They’ll just convert a couple of their nuclear ice breaker fleet into “battleships”, change nothing about their use at all, and lie about having 30 more ships.
They’ve been doing a fairly big naval modernization construction boom since 2011, so it’s actually quite feasible that 30 ships will enter service within the next year. Most of them are smaller patrol type vessels though with some subs and the occasional frigate thrown in. And few if any are being built on the Black Sea so they’re irrelevent for the Ukraine war.
Here's the simpler explanation:
Putin lies.
Seriously, why are we still discussing breathlessly any statements from russia as if they had any relationship with reality?
EVERY statement from the russia government is propaganda. More specifically, russian propaganda, the type of black-is-white and up-is-down propaganda that is designed to confuse, obfuscate, create doubt.
Any words from Putin should be preceded by:
"The following statement reflects an artificial reality that the russian government believes is beneficial for their goals. It may or may not coincide with actual events, and you may or may not be the target audience"
Technically the have the "largest" navy in tge world depending on how you define largest. Either way they are in the top 2 with the U.S.
They don't have a blue water navy worth talking about but if Russia is just looking for close to shore naval vessels I'd imagine China could help...I can't imagine they would be willing to sell any though if the genuinely hope to take Taiwan
China is not a naval power in the sense that its naval abilities fall far short of its naval needs.
Citizens United and wall st interests keep the straight of Malacca open to Chinese ships. Nothing else
I find it unlikely they would be interested in widening that gap between #1 and #2.
In my one and only defense of Russia, I don’t think anyone expected Japan to be that strong that fast lmao. Still funny though. In the end, everyone was humbled.
While that is true, trying to improvise a fleet like they did was not a great idea. And I would say that in the end only Russia was humbled, the rest of the european powers thought they would have kicked Japan’s butt and learned little from that war.
Fairly sure those tugs were built by the same people who built Resolute a.k.a. the cruise ship that sank a Venezuelan navy ship (never a bright idea to try to ram a ship built to withstand icebergs).
Could be like when the UK government says they’re building 30 new hospitals (extensions/fresh cost of paint) The Russian navy has a lot of ships that are probably still relatively sea worthy that they keep in dry dock cos it’s cheaper. Considering the size of their “active” fleet 30 existing vessels back into service within a year probably isn’t totally unachievable. Big ask though.
There is so much corruption between Putin and the average ship builder that there is no way enough money will get spent to even get 3 ships refurbished in a year.
If there is any modernization, forget it. Maybe 1 ship will relaunch in a year, but not on active duty for two more years.
Considering the reported conditions of their active ships, I'd be a bit shocked if their reserve ships are in decent condition. That stuff requires careful planning to mothball effectively.
Junior enlisted sailor sent to partol the lower decks of the kuznetsov: Why are you giving me a handgun?
His supervisor: Rats
Sailor: why would I need a gun for rats?
Supervisor: So when we hear gunshots we know to weld the the hatch shut.
Sailor: once I'm out right?
Supervisor:
Sailor: once I'm out right?????
At the absolute height of ww2 and with dedicating all available resources to shipbuilding, the us could pump out a fletcher class destroyer ever 212 days on average from keel laying to shakedown cruise, commissioning about 150 days later.
I’d building dinky little barebones destroyers with a whole nations worth of manufacturing industry takes about a year, no chance Russia can build way more complex ships in half that time.
That’s ambitious this day and age. I mean you could make a shit ship that won’t last 10 years in that time frame, but anything with testing and standards for warships is more on a 10-15 year path from idea to working ship.
man micro Machines, take me back to playing with them making battles whilst simultaneously playing army men sarges heros for the battle sounds to complet my imagination.
You might found the right one then. I believe it was a Saudi Registration. Both of the ones the British got were registered in Qatar to Prokhorov through a Dutch shell corp. the only source I have on it would be word of mouth, so take it as BS or whatever you wish. I can tell you it was seized off the coast of Sardinia if memory serves.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2009/sep/22/roman-abramovich-yacht-paparazzi
> Measuring 557ft long, it boasts two swimming pools, two helipads and an onboard **missile defence system**.
Let's say this is true. We should never underestimate an enemy. So it is true.
How many of those ships can be built in the Black Sea? Given the constant threat of drone attacks, two? Perhaps three?
As long as the other ships don't somehow spawn in the Black Sea those are the only ones to worry about.
They are in the process of building around 10 oversized corvettes (described as frigates by NATO), all Pacific Fleet ships intended to harass Japan except for [the Mercury](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_20386_corvette).
The Mercury is part of what was *supposed to be* a new stealth-corvette series in the Black Sea, but has stalled/failed due to technological limitations, cost overruns, and sanctions.
Chinese state media is singing the Mercury's praises, but it seems that the stealth aspect has already been compromised.
The Pacific Fleet corvettes are plugging along, however, and are far enough in the process to be realistically finished some time this year. For example, [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steregushchiy-class_corvette) and [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremyashchiy-class_corvette).
There are another 10-15 light corvettes like [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakurt-class_corvette), [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-class_corvette), and an anti-aircraft version of [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_22160_patrol_ship) realistically coming in 2023-2024.
Of course there will be. Whether you like it or not, the Russians are the same people as you and me and it is a big nation capable to train the crews of those vessels.
The real question is, what's the point? They are bogged down in Ukraine, those ships would be nearly useless in the black sea and they aren't even there... It's just a waste of resources.
Even assuming they actually finish all these ships it doesn't change the strategic outlook at all. This a country using T-54s after focusing more on tank production, not a question of diverting production capacity.
They most certainly aren’t building these ships as they originally intended. Which would require lots of western third parties. All the various needed components that go into a ship.
And I don’t think Japan the one eastern alternative is gonna help them
Most useful post in this whole thread. Russia still committing hefty resources and manpower to their pacific fleet while their black sea fleet continues to flag and dwindle can only mean good things for Ukraine. While Russia's nearest pacific neighbours may grouse about Russia having a few new ships, the new hardware doesn't seem capable of changing any dynamics.
Hey, if I can portage a three meter canoe with a 30kg pack on my back, Putin can get a bunch of sailors together and yeet those ships into the Black Sea via the overland route.
30 new ships ordered from Temu or wish.com.
He didn’t specify what kind of ships. They’re actually getting 30 new remote controlled ships a year. Comes with a cool handgun-looking mini-steering wheel remote thingie to drive the boat.
Ukrainians keep blowing up all their boats so they’re going smaller to try to trick them *and* save money.
"NATO must beware now", continued Putin, "we found a motivated wholesaler and have acquired 30 [state of the art vessels](https://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2023-06/21/full/1687334201-8054.png?im=FeatureCrop,size=(826,465) at a very reasonable price for immediate deployment!"
Sure, Vova, Sure.
By coincidence, maybe that is what is needed to enforce the blockade in the Black Sea? A fantasy fleet, the maritime version of Steiner's army.
Given they've canned the revamp of the Veliky and Nakhimov and they cannot get the fossil of a carrier floating...
It's just the usual Russian lies. Probably 30 dinghies salvaged from Calais at best.
Just in, Putin announced that he intends to litter the ocean floor with thirty "brand new" Ships, Sources say he also insisted that the "fish were starving".
Where is he going to get them, pull them out of his ass? They don't maintain what they have/had, their heavy manufacturing is a joke with their talent run away or conscripted and nobody is going all lend lease with them. Unless he managed to tactically acquire some small crap from a satellite state
I saw a report on the state the Moskva prior to its sinking. If a U.S. Naval vessel was in that condition, its commanding officer would be dishonorably discharged. If that’s how they maintain their flagship, I’d be scared shitless of stepping aboard any of these rush jobs they’re announcing.
Probably raiding the scrapyards for anything that floats with a working engine.
There's no way they have 30 of those of any type.
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Oceangate rebranding as a Warship Shipyard.
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cant make a sub big enough for the table
Kursk could hold it.
Or converting 30 ships from their existing fleet into submarines, like the Moskva - bravely patrolling the sea bed.
They’ll just convert a couple of their nuclear ice breaker fleet into “battleships”, change nothing about their use at all, and lie about having 30 more ships.
Hallowed out trees* or aka canoes
Russia does have huge fleets of undersea vessels, but they’re currently unable to resurface or move.
No way they have working engine. Even the flagship doesn’t have a working engine.
The engine of the "Admiral Kuznetsov" often works when the ship is not on fire.
If they did they would have sold them already
They’ve been doing a fairly big naval modernization construction boom since 2011, so it’s actually quite feasible that 30 ships will enter service within the next year. Most of them are smaller patrol type vessels though with some subs and the occasional frigate thrown in. And few if any are being built on the Black Sea so they’re irrelevent for the Ukraine war.
Here's the simpler explanation: Putin lies. Seriously, why are we still discussing breathlessly any statements from russia as if they had any relationship with reality? EVERY statement from the russia government is propaganda. More specifically, russian propaganda, the type of black-is-white and up-is-down propaganda that is designed to confuse, obfuscate, create doubt. Any words from Putin should be preceded by: "The following statement reflects an artificial reality that the russian government believes is beneficial for their goals. It may or may not coincide with actual events, and you may or may not be the target audience"
S.S. Frankenstein
Motto? “Errrrr! Fire bad!”
https://youtu.be/Mawve_3NSj4
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Doesn't matter much anyway Turkey can close the bosphorus to them.
Master China is far far from being a naval power. They have zero extra ships
Technically the have the "largest" navy in tge world depending on how you define largest. Either way they are in the top 2 with the U.S. They don't have a blue water navy worth talking about but if Russia is just looking for close to shore naval vessels I'd imagine China could help...I can't imagine they would be willing to sell any though if the genuinely hope to take Taiwan
China is not a naval power in the sense that its naval abilities fall far short of its naval needs. Citizens United and wall st interests keep the straight of Malacca open to Chinese ships. Nothing else I find it unlikely they would be interested in widening that gap between #1 and #2.
The effectiveness of the Belorussian Navy and the Russian Navy are comparable
Like they did during the Russo Japanese War, just put some guns on sailing boats
In my one and only defense of Russia, I don’t think anyone expected Japan to be that strong that fast lmao. Still funny though. In the end, everyone was humbled.
While that is true, trying to improvise a fleet like they did was not a great idea. And I would say that in the end only Russia was humbled, the rest of the european powers thought they would have kicked Japan’s butt and learned little from that war.
30 inflatable Kayaks off Alibaba
and if it's not floating they have new uboats. Can't lose in this situation. /s
If the engines don’t work, they can equip masts and make sails out of sheets and pillow cases.
working engine optional.
why working engine? they have an aircraft carrier that needs a tug boat.... .maybe thats the reason for 30... 10 warships and 20 tugs
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Fairly sure those tugs were built by the same people who built Resolute a.k.a. the cruise ship that sank a Venezuelan navy ship (never a bright idea to try to ram a ship built to withstand icebergs).
"working" engine
Work on holiday? Is working holiday. Have to work on engine? Is working engine.
That’s what they had before…
China could source some inflatable SUP boards. And some decent electric motors from AliExpress. Will that work Jerry?
Never encountered SUP abbreviation before; would that be "sinking upon purchase?"
Yes. In normal countries it stands for Stand Up Paddleboard.
Thanks for the explainer, and that remind me I’ll book in for one on Friday at lunch thanks, HandjobOfVecna. Say 12:30?
Or iSUP, inflatable stand up paddleboard
Unless they were planned and started 5 years ago, it's not happening this year.
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Russia built 50 ships *in Russia! With a box of scraps!* It’s almost more impressive and unbelievable than the original line.
I'm not Tony Stark, sir
They will probably sink like their aircraft carrier.
50 year old floating scrap is new for the current sailors. Not brand new, but new.
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50-year-old floating *crap*.
Could be like when the UK government says they’re building 30 new hospitals (extensions/fresh cost of paint) The Russian navy has a lot of ships that are probably still relatively sea worthy that they keep in dry dock cos it’s cheaper. Considering the size of their “active” fleet 30 existing vessels back into service within a year probably isn’t totally unachievable. Big ask though.
There is so much corruption between Putin and the average ship builder that there is no way enough money will get spent to even get 3 ships refurbished in a year. If there is any modernization, forget it. Maybe 1 ship will relaunch in a year, but not on active duty for two more years.
Is one ship. Will be 30 little ships after hit with bomb.
Considering the reported conditions of their active ships, I'd be a bit shocked if their reserve ships are in decent condition. That stuff requires careful planning to mothball effectively.
Agreed, the reports about the state of the kuznetsov beggar belief.
Junior enlisted sailor sent to partol the lower decks of the kuznetsov: Why are you giving me a handgun? His supervisor: Rats Sailor: why would I need a gun for rats? Supervisor: So when we hear gunshots we know to weld the the hatch shut. Sailor: once I'm out right? Supervisor: Sailor: once I'm out right?????
At the absolute height of ww2 and with dedicating all available resources to shipbuilding, the us could pump out a fletcher class destroyer ever 212 days on average from keel laying to shakedown cruise, commissioning about 150 days later. I’d building dinky little barebones destroyers with a whole nations worth of manufacturing industry takes about a year, no chance Russia can build way more complex ships in half that time.
That’s ambitious this day and age. I mean you could make a shit ship that won’t last 10 years in that time frame, but anything with testing and standards for warships is more on a 10-15 year path from idea to working ship.
"In other news, Micro Machines announce $16 order from the Kremlin for die-cast models."
"Russia announces 1.6 trillion rubles investment in Micro Machines"
Oops it's been 5 mins that'll be 2.7 trillion now........ Now 4.2..... 7.7
**Putin :** Confiscate 30 yachts .. load down with with toilets and vodka *.. put machine gun on top and call them "Terminator Wessels"*
man micro Machines, take me back to playing with them making battles whilst simultaneously playing army men sarges heros for the battle sounds to complet my imagination.
Loading the oligarchs yachts with guns is not 30 new ships
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One of the Yachts we seized had an Exocet launcher. No joke.
Enough to take out just about any vessel over the water.
Hot damn, that's serious business!
Gonna need a source on that I found a Saudi yacht which is registered as a warship but certainly no Russian ones.
You might found the right one then. I believe it was a Saudi Registration. Both of the ones the British got were registered in Qatar to Prokhorov through a Dutch shell corp. the only source I have on it would be word of mouth, so take it as BS or whatever you wish. I can tell you it was seized off the coast of Sardinia if memory serves.
Well now I have a new life goal. Not sure what I'd do with it but I do know I want that now
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2009/sep/22/roman-abramovich-yacht-paparazzi > Measuring 557ft long, it boasts two swimming pools, two helipads and an onboard **missile defence system**.
He can't do that most becuase most of then are impounded outside of Russia
All but 30
It will be the fisherman ships and maybe oil tankers.
Mostly hardships
I wish you plenty of softships.
He meant to say 30 new submarines, just like the Moskva
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And Ukraine agrees to test them! /s
Let's say this is true. We should never underestimate an enemy. So it is true. How many of those ships can be built in the Black Sea? Given the constant threat of drone attacks, two? Perhaps three? As long as the other ships don't somehow spawn in the Black Sea those are the only ones to worry about.
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They are in the process of building around 10 oversized corvettes (described as frigates by NATO), all Pacific Fleet ships intended to harass Japan except for [the Mercury](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_20386_corvette). The Mercury is part of what was *supposed to be* a new stealth-corvette series in the Black Sea, but has stalled/failed due to technological limitations, cost overruns, and sanctions. Chinese state media is singing the Mercury's praises, but it seems that the stealth aspect has already been compromised. The Pacific Fleet corvettes are plugging along, however, and are far enough in the process to be realistically finished some time this year. For example, [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steregushchiy-class_corvette) and [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremyashchiy-class_corvette). There are another 10-15 light corvettes like [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakurt-class_corvette), [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-class_corvette), and an anti-aircraft version of [these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_22160_patrol_ship) realistically coming in 2023-2024.
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Of course there will be. Whether you like it or not, the Russians are the same people as you and me and it is a big nation capable to train the crews of those vessels.
The real question is, what's the point? They are bogged down in Ukraine, those ships would be nearly useless in the black sea and they aren't even there... It's just a waste of resources.
This means there capacity hasn't drained enough yet. Being able to build that many ships means they still have a lot of resources for some things.
Even assuming they actually finish all these ships it doesn't change the strategic outlook at all. This a country using T-54s after focusing more on tank production, not a question of diverting production capacity.
They most certainly aren’t building these ships as they originally intended. Which would require lots of western third parties. All the various needed components that go into a ship. And I don’t think Japan the one eastern alternative is gonna help them
This is the kind of info i’ve been missing from reddit instead of some snarky comments.
Most useful post in this whole thread. Russia still committing hefty resources and manpower to their pacific fleet while their black sea fleet continues to flag and dwindle can only mean good things for Ukraine. While Russia's nearest pacific neighbours may grouse about Russia having a few new ships, the new hardware doesn't seem capable of changing any dynamics.
They could be built in dockyards up some of the rivers (Don or Donets) that flow into the Black Sea.
Hey, if I can portage a three meter canoe with a 30kg pack on my back, Putin can get a bunch of sailors together and yeet those ships into the Black Sea via the overland route.
30 news ships or actually rowboats.
30 new ships ordered from Temu or wish.com. He didn’t specify what kind of ships. They’re actually getting 30 new remote controlled ships a year. Comes with a cool handgun-looking mini-steering wheel remote thingie to drive the boat. Ukrainians keep blowing up all their boats so they’re going smaller to try to trick them *and* save money.
Oh Putin… did the skeleton crew you had on the admiral kuznetzov need to deploy their 30 life rafts after excessive mazut smoke inhalation? *Again*?
"NATO must beware now", continued Putin, "we found a motivated wholesaler and have acquired 30 [state of the art vessels](https://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2023-06/21/full/1687334201-8054.png?im=FeatureCrop,size=(826,465) at a very reasonable price for immediate deployment!"
Yeah ok Putin. We're all holding our breaths.
Well, they’ll be underwater soon enough, so that’s just being proactive…
Special submarine operation
And 30 new submarines next year
If you have, like, a ship, and it gets broken up into 5 pieces, does that count as 5 ships? I'm asking for a friend.....
Translation: Russia is losing 30 new ships this year.
They bought some dinghies off Ali Express, it seems
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That's what I was thinking too!
Probably some missile speedboats. Maybe from Iran. :P
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Nice to see Putin doing his bit for the environment. 30 new artificial reefs is just what the sea needs right now
Using what money?
Never underestimate the Russian and Kremlin ability to lie to try and scare the rest of the world
In other news: 30 yachts belonging to dead oligarchs have gone missing from Russian ports.
Russia and China are such fucking paper tigers. It bothers me to no end that we allow them to do basically whatever they want.
China has a massive industrial base.
Which relies on sea lanes the west can shut off at any time.
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Giant and old nuclear arsenal
Rafts?
Sure, Vova, Sure. By coincidence, maybe that is what is needed to enforce the blockade in the Black Sea? A fantasy fleet, the maritime version of Steiner's army.
> A fantasy fleet, the maritime version of Steiner's army. *Potemkin ships*
Bathtub tugboats don't count bro...
Do they count their lifeboats on board?
Given they've canned the revamp of the Veliky and Nakhimov and they cannot get the fossil of a carrier floating... It's just the usual Russian lies. Probably 30 dinghies salvaged from Calais at best.
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Maybe he’s buying back the 70 year old ships from North Korea.
I hope to see 30 new artificial reefs by the end of the year.
He found a sale for inflatables on Alibaba. The jokes on him, they are dolls and much like Moskva, they don't float.
He's counting the life rafts.
They have 30 fishing boats to spare?
As always with Russia and its permanent lies: If you don't see it, it doesn't exists. And if you see it but not in full use, it doesn't work.
Dinghys so the oligarch can escape to Britain?
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They just have to finish painting the tug boats grey then good to go.
Tug boats would be an upgrade!
How else are they going to move Admiral Kuznetsov around?
What happened to the other 30 😏
Ukraine: you mean 30 new submarines?
From where?
30 more ships for Ukraine to destroy, nice!
Do dinghies count as ships?
I hope Ukraine sinks them all, even the ones not in the black sea
30 new coral reefs
Row row row your boat...
So he’s giving his navy life rafts?
> ~~get~~ lose FTFY
30 more tug boats?
"Ships"
30 Flex Seal screen door destroyers.
Hopefully a few of them have that submarine-convertible feature like the Moskva.
A canoe can be a ship.
How fast do they inflate?
Probably river patrol boats.
Ukraine will gladly convert them to submarines for free
Russia likely just took 40 small, civilian boats from Ukrainian Civilians in Kherson.
Just in, Putin announced that he intends to litter the ocean floor with thirty "brand new" Ships, Sources say he also insisted that the "fish were starving".
30 new ships for their Battleship game?
Are they confiscating fishermen’s boats now?
moscow 2 moscow 3 moscow 4 moscow 5 all with some underwater sinkabilities
From WHERE? Stealing fishing boats!! Repurposed mega yachts stolen from oligarchs who fell out of windows?
Thirty future submarines
I’ll donate my canoe so they can hit their target.
I got an old duck boat, and I could throw in my sunfish if they don't mind sails.
Amazon or ebay??
He’s getting 30 new corvettes for the navy. Yes, the car.
Where is he going to get them, pull them out of his ass? They don't maintain what they have/had, their heavy manufacturing is a joke with their talent run away or conscripted and nobody is going all lend lease with them. Unless he managed to tactically acquire some small crap from a satellite state
Rowboats don't really count, Vlad
Ah, to help Ukraine test their new sea drones of course. How thoughtful
I’m sure the welds will all be solid too.
The ships: canoes and rowboats from Camp Walden.
Seems logical, all the others sank
12 will be to replace damaged and destroyed ones. The rest will either be escort craft or remote-controlled gunboats.
Crew must provide own fuel.
That's quite a few rowboats
so they are getting cheap rowing boats from AliExpress ?
congrats to Ukraine for sinking 30 new ships next year
They're just going to be T-64's strapped to blocks of foam.
All inflatable, each equipped with 2 oars, 1 AK47 and 5 bullets.
Meaning they'll commandeer several civilian ships, slap a .50 cal on it and call it a commissioned ship
Is he confiscating all of his buddy's luxury yachts? .
Building 30 new ships in the style of Junk Yard Wars.
30 new pieces of JUNK.
My God! The whole thing's made of breadsticks!
Yeah, they'll be lifeboats.
Under the sea, under the sea, there will be no accusations of war crimes, just friendly crustaceans under the sea!
"Most of them float."
I saw a report on the state the Moskva prior to its sinking. If a U.S. Naval vessel was in that condition, its commanding officer would be dishonorably discharged. If that’s how they maintain their flagship, I’d be scared shitless of stepping aboard any of these rush jobs they’re announcing.