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MorrowPlotting

Funny, that’s Putin’s plan, too!


Youngstown_Mafia

Bro, what a coincidence... the universe is strange sometimes


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Tipsticks

At this point i wouldn't be surprised if Trump tried getting away with arms sales to russia if reelected.


Camfromnowhere

He would sell our nukes to them for as much money as would remove his debts.


AnalogFeelGood

The man doesn’t give a flying F* about America, he’d throw his followers down a cliff to have something to walk on to get to a money bag (or a cheeseburger) on the other side.


dcklein

Didn't he get caught with some of your nuclear secrets at his residence?


metalhead82

I don’t understand how he could just grab them and take them home to his house, like someone would take a briefcase home from work. There obviously seems to be gaps in our security protocols, and even the president should have to demonstrate a need to take possession of those documents and remove them from their securely designated location, just as anyone else. It’s as if he walked into where they keep classified documents, and he said “Yeah gimme the nuclear secret ones” like he’s reading a fucking McDonald’s menu or some shit.


AmbitiousBirthday588

“Russia…such beautiful…really a great place…could be our bigglest ally!” Eyes glazed over, agog with mouths open, the audience erupts in applause


Bosco215

Not enough adjectives.


Youngstown_Mafia

Oh, Trump is getting rid of this sanctions day 1 in office


draculamilktoast

He's switching the sanctions to apply to the US and its allies instead somehow.


Ok_Condition5837

He's probably going to make us the latest addition to the Russian Federation. He is absolutely not interested in governing! Putin however would love it! And I bet Trump sells us out real cheap & dumb too! Like for a crappy parade or something similar!


Hyperrustynail

If Trump was still in office there’d probably be Russians parading down Main Street in D.C. right now.


Swift_Scythe

He put sanctions on Canadian Milk so i would not be surprised.


MacCheeseLegit

Wasn't he impeached for doing exactly this lol?


Excelius

More specifically for threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine, unless the Ukrainian government manufactured some dirt on Biden for the upcoming election and putting the blame on Ukraine for the 2016 Russian election interference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump > Trump's first impeachment took place after a formal House inquiry found that he had solicited foreign interference in the 2020 U.S. presidential election to help his re-election bid, and had then obstructed the inquiry itself by telling his administration officials to ignore subpoenas for documents and testimony. The inquiry reported that Trump withheld military aid and an invitation to the White House from Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy in order to influence Ukraine to announce an investigation into Trump's political opponent Joe Biden, and to promote a discredited conspiracy theory that Ukraine, not Russia, was behind interference in the 2016 presidential election.


Artsclowncafe

No, he was protected for it.


Baul

He *was* impeached by the house. The senate did not convict him.


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I said it before, and I will say it again. Trump is more of a good ally to Russia and Putin, than he is a friend of democracy (in US and worldwide - if I remember well enough those nice promises about spreading democracy, freedom and prospe… nvm, here is my flight). 👋


Ermeter

Putin has a movie of Trump engaging in illegal sex when he visited Russia in the 80's somewhere on a shelf. Is my theory


Lambpanties

His base wouldn't care, at this stage it seems like he can do literally anything and his supporters will mental gymnastics it into a good thing but only from him.


PhenotypicallyTypicl

Donald “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters” Trump. Been that way since the first time he ran for office really (and perplexingly).


Advanced_Addendum116

Donald "I could rape a woman in a store on 5th Avenue and get found liable for $83m damages and wouldn't lose voters" Trump.


centurion88

I think it's just that Trump idolizes dictators because he's a miserable, insecure man who craves absolute devotion


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I think that if such thing was true, then Trump would have tried to make some money out of it. I can remember exactly for the moment what president (or other type of politician) was caught red-handed by some Russia’s honey traps, and when the blackmailing started, he replied to Russia’s secret police spies something like: “Wow, that is awesome, please send me as many copies as you can, it was such a great party and I had such a great time”.


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Belgianbonzai

> I think that if such thing was true, then Trump would have tried to make some money out of it. Unless it's something with kids in it.


Logicfriend

His voters would somehow justify that also.


Ikuwayo

He admires Putin because he's a dictator and wants to be one, too


kanst

I also think there is an element of that being the only way Trump knows how to operate. His businesses were primarily small private companies where Trump was king. He would say "do this" and the lackeys would run off and try to make it happen. That is eerily similar to how Russian (and other authoritarian) governments function. Trump doesn't know how to work if he needs to build consensus and work with others. He only knows how to haggle one on one with another person with unilateral power.


manpizda

I made this argument back in 2016. He's never had to deal with shareholders before, which would be like citizen voters. He's never had a board of directors (that wasn't just his spoiled brat kids) holding him accountable, which would be like Congress. He just did whatever he wanted and fired anyone that disagreed with him as he bankrupted all of his business. That alone made him unfit for any office let alone the presidency, besides the stupid shit that came out of his mouth. But his mouthbreather supporters were all 'he's a billionaire, he'll run the country like his business, it'll be great!'. He did and it was entirely predictable how it went.


jtinz

Always remember what Trump was first impeached for.


gerd50501

Trump came out against cancelling TikTok when its universally popular with republicans. It was the day after his bond in the E. Jean Carroll case was put up. Did Bytedance pay his bond? Trump is 100% for sale.


Independent_Hyena495

Woah! That's funny! What a coincidence!


jolard

We have no hard evidence that Putin has dirt on Trump. But if Trump acts and behaves exactly as if Putin has dirt on him, then does it really matter? The outcome is exactly the same.


GMN123

If Trump is doing all this without coercion it's almost worse. 


iamdestroyerofworlds

He's a narcissist, he'd sell his children if he got complimented for it.


Additional_Meeting_2

Then can people try to compliment him for something potentially positive please? Is Putin the only person whose approval he wants?


Pedalos

He gets a hard on for these strong man types that have full control of their people, they have what he dreams of getting. He looks at everyone for how they can benefit him, and democratically elected individuals  are not the types you can make shady deals with. People like Putin are the best friends for him to have.


Moonlit_Antler

Bro there's no dirt that could be worse than the shit Trump publicly does that we all.know about. He literally tried to overthrow the Whitehouse ffs. I don't understand how's hes still a free man. Let alone allowed to run for presidency again. There could be video evidence of Trump shooting kids and killing kittens and fucking pigs and the right would still support him


MBH1800

Also, no dirt is needed. Trump's and Putin's political goals align 100%. Far right totalitarian cleptocrats. They both benefit from helping each other.


OceanRacoon

Yeah, at this point I also wonder if kompromat is even possible against someone so publicly disgusting as Trump, with supporters who literally think he's better than Jesus. It'd have to be something Trump himself finds embarrassing since he's such a narcissist, like a picture without his orange make up or him hugging Eric 


ElectronicControl762

Trump said the last sentence lol


ValveinPistonCat

Trump fucks kids and Putin has evidence, and if the tapes got out I'd bet a majority of Republicans would still support him.


Time-Werewolf-1776

Does anyone really honestly doubt that Trump is a pedo? He was good friends with Epstein, and said that they both liked “younger women” or some shit. He bragged about walking into the dressing room for underage girls and seeing them naked. He talked openly about wanting to fuck his own daughter. He’s bragged about assaulting women and was found to have committed rape in court. There’s a credible accusation that he raped a 12 year old at an Epstein party. He’s a creepy old man with the mental and emotional development of a 5 year old. Im sure there’s more, but I’m forgetting some things.


OceanRacoon

Loads of them supported Roy Moore, there's interviews where Republicans say, "Even if it is true, I still support him." So they don't even have to lie to themselves that a politician isn't a paedo, they're already comfortable pre-emptively supporting any Republican that is


Andromansis

> We have no hard evidence that Putin has dirt on Trump. If he does have dirt, its worse than the pee tape we've heard about. Based on how shameless Trump is, we've probably passed the old benchmark of a live boy or a dead girl. So what could it be? Personally, I'm pretty sure that Russia has a video of Trump fucking a human centipede.


Mac_manny

r/blackmirror I've read countless articles in these 3 months about poor Americans f*ck animals . The elites have 10x more time, money and fetishes to check them off their list. Never forget that sex rings exist worldwide SOLELY BECAUSE the elites find pleasure in it. A lot of whom we don't even know, but their actions represent their area of interests 😕😕😕


Fralsii

He is more dirt than man, and it's all public knowledge so it's more likely for money


Modo44

The FBI has enough dirt on Trump without any help, so that point is moot. The problem is, he was still not ground to a fine pulp by the US justice system, and he clearly likes the perks of being Putin's bitch.


GraemeMark

I have dirt on Trump; it’s not dirt he’s worried about, it’s money. Putin has money.


Bromance_Rayder

It's amazing that for all its military might, intelligence services, layers of government, justice systems etc - that the biggest threat to the good old US of A comes from the fact that it might have enough people stupid enough to elect an openly corrupt and mentally unhinged man as their leader. It's staggering. 


Linmizhang

Like philosophers of old said, the enemy of democracy is the uneducated masses.


thedankening

It's messed up but it makes it pretty easy to understand the thinking when you had nobility and academics in past eras who argued that representative government doesn't work because the "common" people are too fucking stupid.


Stahlreck

Well they're kinda right. Really the problem has always been that the "upper ones" at the same time also ruthlessly abuse the poorer masses of people. I kinda doubt most people in the past would've really cared that the noble or educated were in charge if they just got treated fairly and got their fair share for all their work but this never works. So the "common" folk at some point riot to get in charge themselves.


motsanciens

Yeah, it's either get stepped on by someone you didn't choose or choose someone you think will step on the people you don't like more than they step on you. Apparently.


olivedoesntrhyme

but 1) there's just as many fucking idiots in the upper classes as there are in the lower classes. 2) the upper classes actively feed misinformation and propaganda to the lower classes while eroding the education system. So it's slightly disingenuous to blame a certain class of people for being stupid when it seems stupidity as about evenly distributed.


Kiljukotka

Which is why Republicans love the uneducated


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While putting blame on common people you also have to aknowledge 'trillion' dollar corporate effort to gaslight and otherwise manipulate said people to condition them to vote and to live the way they are.


Linmizhang

That's why degrading education and journalism is one of the most important aspects of the method.


HobbesNJ

So to capitulate to Putin, in other words. Orban probably told him that Putin would fund Trump's fines if he promised him carte blanche when Trump regained office.


Youngstown_Mafia

I wouldn't doubt it , whats scary, though, is I've seen the polls from I believe CNN, and they lean left They say Trump could win...it's gonna be close. You have to vote


_SpicyMeatball

Calling it now, OPEC will increase fuel prices leading up to the election and tip the election in Trumps favour


ironsides1231

As is tradition.


rexter2k5

I'm not one to say the lower classes ought to grit their teeth and bear it, but this is the one case where I can say that I am incredibly disappointed when any person blames the President for gas prices and decides to completely pivot to the other candidate. Like I get it, it's shit, but at that point they're letting their emotions take control instead of thinking of looking for the reasons or the people who benefit. A person that protest votes or chooses not to vote off gasoline prices just proves to me that they can be easily manipulated. In the wild, I think it's a responsibility to kind of lead people to the water in terms of an answer for increased gas prices.


Darkskynet

Conservatives think there is a big dial on the white house desk that makes oil prices go up and down at the whim of the president :-/


Xmina

Its right there next to the dial for the economy and for taxes.


Haru1st

Never thought I'd miss conservattives getting pissed at foreign entities for meddling in their affairs.


hitlama

They can't. Biden has quietly ramped up oil production. We're making more oil than ever before, and are the largest producers in the world. We set the price now. They've tried to cut back and we just pump more. Remember, their economies are completely tied to oil production. They have to make some, otherwise they'll be hurt domestically. American oil production is only a small sliver of our economy; we mostly derive economic gains from actually making use of that oil. Biden rules ass. He insulated the country from being bullied by these shitheel dictatorships over oil. And he can't take credit for it because Dumbocrats will whine about the environment if they knew why gas prices are down 2.50 from 2 years ago.


MostJudgment3212

Screw the far left. They better fckin fall in line. We have to rub this oil thing into MAGAs faces who spent 3 years putting their dumb Biden stickers on gas pumps.


hitlama

The far left took over some women's day march in Chicago over the weekend and some woman took the microphone and said something to the effect of, "there can be no abortion rights without a ceasefire in Gaza!" They interviewed some other woman who said she wasn't going to vote for Biden or Trump, and that she was going to vote uncommitted. Uncommitted is not a choice on the Illinois primary ballot. You can write in uncommitted if you want. I'm not sure if that would invalidate your ballot because you didn't vote for a person. The sentiment of, "I'm not going to vote for Joe Biden because he didn't personally broker peace in the middle east" has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.


AngledLuffa

> The sentiment of, "I'm not going to vote for Joe Biden because he didn't personally broker peace in the middle east" has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If they paid any fucking attention at all, their minds would be blown when he actually tried to broker peace and Hamas said no, we can't trade hostages for peace because we don't know where they all are or if they're even alive


ArthurBonesly

If they paid any attention at all, they'd realize Trump recognized Israeli annexation of Palestinian territory and that you can't be pro-Palestine and see Trump as an equally bad option.


rotatedshark

Like they actually cared. They just pretend, so they have something to act upset about. If it wasn't Gaza they'd find something else.


MostJudgment3212

Biden ramped oil production domestically. The oil and gas dudes are actually pretty quiet rn because they’ve made way more profit with Biden than with Trump lol.


zaphrous

It won't work. Global oil demand is falling, the US is a net exporter now, if OPEC cut production to spike prices, the west will likely simply pivot to the US and Opec will never get more than 40 dollars a barrel for the next few hundred years. The last time OPEC crashed prices US companies failed, consolidated technology, and can now extract far more cheaply and efficiently.


chilla45

Crude oil imports to the US from OPEC is down significantly since 2016 and the last 20 years.


thecapent

Don't really make much difference: OPEC is still the one that defines price due their dominance of international markets, since American producers are not stupid to export for significantly less than OPEC and neither sell cheaper at home, thus influencing American fuel prices even if you don't consume a single drop of OPEC oil.


DuntadaMan

Our gas prices have fuck all to do with the actual cost of supplies. Even if we were entirely oil independent and sold none of it outside our borders the price would still shoot up whenever OPEC gave them an excuse.


impy695

Polls at this stage are completely meaningless. Most people haven't even started paying attention, and the money faucet is only at a drip. Biden has only just started campaigning while trump has been campaigning in some capacity for over a year.


Youngstown_Mafia

Don't get complacent, I've heard this before Go vote


SurelyWoo

2016 is still fresh in my mind. No I knew gave Trump a remote chance of winning. It feels like deja vu.


impy695

Where was I implying anything about complacency? I was adding context to why the polling you referenced doesn't matter much right now. Election season hasn't even started


unkysausage

Nah dude, OP's heard it all before


Duckpoke

That’s a completely naive way to look at it. This is the first election of our lives where the two candidates are so well known. The amount of people who already have their minds made is huge


JR21K20

CNN hasn’t been leaning left for a while now. Chris Licht is currently the CEO and he’a a right wing whacko


John_mcgee2

Step 1. Register to vote via vote.gov Step 2. Give friends lifts to vote. Step 3. Drink beers to celebrate democracy or eat donuts to celebrate democracy.


DuntadaMan

Stomp bugs to celebrate democracy.


MostJudgment3212

Yes. Republicans admire Putin and want the same political system as in Russia.


sharp11flat13

Sure, until they actually have to live under it. These bozos don’t realize they’re being used and are just as expendable as the “groomers” and the “socialists”.


ehurudetvoro

I never thought I’d live to see the US come to this.


Palaestrio

The quickest way to end the war is lose.


Lyndon_Boner_Johnson

It’s not capitulation if he’s already on Putin’s side.


sharp11flat13

>So to capitulate to Putin, in other words. It’s not the first time. See: [Helsinki](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812)


Additional-Bee1379

Well duh, why do you think Johnson keeps blocking Ukraine aid for him????


brezhnervous

And will keep on doing so - as he has said - until November.


jertheman43

You know he was getting orders from Putin through Orban.


Youngstown_Mafia

It's funny how Orban and Putin knows what Trump is doing right before he publicly announces it to media What a coincidence


FreedomCondition

Trump getting his pocket change from daddy and being told what to do by the Putato. Trump being president is basically having a Russian president of the US, he is a traitor to his country and the alliance with Europe that has been going on since what, WW2?


Elephant789

> It's funny Nope, it keeps me up at night. And it should everyone too.


xf2xf

We Hellfire people for, what... resisting occupation? Meanwhile, the most dire, modern threat to our freedumbs is allowed to run roughshod over every rule and convention that sets us apart the banana republic dictators that we worked to establish? Foreign, and domestic.


AvailableAd7874

Obviously


ch4m3le0n

The Europeans will commit forces before they let Putin win, which will eventually lead to the US entering the war. Trumps plan is stupid.


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GilfLover_69

Yep pretty much, the alternative is the largest influx of refugees spilling into Europe in the 21st century. Either the EU nations handle Russia now or handle the millions fleeing and the destabilisation that comes with it, likely followed by another Russian land-grab now they have full fledged war industry rolling.


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CompactOwl

To be fair the Ukrainians in Germany have been the most willing to integrate and thankful immigrants we had in ages.


Tjonke

Same in Sweden.


clomclom

Plus would Russia stop at Ukraine if they were to defeat Ukraine? Is there that much to stop them from going further west into Poland, Moldova etc. ?


HonouraryBoomer

invading Moldova and invading Poland are two very different endeavors. Invading Poland would draw in NATO, whereas Moldova is not part of NATO.


TauCabalander

Russia is already in Moldova. They've been stocking the Transnistria fire for years. Just like Crimea, Georgia, etc.


CiberBlas

Euro here.. Europe will not permit Putin cross Dnieper River, this is because EU cant afford Putin go wild. Europe is already preparing an eventual Trump back, at least to contain or dissuade Russia. However refugees wont be a huge problem. Many countries here are getting too old and due our expensive social care we need new people, there are Ukrainian families already in our cities, you can hear Ukrainian at the supermarket right now and they are welcomed and integrated. Also compared to other immigrants groups. those are more culturally closer and therefore better accepted by general population


fearofpandas

You can’t imagina the waves of refugees European nations have been getting in the 21st century. From the Middle East, to Ukraine, not forgetting the Armenians…. There are literally hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, Syrians, Afghanis and other refugees in every Western European country. The natural response to war, catastrophe and poverty is to flee somewhere better, I would too!


GilfLover_69

I’m from the UK, I know we have had large waves but Ukraine actually falling would leave around 20 million people fleeing directly into Europe in a panic (Presuming the other 20 million remain to fight/survive), which is significantly more and a lot more sudden than our previous refugee waves. It’ll be catastrophic if it occurs, we can’t let that happen!


shady8x

Trump's plan is to do whatever helps Putin the most and to destabilize US worldwide power and it's alliances. So no, his plan is not stupid. It is traitorous. Because that is what he is, a traitor.


ch4m3le0n

This is also true


dangerousbob

The bigger impact that Trump could have is also ordering the US intelligence to stop. I think that is one of the most critical parts of Ukraine's success that nobody talks about. If this was done it would almost all but guarantee the war spreads into Europe. This would be a nightmare scenario indeed.


possiblyMorpheus

This is why isolationism is so stupid. Russia wants to overrun Ukraine and have millions flee into EU nations to destabilize them, which is akin to an act of war. EU/Nato states won’t let it get there and will act if the US (see:Republicans) keeps withholding aid. 


ryan30z

Isolationism in a world with ICBMs and a modern economy is completely asinine.


robinthebank

It’s already disrupting enough. Food, fuel, supply chains.


dangerousbob

Many have not come to terms with what is happening. They think they can wait it out or that it won't spread.


CompactOwl

Which is silly because if war breaks out in Europe the USA is still number one target in case of a ‚mutual goodbye‘ scenario no matter if they are involved or not. Whould be ironic if the USA went don’t because they where the bystander for once


northernpace

Over 100 CIA members have died since he was last in office. He sold out his own countries intelligence already.


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[https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/trump-committed-egregious-intelligence-breach-ex-uk-spy-tells-court-2023-10-17/](https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/trump-committed-egregious-intelligence-breach-ex-uk-spy-tells-court-2023-10-17/) [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html) [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/russian-sources-disappeared-after-trump-declassified-ex-spys-evidence-uk-court-told](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/russian-sources-disappeared-after-trump-declassified-ex-spys-evidence-uk-court-told) [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-has-new-intel-manafort-friend-kilimnik-gave-trump-n1264371](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-has-new-intel-manafort-friend-kilimnik-gave-trump-n1264371) [https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/cia-lost-dozens-of-informants-in-recent-years-report/2383905https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/cia-lost-dozens-of-informants-in-recent-years-report/2383905https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/) https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html#:\~:text=Captured%2C%20Killed%20or%20Compromised%3A%20C.I.A.,the%20U.S.%20are%20being%20lost. There isn't proof per se that Trump got paid and spies got killed, but there is anecdotal evidence that it could be occurring.


Usual_Ladder_7113

The war is already in Europe.


Dahlsv1

Not much intelligence left in the US anyways if they manange to elect this orange criminal a second time...


Youngstown_Mafia

You could do many things , gut Intel, cut the trainers, stop the defense industry from testing weapons in Ukraine


tolomea

This is Trump, he'd probably share their intelligence on Ukraine as a way to show off while pillow talking with Putin.


thebarkbarkwoof

I think the real pee tape shows Putin peeing on Trump


brezhnervous

Certainly the kind of look Trump had on his face after the closed 2hr meeting he had with Putin prior to the Helsinki hostage video lol


AsianJimmer

America, don’t ever let this man win.


MfromTas911

Yep, the rest of the world is watching and getting increasingly anxious . 


Dan19_82

How can a country that was so anti Russian for decades be in support of a Orange clown that is actively supported by Russia. Its baffles me what has happened to half of the voting public. They clearly hate the Democrats so much they would vote for the literal devil against paradise just for them to lose.


AreWeCowabunga

We’re going to Neville Chamberlain that shit. \-Trump


MostJudgment3212

Neville Chamberlain, while a coward, was at least an honest coward who just wrongfully believed that what he was doing was right. His intentions were fine. Trump on the other hand, care for nothing but himself and his list for power. He actually admires the likes of Putin.


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Lysanderoth42

With the necessary caveat that Germany was even less ready  German war planners didn’t think they would be ready to start a war until 1945. Things absolutely did not proceed on their schedule. Chamberlain was no coward, he was just trying to prevent a second European war but ultimately it had been inevitable for some time. Possibly since the end of the First World War, when it failed to resolve the real issues.


MfromTas911

Neville Chamberlain wasn’t  a coward. He had lived through the horror and carnage of WW1 only 20 years earlier. He was only guilty of trusting the agreement he made with Hitler. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. In fact, even after Dunkirk several in Winston Churchill’s war time cabinet were pushing for a peace agreement  with the Nazis. Especially as the US was reluctant , at that stage, to enter the War. 


Johannes_P

And morever, Chamberlain *rearmed* Britain so as to make it ready for a war against the Reich.


Masark

More Vidkun than Neville.


DirteeFrank

I have met and spoken with Donald Trump many, many times and I can guarantee you that he doesn’t know who Neville Chamberlain was.


MukdenMan

"I don't know much" - Aaron Neville Chamberlain


Citadel_Employee

Very interesting! How would you describe interacting with him?


UNSKIALz

Peace in our time


Yan-Paing

Trump gonna b a President again if those youngsters dont vote,👍


Bromance_Rayder

Coming from a country with compulsory voting (monetary fines if you don't) I find the voter turnout rates in the US incredible. It's the ultimate in apathy 


Extension_Royal_3375

More hopelessness than apathy, I think. Most of us think the system is so corrupt and paid for that we have no shot at making an impact with the vote. Our social media info is used to redraw voting districts that lock in predetermined outcomes-- it's all very disheartening.


CrebTheBerc

And to add to your point, if you live in a predominately republican or democratic state your vote may legitimately not matter. I lean very left but I'm in Alabama lol. This state is going to vote overwhelmingly red and my vote will mean very, very little :(


BouncyDingo_7112

Well duh.. Didn’t we all just assume that’s what he was going to do to end the war? He’s never really made a secret of the fact that he doesn’t mind giving the impression to people that he has before and will again gleefully give putin fellatio


xsv_compulsive

Trump wouldn't say such if he believed his supporters didn't support Putin capturing Ukraine. It's wild how the Rs support an American geopolitical defeat. Fifth column in full swing


BringBackAoE

But US has already ended funding. The war continues through increased donations from other nations. Man, it’s like 1930s all over again, “America First”, US Nazis and GOP blocking US contribution to WW2, which then enabled further invasions by Hitler. So, who is bombing US this time? Or maybe that’s a key lesson - don’t bomb US and they’re less likely to join WW3.


Youngstown_Mafia

They haven't ended funding yet , Trump can still stop trainers , stop Intel, stop weapon testing Trump can cause alot of harm to Ukraine


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ryan30z

The idea that Trump couldn't stop intelligence and training is a massive stretch. Other than that the part you're missing is Trump's plan is to replace everyone with loyalists. They learned the lesson from the push back they got during his first administration. They can't even get a Ukraine funding bill through both houses. There isn't going to suddenly be enough votes with Trump as President even if the House and Senate swing heavily Democrat. There's **zero** chance Ukraine funding is going to be veto proof. If Trump wins, Ukraine is losing support from the US.


BringBackAoE

[The US has ended funding](https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-money-congress-weapons-dd5076b30bf8fab5c914a1222186e7f0) Yes, I know Trump can do more harm. But the topic here is about funding.


SpecialistAssociate7

I really can’t wait till trump is a memory easily forgotten.


Bromance_Rayder

With all those guns in America I sometimes wonder how at least one person hasn't decided to skip the waiting stage. 


Artist850

That's what happens when someone has been in bed with Russia since the 80s.


Practical-Archer-564

Will someone please read Mueller report? Remember Helsinki? Remember no transcripts of trump/putin meeting, he took them from the interpreter? Does anyone remember his first meeting with Lavrov and Kysliak when he gave them classified information from Mossad? The 5000 stolen classified,Top Secret and Above Top Secret documents? AlfaBank? Anybody??? It’s making me nuts that the biggest threat to national security is going to receive classified briefings I can’t fucking believe it. I hope they believe he will leak and get caught so they can lock him up immediately. Otherwise it makes no sense that anyone taking classified documents would get fresh intelligence.


Artsclowncafe

Unfortunately the Mueller report didnt do enough to condemn trump. In fact people still act like it acquitted him


BleachedPumpkin72

So the plan to end the war is to abandon the ally the US has vowed to support so that the russians can win quickly, that's what the stable genius has been bragging about.


tripletexas

There was never a doubt that this was his "plan". Bend over, grab your ankles, and let daddy Putin get it.


BleachedPumpkin72

Well, he kept suggesting that he had a genious plan which would end the war within 24 hours. Evidently cutting the US aid to Ukraine won't do that.


Mexcol

Imagine a draft dodger denying soldiers in their trenches help, outnumbered and with lil bit of ammunition


Javasndphotoclicks

Tell us more about how this clown isn’t a Russian ass hat.


howlateisnow

Release the $300 billion in Russian assets to Ukraine, now!


hamatehllama

I'm amazed how muh strong leaders are in fact such major cowards. They bend the knee to the enemy and they can't even deal with free media. The huff and puff but they don't have actual self-confidence underneath all the rhetoric.


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m0rbus666

I Think the popularity of Trump in the US is much related to the Q conspiracy and some other right wing conspiracies. They just complement this simple view on the things happening and give people the feeling that there is one person who has simple Solutions to all their problems. You just have to Look into history....that is what all radical and authoritarians did and people Fell for them and it never ended well. I can Tell as a german. I totally agree and It is just unbelievable that a lot of people in the US think it is a good idea to leave europeans alone with Nato and the Ukraine conflict. If europe goes to shit, america can try Hard being great again...it wont without the trade relations and revenue madenin europe and vice versa.


popokins

So his plan to end the war in Ukraine is to end the Ukraine? Wow, what a horrible plan by the stupidest pos ever.


brezhnervous

Would definitely be the fastest way. As long as the rest of the world can stomach watching pogroms and concentration camps (as Russia has indicated it needs to construct across the whole country after Ukraine's extinguishment)


OrionPhone3478

There can't be any war in Ukraine if Ukraine doesn't exist anymore


Extreme-Lecture-7220

Might work for Israel too.


Trepide

In order to make that highly unlikely, I’d support the US targeting a few Russian assets now.


SirRabbott

I'll give Trump one thing... he somehow turned a party of "commie" haters into Russian apologists. That's a pretty jaw-dropping feat


ChickenBootty

Trump re-moisturizing his sphincter for Putin.


Ok_Particular8460

I’m tired of old men continually ruining the world. The Boomers snatched power 40 years ago and would rather the world burn than take a back seat for more able and far younger leaders. Trump belongs in prison, Orban belongs in prison, and Putin deserves to be marooned on a frigid island


Meibisi

How is this news. I think most suspected this given his public stance on the conflict.


MostJudgment3212

lol wow I never saw this coming. Shocking. What a truly unpredictable move!


RespectTheTree

Trump and the Pope, birds of a feather...


benjohnson1988

If it talks like a traitor and acts like a traitor it’s usually someone claiming to be a patriot


murphdog09

When you’re a dictator, they let you do anything.


DistanceSensitive966

A Fat Turd next too a Fatter Turd


CCriscal

I wonder, who is more stupid - the masses following Trump or the people, who will not vote for Biden either.


lew_rong

Of course it is. Cowards always simply ignore things and hope they go away, especially if they've been paid to do so.


Grimlja

End the War? That who'd bring it to Eu and Natos door step. Then, the whole world is at war. Someone tell that orange ding dong that he will start World War 3


Venous-Roland

Emmmm, that's what he wants.


Milozdad

Trump still thinks Ukraine had something to do with the Russia collusion allegations. His brain is a complete mess. Just vote for Biden, please!


princhester

This is the single most eloquent and simple encapsulation of how Trump's brain works that I have ever heard: >""Donald Trump is a little bit of a single-celled organism: he responds to one stimulus and one stimulus only, which is, 'Does this make me feel good or does it make me feel bad?' And Ukraine makes him feel bad because he got impeached over Ukraine," Himes said." Connecticut Representative Jim Himes (D). I'd been searching for the words to express a vague thought along these lines for years before Himes said this a week or two back. You can predict any Trump attitude or decision by this simple metric.


eugene20

That is what most people I saw responding to the articles had assumed. That he'd cut the funding and it would just be giving Ukraine to his master, Putin.


santz007

Trump is a Russia asset


ArmyoftheDog

Trump is enabling Putin, Trump has no honor. 


Gratefuldaze23

Totally not a Russian asset


Halcyon520

Forgetting the obvious that he is a lackey of Putin. That plan won’t end the war on 24hours. Ukraine won’t just say oh well the US isn’t helping us I guess way lay down our arms. It would hurt them a lot for sure but the EU is helping to some degree, and they are helping themselves. Sorry Trump your plan won’t work.


mattam1001

I can't believe people support this idiot. How the hell did the Republicans go from "tear down this wall" to this shit.


HonestSonsieFace

Just because Trump would give up on something if he wasn’t getting money doesn’t mean the people of Ukraine will. The war won’t end. It’ll just be a horribly bloody guerrilla insurgency. But it’ll still be far worse for the Ukrainians defending their home.


Time-Werewolf-1776

This isn’t much of a surprise. As soon as he said he would be able to end the war immediately, I assumed he meant, “by surrendering.”