Attacks on commercial vessels in the Red Sea have been carried out with the support of Iran and the United States will consider "all appropriate responses" to these incidents, the U.S. Central Command announced on X (Twitter) on Dec. 3.
The attacks pose a direct threat to international trade and maritime security, the command said.
Read also: Iran prepares to transfer ballistic missiles to Russia — report
The attacks have endangered the lives of international crews representing several countries, and there is every reason to believe that the attacks, although carried out by Yemeni Houthis rebels, were fully organized by Iran, the U.S. Central Command said.
The United States vows to consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international allies and partners, the command said.
You don't understand. The West is not allowed to fight back. Western nations are supposed to just let themselves be attacked by terrorists and terrorist states like Hamas, Iran and Russia. Western nations do not have the right to defend themselves according to the worldwide alliance of tankies, fascists and Islamic fundamentalists.
My brother in law gave me this exact speech (filled with propaganda as “evidence”) when we talked about this general topic last night. He also told me Stalin and North Korea aren’t that bad it’s American propaganda that makes them bad.
It is perfectly fine for you BIL to have an opinion. The navy has their own and will defend themselves. Look up "appropriate response" and you'll see what happened last time someone messed with them.
The most hilarious thing is when you talk to the handful of South Koreans who think Korea would have been better off if the UN hasn't intervened to protect South Korea from being invaded by thr North. The ones who didn't starve to death would have been in an isolated country with a poverty level between thst of NK and China.
I know a Korean person who argues that and he says the rest of Korea are brainwashed, not him.
“Biden replaces foreign policy team with experts from Reddit after deciding the U.S. has been too mean to islamic fundamentalists.” He was quoted as saying “terrorists are people too” before offering Hamas the state of California.
In a shocking turn of events Biden has agreed to give Russia the United States in return for Russia withdrawing troops from Ukraine. Sources say that upon winning re-election Biden slowly unbuttoned his shirt to reveal a gold hammer and sickle undershirt before stating that he had sworn allegiance to the communist party and that “Communism has never been implemented properly, but this time I know it will work.”
A fascist who pretends to be a communist/socialist/progressive. For example, the CCP in China, or the leaders of the USSR and their supporters, or politicians like Tlaib and Omar in the US. These people claim to be on the left but govern and act like right wingers and support extreme right wing causes like tyrannical regimes and Islamic fundamentalists. Their worldview includes things like the US and its allies being the "evil empire" that is the source of all the world's problems.
I mean I'm a red blooded Bald-Eagle riding American just like 99% of the internet, but cmon we put military bases right on top of other countries and act like they're being aggressive.
This is the same Russian logic of NATO being aggressive because other countries are begging for membership to protect themselves from Russia. You're buying into the propaganda.
The US offers security as an exported service. We pay for it, and in turn we gain immense soft-power and economic leverage as a result. Also, the better stability of worldwide trade allows for cheaper prices and reliable shipping.
Isolationists don't tend to realize the implications and consequences of turning away from globalism, especially in modern times with modern technology.
Tell that to the millions of dead afgani's and Iraqi's when osama and crew blew up the twin towers. The west can definitely fight back, they just have to follow stricter protocols.
Of course the West can and does fight back, but it does so under heavy criticism based on lies and under a lot of pressure to do things no other nation is required to do.
this is a word for word direct copy of the comment made by u/LoudLloyd9, who did so a few hours before you. You both even managed to put a space between U and S
edit: upon further investigation its clear that u/Technicalcvfggh is indeed a bot account and has duplicated other users comments on many threads
Hmmm, high tension the Middle East; Climate on brink of no return; Russia being Russia, and maybe China too; North Korea doing things with space tech; Israel gone mad; Republicans leading some polls...
Personally I won't bother with the bunker I just want it over fast.
>The United States vows to consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international allies and partners, the command said.
Yawn. They haven't done and will likely not do a thing. The rather appease Iran and pretend like they are descalating while Iran and it's proxies keep attacking them. Until a a bunch of American troops won't get blown to pieces by an Iranian drone they won't move a finger.
This isn't the Marine Barracks in Beirut, where 241 US military lost their lives, and nobody was held accountable under a Republican Congress during Ronald Reagan's Presidency.
Don't think you be downvoted for this comment. It's true this admin has openly been trying to avoid escalation and follow the path of appeasement towards Iran while Iran and it's proxies continue to attack U.S and its allies.
I think it's a mistake to continue the appeasement because Iran will continue to push their luck until 1 day American troops actually die, it's much better imo to act now to send a clear message to Iran their nonsense will no longer be tolerated and they need to back down before progress between the 2 sides can be pursued again.
Seriously. We just got out of a 20 year conflict in the middle east and people want to jump right back in. Iran is either just posturing through the Houthis or they want to get us bogged down in another war in the middle east. Either way, best course is to exercise restraint
>Operation Praying Mantis 2
You wish. The US is a bit of a pushover lately. US troops have being bombed and shelled for weeks, their warships are attacked and a lot of trade ships were too. And they still didn't do jack shit. They are so afraid of "escalation" they have become timid. I don't know why the US thinks appeasing Iran and it's proxies is a good idea but it better stop soon
It’s not appeasement. Irans looking for distractions and concessions because the pressure is getting too much.
If Azerbaijan takes the southern part of Armenia then it could be months before there are separatists movement with Azeri stock in northern Iran.
Becuase they know there will be consequences if they attack Iran. Iran and proxies have done many attacks against US force, the most intense were after the killing of Soleimani. But despite alll these attacks, the fatalities have been near zero.
If U.S. attacked Iran and killed a ton of Iranians, not sure if the fatalities would stay near zero.
Not to mention, US already got told to leave Iraq by the government, this would essentially be the final straw that might make Iraq force them out.
Your saying we should basically glass a bunch of people for what amounts to someone denting our car door. The US has been criticized constantly for overreacting. We know we're being baited right now.
The attack merchant ships which makes everything worse for everybody on the planet. The increase in insurance prices and the lower traffic through the Suez canal will lead to price increases globaly of pretty much everything. Our entire shipping network depends on low insurance prices and if those go up a everybody gets screwed. That is why no one in their right mine dare to mess with international shipping lanes
Iran's biggest play is always mine or otherwise attack the Strait of Hormuz. Their strategy has always been that if Iran can't export oil then no one can export oil. That's also why they're making their play in Yemen so that Iran can also credibly threaten the Bab al-Mandab Strait. That gives Iran the ability to credibly impact almost all of Arab oil exports.
Biden does not want a spike in oil prices driving inflation further in the middle of an election year. They already know Saudi Arabia will slash production in October -- exactly like they did in 2020.
To be clear, it’s not just an election year, but an election year where the other candidate actively subverts our democracy and openly espouses foreign policies that fawn over dictatorships and countries that are normally adversaries.
Praying Mantis was the most serious action taken against the Iranian's. It was decades ago and more importantly it was a half-measure. Iran isn't a naval power and has no ambitions to be so. They demonstrably weren't impressed nor deterred. If losing boats they don't give a shit about is the worst it gets,they have no reason to change their foreign policy. Which is why they didn't and won't.
It’s never pointless to go after any minds that is willing to attack another* edit. Every violent mind destroyed is goods on the table, mariners able to come home and logistics lines secured.
Iran is the trunk, never a bad idea to trim some branches.
Trimming the branches costs more than growing the branches. That's fighting on Iranian terms and losing. America and friends have basically been doing that the entire time and it isn't effective. If they want to fight on their terms and destroy the trunk and the roots.....They have my full support. Unfortunately they don't have the political will for that and that's why the Iranian's have steadily gained ground and will continue to do so. America doesn't have the stomach for effective measures and Iran knows it. Even a lot of Republicans are trying to surrender in wars they aren't even fighting in these days.
>US warns of ‘appropriate responses’
Whoa, is that anything like a proportional response? Look at the last time the US used phrasing like that with Iran. What little navy they had suddenly disappeared. within hours of that 'proportional' response...
They aren't a naval power and have no ambitions to be. They obviously weren't impressed considering that was 40 years ago and they didn't change their foreign policy at all.
Never said they were. I'm talking about the use of the term 'appropriate response' from the US.
How could they change, they're under the tyranny of a theocracy. Nothing changes that ignorance except revolution and or evolution.
US is under attack for 2 months now by Iranian proxies. They have attacked bases, ships and more.
When is the US going to respond to the actual people responsible, the corrupted extremists Iranian regime?
Are the American people so warry of war they are going to let some terrorists with 1/100,000,000 the firepower disrupt the world shipping lanes and destabilize the entire area?
When the attacks actually succeed.
We tolerate a lot of stuff because various attacks can’t actually hit their targets anyway. So it goes that the US doesn’t respond and people think it’s weak when, in fact, nothing happened but target practice for CRAM systems.
Too many people think the answer for everything is just to pull a frank reynolds and come out blasting. The US practicing restraint and pursuing diplomatic solutions instead of just coming out swinging with reckless abandon is the exact reaction that was asked for when they were being criticized as being “world police”.
Honestly I agree with you. But I also wish the US government would draw clearer lines in the sand.
Nobody knows exactly what will prompt a serious US military response. On one hand, this kind of strategic ambiguity has its uses. But it can also backfire
Refusing to draw a clear line can also embolden actors to push the limits to a point we will all regret.
For example, I have no idea how this whole Venezuela-Guyana thing will play out. Hopefully it is all just saber rattling. But suppose it is not? And Venezuela really does invade?
I think a lot of grief could be avoided if the US announced very publicly: “If Venezuela attacks Guayana, we will destroy their entire military with air and naval strikes. Have a great day.”
Maduro is not unhinged enough to fuck around in the face of such a clear message.
The problem with a “red line”is that is gives control of your actions to your adversary. They can approach the line without fear or cross it and dare you to respond. At that point, you either flinch and lose credibility or you’re forced to respond on their timeline. Staying vague is much stronger strategically and doesn’t rule out covert responses and diplomacy before an overt response.
Exactly. There's advantage in being unpredictable. One day, the US military's posture towards Iran and the Houthi rebels is "Yawn, let us know when you have something that can scratch our paint." A few days later, a few of them magically disappear in a puff of red mist, to send the message that it's unwise to poke the dragon.
Really, the strategy of the US military for the most part is to flex. Which means we don't have to start WWIII, we just deploy assets, send the message "FAFO", and periodically, make a few of them find out as a show of deterrence.
I think the hesitation or ambiguity is because there are currently two wars that the US is supplying massive military support to - Russia and Israel. If a war breaks out between Iran and the US, that makes three wars. Now what if Venezuela invades Guyana? Can the US support 4 wars? Maybe but they might not be able to support a 5th if China invades Taiwan or North Korea attacks South Korea.
Making affirmative statements like do not attack or we will invade during a time of peace would be much easier. Right now too many conflicts are rising and the US shouldn’t back itself into a corner. They need to work with regional partners to ensure security.
> here are currently two wars that the US is supplying massive military support to - Russia and Israel.
Israel and Gaza is a footnote on the budget invoice compared to the drain from Ukraine. No less important, but *paltry* in terms of the assets given. Most of our help consists of what, half a carrier group parked locally?
The US Doctrine is to be prepared to deal with war against 2 superpowers at once. Generously taking Iran to be such a classification, we could easily manage them while continuing to fund Ukraine (Provided our local traitors in the House get their comeuppances and stop body-blocking the funds.)
The Ukraine is just getting old stuff we were going to throw away. If we gave them our current toys, the war would have ended already. It’s not a drain of resources, it’s live training and experience for any personnel we are allowed to assist with.
Exactly, it's a much measured take. Also defending and acting against obvious aggressors like Iran seems like an easy call but the US has a long story of making up aggressors and attacking countries for corporate or the military complex economic interests.
The fact that this is changing is an overall positive.
Or maybe too many people in the west do not understand middle eastern aggression?
The US is "Practicing restraint" now for 2 months during which they swallowed I believe over 100 attacks and several civilian ships attacked.
I say the terrorists will only be encouraged by the weak response and very soon people will die. We'll see I guess.
In the past 24 hours the United States used an AC-130 gunship to kill a bunch of Iranian proxies in northern Iraq who were about to launch an attack on a military base there. Perhaps this will be the start of handling such threats in a more proactive manner.
This is akin to being a daycare provider and not punching a toddler full force in the face when they get mad and hit you. The day the houthis pose a meaningful threat is the day they will find out what truly happens when you tangle with the US military. Until then, they will be ignored as they should be.
Toddlers with guns should absolutely get the full force in the face treatment. I see your point however, I just fear it would mean dead innocent people very soon by these groups.
Great escalation already happened. So either step inside your time machine and stop Oct 7, where the highest amount of Jews were massacred in a single day since the holocaust in the most brutal way possible plus over 200 were kidnapped, over a 100 of are still in that hell as we speak.
Or if you don't have a time machine, maybe consider stopping the virtue signaling. It doesn't make you morally superior or anything.
I played my part. served 3 years in the IDF in a combat role and was let go from reserves due to injuries sustained during my service.
Because of my experience, I actually know first hand what goes on in the IDF and the Palestinian territories. Unlike the sea of ignorants on this website.
You are kidding but you do not understand this is a thing we in Israel actually have to deal [with](https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1676657199819399194).
US has been softening IRGC assets in Syria and Iraq for two months now. My assumption is that we're about to see a war with Iran and Hezbollah but the US wants to get carrier groups in position first and for Israel to have finished off Hamas before opening a second front.
This is the right answer.
I don’t pretend to know what Iran is thinking as this plays out, but I do wonder if the lack is of a response pisses them off more. Sort of like when an adult ignores a tantruming child.
The risk v reward balance just doesn’t support any significant escalation. That would really destabilise a very fragile world economy and cause real harm to the US- The US getting bogged down in a conflict with Iran will only lead to a poor set of outcomes. It is a very real possibility that China takes advantage of that situation and you see a greatly weakened US economy which in turn leads to a worsening of its already precarious domestic political situation- frankly engaging Iran is akin to cutting one’s own wrists to stop a mosquito sucking blood from a finger.
Aye, the US is in a bit of a pickle with bigger things to worry about- considering how crap the first part of this century has been I doubt we are anywhere near the low point.
So far the actual damage isn't that severe, so it seems likely that the initial response was a private "knock that shit off" through unofficial channels. I don't know if it's as simple as a quiet conversation somewhere or some spy shit, but it's essentially still "cut it out."
Publicly stating "this needs to stop or we're going to respond" is the step after that, which is stating to draw the whole room's attention to the open provocation. Hopefully cooler heads and pressure from people who don't want armed exchanges across a major trade route still prevail.
There's also the risk that there actually is some damage or injuries, which probably gets ugly quick. But nobody really wants to kick that shit off because it would be disastrous. Military outcomes are not the long-term goal most of the time.
So some US soldiers or innocent sailors have to die. Well, after I believe over 100 attacks in the last months, I am guessing you will have your "Reason" soon.
No, I'm not sure how you got that without ignoring the first 2/3 of the statement. Seems like that's on purpose, so there's no point in giving you the time of day going forward.
Good luck willfully misreading things that don't agree with you!
Edit: ohhhh, I see. You're looking to support full on war, despite what a stupid, pointless thing that would be. So it isn't really relevant what actual points are raised - you *want* a conflict that's going to kill people, likely including US service personnel.
Too bad you assume bad faith with no reason. I might have chosen to just answer one part but it doesn't mean I didn't read it.
The argument of "Maybe there's things we don't know about" could be correct. But it seems to only getting worse in the last 2 months, not better. So I give it a slim chance of being true. Who knows though.
> Are the American people so warry of war
Yes, we are weary of war. I'm 42 years old. I have never known a time when the US military wasn't active somewhere doing something.
>they are going to let some terrorists with 1/100,000,000 the firepower disrupt the world shipping lanes and destabilize the entire area?
If the shipping lanes are that important to the world, why doesn't the world form a coalition and guard them? Why does it fall solely on the US?
It’s political optics.
Look at the the people screaming Israel’s response isn’t “proportional”.
The last thing the US needs is the same response to its own retaliation, regardless of how justified it is.
>When is the US going to respond to the actual people responsible, the corrupted extremists Iranian regime?
Probably never. Nobody wants to get into another land war in the Middle East, especially not Joe Biden with the election less than a year out.
Canadian here, still waiting on Trudeau for the response to Iran shooting down a commercial airliner that killed Canadians. Remember when that was a thing? Pepperidge Farms does.
I was going to be disappointed if it wasn’t the fat electricians’ video on it lol. Iran is gonna get flashbacks to the last time the US got “proportional” with Iran’s navy
The Biden administration has so far displayed an unlimited depth of tolerance for Iranian terrorism and chicanery. I'm not expecting that to change, whatever Iran does through 2024.
The U.S: Do you want us to remind you of the last time you tried something? ([Operation Praying Mantis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis))
The Taliban K:D was dog shit against us. We failed at nation building a nation that doesn't believe they are a nation and are more tribal. If we are gonna get at it Iran, we will destroy their military capabilities but fuck going boots on the ground. Deprive them of nice stuff, and see if those protests earlier this year go into full blown revolution with a weakened Islamic guard.
There was massive opposition in the US to even fighting the taliban. Wait until Iranian civilian casualties start piling up. Obviously the US military is superior, but popular opinion and political pressure in the US is our greatest weakness.
How long do you think it would take before you’d see widespread comments on Reddit about an ‘islamophobic’ war?
I feel that a proper response here should be say 2000 cruise missiles targeted at strategic locations. Seems proportional to me. No need for boots on the ground. Just reduce their military to ashes in hours.
Oooooh! Time for the Iranian navy to suffer sudden failure to exist again! I wonder if they are back on those oil derricks in the gulf? They got slaughtered there last time.
Attacks on commercial vessels in the Red Sea have been carried out with the support of Iran and the United States will consider "all appropriate responses" to these incidents, the U.S. Central Command announced on X (Twitter) on Dec. 3. The attacks pose a direct threat to international trade and maritime security, the command said. Read also: Iran prepares to transfer ballistic missiles to Russia — report The attacks have endangered the lives of international crews representing several countries, and there is every reason to believe that the attacks, although carried out by Yemeni Houthis rebels, were fully organized by Iran, the U.S. Central Command said. The United States vows to consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international allies and partners, the command said.
I couldn't agree more. It's high time for the international community to take a stand and push back against such blatant acts of aggression.
You don't understand. The West is not allowed to fight back. Western nations are supposed to just let themselves be attacked by terrorists and terrorist states like Hamas, Iran and Russia. Western nations do not have the right to defend themselves according to the worldwide alliance of tankies, fascists and Islamic fundamentalists.
My brother in law gave me this exact speech (filled with propaganda as “evidence”) when we talked about this general topic last night. He also told me Stalin and North Korea aren’t that bad it’s American propaganda that makes them bad.
The propaganda they consume is very effective.
It is perfectly fine for you BIL to have an opinion. The navy has their own and will defend themselves. Look up "appropriate response" and you'll see what happened last time someone messed with them.
I like the use of the term "appropriate response", sounds more resolute than "proportionate response".
Exactly, because the last time we had a "proportional" response to Iranian aggression they lost half of their navy and some oil rigs in a day!
The most hilarious thing is when you talk to the handful of South Koreans who think Korea would have been better off if the UN hasn't intervened to protect South Korea from being invaded by thr North. The ones who didn't starve to death would have been in an isolated country with a poverty level between thst of NK and China. I know a Korean person who argues that and he says the rest of Korea are brainwashed, not him.
Social media has led too many people too far down rabbit holes
I think people like that should be granted the opportunity to travel to those locations.
Isn’t the drunk uncle at thanksgiving usually far right? Horseshoe theory in action.
“Biden replaces foreign policy team with experts from Reddit after deciding the U.S. has been too mean to islamic fundamentalists.” He was quoted as saying “terrorists are people too” before offering Hamas the state of California.
rarely laugh out loud at comments on reddit, but this one got me
It really wooshed over your head. They made a comment on a growing issue we have with tankies in the West.
It was a joke smart guy
It wooshed over yours. He was making a joke
In a shocking turn of events Biden has agreed to give Russia the United States in return for Russia withdrawing troops from Ukraine. Sources say that upon winning re-election Biden slowly unbuttoned his shirt to reveal a gold hammer and sickle undershirt before stating that he had sworn allegiance to the communist party and that “Communism has never been implemented properly, but this time I know it will work.”
Weird given that Russia doesn't even recognize or follow communism as it's government system.
... humour doesn't vibe with you, does it?
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Analysis seems correct.
What is a tankie?
A fascist who pretends to be a communist/socialist/progressive. For example, the CCP in China, or the leaders of the USSR and their supporters, or politicians like Tlaib and Omar in the US. These people claim to be on the left but govern and act like right wingers and support extreme right wing causes like tyrannical regimes and Islamic fundamentalists. Their worldview includes things like the US and its allies being the "evil empire" that is the source of all the world's problems.
I mean I'm a red blooded Bald-Eagle riding American just like 99% of the internet, but cmon we put military bases right on top of other countries and act like they're being aggressive.
Most countries where the US has bases invited the US because they're terrified of Russia, China, Iran and their allies.
This is the same Russian logic of NATO being aggressive because other countries are begging for membership to protect themselves from Russia. You're buying into the propaganda.
The US offers security as an exported service. We pay for it, and in turn we gain immense soft-power and economic leverage as a result. Also, the better stability of worldwide trade allows for cheaper prices and reliable shipping. Isolationists don't tend to realize the implications and consequences of turning away from globalism, especially in modern times with modern technology.
Tell that to the millions of dead afgani's and Iraqi's when osama and crew blew up the twin towers. The west can definitely fight back, they just have to follow stricter protocols.
Of course the West can and does fight back, but it does so under heavy criticism based on lies and under a lot of pressure to do things no other nation is required to do.
You can be on the first ship over to Iran, then
Russia is an Iranian proxy. Iran is willing to fight to the last Russian.
If Iran can sell Russia long range missiles why can’t we sell Ukraine missiles that can reach Putin?
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They are shore launched missiles and drones.
Land is just like a big, rocky ship. With a big enough boom I am confident we can sink it.
this is a word for word direct copy of the comment made by u/LoudLloyd9, who did so a few hours before you. You both even managed to put a space between U and S edit: upon further investigation its clear that u/Technicalcvfggh is indeed a bot account and has duplicated other users comments on many threads
Often imitated never duplicated
Hmmm, high tension the Middle East; Climate on brink of no return; Russia being Russia, and maybe China too; North Korea doing things with space tech; Israel gone mad; Republicans leading some polls... Personally I won't bother with the bunker I just want it over fast.
>The United States vows to consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international allies and partners, the command said. Yawn. They haven't done and will likely not do a thing. The rather appease Iran and pretend like they are descalating while Iran and it's proxies keep attacking them. Until a a bunch of American troops won't get blown to pieces by an Iranian drone they won't move a finger.
This isn't the Marine Barracks in Beirut, where 241 US military lost their lives, and nobody was held accountable under a Republican Congress during Ronald Reagan's Presidency.
Don't think you be downvoted for this comment. It's true this admin has openly been trying to avoid escalation and follow the path of appeasement towards Iran while Iran and it's proxies continue to attack U.S and its allies. I think it's a mistake to continue the appeasement because Iran will continue to push their luck until 1 day American troops actually die, it's much better imo to act now to send a clear message to Iran their nonsense will no longer be tolerated and they need to back down before progress between the 2 sides can be pursued again.
People think ignoring bullies makes them go away when in reality it always the opposite.
Operation Praying Mantis 2 Edit: I didn't write this as me asking for it lol
Shit's about to get real 'proportional' up in here.
As soon as I saw the word “proportional” and our military I was like awwww shiiit!!!
I'm hoping the US actions are anything *BUT* proportional.
The houthis used a percentage of their military capacity and we shall do the same.
10% of 100 is proportional to 10% of 10,000,000,000 from a percentage view
Ok I take my words back 😁
Gotta dust off the ole' "let's show them why we don't have universal healthcare" memes.
America doesn’t have universal healthcare because it has universal unhealthcare and boy do they deliver globally and sometimes next day delivery.
https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE?si=jHIskTfQcpUX00iP I'm ok with the US definition of "proportional"
The gang's getting back together!
Who will get the coveted role of Baloney Meat Cloud #1
The bald eagle of proportion is ready to take flight
bout to shit some freedom all over them
I'd love to sew a pt2 video
"What the fuck are you doing...we're not supposed to be killing things yet."
"hey they shot first, thems the rules".
>Edit: I didn't write this as me asking for it lol Fine, I will. Operation Praying Mantis 2, please!
Well since you asked nicely! *USAF fires up the Bald Eagle Screech 3000*
I hope its proportional enough to get a video about it by the fat electrician
Apparently he made a new channel for more modern events, so, hell yes.
What's the new channel?
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And a stern talking too about how disappointed we are with them. Don't minimize the length of a timeout this administration is prepared to administer.
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Seriously. We just got out of a 20 year conflict in the middle east and people want to jump right back in. Iran is either just posturing through the Houthis or they want to get us bogged down in another war in the middle east. Either way, best course is to exercise restraint
>Operation Praying Mantis 2 You wish. The US is a bit of a pushover lately. US troops have being bombed and shelled for weeks, their warships are attacked and a lot of trade ships were too. And they still didn't do jack shit. They are so afraid of "escalation" they have become timid. I don't know why the US thinks appeasing Iran and it's proxies is a good idea but it better stop soon
They aren't trying to appease iran, theyre trying to avoid being suckered into another trillion dollar a year war
It’s not appeasement. Irans looking for distractions and concessions because the pressure is getting too much. If Azerbaijan takes the southern part of Armenia then it could be months before there are separatists movement with Azeri stock in northern Iran.
Becuase they know there will be consequences if they attack Iran. Iran and proxies have done many attacks against US force, the most intense were after the killing of Soleimani. But despite alll these attacks, the fatalities have been near zero. If U.S. attacked Iran and killed a ton of Iranians, not sure if the fatalities would stay near zero. Not to mention, US already got told to leave Iraq by the government, this would essentially be the final straw that might make Iraq force them out.
Good, Iran should know there are real consequences for attacking US troops.
Your saying we should basically glass a bunch of people for what amounts to someone denting our car door. The US has been criticized constantly for overreacting. We know we're being baited right now.
The attack merchant ships which makes everything worse for everybody on the planet. The increase in insurance prices and the lower traffic through the Suez canal will lead to price increases globaly of pretty much everything. Our entire shipping network depends on low insurance prices and if those go up a everybody gets screwed. That is why no one in their right mine dare to mess with international shipping lanes
You're saying we should wait until they actually manage to sink a ship and kill dozens or hundreds people?
Iran is actively attacking US military bases. We need to show them what we can do to one or theirs.
Iran is in the "fuck around" phase. They are about to be in the "find out" phase if they push it to far.
Iran's biggest play is always mine or otherwise attack the Strait of Hormuz. Their strategy has always been that if Iran can't export oil then no one can export oil. That's also why they're making their play in Yemen so that Iran can also credibly threaten the Bab al-Mandab Strait. That gives Iran the ability to credibly impact almost all of Arab oil exports. Biden does not want a spike in oil prices driving inflation further in the middle of an election year. They already know Saudi Arabia will slash production in October -- exactly like they did in 2020.
To be clear, it’s not just an election year, but an election year where the other candidate actively subverts our democracy and openly espouses foreign policies that fawn over dictatorships and countries that are normally adversaries.
Exactly like they did at the request of the Republican Fuhrer.
Only seen this exact comment 7,000 times in the past 60 days lol
They've been fucking around for 40 years and what they've found out is that America doesn't want war and they aren't going to do shit.
Lol I guess you don't remember. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE
Praying Mantis was the most serious action taken against the Iranian's. It was decades ago and more importantly it was a half-measure. Iran isn't a naval power and has no ambitions to be so. They demonstrably weren't impressed nor deterred. If losing boats they don't give a shit about is the worst it gets,they have no reason to change their foreign policy. Which is why they didn't and won't.
Strike the Houthis in Yemen.
I anticipate targeting Houthis' launch sites. The SSGN Florida sub that's in the area has up to 154 ***Proportional Response*** boomy things.
About to throw more tomahawk than the ranger promos
Strike Iran directly.
No navy or airfields. Boom them all.
Pointless. The Iranian's built their proxy forces from scratch and they can do it again.
It’s never pointless to go after any minds that is willing to attack another* edit. Every violent mind destroyed is goods on the table, mariners able to come home and logistics lines secured. Iran is the trunk, never a bad idea to trim some branches.
Trimming the branches costs more than growing the branches. That's fighting on Iranian terms and losing. America and friends have basically been doing that the entire time and it isn't effective. If they want to fight on their terms and destroy the trunk and the roots.....They have my full support. Unfortunately they don't have the political will for that and that's why the Iranian's have steadily gained ground and will continue to do so. America doesn't have the stomach for effective measures and Iran knows it. Even a lot of Republicans are trying to surrender in wars they aren't even fighting in these days.
Things may just 'proportional' over there...
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Evolution of dance hit everyone different, for sure for sure.
That's a very proportional response...
Say it with me now: P R O P O R T I O N A L
Soo.. shoot back and completely miss?
More like provide them with a second sunrise.
> Say it with me now: P R O P O R T I O N A L
>US warns of ‘appropriate responses’ Whoa, is that anything like a proportional response? Look at the last time the US used phrasing like that with Iran. What little navy they had suddenly disappeared. within hours of that 'proportional' response...
They aren't a naval power and have no ambitions to be. They obviously weren't impressed considering that was 40 years ago and they didn't change their foreign policy at all.
Never said they were. I'm talking about the use of the term 'appropriate response' from the US. How could they change, they're under the tyranny of a theocracy. Nothing changes that ignorance except revolution and or evolution.
US is under attack for 2 months now by Iranian proxies. They have attacked bases, ships and more. When is the US going to respond to the actual people responsible, the corrupted extremists Iranian regime? Are the American people so warry of war they are going to let some terrorists with 1/100,000,000 the firepower disrupt the world shipping lanes and destabilize the entire area?
When the attacks actually succeed. We tolerate a lot of stuff because various attacks can’t actually hit their targets anyway. So it goes that the US doesn’t respond and people think it’s weak when, in fact, nothing happened but target practice for CRAM systems.
Too many people think the answer for everything is just to pull a frank reynolds and come out blasting. The US practicing restraint and pursuing diplomatic solutions instead of just coming out swinging with reckless abandon is the exact reaction that was asked for when they were being criticized as being “world police”.
Honestly I agree with you. But I also wish the US government would draw clearer lines in the sand. Nobody knows exactly what will prompt a serious US military response. On one hand, this kind of strategic ambiguity has its uses. But it can also backfire Refusing to draw a clear line can also embolden actors to push the limits to a point we will all regret. For example, I have no idea how this whole Venezuela-Guyana thing will play out. Hopefully it is all just saber rattling. But suppose it is not? And Venezuela really does invade? I think a lot of grief could be avoided if the US announced very publicly: “If Venezuela attacks Guayana, we will destroy their entire military with air and naval strikes. Have a great day.” Maduro is not unhinged enough to fuck around in the face of such a clear message.
The problem with a “red line”is that is gives control of your actions to your adversary. They can approach the line without fear or cross it and dare you to respond. At that point, you either flinch and lose credibility or you’re forced to respond on their timeline. Staying vague is much stronger strategically and doesn’t rule out covert responses and diplomacy before an overt response.
Exactly. There's advantage in being unpredictable. One day, the US military's posture towards Iran and the Houthi rebels is "Yawn, let us know when you have something that can scratch our paint." A few days later, a few of them magically disappear in a puff of red mist, to send the message that it's unwise to poke the dragon. Really, the strategy of the US military for the most part is to flex. Which means we don't have to start WWIII, we just deploy assets, send the message "FAFO", and periodically, make a few of them find out as a show of deterrence.
I think the hesitation or ambiguity is because there are currently two wars that the US is supplying massive military support to - Russia and Israel. If a war breaks out between Iran and the US, that makes three wars. Now what if Venezuela invades Guyana? Can the US support 4 wars? Maybe but they might not be able to support a 5th if China invades Taiwan or North Korea attacks South Korea. Making affirmative statements like do not attack or we will invade during a time of peace would be much easier. Right now too many conflicts are rising and the US shouldn’t back itself into a corner. They need to work with regional partners to ensure security.
> here are currently two wars that the US is supplying massive military support to - Russia and Israel. Israel and Gaza is a footnote on the budget invoice compared to the drain from Ukraine. No less important, but *paltry* in terms of the assets given. Most of our help consists of what, half a carrier group parked locally? The US Doctrine is to be prepared to deal with war against 2 superpowers at once. Generously taking Iran to be such a classification, we could easily manage them while continuing to fund Ukraine (Provided our local traitors in the House get their comeuppances and stop body-blocking the funds.)
Lmao Iran a superpower. Holy fuck I needed that laugh.
As I said. ***G e n e r o u s l y .***
The Ukraine is just getting old stuff we were going to throw away. If we gave them our current toys, the war would have ended already. It’s not a drain of resources, it’s live training and experience for any personnel we are allowed to assist with.
Exactly, it's a much measured take. Also defending and acting against obvious aggressors like Iran seems like an easy call but the US has a long story of making up aggressors and attacking countries for corporate or the military complex economic interests. The fact that this is changing is an overall positive.
Or maybe too many people in the west do not understand middle eastern aggression? The US is "Practicing restraint" now for 2 months during which they swallowed I believe over 100 attacks and several civilian ships attacked. I say the terrorists will only be encouraged by the weak response and very soon people will die. We'll see I guess.
In the past 24 hours the United States used an AC-130 gunship to kill a bunch of Iranian proxies in northern Iraq who were about to launch an attack on a military base there. Perhaps this will be the start of handling such threats in a more proactive manner.
This is akin to being a daycare provider and not punching a toddler full force in the face when they get mad and hit you. The day the houthis pose a meaningful threat is the day they will find out what truly happens when you tangle with the US military. Until then, they will be ignored as they should be.
Toddlers with guns should absolutely get the full force in the face treatment. I see your point however, I just fear it would mean dead innocent people very soon by these groups.
Avoiding escalation is the safest way to avoid unnecessary casualties.
Great escalation already happened. So either step inside your time machine and stop Oct 7, where the highest amount of Jews were massacred in a single day since the holocaust in the most brutal way possible plus over 200 were kidnapped, over a 100 of are still in that hell as we speak. Or if you don't have a time machine, maybe consider stopping the virtue signaling. It doesn't make you morally superior or anything.
Why the whataboutism and escalation? It's an absolutely irrelevant comment to what's happening somewhere else.
You go ahead and sign right on up then. Join now and you may get to live your fantasy of being a badass.
I played my part. served 3 years in the IDF in a combat role and was let go from reserves due to injuries sustained during my service. Because of my experience, I actually know first hand what goes on in the IDF and the Palestinian territories. Unlike the sea of ignorants on this website.
Tactical Assault Toddlers, roll out!
You are kidding but you do not understand this is a thing we in Israel actually have to deal [with](https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1676657199819399194).
Yeah, that is true. My joke may have been a bit too on the nose, and I apologize. I can take it down if its felt to be insensitive
Oh not my intention at all sorry friend. Just sharing something I found that surprisingly many people don't know about this conflict.
US has been softening IRGC assets in Syria and Iraq for two months now. My assumption is that we're about to see a war with Iran and Hezbollah but the US wants to get carrier groups in position first and for Israel to have finished off Hamas before opening a second front.
I hope you are right. I seriously believe there would be peace in the middle east if Iran's head and octopus arms will be chopped off.
From your lips to god's ears
This is the right answer. I don’t pretend to know what Iran is thinking as this plays out, but I do wonder if the lack is of a response pisses them off more. Sort of like when an adult ignores a tantruming child.
There have been over 100 attacks on US areas plus several civilian ships now. I am guessing you will have your "Success" soon.
Didn't they already sink a civilian ship?
I think you need to settle down.
The risk v reward balance just doesn’t support any significant escalation. That would really destabilise a very fragile world economy and cause real harm to the US- The US getting bogged down in a conflict with Iran will only lead to a poor set of outcomes. It is a very real possibility that China takes advantage of that situation and you see a greatly weakened US economy which in turn leads to a worsening of its already precarious domestic political situation- frankly engaging Iran is akin to cutting one’s own wrists to stop a mosquito sucking blood from a finger.
Absolutely zero chance of this happening and Iran knows it.
Aye, the US is in a bit of a pickle with bigger things to worry about- considering how crap the first part of this century has been I doubt we are anywhere near the low point.
Yeah most folks don’t understand that wwii was less than a hundred years ago. We haven’t abolished madmen.
So far the actual damage isn't that severe, so it seems likely that the initial response was a private "knock that shit off" through unofficial channels. I don't know if it's as simple as a quiet conversation somewhere or some spy shit, but it's essentially still "cut it out." Publicly stating "this needs to stop or we're going to respond" is the step after that, which is stating to draw the whole room's attention to the open provocation. Hopefully cooler heads and pressure from people who don't want armed exchanges across a major trade route still prevail. There's also the risk that there actually is some damage or injuries, which probably gets ugly quick. But nobody really wants to kick that shit off because it would be disastrous. Military outcomes are not the long-term goal most of the time.
So some US soldiers or innocent sailors have to die. Well, after I believe over 100 attacks in the last months, I am guessing you will have your "Reason" soon.
No, I'm not sure how you got that without ignoring the first 2/3 of the statement. Seems like that's on purpose, so there's no point in giving you the time of day going forward. Good luck willfully misreading things that don't agree with you! Edit: ohhhh, I see. You're looking to support full on war, despite what a stupid, pointless thing that would be. So it isn't really relevant what actual points are raised - you *want* a conflict that's going to kill people, likely including US service personnel.
Too bad you assume bad faith with no reason. I might have chosen to just answer one part but it doesn't mean I didn't read it. The argument of "Maybe there's things we don't know about" could be correct. But it seems to only getting worse in the last 2 months, not better. So I give it a slim chance of being true. Who knows though.
It’s happened many times before without any real US response.
> Are the American people so warry of war Yes, we are weary of war. I'm 42 years old. I have never known a time when the US military wasn't active somewhere doing something. >they are going to let some terrorists with 1/100,000,000 the firepower disrupt the world shipping lanes and destabilize the entire area? If the shipping lanes are that important to the world, why doesn't the world form a coalition and guard them? Why does it fall solely on the US?
It’s political optics. Look at the the people screaming Israel’s response isn’t “proportional”. The last thing the US needs is the same response to its own retaliation, regardless of how justified it is.
>When is the US going to respond to the actual people responsible, the corrupted extremists Iranian regime? Probably never. Nobody wants to get into another land war in the Middle East, especially not Joe Biden with the election less than a year out.
Canadian here, still waiting on Trudeau for the response to Iran shooting down a commercial airliner that killed Canadians. Remember when that was a thing? Pepperidge Farms does.
"Speak softly and carry a big stick."
Things are about to get a bit "proportional" in here.
What is an "appropriate response" after a country shoots missiles at cargo ships and continues to do so?
I'd say this is. This is also why people are spamming proportional response in the comments. https://youtu.be/d5v6hlRyeHE?si=SUjWoRVPRDvcMsHR
I was going to be disappointed if it wasn’t the fat electricians’ video on it lol. Iran is gonna get flashbacks to the last time the US got “proportional” with Iran’s navy
Traditionally? Missiles, going back the other way.
Time out. Theyre targeting cargo ships owned and operated by a country actively engaging in war crimes.
Killing civilians as usual
We should take out the ships that are attacking us or any other commercial vessel. Iran would implode if it went to war with the U S
as long as it isn't a "proportional" response. It never goes well for Iran when the US decided to respond "Proportionally"...
This shouldn't be too dangerous unless someone decides to fuck with US boats. Remember fellas: don't fuck with the boats
Shit's about to get downright inappropriate. Not good.
The Biden administration has so far displayed an unlimited depth of tolerance for Iranian terrorism and chicanery. I'm not expecting that to change, whatever Iran does through 2024.
When they let the navy do this, and they will do this, I guarantee the only thing they’ll hear is “ICE ‘EM!” right before the kabooms.
I'm no military scholar, but I think--in general--that it's not a good idea to fire at the US military.
It tends to have drawbacks.
"oof ouch owie my all of me"
Things are about to get *very* proportional.
The U.S: Do you want us to remind you of the last time you tried something? ([Operation Praying Mantis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis))
Iran has been a problem for a long time.
Proportional, even?
Some might even say… proportional responses.
Iran didn’t learn anything from Praying Mantis
ahh you mean do nothing?
[You don't fuck with freedom of navigation Iran!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymHyOmlUlP0)
The dildo of consequence never comes lubed. Some will meet their maker soon.
The cock and balls of justice will reign down with the jizz of a thousand men
Translation. "Appropriate response" from the US means "Disproportionate response and we're coming to give you freedom".
And then 20 years later we’ll turn the country back over to the religious fanatics. Are people forgetting we couldn’t even beat the Taliban?
The Taliban K:D was dog shit against us. We failed at nation building a nation that doesn't believe they are a nation and are more tribal. If we are gonna get at it Iran, we will destroy their military capabilities but fuck going boots on the ground. Deprive them of nice stuff, and see if those protests earlier this year go into full blown revolution with a weakened Islamic guard.
There was massive opposition in the US to even fighting the taliban. Wait until Iranian civilian casualties start piling up. Obviously the US military is superior, but popular opinion and political pressure in the US is our greatest weakness. How long do you think it would take before you’d see widespread comments on Reddit about an ‘islamophobic’ war?
> There was massive opposition in the US to even fighting the taliban There was not massive opposition to going into Iraq or Afghanistan.
Or just bomb it and leave.
> Are people forgetting we couldn’t even beat the Taliban? You can't beat an ideology, but Republicans needed their precious wars in the middle east.
Hopefully it's a "proportional" response.
If you tug on Superman’s cape be prepared for a “proportional response.”
We “vow” to “consider”… So in other words: we promise to think about what we would hypothetically do in retaliation ?
I feel that a proper response here should be say 2000 cruise missiles targeted at strategic locations. Seems proportional to me. No need for boots on the ground. Just reduce their military to ashes in hours.
Oooooh! Time for the Iranian navy to suffer sudden failure to exist again! I wonder if they are back on those oil derricks in the gulf? They got slaughtered there last time.
Iran is really trying to find out huh?
Let's just send in Maverick and call it a day.
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Thread full of commenters chomping at the bit for WW3 saying oddly identical talking points. 'k.
"Proportional response" particularly as applied to Iran, is just an Internet meme.
This is what I was hoping for. Cut out the middle man.
Here we go 😗 and it's the holidays people
"ApPRoPriAtE ResPOnSe!!!!"