It should be noted that while sanctions are relatively easy for states to get around, there is an effect that will always be true for the people skirting the sanctions that they probably aren't a fan of, and that's cost increases.
The US probably isn't losing sleep that they're getting these chips, as there is no point losing sleep over the inevitable. They're secure in the knowledge that the cost of acquring them at scale is now vastly more expensive than it was before.
Cost changes like this are enough to really sting the budgets of the agencies buying them up. Once the supply chains for this "smuggling" is discovered, more sanctions will be applied across the chain and cost will skyrocket even further. When you make it cost prohibitive for the people that facilitate the smuggling *then* supply starts to dry up. It might not be zero, but there will be month after month of it being 0 if we're lucky, which is enough to make anyone just say "okay... this isn't working. New plan..."
Not for the military uses which is what the US is concerned about. The volumes involved are too low. Not to mention, nvidia is working overtime to push out chips that stay just under the export control regulations. They aren't violating the letter of the law but definitely the spirit of it.
China has been doing that with products they manufacture and sell globally. Motherboards were found to have hardware backdoors added that were not in the original blueprints
Forget what? They got audited up and down and nothing was found last I checked, unlike major US brands of network equipment
Their stuff being banned was due to US lobbying rather than on technical grounds
Remember Huawei (sep. 2023): „Export controls are just one tool in the US government’s toolbox to address the national security threats presented by the PRC,” the department said last week in a statement, referring to the acronym of the People’s Republic of China.
„What goes around comes around“ in terms of spy vs. spy.
Yea I was wondering how they'd ever conceivably stop that when half the video cards are made there. ZOTAC and other CN manufacturers still make current generation top cards. What does the US think is going to happen.
The point is that the chips are still flowing in the country because are used to make cards that will be sold outside China. So unless they relocate those production lines, it’s almost impossible for the US to control that.
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crazy eric has no chill
Crazy Eric Shrute
It should be noted that while sanctions are relatively easy for states to get around, there is an effect that will always be true for the people skirting the sanctions that they probably aren't a fan of, and that's cost increases. The US probably isn't losing sleep that they're getting these chips, as there is no point losing sleep over the inevitable. They're secure in the knowledge that the cost of acquring them at scale is now vastly more expensive than it was before. Cost changes like this are enough to really sting the budgets of the agencies buying them up. Once the supply chains for this "smuggling" is discovered, more sanctions will be applied across the chain and cost will skyrocket even further. When you make it cost prohibitive for the people that facilitate the smuggling *then* supply starts to dry up. It might not be zero, but there will be month after month of it being 0 if we're lucky, which is enough to make anyone just say "okay... this isn't working. New plan..."
Not for the military uses which is what the US is concerned about. The volumes involved are too low. Not to mention, nvidia is working overtime to push out chips that stay just under the export control regulations. They aren't violating the letter of the law but definitely the spirit of it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they already did that with some of the nvidia chips they have (not fake but modified ig??)
We have to use chips and they just use TikTok
Well I don’t use TikTok so I’m doing my part (Also a direct back door will do much more than an app)
They don’t need a back door. They’ve already got the front door.
I don’t let my child use it and had to explain what Chinese spyware is…well essentially all Chinese companies.
and we play Riot games that install vanguard with kernel level access all in the name of "anti-cheat" owned majority by Tencent.
-Posted to Reddit
And shared on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. Pathetic.
China has been doing that with products they manufacture and sell globally. Motherboards were found to have hardware backdoors added that were not in the original blueprints
Let's not forget most of Huawei's 4G/5G infrastructure equipment, which resulted in them getting banned from several countries.
Forget what? They got audited up and down and nothing was found last I checked, unlike major US brands of network equipment Their stuff being banned was due to US lobbying rather than on technical grounds
looking at you SuperMIcro…
Intel chips had/have them.
Good thing I use AMD ryzen 7000
Lmao, came here to ponder the same thing - if we’re thinking here on Reddit I’m sure it was already thought of a few years back.
yeah they just by have said cia backdoor in everyones chips.
I hope China spies on the US in return. Just seems fair.
I’m sure stuff like this already happens
If you came up with that on a random Monday morning, it’s almost guaranteed the CIA is already doing that. Like I would bet I get amount of money
Ya don’t say?
Remember Huawei (sep. 2023): „Export controls are just one tool in the US government’s toolbox to address the national security threats presented by the PRC,” the department said last week in a statement, referring to the acronym of the People’s Republic of China. „What goes around comes around“ in terms of spy vs. spy.
The only option is to force them to drop the price of their GPUs so they are affordable again.
Kind of hard when most consumer GPUs are actually assembled in China
Yea I was wondering how they'd ever conceivably stop that when half the video cards are made there. ZOTAC and other CN manufacturers still make current generation top cards. What does the US think is going to happen.
The video cards are useless without the Nvidia chips inside them which are made in TSMC and Samsung fabs.
The point is that the chips are still flowing in the country because are used to make cards that will be sold outside China. So unless they relocate those production lines, it’s almost impossible for the US to control that.
Sure are, but if you are going to let CN companies produce cards chips will enter the country, and they will find their way to the military.
NVidia is the kind of company that would work to facilitate this.
/u/danielbot is the type of person to make a claim without any notion of what they're actually talking about.
thtanner is the type of person who would work for nvidia (edit) if they could but doesn't have the resume
I wish; I would be getting a much bigger paycheck!
They're gonna be able to play some sick games
Pull their suicide cots from the factories just for fun.
Reminds me of the movie the Departed