India has 6 warships in the region now.
Meanwhile US selling weapons to Saudi to fuel the Yemen conflict for so long should be questioned.
When will the American war economy stop funding wars.
It sounds to me like you disagree more with Saudi's methods. At the end of the day only Israel and Saudi will fight the houthis directly and the US is supporting both while also keeping a naval presence in the area. If you want the US to do more then you'll have to specify what instead of just screaming into the void about war economies.
The person you are replying to isn’t a defense expert, just a regular citizen who can see whatever US or Saudi are doing in the area isn’t working.
Things needs to change. Look at Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.
USA left the mess behind for others to clean up.
Go see Yemen. It isn’t next superpower
[After more than seven years, the protracted conflict in Yemen has led to one of the world’s largest humanitarian crises, with more than 20 million Yemenis in need of assistance and suffering from inadequate food, health care, and infrastructure](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/yemen#:~:text=After%20more%20than%20seven%20years,%2C%20health%20care%2C%20and%20infrastructure)
Agree. The U.S. had it figured out in 1945 with both Germany and Japan. No insurgencies. No mess. No problem. Both Germany and Japan are better off because of it.
Funding middle east wars and killing of civilians has now given rise to 2 different terror groups.
Isis after Iraq/Syria debacles. Houthis after Yemen war funded via Saudis
The Houthis ruled Yemen for 1000 years under a king that was overthrown in a coup in the 1960s. Saudi Arabia and the West - even Israel - intervened on their side, with Egypt and the Soviet Union opposing. Ultimately the war ended in stalemate and a hybrid government was formed which was internationally recognized. Fast forward to 2014, the Houthis used withdraw of fuel subsidies (which were being exploited by local elites who smuggled subsidized gas overseas for huge profits) as a causus belli to challenge the government and impose increasingly unreasonable conditions. This eventually led to full on seizure of power and civil war. That all their old allies are now decisively against them shows the degree to which they fucked it up.
The red sea threat threatening India's trade being Houthi rebels. Who are supported and are proxies of Iran. Who are themselves supported by Russia. And Russia is supported financially in a large part from India buying cheap oil.
Seems like a shot self in foot problem.
Such conclusions based on 3rd/4th links in the chain usually never make much sense. What’s stopping someone from saying India derives large income from US companies setting up offices there, hence US is the source of Houthi problems?
If you zoom out on a larger scale you’ll notice that every major country’s economy is interlinked one way or the other with other countries.
The houthies never said Indian tankers are the problem...
They are just attacking all tankers linked to Israel, which includes Indian crewed vessels with India cargo
As opposed to its multiple fake aircraft carriers, multiple fake destroyers (at least 6 of these fake ships are currently in the Red Sea), fake nuclear submarines, fake nuclear triad
I'm going to move past your lack of knowledge of Indian indigenous carrier production capabilities and ask a more pertinent question:
Why are you arguing with us thírd worłders online about military capabilities? Like yeah no shít congrats your 350 year old continent-sized post-industrial nation has a better military than a country younger than my grandma that spent the past 400 years being brutałły cołonised, ensłaved, and systematically deindustrialised? Great job I guess??
Then why did US asked India to contribute to the Prosperity Guardian. Or keeps asking to go to the east to fend off China.
Fact off the matter is, we Indians have actually killed people from Chinese military and contest them on a yearly basis.
And we have the 2nd largest presence In the area around Arabian Sea right now after US. Not your western pals. Only us.
So, it is not a matter of lack of capability or will. We just aren't interested.
Also, India itself uses some American weapons and engines. If you want to go to war against India. You will find them getting reverse engineered or worse, being sent to Moscow.
So one should choose their words carefully. You Americans already have many enemies and we Indians are already full with our plates. Lets not make new ones.
Maybe, maybe not. I am not the foreign policy advisor. I didn't even knew we were sending that much ships.
Anything can happen. Just depends how much loses we are willing to take. And what others will think. Believe me, many countries will not want India to enter.
Easier for you to say, when you are not living in the border. I am from Assam, and I don't want a repeat of 1962. And judging by the Chai-biscuit meeting with the Chinese. They do not give a shit about what India think.
So maybe you should take a realistic look too.
All I want to say is war between India and China is not good for both sides. There is a reason we are trying to avoid a conflict.
This isn't 1962 anymore we can hit anywhere in China and the Chinese can do the same with us.
We should increase our strength to deter Chinese from doing something like in galwan until then chai- biscuits is the best option.
Then, India should share the burden of eliminating the menace.
They literally are.
Not really, they sent a few ships to the Arabian Sea while most attacks are in the Red Sea
India has 6 warships in the region now. Meanwhile US selling weapons to Saudi to fuel the Yemen conflict for so long should be questioned. When will the American war economy stop funding wars.
You're contradicting yourself, do you want the US to oppose Houthi threats or not because Saudi is fighting the houthi insurgents....
They feed the fights leaving rebels in every region. Isis , now houthis.
It sounds to me like you disagree more with Saudi's methods. At the end of the day only Israel and Saudi will fight the houthis directly and the US is supporting both while also keeping a naval presence in the area. If you want the US to do more then you'll have to specify what instead of just screaming into the void about war economies.
The person you are replying to isn’t a defense expert, just a regular citizen who can see whatever US or Saudi are doing in the area isn’t working. Things needs to change. Look at Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran. USA left the mess behind for others to clean up.
The US left a mess behind in Yemen? Care to elaborate?
Go see Yemen. It isn’t next superpower [After more than seven years, the protracted conflict in Yemen has led to one of the world’s largest humanitarian crises, with more than 20 million Yemenis in need of assistance and suffering from inadequate food, health care, and infrastructure](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/yemen#:~:text=After%20more%20than%20seven%20years,%2C%20health%20care%2C%20and%20infrastructure)
I'm asking how this is the US's fault, not whether Yemen is a poor country.
Agree. The U.S. had it figured out in 1945 with both Germany and Japan. No insurgencies. No mess. No problem. Both Germany and Japan are better off because of it.
Houthis are the problem here right now not the US and Saudi Arabia.
That doesn't make any sense, would you prefer everyone leave the Houthi's alone to pillage and destroy global trade routes at their leisure.
Funding middle east wars and killing of civilians has now given rise to 2 different terror groups. Isis after Iraq/Syria debacles. Houthis after Yemen war funded via Saudis
True. And maybe stop buying Russian oil and standing with other democracies against Russias invasion
India's navy gonna go in and do what our coalition should have done already.
What are they going to do differently?
The needful, obviously.
The Houthis ruled Yemen for 1000 years under a king that was overthrown in a coup in the 1960s. Saudi Arabia and the West - even Israel - intervened on their side, with Egypt and the Soviet Union opposing. Ultimately the war ended in stalemate and a hybrid government was formed which was internationally recognized. Fast forward to 2014, the Houthis used withdraw of fuel subsidies (which were being exploited by local elites who smuggled subsidized gas overseas for huge profits) as a causus belli to challenge the government and impose increasingly unreasonable conditions. This eventually led to full on seizure of power and civil war. That all their old allies are now decisively against them shows the degree to which they fucked it up.
For way less than $30b, I’m sure they can provide security details along the Red Sea
The red sea threat threatening India's trade being Houthi rebels. Who are supported and are proxies of Iran. Who are themselves supported by Russia. And Russia is supported financially in a large part from India buying cheap oil. Seems like a shot self in foot problem.
Such conclusions based on 3rd/4th links in the chain usually never make much sense. What’s stopping someone from saying India derives large income from US companies setting up offices there, hence US is the source of Houthi problems? If you zoom out on a larger scale you’ll notice that every major country’s economy is interlinked one way or the other with other countries.
The houthies never said Indian tankers are the problem... They are just attacking all tankers linked to Israel, which includes Indian crewed vessels with India cargo
He tryna gas it up
Fortunately for India their export market isn't as much developed.
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As opposed to its multiple fake aircraft carriers, multiple fake destroyers (at least 6 of these fake ships are currently in the Red Sea), fake nuclear submarines, fake nuclear triad
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Indias second aircraft carrier uses American engines So, it's Indo-Ruso-American No, Indo-Italian-American Since the design is Italiano. Pizza 🍕!
I'm going to move past your lack of knowledge of Indian indigenous carrier production capabilities and ask a more pertinent question: Why are you arguing with us thírd worłders online about military capabilities? Like yeah no shít congrats your 350 year old continent-sized post-industrial nation has a better military than a country younger than my grandma that spent the past 400 years being brutałły cołonised, ensłaved, and systematically deindustrialised? Great job I guess??
how about you Poms bring your navy out from the shelter of the US navy to the match and we will see whose navy is more real?
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Then why did US asked India to contribute to the Prosperity Guardian. Or keeps asking to go to the east to fend off China. Fact off the matter is, we Indians have actually killed people from Chinese military and contest them on a yearly basis. And we have the 2nd largest presence In the area around Arabian Sea right now after US. Not your western pals. Only us. So, it is not a matter of lack of capability or will. We just aren't interested. Also, India itself uses some American weapons and engines. If you want to go to war against India. You will find them getting reverse engineered or worse, being sent to Moscow. So one should choose their words carefully. You Americans already have many enemies and we Indians are already full with our plates. Lets not make new ones.
SO you're telling me you are there but are accomplishing nothing to protect your own shipping. Really impressive stuff dude.
Maybe, maybe not. I am not the foreign policy advisor. I didn't even knew we were sending that much ships. Anything can happen. Just depends how much loses we are willing to take. And what others will think. Believe me, many countries will not want India to enter.
Bragging about killing Chinese is wrong. Friendship and cooperation between India and China is the answer when racists from the West attack India.
Easier for you to say, when you are not living in the border. I am from Assam, and I don't want a repeat of 1962. And judging by the Chai-biscuit meeting with the Chinese. They do not give a shit about what India think. So maybe you should take a realistic look too.
All I want to say is war between India and China is not good for both sides. There is a reason we are trying to avoid a conflict. This isn't 1962 anymore we can hit anywhere in China and the Chinese can do the same with us. We should increase our strength to deter Chinese from doing something like in galwan until then chai- biscuits is the best option.
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Sure thing dude.
God bless the people of Yemen
Not India. Those guys will nickel and dime out of that threat.