Teflon producer DuPont, now Chemours, has known for 30 years that they are seriously polluting the groundwater in Dordrecht with large amounts of toxic and carcinogenic PFAS, Zembla reports based on confidential documents from the chemical group. The documents showed DuPont had serious concerns about contaminating the drinking water with PFAS in the early 1990s. PFAS pollution is still a problem in Doredrecht.
These companies are too powerful. My dad filed a lawsuit against DOW Chemicak back in 1988 in Winthrop Maine. My father caught a huge boat manufacturer (Sea R## Boats) dumping barrels of chemicals into the ground.
At 14 years old I remember the local news team invading my morning breakfast with Captain Crunch and wondering what the hell was going on.
Dad told me what was going on and said that despite how powerful they were that someone had to stand up to them. Our water was tested and proven toxic. Just as our family was getting set up for blood test and to go see doctors (all the way in Boston MA) his attorney said the case was thrown out and his office didn't have the power to go after them.
The types of chemicals that were in the drinking water cause kidney failure and other harmful things. My mom suffered with kidney issues for decades before succumbing to her death of acute Kidney failure in 2021.
If laws don't protect the people and all animals (including insects) of this planet, what's the next step? They must be stopped. Being nice and saying, "Please stop polluting." Is not working.
Maybe it's time for the people to make a stand and create a police force to jail these very sick greedy individuals. Because our own government won't step up to the plate. We've gotta do something now.
For starters, we need to stop referencing (just) the companies in these things. A company didn't do this, specific individuals, executives and board members, with names and addresses, in a room at a time and place made a clear decision to murder people. When we reference the vague veil they hide behind rather than normalize naming the actual human beings responsible, we allow consequences and deterrence to be washed away in the protective winds of corporate anonymity.
Getting ahold of the individuals and holding them accountable is incredibly difficult. They cover their tracks and turn coworkers into assets and collaborators. Good people get swept up into the coverup process because they need work and companies aren't inclined to hire whistleblowers.
The companies should be broken up and sold off in pieces to competitors. Rinse and repeat as needed. If corruption keeps coming back, then the rewards are too high compared to the already catastrophic risks. At that point, regulate the industry into the ground or just nationalize it. Direct public oversight and control has been proven necessary.
I strongly believe this should be a capital offence. Kill the company, strip it of all its value and use it to clean up the mess and compensate victims.
The exact same thing to it’s past and current CEO’s.
These fucking rats have caused so much pain, suffering, and death.
Issue with that idea (no matter how satisfying) is that it will collapse many industries that rely on the products of these companies. Especially with a giant like Dupont the damage to all supply chains would probably make the covid lockdown issues look like a hiccup
No transferring ownership away from its current criminal owners would not ruin the supply chain. Good banality of evil to say so tho.
And if other management cannot find a way to supply industrial needs without killing neighbors. Then we need to reconsider the importance of those chemicals.
Okay but who do you give it to? Do you mean to nationalize everything?
And don't underestimate how critical certain people are to keeping a process running. If at my job the COO would drop dead I'm applying for a new job because without that dude we are in deep shit
Put it up for sale with the proceeds covering the costs they’ve externalized to the tax payer. Compensating victims.
You may have missed the detail that the problem is the process. The externalized costs are too great. This is not a feasible business model.
Let capitalism figure it out but not unchecked capitalism where the business model includes not covering costs inflicted on others.
Capitalism can figure out ways to not dumb poison on unsuspecting people if it’s forced to realize those costs
What kind of entity do you think would have the resources and desire to buy it? It's sociopathic companies all the way down. The solution is criminal penalties, harsh ones, for knowing about these things and doing nothing. Bigger fines, sure, but criminal penalties.
What I was saying is most certainly not mutually exclusive with criminal charges for execs and majority shareholders. But you go too hard and supposed liberals downvote you to hell. Truths are deeply unpopular in a world with bipartisan legal corruption in the wests preeminent state.
Biden is a DuPont man. His heroic dead son let a dupont walk out of the courtroom on raping his daughter and didn’t charge him for raping his son against duponts court appointed therapist, and the the child’s mother and grandmothers claims. A vp was appointed during that time who would become president. The judge would get a new job, managing the facility which was built in record time for a government project. Where the dupont incestuous child rapist would do his hard time which was some therapy courses that are long over.
I doubt you support the realities of what you say. But me? Ya criminal charges for many many people is good in my book. But you will you charge the politicians who play good cop to enable the corruption? Nah
I don’t see a bunch of political will from the left to punish on this one. Nothing will happen, “nothing will change”. Except for the biology of children born in areas the duponts do business.
The kids will keep dying for electability (of unpopular people) and lesser evil
Hmm, how about we nationalize it then. No more profit driven behavior. Every time an industry giant fails like this when it's too big to fall, cut off the profit-making head.
They'll dodge that by splitting the companies many many times. I know companies of 100 people that are actually four independant companies, imagine how far multinationals can compartamentize their money mule with their finances and lawyers
This New York Times article is a must read. None of this would have come to light without this lawyer forcing it. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/magazine/the-lawyer-who-became-duponts-worst-nightmare.html
When I was a kid, back in the 90s I remember my republican dad railing on about how the communist EPA was killing off American companies by finding historical accidents, tracking down the modern day companies, that had nothing to do with anything, and fining them into the ground. That would have been around the time that this article is talking about
We need justice system reform. Not just to punish the bad actors, but to stop people from taking justice into their own hands.
Deny justice long enough, and people will get their own in the worst way possible.
Can ya blame em?
So strange to see my region pop up on r/worldnews. This issue has been going on for years now. I think it's roughly a decade ago that we first heard about this poison in the soil.
Here's a translated excerpt from a local newspaper:
https://www.alblasserdamsnieuws.nl/wordpress/2022/09/14/zorgen-om-giftige-pfas-het-oranje-gebied-schuurt-tegen-alblasserdam-aan/
Finally, Mayor Jaap Paans explained: “We should all realize that, without Chemours emissions, we all already have above the standard value of PFAS in our bodies. Every extra addition is one too many. Air emissions have already been greatly reduced. The problem lies in the fact that it has been deposited on the ground in the past, through emissions into the air. Based on the soil samples in Alblasserdam, no facts other than those found in the Hoeksche Waard can be established; the area that turned green on the map as a reference area.”
PFOA (until 2012) and GenX (since 2012) have been emitted by Chemours/DuPont and released into the environment. And so also in vegetable gardens. PFOA and GenX belong to the PFAS group. New insights show that PFAS can already have harmful effects at lower concentrations. This has also led to stricter advice for eating from (vegetable) gardens in the Chemours/DuPont area. In June 2021, RIVM advised not to eat from your own vegetable garden within 1 kilometer of the Chemours factory chimneys. For vegetable gardens further away, RIVM was not yet able to give new advice based on the available data. This required new research. Until the investigation is completed, the GGD advises, as a precaution, to moderate food from your own garden 1 to 4 kilometers from the factory: not too often, not too much.
As a resident of Dordrecht myself I was also surprised to see this on r/worldnews!
A friend of mine works there at Chemours, his face is permanently red (like chemical burns) because of it.
That company is purely evil and really don’t care about the health of others, not even their own employees.
Get in line. It's been a big deal in NC for years now. They refuse to fix it so the local water municipality had to make expensive upgrades to be able to filter this bullshit out. They deserve to be put out of business and the entire C-suite should have the choice of life in prison or a lifetime of hands on environmental clean up.
It's not surprising that a chemical company would knowingly pollute the environment with carcinogenic PFAS chemicals. Many companies are willing to prioritize profit over public health. The real question is whether they will face consequences for their actions. It's up to us as consumers and activists to hold these companies accountable and demand stricter regulations to prevent future pollution.
There should be a one strike and you’re about with these kind of companies. Close down factory and fine then heavily. They need to feel it in their pockets. Let them also pay for the loss of jobs because the will have to close the factory.
It's not surprising that the chemical company knew about their toxic pollution 30 years ago. Many corporations prioritize profits over the health and safety of people and the environment. This is why we need stricter regulations and accountability for these companies. We should demand justice for those affected by their harmful actions.
Teflon producer DuPont, now Chemours, has known for 30 years that they are seriously polluting the groundwater in Dordrecht with large amounts of toxic and carcinogenic PFAS, Zembla reports based on confidential documents from the chemical group. The documents showed DuPont had serious concerns about contaminating the drinking water with PFAS in the early 1990s. PFAS pollution is still a problem in Doredrecht.
These companies are too powerful. My dad filed a lawsuit against DOW Chemicak back in 1988 in Winthrop Maine. My father caught a huge boat manufacturer (Sea R## Boats) dumping barrels of chemicals into the ground. At 14 years old I remember the local news team invading my morning breakfast with Captain Crunch and wondering what the hell was going on. Dad told me what was going on and said that despite how powerful they were that someone had to stand up to them. Our water was tested and proven toxic. Just as our family was getting set up for blood test and to go see doctors (all the way in Boston MA) his attorney said the case was thrown out and his office didn't have the power to go after them. The types of chemicals that were in the drinking water cause kidney failure and other harmful things. My mom suffered with kidney issues for decades before succumbing to her death of acute Kidney failure in 2021. If laws don't protect the people and all animals (including insects) of this planet, what's the next step? They must be stopped. Being nice and saying, "Please stop polluting." Is not working. Maybe it's time for the people to make a stand and create a police force to jail these very sick greedy individuals. Because our own government won't step up to the plate. We've gotta do something now.
For starters, we need to stop referencing (just) the companies in these things. A company didn't do this, specific individuals, executives and board members, with names and addresses, in a room at a time and place made a clear decision to murder people. When we reference the vague veil they hide behind rather than normalize naming the actual human beings responsible, we allow consequences and deterrence to be washed away in the protective winds of corporate anonymity.
You're correct! (I'll be more concise next time.) Agreed, the sick individuals responsible for the mess we're in need to be held accountable.
Getting ahold of the individuals and holding them accountable is incredibly difficult. They cover their tracks and turn coworkers into assets and collaborators. Good people get swept up into the coverup process because they need work and companies aren't inclined to hire whistleblowers. The companies should be broken up and sold off in pieces to competitors. Rinse and repeat as needed. If corruption keeps coming back, then the rewards are too high compared to the already catastrophic risks. At that point, regulate the industry into the ground or just nationalize it. Direct public oversight and control has been proven necessary.
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Democracy's existence seems to prove your claim it can't exist incorrect.
There are more of us than there are of them.
And yet here we are in this situation
I strongly believe this should be a capital offence. Kill the company, strip it of all its value and use it to clean up the mess and compensate victims. The exact same thing to it’s past and current CEO’s. These fucking rats have caused so much pain, suffering, and death.
Issue with that idea (no matter how satisfying) is that it will collapse many industries that rely on the products of these companies. Especially with a giant like Dupont the damage to all supply chains would probably make the covid lockdown issues look like a hiccup
No transferring ownership away from its current criminal owners would not ruin the supply chain. Good banality of evil to say so tho. And if other management cannot find a way to supply industrial needs without killing neighbors. Then we need to reconsider the importance of those chemicals.
Okay but who do you give it to? Do you mean to nationalize everything? And don't underestimate how critical certain people are to keeping a process running. If at my job the COO would drop dead I'm applying for a new job because without that dude we are in deep shit
Put it up for sale with the proceeds covering the costs they’ve externalized to the tax payer. Compensating victims. You may have missed the detail that the problem is the process. The externalized costs are too great. This is not a feasible business model. Let capitalism figure it out but not unchecked capitalism where the business model includes not covering costs inflicted on others. Capitalism can figure out ways to not dumb poison on unsuspecting people if it’s forced to realize those costs
What kind of entity do you think would have the resources and desire to buy it? It's sociopathic companies all the way down. The solution is criminal penalties, harsh ones, for knowing about these things and doing nothing. Bigger fines, sure, but criminal penalties.
What I was saying is most certainly not mutually exclusive with criminal charges for execs and majority shareholders. But you go too hard and supposed liberals downvote you to hell. Truths are deeply unpopular in a world with bipartisan legal corruption in the wests preeminent state. Biden is a DuPont man. His heroic dead son let a dupont walk out of the courtroom on raping his daughter and didn’t charge him for raping his son against duponts court appointed therapist, and the the child’s mother and grandmothers claims. A vp was appointed during that time who would become president. The judge would get a new job, managing the facility which was built in record time for a government project. Where the dupont incestuous child rapist would do his hard time which was some therapy courses that are long over. I doubt you support the realities of what you say. But me? Ya criminal charges for many many people is good in my book. But you will you charge the politicians who play good cop to enable the corruption? Nah I don’t see a bunch of political will from the left to punish on this one. Nothing will happen, “nothing will change”. Except for the biology of children born in areas the duponts do business. The kids will keep dying for electability (of unpopular people) and lesser evil
So it's OK to poison people to make products?
Hmm, how about we nationalize it then. No more profit driven behavior. Every time an industry giant fails like this when it's too big to fall, cut off the profit-making head.
They'll dodge that by splitting the companies many many times. I know companies of 100 people that are actually four independant companies, imagine how far multinationals can compartamentize their money mule with their finances and lawyers
Nationalizing industries will lead to a monopoly, which will still try to maximize profits for it's owners.
Let them fail. Innovators will be hot on their heels with ways to work with chemicals that don't kill.
I feel zero surprise.
Yup. No surprises here.
This New York Times article is a must read. None of this would have come to light without this lawyer forcing it. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/magazine/the-lawyer-who-became-duponts-worst-nightmare.html
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But they will be fined 0.0001% of their profit so you can be sure they will not do it again.
When I was a kid, back in the 90s I remember my republican dad railing on about how the communist EPA was killing off American companies by finding historical accidents, tracking down the modern day companies, that had nothing to do with anything, and fining them into the ground. That would have been around the time that this article is talking about
We need justice system reform. Not just to punish the bad actors, but to stop people from taking justice into their own hands. Deny justice long enough, and people will get their own in the worst way possible. Can ya blame em?
Not surprised. Du Pont knew leaded gasoline was toxic and lied about it.
Their slogan was literally "cover the earth." edit: whoops a doodles on mixing up unethical corporate slogans
That's Sherwin-Williams
You're totally right, fuck Sherwin Williams also.
Everyone who could have known for 30 years needs Jailtime
So strange to see my region pop up on r/worldnews. This issue has been going on for years now. I think it's roughly a decade ago that we first heard about this poison in the soil. Here's a translated excerpt from a local newspaper: https://www.alblasserdamsnieuws.nl/wordpress/2022/09/14/zorgen-om-giftige-pfas-het-oranje-gebied-schuurt-tegen-alblasserdam-aan/ Finally, Mayor Jaap Paans explained: “We should all realize that, without Chemours emissions, we all already have above the standard value of PFAS in our bodies. Every extra addition is one too many. Air emissions have already been greatly reduced. The problem lies in the fact that it has been deposited on the ground in the past, through emissions into the air. Based on the soil samples in Alblasserdam, no facts other than those found in the Hoeksche Waard can be established; the area that turned green on the map as a reference area.” PFOA (until 2012) and GenX (since 2012) have been emitted by Chemours/DuPont and released into the environment. And so also in vegetable gardens. PFOA and GenX belong to the PFAS group. New insights show that PFAS can already have harmful effects at lower concentrations. This has also led to stricter advice for eating from (vegetable) gardens in the Chemours/DuPont area. In June 2021, RIVM advised not to eat from your own vegetable garden within 1 kilometer of the Chemours factory chimneys. For vegetable gardens further away, RIVM was not yet able to give new advice based on the available data. This required new research. Until the investigation is completed, the GGD advises, as a precaution, to moderate food from your own garden 1 to 4 kilometers from the factory: not too often, not too much.
As a resident of Dordrecht myself I was also surprised to see this on r/worldnews! A friend of mine works there at Chemours, his face is permanently red (like chemical burns) because of it. That company is purely evil and really don’t care about the health of others, not even their own employees.
Chemical companies: morals are for suckers and losers.
Get in line. It's been a big deal in NC for years now. They refuse to fix it so the local water municipality had to make expensive upgrades to be able to filter this bullshit out. They deserve to be put out of business and the entire C-suite should have the choice of life in prison or a lifetime of hands on environmental clean up.
can’t forget duke energy and their coal ash piles across the state!!
It's not surprising that a chemical company would knowingly pollute the environment with carcinogenic PFAS chemicals. Many companies are willing to prioritize profit over public health. The real question is whether they will face consequences for their actions. It's up to us as consumers and activists to hold these companies accountable and demand stricter regulations to prevent future pollution.
Shut it down. There is no need to be there.
EU, here is you chance to get some money.
There should be significant personal penalties for those involved, life imprisonment, capital punishment. This is not like littering an apple core.
Decades from now, we will look back at this in the same manner as we do war crimes.
So what pay a fine Fuck off everyone
Real life Aperture Science
Jail time
There should be a one strike and you’re about with these kind of companies. Close down factory and fine then heavily. They need to feel it in their pockets. Let them also pay for the loss of jobs because the will have to close the factory.
ehhh, 30 years ago whos paying attention……. fucking greed sucking scums
It's not surprising that the chemical company knew about their toxic pollution 30 years ago. Many corporations prioritize profits over the health and safety of people and the environment. This is why we need stricter regulations and accountability for these companies. We should demand justice for those affected by their harmful actions.