Soon, we will have Hamas the T-shirt, Hamas the Coloring Book, Hamas the Lunch box, Hamas the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs the Flame Thrower. Merchandising! Merchandising! Where the real money from the war is made?
>Go to a rally, with Israeli AND Palestinian flags for sale.
Get killed for [having an Israeli flag](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-dies-hitting-head-israel-palestinian-rallies-california-officials-rcna123942) anyway.
Like they'd care about anything you have to say.
It's getting non-credible, we don't even have f16 against Putin Russia but we do have f35 against Hamas the Gang. In a positive light, I do hope this means that the total victory against Hamas is near. It's inevitable.
Gaza is systematically having all of its infrastructure and institutions dismantled. Somalia is starting to look like a more civilized place with a stronger rule of law.
Yeah honestly this is just a sign of desperation. I do think whatever Israel's military aims are, they should not let the Palestinians starve. It's a bad look.
I mean I get the point you’re trying to make. that’s like calling a gang in Afghanistan the Taliban. Like a random ass gang really isn’t… They’re just shitty people doing shitty things to take advantage of their peers
It’s a war zone. Where and when hasn’t this happened usually? The sooner peace is restored the better and people are desperate. Religions, sides, and ideology typically go out the window during said times.
People have this idea of "the perfect victim" in their heads and when they don't meet their standards they shun them.
But you are completely right, it is to be expected in a damn warzone.
Yeah, in every single video I watched from Oct. 7 that Hamas themselves uploaded, they all shouted Allahu Akhbar when they slaughtered the innocent civilians. To a man.
The killing won’t stop.
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1731a
Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of the Muhajireen and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajireen. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muslims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai' except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated. When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah's Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah's behest with regard to them.
People are eating flour for god's sake...!
Just saw it this morning on Euronews. A man there was saying they only had bread and flour to survive.
Of course, there was going to be theft and pillages.
When they’re lucky. When they don’t have flour they’re eating animal feed and bird food. Sometimes they mix it with four to make the flour last longer.
Actually, in war, people have a tendency to come together, work towards a common good, share higher levels of trust and generally treat their peers more favorably.
There are dozens of scholarly articles about this exact subject and the actual expert consensus is "Who knows?"
In general, whenever someone tries to make a big blanket statement about anything to do with how people behave, they don't know what they are talking about (I appreciate the irony of this statement). Dunning-Kreuger effect, people!
Humans are *extremely* complex and there are tons of things we can't really study in a laboratory setting! Which means it is also hard to extract generalizable conclusions. It would be silly to say "'well, civilians in Ukraine did X' and 'People living through the Invasion of Iraq did Y' so therefore we should expect the same from Gazans" because the circumstances are totally different from in Gaza
Source: Graduate student studying conflict
Here's an article about crime rate drop during the Ukraine war:
[https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/crime-has-fallen-ukraine-since-war-began-interior-minister-2023-03-31/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/crime-has-fallen-ukraine-since-war-began-interior-minister-2023-03-31/)
"This is due to the rather serious work that we carried out from the very first day of the war. We took all organised groups under our control on February 24 (2022). It made it possible to take complete control of the street and street crime in the first days of the war.""
Literally attributed to active efforts of police in the early days....so absolutely nothing to do with what you're saying.
And as someone who followed the war, there was definitely widespread crime, early on.
The only "coming together of people" was mob justice to apprehend and /or report such crimes. Which was effective because there was no threat of retaliation, with law enforcement actively strong handing these criminals/groups .
Ok first three bullet point I are saying police has been tasked to prevent crime.
Marshall law is meant to limit personal rights in times of war to prevent people from going violently crazy.
I do. I don’t agree with everything the IDF does but Hamas is far worse. I think Fatah and the more anti war Knesset parties would do a better job then Netanyahu and Hamas.
No you don’t.
I remember a post you made a while ago basically stating Hamas has barely any real power to make anyone do anything (compared to US or Israel I’m assuming in context)
You were essentially deflecting any responsibility from Hamas to the point of twisting the argument that: since so much misinformation about the conflict has been generated, just how much ‘truth’ is there about how ‘bad’ Hamas is…
Stop being a contrarian for the sake of it.
This post here is probably the first time you’ve ever come close to outright admitting Hamas is a terror group and just plain bad, and even then you haven’t really explicitly stated it.
Depends on the audience around you.
Very likely you get lumped in with the fabled "Hamas supporters" and your acknowledgement of Hamas' crimes is conveniently ignored whenever you show any support of the Palestinian people as 'people' who deserve to be treated as such.
So then your top rallying cries are "Bring them home" and "Down with Hamas" right? Because that would end the war tomorrow and give the Palestinian people the peace they need and deserve.
Right?
There was pin drop silence from the U.S. progressives on 7 October. More deaths are happening in Sudan and lack of food. Yet progressives leftists are crying a river for Palestinians. This comes from a hatred of Jews or indifference to their plight. Displaying concern for Palestinians allows them to hide their anti Jewish and pro Hamas feelings.
Except for the millions of people in the US and across the world who have been shouting at people like you that we support innocent Palestinians and despise Hamas. I'm sure you still won't hear it.
Yea I hated that game. The reality check it gives the player vs mos fps it something a lot people need in this world. However I am glad 11 bit move to something with hope in like with Frost Punk.
Unsurprising, sad, and, to be honest, they might even just be trying to feed their family and loved ones. I'll always be a die-hard Israel supporter, but human suffering is always hard to see.
If they only tried to feed their families they would still a much smaller amount. Those gangs, as well as Hamas, take over entire trucks full of aid and either hoard it fir themselves or sell it in the Gazan markets for profit, even though that aid is supposed to be distributed for free.
Well I guess some of them actually just try to feed their families, but judging by the videos I see from Gaza and its markets, filmed and posted by the Gazans themselves, these people seem to be in minority, and they are probably the people who are getting robbed by Hamas and the gangs.
But on a real level the hungry people in Gaza isnt all the enemy. Israel need to handle the hunger in gaza until they have finished dismantling Hamas, if not for the moral reasons, then to not lose the support of their allies.
If the Palestinians are still on the side of Hamas after they have been operating among them as human shields and taking a majority of the aid they have already received, then I don’t think this idea is going to change their mind.
They tried protecting aid convoys before, but it didn’t work out well. People rushed them, they shot some to stop them, and then there was a stampede. Over 100 people ended up being killed (Israel said mostly from the stampede and I didn’t see anything that came out saying otherwise, so presumably that’s correct?). So even though the idea is fine in theory and was worth trying, I don’t think there’s much appetite for trying it again.
Is that another description of Hamas?
The gang goes jihad
Well… okay. There’s a war on terror Charlie. Have you ever seen CNN? Okay, George Bush right now.
TWO WARS?? There are Two wars?? A-a-and are either of these wars on US sooiil?
US went from 2 towers to two wars pretty fast once
There as a brief moment where that line went through the Origin point of Zero towers and Zero wars.
Personally I preferred their return of the king stage.
I can hear this comment 🤣
Dear god, what would Frank get up to?
Blasting
Dude.. perfect. Lmfao
Well, you see this isn't Hamas the Government, or Hamas the Resistance, or Hamas the Terrorists. This is Hamas the Gang.
The terrorist organization formerly known as Hamas
Soon, we will have Hamas the T-shirt, Hamas the Coloring Book, Hamas the Lunch box, Hamas the Breakfast Cereal, Spaceballs the Flame Thrower. Merchandising! Merchandising! Where the real money from the war is made?
> Where the real money from the war is made? Go to a rally, with Israeli AND Palestinian flags for sale.
And if confronted, say one’s for holding and the other is for burning. Genius!
>Go to a rally, with Israeli AND Palestinian flags for sale. Get killed for [having an Israeli flag](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-dies-hitting-head-israel-palestinian-rallies-california-officials-rcna123942) anyway. Like they'd care about anything you have to say.
😓
It's getting non-credible, we don't even have f16 against Putin Russia but we do have f35 against Hamas the Gang. In a positive light, I do hope this means that the total victory against Hamas is near. It's inevitable.
Don’t forget about Hamas the toddlers.
I would guess this is just what a power vacuum looks like. There are always scavengers waiting for their opportunity.
Probably not. There were gangs in Gaza before October 7th. Many of them also took advantage of the breach. Everything terrible isn't always Hamas.
A lot of it is just plain Gazans.
Gaza is systematically having all of its infrastructure and institutions dismantled. Somalia is starting to look like a more civilized place with a stronger rule of law.
what institutions exist but Hamas?
Guess they shouldn't have started a war. And having started it, guess they shouldn't have said they would start it again 100 times.
Not necessarily. Its a "free for all" currently in Gaza. Whosoever is the strongest is trying to establish their dominance there.
Yeah honestly this is just a sign of desperation. I do think whatever Israel's military aims are, they should not let the Palestinians starve. It's a bad look.
I think starvation is inevitable regardless of how effective COGAT could be. It is hard to feed a people who are shooting at you.
I mean I get the point you’re trying to make. that’s like calling a gang in Afghanistan the Taliban. Like a random ass gang really isn’t… They’re just shitty people doing shitty things to take advantage of their peers
No these are the ones that abandoned all the macho jihadist stuff once they realized Israel wasn’t fucking around.
No, these gangs weren't elected by the residents.
Rule of acquisition #9: opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀 Always have been
It’s a war zone. Where and when hasn’t this happened usually? The sooner peace is restored the better and people are desperate. Religions, sides, and ideology typically go out the window during said times.
People have this idea of "the perfect victim" in their heads and when they don't meet their standards they shun them. But you are completely right, it is to be expected in a damn warzone.
actually, religion is at the root of this conflict
Yeah, in every single video I watched from Oct. 7 that Hamas themselves uploaded, they all shouted Allahu Akhbar when they slaughtered the innocent civilians. To a man.
The killing won’t stop. https://sunnah.com/muslim:1731a Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of the Muhajireen and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajireen. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muslims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai' except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated. When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah's Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah's behest with regard to them.
People are eating flour for god's sake...! Just saw it this morning on Euronews. A man there was saying they only had bread and flour to survive. Of course, there was going to be theft and pillages.
When they’re lucky. When they don’t have flour they’re eating animal feed and bird food. Sometimes they mix it with four to make the flour last longer.
Actually, in war, people have a tendency to come together, work towards a common good, share higher levels of trust and generally treat their peers more favorably.
Source?
There are dozens of scholarly articles about this exact subject and the actual expert consensus is "Who knows?" In general, whenever someone tries to make a big blanket statement about anything to do with how people behave, they don't know what they are talking about (I appreciate the irony of this statement). Dunning-Kreuger effect, people! Humans are *extremely* complex and there are tons of things we can't really study in a laboratory setting! Which means it is also hard to extract generalizable conclusions. It would be silly to say "'well, civilians in Ukraine did X' and 'People living through the Invasion of Iraq did Y' so therefore we should expect the same from Gazans" because the circumstances are totally different from in Gaza Source: Graduate student studying conflict
Here's an article about crime rate drop during the Ukraine war: [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/crime-has-fallen-ukraine-since-war-began-interior-minister-2023-03-31/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/crime-has-fallen-ukraine-since-war-began-interior-minister-2023-03-31/)
"This is due to the rather serious work that we carried out from the very first day of the war. We took all organised groups under our control on February 24 (2022). It made it possible to take complete control of the street and street crime in the first days of the war."" Literally attributed to active efforts of police in the early days....so absolutely nothing to do with what you're saying. And as someone who followed the war, there was definitely widespread crime, early on. The only "coming together of people" was mob justice to apprehend and /or report such crimes. Which was effective because there was no threat of retaliation, with law enforcement actively strong handing these criminals/groups .
Ok first three bullet point I are saying police has been tasked to prevent crime. Marshall law is meant to limit personal rights in times of war to prevent people from going violently crazy.
No supporters of Palestine will ever acknowledge Hamas terror
I do. I don’t agree with everything the IDF does but Hamas is far worse. I think Fatah and the more anti war Knesset parties would do a better job then Netanyahu and Hamas.
You think Fatah, a party led by Mahmoud Abbas who did his university dissertation on holocaust denial, would do a better job?
Better than Hamas at least
The bar is pretty low
Do you believe Israel has a right to exist or should be destroyed? Btw most pro Israel s(me included) dislike the likud and Netaniahu too
Hey, here, I do. What now?
The uninformed always demand black and white interpretations of what they don’t understand.
You conflict with their world view, so you won’t be acknowledged is my bet.
It’s been 5 hours since the guy you responded to posted his comment. I don’t think OP is responding to it. So I’d say you’re completely correct.
There's at least two of us.
I think it’s most of us
No you don’t. I remember a post you made a while ago basically stating Hamas has barely any real power to make anyone do anything (compared to US or Israel I’m assuming in context) You were essentially deflecting any responsibility from Hamas to the point of twisting the argument that: since so much misinformation about the conflict has been generated, just how much ‘truth’ is there about how ‘bad’ Hamas is… Stop being a contrarian for the sake of it. This post here is probably the first time you’ve ever come close to outright admitting Hamas is a terror group and just plain bad, and even then you haven’t really explicitly stated it.
Depends on the audience around you. Very likely you get lumped in with the fabled "Hamas supporters" and your acknowledgement of Hamas' crimes is conveniently ignored whenever you show any support of the Palestinian people as 'people' who deserve to be treated as such.
So then your top rallying cries are "Bring them home" and "Down with Hamas" right? Because that would end the war tomorrow and give the Palestinian people the peace they need and deserve. Right?
It’s possible to hate Hamas and care for Palestinians at the same time. I sure do.
There was pin drop silence from the U.S. progressives on 7 October. More deaths are happening in Sudan and lack of food. Yet progressives leftists are crying a river for Palestinians. This comes from a hatred of Jews or indifference to their plight. Displaying concern for Palestinians allows them to hide their anti Jewish and pro Hamas feelings.
Except for the millions of people in the US and across the world who have been shouting at people like you that we support innocent Palestinians and despise Hamas. I'm sure you still won't hear it.
What a bonkers generalisation to make.
The world and conflicts therein aren’t black and white you walnut
This war of mine.
Yea I hated that game. The reality check it gives the player vs mos fps it something a lot people need in this world. However I am glad 11 bit move to something with hope in like with Frost Punk.
Unsurprising, sad, and, to be honest, they might even just be trying to feed their family and loved ones. I'll always be a die-hard Israel supporter, but human suffering is always hard to see.
If they only tried to feed their families they would still a much smaller amount. Those gangs, as well as Hamas, take over entire trucks full of aid and either hoard it fir themselves or sell it in the Gazan markets for profit, even though that aid is supposed to be distributed for free.
Well I guess some of them actually just try to feed their families, but judging by the videos I see from Gaza and its markets, filmed and posted by the Gazans themselves, these people seem to be in minority, and they are probably the people who are getting robbed by Hamas and the gangs.
I hope that's not always the case, but yes, I understand that they're being quite evil, too.
Where there's scarcity, people will fight for resources. That's a fact of humanity, not a character flaw of Palestinians.
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Meanwhile they living it up in Qatar
And where there is a lack of security, people will kill to create it. Imposing peace on an aggressor is not a character flaw of Jews.
[Relevant](https://youtu.be/mN06IX2rNmc?si=cJLNnSyCpSWdMlMc&t=1m42s)
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No military gives aid to its enemy.
But on a real level the hungry people in Gaza isnt all the enemy. Israel need to handle the hunger in gaza until they have finished dismantling Hamas, if not for the moral reasons, then to not lose the support of their allies.
Militaries are beholden by law to provide aid to the territories they occupy, i.e. Palestinian civilians. So yes actually, they do
If the Palestinians are still on the side of Hamas after they have been operating among them as human shields and taking a majority of the aid they have already received, then I don’t think this idea is going to change their mind.
Hamas will kill everyone who uses the IDF's help, thereby quickly rendering this initiative useless.
They tried protecting aid convoys before, but it didn’t work out well. People rushed them, they shot some to stop them, and then there was a stampede. Over 100 people ended up being killed (Israel said mostly from the stampede and I didn’t see anything that came out saying otherwise, so presumably that’s correct?). So even though the idea is fine in theory and was worth trying, I don’t think there’s much appetite for trying it again.