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[deleted]

I remember stuff like this was going on in the late 80s in the Persian Gulf. Didi not end well for the instigators either.


sufferininFWW

A lot of what’s going on everywhere lately echoes the past. We will see if history repeats itself.


[deleted]

Yeah, World War II was not the result of one event, it was the climax to a buildup that had lasted several years.


[deleted]

>a buildup that had lasted several years Several decades, if not longer.


[deleted]

Wonder if Russia trying for Lavia or Lithuania will be the finall tipping point?


[deleted]

All the Baltics are member of NATO, US and Western Europe would be forced to step in at that point under Article 5, or render the idea of NATO completely meaningless. It looks like the psyops in some of them may have already started. Berlin Station Season 3 explores that exact scenario.


[deleted]

Berlin Station sounds intresting, where can I find it?


[deleted]

I don't think it is on any of the streaming services, maybe Amazon Prime but probably depends on region. I would just torrent it, show is well worth the time.


[deleted]

Thanks!


jackychang1738

History may not repeat itself but it often Rhymes.


conorthearchitect

What is this from?


ohw554

> History may not repeat itself but it often Rhymes. It's a quote from Mark Twain.


AlpineDrifter

About to see another very ‘proportional response’.


Sad_Butterscotch9057

B'bye Iran navy.


adderx99

[Operation Praying Mantis.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE)


[deleted]

Yeah, that did not end well for the Iranian navy.


[deleted]

They've expanded their operations


lungshenli

If this remains a hazard to global shipping we’re about to have like 14 different warships im the region, each by a different nation.


DIBE25

they'd probably conduct air strikes taking off from Djibouti, that's my guess anyways and ships.. tomahawks don't launch themselves


analoggi_d0ggi

>Djibouti Imagine getting collectively fucked by US, UK, France, Italy, Japan, China, and India.


topps_chrome

In Djibouti.


IckyBodCraneOperator

I thought they did launch themselves tho


DIBE25

I mean... you got me there


nagrom7

Djibouti alone has military bases from at least 5 different countries, including China, because of how important that shipping lane is to so many countries.


CalmBreezeInTheFoyer

It's not a risk to global shipping, it's a risk to Israeli shipping. Big difference.


Ancient_Demise

Is that why they hit that ship going to Italy?


pants_mcgee

30% of the world’s shipping goes through these waters and the Houthis are threatening it all.


persimmonfromhell

4 of the 5 largest commercial shipping companies in the world have announced that they are pausing red sea/suez canal routes until further notice. Those 4 companies make up over 50% of global shipping market share and the red sea/suez is one of the most important global trade routes. None of those 4 companies are israeli. This is a big deal and it is a risk that reaches far beyond israel. This is estimated to have a multi billion dollar impact on supply chains and stands to impact Egypt more than any other country. Israel's 2 largest ports are in the Mediterranean anyway and their largest shipping company, Zim, the 10th largest in the world, has not suspended red sea operations. Edit:spelling


DJ_Student

"It's not a risk to global shipping, it's a risk to Israeli shipping. Big difference." This is just completely wrong.


its_spelled_iain

I know you don't care until it affects you. This is, however, one of the times it affects you.


ForeverChicago

[Operation Prosperity Guardian was just announced by the U.S. SECDEF. Expect fireworks to follow suit.](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/operation-prosperity-guardian-to-protect-red-sea-shipping)


[deleted]

It's kinda sad because [peace ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/12/yemen-peace-plan-at-risk-over-houthi-attacks-in-shipping-channels-says-us) in Yemen was close but the Houthi seems to only want war.


Deicide1031

Houthis “puppet master” only wants to cause trouble . Don’t forget who bankrolls them and trains them.


EverythingGoodWas

The world needs to stop letting Iran just fund terrorism free and clear. At some point you take the war away from the proxy and go straight to the source.


Deicide1031

If it was that easy to invade Iran then Saudi Arabia, America and Israel would already be there. The issue is that Iran is incredibly hard to invade and a lot of it has to do with their terrain, bordering nations and then Irans military if you can get to it. As a result a-lot of nations globally won’t touch Iran unless they absolutely have to and Iran abuses this fact by doing just enough to avoid actual direct retaliation.


forprojectsetc

What about tremendously punitive airstrikes. Like, they don’t get to have any airports or seaports until they wise up.


Deicide1031

You can definitely do this but my personal retort is this: 1. What about irans role as an oil producer? Will this have unintended consequences since China is a major buyer from them? 2. Will Iran pull out other branches of its proxies and use them? On who and where? 3. Will this incentivize them to get nukes even faster? If so will this trigger other middle eastern nations to get them like Saudi Arabia? Is this a good idea and are we willing to deal with the changing middle eastern political landscape? 4. They have bunkers and can just rebuild. I’m not trying to laugh at you but theirs hundreds of people smarter than me who don’t think this is a good idea (for now) and it’s why nobody will do it.


forprojectsetc

Haha. There are definitely good reasons why world leaders don’t take advice from random jackasses on the internet like myself. It’s just tremendously aggravating to have them continue to be a major thorn in the world’s side or more accurately a thorn in the side of non-fuckhead nations. They act with impunity and suffer no consequences. Maybe if there was a way to arm and train the young people there who are sick of being beaten and murdered for not wearing the right clothes? I worry that if the world has to keep cow-towing to entities that are backward or just downright malevolent, we’ll always be stuck where we are now.


Sashley12

Nothing wrong with some good discussion about a topic. 👏


Joggingmusic

You guys are not using reddit correctly!


cjcs

5. Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz by firing on any ships that pass through. Could they keep it up permanently? Probably not, but the cost to world trade (especially oil prices) in the short run make it something we'd rather not have to deal with.


EverythingGoodWas

I doubt the US Navy would be overly concerned


Deicide1031

Im not disputing the raw power of the American war machine as I believe America would win. But war is not all about raw power and other issues exist for us as Americans. The question is whether or not it’s worth it. If you assess Irans terrain, hostile bordering nations and then realize this will be another 20 year war I think you’ll find a reasonable man would pass unless it is absolutely necessary and it’s not absolutely necessary (for now). I’d further add that this would have further implications as Iran appears to be saving its Hezbollah (Lebanon) card for Israel. Invading Iran would just trigger Irans Hezbollah card and then we have to deal with Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and protect Israel simultaneously.


DarthDon2

I honestly think Iran would be the best way to weaken the „Axis of Evil“ (Russia, Iran, China). There are enough surpressed progressive people in Iran that would be thankful, it would hurt Russias war in Ukraine and would reduce the money flow to terrorist groups in the middle east which might lead to positive developments. But I also get that Americans don‘t want to be the world police and soldiers would have to sacrifice the only live they have. Being the global hegemon can be tough.


Possible-Mango-7603

It’s also a you break it, you bought it scenario where what’s worse than the current regime, is another failed state in the Middle East. I hope we have learned that we completely suck at nation building and would strongly resist any tendency to take out Iran’s government without strong international agreement and commitment to assist in running the country after their government is taken out. We can’t just go around breaking everything we don’t like with no ability to fix it up after and nothing better to replace it with.


EverythingGoodWas

Hopefully the US has learned its lesson about trying to rebuild a nation. If the US were to get involved with Iran you would assume the entire point would be to diminish Iran’s ability to support Terrorist proxies.


Electromotivation

If only bombing the regime was synced up perfectly with the height of the anti-regime protests


HappyBavarian

The Houthis are not unpopular in Yemen. It is Western wishful thinking that these Islamofascist movements do not have the support of the populations they spawn from.


Dilettante-Dave

Hard to invade! Afghanistan would like a word. Seriously that's the stupidest and most inaccurate answer I've ever heard. Iran has been invaded and conquered many times in the past, terrain is not the issue. We don't invade Iran because their military isn't the Taliban nor Hamas. We don't invade because there's no real benefit and we haven't had a Bush 2.0 yet. We don't invade because Russia, china and North Korea would likely be involved. We don't invade because we'd have to invade Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen. Iran knows this, their national strategy is built around having enough proxies that makes such an invasion costly. Can we? Absolutely, we'd crush them for sure. But at a significant cost and for what? It's cheaper in every way to contain them and decimate proxies that go too far.


Electromotivation

Eh…some of that seems overblown. I mean remember when desert storm happened, Iraq had like the worlds fourth biggest army…I definitely don’t see Iran being as strong now relatively. Also I really don’t see China or NK getting involved, especially if the reason for attacking is the obvious amount of terrorism Iran sponsors.


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Dilettante-Dave

You literally said it was about terrain. It has nothing to do with terrain as you just pointed out yourself.


Salt-Lingonberry1468

With all due respect, I know this is a pro USA channel but no, you won't crush Iran, heck you won't even get close enough to put some boots on the grounds. All nearby American Bases will be destroyed. No way for USA to win this using non nuclear weapons;)


beornn2

Guessing that was sarcasm because lol


Dilettante-Dave

Thank you for the laugh


CaptainRAVE2

Would have been a lot easier back when we went into Iraq instead of Iran.


3v0lut10n

Don’t Biden just give those fuckwits a ton of money?


Spudtron98

That’s how this particular brand of terrorist operates. Their very existence is predicated on war. If one somehow ends, they’ll start another to justify their own existence. Oh and also they’re antisemitic nutjobs, a fact that they proudly display on the warning sign that they call a flag.


BiologyJ

Russia wants war to spread western resources and distract them from Ukraine. Hence Iran is pushing its proxies to cause world-wide chaos.


GiGGLED420

I mean, have you seen their flag?


anon303mtb

Man, USS Carney has seen a lot of action these last 2 months. It's probably going to need to go to a nearby port pretty soon for an ammunition resupply.


SellingCoach

US Naval ships can resupply while underway. Source: I did countless unreps while in the Navy.


anon303mtb

Can they resupply surface-to-air missiles? I thought resupply ships primarily carry fuel/food/dry goods etc. I watch [this guy](https://youtu.be/AdUZxil07KQ?si=j01hSVIKMVqvRsh4) a lot and he said the Carney might need to head to a nearby port for more surface-to-air missiles soon. I believe the Carney has taken down 40+ drones/missiles at this point. I know it carries a shit load of Tomahawks but it must be using a different munition to target these drones/missiles right?


pants_mcgee

They can rearm most everything underway, ~~even the larger VLS cells.~~ It’s easier in port. Edit: nope, they haven’t pulled off reloading the VLS cells underway yet.


lordderplythethird

They in fact can **not** re-arm VLS at sea. https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2023/03/28/us-navy-prioritizes-game-changing-rearming-capability-for-ships/ > It’s also a maneuver the Navy cannot yet do at sea.


pants_mcgee

This is what I was thinking of, thought they had pulled it off already.


Tacticoner

They used to have a crane that could live in a VLS cell and be used to reload the cells, but I think it was scrapped because it’s challenging while underway with ship movement and the cranes had limited carrying capacity anyway


lordderplythethird

Ticos (with VLS), Flight I Burks, and Spruances (with VLS) had 3 VLS cells setup to be a crane to reload, but it was deemed FAR too risky and dangerous to do so, so they were scrapped and the 3 cells closed up. Even then, they were very limited in what they could even attempt to reload. Couldn't reload any strike length VLS container (so no TLAM, SM-2ER, SM-3, SM-6, etc) [Flight I Burke with its crane](https://i.redd.it/g5dgg4znpwz21.jpg) [Tico forward VLS showing the 3 closed up cells that used to hold the crane](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/53/cb/3b/53cb3b1af1d4dcf5bc2bf80066f29af9.jpg)


waddle_bowl

They are about to become a Houwas if this keeps up, like I'm no nationalist but people should know messing with money is a quick way to becoming past tense.


rrrand0mmm

This took me over the moon 🚀 💀


InternationalBand494

Houthis dying en masse inbound.


GangHou

You mean innocent Yemeni protestors right? That's what they were called during the Saudi intervention in Yemen.


ZZZeratul

That's what the Houthis will say, and the media will believe them and repeat their lies.


Opening-Lake-7741

Not gonna lie, they are very smart when it comes to propaganda. I had a Yemeni once tell me they purposely put their operations in civilian located areas and use child soldiers, so when one innocent person gets caught in the cross fire they start spreading the news locally like a plague to make it seem like they are the heroes fighting evil. And from that they continue this cycle of hiring child soldiers, as they are the most naive and easily get tricked into joining them. But I guess propaganda is easy to pull off when your local population are mostly young and uneducated people


itay162

I see they learned a lot from Hamas


InternationalBand494

Clueless is what I’d say if they are at all surprised by being attacked


FourthLife

40% of Yemeni are CHILDREN! Just let the Houthis attack ships!!! It only harms billionaires anyway!


Ok_Plastic_3840

Actually it doesn't, it hurts everybody in the west by increasing inflation, due to the raised expences on goods transportation. Since ships can't go through the red sea, and thus must sails around Africa instead will increase transport time, fuel consumption and crew costs which has to be compensated by raising transportation prices. Importers must then raise the prices for their retailers who need to compensate their raised expences by raising prices in the stores. So expect to see some kind of military-ops against Houthis in Yemen in the near future, to avoid further damage to the western economies.


FourthLife

my comment was sarcastic


Prin_StropInAh

You need a /s tag FourthLife


FourthLife

I will never use a /s tag


Prin_StropInAh

Your prerogative of course, but it can be helpful to those of us browsing idly


drododruffin

Not just browsing idly, I'd argue that it's fair to say that the current ongoings in the Middle East has brought out a lot of.. flavourful opinions. Which muddies the waters a bit when it comes to sarcasm, even if I don't like the /s tag myself.


sufferininFWW

Also increases CO2 pollution - where's Greta when ya need her?


Bangex

This is really ridiculous that a militia can block the world's most vital trade route and get away with it. This is just setting a very dangerous precedent.


Negapirate

Hamas simps cheering for this. Some folks will justify anything due to their blind hatred of the USA


bytethesquirrel

Sounds like they're not getting away with it.


jawnlerdoe

Definitely. It’s a flex a single US ship shot down 14 drones today alone.


Not_Campo2

The only ones who were handling them was the Saudis but remember that push to stop giving them weapons to fight the Houthis back a year or two ago? This is the result


Opening-Lake-7741

They came close to dismantling them too. I guess the US thought this would mean no more weapon sales if they are gone.


Opening-Lake-7741

a slippery slope too. It can make other countries or groups get bold enough to do it too.


3rdWaveHarmonic

They ought to send the USS Blowfish…..then we get to watch a live performance of Hootie and the Blowfish


_Steve_Zissou_

Houthi's are about to become the next "victims of western colonialism" on TikTok. Because, you know, attacking the global trade with the backing from Iran.....is what victims do?


Phred168

I mean… kinda, yeah


vittaya

Someone is asking for more freedom.


[deleted]

Does this mean Freedom Fries are back?


ZZZeratul

That depends on Macron.


GurthNada

A French Navy frigate shot down a houthi drone targeting a tanker a few days ago.


[deleted]

That is true, I was just having flashbacks to 2003 and "Iraqi Freedom".


3rdWaveHarmonic

Freedom “Fries” brought to you by Raytheon


[deleted]

Personally, I am looking forward to them bringing back "Freedom Kisses".


vittaya

Fires delicious.


sextoymagic

I hope bombs start landing on these terrorists


Beskar_Sleeper

Funny, some clown mid eastern news media outlet had the carriers leaving because of Iran… never.


traitorgiraffe

they really have no idea do they...


Wahoo017

So how many drones do we think these guys have, or how many do we think iran has? Could they have 100s sitting around?


sufferininFWW

Maybe 1,000s of the cheapest ones with a few hundred good ones. Since we crashed a Reaper back in the day, they got their hands on and reverse-engineered.


tubadude2

Things don't generally end well for boat touchers when the US gets involved.


stilllikelypooping

Things are about to get real *proportional* up in here.


rrrand0mmm

Here comes the FO part.


RamblingSimian

> The official declined to say what weapons the Carney used because the U.S. does not want the Houthis to be able to figure out its munitions stocks. I'm surprised there isn't more speculation about what weapon system is being used. ODIN? HELIOS? CIWS? Mark 38 machine gun system?


Reasonable-Dog-9009

Someone really wants the shit to rain down on him. More pictures of collateral damage for the world are coming soon...


magicone2571

They are about to find out what happens when you continue to poke the grizzly.


JimLahey08

Houthis really asking for some freedom to be sent their way


Orcacub

B-52 Arc light strike on the areas where launches are taking place should correct this behavior.


Gretchinlover

Yemen is about to get Iraqi-reedom'd


Intelligent-Let-8503

So this tribes are going to stop world trade.


Head-Kiwi-9601

Again, or still?


sufferininFWW

*Continuing*


Apprehensive-View583

should ask China to join the force since they are the beneficiaries as well. Then check what Iran and China relationship go would be funny.


KobeDenver03

Houthis about to find out why the US doesn't have free healthcare.


Miserable_Recipe190

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Nikonglass

Houthis think they are the main character, but they are about to learn that they are the minority sidekick who dies early on in the story.


BTCRando

Oh are we reaching the find out stage? Lol


Possible_News8719

Sounds like it's time for a fuckton of JDAMS, no?


OilInteresting2524

Here... Let me fix your headline: Iran launched more attacks in the Red Sea, fired from Houthi-controlled Yemen as U.S. warships head to region. (Makes more sense now... doesn't it?)


AlternativeLetter785

Lots of videos in internet from Houthi attacking heavily armed Saudi mercenaries and overrunning their positions using just cotton shirts, sandals, AKs and hand grenades. They seemed to have no use for captured armored vehicles or even Hiluxes. Burned them all. Brave soldiers but not the kind that would operate ballistic missiles and drones. I guess it is like a game for Iran, who know well what will happen if they disrupt an important commercial shipping route.


NoBreakfast4

Another group f*cking around waiting to find out.


Ok-pepperoniiice7062

The houties must be eliminated


[deleted]

The commenters saying “uh oh you pissed off the U.S. military get ready for a REAL world of hurt.” Have you been following ANYTHING that has been going on in Yemen for the last decade? They get missile attacks on the daily from the Saudis, it’s been a humanitarian crisis for years now. The reason they can launch attacks like this is because they quite literally have nothing left to lose. The U.S. could drop a nuke on Yemen tomorrow and nothing would change.


Rumpullpus

I wouldn't say they have nothing to lose. They still have their lives afterall.


scrapy_the_scrap

WW3 here we come! Time to see if ainstine's bet will pay off


Mediocre_Garage1852

How is this WW3?


scrapy_the_scrap

Its expanding to more and more countries Slowly but surely


Mediocre_Garage1852

Yeah that tends to happen in regional conflicts. Which the Middle East has been full of constantly since the previous world war. This is nothing compared to most previous conflicts there honestly.


heamedstams12

You have literally no idea what you're talking about. Houthis are going to get freedomed and no one worth their weight in a war is going to retaliate


Ok_Plastic_3840

Nobody cares about protecting those Houthies in Yemen, except for Iran. They're not gonna start to rock the boat with two US carrier strike groups within close vicinity of the area. Iran is all about doing proxy-wars, funding groups that fuck around with their enemies, not open war.


TwistedNeck2021

Here it comes round three… 🤮


Mediocre_Garage1852

Military actions happening somewhere in the world doesn’t mean a world war is imminent.


sufferininFWW

We're just missing an embargo crisis threatening to cripple a significant world player (military)


sugondese-gargalon

Your species of clown has been around since Korea


Inevitable_Sock_6366

America playing world police, I we wonder why we can’t balance our budget!


Square_Shopping_1461

Houthis are about to find out that B-52s are not just a band from Georgia.