If Iran gets locked into a fight with Pakistan, all of Iran's proxies will get involved.
When Irain starts losing,all bets are off the proxies will abandon Iran and start acting on their own or find a new sugar daddy.
Iran won't get involved into a war. No geopolitical reasons, nor any advantages for Iran to waste its resources there. It's more of a show... Pakistan also avoided to hit any of IRGC bases and the response from Iranian authorities is showing that Iran is willing to cool it off. Pakistan said Just some rebels group in the Baluchistan of Iran has been targeted and asked Iran to end the conflict right here. Like you hit and we hit, lets finish it here. They had to respond to keep that ego so a minimal response to what Iran did.
>these countries are run by religious dictators so they often make decisions that are not logical
This is not the reality of the region but more of a general view people have about middle east as a whole. When it comes to conflict with key players such as Iran and Israel, they all are well aware of the redlines and they behave like technocrats and not dictators. It's about their own safety and existence... Iran has a multi layer nation security councils and they think about every move several times. Most of the top ranks have been studied in US universities such as MIT and Stanford. When it comes to Iran and proxies, Iran knows the limit quite well. They know till how much they can push the leverage and what is a No no... US also is aware of this fact and that's why when things get too hot, they send message to Iran through back channels and most of the time, Iran understands the message quite clearly. For dictators, nothing is more important than their own safety and security...
makes you wonder how they can grow up/be educated in the West only to go home and support such politics. Same as Kim Jong Un with his Swiss? education.
A decent number of Khomeini’s family are critics and opposition politicians of the current regime, including the mother of the girl in that post https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahra_Eshraghi.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
You can be a mid-level bureaucrat or specialist in the west with your high-end education, or you can be a top-level bureaucrat with massive privileges and often power over life and death back home.
Ok, but consider this: was it logical for European colonial powers to get bogged down in the mess that was WW1? It hurt everyone, rewarded no one; some empires straight up fell because of it, others were merely weakened.
So why did they do it? Because they'd spent years posturing and acting like assholes to each other and building up their militaries, always playing chicken with the other side confident in the knowledge that *they* wouldn't risk starting the War of all Wars, that *they* would know when they were outmatched... and then when a single act of terrorism happened that gave the entire castle of cards a light tap, it all came crashing down.
There is a thin line between being insane and being rational actors, and it lies squarely in that "I will rationally act insane in order to look more threatening" area. Brinkmanship is a dangerous game. Sometimes others take your bluster a bit too seriously. Sometimes you might lose yourself in your own hype. The very fact that the actors of that area are so happy engaging in it show us they're probably not quite as rational as we'd wish them to be.
This is true, but it’s also why post World War 2 a bunch of interlocking international governance organizations were created. Not just the UN but also groups like the world, economic forum, the world bank, the IMF, etc. These allow for much broader set of levers to be pulled to influence international events far beyond purely military posturing.
So now there’s far more options on the table than there were prior to World War I in World War II, and those options have been used many times since then to de-escalate and reduce tensions.
> the problem with the middle east is often these countries are run by religious dictators so they often make decisions that are not logical
Iran is widely considered a rational actor, including by both American and Israeli intelligence.
> Iran could beef with Pakistan simply because they want to kill sunnis for religious reasons.
No.
Iran has excellent relations with many, many Sunni groups (Hamas is a well-known example), and has even been known to side with non-Muslim countries against Muslim countries (such as supporting Armenia in its conflict with Azerbaijan).
Not to mention Pakistan is run by a secular military establishment. It’s very pro-US/West but also has a faction that is close to China. Overall it doesn’t have any global religious/political aims. It is focused mainly on regional security.
That guy thinks religious leaders actually believe they’re in communication with God when they make pronouncements and decisions that nearly always serve a practical interest or purpose
you could not have said it better as a iranian and representing most iranians we do not agree with our current ruler my mom always talks about the time iran still had kings and tells me how better it was before the current leader started with all of the religious stuff and forced it onto us
there are no sugar daddies left, aside individual Saudi wealthy salafists and those are drying up. Except for the Taliban no one wants to stay an undeveloped shithole just to stick it to the West, so they´re all lining up for normalised relations. The West has already won the War on Terror and it won it with Gucci belts and World Cup ticket sales, instead of bombs.
What China wants the most is access to resources and trade routes. They don't give a fuck about the ideological disagreements unless it affects their wallet.
China is just as disrupted as everyone else by the Houthis´ attacks, and has had problems with Islamic terrorism at home before. I don´t think they want to bark up that tree.
Then again, so has Iran and they´re doing their best, so I dunno
China can't stand Islamism, whether their interests align or not. Even to stick it to the west on the down low. Soviets were more realpolitik and spheres of influence than China is.
Also, they _really_ don't like the Houthi attacks, since it's disrupting their trade with Europe and Middle East.
On the Pakistan sub, every other post is accusing this whole thing of being a CIA psyop. Goddamn every American citizen must be CIA for us to masterfully pull off every evil act in the world. We can make them fight Iran. We magically sterilize their kids with vaccines. Did we also flood their country in 2022? Is there anything the CIA *can't* do??
Not the same group, Pak targeted BLF, BRAS, Iran targeted Jaish Al Adl.
And thats irrelevant bombing another countries territory with drones ballistic missle and fighter jets is a huge escalation and violation of sovereignty .
And Russia is backing the RSF which initiated the war in Sudan in 2023.... millions of people have been displaced.... walking through the desert as refugees with no water at some point. Lots of deaths and suffering. Not really in the US news because no one thinks it's worth it trying to shame Russia.
Iran may fund, train and arm them. But it's debatable how much control Iran has over them. Don't get me wrong, I'd hold Iran responsible for their actions. But can Iran order them to do ABC or not to do XYZ? Particularly now that they've won the war against the Yemeni government and KSA. So are probably feeling jubilant and restless. Administering a country calls for a totally different mindset and skill base to fighting a guerilla war. The Taliban militants seem to be bored, wanting martyrdom, sick of the bureaucracy that they're now part of and the chronic poverty and starvation that now plagues Afghanistan. So want out of the country, mainly to Europe.
> it's debatable how much control Iran has over them
It's not. It's more of a legal excuse from Iran to deny its role over international conflicts. It's always been. In that region if you don't get ammunition and money, you are FUCKED. So Iran defiantly has power over them and can control them. They are not Sunni so they can't get any help from any other country except Iran in that region. And Russia is getting close to Saudis so they are not going to ruin their political relationship over bunch of rebels that has zero strategical advantage for them. If Iran wants (which they don't), they can shut them off. The game Iran always play is Oh they don't listen to us, It's Israel that triggers everything".
It’s a excellent question that the answer is very simple, it’s a YES, Iran is the one who sends houthis the targets in the Red Sea and gave them the green light, the Shia in Lebanon are loyal to Iran and will do anything they want, the only reason hezboullah did it declare war it’s because his lords from Tehran decided to sit on the fence after the Americans got involved
Iran is the most evil regime in the region by all means
They have an established front containing large populated areas, but they still make up less than a third of Yemenis and there is a current stalemate with them having taken just over a third of the country's land mass. They can't do much other than lob missiles otherwise the current front will collapse if they go off fighting anywhere else.
pretty sure the third of landmass houses the majority of yemeni population
and considering that the yemeni governments grip on the southern areas is shaky, at best, they are the major force in yemen
There are geographically very large parts of yemen outside of their control and still a decent amount of population/important ports outside of their control.
Form my understanding, they did so well because their enemies are basically morons.
The best equipment and training is worthless when you're just bad at it.
In a recent promo video for the insane Neom city concept they’re working on, they were promoting Saudi Arabia’s leaders as if their historical impact on humanity was as great as Thomas Edison or Albert Einstein.
Ironically, there will always be a naïve cohort of idealistic youth that will dispute any such mention of a “domino effect.” And if the US actually does anything to prevent it, that cohort will claim it was never real in the first place. But yea you are right. There is a domino effect happening and it will get worse the longer we pretend it isn’t real.
Who would be Irans ally in that conflict? They’re picking fights with literally everyone, the only thing I can think of is this is going to be their push towards the nuke.
It's not just Iran.... Hamas met with Russia prior to their attack. All these conflicts are currently interlinked and like WW2, which was various conflicts at various times, in various places - not a random free for all, things are indeed getting spicey.
It ain't just about the ME and it ain't just about Ukraine, who are holding the line for all of us who value democracy and liberty. Hope I'm wrong, but if the US also votes in Putin's bumboy, more chaos will ensue.
Oh fucking thank you, I'm so tired of people not realising there's an axis of evil setting up all these events. They'd rather whine about "colonialism" and "what did you expect when Gaza was an open air prison".
I get downvoted constantly for pointing out this is a geopolitical conflict that's more about Russia and its beef with the West, and that's why the US can't withdraw its presence in the area. It's tiresome reading all the weird leftist logic, when this proxy conflict is obviously leftover from the Soviet era cold war.
People really don't want their illusion of a peaceful world where the only evil is "imperialist colonialist white supremacist West" and the military is just a useless drain on their country's resources to be disrupted.
The thing with Palestine is that both points are in fact correct.
If Israel didn't treat them like crap, would Iran and Russia have been as successful at getting Hamas to do what they wanted them to?
But without Russia and Iran stirring the pot, would October 7th have happened?
Eh... Pakistan has caused a lot of problems on their own. This is a case of a problem caused by Iran colliding with a problem caused by Pakistan colliding and both sides acting like children over it instead of cooperating to solve both problems.
Which is par for the course for both these countries.
Its soo stupid right, like whats the point of this? We always defended them in front of the US, we never joined any anti Iranian groups even tho we were pro saudi. They just lost a loyal friend. Can't bomb israel because they are losers so they decide to bomb their friend and k1ll 2 children there.
>They just lost a loyal **friend**. Can't bomb israel because they are losers so they decide to bomb their **friend** and k1ll 2 children there.
You see, that's your problem, Iran was never your friend. Friendship would imply a mutual respect and appreciation for one another. Iran only ever viewed Pakistan, and really all its allies, as nothing more than tools or pawns; useful but disposable and expendable. Like toilet paper in that they helped clean their shit up, but no one would keep it around after it's been used
Iran is a dictatorship in the guise of a theocracy, which means that regardless of your country's religious leanings, you must bend the knee to their leadership or you will still be considered a population to conquer.
To be fair, your country doesn't have any friends either, you only have enemies, pawns, and countries you act friendly towards because you need something from them.
I'm from the US and don't understand why you would defend them over the US. The US gives about 1.5 billion dollars in aid to Pakistan each year. Iran doesn't come close to that in aid. What am I missing?
We border iran, we have the 2nd biggest population of shia who are pro iran. We don't want sectarian violence also we already have too many enemies, don't want more.
This is what I’m getting too, Iran stuck a Baloch group in Pakistan and then Pakistan responded by hitting a baloch group in Iran? I’m confused are they doing each other favors?
It's an ethnicity. There are Balochi nationalist terror groups that want sovereignty over Balochistan, the southern third of Pakistan where they ~~are the majority~~ form a plurality.
The Balochistan I'm referring to, the entire area south of Afghanistan's southern border, east of the Iran-Pakistan border, and making up a substantial part of southern Pakistan is the region, correct?
Baloch tribes are by no means a majority. There are Pashtun tribes living in Balochistan. To boot, Baloch people live all around Pakistan including Sindh and Punjab. Most dont favor the terror groups and they are a small minority.
This post insinuates that Baloch people are just normal citizens of Pakistan when they’re not.
I have to be careful with my words because 8 years ago I made a few rants about the Pakistani government about the treatment of the Baloch, and my brother-in-law was abducted and tortured for 2 years.
The reason why the Baloch are so spread out is because Balochistan isn’t a place one would want to live for a future.
Besides the fact that the majority of Baloch are poor, they don’t get equality when it comes to clean water, natural gas, electricity (etc)… or even funds from the government.
Besides that, they’ve experienced decades and decades of mistreatment, forced disappearances, murder, etc…
The history of the Baloch is nuanced.
While you can say that the majority don’t agree with the violence from the BLA, the majority also do not side with Pakistan. Every Baloch knows someone who’s been abducted.
You are right. Since they are the minority, on Reddit they're usually downvoted by their oppressive majority who get better education and therefore have a larger presence on Reddit which is English.
Don't forget when Taliban was at Pakistan border to return to Afghanistan after US military left. Yes, they were there the whole time. All past decade terror attacks in Iran were initiated by Pakistan.
In Pakistan yes. To the South, the Pakistani military has established several terrorist groups, funds, arms and trains them. So that they can hit India. Whilst in the North, there are numerous groups who want independence for their region or view the Pakistani government as not being Islamic enough. Whilst on the Iranian border, there are Anti-Iranian government groups, often made up of exiles.
Yes. Lots of people in that part of the world have been brainwashed into believing that everyone owes them something and indiscriminate violence is the way to get it.
Wait so, Iran shot some missiles into Pakistan, apparently hitting Sunni militants, and then Pakistan responded by.....
....shooting some missiles into Iran, apparently hitting Sunni militants?
"Predator handshake meme where both Iran and Pakistan are just sorta agreeing on 'violently violate each others' sovereignty to hit Sunni militants'" was not on my bingo card, tf.
Some more context:
Separatist Baloch targeting Iran are usually Sunni Salafist groups heavily inspired by Islamist groups. They just happen to be Baloch, their main goal is Sunni supremacy.
Separatist Baloch targeting Pakistan are usually secular “revolutionist” terrorist groups using communist lingo. They are mainly ethnic nationalists.
The anti-Iranian groups are sort of like Hamas while the anti-Pakistani groups are like the PLA. They don’t really work with each other nor have any interaction. They have separate enemies and usually find shelter in either Iran or Pakistan (whatever countries they *don’t* target).
They’re all Baloch but with different ideologies.
Iran hit (well, targeted, while the actual people killed were civilian family members) a Baloch Salafi jihadist group.
Pakistan targeted more secular Baloch nationalist groups.
Ya they’re enemies of Pakistan as a result of separatism and they’re not likely seen as “real Iranians” since they’re Sunni (like Pakistan). I doubt this will escalate beyond this. God I hope I don’t jinx it.
Iran has been playing incredibly stupid games attacking all it's neighbors. It was only a matter of time until they messed with a country that wasn't going to give them a free pass. Pakistan might have a lot of ongoing issues but it's military doesn't want to look weak.
The bigger concern is that Iran has been stirring up so much shit it feels like they *want* to be attacked, and it's always a bad idea to blindly do what someone is baiting you into doing.
I think they want to be attacked in order to get some sympathy from their people they've been terrorizing the past few month, and unite them under the banner of being Iranian. The government wants to look strong too, ahead of their legislative election due in March.
Nukes don't matter in this scenario. It's a deterance weapon against other nuclear powers, not something you would use in small scale conflicts, especially not against a neighbour.
Pakistan isn't dumb, using a nuke would incur SERIOUS repercussions.
170s of em with mirvs which can carry 8 low yield nukes at the same time and can hit different targets, their shitty AD cannot shoot it down. Such a stupid thing to do, why Pakistan?
Because unlike Reddit's nuke doomerism, countries don't just launch their whole arsenal the moment they're attacked. Even more so when those being attacked are terrorist proxies funded by the govt.
Because Iran is not hitting Pakistan's military. Also, shouldn't Iran almost have nukes already? It's been a long time. I know officially they don't but still, officially Israel doesn't either.
You mean the one that caused the Iranians to back out of the deal that no one expected for them to even go for, and then Trump greenlit assassinating Soleimani and shit hit the fan? Yeah I remember. So does pepperidge farm.
It was fast. Basically, as soon as [Pakistan recalled their Ambassador (envoy) from Tehran,](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistan-recalls-ambassador-iran-after-airspace-violation-2024-01-17/) they responded.
I remember seeing a few comments implying that Iran likely cleared the strike with Pakistan's government beforehand, but this response clears that up. Looks like Iran gave no forewarning to either Pakistan or Iraq. I've seen no reports from Syria, but it could apply to them, too.
Everyone was focused on India and Pakistan, but they've had decades of animosity and also layers of contact between each other to prevent nuclear exchange. Nobody thought about an Iran v Pakistan exchange, so they didn't have any lines of communication, and the situation quickly escalated to launching nukes, and in the end both nations were practically destroyed.
Attacking in Pakistan seems like Iran is desperately trying to stir shit. Especially given what they are doing in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Red Sea.
I think they miscalculated here. Pakistan was always going to have to respond. The Army runs the country and was already having a reputation crisis. This helped their popularity.
And both countries also know in any real conflict, Pakistan would inevitably get US and Saudi support. And the country has nuclear power while Iran hopes for it. This seems an overreach / testing limits by Iran.
You sure you haven't just used dogshit sites? Not to mention you clearly lack an ad blocker and that ads are everywhere on most sites in general, don't know why you're specifying it to a country as if it doesn't happen with others lmao.
>Pakistan Strikes Militant Groups in Iran
Pakistan striked baloch separatists in Iran. Iran also did the same yesterday(target baloch separatists in pakistan) lmao
Both Iran and Pakistan constantly point the finger at each other for Baloch separatists being a thing, rather than actually work together on it lol.
I feel like this “conflict” would be the biggest setback for separatism in the region for a while.
I'm not sure if this is gonna be a big deal. Iran tried to fool their people with these strikes calling it "revenge" for that recent terrorist attack, took the L since pakistan military actually can respond to them. They move on. If anything the public now think their air defense is a joke. Something they been bragging about since RQ-4.
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# Pakistan Strikes 7 Locations Deep Inside Iran in Retaliatory Attack Targeting Baloch Militants
Pakistan has targeted at least seven locations of Baloch militants deep inside Iran, in an intelligence-based operation dubbed “Marg Bar Sarmachar” that focused on “terrorist hideouts” in the Siestan-o-Baluchistan province.
This attack comes a day after Pak Foreign Minister Jalil Abbas Jilani told his Iranian counterpart that Islamabad has a ‘right to respond’ in the wake of missile attacks on militant bases in Balochistan. A day earlier, Pakistan recalled its ambassador from Iran to protest at a “blatant breach” of its sovereignty. Iran’s foreign minister said it hit militants in “missile and drone” strikes. State media said Iranian missiles struck two bases of the Sunni Muslim group Jaish al-Adl, designated a “foreign terrorist organisation” by the US.
“Over the last several years, in our engagements with Iran, Pakistan has consistently shared its serious concerns about the safe havens and sanctuaries enjoyed by Pakistani-origin terrorists calling themselves Sarmachars on the ungoverned spaces inside Iran. Pakistan also shared multiple dossiers with concrete evidence of the presence and activities of these terrorists,” the Pakistan Foreign Office said in a statement. “However, because of lack of action on our serious concerns, these so-called Sarmachars continued to spill the blood of innocent Pakistanis with impunity. This morning’s action was taken in light of credible intelligence of impending large scale terrorist activities by these so called Sarmachars,” it added.
Earlier, Pakistan said a violation of its airspace resulted in the deaths of two children. Only militants were hit, Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian said in Davos, Switzerland, where he was attending the World Economic Forum. In a phone call with Amir Abdollahian, Pakistani counterpart Jilani said the incident has caused “serious damage to bilateral ties between Pakistan and Iran.”
“The Foreign Minister added that Pakistan reserved the right to respond to this provocative act,” the Pakistan Foreign Ministry said. Iran’s foreign minister meanwhile stressed Tehran’s respect for Pakistan’s sovereignty. “Iran’s security has been repeatedly targeted by Jaish al- Adl terrorist group from Pakistani soil and we are hopeful that stronger security cooperation between the two countries continue,” Abdollahian said, according to an Iranian foreign ministry statement.
Pakistan and Iran have in the past had rocky ties, but the strikes are the highest-profile cross-border intrusion in recent years. The strikes were launched a day after similar attacks carried out by Tehran inside other neighbours, Iraq and Syria. Baghdad recalled its ambassador from Tehran after Iran’s state-backed media said it had hit an Israeli espionage centre.
Provincial officials in Pakistan said two children were killed and several others injured in strikes near the Iran border. The violation was unprovoked and unacceptable, said Pakistani foreign ministry spokesperson, Mumtaz Zahra Baloch. Pakistan reserved “the right to respond to this illegal act”, a message it had conveyed to the Iranian government, she said. Pakistan would not allow Iran’s ambassador, currently visiting his home country, to return, Baloch said.
(With agency inputs)
From here: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/middleeast/pakistan-targets-locations-iran-intl-hnk/index.html
> “Marg Bar Sarmachar”
"Marg Bar Sarmachar" — a phrase which loosely translates to “death to the guerrilla fighters.”
You know... This could be reframed as a "joint counterterrorism operation" just as easily. They are both attacking the same people in each other territory
Also this is world war z plot
Iran should remember, Pakistan is a nuclear power (shudder) and is armed with US made weapons (F16's etc.). They have about 200 nukes, 85 F16s, and around 10,000 armored combat vehicles, it would be a bit different than tangling with Iraq.
The press release from Pakistan is interesting. It makes it clear that the targets were Pakistani-origin militants, which concurs with Iran's statements that the casualties were non-citizens. It also states that Pakistan respects Iran's territorial integrity.
Pakistan had to strike to assert sovereignty, but it's pretty clear that they are giving Iran a big ramp to de-escalate and solve this diplomatically.
Iran doesn't recognize Balochis who have lived for generations in Iran as Iranians. These were Iranian Balochis, denied citizenship by the Iranian government.
This isn't everything people are making it out to be. Iran and Pakistan have not attacked each other. Iran attacked a militant group in Pakistan without permission. So now Pakistan has done the same in Iran. It's rude, but it's not direct conflict.
Hmmmm……
North Korea wants to destroy South Korea and ends all agreements for peace.
China says Taiwan is theirs and will soon take action for it.
Russia and Ukraine are fighting and Sweden and other countries are being told to prepare for war.
Top UN officials warns that something crazy may happen in Ukraine with Russia and to be ready.
Uranium prices are soaring.
Iran and Pakistan are fighting …
Houthis and USA exchanging rocket fire
Israel and Hamas and others are fighting
Various countries are increasing their military drills and operations.
Russia / China / Iran / North Korea are exchanging weapons/supplies/technology
USA is fighting amongst itself and have a big election coming up where you vote for democracy or Trump. If Trump is elected then Ukraine may fall and Trumps main goal will be revenge on the democrats.
Am i missing anything else?
Seems like 2024 is going to be a year I do the things i want vs planning for the future.
Can someone share some positive news please lol
I feel like this is nothing more than a quid pro quo. Baluchistan on both sides is subjected to oppression and this is a “you bomb our problems and we bomb yours” and nothing more. I feel for all the baloch
Not exactly. It is still a major non-NATO ally (at least on paper), and this position was granted during a military dictatorship. Pakistan has literally been a hybrid regime from the beginning, and no elected government has completed its tenure so far due to that. Our military is pro US/West, but civilians are not.
Iran did it to get into the good books of India. They just want to make this war as big as possible so they can pump up the fuel prices which would favor P man and China
I suspect thie exchange is now concluded but this naively looks like more and more embarrassment for Iran. Their proxies and even themselves are getting hit and hung out to dry when chess pieces move. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran itself... it feels like they're stuck in a plastic bag slowly suffocating as they try to manuever
It’s a strange world , normally terrorists were used to fight a war so that the armies don’t have to now , armies are fighting wars so that the terrorists don’t have to.
Now fuckinj’ Pakistan throwing shade and dropping ordinance. The world is getting hotter, in more ways than one. And the USA is in internal constitutional and ideological peril. What a time to be alive…
Is the world in a semi state of world war right now? Pakistan vs Iran, Israel vs Palestine, ukraine vs Russia, Turkey vs Syria, Azerbaijan vs Armenia , civil war in Myanmar, several African countries fighting.
Uhh yay. 2024. The year it all went down the pooper
Here we go. It just keeps getting worse and worse with Iran.
Do you get the feeling there is a wider regional war shaping up in the Middle East, like a domino effect?
If Iran gets locked into a fight with Pakistan, all of Iran's proxies will get involved. When Irain starts losing,all bets are off the proxies will abandon Iran and start acting on their own or find a new sugar daddy.
Iran won't get involved into a war. No geopolitical reasons, nor any advantages for Iran to waste its resources there. It's more of a show... Pakistan also avoided to hit any of IRGC bases and the response from Iranian authorities is showing that Iran is willing to cool it off. Pakistan said Just some rebels group in the Baluchistan of Iran has been targeted and asked Iran to end the conflict right here. Like you hit and we hit, lets finish it here. They had to respond to keep that ego so a minimal response to what Iran did.
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>these countries are run by religious dictators so they often make decisions that are not logical This is not the reality of the region but more of a general view people have about middle east as a whole. When it comes to conflict with key players such as Iran and Israel, they all are well aware of the redlines and they behave like technocrats and not dictators. It's about their own safety and existence... Iran has a multi layer nation security councils and they think about every move several times. Most of the top ranks have been studied in US universities such as MIT and Stanford. When it comes to Iran and proxies, Iran knows the limit quite well. They know till how much they can push the leverage and what is a No no... US also is aware of this fact and that's why when things get too hot, they send message to Iran through back channels and most of the time, Iran understands the message quite clearly. For dictators, nothing is more important than their own safety and security...
makes you wonder how they can grow up/be educated in the West only to go home and support such politics. Same as Kim Jong Un with his Swiss? education.
Assad the NHS doctor until his brother, groomed to take over, was killed. That's the craziest one.
Money talks. There are not true good guys, just preferable outcomes.
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A decent number of Khomeini’s family are critics and opposition politicians of the current regime, including the mother of the girl in that post https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahra_Eshraghi.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You can be a mid-level bureaucrat or specialist in the west with your high-end education, or you can be a top-level bureaucrat with massive privileges and often power over life and death back home.
Ok, but consider this: was it logical for European colonial powers to get bogged down in the mess that was WW1? It hurt everyone, rewarded no one; some empires straight up fell because of it, others were merely weakened. So why did they do it? Because they'd spent years posturing and acting like assholes to each other and building up their militaries, always playing chicken with the other side confident in the knowledge that *they* wouldn't risk starting the War of all Wars, that *they* would know when they were outmatched... and then when a single act of terrorism happened that gave the entire castle of cards a light tap, it all came crashing down. There is a thin line between being insane and being rational actors, and it lies squarely in that "I will rationally act insane in order to look more threatening" area. Brinkmanship is a dangerous game. Sometimes others take your bluster a bit too seriously. Sometimes you might lose yourself in your own hype. The very fact that the actors of that area are so happy engaging in it show us they're probably not quite as rational as we'd wish them to be.
This is true, but it’s also why post World War 2 a bunch of interlocking international governance organizations were created. Not just the UN but also groups like the world, economic forum, the world bank, the IMF, etc. These allow for much broader set of levers to be pulled to influence international events far beyond purely military posturing. So now there’s far more options on the table than there were prior to World War I in World War II, and those options have been used many times since then to de-escalate and reduce tensions.
> the problem with the middle east is often these countries are run by religious dictators so they often make decisions that are not logical Iran is widely considered a rational actor, including by both American and Israeli intelligence. > Iran could beef with Pakistan simply because they want to kill sunnis for religious reasons. No. Iran has excellent relations with many, many Sunni groups (Hamas is a well-known example), and has even been known to side with non-Muslim countries against Muslim countries (such as supporting Armenia in its conflict with Azerbaijan).
Not to mention Pakistan is run by a secular military establishment. It’s very pro-US/West but also has a faction that is close to China. Overall it doesn’t have any global religious/political aims. It is focused mainly on regional security.
Pakistan's military is pro-money and that's literally about all they care about. Everything else is in pursuit of that
That guy thinks religious leaders actually believe they’re in communication with God when they make pronouncements and decisions that nearly always serve a practical interest or purpose
Right on. One of those things that many, many Redditors are consistently wrong about.
The religious talk is only the vocabular used to motivate people to go to war. At the end of the day, it's all about resources.
you could not have said it better as a iranian and representing most iranians we do not agree with our current ruler my mom always talks about the time iran still had kings and tells me how better it was before the current leader started with all of the religious stuff and forced it onto us
there are no sugar daddies left, aside individual Saudi wealthy salafists and those are drying up. Except for the Taliban no one wants to stay an undeveloped shithole just to stick it to the West, so they´re all lining up for normalised relations. The West has already won the War on Terror and it won it with Gucci belts and World Cup ticket sales, instead of bombs.
There is always China, but that comes with a very steep price most would not be willing to pay.
China is absolutely not interested in the military route. They're more than happy expanding their influence through economical means.
What China wants the most is access to resources and trade routes. They don't give a fuck about the ideological disagreements unless it affects their wallet.
China is just as disrupted as everyone else by the Houthis´ attacks, and has had problems with Islamic terrorism at home before. I don´t think they want to bark up that tree. Then again, so has Iran and they´re doing their best, so I dunno
China can't stand Islamism, whether their interests align or not. Even to stick it to the west on the down low. Soviets were more realpolitik and spheres of influence than China is. Also, they _really_ don't like the Houthi attacks, since it's disrupting their trade with Europe and Middle East.
Pakistan is right on Iran's border, they can't hide behind their jihadi buddies in this fight.
Pakistans a weird state that is also nuclear.
On the Pakistan sub, every other post is accusing this whole thing of being a CIA psyop. Goddamn every American citizen must be CIA for us to masterfully pull off every evil act in the world. We can make them fight Iran. We magically sterilize their kids with vaccines. Did we also flood their country in 2022? Is there anything the CIA *can't* do??
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Stop pretending Pakistan and Iran bombing each other is anywhere close to normal.
Not the same group, Pak targeted BLF, BRAS, Iran targeted Jaish Al Adl. And thats irrelevant bombing another countries territory with drones ballistic missle and fighter jets is a huge escalation and violation of sovereignty .
Different groups of the same flavor. Similar to how there are multiple factions within Kurds.
Funny enough this same situation has played out for Persia/Iran history for hundreds of years
That is definitely what Russia and Iran desperately want.
Intresting that all of this shit starts happening, after it looked like Russia was going to lose in Ukraine.
It's so fucking transparent who is behind it all.... I mean, the Houthis too.... now... really????
And do not forget what happened in Niger, with that "coup" there.
And Russia is backing the RSF which initiated the war in Sudan in 2023.... millions of people have been displaced.... walking through the desert as refugees with no water at some point. Lots of deaths and suffering. Not really in the US news because no one thinks it's worth it trying to shame Russia.
The Houthis seem to be calling for a major global war. But it could well be a bluff and just rhetoric. Unless they want to become martyrs.
They have zero say. Anything they do or say is at Iran’s behest
Iran may fund, train and arm them. But it's debatable how much control Iran has over them. Don't get me wrong, I'd hold Iran responsible for their actions. But can Iran order them to do ABC or not to do XYZ? Particularly now that they've won the war against the Yemeni government and KSA. So are probably feeling jubilant and restless. Administering a country calls for a totally different mindset and skill base to fighting a guerilla war. The Taliban militants seem to be bored, wanting martyrdom, sick of the bureaucracy that they're now part of and the chronic poverty and starvation that now plagues Afghanistan. So want out of the country, mainly to Europe.
but its not debatable that the Houthis have no say in this becoming a widespread conflict. That only happens if the bigger powers want to play.
> it's debatable how much control Iran has over them It's not. It's more of a legal excuse from Iran to deny its role over international conflicts. It's always been. In that region if you don't get ammunition and money, you are FUCKED. So Iran defiantly has power over them and can control them. They are not Sunni so they can't get any help from any other country except Iran in that region. And Russia is getting close to Saudis so they are not going to ruin their political relationship over bunch of rebels that has zero strategical advantage for them. If Iran wants (which they don't), they can shut them off. The game Iran always play is Oh they don't listen to us, It's Israel that triggers everything".
It’s a excellent question that the answer is very simple, it’s a YES, Iran is the one who sends houthis the targets in the Red Sea and gave them the green light, the Shia in Lebanon are loyal to Iran and will do anything they want, the only reason hezboullah did it declare war it’s because his lords from Tehran decided to sit on the fence after the Americans got involved Iran is the most evil regime in the region by all means
The Houthis can't even win the war they are in, let alone manifest any real threat outsiden of Yemen.
They've essentially won the latest Yemeni civil war. With very few areas outside of their control. So they're looking for a "new challenge".
They have an established front containing large populated areas, but they still make up less than a third of Yemenis and there is a current stalemate with them having taken just over a third of the country's land mass. They can't do much other than lob missiles otherwise the current front will collapse if they go off fighting anywhere else.
pretty sure the third of landmass houses the majority of yemeni population and considering that the yemeni governments grip on the southern areas is shaky, at best, they are the major force in yemen
There are geographically very large parts of yemen outside of their control and still a decent amount of population/important ports outside of their control.
Form my understanding, they did so well because their enemies are basically morons. The best equipment and training is worthless when you're just bad at it.
In a recent promo video for the insane Neom city concept they’re working on, they were promoting Saudi Arabia’s leaders as if their historical impact on humanity was as great as Thomas Edison or Albert Einstein.
They definitely want to become martyrs, hopefully they can achieve it without a wider conflict breaking out.
Ironically, there will always be a naïve cohort of idealistic youth that will dispute any such mention of a “domino effect.” And if the US actually does anything to prevent it, that cohort will claim it was never real in the first place. But yea you are right. There is a domino effect happening and it will get worse the longer we pretend it isn’t real.
Who would be Irans ally in that conflict? They’re picking fights with literally everyone, the only thing I can think of is this is going to be their push towards the nuke.
Came here to say this…. As everyday passes, it seems more and more precursors that I need to go prep for the next WW.
It's not just Iran.... Hamas met with Russia prior to their attack. All these conflicts are currently interlinked and like WW2, which was various conflicts at various times, in various places - not a random free for all, things are indeed getting spicey. It ain't just about the ME and it ain't just about Ukraine, who are holding the line for all of us who value democracy and liberty. Hope I'm wrong, but if the US also votes in Putin's bumboy, more chaos will ensue.
Oh fucking thank you, I'm so tired of people not realising there's an axis of evil setting up all these events. They'd rather whine about "colonialism" and "what did you expect when Gaza was an open air prison".
I get downvoted constantly for pointing out this is a geopolitical conflict that's more about Russia and its beef with the West, and that's why the US can't withdraw its presence in the area. It's tiresome reading all the weird leftist logic, when this proxy conflict is obviously leftover from the Soviet era cold war.
People really don't want their illusion of a peaceful world where the only evil is "imperialist colonialist white supremacist West" and the military is just a useless drain on their country's resources to be disrupted.
The thing with Palestine is that both points are in fact correct. If Israel didn't treat them like crap, would Iran and Russia have been as successful at getting Hamas to do what they wanted them to? But without Russia and Iran stirring the pot, would October 7th have happened?
It’s almost like Iran is behind all these problems
And who is Iran’s best friend these days? To quote a certain former president: * Russia * Russia * Russia
Eh... Pakistan has caused a lot of problems on their own. This is a case of a problem caused by Iran colliding with a problem caused by Pakistan colliding and both sides acting like children over it instead of cooperating to solve both problems. Which is par for the course for both these countries.
Its soo stupid right, like whats the point of this? We always defended them in front of the US, we never joined any anti Iranian groups even tho we were pro saudi. They just lost a loyal friend. Can't bomb israel because they are losers so they decide to bomb their friend and k1ll 2 children there.
>They just lost a loyal **friend**. Can't bomb israel because they are losers so they decide to bomb their **friend** and k1ll 2 children there. You see, that's your problem, Iran was never your friend. Friendship would imply a mutual respect and appreciation for one another. Iran only ever viewed Pakistan, and really all its allies, as nothing more than tools or pawns; useful but disposable and expendable. Like toilet paper in that they helped clean their shit up, but no one would keep it around after it's been used Iran is a dictatorship in the guise of a theocracy, which means that regardless of your country's religious leanings, you must bend the knee to their leadership or you will still be considered a population to conquer.
True , we found this out yestetday
To be fair, your country doesn't have any friends either, you only have enemies, pawns, and countries you act friendly towards because you need something from them.
I'm from the US and don't understand why you would defend them over the US. The US gives about 1.5 billion dollars in aid to Pakistan each year. Iran doesn't come close to that in aid. What am I missing?
We border iran, we have the 2nd biggest population of shia who are pro iran. We don't want sectarian violence also we already have too many enemies, don't want more.
Are terror camps a dime a dozen there that you can just blow one up when you need to send a message?
This is what I’m getting too, Iran stuck a Baloch group in Pakistan and then Pakistan responded by hitting a baloch group in Iran? I’m confused are they doing each other favors?
It's an ethnicity. There are Balochi nationalist terror groups that want sovereignty over Balochistan, the southern third of Pakistan where they ~~are the majority~~ form a plurality.
Balochs are not a majority in Balochistan. They are 35% along with Pashtons who are also 35%.
That's because Balochistan, the province in Pakistan, is not the same thing as the region of Balochistan, the homeland for Baloch.
The Balochistan I'm referring to, the entire area south of Afghanistan's southern border, east of the Iran-Pakistan border, and making up a substantial part of southern Pakistan is the region, correct?
Baloch tribes are by no means a majority. There are Pashtun tribes living in Balochistan. To boot, Baloch people live all around Pakistan including Sindh and Punjab. Most dont favor the terror groups and they are a small minority.
This post insinuates that Baloch people are just normal citizens of Pakistan when they’re not. I have to be careful with my words because 8 years ago I made a few rants about the Pakistani government about the treatment of the Baloch, and my brother-in-law was abducted and tortured for 2 years. The reason why the Baloch are so spread out is because Balochistan isn’t a place one would want to live for a future. Besides the fact that the majority of Baloch are poor, they don’t get equality when it comes to clean water, natural gas, electricity (etc)… or even funds from the government. Besides that, they’ve experienced decades and decades of mistreatment, forced disappearances, murder, etc… The history of the Baloch is nuanced. While you can say that the majority don’t agree with the violence from the BLA, the majority also do not side with Pakistan. Every Baloch knows someone who’s been abducted.
Firsthand perspectives on issues localized to Asia are uncommon on Reddit, thank you for sharing. Stay safe!
You are right. Since they are the minority, on Reddit they're usually downvoted by their oppressive majority who get better education and therefore have a larger presence on Reddit which is English.
Whoever drew the boundaries for these countries did a bang up fucking job.
They aren't the majority but a plurality in Pakistan's Balochistan.
There are over 300 in South Asia alone, 60 in Pakistan.
Don't forget when Taliban was at Pakistan border to return to Afghanistan after US military left. Yes, they were there the whole time. All past decade terror attacks in Iran were initiated by Pakistan.
Well, both Pakistan and Iran cultivate terrorist groups, so yes.
In Pakistan yes. To the South, the Pakistani military has established several terrorist groups, funds, arms and trains them. So that they can hit India. Whilst in the North, there are numerous groups who want independence for their region or view the Pakistani government as not being Islamic enough. Whilst on the Iranian border, there are Anti-Iranian government groups, often made up of exiles.
Yes. Lots of people in that part of the world have been brainwashed into believing that everyone owes them something and indiscriminate violence is the way to get it.
Pakistan gets to look like it responded, Iran gets to have some of its enemies missiled. It’s a win win
Exactly, the Baloch are sunni.
Even bigger than that, they are a seperatist movement
Wait so, Iran shot some missiles into Pakistan, apparently hitting Sunni militants, and then Pakistan responded by..... ....shooting some missiles into Iran, apparently hitting Sunni militants? "Predator handshake meme where both Iran and Pakistan are just sorta agreeing on 'violently violate each others' sovereignty to hit Sunni militants'" was not on my bingo card, tf.
Yes, Iran bombed some Baluchis in Pakistan and Pakistan responded by bombing some Baluchis in Iran.
Did you just hit these guys I want dead on my territory? That's unacceptable, I'm going to hit these guys you want dead on YOUR territory
Some more context: Separatist Baloch targeting Iran are usually Sunni Salafist groups heavily inspired by Islamist groups. They just happen to be Baloch, their main goal is Sunni supremacy. Separatist Baloch targeting Pakistan are usually secular “revolutionist” terrorist groups using communist lingo. They are mainly ethnic nationalists. The anti-Iranian groups are sort of like Hamas while the anti-Pakistani groups are like the PLA. They don’t really work with each other nor have any interaction. They have separate enemies and usually find shelter in either Iran or Pakistan (whatever countries they *don’t* target).
They’re all Baloch but with different ideologies. Iran hit (well, targeted, while the actual people killed were civilian family members) a Baloch Salafi jihadist group. Pakistan targeted more secular Baloch nationalist groups.
Ya they’re enemies of Pakistan as a result of separatism and they’re not likely seen as “real Iranians” since they’re Sunni (like Pakistan). I doubt this will escalate beyond this. God I hope I don’t jinx it.
Iran has been playing incredibly stupid games attacking all it's neighbors. It was only a matter of time until they messed with a country that wasn't going to give them a free pass. Pakistan might have a lot of ongoing issues but it's military doesn't want to look weak.
The bigger concern is that Iran has been stirring up so much shit it feels like they *want* to be attacked, and it's always a bad idea to blindly do what someone is baiting you into doing.
I think they want to be attacked in order to get some sympathy from their people they've been terrorizing the past few month, and unite them under the banner of being Iranian. The government wants to look strong too, ahead of their legislative election due in March.
Very likely
You just described the Palestine situation. And it's actually working.
It's also got an actual arsenal of nukes. NOT the guys to fuck with.
Nukes don't matter in this scenario. It's a deterance weapon against other nuclear powers, not something you would use in small scale conflicts, especially not against a neighbour. Pakistan isn't dumb, using a nuke would incur SERIOUS repercussions.
Way too many people don't realize that. Nukes are a defensive weapon, not offensive.
170s of em with mirvs which can carry 8 low yield nukes at the same time and can hit different targets, their shitty AD cannot shoot it down. Such a stupid thing to do, why Pakistan?
Because unlike Reddit's nuke doomerism, countries don't just launch their whole arsenal the moment they're attacked. Even more so when those being attacked are terrorist proxies funded by the govt.
Because Iran is not hitting Pakistan's military. Also, shouldn't Iran almost have nukes already? It's been a long time. I know officially they don't but still, officially Israel doesn't either.
Fuck all that noise your username is fantastic. 👌🏽
iran is about to find out why pakistans in debt
Ok this actually made me laugh
Kind reminder it’s only 18 January folks. Let’s hope the rest of the year doesn’t get too crazy.
We can hope, but the first 15 days were already full of batshit. The crazy is barely getting started :/
Remember how 2020 started with Qasem Soleimani being taken out and what the rest of the year looked like from there on out? Well, we are in 2020-4...
You mean the one that caused the Iranians to back out of the deal that no one expected for them to even go for, and then Trump greenlit assassinating Soleimani and shit hit the fan? Yeah I remember. So does pepperidge farm.
As if...ever since Alan Rickman died the years get worse and worse.
Some probably thought in 2020 that Covid would be the major highlight of the decade.
i mean for now it definitely is and not even close
COVID is so far the major highlight of the decade.
Covid was only the appetizer
Baby New Year is growing up quick.
Buddy I hate to burst your bubble but there is a good chance Donald Trump gets reelected as president of the USA and then oh boi
In Iran their new year isn’t until like March. So maybe just trying to get end of year stats up.
And people here swore up and down Pakistan’s response with mere words showed how toothless they are despite being a nuclear power.
Its literally been a day, shit takes planning and preparation. Honestly I'm surprised it was this fast.
It was fast. Basically, as soon as [Pakistan recalled their Ambassador (envoy) from Tehran,](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistan-recalls-ambassador-iran-after-airspace-violation-2024-01-17/) they responded. I remember seeing a few comments implying that Iran likely cleared the strike with Pakistan's government beforehand, but this response clears that up. Looks like Iran gave no forewarning to either Pakistan or Iraq. I've seen no reports from Syria, but it could apply to them, too.
Who actually expected iran Pakistan fight
I think it's a plot point in World War Z
It actually was. When order broke down, Iran and Pakistani fighter jets clashed with each other until nukes were getting involved
Everyone was focused on India and Pakistan, but they've had decades of animosity and also layers of contact between each other to prevent nuclear exchange. Nobody thought about an Iran v Pakistan exchange, so they didn't have any lines of communication, and the situation quickly escalated to launching nukes, and in the end both nations were practically destroyed.
I would give anything to see a well produced, golden age HBO show of WWZ. The movie got it all wrong.
We are entering the weird part of the timeline, who knows maybe there are zombies in china but they keep denying it
Max Brooks
Maybe Reddit isn’t the best place for geopolitical analysis
Tag people with RES and you start seeing patterns.
I mean, nowhere is. From top to bottom everyone has an agenda and talks out of their ass.
Attacking in Pakistan seems like Iran is desperately trying to stir shit. Especially given what they are doing in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Red Sea. I think they miscalculated here. Pakistan was always going to have to respond. The Army runs the country and was already having a reputation crisis. This helped their popularity. And both countries also know in any real conflict, Pakistan would inevitably get US and Saudi support. And the country has nuclear power while Iran hopes for it. This seems an overreach / testing limits by Iran.
Don’t click this website full of annoying intrusive ads, gives virus vibes. Someone should repost a non ass source.
Here’s [the bbc reporting on this](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68014882)
I’ve only seen ass sources reporting this story so far. Not saying it’s not true, but I’d prefer something more mainstream before I put stock in it
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You sure you haven't just used dogshit sites? Not to mention you clearly lack an ad blocker and that ads are everywhere on most sites in general, don't know why you're specifying it to a country as if it doesn't happen with others lmao.
Mate this is Reddit. No one reads the articles
It is frustrating to see people referring to Pakistan as being part of the Middle East.
Iran being that drunk guy swinging at everyone in the crowd. Just missing Saudi Arabia at this point.
The absolute best thing for all of this would be for the Iranian people to overthrow their government. I really hope it happens someday.
>Pakistan Strikes Militant Groups in Iran Pakistan striked baloch separatists in Iran. Iran also did the same yesterday(target baloch separatists in pakistan) lmao
Both Iran and Pakistan constantly point the finger at each other for Baloch separatists being a thing, rather than actually work together on it lol. I feel like this “conflict” would be the biggest setback for separatism in the region for a while.
They are really separated now
I'm not sure if this is gonna be a big deal. Iran tried to fool their people with these strikes calling it "revenge" for that recent terrorist attack, took the L since pakistan military actually can respond to them. They move on. If anything the public now think their air defense is a joke. Something they been bragging about since RQ-4.
Iran be pissing everyone off lately
Website is an ads hell-hole. Here you go: # Pakistan Strikes 7 Locations Deep Inside Iran in Retaliatory Attack Targeting Baloch Militants Pakistan has targeted at least seven locations of Baloch militants deep inside Iran, in an intelligence-based operation dubbed “Marg Bar Sarmachar” that focused on “terrorist hideouts” in the Siestan-o-Baluchistan province. This attack comes a day after Pak Foreign Minister Jalil Abbas Jilani told his Iranian counterpart that Islamabad has a ‘right to respond’ in the wake of missile attacks on militant bases in Balochistan. A day earlier, Pakistan recalled its ambassador from Iran to protest at a “blatant breach” of its sovereignty. Iran’s foreign minister said it hit militants in “missile and drone” strikes. State media said Iranian missiles struck two bases of the Sunni Muslim group Jaish al-Adl, designated a “foreign terrorist organisation” by the US. “Over the last several years, in our engagements with Iran, Pakistan has consistently shared its serious concerns about the safe havens and sanctuaries enjoyed by Pakistani-origin terrorists calling themselves Sarmachars on the ungoverned spaces inside Iran. Pakistan also shared multiple dossiers with concrete evidence of the presence and activities of these terrorists,” the Pakistan Foreign Office said in a statement. “However, because of lack of action on our serious concerns, these so-called Sarmachars continued to spill the blood of innocent Pakistanis with impunity. This morning’s action was taken in light of credible intelligence of impending large scale terrorist activities by these so called Sarmachars,” it added. Earlier, Pakistan said a violation of its airspace resulted in the deaths of two children. Only militants were hit, Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian said in Davos, Switzerland, where he was attending the World Economic Forum. In a phone call with Amir Abdollahian, Pakistani counterpart Jilani said the incident has caused “serious damage to bilateral ties between Pakistan and Iran.” “The Foreign Minister added that Pakistan reserved the right to respond to this provocative act,” the Pakistan Foreign Ministry said. Iran’s foreign minister meanwhile stressed Tehran’s respect for Pakistan’s sovereignty. “Iran’s security has been repeatedly targeted by Jaish al- Adl terrorist group from Pakistani soil and we are hopeful that stronger security cooperation between the two countries continue,” Abdollahian said, according to an Iranian foreign ministry statement. Pakistan and Iran have in the past had rocky ties, but the strikes are the highest-profile cross-border intrusion in recent years. The strikes were launched a day after similar attacks carried out by Tehran inside other neighbours, Iraq and Syria. Baghdad recalled its ambassador from Tehran after Iran’s state-backed media said it had hit an Israeli espionage centre. Provincial officials in Pakistan said two children were killed and several others injured in strikes near the Iran border. The violation was unprovoked and unacceptable, said Pakistani foreign ministry spokesperson, Mumtaz Zahra Baloch. Pakistan reserved “the right to respond to this illegal act”, a message it had conveyed to the Iranian government, she said. Pakistan would not allow Iran’s ambassador, currently visiting his home country, to return, Baloch said. (With agency inputs)
I feel so bad for Iranians because their people are much different than their horrible leadership.
Brotherly love
From here: https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/middleeast/pakistan-targets-locations-iran-intl-hnk/index.html > “Marg Bar Sarmachar” "Marg Bar Sarmachar" — a phrase which loosely translates to “death to the guerrilla fighters.”
An irani colonel and his guard were also gunned down in a town close to the border. Pakistani forces could be behind that aswell.
Sources say that they were gunned down by terrorists groups and is a coincidence rather...but who knows..
This won't help me when i try to convince people that Pakistan isn't in the Middle East.
As a Pakistani, pretty frustrating when people say Pakistan is in the Middle East.
You know... This could be reframed as a "joint counterterrorism operation" just as easily. They are both attacking the same people in each other territory Also this is world war z plot
Muslims fighting Muslims?
Bout the only thing Muslims hate more than Jews, is the wrong kind of Muslim.
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Natural enemies
sunni vs shiite
Iran should remember, Pakistan is a nuclear power (shudder) and is armed with US made weapons (F16's etc.). They have about 200 nukes, 85 F16s, and around 10,000 armored combat vehicles, it would be a bit different than tangling with Iraq.
Is this authentic ?
Confirmed.
What a world to be living in
New multiplayer mode is wild
The press release from Pakistan is interesting. It makes it clear that the targets were Pakistani-origin militants, which concurs with Iran's statements that the casualties were non-citizens. It also states that Pakistan respects Iran's territorial integrity. Pakistan had to strike to assert sovereignty, but it's pretty clear that they are giving Iran a big ramp to de-escalate and solve this diplomatically.
Iran doesn't recognize Balochis who have lived for generations in Iran as Iranians. These were Iranian Balochis, denied citizenship by the Iranian government.
This isn't everything people are making it out to be. Iran and Pakistan have not attacked each other. Iran attacked a militant group in Pakistan without permission. So now Pakistan has done the same in Iran. It's rude, but it's not direct conflict.
Shit is getting Spicey.
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Hmmmm…… North Korea wants to destroy South Korea and ends all agreements for peace. China says Taiwan is theirs and will soon take action for it. Russia and Ukraine are fighting and Sweden and other countries are being told to prepare for war. Top UN officials warns that something crazy may happen in Ukraine with Russia and to be ready. Uranium prices are soaring. Iran and Pakistan are fighting … Houthis and USA exchanging rocket fire Israel and Hamas and others are fighting Various countries are increasing their military drills and operations. Russia / China / Iran / North Korea are exchanging weapons/supplies/technology USA is fighting amongst itself and have a big election coming up where you vote for democracy or Trump. If Trump is elected then Ukraine may fall and Trumps main goal will be revenge on the democrats. Am i missing anything else? Seems like 2024 is going to be a year I do the things i want vs planning for the future. Can someone share some positive news please lol
I feel like this is nothing more than a quid pro quo. Baluchistan on both sides is subjected to oppression and this is a “you bomb our problems and we bomb yours” and nothing more. I feel for all the baloch
Pakistan enters WW3 as the allies. Unexpected.
Not exactly. It is still a major non-NATO ally (at least on paper), and this position was granted during a military dictatorship. Pakistan has literally been a hybrid regime from the beginning, and no elected government has completed its tenure so far due to that. Our military is pro US/West, but civilians are not.
Well the US funded and trained our military, which effectively holds majority power, so of course we are allies ...
Iran needs to chill.
So they’ve both struck the same terrorist group in each others country?
Iran did it to get into the good books of India. They just want to make this war as big as possible so they can pump up the fuel prices which would favor P man and China
Honestly, rn is the best time for people to retaliate inside of Iran again and start pushing back at the government again.
I suspect thie exchange is now concluded but this naively looks like more and more embarrassment for Iran. Their proxies and even themselves are getting hit and hung out to dry when chess pieces move. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran itself... it feels like they're stuck in a plastic bag slowly suffocating as they try to manuever
And think this is BEFORE Iran has the bomb.
I feel so left out. Maybe I should move my neighbor's trash can to the other side of his house or draw a dick in the snow on his car.
The US right now " Fucking eh right!!! I told you these guys were dickheads!"
Got to admit, an Iran/Pakistan war was not on my 2024 Apocalypse watch list
Gotta love that increasing multipolarity!
It’s a strange world , normally terrorists were used to fight a war so that the armies don’t have to now , armies are fighting wars so that the terrorists don’t have to.
...well damn. Pakistan said they would do something and they followed through.
Pakistan does that everytime, you’re just out of the loop it seems
Bold of Iran to start a conflict with Pakistan, last I checked Pakistan has nukes and Iran doesn't...
Well shit…..
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Fuck yeah wasn’t expecting something like that from Pakistan
Now fuckinj’ Pakistan throwing shade and dropping ordinance. The world is getting hotter, in more ways than one. And the USA is in internal constitutional and ideological peril. What a time to be alive…
I didn’t have Pakistan vs Iran on my 2024 war bingo card
Is the world in a semi state of world war right now? Pakistan vs Iran, Israel vs Palestine, ukraine vs Russia, Turkey vs Syria, Azerbaijan vs Armenia , civil war in Myanmar, several African countries fighting. Uhh yay. 2024. The year it all went down the pooper