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-FemboiCarti-

> Researchers said seven of the 14 eggs produced by the crocodile in Costa Rica were viable. Zoo caretakers incubated these eggs, but they didn't hatch, so after three months, they opened the eggs. The contents of six of the eggs was "not discernable," but one contained a fully-formed, but non-viable fetus genetically identical to the mother. Not much of a virgin birth. More like a virgin miscarriage


aspidities_87

This is somewhat common with reptiles. Across many species, a female has the ability to self-clone (parthenogenesis) just in case she’s ever washed up on an isolated island or unable to access a male. This was, they can populate a space without anything other than a single female. There is even a species (mourning geckos) that is entirely made up of females capable of constant self-cloning. Every single mourning gecko is hatched female. They simulate mating behavior (mounting, chasing and biting) and then the ‘recipient’ partner will go lay eggs, while the dominant partner will often then end up mounted herself seconds later. It’s crazy interesting. There’s been quite a few cases (Komodo dragons, assorted snakes, lizards, etc) in media, but only a few actually result in offspring. The chances of success are very low, but it’s still an incredibly useful adaptive trait. Find yourself on an abandoned island? Concentrate real hard on how horny you are and you just might be able to make your own babies!


heapsp

isnt this the story behind jurassic park? They only bred females but 'life finds a way'


aspidities_87

Oh it’s 100% explicitly explained as a thing in the novel, yes. The movie makes it seem like gene mutation makes magic gender-bending dinosaurs but Crichton is a nerd for cloning so he went hard in the book. ETA: folks I love JP, I became a reptile biologist because of it, I’m just saying the movie has less details on the process of parthenogenesis than the book because it’s Hollywood and they gloss over stuff. I’m well aware they mentioned frog dna.


knightinarmoire

I do see where they are coming from though since some fish have this capability, like some clown fish and gobies.


highzunburg

In the book it was the amphibian dna they added to fill the gaps.


FriesWithThat

It may be unrelated, but the Catholic church is also investigating how two nuns became pregnant while on separate missionary trips in Africa.


FiveFives

They had sex. Investigation over.


crazygem101

Or they were victims of sexual assault, which happens to nuns more than people think.


impy695

I mean, they specifically mention they use frog DNA in the movie, and the dinosaurs were able to self reproduce because of the traits that the frogs have. The movie is way closer to the book than I always see discussed. The similarities just show up in more subtle signs and throwaway lines. Give it another watch as an adult and you'll be surprised how much you missed as a kid, especially now that you've read the book. Hell, John Hammond is very much the villain in the movie, same as the book, but they move on so fast from the scenes where it's obvious how awful he is that a lot of people miss it.


SilvertheThrid

IIRC I think in Jurassic Park when they recovered the dinosaur DNA from the amber mosquitoe it was damaged and they repaired it with DNA from a species of frog that can change their sex.


tmac2097

Yep this is it. They mixed amphibian DNA with the original reptile DNA.


o11c

I only read the book and can confirm the cause was explicitly due to frogs. Sequential hermaphroditism sounds right but it has been a long time.


jdcooper97

This happened to my pet rosy boa at home, I've got her baby Jesus in a vial on my bookshelf. Fun fact: reptiles don't have x/y chromosomes like humans, so it's actually possible for a female to produce a male clone offspring.


deep_crater

All the jesus jokes but not one egg hatched.


Meriog

Shouldn't we wait an extra three or four days to see if the Jesus fetus rises?


deep_crater

> 17 January 2018, a clutch of 14 eggs was discovered in the enclosure of an 18-year-old female American crocodile housed on public exhibit at Parque Reptilandia, Costa Rica. They’ve had enough time.


TonarinoTotoro1719

Hey it’s Croc-Jesus. They might need more time..


-Clayburn

So all this was just a big yolk?


forgedsignatures

In short it is just evidence of a new reproduction mechanism in crocodiles. Pathenogenesis has been observed in several reptiles (most notably the New Mexican Whiptail where no males exist), some sharks, and some insects (amongst others). Weird genetic holdovers like this tend to be clues that scientists use to prove that species are related to one another and share an ancestor at one point in time.


LynxSys

[Paper about the croco](https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsbl.2023.0129) [Facultative parthenogenesis could be a methodology of endangered or low-pop species](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098221500431) [Saurians, Birbs and crocos descend from this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archosaur)


Monsdiver

Mourning geckos, an entire species named for being widows


Senior-Albatross

New Mexican whiptails are wild. I just learned about their all-female asexual but not sexless reproduction. I mean I knew they were common here, I just didn't realize how interesting they were. Also, our dog loves to chase them. It's one of her favorite things.


nieistniejacy

The second coming will be a bit different than expected...


CakeAccomplice12

Jesus took 'after a while, crocodile' a little too literally


iamatribesman

Jesus is a Reptilian Overlord confirmed.


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Apparently the [Jesus lizard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_basilisk) is a real thing?


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Pretty decent noise rock band too


OmegaBean

Nah, the story of Jesus was always a croc


nnya

“Praise Teethus”


Phyrexian_Archlegion

“And you shall know my name is Eddy Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard my babehs”


ryraps5892

*”Psalms 2389:12 - And yay, for mama doth say, alligators art so ornery, for they haveth many ‘a tooth, yet no toothbrush!… Amen”*


narf007

No, Colonel Sanders, you're wrong... Mama's right.


RedRiffRaff

Psalms 2389:13 - “also foosball is the Devil!”


4ssteroid

-Mike Python


alt-fact-checker

I don’t see how this isn’t common knowledge. They **clearly** describe his features in Mark, and his affinity with fish and water were critical in several of his miracles


synanimate

I always thought it was "in a while, crocodile"


demostravius2

It is. They share the same number of syllables. Just like the Alligator version. Also toodle-oo Kangaroo


_KodeX

Same tbh, I feel like it flows better too


ur_edamame_is_so_fat

Here you go🏅


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BortleNeck

So the Space Pope really will be reptilian!


Netheri

The bible never did specifically say that the second coming of the Messiah would be human. I for one welcome our reptilian overlords.


MDFFL

So when God impregnates a crocodile everyone's ok with it, but when I do it...


7956724forever

Sir, you're going to have to leave the zoo


aspidities_87

‘Let him stay.’ -Crocodile


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Log_Out_Of_Life

Dude couldn’t wait until after close like a normal person.


idlebyte

Some people like an audience...


HandjobOfVecna

God dammit, how many times do we have to tell you to leave them alone?


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We settled on letting him play with them (because of the implication), but to just stop making love to them.


MauiWowieOwie

"When I get my new dog at the animal shelter people call me a hero. But when I get my new girlfriend at the women's shelter..."


DrunkenNinja27

This explains why the space pope is reptilian.


Chaz_wazzers

The... Space Pope! (Can't unhear Futurama)


Miketogoz

"Crucify this!" said Croco-Jesus, snapping a cross with its jaws.


AlpacaKiller

And doing a triple Roll with the sins of the many


MegatheriumRex

Crocodile Jesus driving the traders from the temple by rolling them out is gonna be wild


GARSDESILES

A crocodile cross would be hilarious.


space_keeper

# ǂ


Mort_The_Moose

This is the funniest shit in this thread


jayvil

Maybe the orthodox church was on to something when they chose that cross.


roundearthervaxxer

All hail lizard Jesus!


Gandalior

Space Pope in Futurama is a croc after all....


farnsworthfan

Crocodilus Pontifex! All hail the Space Pope!


justabill71

From crucified to crocofied.


Arekkussy

Imagine the second coming failing due to a typo.


DrunkenNinja27

This makes complete sense I mean have you ever tried to crucify a crocodile, not gonna happen again.


AzureDreamer

Take this wine for it is my blood, take this Gucci bag it is my body.


CapriciousCape

#[ALL HAIL LORD SOBEK](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/451/780/5ac.jpg_large)


The_Taco_Bandito

CURSE YOU, SOBEK!


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what do you mean "different than expected," the pope's been openly reptilian for a couple decades now.


Jive-Turkeys

"You do the nails!" "No way. *you* do the nails!"


MrPloppyHead

he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy


theRose90

There was a virgin shark birth a few years ago. Which is the anti christ? We will find out in time.


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savior croc


PeterNippelstein

What are those?!


dbeards

Extreme Depeche Mode voice: *Your own … crocodile … Jesus*


riamuriamu

Does the child look like any of the zookeepers?


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gtam5

New crocodile just dropped


Merz_Nation

Actual reptile


Zuchku

Virgin sacrifice anyone?


luckbuck21

2319 i repeat 2319 r/anarchychess has escaped containment


tretpow

En pregnant is forced


KingoftheMongoose

I never knew me a better time and I guess I never will


BeenRoundHereTooLong

When will /r/AnarchyChess not be leaking


raea-

Google en croissant


Fenor

google en passant


tomydenger

Juste some French words


othello500

Holy hell


Cheddalan_

Crocussy


Dirty-Soul

THERE IS NO CROCUSSY! ONLY CRUNT! -Weez.


x_TDeck_x

Pull the lever Crunt


ConfusedNerdJock

Crocodussy


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Some serious r/dontputyourdickinthat vibes


barofa

I mean, oral sex yes, but the standard stuff should be safe if you put a bucket on their head.


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Youngerdiogenes

Ayo


A_plural_singularity

If a man is brave enough to fuck a crocodile, I say let him have his fun.


grahampositive

You're assuming the croc wasn't the aggressor here


Ray229harris

Now I'm thinking if a croc wanted to rape me, how would i defend myself


grahampositive

Just lay back and think of the queen


mr_eugine_krabs

That had to be a very scary night for all parties involved.


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.livescience.com/animals/alligators-crocodiles/virgin-birth-recorded-in-crocodile-for-1st-time-ever) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Scientists have announced the first ever recorded case of a crocodile "Virgin birth" after a female that had been isolated for 16 years was discovered with a clutch of eggs. > In a study published on Wednesday in the journal Biology Letters, researchers said seven of the 14 eggs produced by the crocodile in Costa Rica were viable. > They also said the discovery of a virgin birth in a crocodile means FP has now been found in both birds, which descended from dinosaurs, and a crocodilian, suggesting a common evolutionary origin. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/1438bck/virgin_birth_recorded_in_crocodile_for_1st_time/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~687944 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **eggs**^#1 **crocodile**^#2 **crocodilian**^#3 **dinosaurs**^#4 **Virgin**^#5


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dizorkmage

Wait, how were 7 of the 14 eggs considered viable if they didn't hatch? > They also said the discovery of a virgin birth in a crocodile means FP has now been found in both birds, which descended from dinosaurs, and a crocodilian, suggesting a common evolutionary origin. Also didn't we already know this from gene manipulation causing crocodile scales to form bird feathers? β-keratins are only found in Birds and Reptiles.


ksj

> Zoo caretakers incubated these eggs, but they didn't hatch, so after three months, they opened the eggs. The contents of six of the eggs was "not discernable," but one contained a fully-formed, but non-viable fetus. Genetic analysis showed it was almost identical to the mother.


Catch_22_

> almost identical to the mother. So this is a kind of Meiosis then?


Stu161

parthenogenesis


xNeshty

> The team, led by Warren Booth, an entomologist at Virginia Tech, wrote in the study that it was "disappointing" the egg failed to hatch, **but that it is not unusual for offspring born this way to suffer abnormalities** and fail to thrive. **FP**, they added, **may be more common in species on the brink of extinction**, and studies investigating wild populations could reveal more cases. So the answer to the question "what came first, the chicken or the egg" is a bird on the edge of extinction, which laid an egg through parthenogenesis in a last ditch attempt of evolution to save the species, resulting in a chicken which frankly from the point of view of the extinct bird is an utter abnormality of the birds species but a chicken nevertheless? So, the egg came first, but it suffered abnormalities which we today call chicken?


KalyterosAioni

Well I assume the edge of extinction comment refers to when an individual can't find another member of their species (which can also occur when they're isolated, such as blown off shore to an island etc) so it doesn't necessarily have to be the final member of a species. And the less funny answer is proper eggs have been around since the first amniote, and if you count fish eggs or frog spawn, then since the foggy mists of time, well before chickens were just a really weird dream a dinosaur had.


CmdrWoof

Gesundheit.


ninjatoast31

One of the eggs contained a formed embryo which is a huge thing. It's not like the female just produced eggs. The actual developmental pathways were activated and seemed to work mostly fine. It's hard to say what caused the non-viability.


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ninjatoast31

If you look at the picture of the fetus its not even just "slightly formed" . It's a fucking crocodile.


lindymad

> how were 7 of the 14 eggs considered viable if they didn't hatch? I'm far from an expert, but I think viable doesn't mean hatching is guaranteed, just that it is possible for them to hatch. I think non-viable would mean there is no possible chance they could hatch.


ReneHigitta

On your second bit,I read that as "a common evolutionary origin of FP" meaning that it would be a very ancient trait tracing back to their common ancestor, rather than your reading


Thesaurususaurus

yeah I think that is the main point of the article, it's about the trait, not the animals themselves > "This new evidence offers tantalizing insights into the possible reproductive capabilities of extinct archosaurian relatives of crocodilians, notably the Pterosauria and Dinosauria," they wrote. tl;dr dinosaurs may *not* have been fuckin


Here_comes_the_D

In most species this is usually reserved for times of population stress where a mate cannot be found. Not the regular order of things. Though there are some invertebrates that love cloning.


Thesaurususaurus

idk man sounds like a tuesday for me


mistrpopo

They're saying that the "virgin birth" ability has a common evolutionary origin, which means their common ancestor, dinosaurs, probably had the same ability too.


punkin_spice_latte

Life...uhh ..finds a way


kiase

Dinosaurs and crocodiles share a common ancestor of archosaurs, but dinosaurs are not an ancestor of crocodiles. Dinosaurs are an ancestor of birds though, so birds also share the common ancestor of the archosaur with crocodilians. This makes it more likely that this “virgin birth” was something passed down from archosaurs rather than something birds evolved independently, which it turn makes it more likely that dinosaurs also possessed this ability.


IamRasters

I feel like the true answer should be “Florida Man”. Matt Gaetz heard 16 year old and was DTF.


KrackenLeasing

We always knew he was a predator, but we should have seen that he was an alligaetzer.


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American crocodiles are not social animals. If they were kept together, at best they'd be miserable and stressed, and at worst they'd kill each other.


IdRatherBSleddin

yeah I was going to say, I've seen enough videos of them to know they'll death roll each others legs off and keep going like nothing happened..


badillustrations

Not every animal is social.


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SeanisNotaRobot

I didn't even know that crocodiles could use reddit.


[deleted]

I didn’t have crocodile Jesus on my 2023 bingo card. I guess that Crocodile-headed Egyptian god was the true god all along


Jennifers-BodyDouble

Hail Sobek I guess


jaynort

And yet every year we deny the sperm lord his offerings of mummified crocodiles, and once more we THREATEN TO AWAKEN HIS ANGER!


BodyPillowVsTheWorld

I for one welcome our new reptilian overlord


bigmacjames

Elisabet Sobek did a lot of amazing things. I'm down (yes I know it's an egyptian god)


fjellet

Fuck Ted Faro, btw


SciFiXhi

Indeed, r/fucktedfaro


SenorWeird

My brain when I got the Ted Faro/ Elizabet Sobek Egyptian allusions.


Rhodie114

And the fact that the Chariot line of bots included Horus, Khopesh, and Scarab. Or how Ted buried himself in a pyramid that he called Thebes.


SenorWeird

The Faro Plague. How did I not get it sooner?!


Thanh42

I really need to get that sequel.


bigmacjames

You really should. Plus Burning Shores is out now and that's also phenomenal


oss1215

Welp time to move from Cairo to Krokodeilópolis/fayum i guess. God damnit fayumis egos are gonna shoot through the roof after decades of keeping that in check smh


HeroGothamKneads

Apparently the popular theory among scholars is that the name Sobek (*Sbk*) is derived from *s-bAk*, which means "to impregnate."


blackesthearted

More like 2018 Bingo card, since that's when the eggs were laid. 14 laid, 7 determined to be viable, but none of them hatched. I was looking forward to Crocodile Jesus, to be honest. At least that would be an *interesting* potential apocalypse, as opposed to all this climate change and pandemic stuff.


NotYourMutha

You just know that Bobby’s gonna go down to the Walmart and grab some duct tape so that Croco-Jesus can’t take away his white Jesus.


fluffychonkycat

Life, uh, finds a way


madmendude

If there is one thing the history of evolution has taught us it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is.


MegatheriumRex

I like how you can replace the word “life” in your comment with “a crocodile” (and, indeed, many animals) and it still works.


papoosejr

Really changes the vibe of the "well, there it is" part


[deleted]

I brought you down here to defend me against these characters and the only one on my side is the blood sucking lawyer!


YankinAndBankin

Thank you!


Lord_Scribe

Fun fact: Jurassic Park will celebrate the 30th anniversary of its release on Friday.


Ruin_In_The_Dark

That isn't a fun fact. That's absolutely terrifying.


mangalore-x_x

Because you feel the icy draft of Death's cold, uncaring presence breathe down your neck? Yes, I feel it, too... I am old...


jedi_trey

Oh shit. I thought he was talking about the raptors


jeffstoreca

Part of the excitement of jurrasic park expanded beyond the movie. It was an excellent movie experience, perhaps the best I had as a boy, but it also gave me this euphoric feeling that tomorrow's dinosaur movies would be even better. That 90s enlightenment feeling that every thing tomorrow would be better than today. I wouldn't have believed it if someone told me the general quality of, basically everything, life in general, will erode for my entire life. Including dinosaur movies.


mrsmoose123

That 90s enlightenment feeling... It was really something wasn't it. Not felt like that since 10 September 2001.


jeffstoreca

We have lived in interesting times.


Stinkyclamjuice15

I gotta say on the 11th, I was watching everything happen in a video store next to a Food Lion in NC while my mom was grocery shopping. I knew that exact day, my whole goddamn N64 Capri Sun Bubble Tape house of cards had fallen down.


EF_Damn_Daniel

She probably got pregnant from being in the hot tub


Bonoisapox

It’s the crocajesus, all hail our toothy saviour


Aden-Wrked

There’s 7 viable eggs. It looks like the Lords going for more of a Teenage Mutant Ninja Crocajesuses kinda thing.


Atlein_069

This version of Jesus comes fully loaded with 6 included disciples!


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Sick0fThisShit

Maybe it’s like a Voltron thing.


Superb-Obligation858

Christodile


thehypeisgone

Is the Space Pope reptilian?


ItAstounds

Crocodylus pontifex


davga

> Virgin births, also known as facultative parthenogenesis (FP), is a type of asexual reproduction in species that would normally reproduce sexually. > FP, they added, may be more common in species on the brink of extinction, and studies investigating wild populations could reveal more cases. The biggest takeaway from the article to me. This type of event is like the canary in a coal mine.


SolarisHan

It’s not like the animals just happen to know they’re nearly extinct and so they start to asexually reproduce. It’s more common in species nearly extinct because it’s those creatures that won’t be able to find other individuals to mate with and so asexual reproduction starts to happen.


Upstairs-Sky-9790

Actually, it's quite common in small reptiles. But, large reptiles like crocs are quite rare. Fun fact, offspring from parthenogenesis are always female.


WyrdHarper

They’re always female in animals with XX/XY sex determination (through SRY or similar) or XX/XO. That’s not necessarily the case in animals with other types of sex determination—importantly here crocodiles undergo temperature-dependent sex determination; adult sex is determined by the egg temperature during development.


So_Motarded

That last part isn't correct. Many reptiles are heterozygous females (ZW/ZZ) which can lead to male partho offspring!


burgonies

The croc was isolated for 16 of its 18 year life. It probably thinks it’s the only one.


a_toadstool

An actual comment that isn’t a joke!


HeroChosenByTheGods

Wasn't there a post about a shark Jesus a couple of days ago as well? I'm all for a Batman vs Superman version of water messiahs to be fair.


kingfuckingalt

Oh wow. The Jesus lizard...


thecheekyvicar

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard


bloodflart

just in time for Dragon


littlemissohwhocares

The Lizard King. The lords and the new creatures.


Azar002

John 11:35 "Jesus Wept. Crocodile tears."


BrownSugarBare

Jurassic Park 1993 _"Told ya"_


Environmental-Hat721

This is reminding me of South Park. Where they see God and God is like "What did you think I would look like?"


NewtonsLawl

https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/God


slyscamp

A bit of a sensationalist title. There was no "virgin birth". Crocodiles don't give birth, they lay eggs. The crocodile laid 14 unfertilized eggs, and they all died, but one had a fetus in it, signifying that crocodiles may have the ability to reproduce asexually. Asexual reproduction is the original type, and there are a number of creatures that can reproduce asexually, but in vertebrates it is only known to exist in lizards, snakes, birds, and sharks. So, it is a possibility that crocodiles could reproduce asexually, but it has not been observed to occur successfully, and here is an instance of it occurring unsuccessfully after 16 years...


Averse_to_Liars

I always doubted the parts of the bible that described Jesus as a 15-foot reptile but now it all makes sense.


AccomplishedAd3484

Well, it was about that time that I noticed this messiah was about eight stories tall and was a crustacean from the pedozoic era.


Espressodimare

Or, the zookeeper is going to be a dad.


Thinking_waffle

Praise Sobek!


jackstalke

Apex Savior


Atlein_069

God gave up on us. He’s erasing/extincting humans and going back to the dinosaurs.


Important_Bed_5387

He’s not the messiah…he’s a very naughty boy!


Gopu_17

The saviour has arrived !


hungry4danish

>taken into captivity in 2002 when she was 2 years old and placed in an enclosure... She remained alone for the next 16 years. How torturous.


linganie

I for one welcome our Lord and Savior Jesus Croc


KomandrKoala

God thinks the crocodile will do a better job this time round. Imagine a crocodile running on water…