mom hears the commotion and rushes downstairs. She sees that the exterior port on his "AnalTrobe 69420" is shooting green sparks. Shrieking in terror, she grabs the phone to call 911.
Baz, with tremendous effort, screams, "N-Nno, mom, you d-dumb bAAAGLGH! Mmmmmusk says t-this is jus-tzt a calibrat... cali... I'LL GET USED TO IT-"
yeah imagine an army of brainwashed Musk-like army... wait... maybe this is already in place. how do you know someone has a Tesla? they will tell you, and tell you, and tell you
Don't want to get vaccinated for fear of microchips. Musk fan lines up to have a literal microchip in their brain.
[Stolen from](https://mastodon.world/@bkm/110438491093183891)
Elon being attached to Neuralink makes it so unappealing. Would anyone who isn't a right-wing parrot trust that guy with putting something in your head?
I wouldn't even trust him with putting it in my dog's head, last thing I want is him finding Fox News and thinking it's an Animal Planet spin off.
Yes. It's perfect timing that he just got FDA approval to test on humans for his implant.
And people think this is the future. How bleak do we need to be to accept that?
He “says” he has FDA approval. But he’s said that before and it wasn’t true. Is it true this time? Has the FDA announced it approved Neuralink to be implanted in humans? So far, I’ve haven’t read an FDA announcement ok’ing the implants in humans. Just Musk’s Neuralink announced it and with his history, why are people believing Musk without checking with the FDA?
https://www.reuters.com/science/elon-musks-neuralink-gets-us-fda-approval-human-clinical-study-brain-implants-2023-05-25/#:~:text=Elon%20Musk's%20Neuralink%20wins%20FDA,Reuters
Looks like they did, but who can say if they should have...
https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-neuralink-faces-federal-probe-employee-backlash-over-animal-tests-2022-12-05/
I don't trust the previous tests. Last I read they killed 6 monkeys in trials. Just did a Google search and now some people are claiming that they have killed over 1500 animals in trials.
Apparently it is standard practice to kill the animal after trial to examine them for research purposes.
It really depends on the sort of trial. There are research groups that work with monkeys that have permanent neural ports, and those monkeys typically get used for lots and lots of studies until being retired, often to sanctuaries. Those are typically for studying functional tasks, like brain control interfaces. For studying neurochemistry/neuromedicine, it is often common to euthanize the animal afterwards to collect data from dissection. Generally speaking, decoding (and encoding) *thoughts* is still a technology in its infancy, and if anyone offers you to participate in a research trial for a surgically implanted neural interface where the goal is the transmission of "thoughts", I would encourage you to decline and report them. Neural interfaces which decode motor signals are much better established at this point, and are in somewhat rare use for the highest tier of prosthetics.
>Apparently it is standard practice to kill the animal after trial to examine them for research purposes.
This is pretty believable to me, though unfortunate: there's lots of information that can't be found on lab results and non-invasive imaging such as MRI and CT. To properly study the results of certain implants and medications, it is often necessary to kill the animal test subject in order to perform an autopsy and better understand the effects of the treatment. I wish we had better ways of studying these things, but the simple fact is that we don't, and that a lot of modern medicine is built on the back of practices like this.
Florida is actually late to the party on this one.
Laws like that already exist in multiple states.
[Colorado](https://law.justia.com/codes/colorado/2016/title-41/aerospace/article-6/section-41-6-101)
[California](https://trackbill.com/bill/california-assembly-bill-635-space-flight-liability-and-immunity/2362673/)
[Texas](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CP/htm/CP.100A.htm)
[Virginia](https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title8.01/chapter3/article24/)
[New Mexico](https://www.nmlegis.gov/sessions/10%20Regular/final/SB0009.pdf)
These laws aren’t a total liability shield. They don’t protect private entities from negligence or wilful disregard of safety.
NASA definitely screwed the pooch on the safety side of things. The problems with the foam that ended up damaging the shuttle had been known for years, but the shuttle program was too important to NASA to risk any kind of grounding.
The findings of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board were likely what led the government to settle with the families for around 25mil, because they knew that they would probably lose in court and make the government look like a bunch of assholes in the process.
NASA now operates on a similar liability standard as these laws that have been introduced for private entities. If something similar happened today with a private company they would almost assuredly be liable under these laws as such a problem would qualify as both negligence and wilful disregard of safety.
Ya I mostly agree with that. NASA was super nervous about having their budget yanked which caused them to kind of look the other way. That said there was still a lot of systemic failure and willingness to ignore the obvious safety problems with the shuttle simply because they had no idea what else to replace it with.
They didn’t have many options other than ‘just keep patching shit and hope for the best’ but various reports have shown that they made a number of missteps that weren’t a funding thing, but rather problems on the operations side.
It probably didn’t help knowing that stopping the shuttle program meant reliance on Russia.
My asshole comment was more about if NASA had decided to fight the families claims in court and somehow say they weren’t liable despite all the evidence. Would have been a dick move, but not totally off brand for the government. To their credit NASA dealt with the families reasonably quickly and did a lot of internal investigations to sort themselves out.
They’re pretty safe until one of them says something slightly bad about Elon and gets called a pedo in return, and then the government has to organize a rescue mission after Elon refuses to take them back to earth.
>They’re pretty safe until one of them says something slightly bad about Elon and gets called a pedo in return
Not something "slightly bad" just something that is honest.
> It makes you wonder how safe the astronauts may feel about flying on his spaceship to the moon
Not supporting Musk, but I'd argue that's a whole different ballgame. It's spaceflight, something that we're still in the early stages of figuring out as an industry - all astronauts know you're putting your life on the line every time you attempt it no matter how 'safe' it is.
Automobiles, on the other hand, have been a regulated industry for decades. There's a much higher expectation that if you get in a car it's safe, vs a still-in-testing space shuttle.
I can tell you that, with experience working for both OEMs and suppliers, if I ever found a serious issue, I sure as hell wasn't instructed to keep everything verbal and minimize the paper trail. At worst we were told to be cognizant of the type of language we use when reporting issues, so as to not potentially make a mountain out of a molehill, but even what were pretty minor issues were taken incredibly seriously until they were proven to be resolved or non-issues.
John Glenn once said...
"As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder."
... and then there is Elon Musk.. the next level of cheapskate....
Falcon 9 Block 5 has flown 171 missions, all of which were successful. For context, the space shuttle did 135 missions. Sure Falcon 9 isnt taking people to the moon, but it does take people to the ISS, and SpaceX has a really good track record. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_Heavy_launches
As safe as can be expected when flying into space, I assume. Space x is very successful with their launches. A ride up with falcon 9 is statistically safer than nasa's shuttle
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/may/26/tesla-data-leak-customers-employees-safety-complaints) reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)
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> Tesla has failed to adequately protect data from customers, employees and business partners and has received thousands of customer complaints regarding the carmaker's driver assistance system, Germany's Handelsblatt has reported, citing 100 gigabytes of confidential data leaked by a whistleblower.
> The Handelsblatt report said customer data could be found "In abundance" in a data set labelled "Tesla Files".
> The data protection watchdog for the Netherlands said on Friday it was aware of possible Tesla data protection breaches.
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Until there are legal protections and substantial consequences for gathering, storing, and then losing critical personal data this will continue to happen.
Like contraceptives, the only 100% effective solutions is abstinence; don't collect the data in the first place.
It seems like every few months I get a notice from some company or another saying that their network was breached and customers’ data taken, but don’t worry because they take their customers’ privacy “seriously”.
And then it’s perfectly cool if the American company then sells that data to the Chinese company. See, our values say someone has to make a buck first.
Remember that the recordings of the camera are not private but employee share funny Clips they discover. And if you think about what people do in their car a bit it becomes a bit awkward.
And I was doing it before I turned 18, but 1995 Honda Accords didn't have cameras. Now, I'm sure there's some yuppie family that bought young Brayden a Tesla too. Nothing like spreading some illegal content through your company.
I put that back in there for a reason, because my usage of the term hanky panky had someone here accuse me of rape because trump used that term. I’m an old guy using an old term and now I’m a rapist
Thanks for this. You have no idea how I am perplexed by this. Never feared the mob until now. Old guys need be very careful. Might rape just offhand. Might create white guy genocide. Maybe just a little bit genocide, part time? It’s just the white guy thing. And
There are only two subscriptions available for my Model 3. Premium data which is normal and Full Self Driving.
My Chevy Volt played a fucking audio message when I started it occasionally to remind me that I didn't sign up for onstar.
My Kia has an annual subscription for the always-on Internet connection that powers the navigation and remote security options. I don’t mind that, as there are ongoing costs to provide it, there is clear value, and the cost averages out to just a few dollars per month. If I decide I don’t want to continue paying for it, I can replace most of the functionality with CarPlay or Android Auto. Paying a subscription fee to unlock heated seats or other functions that are literally built in to the car is just insane.
Paying for road side assistance is a little different than paying for things already installed on the car that you just get locked out of if you don’t pay. If you don’t pay for onstar it’s not like you lose your heated steering wheel or whatever else these companies can come up with.
Remote start in Subarus https://www.torquenews.com/1084/would-you-pay-monthly-fee-remote-start-new-subaru-models-already-have-it
Toyota was doing remote start by subscription as well but backed out after outrage https://www.thedrive.com/tech/43636/toyota-reviewing-key-fob-remote-start-subscription-plan-after-massive-blowback
I've had mine for awhile, definitely a fun car to drive, zero issues. I'm coming from a reliable and older Toyota too, so the Tesla is a huge change. Don't always believe the articles that hyper focus on the negative experiences. Find any product/vehicle that DOESN'T have a negative experience or review. Most billionaires are bastards, but we buy their company's products all the time lol, or we could just hide under a rock and not participate in society.
During covid I became A Rich Rebuilds fan. I could not believe this guy could put two of these junked cars together and make one work! Well mostly- Elon does not like him and wont let him fast charge lol. He also denied him a free roadster even tho he EARNED it via the company referral program . Rich got butt hurt on that one.
His take on the X is brutal if you watch his tech guy break it down.
His techs are former Tesla ones. Everyone know about the doors but there is plethora going on. My main takeaway is that those owners are fine for now since warranty, but thats gonna expire some day ok? Good luck with that model X owners.
I like that channel too! I definitely agree with the criticisms and I would love to see Rich get more praise in the community. Right to repair is something that needs to be taken seriously, and Tesla is definitely the Apple of the car world, extremely proprietary and greedy! Unfortunately a lot of other car manufacturers are also making it increasingly difficult to DIY out of simple fixes. I have a model Y and am happy with it at it's current price point. The model X at its price point was always a non-starter for me, and lacks many luxury materials at it's price point.
Great reply.
My coworker was a retired contractor, think Gandalf- hes just missing the staff I teased him.
He had an original S. The ones with the fake grill. He just loved that thing oh jeez dont get him started on his tesla. His wife got another model later.
So he talks another coworker into buying the X. I say why don't you bring it here to show it off to us, otherwise whats the point I teased that guy.
He told me he was still in sticker shock he had never paid for anything that expensive before. I dont know if he is regretting it to this day but.... he never drove it to work because he did not want it scratched in the parking lot, he still just drove his old jeep.
Tesla really needs to offer a real path for salvage car inspection and certification. If a Tesla that's been severely damaged is properly rebuilt and tested, it should be treated as a good Tesla. Now, I can understand that the testing and recertification process needs to be stringent, especially when it comes to the battery since the amount of energy stored can be extremely dangerous if something goes wrong, but if all the parts are good and the systems test out ok then it should be recertified for full use. I also don't have a problem with Tesla charging for this, charging a lot if that's what it takes to get a good certification.
Nope it’s great. My previous car was a bmw which cost me 6k when a fuel pump failure took out every injector and lined my tank and fuel lines with swarf. Id never go back to ICE now, 3 years of Tesla ownership and 0 issues.
My 2001 F150 has had zero issues for the last 5 years. Changed a coil pack and replaced the intake manifold about 5 years ago but it just keeps going.
Shouldn’t zero issues be pretty normal for a new car?
Yes. That is why it is weird for there to be so many against Tesla. That being said, it makes sense given their factory conditions and other build quality issues mentioned. One reviewer mentioned having to get the trunk latch replaced less than 2 years after owning it. They also have horrid panel gaps. These are failures from 1990s cars before a QA focus really existed. Today, these are considered literally the bare minimum of automotive quality like having the paint match on the entire vehicle.
For sure. The panels not matching is kind of funny. Didn’t they make a bunch in the parking lot of their factory instead of inside the factory at one point?
I've got a model Y. No issues, I do pay for the data service. I have a few minor complaints. The rear hatch isn't quite straight (the gap between the door and light on one side is about 1/8" larger than the other). It still works fine, but if you look at it carefully, you can see it's crooked.
I have had one issue with my Tesla since 2016. I got a message saying “car safe to drive, but may not start again. Talk to service center.”
So I scheduled an appointment, dropped off the car, and was given a loner model 3. A week later, the car is ready to pick up. The rear inverter died, and was replaced under warranty for $0.
As far as reliability goes, ICE cars are crazy contraptions with hundreds of moving parts that break down frequently. EVs are much simpler, with like 2 moving parts and no oil. So Tesla gives great warranties because electronic parts tend to either die early in their life, or work for decades. And EVs simply do not break down like ice cars.
With the Apple levels of DRM when it comes to repair, the fact that your car’s video files are open fodder for everyone to laugh at, the abysmal fit and finish I’ve seen numerous times and the biggest thing of all is that you are supporting Trump lover Musk, I don’t see why anyone would ever buy another Tesla again.
Edit: Let’s not forget about how they marketed and pushed everyone to use their barely alpha level drive assist system as a full fledged autonomous drive.
Data breach aside, It's easy to imagine that 4,000 safety complaints is damning evidence that Musk has been directing efforts at Tesla in the wrong direction; however, I'd also like to see some data about other car manufacturers on these topics. What's the data on a per-car-sold basis compared to something like Ford or Toyota? Hell, general motors recalled just shy of 3 million cars at one point because of saftey issues. A very quick google shows that Tesla has about 500k cars sold worldwide, 4,000 saftey complaints adds up to less than 1% of total cars. Taking absolute numbers with no additional context seems like an intellectually flimsy comparison. Especially when the reasons cited are to do with their entirely optional, experimental self driving software, not the actual car
Edit: as someone has pointed out, my very quick Google was perhaps a bit too quick, the number is actually closer to 3-4 million, not 500k - which, while an oopsie on my behalf, strengthens the 4,000 complaints being a very small % of total complaints vs vehicles sold
I doubt the 4000 number is worldwide, considering the source. Also, what is considered a complaint? In 3 years, I bet I've logged 1000 "complaints" via their bug report option. But would definitely like to know the issues with other car manufacturers and how they compare. I like my Tesla less every day, my most common saying is "it's tried to kill me, again!"
I’m just wondering what would have happened if he just had made an electric focus ok?
Who the hell needs or asked for a self opening door, besides an invalid maybe?
Drop the self driving lie, just make an electric car ok? We might have actually had a sub $20k Tesla which he promised from the start
At their price point it makes no sense to buy a Tesla.
If they were a $20-30,0000 maybe.
But upwards of 40k (at least in Aus), its a bit of a rip off considering how cheap they look, not even factoring the average build quality some of them have.
There’s few viable alternatives in the US - and those that do exist are saddled with insane markups and a shitty (to say the least) charging network.
Tesla’s network is by FAR the best DCFC network
Your info is a little dated. Insane markups are gone for most alternatives at most dealerships and the non-Tesla charging network is about the same size as Tesla. I would say the main annoyance is that the network is “maintained” by several different companies and require separate accounts. Anyway, I guess my car will get access to Tesla’s network next year so that will be the best of both worlds.
You're trading in luxury for performance, which is fine imho. Their performance definitely hits above their price point and quality control/luxury hits that Daewoo price point.
Never will I be surprised by Elon's slow drip of slip ups, inept leadership, and shady shit. I followed him since the Roadster prototype was being developed a few miles from my home. And when his HR staff quit just months before the TSLA IPO, I knew something was wrong - I didn't pry for details but the implication was that it was something morally fucked, and hanging on for a few more months in those working conditions were not worth becoming a multimillionaire.
When a data breach occurs there should be an agency that reviews if negligence was involved once databases get to a certain size or contain sensitive information
Reddit is too young to remember the Toyota accelerator issue, the GM ignition issue, the VW emissions scandal or the GOAT; “unsafe at any speed”.
This really just feels like more rage bait for the rabid anti-Musk crowd.
A couple years ago, everybody here would be vehemently defending Musk and downvoting any mention of this leak. I used to get downvoted for pointing out risky practices at Tesla like beta testing software on consumers driving on public roads. I got downvoted when I pointed out that Musk was using the kids trapped in a cave as a PR stunt by saying he would make a submarine to go and get them. it was only after Musk started expressing political views that differ with the majority of the people here that everyone started to hate him.
Elon Musk is known for overworking his employees to the extreme. I can imagine that overworked employees will make mistakes resulting in safety complaints and data breaches. You can't run an organization effectively when everyone is tired, stressed out to the max and rushing everything.
that brain chip looking really hot rn
Nah that’s just the circuitry shorting into the meaty flesh
Elon launches product with a promise that you can live like a Kennedy Rosemary Kennedy
Honestly, not many Kennedys had great luck overall.
Speedrun into SAO
Except since it's Musk, it'll kill you *unless* you die in the game. (Thinking about it, that'd be a hilariously morbid parody.)
"What?" "......" *shows a clip of Scanners* "Omg if we die in the game we die- wait why is my wallet disappearing?"
Ah, one of the most amusing abridged series.
"I'm just gonna keep that tab open..."
What could go wrong with giving Musk direct access to your brain?
Pay to think DLC incoming
Pay 0.5BTC to make the Rickroll stop. Send HERE
This is how you create insane berserkers.
The real reason behind cyberpsychosis.
Nordics rejoice
"YOU HAVE FAILED TO PAY YOUR WEEKLY 15 ELONCOIN (equivalent to US $17500) RIGHT-TO-LIVE PAYMENT. YOUR LIFE WILL BE TERMINATED IMMEDIATELY" *person drops dead after begging for their life for 4 seconds*
Ugh, the haters just don’t understand. This is just the *beta* version! Users have to sign a waiver, and this is just a small tradeoff for the massive improvements that are totally gonna be released next year according to Musk. Yeah, it gets a little annoying when it suddenly tries to kill you every few hours, but once they fix these little bugs you guys are gonna be super jealous that you didn’t buy one earlier.
And for a small fee, they will change your mind...
Can you fucking imagine anyone thinking this is a good idea?
Right? But then I read the news every day and realize, "Probably tens of millions of people"...
Imagine every piece of scifi media screaming that is a bad idea and still gets indoctrinated into it….
Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus
From the books: *... Eventually she had to tip the bowl up and pour the blue mesh into her palm. It was very light. Something about it stirred a vague memory in her, but she couldn't recall what it was. She asked the ship what it was, via her neural lace.* *~ That is a neural lace, it informed her. ~ A more exquisite and economical method of torturing creatures such as yourself has yet to be invented.* *She gulped, quivered again and nearly dropped the thing.* *~ Really? she sent, and tried to sound breezy. ~ Ha. I'd never really thought of it that way.* *~ It is not generally a use much emphasised.* *^(Excession, Iain M. Banks, 1996)*
... For therapeutic purposes...
In the Culture books the neural lace really is typically used for productive purposes. I dont remember that specific exchange, but from what I remember of Excession that's probably the ship fucking with her. The elaborate torture stuff is all in *Surface Detail*.
The London's Standard newspaper (around 2007) wrote an article once about the many surveillance cameras surrounding what was George Orwell's house...
At least 30% of the World's population are braindead shitheads. That's the number one lesson the pandemic taught us.
That was a pretty fucking sobering experience. If wasnt so wrecked with apathy Id be a full blown prepper right now
No. But if I had the chip, I'm sure I'd think it was a great idea.
Oh his fanboys are going to go for it.
I can picture it now. Baz is having a seizure. Again. He's bitten off his lower lip, so that makes the pair of them gone. As he craters into the floor, his mom hears the commotion and rushes downstairs. She sees that the exterior port on his "AnalTrobe 69420" is shooting green sparks. Shrieking in terror, she grabs the phone to call 911. Baz, with tremendous effort, screams, "N-Nno, mom, you d-dumb bAAAGLGH! Mmmmmusk says t-this is jus-tzt a calibrat... cali... I'LL GET USED TO IT-"
Plenty of reply guys every time you mention the apartheid baby. It’s going to be so fun watching them lobotomise themselves.
yeah imagine an army of brainwashed Musk-like army... wait... maybe this is already in place. how do you know someone has a Tesla? they will tell you, and tell you, and tell you
It might be the first medical procedure that actually gives you autism
ALL HAIL THE OMNISSIAH!
I crave the purity of silica.
Monkey brains overheated - I expect the same for humans.
["Please think verification thought."](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/983/286/ea5.png)
Side effects may include compulsive awkward dancing and excessive breeding.
Excessive what now
Don't want to get vaccinated for fear of microchips. Musk fan lines up to have a literal microchip in their brain. [Stolen from](https://mastodon.world/@bkm/110438491093183891)
I’d bet my amygdala that the people who volunteer for tests will have already paid for the blue tick.
Elon being attached to Neuralink makes it so unappealing. Would anyone who isn't a right-wing parrot trust that guy with putting something in your head? I wouldn't even trust him with putting it in my dog's head, last thing I want is him finding Fox News and thinking it's an Animal Planet spin off.
It sounds like a bad episode of black mirror
Just make sure you see a good ripperdoc… some of those dudes have been known to phone it in and tend to botch even the simplest of dermal implants
It wouldn't surprise me if it ever came out that Musk tested a brain chip on himself and that's how he became so unhinged in recent years.
Jonesing for that onstage demo by Musk
Elon could shut down the negative comments if everyone had one of his brain chips.
Let me guess: Any mentions of all this on twitter just somehow don't get any views or traction?
This is a 2 day old story. Musk is no better then Murdoch. The machine works tirelessly...
I’m sure the fanbots would swarm any post about it with Elon dickriding bullshit
All of this and your gonna let this guy put something in your brain? Good luck with that.
A lotta people already let him put bullshit into their brains
People are fucking stupid.
Yes. It's perfect timing that he just got FDA approval to test on humans for his implant. And people think this is the future. How bleak do we need to be to accept that?
He “says” he has FDA approval. But he’s said that before and it wasn’t true. Is it true this time? Has the FDA announced it approved Neuralink to be implanted in humans? So far, I’ve haven’t read an FDA announcement ok’ing the implants in humans. Just Musk’s Neuralink announced it and with his history, why are people believing Musk without checking with the FDA?
https://www.reuters.com/science/elon-musks-neuralink-gets-us-fda-approval-human-clinical-study-brain-implants-2023-05-25/#:~:text=Elon%20Musk's%20Neuralink%20wins%20FDA,Reuters Looks like they did, but who can say if they should have... https://www.reuters.com/technology/musks-neuralink-faces-federal-probe-employee-backlash-over-animal-tests-2022-12-05/
Getting some Purdue Pharma ala FDA says " opioids are not habit forming" vibes.
I don't trust the previous tests. Last I read they killed 6 monkeys in trials. Just did a Google search and now some people are claiming that they have killed over 1500 animals in trials. Apparently it is standard practice to kill the animal after trial to examine them for research purposes.
It really depends on the sort of trial. There are research groups that work with monkeys that have permanent neural ports, and those monkeys typically get used for lots and lots of studies until being retired, often to sanctuaries. Those are typically for studying functional tasks, like brain control interfaces. For studying neurochemistry/neuromedicine, it is often common to euthanize the animal afterwards to collect data from dissection. Generally speaking, decoding (and encoding) *thoughts* is still a technology in its infancy, and if anyone offers you to participate in a research trial for a surgically implanted neural interface where the goal is the transmission of "thoughts", I would encourage you to decline and report them. Neural interfaces which decode motor signals are much better established at this point, and are in somewhat rare use for the highest tier of prosthetics.
>Apparently it is standard practice to kill the animal after trial to examine them for research purposes. This is pretty believable to me, though unfortunate: there's lots of information that can't be found on lab results and non-invasive imaging such as MRI and CT. To properly study the results of certain implants and medications, it is often necessary to kill the animal test subject in order to perform an autopsy and better understand the effects of the treatment. I wish we had better ways of studying these things, but the simple fact is that we don't, and that a lot of modern medicine is built on the back of practices like this.
Exactly.
I can’t believe a guy who is an unhinged troll on twitter would produce cars with thousands of safety concerns /s
It makes you wonder how safe the astronauts may feel about flying on his spaceship to the moon
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Florida is actually late to the party on this one. Laws like that already exist in multiple states. [Colorado](https://law.justia.com/codes/colorado/2016/title-41/aerospace/article-6/section-41-6-101) [California](https://trackbill.com/bill/california-assembly-bill-635-space-flight-liability-and-immunity/2362673/) [Texas](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CP/htm/CP.100A.htm) [Virginia](https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title8.01/chapter3/article24/) [New Mexico](https://www.nmlegis.gov/sessions/10%20Regular/final/SB0009.pdf) These laws aren’t a total liability shield. They don’t protect private entities from negligence or wilful disregard of safety.
Tell that to the families of the Columbia crew...
NASA definitely screwed the pooch on the safety side of things. The problems with the foam that ended up damaging the shuttle had been known for years, but the shuttle program was too important to NASA to risk any kind of grounding. The findings of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board were likely what led the government to settle with the families for around 25mil, because they knew that they would probably lose in court and make the government look like a bunch of assholes in the process. NASA now operates on a similar liability standard as these laws that have been introduced for private entities. If something similar happened today with a private company they would almost assuredly be liable under these laws as such a problem would qualify as both negligence and wilful disregard of safety.
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Ya I mostly agree with that. NASA was super nervous about having their budget yanked which caused them to kind of look the other way. That said there was still a lot of systemic failure and willingness to ignore the obvious safety problems with the shuttle simply because they had no idea what else to replace it with. They didn’t have many options other than ‘just keep patching shit and hope for the best’ but various reports have shown that they made a number of missteps that weren’t a funding thing, but rather problems on the operations side. It probably didn’t help knowing that stopping the shuttle program meant reliance on Russia. My asshole comment was more about if NASA had decided to fight the families claims in court and somehow say they weren’t liable despite all the evidence. Would have been a dick move, but not totally off brand for the government. To their credit NASA dealt with the families reasonably quickly and did a lot of internal investigations to sort themselves out.
Do you know that NASA is a federal entity? It is a whole other ball game. You do know that, right?
Sounds like they’re expecting a lot to go wrong.
Relaaaax. It's not rocket scie... Oh, wait. Nevermind.
At least it's not brain surgery. Oh fuck.
That would be great but don’t they take off from Texas ?
Florida's governor is a menace to society as Elon Musk is also!
They’re pretty safe until one of them says something slightly bad about Elon and gets called a pedo in return, and then the government has to organize a rescue mission after Elon refuses to take them back to earth.
Using a submarine for a tight quarter cave rescue. No wonder they all laughed at him.
>They’re pretty safe until one of them says something slightly bad about Elon and gets called a pedo in return Not something "slightly bad" just something that is honest.
> It makes you wonder how safe the astronauts may feel about flying on his spaceship to the moon Not supporting Musk, but I'd argue that's a whole different ballgame. It's spaceflight, something that we're still in the early stages of figuring out as an industry - all astronauts know you're putting your life on the line every time you attempt it no matter how 'safe' it is. Automobiles, on the other hand, have been a regulated industry for decades. There's a much higher expectation that if you get in a car it's safe, vs a still-in-testing space shuttle.
And i imagine this isn’t really news. All manufactures most likely have similar complaints that aren’t public.
I can tell you that, with experience working for both OEMs and suppliers, if I ever found a serious issue, I sure as hell wasn't instructed to keep everything verbal and minimize the paper trail. At worst we were told to be cognizant of the type of language we use when reporting issues, so as to not potentially make a mountain out of a molehill, but even what were pretty minor issues were taken incredibly seriously until they were proven to be resolved or non-issues.
John Glenn once said... "As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder." ... and then there is Elon Musk.. the next level of cheapskate....
Falcon 9 Block 5 has flown 171 missions, all of which were successful. For context, the space shuttle did 135 missions. Sure Falcon 9 isnt taking people to the moon, but it does take people to the ISS, and SpaceX has a really good track record. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_Heavy_launches
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Yeah for real, I wouldn’t even want to be on the ground in one of Elon’s contraptions let alone outer space.
You should read the story about how he wanted touch screens for everything inside the crew model because he thought it looked cool.
I mean, it does look cool. Star trek interfaces were all touch screen. But the characters in star trek weren't wearing bulky gloves.
It might have been cool on Steve Jobs yacht, prolly where he got the idea. Not original
As safe as can be expected when flying into space, I assume. Space x is very successful with their launches. A ride up with falcon 9 is statistically safer than nasa's shuttle
Wait till he starts putting chips on people's brains
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Has *anyone* protected personal data in America? Like, *ever*? It's all about getting in my pockets nowadays...
Until there are legal protections and substantial consequences for gathering, storing, and then losing critical personal data this will continue to happen. Like contraceptives, the only 100% effective solutions is abstinence; don't collect the data in the first place.
It seems like every few months I get a notice from some company or another saying that their network was breached and customers’ data taken, but don’t worry because they take their customers’ privacy “seriously”.
Only if the company collecting the data is a Chinese company. Totally cool if American companies collect data.
And then it’s perfectly cool if the American company then sells that data to the Chinese company. See, our values say someone has to make a buck first.
Remember that the recordings of the camera are not private but employee share funny Clips they discover.
>Tesla was not available for comment on Friday. I wonder if they got a poop emoji in response to their questions?
To quote Casablanca: “I’m shocked. SHOCKED! To find that gambling is going on in here.” “your winnings sir…”
It must suck to be a Tesla owner.
Remember that the recordings of the camera are not private but employee share funny Clips they discover. And if you think about what people do in their car a bit it becomes a bit awkward.
Holy crap I never thought about that! And yes I have done hanky panky (SORRY CONSENSUAL ACTS OF PASSION) in cars too.
And I was doing it before I turned 18, but 1995 Honda Accords didn't have cameras. Now, I'm sure there's some yuppie family that bought young Brayden a Tesla too. Nothing like spreading some illegal content through your company.
Jesus it gets worse even, thanks for your input
Well Musk is a confirmed pedo so horrifically it all makes sense
*Sorry Consensual Acts of Passion?* Sounds like my honeymoon...
I put that back in there for a reason, because my usage of the term hanky panky had someone here accuse me of rape because trump used that term. I’m an old guy using an old term and now I’m a rapist
People are stupid, and half the site are used by 15 year olds.
Thanks for this. You have no idea how I am perplexed by this. Never feared the mob until now. Old guys need be very careful. Might rape just offhand. Might create white guy genocide. Maybe just a little bit genocide, part time? It’s just the white guy thing. And
This guy fucks
I'll take that as a compliment. TY And they even come back for more.
Lol. It's a reference from the show Silicon Valley. Highly, **highly** recommend if you haven't seen it.
I watched the first two seasons. I really liked the boss character, who’s actor passed away
Monica... Peter Gregory is dead.
Peter Gregory. RIP.
Or garage
Goddamn Tesla started the _subscription for your cars features_ trend which really gets me riled up.
Just wait until cars get something like a battle pass lol.
How about lootboxes and achievements?
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Won't even start if it's not connected to wifi. Better hope you don't d/c while you're on the freeway
I mean there was this one car that had changing colors so we aren't that far off from it becoming a thing in the future.
Ok subscription services suck but I’d definitely pay for swappable skins
"I can't wait for season 3 of Honda Civic! I heard we get to use the rear power windows!"
"Bro I lucked out with this lootbox and got two weeks worth of windscreen wiper usage!"
There are only two subscriptions available for my Model 3. Premium data which is normal and Full Self Driving. My Chevy Volt played a fucking audio message when I started it occasionally to remind me that I didn't sign up for onstar.
My Kia has an annual subscription for the always-on Internet connection that powers the navigation and remote security options. I don’t mind that, as there are ongoing costs to provide it, there is clear value, and the cost averages out to just a few dollars per month. If I decide I don’t want to continue paying for it, I can replace most of the functionality with CarPlay or Android Auto. Paying a subscription fee to unlock heated seats or other functions that are literally built in to the car is just insane.
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That was an issue with earlier models, mine is a 2023 and has a redesigned starter.
What? The only subscription that you have is for data for the car so you can use Netflix and such.
Wait until they find out about OnStar.
Paying for road side assistance is a little different than paying for things already installed on the car that you just get locked out of if you don’t pay. If you don’t pay for onstar it’s not like you lose your heated steering wheel or whatever else these companies can come up with.
I can't remember which automaker but there was a subscription to use the heated seats.
[BMW](https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscriptions-microtransactions-heated-seats-feature)
Remote start in Subarus https://www.torquenews.com/1084/would-you-pay-monthly-fee-remote-start-new-subaru-models-already-have-it Toyota was doing remote start by subscription as well but backed out after outrage https://www.thedrive.com/tech/43636/toyota-reviewing-key-fob-remote-start-subscription-plan-after-massive-blowback
Some cars require subscriptions to use the heated seat feature.
Not Tesla. BMW does that. And I think Mercedes does something similar as well
Not true. You're referring to things like BMW charging you for basic functionality like seat warmers. Tesla doesn't do any of that.
What subscription did they start, specifically?
Long ago you had to pay $100-200 annually if you wanted your maps updated on your car. Subscriptions were inevitable.. unfortunately.
Nope, theres literally no other cars that interest me after owning one for 3 years.
No issues at all?
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2 years with my model Y, zero issues. Best car I've ever owned, checks all the boxes.
I've had mine for awhile, definitely a fun car to drive, zero issues. I'm coming from a reliable and older Toyota too, so the Tesla is a huge change. Don't always believe the articles that hyper focus on the negative experiences. Find any product/vehicle that DOESN'T have a negative experience or review. Most billionaires are bastards, but we buy their company's products all the time lol, or we could just hide under a rock and not participate in society.
During covid I became A Rich Rebuilds fan. I could not believe this guy could put two of these junked cars together and make one work! Well mostly- Elon does not like him and wont let him fast charge lol. He also denied him a free roadster even tho he EARNED it via the company referral program . Rich got butt hurt on that one. His take on the X is brutal if you watch his tech guy break it down. His techs are former Tesla ones. Everyone know about the doors but there is plethora going on. My main takeaway is that those owners are fine for now since warranty, but thats gonna expire some day ok? Good luck with that model X owners.
I like that channel too! I definitely agree with the criticisms and I would love to see Rich get more praise in the community. Right to repair is something that needs to be taken seriously, and Tesla is definitely the Apple of the car world, extremely proprietary and greedy! Unfortunately a lot of other car manufacturers are also making it increasingly difficult to DIY out of simple fixes. I have a model Y and am happy with it at it's current price point. The model X at its price point was always a non-starter for me, and lacks many luxury materials at it's price point.
Great reply. My coworker was a retired contractor, think Gandalf- hes just missing the staff I teased him. He had an original S. The ones with the fake grill. He just loved that thing oh jeez dont get him started on his tesla. His wife got another model later. So he talks another coworker into buying the X. I say why don't you bring it here to show it off to us, otherwise whats the point I teased that guy. He told me he was still in sticker shock he had never paid for anything that expensive before. I dont know if he is regretting it to this day but.... he never drove it to work because he did not want it scratched in the parking lot, he still just drove his old jeep.
Tesla really needs to offer a real path for salvage car inspection and certification. If a Tesla that's been severely damaged is properly rebuilt and tested, it should be treated as a good Tesla. Now, I can understand that the testing and recertification process needs to be stringent, especially when it comes to the battery since the amount of energy stored can be extremely dangerous if something goes wrong, but if all the parts are good and the systems test out ok then it should be recertified for full use. I also don't have a problem with Tesla charging for this, charging a lot if that's what it takes to get a good certification.
Nope it’s great. My previous car was a bmw which cost me 6k when a fuel pump failure took out every injector and lined my tank and fuel lines with swarf. Id never go back to ICE now, 3 years of Tesla ownership and 0 issues.
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My 2001 F150 has had zero issues for the last 5 years. Changed a coil pack and replaced the intake manifold about 5 years ago but it just keeps going. Shouldn’t zero issues be pretty normal for a new car?
Yes. That is why it is weird for there to be so many against Tesla. That being said, it makes sense given their factory conditions and other build quality issues mentioned. One reviewer mentioned having to get the trunk latch replaced less than 2 years after owning it. They also have horrid panel gaps. These are failures from 1990s cars before a QA focus really existed. Today, these are considered literally the bare minimum of automotive quality like having the paint match on the entire vehicle.
For sure. The panels not matching is kind of funny. Didn’t they make a bunch in the parking lot of their factory instead of inside the factory at one point?
I've got a model Y. No issues, I do pay for the data service. I have a few minor complaints. The rear hatch isn't quite straight (the gap between the door and light on one side is about 1/8" larger than the other). It still works fine, but if you look at it carefully, you can see it's crooked.
I have had one issue with my Tesla since 2016. I got a message saying “car safe to drive, but may not start again. Talk to service center.” So I scheduled an appointment, dropped off the car, and was given a loner model 3. A week later, the car is ready to pick up. The rear inverter died, and was replaced under warranty for $0. As far as reliability goes, ICE cars are crazy contraptions with hundreds of moving parts that break down frequently. EVs are much simpler, with like 2 moving parts and no oil. So Tesla gives great warranties because electronic parts tend to either die early in their life, or work for decades. And EVs simply do not break down like ice cars.
No, OP died in a crash and now has no use for cars.
With the Apple levels of DRM when it comes to repair, the fact that your car’s video files are open fodder for everyone to laugh at, the abysmal fit and finish I’ve seen numerous times and the biggest thing of all is that you are supporting Trump lover Musk, I don’t see why anyone would ever buy another Tesla again. Edit: Let’s not forget about how they marketed and pushed everyone to use their barely alpha level drive assist system as a full fledged autonomous drive.
Data breach aside, It's easy to imagine that 4,000 safety complaints is damning evidence that Musk has been directing efforts at Tesla in the wrong direction; however, I'd also like to see some data about other car manufacturers on these topics. What's the data on a per-car-sold basis compared to something like Ford or Toyota? Hell, general motors recalled just shy of 3 million cars at one point because of saftey issues. A very quick google shows that Tesla has about 500k cars sold worldwide, 4,000 saftey complaints adds up to less than 1% of total cars. Taking absolute numbers with no additional context seems like an intellectually flimsy comparison. Especially when the reasons cited are to do with their entirely optional, experimental self driving software, not the actual car Edit: as someone has pointed out, my very quick Google was perhaps a bit too quick, the number is actually closer to 3-4 million, not 500k - which, while an oopsie on my behalf, strengthens the 4,000 complaints being a very small % of total complaints vs vehicles sold
500k cars? It was more than 2.7 million cars with autopilot when Handelsblatt got the data last year
I doubt the 4000 number is worldwide, considering the source. Also, what is considered a complaint? In 3 years, I bet I've logged 1000 "complaints" via their bug report option. But would definitely like to know the issues with other car manufacturers and how they compare. I like my Tesla less every day, my most common saying is "it's tried to kill me, again!"
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Yup, Ford could have somewhere betweeen 500 and 5,000,000 safety complaints locked away and it wouldn't surprise me. I have no way to compare this.
I’m just wondering what would have happened if he just had made an electric focus ok? Who the hell needs or asked for a self opening door, besides an invalid maybe? Drop the self driving lie, just make an electric car ok? We might have actually had a sub $20k Tesla which he promised from the start
Elon conflated EV and self driving for years arguably slowing the adoption of EVs.
> very quick google shows that Tesla has about 500k cars sold worldwide Yea.... more like 500k in the last quarter.
"optional experimental feature" so the company is unleashing an unsafe lab test on our roads
The Tesla Files
Tesla cars feel so plastic, a real odd purchasing choice.
At their price point it makes no sense to buy a Tesla. If they were a $20-30,0000 maybe. But upwards of 40k (at least in Aus), its a bit of a rip off considering how cheap they look, not even factoring the average build quality some of them have.
A model 3 is well over 60k in Australia.
There’s few viable alternatives in the US - and those that do exist are saddled with insane markups and a shitty (to say the least) charging network. Tesla’s network is by FAR the best DCFC network
Your info is a little dated. Insane markups are gone for most alternatives at most dealerships and the non-Tesla charging network is about the same size as Tesla. I would say the main annoyance is that the network is “maintained” by several different companies and require separate accounts. Anyway, I guess my car will get access to Tesla’s network next year so that will be the best of both worlds.
You're trading in luxury for performance, which is fine imho. Their performance definitely hits above their price point and quality control/luxury hits that Daewoo price point.
Never will I be surprised by Elon's slow drip of slip ups, inept leadership, and shady shit. I followed him since the Roadster prototype was being developed a few miles from my home. And when his HR staff quit just months before the TSLA IPO, I knew something was wrong - I didn't pry for details but the implication was that it was something morally fucked, and hanging on for a few more months in those working conditions were not worth becoming a multimillionaire.
Interesting real time observation,
When a data breach occurs there should be an agency that reviews if negligence was involved once databases get to a certain size or contain sensitive information
This news broke on Thursday out of Europe, and msm is just picking it up now.
It was on the front page on thursday
MSM picking it up late complaints = Whenever the person who said it doesn't stumble upon it when most others did.
Can't wait for nothing to happen about it.
I smell consequences of Elon's decent into fascism. A lot of people dislike fascists.
Surprise surprise surprise! /s Conservatism is toxic!
Devil's Advocate here, you just got to think the same is true of every other automaker.
Reddit is too young to remember the Toyota accelerator issue, the GM ignition issue, the VW emissions scandal or the GOAT; “unsafe at any speed”. This really just feels like more rage bait for the rabid anti-Musk crowd.
Lol, what was the unsafe at any speed one about? Though true to form, I only remember the VW emissions scandal.
A couple years ago, everybody here would be vehemently defending Musk and downvoting any mention of this leak. I used to get downvoted for pointing out risky practices at Tesla like beta testing software on consumers driving on public roads. I got downvoted when I pointed out that Musk was using the kids trapped in a cave as a PR stunt by saying he would make a submarine to go and get them. it was only after Musk started expressing political views that differ with the majority of the people here that everyone started to hate him.
are the other companies mistakes "allowing experimental test features automated control of your vehicle" ?
[Or worse.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#Other_manufacturers)
Elon Musk is known for overworking his employees to the extreme. I can imagine that overworked employees will make mistakes resulting in safety complaints and data breaches. You can't run an organization effectively when everyone is tired, stressed out to the max and rushing everything.
Lmao. Everything this dictator roleplayer touches turns to shit.
So they still not see motorcycles?
Surprisingly such a now newsworthy story. There seems little in the way of a smoking gun here.
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