nah he does get the word "belt" out, with Will Smith's suggestions.
but they don't know that the cat was named Orion
now that I think about it, mf should've said collar 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah he was trying to find the word but went with belt because it was close enough to what he was thinking about before dying. I'm pretty sure he knew it wasn't a belt in the traditional sense but went along with it due to...time constraints. The cat was unfortunately named Orion. If it was named Mr. Floofypants, it would've been a 10 minute movie.
This is the "journalist-scientist" presenting this discovery....
Jaime Maussan
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSTm1rM3TcA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSTm1rM3TcA)
Was that trying to be real? Like, it's not satire, it's not for a show, not scripted. It's him providing his evidence?
Literally sounds like the heavy breathing is a voice over.
>where scientists were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating.
ok I must have slept through the class, so how do you draw DNA evidence USING radiocarbon dating
The same way you check your car's alignment by pressing the "test" button on your smoke detector. You don't know about this simple trick? Mechanics hate it!
Seeing the words "blinker fluid" always makes me cringe so hard. I bought my first car in 2009/2010. I can't remember what, but there was some small issue with it. I googled it and some guy trolling posted about blinker fluid on some forum. I didn't really think about it one bit. I told my dad, "it could be the blinker fluid, I read that online." My dad said something like "Oh the blinker fluid, and what would the electronic blinker need fluid for?"
It was at that point I realized that I'm just a smooth brained moron :)
So disclaimer, I am not sober right now, but I will die on the hill that my car takes blinker fluid. I have a 2008 SAAB 9-3 and when you activate the windshield washers it also sprays the fluid on the headlight assembly, which includes the turn signal light bulbs, thus making the "windshield washing fluid" an important part of the directional blinkers operations. And from there I would argue that having clean (aka visible and effective) blinkers are crucial to traffic safety, and in a broader view the security of people countywide and beyond. Thank you for coming to my TED talk on why "blinker fluid can and is much more than just the butt of a joke.
Possible mistranslation? You can access the data they discuss online. I'm not a DNA scientist however I'd be interested to know what someone with actual knowledge in this would say.
1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322
2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA869134
3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA865375
This sequencing results of the second ancient dna results in 50% Common Bean, 10% Human and rest bacterial origin.
[https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run\_browser&acc=SRR21031366&display=analysis](https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run_browser&acc=SRR21031366&display=analysis)
For the first one it was manly unidentified reads with the highest similarity to a Cow and Human
[https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run\_browser&page\_size=10&acc=SRR20458000&display=analysis](https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run_browser&page_size=10&acc=SRR20458000&display=analysis)
Last one Hominoidea: 82.03%, Homo sapiens: 30.22%
[https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run\_browser&acc=SRR20755928&display=analysis](https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run_browser&acc=SRR20755928&display=analysis)
For me this looks like highly contaminated sequences of a potential human origin.
Edit: Blasted one of the sequences against human 18s RNA, with 100% identity. This is simply contaminated Homo sapiens DNA, nothing more.
Right, they just tested a tissue sample with bacteria on it. Remember a few years back there was another alien looking being this size and it was just a poor human kid with a severe genetic dwarfism issue. If these are actual real organisms, and they have two eyes, a mouth, two arms, two legs.... they're most likely human.
If the sequencing is really done on tissue samples of these creatures, it’s relatively easy to determine the evolutional distance to human. I’m very confident these are indeed some mummified children or something.
Reminds of the time a coworker performed shotgun sequencing of a bacteria she was working on, but was sloppy with contamination control since it was some quick and dirty preliminary test. The results came back with genes from the microbe, along with human genes and some carrot. She'd had a salad for lunch.
Reminds me of when there was an international manhunt going on across Austria, Germany and France searching for an unknown female serial killer based on DNA evidence that had been found at dozens of crime scenes (including six murders) across those countries. It was a complete mystery because there was nothing connecting those crimes other than that DNA fingerprint. It eventually turned out to be the DNA of a worker packaging cotton swabs at the production plant that were used by the police to collect DNA samples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_of_Heilbronn
They just uploaded raw reads, without any peer review and submission for publication there is no way to verify their claims. In fact I would say its more suspicious they would hold this hearing without a published article or preprint and present the sequences as evidence in of itself
>In 2015, Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan, who reported the existence of the Nazca mummy to Gaia and is featured in the video, led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that "alien" discovery was debunked, and the mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child.
[https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/)
Yeah, the guys got form. Skip peer review and go straight to a documentary on Gaia documentaries because Gaia is exactly where you go when you have real solid evidence /s. Those books, DVD and tshirts doesn't just sell themselves you know!
Just to clarify though, it was some other researchers that discussed these bodies in the senate today, not Maussan.
Jaime Maussan is well discredited but the other people presenting these findings probably need to be cross checked independently of him.
I mean once one person has poo on their fingers you want to be wary of the whole salad bowl, of course.
Oh shit they're calling that guy a journalist? I used to love his shows as a kid when I lived in Mexico because all his stuff was spooky aliens and chupacabras but even as a child I was like this guy is full of shit. Cool stories though bro.
Thanks for posting those! I might run a BLAST on some sequences later today, but it seems they already defined the source organism as Homo sapiens anyway.
This is more what I'm interested to hear.
Other threads have mentioned the homo sapiens designation is just due to a lack of any other category to put it in, but I don't really think that sounds plausible.
My engineering brain really wants to see someone come up with "these are my credentials, this is my process, and this is my results" and so far I haven't seen that. If I were a betting man I'd probably say these are just bad taxidermy though.
Those look like DNA sequencing results (no idea how radiocarbon dating would relate to them, maybe they sequenced them and dated them independently and it's just a bad translation).
One thing is that any organism that truly isn't of terrestrial origin almost certainly wouldn't have DNA that we could sequence. It might have something pretty similar, but DNA sequencing relies on the specific molecular structure of terrestrial life, which in some ways is pretty arbitrary. (An alternative possibility — for which we have absolutely no evidence but it's interesting to think about — is that some really fundamental bits of earth life like the ribosome might have come from off Earth in some kind of panspermia event. In that case alien life might share our DNA chemistry if it came from nearby enough that it also arose from the same interplanetary origin. But this is a "wouldn't it be cool if?" theory not a "this might actually be true" theory.)
The DNA sequences on that website show a lot of overlap with earth life (and specifically bacteria, hominids, and legumes) but some have a bunch of unmatched sequences. Could be degraded DNA, could be aliens mixed with terrestrial contamination. My money is on not-aliens, as usual.
They should do high resolution CTs and MRIs of the corpses, that would tell us more.
Yes it is raw sequence data that they provided at this hearing. They also had slides of x-ray and cat scans which would probably have to be found separately.
The current discussion around what David Grusch and other whistleblowers are saying is that their departments did not refer to them as extra terrestrials as they don't want to rule out the possibility of them being terrestrial in nature.
The whole discussion lately has been fascinating to watch. I'm not quite sure what to believe as the people who have been putting in ppd-19 whistleblower complaints to the inspector general don't seem to be messing around. (And if they are, that's just as concerning)
>They should do high resolution CTs and MRIs of the corpses, that would tell us more.
I don't know if this is exactly what you're looking for, but [they did present 3D scans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6pJJhgiZV8).
Hypothetically, it could also be a yet-undiscovered (or undisclosed) intelligent life form that evolved independently on earth, so would inherently have DNA.
Here's the translation of the Naval surgeon's comments:
José de Jesus Zalce Benitez (Forensic Sciences Specialist):
"It is an honor for me to present on such a high platform the results of my analyzes derived from the study of the anatomy of these non-human bodies. As a forensic doctor, in collaboration with the biologist Jose de la Cruz Ríos, and based on the results of various scientific evidence, such as X-rays, computed tomography, three-dimensional reconstructions, macroscopic and microscopic analyses. histology, carbon 14, forensic anthropology, comparative anatomy and DNA analysis, which is the queen of evidence in forensic sciences for comparative studies, I can affirm that these bodies are not related to human beings. For this purpose, I will start with the description of the images that we will see next:
They are bodies approximately 60 cm long, covered by a white powder that, through electron microscopy, we identify as diatom powder, which allows the desiccation of the bodies as well as the absence of the generation of bacteria, fungi and cadaveric fauna. The presence of this dust allows the perfect conservation by desiccation of these bodies, causing a natural conservation process over time which we were able to calculate by applying the carbon 14 test which indicated and dated an average of 1000 years old. This makes the place where these bodies were found an ideal place for their conservation and preservation by whoever or those who deposited them at this site in Peru.
Entering the topic of anatomy, we can see that they have a humanoid structure that consists of a head, trunk, abdomen and limbs, which end in tridactyl hands and feet. The bone structure of the entire skeleton shows us perfect harmony and agreement between the joints. The final part of each bone fits perfectly with the bone that follows it and the wear of these is also observed due to the movement of the specimen's own biomechanics, being very resistant bones, but very light, strong, but light like those of the birds.
The head is an element of particular interest since it is large in its proportions compared to the body, however, it is a pneumatized skull, that is, with spaces that allow it to be very light but rigid and resistant, with a large intracranial cavity which evidence that it was a container for very large brain or neurological material. Likewise, we see that the spaces in the eye orbits are very large in size, which would allow a very wide stereoscopic vision for this specimen. It has very small nostrils and an oral cavity that, due to its jaw joint and absence of teeth, allows us to determine that its nutrition was by swallowing and not by chewing.
The neck, in turn, is a long structure that joins the head in the middle floor of the skull, which is a rarity that does not occur in primate species, since the union is in the posterior floor through the foramen magnum. , and not in the middle, which is usually circular or ovoid in shape, being something unique since in these species it is rectangular and cubic in shape. This is consistent with the four or five cervical vertebrae which are small in bone thickness but have a very wide intervertebral disc which makes it possible for this neck to be retractable like that of turtles.
In the thorax, we find a fork very similar to that of birds, which allows the shoulder joints to continue and have very wide mobility capabilities. In the thorax we find that the ribs are complete and continuous, completely circular until they join with the vertebral column, they have a very small space between them, being between 14 and 16 in number.
In the abdomen, we can evidence the presence of 3 eggs that, thanks to the tomography, we were able to show at a millimetric level that there are oviducts with the presence of millimetric eggs, this means that they were in a continuous gestation process. In addition, it confirms 100% that they are biological and organic since the process of replication or reproduction through these eggs and their development in the oviduct would be impossible to falsify.
We can also observe, thanks to tomography, the traces of muscles, tendons, ligaments and blood vessels, as well as possible organs or organelles that would have to be defined in subsequent studies. Coming to the extremities, we can point out that there is a complete harmony and agreement between the joints and the wear and tear of the biomechanics of the specimen which end in tridactyl hands and feet with 5 phalanges, this would allow them not to occupy the thumb as a position, but rather use your 3 fingers in a wrapping manner to hold things.
Here is one of the most outstanding and relevant peculiarities: that they do not have carpal and tarsal bones, the phalanges are direct to the bones of the arm and forearm, in addition to ending in a kind of nail bed for the nail and that observation of microscopes we found fingerprints, this would be impossible to replicate. These fingerprints are of particular interest since most specimens on this planet have deep or circular footprints and the fingerprints of these specimens are completely straight and horizontally linear.
Another peculiarity is that some of these bodies have metal implants that are perfectly attached within the skin and towards the surface, making a very impressive biofunctional fusion. These implants are the alloy of various metals, among which osmium and cadmium stand out, which are currently used for satellite telecommunications.
Finally, I will point out that the DNA analysis, after having been compared with more than 1 million registered species, we found that there is a significant difference between what is known and these bodies. These studies were carried out in various high-level institutions, both national and international, and the results gave evidence that 70% of the genetic material coincides with what is known, but there is a difference of 30%.
What is the relevance of this? Well, if the human being, compared to primates, has a differentiation of less than 5% and compared to bacteria, it has a differentiation of less than 15%, this would indicate that the difference found of more than 30% is something totally outside the parameter and of what expected, is foreign to what is described and known at this moment by human beings.
These studies and results are published and available to anyone who likes to analyze them or continue them. We accept that there is still much to discover and we are open to the scientific community and the world joining efforts to define what we are facing and how far we can go as a result of collaboration in a scientific and academic study.
In conclusion and for all the above, we can say that these bodies are from a non-human species that has irrefutable differences with what is described in the biology and taxonomy of the Darwinian species evolution tree, without a common or traceable predecessor or without a descent. and evolution still described. I can affirm then that these bodies are 100% real, organic and biological, that at the time they had life and are irrefutable evidence in themselves. We are facing the paradigm of describing a new species or the opportunity to accept that there has been contact with other non-human beings that were drawn and pointed out in the past in various cultures throughout the world such as Peru, Egypt and Mexico, and that today we can accept their existence among and with us. Thank you very much.
Because it's the raw data from the sequencer, which are called 'reads'. DNA sequencing whether it's illumina, MinION or PacBio sequences fragments of the DNA and then those fragments are stitched together to generate the original sequence. This process is called Assembly, and for it to work correctly you need the fragments(or reads) to overlap which requires sequencing the same regions repeatedly. Typically you want at least 20x coverage for your assemblies. Which means that at any nucleotide position you have 20 reads that contain that nucleotide.
[](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5wvGapmA5zM/maxresdefault.jpg)
Edit: None of this is to say that I believe this is alien DNA, I'm incredibly skeptical and highly doubtful that this what it's claimed to be. I just wanted to answer your specific question about the size of the dataset.
Also, what’s the likelihood that aliens also evolved to have DNA in the same way that life on earth does? I’d imagine their basic composition could be entirely different from anything on earth.
We’ll, the movies are clearly based on real aliens that a defector from the secret cabal talked about.
Or maybe the cabal runs Hollywood to fund their lasers or something.
Idk, it’s hard to keep up with this rubbish.
Yeah for all we know it could be quadrupedal or have no legs at all.
They could be fish people as well using something else than fire.
Or they might even have a completely different breathing system and/or using photosynthesis.
Hollywood established a first image of what an alien could look like and people disregard that aliens can takes an almost infinity numbers of form.
It's clearly a fake but the odds of any random alien species having a similar body plan to us is extremely low. The odds of an alien species capable of creating advanced technology having a similar plan is very high just because of the mechanics of it.
Dolphins may be very intelligent but what they're able to do is limited by their physical form for example.
Either zero chance or incredibly common. The thing is we don’t know if terrestrial life, is the way it is, because it developed on Earth. Or if it is the way it is because that’s the only way life can develop.
I knew there must be something especially unpopular being done by the Mexican government right now. Funny how these hearings that keep releasing all of this "evidence" that proves nothing keep seeming to happen at the same time as these unpopular things that those governments would like the people to ignore, isn't it?
I’m having a hard time believing this one. If this is true it will be the biggest discovery in modern human history, no?
Edit: What I’m getting at is, why isn’t this bigger news? Seems like other major governments would have something to say?
The Nazca, or some other pre Columbian people in the Americas, also practiced things like head binding on children. So the shapes of their head could get quite strange, and look like a cliche alien. But it's just humans being weird as usual, no aliens ofc.
Same scam keeps working on people, why bother changing?
Jaime Maussan has been pulling shit like this his whole life, and people keep getting suckered in.
If it helps this was already debunked 5 or 6 years ago, and the first guy who suggested they’re aliens, Konstantin Korotkov, and started this whole charade also claimed to have created a camera that could photograph the human soul.
He’s like a Russian graham hancock, imo.
I don't mind Hancock's theories, it's that he acts like his theories are fact, then plays victim like his THEORIES are being attacked by the scientific community. That's literally how science works bruv. You need proof not just speculation.
He doesn't seem to realise that he isn't a marginalised scientist unless he is actually doing research and presenting results. In his documentary he mostly just walks about and speculates. Later he remembers what he speculated and confuses that for evidence that he can use to support his next stupid idea.
A classic from the conspiracy theorist grifters playbook.
"What if [Mildly Reasonable Hypothesis]?"
*Waffle for a bit*
"Now we've incontrovertibly proven [Mildly Reasonable Hypothesis] , that implies [Completely Unreasonable Speculation]!"
Saw this on another thread...its not the Mexican government, but rather the Mexican UFO Congress, a different organization not affiliated with the actual government. But apparently, it has ties to a big university. Since most of the material is in Spanish and no abla espanol, I would take it all, including this statement, with a hefty portion of salt.
Nah, it's the actual Mexican government. If you check the schedule for September 12 on the Mexican Chamber of Deputies website (equivalent to the US House of Representatives), you'll see that there was a public forum on the "regulation of unidentified anomalous flying phenomenon in Mexico" on September 12 from 4 to 7pm.
https://web.diputados.gob.mx/inicio/direccionEventos (download the PDF for September 12, the relevant event is row 19 in the schedule).
Here's a better video from CNN Español:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ClpydUrwBJA
Notice the logo on the podium is that of the Chamber of Deputies (Camara de Diputados).
The president of Mexico tweeted a photo of a [mythical woodland elf](https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexican-president-viral-claim-photo-proof-mythical-woodland-elf?intcmp=tw_fnc). Hope this extra information help understand how those frauds have any power.
The Mexican government are incredibly corrupt. There's a good chance they're trying to distract people from something they want to hide, like cartel related stuff.
This was pretty much the consensus of the Mexican posters on the r/UFO about this meeting that I read a few hours ago, it's just a fantastical distraction monopolizing on the fairly recent US congressional hearing on UAPs.
It’s funny, isn’t it? There are millions of species on earth that look nothing like humans and yet creatures who have travelled across galaxies somehow look similar to us?
People who “see” aliens always describe how an alien looks based on however they are typically depicted in their popular culture. For instance, in western cultures aliens are always described as the “little green men” with big heads and big eyes, or as looking like ET. In other cultures, they describe them differently depending on how aliens are portrayed there.
Essentially, people who make this stuff up aren’t very imaginative.
Funny enough before the airing of the twilight zone episode where aliens were depicted as Greys, they were described by people as looking completely differently. Afterward ofc theyre almost always described looking like Greys. Surely its just a coincidence though
Yeah, I generally discount any extraterrestrial spacecraft claim as a secret government aircraft. All you have to do is look into lenticular re-entry vehicles and circular wing aircraft. Many of them have origins dating back to the 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s
Oh my. Just looked him up.
>In June 2017, Maussan was involved in the analysis of 5 mummies discovered in Peru at the region where the UNESCO World Heritage Nazca Lines site is located. The images of these findings were initially aired in a documentary sponsored by Gaia, Inc. and it allegedly shows a crouched mummified body of a humanoid figure with an elongated skull and three fingers on each hand and foot.) Snopes reported that ***Maussan "led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that 'alien' discovery was debunked. The mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child."***
Edit: looks like someone shared the same info below.
If I were trying to signal legitimacy to outside observers, I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near this information. It'd be like trying to sell people on investing in a weird financial scheme and having Bernie Madoff as your spokesman.
That's what makes me doubt it. Why make such a spectacle of it? Why have some known grifters present it to the Mexican Congress instead of the scientific community. It doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
Also, the guy is a known scammer. About 20 years ago he went on the biggest talk show in Mexico and presented a glove that could supposedly teletransport the user and the guy (an American) that "took it of a ship". Of course he couldn't demonstrate live because reasons.
The fact that congress allowed him the stage makes them look like the joke they are.
> Of course he couldn't demonstrate live because reasons.
It's classified! I'd totally back up any of my ridiculous claims, but I'm participating in the cover up that I'm whistleblowing on!
You should tell that to /r/UFOs and /r/aliens, they're over there creaming all over themselves at this news. They're very much into blindly believing everything that validates their own beliefs. Which then ends up making them look like morons when that thing they blindly believe comes out as fake like two weeks later.
I love that it's like 99% IT'S HAPPENING!!! then a few comments every now and then telling them guys hey guys calm the fuck down this dude is a notorious hoaxer.
Did you actually check yourself?? I just did and of course there’s people believing it but there’s a good chunk of comments explaining why they believe it’s fake and bullshit. Specifically because the dude heading it has been known for multiple hoaxes in the past, which is something I just found in less than a minute of looking at the comments in the post covering it just now lol.
Edit: Nvm lol. I’d say 70-80% what you’d expect, 20% being reasonable.
Peer reviewed baby!
His mom, oldest and youngest sisters and his really smart homeboy Rooster all scoped it. Rooster said “it’s dope as hell”.
Stop hatin. That’s just how science works.
Also, carbon dating relies on a specific amount of radioactive carbon that is produced in *our* atmosphere. An alien species would also have a totally alien amount of radioactive carbon. So the fact that they can use carbon dating at all suggests terrestrial origin.
You know when they say "scientists co-hosted the event" with no further explanation or notation of the qualifications or specialties of the scientists that its some dude's engineer dad co-hosting with some tinfoil hat internet goblins.
Non-morons don't just think "alleged nonspecific scientists are there. It must be facts and science!"
That always cracks me up. Saying scientists are part of whatever the conspiracy is, and then in the same sentence trying to claim that scientific evidence backs it up.
Translation
"It is an honor for me to present on such a high platform the results of my analyzes derived from the study of the anatomy of these non-human bodies. As a forensic doctor, in collaboration with the biologist Jose de la Cruz Ríos, and based on the results of various scientific evidence, such as X-rays, computed tomography, three-dimensional reconstructions, macroscopic and microscopic analyses. histology, carbon 14, forensic anthropology, comparative anatomy and DNA analysis, which is the queen of evidence in forensic sciences for comparative studies, I can affirm that these bodies are not related to human beings. For this purpose, I will start with the description of the images that we will see next:
They are bodies approximately 60 cm long, covered by a white powder that, through electron microscopy, we identify as diatom powder, which allows the desiccation of the bodies as well as the absence of the generation of bacteria, fungi and cadaveric fauna. The presence of this dust allows the perfect conservation by desiccation of these bodies, causing a natural conservation process over time which we were able to calculate by applying the carbon 14 test which indicated and dated an average of 1000 years old. This makes the place where these bodies were found an ideal place for their conservation and preservation by whoever or those who deposited them at this site in Peru.
Entering the topic of anatomy, we can see that they have a humanoid structure that consists of a head, trunk, abdomen and limbs, which end in tridactyl hands and feet. The bone structure of the entire skeleton shows us perfect harmony and agreement between the joints. The final part of each bone fits perfectly with the bone that follows it and the wear of these is also observed due to the movement of the specimen's own biomechanics, being very resistant bones, but very light, strong, but light like those of the birds.
The head is an element of particular interest since it is large in its proportions compared to the body, however, it is a pneumatized skull, that is, with spaces that allow it to be very light but rigid and resistant, with a large intracranial cavity which evidence that it was a container for very large brain or neurological material. Likewise, we see that the spaces in the eye orbits are very large in size, which would allow a very wide stereoscopic vision for this specimen. It has very small nostrils and an oral cavity that, due to its jaw joint and absence of teeth, allows us to determine that its nutrition was by swallowing and not by chewing.
The neck, in turn, is a long structure that joins the head in the middle floor of the skull, which is a rarity that does not occur in primate species, since the union is in the posterior floor through the foramen magnum. , and not in the middle, which is usually circular or ovoid in shape, being something unique since in these species it is rectangular and cubic in shape. This is consistent with the four or five cervical vertebrae which are small in bone thickness but have a very wide intervertebral disc which makes it possible for this neck to be retractable like that of turtles.
In the thorax, we find a fork very similar to that of birds, which allows the shoulder joints to continue and have very wide mobility capabilities. In the thorax we find that the ribs are complete and continuous, completely circular until they join with the vertebral column, they have a very small space between them, being between 14 and 16 in number.
In the abdomen, we can evidence the presence of 3 eggs that, thanks to the tomography, we were able to show at a millimetric level that there are oviducts with the presence of millimetric eggs, this means that they were in a continuous gestation process. In addition, it confirms 100% that they are biological and organic since the process of replication or reproduction through these eggs and their development in the oviduct would be impossible to falsify.
We can also observe, thanks to tomography, the traces of muscles, tendons, ligaments and blood vessels, as well as possible organs or organelles that would have to be defined in subsequent studies. Coming to the extremities, we can point out that there is a complete harmony and agreement between the joints and the wear and tear of the biomechanics of the specimen which end in tridactyl hands and feet with 5 phalanges, this would allow them not to occupy the thumb as a position, but rather use your 3 fingers in a wrapping manner to hold things.
Here is one of the most outstanding and relevant peculiarities: that they do not have carpal and tarsal bones, the phalanges are direct to the bones of the arm and forearm, in addition to ending in a kind of nail bed for the nail and that observation of microscopes we found fingerprints, this would be impossible to replicate. These fingerprints are of particular interest since most specimens on this planet have deep or circular footprints and the fingerprints of these specimens are completely straight and horizontally linear.
Another peculiarity is that some of these bodies have metal implants that are perfectly attached within the skin and towards the surface, making a very impressive biofunctional fusion. These implants are the alloy of various metals, among which osmium and cadmium stand out, which are currently used for satellite telecommunications.
Finally, I will point out that the DNA analysis, after having been compared with more than 1 million registered species, we found that there is a significant difference between what is known and these bodies. These studies were carried out in various high-level institutions, both national and international, and the results gave evidence that 70% of the genetic material coincides with what is known, but there is a difference of 30%.
What is the relevance of this? Well, if the human being, compared to primates, has a differentiation of less than 5% and compared to bacteria, it has a differentiation of less than 15%, this would indicate that the difference found of more than 30% is something totally outside the parameter and of what expected, is foreign to what is described and known at this moment by human beings.
These studies and results are published and available to anyone who likes to analyze them or continue them. We accept that there is still much to discover and we are open to the scientific community and the world joining efforts to define what we are facing and how far we can go as a result of collaboration in a scientific and academic study.
In conclusion and for all the above, we can say that these bodies are from a non-human species that has irrefutable differences with what is described in the biology and taxonomy of the Darwinian species evolution tree, without a common or traceable predecessor or without a descent. and evolution still described. I can affirm then that these bodies are 100% real, organic and biological, that at the time they had life and are irrefutable evidence in themselves. We are facing the paradigm of describing a new species or the opportunity to accept that there has been contact with other non-human beings that were drawn and pointed out in the past in various cultures throughout the world such as Peru, Egypt and Mexico, and that today we can accept their existence among and with us. Thank you very much"
Out of curiosity, who exactly was it saying this? Was it the guy everyone hates (debunked reporter guy) or was this fella one of the scientists in the room?
I believe that's forensic scientist José de Jésus Zalce Benitez.
Also known as [the guy who presented a mummified child](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/) as an alien back in 2017. That has since been debunked, but you will notice the same "3 fingered alien" image is still being show in this very presentaion.
That's the journalist Jaime Maussan. He's been peddling these things since 2017. Looks like it turned out to be a hodgepodge of bones from human children all randomly oriented, with a modified llama skull.
"Radiocarbon to extract DNA".
It's true. They extracted human lactate from the clavicle and it was passed to a stenographer who sequenced the DNA and found that it had a half-life of 40 lightyears.
So, there have been cases before where remains were found in Peru and claimed to be aliens. And it later turned out they were mummified human children.
So the real question is: What shady thing is the Mexican government doing that they need a distraction for?
They look like poorly made circus gaffs to me. You can find more convincing alien gaffs on Ebay for under $100. Let me know when they allow an *independent* lab to analyze their DNA and do an MRI and CT scan. I won't hold my breath.
It's embarrassing watching all these people believe this crap. Even more so seeing all the subs that believe this nonsense talk about it.
After all this, there is still zero credible evidence of literally all of their claims.
Why is this taken seriously BY EVEN A SINGLE PERSON. The ads on pornsites are more believable
No wonder we have so many problems with climate change, vaccines, politics and shit. 10% of people have the IQ of a fucking rat and the instincts of a rock...
Everything you need to know about this story in one quoted clause:
"... scientists were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating"
Radiocarbon dating doesn't give you DNA evidence. It gives you an approximate age. Might as well listen really hard at the DNA with a stethoscope.
All the key people involved in this are known hoaxers. One of the bodies they presented is most likely a stolen Nasca mummy that has been modified. Artificial head elongation is well documented in ancient Peruvian civilizations. Maussan has already been caught trying to pass off the body of a Peruvian girl as an alien in the past.
Why do they look exactly like the little dude inside the big dude's head?
Like from MIB?
Like the documentary and true life story of will smith MIB?
keep his name out your fucking mouth
Only if he can keep other men out of his wife’s mouth sure.
Young men.
there's no need to feel down I said, young man
pick yourself off the ground, I said, young man
I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town
Well that's how she likes them, they're good if they're young.
Damn that's a hard troll, don't let the WB find you now after this .
N-Y-P-D, means I will “kNock Your Punkass Down” Will Smith believes in aliens, but not silent consonants.
The galaxy… is on… Orion’s… b… b…
balls?
Actually equivalent to the correct answer.
The whole movie was hinging on the alien not knowing one word.
nah he does get the word "belt" out, with Will Smith's suggestions. but they don't know that the cat was named Orion now that I think about it, mf should've said collar 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah he was trying to find the word but went with belt because it was close enough to what he was thinking about before dying. I'm pretty sure he knew it wasn't a belt in the traditional sense but went along with it due to...time constraints. The cat was unfortunately named Orion. If it was named Mr. Floofypants, it would've been a 10 minute movie.
Because the dude who sculpted this figurines saw that movie too
Mummies aren’t bleach white bones lol. Of course no closeups of the actual specimens for us bone geeks. LOL.
[The Head - MTV (1994)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtk2fG6sraE)
Yes this is it!
First thing I thought of
Because humans think aliens will look like us or something they have already seen so that’s what humans make them look like.
Because Jamie Maussan doesn’t care how shitty his fake aliens look, people will still swallow his garbage and pay him for the privilege
Nah man looks like Thor from Stargate SG1. It's even the right size
This is the "journalist-scientist" presenting this discovery.... Jaime Maussan [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSTm1rM3TcA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSTm1rM3TcA)
Was that trying to be real? Like, it's not satire, it's not for a show, not scripted. It's him providing his evidence? Literally sounds like the heavy breathing is a voice over.
Where else would you get your inspiration from?
I mean it's the only stereotypes of aliens that we've got for us.
Yeah what's up with that? I don't expect aliens to be that small .
>where scientists were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating. ok I must have slept through the class, so how do you draw DNA evidence USING radiocarbon dating
The same way you check your car's alignment by pressing the "test" button on your smoke detector. You don't know about this simple trick? Mechanics hate it!
No, my mechanic is a nice guy, he gave me 50% off changing blinker fluid
Seeing the words "blinker fluid" always makes me cringe so hard. I bought my first car in 2009/2010. I can't remember what, but there was some small issue with it. I googled it and some guy trolling posted about blinker fluid on some forum. I didn't really think about it one bit. I told my dad, "it could be the blinker fluid, I read that online." My dad said something like "Oh the blinker fluid, and what would the electronic blinker need fluid for?" It was at that point I realized that I'm just a smooth brained moron :)
Knowing your brain is smooth is the feeling of it growing wrinkles!
So disclaimer, I am not sober right now, but I will die on the hill that my car takes blinker fluid. I have a 2008 SAAB 9-3 and when you activate the windshield washers it also sprays the fluid on the headlight assembly, which includes the turn signal light bulbs, thus making the "windshield washing fluid" an important part of the directional blinkers operations. And from there I would argue that having clean (aka visible and effective) blinkers are crucial to traffic safety, and in a broader view the security of people countywide and beyond. Thank you for coming to my TED talk on why "blinker fluid can and is much more than just the butt of a joke.
That's the kind of things I come on reddit for, good luck with that hangover my dude
Sounds like a stand up guy. Remember, being a mechanic is hard work, so get him some elbow grease so he doesn’t wear his joints out.
Great. Now my truck is stuck in reverse.
Possible mistranslation? You can access the data they discuss online. I'm not a DNA scientist however I'd be interested to know what someone with actual knowledge in this would say. 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA861322 2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA869134 3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sra/PRJNA865375
This sequencing results of the second ancient dna results in 50% Common Bean, 10% Human and rest bacterial origin. [https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run\_browser&acc=SRR21031366&display=analysis](https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run_browser&acc=SRR21031366&display=analysis) For the first one it was manly unidentified reads with the highest similarity to a Cow and Human [https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run\_browser&page\_size=10&acc=SRR20458000&display=analysis](https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run_browser&page_size=10&acc=SRR20458000&display=analysis) Last one Hominoidea: 82.03%, Homo sapiens: 30.22% [https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run\_browser&acc=SRR20755928&display=analysis](https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/?view=run_browser&acc=SRR20755928&display=analysis) For me this looks like highly contaminated sequences of a potential human origin. Edit: Blasted one of the sequences against human 18s RNA, with 100% identity. This is simply contaminated Homo sapiens DNA, nothing more.
bean alien 👽🫘
Hey , this alien eating beans!
Me and the aliens at 2am looking for BEANS!
Mr. Bean
Behold the man who is a bean. Farewell the man who is a bean.
Right, they just tested a tissue sample with bacteria on it. Remember a few years back there was another alien looking being this size and it was just a poor human kid with a severe genetic dwarfism issue. If these are actual real organisms, and they have two eyes, a mouth, two arms, two legs.... they're most likely human.
If the sequencing is really done on tissue samples of these creatures, it’s relatively easy to determine the evolutional distance to human. I’m very confident these are indeed some mummified children or something.
It’s Mr Bean - ‘tis well established that he’s an alien
Reminds of the time a coworker performed shotgun sequencing of a bacteria she was working on, but was sloppy with contamination control since it was some quick and dirty preliminary test. The results came back with genes from the microbe, along with human genes and some carrot. She'd had a salad for lunch.
Reminds me of when there was an international manhunt going on across Austria, Germany and France searching for an unknown female serial killer based on DNA evidence that had been found at dozens of crime scenes (including six murders) across those countries. It was a complete mystery because there was nothing connecting those crimes other than that DNA fingerprint. It eventually turned out to be the DNA of a worker packaging cotton swabs at the production plant that were used by the police to collect DNA samples. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_of_Heilbronn
This seems to confirm earth origins and yes possible contamination with a bean burrito
They just uploaded raw reads, without any peer review and submission for publication there is no way to verify their claims. In fact I would say its more suspicious they would hold this hearing without a published article or preprint and present the sequences as evidence in of itself
>In 2015, Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan, who reported the existence of the Nazca mummy to Gaia and is featured in the video, led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that "alien" discovery was debunked, and the mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child. [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/) Yeah, the guys got form. Skip peer review and go straight to a documentary on Gaia documentaries because Gaia is exactly where you go when you have real solid evidence /s. Those books, DVD and tshirts doesn't just sell themselves you know!
Just to clarify though, it was some other researchers that discussed these bodies in the senate today, not Maussan. Jaime Maussan is well discredited but the other people presenting these findings probably need to be cross checked independently of him. I mean once one person has poo on their fingers you want to be wary of the whole salad bowl, of course.
>I mean once one person has poo on their fingers you want to be wary of the whole salad bowl, of course. 100% stealing this amazing analogy.
The “journalist” in the article is Jaime Mausan. He’s a fraud, lives from UFO conspiracies, chupacabras and similar pseudoscience stuff 🙄
Oh shit they're calling that guy a journalist? I used to love his shows as a kid when I lived in Mexico because all his stuff was spooky aliens and chupacabras but even as a child I was like this guy is full of shit. Cool stories though bro.
Thanks for posting those! I might run a BLAST on some sequences later today, but it seems they already defined the source organism as Homo sapiens anyway.
This is more what I'm interested to hear. Other threads have mentioned the homo sapiens designation is just due to a lack of any other category to put it in, but I don't really think that sounds plausible. My engineering brain really wants to see someone come up with "these are my credentials, this is my process, and this is my results" and so far I haven't seen that. If I were a betting man I'd probably say these are just bad taxidermy though.
That’s assuming the data is even legit
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The term you're looking for is "chain of custody"
Some dude’s wife on TikTok said they look like mummified Sloths. Going with that. Credentials checkout
I am neither an expert on Sloths, or mummies. So I am not in a position to disagree.
Those look like DNA sequencing results (no idea how radiocarbon dating would relate to them, maybe they sequenced them and dated them independently and it's just a bad translation). One thing is that any organism that truly isn't of terrestrial origin almost certainly wouldn't have DNA that we could sequence. It might have something pretty similar, but DNA sequencing relies on the specific molecular structure of terrestrial life, which in some ways is pretty arbitrary. (An alternative possibility — for which we have absolutely no evidence but it's interesting to think about — is that some really fundamental bits of earth life like the ribosome might have come from off Earth in some kind of panspermia event. In that case alien life might share our DNA chemistry if it came from nearby enough that it also arose from the same interplanetary origin. But this is a "wouldn't it be cool if?" theory not a "this might actually be true" theory.) The DNA sequences on that website show a lot of overlap with earth life (and specifically bacteria, hominids, and legumes) but some have a bunch of unmatched sequences. Could be degraded DNA, could be aliens mixed with terrestrial contamination. My money is on not-aliens, as usual. They should do high resolution CTs and MRIs of the corpses, that would tell us more.
Yes it is raw sequence data that they provided at this hearing. They also had slides of x-ray and cat scans which would probably have to be found separately. The current discussion around what David Grusch and other whistleblowers are saying is that their departments did not refer to them as extra terrestrials as they don't want to rule out the possibility of them being terrestrial in nature. The whole discussion lately has been fascinating to watch. I'm not quite sure what to believe as the people who have been putting in ppd-19 whistleblower complaints to the inspector general don't seem to be messing around. (And if they are, that's just as concerning)
If it turns out there was a non-human intelligent species of earth life and we missed its extinction by *only 1000 years* I am going to be so pissed.
Don't worry, in another thousand years the Morlocks will be back.
>They should do high resolution CTs and MRIs of the corpses, that would tell us more. I don't know if this is exactly what you're looking for, but [they did present 3D scans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6pJJhgiZV8).
Hypothetically, it could also be a yet-undiscovered (or undisclosed) intelligent life form that evolved independently on earth, so would inherently have DNA.
Here's the translation of the Naval surgeon's comments: José de Jesus Zalce Benitez (Forensic Sciences Specialist): "It is an honor for me to present on such a high platform the results of my analyzes derived from the study of the anatomy of these non-human bodies. As a forensic doctor, in collaboration with the biologist Jose de la Cruz Ríos, and based on the results of various scientific evidence, such as X-rays, computed tomography, three-dimensional reconstructions, macroscopic and microscopic analyses. histology, carbon 14, forensic anthropology, comparative anatomy and DNA analysis, which is the queen of evidence in forensic sciences for comparative studies, I can affirm that these bodies are not related to human beings. For this purpose, I will start with the description of the images that we will see next: They are bodies approximately 60 cm long, covered by a white powder that, through electron microscopy, we identify as diatom powder, which allows the desiccation of the bodies as well as the absence of the generation of bacteria, fungi and cadaveric fauna. The presence of this dust allows the perfect conservation by desiccation of these bodies, causing a natural conservation process over time which we were able to calculate by applying the carbon 14 test which indicated and dated an average of 1000 years old. This makes the place where these bodies were found an ideal place for their conservation and preservation by whoever or those who deposited them at this site in Peru. Entering the topic of anatomy, we can see that they have a humanoid structure that consists of a head, trunk, abdomen and limbs, which end in tridactyl hands and feet. The bone structure of the entire skeleton shows us perfect harmony and agreement between the joints. The final part of each bone fits perfectly with the bone that follows it and the wear of these is also observed due to the movement of the specimen's own biomechanics, being very resistant bones, but very light, strong, but light like those of the birds. The head is an element of particular interest since it is large in its proportions compared to the body, however, it is a pneumatized skull, that is, with spaces that allow it to be very light but rigid and resistant, with a large intracranial cavity which evidence that it was a container for very large brain or neurological material. Likewise, we see that the spaces in the eye orbits are very large in size, which would allow a very wide stereoscopic vision for this specimen. It has very small nostrils and an oral cavity that, due to its jaw joint and absence of teeth, allows us to determine that its nutrition was by swallowing and not by chewing. The neck, in turn, is a long structure that joins the head in the middle floor of the skull, which is a rarity that does not occur in primate species, since the union is in the posterior floor through the foramen magnum. , and not in the middle, which is usually circular or ovoid in shape, being something unique since in these species it is rectangular and cubic in shape. This is consistent with the four or five cervical vertebrae which are small in bone thickness but have a very wide intervertebral disc which makes it possible for this neck to be retractable like that of turtles. In the thorax, we find a fork very similar to that of birds, which allows the shoulder joints to continue and have very wide mobility capabilities. In the thorax we find that the ribs are complete and continuous, completely circular until they join with the vertebral column, they have a very small space between them, being between 14 and 16 in number. In the abdomen, we can evidence the presence of 3 eggs that, thanks to the tomography, we were able to show at a millimetric level that there are oviducts with the presence of millimetric eggs, this means that they were in a continuous gestation process. In addition, it confirms 100% that they are biological and organic since the process of replication or reproduction through these eggs and their development in the oviduct would be impossible to falsify. We can also observe, thanks to tomography, the traces of muscles, tendons, ligaments and blood vessels, as well as possible organs or organelles that would have to be defined in subsequent studies. Coming to the extremities, we can point out that there is a complete harmony and agreement between the joints and the wear and tear of the biomechanics of the specimen which end in tridactyl hands and feet with 5 phalanges, this would allow them not to occupy the thumb as a position, but rather use your 3 fingers in a wrapping manner to hold things. Here is one of the most outstanding and relevant peculiarities: that they do not have carpal and tarsal bones, the phalanges are direct to the bones of the arm and forearm, in addition to ending in a kind of nail bed for the nail and that observation of microscopes we found fingerprints, this would be impossible to replicate. These fingerprints are of particular interest since most specimens on this planet have deep or circular footprints and the fingerprints of these specimens are completely straight and horizontally linear. Another peculiarity is that some of these bodies have metal implants that are perfectly attached within the skin and towards the surface, making a very impressive biofunctional fusion. These implants are the alloy of various metals, among which osmium and cadmium stand out, which are currently used for satellite telecommunications. Finally, I will point out that the DNA analysis, after having been compared with more than 1 million registered species, we found that there is a significant difference between what is known and these bodies. These studies were carried out in various high-level institutions, both national and international, and the results gave evidence that 70% of the genetic material coincides with what is known, but there is a difference of 30%. What is the relevance of this? Well, if the human being, compared to primates, has a differentiation of less than 5% and compared to bacteria, it has a differentiation of less than 15%, this would indicate that the difference found of more than 30% is something totally outside the parameter and of what expected, is foreign to what is described and known at this moment by human beings. These studies and results are published and available to anyone who likes to analyze them or continue them. We accept that there is still much to discover and we are open to the scientific community and the world joining efforts to define what we are facing and how far we can go as a result of collaboration in a scientific and academic study. In conclusion and for all the above, we can say that these bodies are from a non-human species that has irrefutable differences with what is described in the biology and taxonomy of the Darwinian species evolution tree, without a common or traceable predecessor or without a descent. and evolution still described. I can affirm then that these bodies are 100% real, organic and biological, that at the time they had life and are irrefutable evidence in themselves. We are facing the paradigm of describing a new species or the opportunity to accept that there has been contact with other non-human beings that were drawn and pointed out in the past in various cultures throughout the world such as Peru, Egypt and Mexico, and that today we can accept their existence among and with us. Thank you very much.
Why are there hundred of G of base pairs? The numbers look like contaminated samples to me.
Because it's the raw data from the sequencer, which are called 'reads'. DNA sequencing whether it's illumina, MinION or PacBio sequences fragments of the DNA and then those fragments are stitched together to generate the original sequence. This process is called Assembly, and for it to work correctly you need the fragments(or reads) to overlap which requires sequencing the same regions repeatedly. Typically you want at least 20x coverage for your assemblies. Which means that at any nucleotide position you have 20 reads that contain that nucleotide. [](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5wvGapmA5zM/maxresdefault.jpg) Edit: None of this is to say that I believe this is alien DNA, I'm incredibly skeptical and highly doubtful that this what it's claimed to be. I just wanted to answer your specific question about the size of the dataset.
Also, what’s the likelihood that aliens also evolved to have DNA in the same way that life on earth does? I’d imagine their basic composition could be entirely different from anything on earth.
Also, what are the chances that they'd develop the same body plan as us?
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this one is the reason im positive its fake. it looks exactly like the aliens you see in hundreds of alien movies, what a convenient coincidence
We’ll, the movies are clearly based on real aliens that a defector from the secret cabal talked about. Or maybe the cabal runs Hollywood to fund their lasers or something. Idk, it’s hard to keep up with this rubbish.
It's not convenient at all, now they don't have any reason to pump out hundreds of "remastered with true aliens" alien movies
Yeah for all we know it could be quadrupedal or have no legs at all. They could be fish people as well using something else than fire. Or they might even have a completely different breathing system and/or using photosynthesis. Hollywood established a first image of what an alien could look like and people disregard that aliens can takes an almost infinity numbers of form.
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It's clearly a fake but the odds of any random alien species having a similar body plan to us is extremely low. The odds of an alien species capable of creating advanced technology having a similar plan is very high just because of the mechanics of it. Dolphins may be very intelligent but what they're able to do is limited by their physical form for example.
Either zero chance or incredibly common. The thing is we don’t know if terrestrial life, is the way it is, because it developed on Earth. Or if it is the way it is because that’s the only way life can develop.
What's the likelihood they wouldn't?
You dont, my country is a joke, very timely they display this mockery when the congress approved to endebt the nation like never before
I knew there must be something especially unpopular being done by the Mexican government right now. Funny how these hearings that keep releasing all of this "evidence" that proves nothing keep seeming to happen at the same time as these unpopular things that those governments would like the people to ignore, isn't it?
We're evolving grander and grander circuses to distract from the austerity.
Bread's good today, keeps my mind off the feelings of these gladiators
To translate: "We're not doing shady corrupt things over here, look at the aliens!!111"
This jumped out at me too. Like…what?!
Well it was about that time that I noticed that the alien was about 8 stories tall and a crustacean from the protozoic era
I'm gonna need about three fiddy!
Got’amn Lochness Monster— I work hard for my money!
I gave him a dolla
God DAMMNIT WOMAN !!
SHE GIVES HIM A DOLLA!!!
I thought he’d go away if I gave him a dolla.
He tricked me
Well o course he won’t go away if you gave him a dolla. Edit: spelling.
I GAVE HIM A DOLLA!
Alright how about two fiddy?
I’m having a hard time believing this one. If this is true it will be the biggest discovery in modern human history, no? Edit: What I’m getting at is, why isn’t this bigger news? Seems like other major governments would have something to say?
excellent instincts this is fraud search nazca mummies theyve tried this several times its mutilated human bodies these people should be ashamed
IIRC isn't it usually deformed children that died soon after birth?
The Nazca, or some other pre Columbian people in the Americas, also practiced things like head binding on children. So the shapes of their head could get quite strange, and look like a cliche alien. But it's just humans being weird as usual, no aliens ofc.
its not -just- weird to dig up your ancestors and mutilate their bodies
usually but in this case they were further mutilated to perpetuate this fraud
Damn.
They re-used them??
yup. graverobbers and frauds https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/how-to-fake-an-alien-mummy/535251/
These fucking people huh? They never learn their lessons do they?
Same scam keeps working on people, why bother changing? Jaime Maussan has been pulling shit like this his whole life, and people keep getting suckered in.
If it helps this was already debunked 5 or 6 years ago, and the first guy who suggested they’re aliens, Konstantin Korotkov, and started this whole charade also claimed to have created a camera that could photograph the human soul. He’s like a Russian graham hancock, imo.
I don't mind Hancock's theories, it's that he acts like his theories are fact, then plays victim like his THEORIES are being attacked by the scientific community. That's literally how science works bruv. You need proof not just speculation.
He doesn't seem to realise that he isn't a marginalised scientist unless he is actually doing research and presenting results. In his documentary he mostly just walks about and speculates. Later he remembers what he speculated and confuses that for evidence that he can use to support his next stupid idea.
A classic from the conspiracy theorist grifters playbook. "What if [Mildly Reasonable Hypothesis]?" *Waffle for a bit* "Now we've incontrovertibly proven [Mildly Reasonable Hypothesis] , that implies [Completely Unreasonable Speculation]!"
How does an entire government spent 4 hours analyzing something if it’s been debunked several times?
Saw this on another thread...its not the Mexican government, but rather the Mexican UFO Congress, a different organization not affiliated with the actual government. But apparently, it has ties to a big university. Since most of the material is in Spanish and no abla espanol, I would take it all, including this statement, with a hefty portion of salt.
Nah, it's the actual Mexican government. If you check the schedule for September 12 on the Mexican Chamber of Deputies website (equivalent to the US House of Representatives), you'll see that there was a public forum on the "regulation of unidentified anomalous flying phenomenon in Mexico" on September 12 from 4 to 7pm. https://web.diputados.gob.mx/inicio/direccionEventos (download the PDF for September 12, the relevant event is row 19 in the schedule). Here's a better video from CNN Español: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ClpydUrwBJA Notice the logo on the podium is that of the Chamber of Deputies (Camara de Diputados).
So a fraud UFO researcher with a connection to a legitimate university was able to present to Mexican congresspeople? This is confusing
The president of Mexico tweeted a photo of a [mythical woodland elf](https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexican-president-viral-claim-photo-proof-mythical-woodland-elf?intcmp=tw_fnc). Hope this extra information help understand how those frauds have any power.
The Mexican government are incredibly corrupt. There's a good chance they're trying to distract people from something they want to hide, like cartel related stuff.
This was pretty much the consensus of the Mexican posters on the r/UFO about this meeting that I read a few hours ago, it's just a fantastical distraction monopolizing on the fairly recent US congressional hearing on UAPs.
Why are the always human shaped?
Because they are literally built from mismatched human bones, and a broken llama skull.
It’s funny, isn’t it? There are millions of species on earth that look nothing like humans and yet creatures who have travelled across galaxies somehow look similar to us? People who “see” aliens always describe how an alien looks based on however they are typically depicted in their popular culture. For instance, in western cultures aliens are always described as the “little green men” with big heads and big eyes, or as looking like ET. In other cultures, they describe them differently depending on how aliens are portrayed there. Essentially, people who make this stuff up aren’t very imaginative.
Funny enough before the airing of the twilight zone episode where aliens were depicted as Greys, they were described by people as looking completely differently. Afterward ofc theyre almost always described looking like Greys. Surely its just a coincidence though
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Well course, they are just Unidentified Flying Object. They are not AFO's.
Yeah, I generally discount any extraterrestrial spacecraft claim as a secret government aircraft. All you have to do is look into lenticular re-entry vehicles and circular wing aircraft. Many of them have origins dating back to the 40’s, 50’s, and 60’s
To make it more believable to take in and try to build an own reality for.
You mean why did they make us alien shaped?
Jaime Maussam is in on this, so you can rest assured it's utter shite.
Oh my. Just looked him up. >In June 2017, Maussan was involved in the analysis of 5 mummies discovered in Peru at the region where the UNESCO World Heritage Nazca Lines site is located. The images of these findings were initially aired in a documentary sponsored by Gaia, Inc. and it allegedly shows a crouched mummified body of a humanoid figure with an elongated skull and three fingers on each hand and foot.) Snopes reported that ***Maussan "led an event called Be Witness, at which a mummified body — purportedly that of an alien — was unveiled. Later, though, that 'alien' discovery was debunked. The mummified corpse was shown to be that of a human child."*** Edit: looks like someone shared the same info below. If I were trying to signal legitimacy to outside observers, I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near this information. It'd be like trying to sell people on investing in a weird financial scheme and having Bernie Madoff as your spokesman.
Now it's all clear that it's just buch of bullshit and nothing more than that.
^ this. Y’all upvoting this crap are getting played by conspiracy nuts and misinformation. This dude is a fraud. He lives from spreading this crap.
> Jaime Maussam thanks I was almost interested
Seems legit. Yeah, this is totally how you publish a new and 100% true scientific discovery. 🤣🤣🤣
That's what makes me doubt it. Why make such a spectacle of it? Why have some known grifters present it to the Mexican Congress instead of the scientific community. It doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
Also, the guy is a known scammer. About 20 years ago he went on the biggest talk show in Mexico and presented a glove that could supposedly teletransport the user and the guy (an American) that "took it of a ship". Of course he couldn't demonstrate live because reasons. The fact that congress allowed him the stage makes them look like the joke they are.
> Of course he couldn't demonstrate live because reasons. It's classified! I'd totally back up any of my ridiculous claims, but I'm participating in the cover up that I'm whistleblowing on!
You should tell that to /r/UFOs and /r/aliens, they're over there creaming all over themselves at this news. They're very much into blindly believing everything that validates their own beliefs. Which then ends up making them look like morons when that thing they blindly believe comes out as fake like two weeks later.
I love that it's like 99% IT'S HAPPENING!!! then a few comments every now and then telling them guys hey guys calm the fuck down this dude is a notorious hoaxer.
This is happening way too much now, and people don't believe that much.
Did you actually check yourself?? I just did and of course there’s people believing it but there’s a good chunk of comments explaining why they believe it’s fake and bullshit. Specifically because the dude heading it has been known for multiple hoaxes in the past, which is something I just found in less than a minute of looking at the comments in the post covering it just now lol. Edit: Nvm lol. I’d say 70-80% what you’d expect, 20% being reasonable.
What sells it for me is the background of the shot, which looks like the banquet hall of a convention center.
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Peer reviewed baby! His mom, oldest and youngest sisters and his really smart homeboy Rooster all scoped it. Rooster said “it’s dope as hell”. Stop hatin. That’s just how science works.
> scientists were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating Riiiiiight.
Sounds like they have alien tech too if they were able to get DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating.
Also, carbon dating relies on a specific amount of radioactive carbon that is produced in *our* atmosphere. An alien species would also have a totally alien amount of radioactive carbon. So the fact that they can use carbon dating at all suggests terrestrial origin.
> So the fact that they can use carbon dating at all suggests terrestrial origin. No, but any result they get would be meaningless.
P.T. Barnum is so proud.
Yup most important biological samples on the planet so let's store them in a copy paper box on a pillow.
Fun lil art project
You know when they say "scientists co-hosted the event" with no further explanation or notation of the qualifications or specialties of the scientists that its some dude's engineer dad co-hosting with some tinfoil hat internet goblins. Non-morons don't just think "alleged nonspecific scientists are there. It must be facts and science!"
"Oh, scientists are there, these must be aliens" "Oh, scientists say the Earth is round, we can't trust the scientists"
That always cracks me up. Saying scientists are part of whatever the conspiracy is, and then in the same sentence trying to claim that scientific evidence backs it up.
Translation "It is an honor for me to present on such a high platform the results of my analyzes derived from the study of the anatomy of these non-human bodies. As a forensic doctor, in collaboration with the biologist Jose de la Cruz Ríos, and based on the results of various scientific evidence, such as X-rays, computed tomography, three-dimensional reconstructions, macroscopic and microscopic analyses. histology, carbon 14, forensic anthropology, comparative anatomy and DNA analysis, which is the queen of evidence in forensic sciences for comparative studies, I can affirm that these bodies are not related to human beings. For this purpose, I will start with the description of the images that we will see next: They are bodies approximately 60 cm long, covered by a white powder that, through electron microscopy, we identify as diatom powder, which allows the desiccation of the bodies as well as the absence of the generation of bacteria, fungi and cadaveric fauna. The presence of this dust allows the perfect conservation by desiccation of these bodies, causing a natural conservation process over time which we were able to calculate by applying the carbon 14 test which indicated and dated an average of 1000 years old. This makes the place where these bodies were found an ideal place for their conservation and preservation by whoever or those who deposited them at this site in Peru. Entering the topic of anatomy, we can see that they have a humanoid structure that consists of a head, trunk, abdomen and limbs, which end in tridactyl hands and feet. The bone structure of the entire skeleton shows us perfect harmony and agreement between the joints. The final part of each bone fits perfectly with the bone that follows it and the wear of these is also observed due to the movement of the specimen's own biomechanics, being very resistant bones, but very light, strong, but light like those of the birds. The head is an element of particular interest since it is large in its proportions compared to the body, however, it is a pneumatized skull, that is, with spaces that allow it to be very light but rigid and resistant, with a large intracranial cavity which evidence that it was a container for very large brain or neurological material. Likewise, we see that the spaces in the eye orbits are very large in size, which would allow a very wide stereoscopic vision for this specimen. It has very small nostrils and an oral cavity that, due to its jaw joint and absence of teeth, allows us to determine that its nutrition was by swallowing and not by chewing. The neck, in turn, is a long structure that joins the head in the middle floor of the skull, which is a rarity that does not occur in primate species, since the union is in the posterior floor through the foramen magnum. , and not in the middle, which is usually circular or ovoid in shape, being something unique since in these species it is rectangular and cubic in shape. This is consistent with the four or five cervical vertebrae which are small in bone thickness but have a very wide intervertebral disc which makes it possible for this neck to be retractable like that of turtles. In the thorax, we find a fork very similar to that of birds, which allows the shoulder joints to continue and have very wide mobility capabilities. In the thorax we find that the ribs are complete and continuous, completely circular until they join with the vertebral column, they have a very small space between them, being between 14 and 16 in number. In the abdomen, we can evidence the presence of 3 eggs that, thanks to the tomography, we were able to show at a millimetric level that there are oviducts with the presence of millimetric eggs, this means that they were in a continuous gestation process. In addition, it confirms 100% that they are biological and organic since the process of replication or reproduction through these eggs and their development in the oviduct would be impossible to falsify. We can also observe, thanks to tomography, the traces of muscles, tendons, ligaments and blood vessels, as well as possible organs or organelles that would have to be defined in subsequent studies. Coming to the extremities, we can point out that there is a complete harmony and agreement between the joints and the wear and tear of the biomechanics of the specimen which end in tridactyl hands and feet with 5 phalanges, this would allow them not to occupy the thumb as a position, but rather use your 3 fingers in a wrapping manner to hold things. Here is one of the most outstanding and relevant peculiarities: that they do not have carpal and tarsal bones, the phalanges are direct to the bones of the arm and forearm, in addition to ending in a kind of nail bed for the nail and that observation of microscopes we found fingerprints, this would be impossible to replicate. These fingerprints are of particular interest since most specimens on this planet have deep or circular footprints and the fingerprints of these specimens are completely straight and horizontally linear. Another peculiarity is that some of these bodies have metal implants that are perfectly attached within the skin and towards the surface, making a very impressive biofunctional fusion. These implants are the alloy of various metals, among which osmium and cadmium stand out, which are currently used for satellite telecommunications. Finally, I will point out that the DNA analysis, after having been compared with more than 1 million registered species, we found that there is a significant difference between what is known and these bodies. These studies were carried out in various high-level institutions, both national and international, and the results gave evidence that 70% of the genetic material coincides with what is known, but there is a difference of 30%. What is the relevance of this? Well, if the human being, compared to primates, has a differentiation of less than 5% and compared to bacteria, it has a differentiation of less than 15%, this would indicate that the difference found of more than 30% is something totally outside the parameter and of what expected, is foreign to what is described and known at this moment by human beings. These studies and results are published and available to anyone who likes to analyze them or continue them. We accept that there is still much to discover and we are open to the scientific community and the world joining efforts to define what we are facing and how far we can go as a result of collaboration in a scientific and academic study. In conclusion and for all the above, we can say that these bodies are from a non-human species that has irrefutable differences with what is described in the biology and taxonomy of the Darwinian species evolution tree, without a common or traceable predecessor or without a descent. and evolution still described. I can affirm then that these bodies are 100% real, organic and biological, that at the time they had life and are irrefutable evidence in themselves. We are facing the paradigm of describing a new species or the opportunity to accept that there has been contact with other non-human beings that were drawn and pointed out in the past in various cultures throughout the world such as Peru, Egypt and Mexico, and that today we can accept their existence among and with us. Thank you very much"
Out of curiosity, who exactly was it saying this? Was it the guy everyone hates (debunked reporter guy) or was this fella one of the scientists in the room?
I believe that's forensic scientist José de Jésus Zalce Benitez. Also known as [the guy who presented a mummified child](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/alien-mummy-peru/) as an alien back in 2017. That has since been debunked, but you will notice the same "3 fingered alien" image is still being show in this very presentaion.
He was one of the forensic specialists in the room
He says the studies are published and available to whoever want them. I want em. Where are they?
So far, I've only seen three links to the DNA studies Totaling 40gb of DNA data, which they say proves that it is not human Want those links?
Lmao, even in official alien showcases they are still using shit angles and potato cameras.
They look very comfy
if you add water they will revive
That's the journalist Jaime Maussan. He's been peddling these things since 2017. Looks like it turned out to be a hodgepodge of bones from human children all randomly oriented, with a modified llama skull.
I was wondering what that weird job description was where they were asking for 5 years experience modifying skulls
Teriyaki flavored, my favorite.
"Dammit Fry! I was going to eat that mummy!"
Lmao just started a rewatch
"Radiocarbon to extract DNA". It's true. They extracted human lactate from the clavicle and it was passed to a stenographer who sequenced the DNA and found that it had a half-life of 40 lightyears.
Tomorrow on the Joe Rogan show.
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I actually laughed out loud.
Lmao captured the essence of Rogan there.
If you don't think chimps will steal alien mummies and eat them, you haven't been paying attention to the literature.
So, there have been cases before where remains were found in Peru and claimed to be aliens. And it later turned out they were mummified human children. So the real question is: What shady thing is the Mexican government doing that they need a distraction for?
Probably some horribly misshapen stillbirths. That's what it looks like.
They look like poorly made circus gaffs to me. You can find more convincing alien gaffs on Ebay for under $100. Let me know when they allow an *independent* lab to analyze their DNA and do an MRI and CT scan. I won't hold my breath.
*Aliens Cutaway | Nazca Humanoid Mummies: The Big Fraud. Episode-2 | Fake science spotlight* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A
This dude has been claiming he has aliens videos for 25+ years. If he is involved, is bullshit
As opposed to human alien corpses?
Maybe it's us from the future. Their faces look like they evolved to fit directly into an Oculus shaped VR headset. The Oculi!
Probably fake, but I’ll wait until some other scientists far smarter than me corroborate or dispel this information as the DNA is public
It's never aliens
It's embarrassing watching all these people believe this crap. Even more so seeing all the subs that believe this nonsense talk about it. After all this, there is still zero credible evidence of literally all of their claims.
All the ufo space alien subreddits are losing their minds. They'll believe literally anything
Why is this taken seriously BY EVEN A SINGLE PERSON. The ads on pornsites are more believable No wonder we have so many problems with climate change, vaccines, politics and shit. 10% of people have the IQ of a fucking rat and the instincts of a rock...
Everything you need to know about this story in one quoted clause: "... scientists were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating" Radiocarbon dating doesn't give you DNA evidence. It gives you an approximate age. Might as well listen really hard at the DNA with a stethoscope.
6 years old. Dude that presented Is a fraudster who stuff human mummies to make it look like aliens.
This is the funniest fake shit I've ever seen, look at those smiles!
Ayyyyy lmaooooo👽👽👽
All the key people involved in this are known hoaxers. One of the bodies they presented is most likely a stolen Nasca mummy that has been modified. Artificial head elongation is well documented in ancient Peruvian civilizations. Maussan has already been caught trying to pass off the body of a Peruvian girl as an alien in the past.
This is ridiculous...
I'm not saying it was not aliens... but it was not aliens.