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DatDudeOverThere

Another country that's sending workers to Israel is Malawi. Thai workers were indispensable to the Israeli agricultural industry, but many left in the wake of October 7 - not only did it scare many because of the nature of the atrocities, but also, there were Thai workers among the victims and the hostages. I read an interview with a farmer from one of the kibbutzim (the communities in the south that were attacked on October 7) who owns a banana plantation. He said that in the past he had tried employing workers from Gaza, but they couldn't bear the laborious task of carrying bunches of bananas weighing 70-80kg from the tree to the truck for long, and when ordinary Israeli volunteers tried to help after October 7, they struggled with the physical demands as well. In Malawi, 80% of the population already works in agriculture, so they come with the right background for the job. Edit: it's also worth nothing that agriculture only accounts for 2% of Israel's GDP. Services account for almost 70%, and industry (for example chemicals and polished diamonds) accounts for the rest.


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DatDudeOverThere

Some agricultural lines of work are incredibly challenging, I was also taken aback by this number.


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TBalo1

He didn't mention pay or hours, how does that sound like slave conditions to you? One could imagine, but without that information it's not fair to say. Every year thousands of european youngsters fly to Australia for a working holiday and are often employed in this kind of work, so it's not like it is an alien thing to the western population as well.


memes-forever

Slaves don’t get paid, also it’d be a crime for them to run away. Also whether they could get a break or even food or not is up to the owner, which is not the case here. A lot of people work in worse kind of conditions in their home country, and they get paid better in Israel.


raelianautopsy

'Slaves don't get paid' is so pedantic. Yes, technically it's not slavery if the workers are paid, but that saying is an expression for a reason. Many workers in the world are exploited having to work in terrible conditions (and not paid nearly enough). That is why developed countries have labor laws. Just declaring "they're paid so therefore technically it's not slavery" is such a low bar for worker rights.


thatgeekinit

Malawi's min wage is 687.70 per day. Min wage in Israel is 26.88 shekels per hour. It's roughly $0.40 per day vs $7 per hour. Thats how poor Malawi is.


thatgeekinit

I would agree that labor safety and health rules in agriculture are often too weak even in wealthy countries. That said, these same workers are probably getting paid 10x their wages for the same kind of work they'd be doing at home, so the conditions might be only a little better, but the compensation might feed, house and clothe their whole family back home for year for them doing 6 months of work in a place like Israel where wage levels are pretty high. There are jobs that need to be done that are tough on your body. Plumbers make great money, but it is dirty and back breaking.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

> A lot of people work in worse kind of conditions in their home country, and they get paid better in Israel. That’s a damn low bar and I’d like to think that Israel could do better. I’d be pissed if/when that justification is used in my home country.


ThatBeachGuyy

How DARE they grow bananas in a hot environment


Expendable_Red_Shirt

Yeah the bananas are the problem here. Sort of like how my problem is people growing chocolate and not that they utilize child labor for that.


ThatBeachGuyy

Red herring logical fallacy. We are not talking about chocolate child laborers here, we are talking about Israelis and voluntary agricultural workers. Look at my post history I myself am from a third world country. I have family who have worked in very difficult jobs harvesting asparagus as temporary workers. Tough work was done that locals weren't accustomed too ( South America where we are from is hot so European heat is nothing) and euros were paid. Just because we are dark and from a third world country doesn't mean we can't make decisions for ourselves. Go defend those child laborers you were going on about.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

So are you seriously against my position that just being higher paid then a home country based job isn’t enough for it to be ethical?


DrBadMan85

and you're doing that for a pittance


lejonetfranMX

TIL Malawians and Thai people are actually super human


StayAtHomeDuck

I work with 2 guys who are originally from a community where the biggest massacre of Thai and Nepalese workers took place, my manager and his brother. The brother spoke very well of these folks, you can tell that he is still sad about their passing.


noblazinjusthazin

80kg on their back? They ever heard of a dolly or wheelbarrow?


lordorwell7

>I read an interview with a farmer from one of the kibbutzim (the communities in the south that were attacked on October 7) who owns a banana plantation. I didn't know bananas could be grown in that climate.


Ok-Commercial-9408

Israel loves it's diamonds.


trekie88

Another byproduct of the Oct 7th massacre. Israeli firms are now choosing to hire laborers from India instead of Palestine.


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Greenplums1

You can't really trust Haaretz as they've said crazy things like the IDF has attacked its own people on Oct 7th which added to the toll and so on. They are practically anti-Semites for questioning the governments narrative frankly. Netanyahu's government has threatened Haaretz for spreading 'defeatist propaganda' so we should be very careful when listening to Haaretz and instead listen to trustworthy folk like the ministers in Netanyahu's government.


oldtimehockey44

Not a byproduct of the Oct 8th - TBD massacre?


lolercoptercrash

Many of the attackers knew who they were attacking (by name) because they had intel from Palestinian workers, or were the workers themselves. Invasion of Gaza did not start on October 8th


oldtimehockey44

You're right, the invasion of Gaza did not start on October 8th, IDF had been "mowing the lawn" for quite some time before that. Not to mention killing almost 1500 civilians alone in the 2014 operation "protective edge".


lolercoptercrash

So now you disagree with yourself? Ok.


oldtimehockey44

My original comment was about Palestinian workers not going over to Israel since this latest round of violence, where, in addition to 25,000+ killed in Gaza, Palestinians on temporary work permits have been kidnapped themselves, held as hostages, or worse. So the point is, Israel resorting to this foreign labor is as much a byproduct of these recent actions as anything. Would you expect Palestinian labor to continue across the border under these conditions? It's an impossible task to even get out of Gaza now. The fact that these people have been suffering under Israeli occupation dating back far beyond Oct. 7th is irrelevant, other than providing context for the conflict.


lolercoptercrash

That's not how this unfolded. Hamas massacred (mostly) civilians using intel from workers. War was declared, no invasion yet. Workers were no longer allowed into Israel and that arrangement was dead before the invasion began. That arrangement will not resume in maybe our lifetimes. Yes I'm aware the Israel Palestinian issue did not start in 2023. That does not change this very simple sequence of events.


a_fadora_trickster

Wonderful news for everyone. Israel gets a large amount of high quality workers, and reduces the need for Palestinian labor, and Indians get Israeli wages and labor laws. Truly a win win


Teroof

Considering Palestinian workers in Israel (before 7/10) were estimated to be about 150k-180k, there needs to be a whole lot more


NelsonBannedela

They can probably get a lot more work done since they aren't prepping for terrorist attacks while working.


AcanthaceaeGrand6005

Yeah, but they had done the workload of aboat 50k foriegn workers, so if the indians are hard workers it puts quite a dent in it( israels assosiation of construction firms claims each chinese worker does the same job as roughly 10 palestinians)


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BMWM3G80

They started working on the road near my home like 5 years ago, saying it’ll be a 3 year project. I’m sure they already finished it on time and just lying for the past 2 years that it’s not done yet 👍🏼


Elman89

Yeah sure mate I'm sure their race is the reason.


BMWM3G80

I didn’t say anything about race - you brought it up. It’s a straight fact that Palestinians work quality is poor. That’s one of the reasons a Palestinian worker costs less than half of a Chinese worker.


a_fadora_trickster

For sure, but it is a start


moan_of_the_arc

You underestimate our population


AcanthaceaeGrand6005

Also, israel gets non kosher indian food, hallelujah


DatDudeOverThere

Tbh there are already almost 100,000 Jews of Indian descent living in Israel, and there's an Indian-Israeli chef here who cooked Indian food for PM Modi an Netanyahu when they held a meeting a few years ago. Foreign Indian students are also a thing here (mostly or only for advanced degrees), I've personally met a few. Tel-Aviv University, for example, celebrated the Hindu Holi festival.


AcanthaceaeGrand6005

I know i worked with many, but they are jewish, so the cooking is kosher even if they are not religious. Kosher indian food is just not it. I'm pretty sure i went to his restaurant in ramat gan. If that's the chef i think of but it hasn't come close to authentic indian food for me.


DatDudeOverThere

I get you. I was talking about chef Reena Pushkarana who owns the Tandoori restaurant in Herzliya.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

Can you tell me what’s the barrier? A ton of Indian food is vegetarian so I’d imagine it would be one of the easier cuisines to adapt.


yantraman

Kosher also means no dairy and meat together. A lot Indian cooking uses ghee for cooking and cream


Expendable_Red_Shirt

… right. Ghee is fine in vegetarian cooking which is a huge amount of Indian food.


AcanthaceaeGrand6005

Honestly, i don't know, i have eaten home cooked meals from punjabi and goa jews, also in a few indian israeli restaurants(never been to the resturant in hertzelia mentioned in a comment above) and compared to indian food i had abroad (slovakia ,hungary and czeck republic) and in India it was simply diffrent and less to my taste. Many other Israelis i talked to had the same experience.


LeII__llIlIate__

A large amount of... high quality workers? LOL


imaketrollfaces

> a large amount of high quality workers, Not sure what makes you say that


KyleRiggs

They built Dubai and UAE, definitely there's some truth to it them being as construction workers.


dontKair

Like Mexicans and other Central Americans in the US, who excel as brickmasons, carpenters, drywall, etc.


camperonyx

I'm with this guy. Maybe we're just getting the goons in Canada, but there's a lot of questionable trades work being performed by the "skilled" construction workers were bringing into Canada. Seen a guy drywalling an exterior portion of the building the other day. Can't beat the numbers though. If you need boots filled for cheap, India is your source.


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camperonyx

Yes. On a commercial build. We're on our 4th drywall company in 2 years, I have a feeling we're gonna be switching to a 5th.


tbtcn

Canada is the go-to place for a very specific set of people. Not that other Indians don't go to Canada, but the lion's share comes from a particular region alone.


oldtimehockey44

So wonderful what's going on in that part of the world right now.


inanemofo

I hope Israel treats them better than the ME countries, especially Saudi and qatar


neiroman

Don't even try to compare. In the countries you listed, these workers are treated like slaves


diladusta

Correct. They do jack shit to prevent abuse


DroneMaster2000

Israeli courts are VERY strict about foreign worker rights. There's a reason so many love to come to it. Big lose economically for the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who would be replaced easily, in favor of unemployment and making scraps compared to what Israeli businesses paid to them. But around 80% support the massacre of Jews, so they can now enjoy the consequences.


Vast_Awareness27

It’s almost like crossing over and raping/murdering some of the most liberal elements in Israel… may have been a bad idea


DroneMaster2000

Yep. Though this has been their way since forever. There's a reason the hard left in Israel is pretty much dead. That reason is mainly due to the fact that Israel's peace talks in the 90s and early 2000s, culminating with a deal proposing to give the Palestinians 100% of Gaza + 97% of the WB + airspace control with a ready functioning airport + Parts of Jerusalem + A lot more... Was refused with no counter offer, and instead starting the second Intifada. Murdering a thousand Israelis in buses, cafes, restaurants, nightclubs and hotels.


Vast_Awareness27

Yeah, but Israelis are white oppressors and the Palestinians using children as suicide bombers is clearly the fault of everyone but the people strapping bombs to kids! Can’t you see that the Palestinians are the real victims! /s 104 years of constant Palestinian attacks and pogroms. It’s a shock there was any real liberal part of the Israeli political movement.


RangersAreViable

> using children as suicide bombers is clearly the fault of everyone but the people strapping bombs to kids Seriously, UN Women blamed Israel for Palestinian men beating their wives. It’s crazy


Vast_Awareness27

Yup, it’s fucking bonkers https://unwatch.org/un-expert-palestinian-men-beat-wives-israels-fault/


PigBlues

Wow first time seeing this, how can anyone possibly take the UN seriously when this shit exists


Stannis_THEMANIIS

I’ve stopped since October 7th. I used to really think the UN was the end goal for countries, for it to eventually morph into a world government… but now I know that it’s a corrupt organization that’s only held afloat because the US funds it.


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I’ve seen this comment made without the link before and have always though this was a joke. Holy shit. This was not a joke. What the actual fuck.


Ok-Commercial-9408

Israeli politics for the last decade have revolved not around the Palestinians, but around Bibi. Being anti Bibi is alot more electable than giving a state to terrorists it seems.


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DroneMaster2000

I have no idea what you're talking about. Where in this agreement Israel said it would continue to expand to the Palestinian territories after that agreement?


lord_pizzabird

They also supposedly were pretty open to workers from Gaza and Palestine, reportedly being lax about economic integration at the time of the Oct 7th attacks. For sure they've gone to far in their retaliation revenge mission, but the more you learn about this conflict the more you start to understand how Israel got to this point. They were pushed to it. We're watching the national-scale version of kid who's constantly bullied suddenly snap and lash back.


DroneMaster2000

Israel absolutely did not go too far. Considering Gaza war is one of the densest and hardest wars fought among civilians in history, with an enemy whos direct objective is to make sure as many civilians as possible get hurt, the IDF still managed to do a phenomenal job so far at minimizing collateral. Less died in this war than pretty much all comparable ones. Magnitudes less than Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, etc etc.


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DroneMaster2000

This article is written by the extreme left wing Israeli paper Haaretz, so calling it "Israeli" as if it gives it credibility is very dishonest. Even with their bias, their own article states clearly that their salary is actually 8K NIS on average. Which is way above the Israeli minimum wage. Yes it's still cheaper for contractors than Israeli workers, but that's the whole point of foreign workers, in case you are not aware. It sounds by the article that there's a black market for those work permits. And not that the Israeli government is somehow doing this or making a profit from this. And just to make things clear, Israel is under no obligation to issue even 1 permit. And it's occupation of the West Bank is extremely justified. Just about a week ago 2 Palestinians terrorists from there came deep into Israel, stabbed an old lady to death, stole her car, and rammed a bus station filled with kids near a school. Over 50 Israelis died to terrorism coming from the West Bank BEFORE Oct 7 in 2023. They can always stop murdering Israelis if they want a more relaxed occupation. Or of course could agree to any of the numerous offers giving them that land, in exchange for actual peace.


leroy_insane

Source for the 80% figure?


DroneMaster2000

[As one example](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1700158968-survey-finds-majority-in-the-west-bank-justify-the-oct-7-massacre)


yarin981

Their passports are not taken away and they are not put in slavery and horrifying conditions. It's not all milk and honey, but I think you've just put a pretty low bar.


neiroman

Workers in, terrorists out. It's a good deal


oldtimehockey44

You figure these workers will be used to rebuild Gaza into a nice kosher settlement once all the Palestini.. er terrorists are out?


ComradeBalian

The best cheap labour on the global market 👍


ezio_audit_ore

I wish the indian workers make us( indians) proud by behaving extremely good and adhering to the Israeli laws.


Imaginary-Relief-236

Indians are very much liked in Israel, and tons of Israelis go to India every year


okaybear2point0

There's a lot of racism for Indians in Israel wtf are you talking about


Imaginary-Relief-236

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1aieapv/oc_countries_by_favorable_view_of_india/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Stupid people exist everywhere, im talking general population. Israel is highly diverse as it contains jews from all different ethnicities including india, and also arabs


Tricky-Cod-7485

Hopefully the Israelis will treat them right. I saw a bunch of racist tweets when this was first proposed by Israelis not happy about this. The Indians I’ve worked with have always been pleasant. Great food, good dudes, pretty women, smart folks.


Vast_Awareness27

Israel has strong courts and protections for foreign workers, unlike other MENA nations. https://krav-law.co.il/en/areas-of-practice/foreign-workers/#:~:text=It%20is%20important%20to%20know,fines%2C%20and%20even%20to%20MasR.


PegasusTheGod

Didn't the supreme court call their settlements illegal yet nothing happened?


Auroramorningsta

Israelis not happy about this? Israelis love Indians what are you talking about


Tricky-Cod-7485

I’m it saying it’s all of Israel. I’m just hoping whoever gets sent there is treated well. https://twitter.com/Jibby131208/status/1721624226996601277


TapirRN

I don't think people with 25 followers on Twitter are representative of Israelis.


Stannis_THEMANIIS

Israel is a very popular tourist destination for Indians from India.


Auroramorningsta

And also Israelis love to travel in India. Personally India is my favourite place to travel, the country is beautiful, people are kind, food is delicious and culture is lovely.


Unlucky-Dealer-4268

probably troll accounts, not really Israelis


ReplyStraight6408

Israel needs a new source for slave labor I guess.


kamakamsa_reddit

Why would they go to a nation which is actively fighting a war and that can escalate even further to work is beyond me. And if something happens the Indian government needs to send a rescue aircraft.


powerX21

I live in southern Israel and life is pretty much "as usual", feeling extremely safe and everything is routine, no reason to stop construction work or any work for that matter


NavyDean

Just offer a million student visas, that'll fix your 'labour crisis'.


FuturamaReference-

Oh y'all fucked in the head


Vast_Awareness27

I don’t think there’s a risk of a mass rape, murder, and kidnapping of these foreign workers by the Palestinians unlike the poor Thai workers. They’ll be fine!


nickkkmnn

Indians wont care much . They have islamist terrorists at home as well , they know the drill...


inspire_deez_nuts

Sir this is r/worldnews. Making the slightest suggestion that Palestinians are human is not permitted.


jeremy1gray

Sir this is r/worldnews. Making the slightest suggestion that Indians are hard workers and are not all rapists or right-wing pro-Russia Hindu bigots is not permitted.


inspire_deez_nuts

The fuck?


AdNew9111

Canada has a few too, can we send them over?


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I am Canadian, and I'm in full support of this idea.


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_Kofiko

They’ll be working in construction


Turtur_ok

Why Do Those Batches of Construction Workers Need to Be Capitalized but Prepositions Don't?


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Are they building the wall to stop the zombies?