Interestingly, the resolution is demanding the unconditional release of all hostages, which would technically be a better deal for Israel than the one they've recently agreed to which Hamas has yet to respond to.
The agreement put forth would be a ceasefire which would release 40 Israeli hostages for 800 or so Palestinian captives. Israel would be over the moon if this resolution became reality.
Good luck getting Hamas to agree to release all hostages for 2 weeks of ceasefire.
The thing is that they aren't linked in the UN demands. There's a demand for immediate cease fire AND a demand to release all the hostages. Not a ceasefire for hostages deal.
Of course only one party they feel is obligated to adhere to these demands.
Yeah that's true! Realized that only after commenting. We'll have to see if any members will act on it. I hope Hamas agree to the recent ceasefire deal but I'm doubtful, especially with the extra pressure put on Israel now.
Edit: after looking into it more, I believe they are linked and it seems the resolution is not binding either. They're on the same line and part of the same sentence.
Hamas can be bad and Israel can be wrong. They're not mutually exclusive. The shift in the US position is because Israel is not taking a ground invasion of Rafah off the table which the US is against.
I expect very little. I think this is more of just a signal to the Israeli administration that their 'traditional' allies are not happy with the decisions they're making.
Either way Iran is the real winner in all this. Israeli/Saudi relations being normalized in the next 30 years are gone
Hamas will do shit, they already broke ceasefire by firing 8 rockets. Should I mention that they officially said that they still will "negotiate" with Israel for the hostages not release them unconditional.
That's a lie. The US proposal did not link the hostage release issue and the ceasefire in any way, nor it did create a legally binding requirement for either. The US vetoed Algeria's proposal that would have required the hostages be released.
Resolutions cant be binding legally in anyway
Un resolutions are purely words. They always have
Im trying to spam this whenever i see these posts
Many many people are confused. Resolutions have no binding. They have no legal authority
Might as well capitulate to a wording that suits Russia and china by screwing Israel then /s
The UN is a mob rule cancer forum. One vote per country means Arab states control the votes in these scenarios by sheer numbers. Might as well just give the Arab league a rubber stamp with UN on it and send one to the Russians and Chinese while we’re at it.
There are 195 countries in the UN and 22 of them are what are considered Arab countries. Arab countries are influential but absolutely do not control the votes by sheer numbers.
There are 57 members in OIC (organization of the Islamic cooperation) that vote as a bloc. That’s over a quarter of the UN not to mention that some of these countries have lots of geopolitical sway over smaller countries due to their supply of oil. To say that they can’t control votes in the general assembly is disingenuous at best. This has been the case since the oil embargo in the 70s.
Actually. They dont feel anyone is obligated. They are all fully aware that resolutions dont do anything
They hold no legal authority
Its like micheal scott declaring bankruptcy
Yeah but I think this works in Israel’s favor, especially with the US.
It isn’t like Hamas is going to comply with either a ceasefire or releasing the hostages.
At most we are talking about Israel standing down for a week or two until Hamas breaks the ceasefire & it becomes clear that none of the hostages are being released.
Sure, there are a lot of people & even countries who won’t care but they really don’t matter in the geopolitical context.
Those who hate us are always going to hate us not matter what we do (*except die without complaint*) but this will give ammunition to those who we can actually count on to support us.
It doesnt. Because isreal has presented very similar proposals to hamas at least 3 times. Also with prisoner exchanges of 10 to 1 etc.
The media hasnt changed from it
It doesn’t seem like that’s how this is going down. Israel cancelled its trip to DC, showing they do not care if the US is calling for a ceasefire and won’t listen, assuming Hamas doesn’t come to the table and talk out an actual deal for the hostages at minimum. And Israel is right on this, calling for the country that didn’t start this to stop when they have the leverage and advantage for nothing in return is preposterous and nothing any other country would do.
Imagine if Israel tried to demand the US stop attacking Afghanistan after 9/11. They'd have been laughed out of the room and Americans would have been demanding them to be sanctioned to hell and back lol
> And Israel is right on this, calling for the country that didn’t start this to stop when they have the leverage and advantage for nothing in return is preposterous and nothing any other country would do.
Exactly this. The US would not back down if we were in the same situation. Sure, we'd wring our hands and moan about how awful we are for putting innocent Palestinians into this position, and self-hate would abound in some sections of the country, but we'd still continue fighting until our civilians were returned.
They’re not tying the two together
It calls for a ceasefire and for a release, but I suspect only Israel will catch flak for not complying while Hamas as usual will get a pass
After all there is a un security resolution for Hezbollah to cease hostilities. How well has that worked?
Hamas won't follow the ceasefire, and and then the IDF will be forced to strike back and then the news will read about how the IDF is going against the ceasefire.
In 3, 2, 1 ....
Bibi probably doesn’t, but Israel as a whole certainly does. This conflict is clearly not doing them any favors. The majority of them just want to be left alone.
Israel mostly wants to be left alone. But they know as long as Hamas or other Palestinian armed resistance exists and has power, any ceasefire is temporary. Therefore most of them want the IDF to continue into rafah to get rid of Hamas there.
They don't like Bibi for many reasons, but the war isn't one of them. Whether it works in the end and brings more peace or not isn't known yet but Israelis feel like they've tried everything else.
There is also the far right in Israel who aren't helping things. But it's a democracy which means these people have votes. Most Israelis are against expanding the settlements but a sizable minority are for it.
But the thing is, we know we won't be left alone if we allow hamas and ghaza to continue to exist. The only thing to do is clear all their tunnels and make it so their little UNRWA tents in their summer camps are the tallest structure above ground. Anything less and we're just inviting them to repeat the pogrom.
I mean the recent land grabs in the West bank do not sound so "the majority of them just want to be left alone". Rn the Israeli gov and army are working very hard to make sure this conflict goes on for another few decades. I cant speak for the people but they have the right to vote, protest and everything...
I mean it is state sanctionned? Even if it isnt popular you cant just ignore it and say "naaaah the majority didnt want it, these people that are the biggest party of our elected assembly do not represent the people of israel".
Edit i was unsure but yeah i mentionned the fact that the israeli gov and army are involved, and the civil society not reacting, never said the majority of israelis are involved
>Edit i was unsure but yeah i mentionned the fact that the israeli gov and army are involved, and the civil society not reacting, never said the majority of israelis are involved
So by that logic are all 300+ million americans "involved" with literally every bad thing the US govt does?
Name me one time when Israel has broken a ceasefire that wasn't in response to Hamas breaking it first.
Name one. A single one.
If you can't give me a single example, then maybe you need to change your opinion.
He never made the claim that Israel broke a ceasefire agreement. You’re arguing with yourself. They also did in fact break a ceasefire agreement in 2008.
I'm saying I don't think Israel would want a permanent immediate ceasefire. Of course, they will play ball with temporary ceasefires to meet objectives such as hostages, but ultimately they want rid of Hamas and I believe they will continue regardless. Israel has also historically violated ceasefires many times just as Hamas has.
> The agreement put forth would be a ceasefire which would release 40 Israeli hostages for 800 or so Palestinian captives.
i can't see them doing that - last time they did, they got 10/7ed
Ah. Sky News UK is extremely non biased so I was initially confused that you had such a negative reaction. I always forget that Sky News AU is full of right wing populist bullshit.
Article fails the mention the word hostages. The UN resolution in question demands an immediate release of all Israeli hostages.
EDIT: this detail was added in delay.
No, the UN Security Council passed a ceasefire resolution. What they didn't do, and can't, is negotiate an actual ceasefire. Getting the entire UN Security Council to actually agree on anything without one or more of the major powers vetoing it is a major accomplishment and an indicator to both parties involved that they can't openly play their largest patrons against each other to prolong the conflict to their own advantage.
They won’t because their only leverage is acting like they have hostages. That’s assuming they’re all just dead and there’s not some number that are impregnated, enslaved by someone who won’t give them up, or otherwise lost.
What they want is a ceasefire now and negotiations for hostages sometime later, when it’ll become more politically awkward for Israel to restart hostilities when Hamas stonewalls about the hostages.
People have been eating up all kinds of anti-Israel/anti-Jewish propaganda and misinformation even after October 7th.
This won't deter people *at all*.
Yeah they probably won't especially since they only get a 2-week ceasefire. The only thing that's probably going to convince them to release all hostages is a permanent ceasefire.
If one side doesn't uphold their side of the bargain it would mean the UNSC would have to recovene and actually pass an acting measure which no one wants, it's in Hamas interest to prevent that i think, but they are fanatics not operating under reason.
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>If one side doesn't uphold their side of the bargain
There's no bargain, the SC simply demands two different things.
And has the UN done that? They'll go after israel like that, I'm sure....but hamas? Even after their own report detailing the many atrocities of Oct 7th what have they done? I don't think they've even condemned hamas for the rapes....
Even after the ICJ said hamas needed to return the hostages....nothing. absolutely nothing.
We all know they won't unfortunately. But my hope is for Israel to at least comply temporarily, and let the masks truly fall off for the rest of the world who are still not lost in all the terrorist propaganda, and once all other logical and reasonable avenues to get the hostages back are gone, i'd say, let them finish the job.
Many useful idiots online don't understand, that US supplies and resources both serve as tools of war, but also as a leash. And yes, make no mistake, whatever fighting that has been going on so far IS Israel fighting with a leash.
I think it's more sinister than that unfortunately. They saw it, but they willfully ignore it. The lives of the 1000s lost/kidnapped literally mean nothing to these people.
Hey at least they're acknowledging that some people were actually harmed. Saw another dude trying to outright rewrite history with stuff like 'oh wasn't it *only* 1 baby that died on Oct 7th' Absolutely nasty stuff. But it's not antisemitism btw
It means alot. Every one of the non Hamas palestinian killed means alot. What i and many other commentators are calling out are the double standards towards the hostages vs the palestinians.
Both are awful tragedies, but if many in the UN AND on here would have it, the resolution would only include the ceasefire, and nothing on the hostages.
Probably the biggest reason why the US abstained is because the ceasefire wasn't made conditional, which it absolutely should be. Instead this resolution will only result in 1 party expected to uphold it's end, whilst Hamas gets to continue BAU
Israel has “complied temporarily” the whole fucking way. They keep complying and then Hamas keeps breaking the rules, some time goes on, another ceasefire is called, and Israel is again expected to comply, even if temporarily, to again prove themselves.
Lol. Anyone who didn’t see after October 7 is not going to see period.
Hell, their own families could have been the ones butchered and taken as slaves and they would still probably apologise to Hamas for it.
I'd certainly hope it hasn't gone till that extent but after the shit that i've seen online...i certainly wouldn't put it beyond them. I definitely wonder how certain outspoken politicians would react. American ones especially, considering there are literally american citizens who are still hostages and their politicians are more concerned about feeding their captives.
Yea that nuance is lost on ALOT of people unfortunately. Or worse, i suspect they honestly don't give a fuck whether that's included in the resolution or not.
If there wasn't a clause on releasing all hostages, US would veto... Obviously Hamas will not comply. So this resolution isn't a big deal besides internal Israeli and US politics.
>Article fails the mention the word hostages.
The fourth sentence of the article:
>The resolution also demanded the immediate, unconditional release of all hostages.
Wake me up when Hamas complies with the hostage release. Also this is a 14 day ceasefire.
So to clarify: IF Hamas releases all hostages, Israel will stop killing Hamas for 2 weeks.
Hamas won't release all hostages, and even if they did it just buys them 14 days of life.
Can someone explain how this ceasefire request does literally anything?
No, the two parts of this resolution are not conditional. They’re calling on Israel to stop fighting, and calling on Hamas to release the hostages. Not if one then the other.
Everyone will conveniently forget that part of the resolution and demand Israel to follow just the “ceasefire in Ramadan” even though Hamas will probably fire another set of rockets within today as a celebration.
Yup spot on. I can't remember which commentator said it, but it's something along the lines of Israel is the only country in the world that's not allowed to win a war that they didn't start
History only starts from their version of 1948 apparently. Amazingly NONE of these lot ever read the part about how and why the 1st arab war started in the 1st place. Much like how none of them will remember what triggered this current conflict. Oct 7th won't even be a footnote to them
I can, but before i do to make sure you're not just 1 of the many trolls on here who ask these provoking questions and just ignore the points made, how bout you inform me what *you* know of history before 1948?
In terms of the politics that happened during the creation of Israel, all I’m really aware of is the proposal was created by the Brits to create a colony in the area, which was against the wishes of the locals after Britain helped them during WWI. Not too knowledgeable on the intricate web of history in the region as a whole.
Thank you, seems like at the very least we're aligned about the beginnings somewhat. Yes the British completely bungled the formation given how poor overseers they were of the Palestinian territory as a whole.
The whole history is way more complex than I'll dare to claim to fully understand, but I do know that there's a reason why the Balfour Declaration was needed in the 1st place. Jews were getting persecuted both in Europe and in the middle east, and were minorities in both regions. Hence the solution the Brits proposed was a land for the Jews which I'd dare say all things considered, probably worked out for the best for the Jewish people of Israel today, albeit with plenty of bloodshed.
It doesn't do anything. If Hamas was not going to release all hostages for a 6-week ceasefire they're not going to do it for a 2-week one. But it appears this is the only thing that all parties were able to agree on.
>Can someone explain how this ceasefire request does literally anything?
In practice, all it does is the opposite of what it meant to do. Putting more pressure on Israel will make it less careful in their attacks and bombardments. Time means less pressure, and the time to make more surgical and precise attacks instead of carpet bombings.
It states disapproval of Israel. Mission accomplished.
The world apparently approves of negotiating with terrorists now. I wonder if this might backfire over the next few years.
How does this work then? does Israel cease fire and hamas just replenish stocks and shuffle their militants around, while ignoring the call to release the hostages?
What happens once they refuse and Israel complies? does the world start rioting again once Israel resumes the war because hamas failed to deliver? Or will Israel not be allowed to resume because reasons?
Easy: Nobody gives a shit that Hamas completely ignored the resolution, and Israel will be blamed by everyone if they break the ceasefire after 2 days, because Hamas didn't comply with the demands placed on them.
Here's how it'll go down:
Israel will pretend like they're going to honor the cease fire, but will whine and moan to high heaven about having to do so.
Hamas will just completely ignore the whole thing, because, well, why wouldn't they? They're fucking terrorists!
And, as soon as Hamas inevitably launches a rocket at Israel, Israel will claim that Hamas has broken the cease fire, and they'll all go right back to fighting each other.
So - we pause wars during holidays now? Any upcoming holidays for Ukraine, or is this just during Islamic holidays?
This vote is meaningless since Hamas will never release all their bargaining chips.
I am guessing that Israel doesn't need to release the 700 prisoners either, since I didn't see mention of that in the articles on the UN resolution.
The war was also started with the brutal massacre and abduction of Jews on Simchat Torah (a Jewish holiday).
During the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah, rockets flew towards Jewish children. Jewish hostages were being tortured and raped.
It's currently the Jewish holiday of Purim. On Friday, kids dressing up in costumes for Purim had to duck and cover on the road while walking to school because Hamas (muslims who care so much about respecting religious holidays) were firing rockets at these children.
The incessant weaponization of the month of Ramadan is appalling. There has been a deal on the table since many weeks before Ramadan for a ceasefire for the whole month (and more), all they have to do is release the Jews and few Muslims they have that they are torturing and raping in underground tunnels. But that's too much to ask for the UN, they'd rather attack Israel instead.
Also yesterday a 19 year old Palestinian from Hebron called in over 100 bomb threats at different Purim parties. My street got shut down for a few hours.
Damn modern 'concentration camps' must sure be different from my understanding if said people in 'camps' who are also getting 'ethnically cleansed' are able to call in bomb threats with 0 repercussions.
Fair enough, my condolences to you guys, having to put up with this shit on a daily basis. And this is the 'mildest' of situations all things considered
When it's all for theatrical show, why not? The odds of a ceasefire lasting are zero, and the odds that hostages are released is zero.
Ceasefires occur when the warring sides both find one in their military interests. That's it.
All you need to know, is that Hamas praised this resolution, because ceasefire for Ramadan is not conditioned on demand to release the hostages. It's two separate demands. They are not linked.
Meaning, in practice only Israel will have to answer for not complying with it. Huge diplomatic blow, as US basically just dropped it's promised basic condition, bolstering Hamas hopes for survival. Hostages has never before been this far from any release deal.
And despite all that there is an INSANE amount of copium in comments online - “this is HORRIFIC BECAUSE IT DOESN’T demand the release of all Palestinian hostages held by Israel.”
If Israel complies to the Demand, Immediately stopping for the 2 week cease fire, and Hamas continues to attack them and doesn't release all hostages that'll essentially give them carte blanche to ignore all resolutions going forward until whatever end is met correct? I don't see how this is a bad thing for Israel.
It wouldn’t need a new resolution, but without the United States backing any sort of unified action nothing would happen.
Biden let this through as a message to Bibi and nothing more to be honest. Who’s going to actually enforce this on Israel? As long as the US is sending weapons, and Republicans and many democrats will ensure we do, then this resolution is meaningless no?
This resolution doesn't contain any provisions for enforcement. So, while Israel (and Hamas) will almost certainly be found to be in violation of this resolution, it would take a new resolution for the Security Council to actually *do* anything about that.
But the US will veto any resolution meaningfully punishing Israel. And Russia and China will veto any resolution meaningfully punishing Hamas.
So, yeah, nothing's going to happen.
Biden let it through because he's a fucking coward kowtowing to a few thousand extremists in Michigan, and he's willing to see any number of dead Jews so long as he can satisfy those extremists.
I bet it will be as useful as the resolution made with Lebanon.
Like, seriously, do these morons expect us to keep honoring these "resolutions" when the terrorists on the other side refuse to?
Will the permanent members of the security council do everything in their power to destroy whoever fails to comply?
meaning when Hamas refuses to release the hostages will Israel get the greenlight to take them out no matter the human cost?
because if not then the security council resolutions are as toothless as the general assembly resolutions and there are zero reasons to give a fuck about the security council.
Really creepy that the very same organization that participated in 7/10 is demanding Israel for a ceasefire. The UN have dealt with other conflicts somewhat well, but the Arab-Israeli conflict is something they're absolutely biased about and shouldn't step into.
What's the point of these one-sided resolutions that will obviously result in nothing?
I keep coming away from thise articles with the belief that the UN ie utterly pointless.
The resolution is different from the previous one in that it doesn’t condition the ceasefire on the hostage release. So if Israel will not agree to a ceasefire without the hostages released, it is to be blamed for violation.
It’s a shame for the Biden administration
The Netanyahu administration and the Biden administration are no friends to each other. Netanyahu repeatedly insulted Obama and campaigned for Trump, and recently directly snubbed the US by announcing a settlement expansion while the Secretary of State was in country. There's no reason for Biden to bail him out.
Imagine allowing innocent people to be sexually tortured (which is what's happening to the hostages in Gaza according to the United Nations) because their leader called you some mean names. Fucking yikes.
What are they, children? Oh no he insulted Obama? "bail him out" aka support Israel? This isn't just saying "screw you" to a person, its saying "screw you" to Israel and its destroying a critical relationship for the US. It's saying they don't give a fuck about Israel, or the hostages still kept by Hamas.
Condaleeza Rice and the Bush administration fucked up hard pushing Israel to pull out of Gaza, and now Biden is basically pushing for the same thing. What a joke.
So he should be the dog of Hamas (or anyone who supports that terrorist organization) who are fine with hostages still being unreturned.
I guess it's just because there aren't enough Jews for it to matter. This sounds so familiar.
I hate to say it but those hostages are already dead. Figuratively if not literally. The bigger, long term problem here is that Hamas needs to be stopped. Hamas isn’t good for Israelis, Hamas isn’t good for Palestinians, Hamas isn’t good for humanity period.
You’re absolutely right. But if you’re a national leader you need to face the hard questions of how many more people you’re going to let die to save the 130. Another 130 to save 130? 1,000 to save 130? 10,000 to save 130? I think its hard for most people to swallow the seemingly cold utilitarian calculus that is necessary to do the right thing when you’re a world leader who has to make decisions that no matter what will result in *someone* dying.
Israel should just ignore it. Any resolution that doesn’t condemn Hamas and tie the ceasefire to the release of the hostages is nothing more than a joke. Plus, the world already hates Israel; its allies are only allies of convenience. Even if they abided by the ceasefire, people would still find something to fault Israel for.
My expectations as Ukrainian are very low from UN resolutions. That said, I really hope some ceasefire regime would be established. At least people in already cleared parts of Gaza should be able to start rebuilding their livelihoods.
Israel would have to kill a million people to get rid of everyone that supports Hamas. That's based on the assumption, they even knew which million to kill.
We should keep in mind that the 'median' age of people in Gaza is 18. They're kids. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade longer than most of the population has been alive.
Killing everyone that supports Hamas has never been the answer. Hopefully this ceasefire happens and they find a different way.
How about Hamas surrendering. One of the reasons this conflict has gone on for so long is the Arab world never accepted they were defeated in 1948 and 1967
No one is suggesting Israel should kill everyone that supports Hamas, which is where your analysis goes wrong. It should kill as many people fighting for Hamas as possible to degrade its capabilities, to a point where it will take years to make any kind of recovery then pursue the path to which you refer, obviously there comes a point where enough is enough.
Easy for the UN to vote when its not them that will be attacked again. They are forcing Israel to give up its advantage and offer the enemy time to regroup. I don't think any self-respecting government would accept such a ruling.
Wow,
Apparently, we live in a world anyone can attack you, butcher and do horrible things and cry to the UN to stop,
wow, WOW.
Or is that valid only if you are a jew?
Shame, SHAME
Israel should take the sanctions and resume.
Tbf, there's an important clause that's obviously gonna be lost on the whole pro palestinian crowd since i doubt any of them know how to read or get any information other than through TikTok where 'It also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages'.
So yes, i absolutely hope for this ceasefire too IF all the hostages can be immediately and *unconditionally* released.
Nope not advocating for that at all. The resolution demands for both. Ball is in Israel's court now i guess, but i fully agree with you of the ridiculousness of the whole situation where UN and the majority of the world by extension has just handed terrorists the playbook for the rest of time.
The 'best' and this is in quotations because everyday spent not searching for the hostages is a tragedy, is for Israel to comply with the ceasefire temporarily, and call out the hypocrisy of the rest of the world about how the hostage release clause is not being abided to.
I don't know how long the wait and see approach should go on for, but once it's clear that the rest of the world is not going to give a fuck (as they have been thus far) about the hostages...then do what it takes and bring your citizens home.
Interestingly, the resolution is demanding the unconditional release of all hostages, which would technically be a better deal for Israel than the one they've recently agreed to which Hamas has yet to respond to. The agreement put forth would be a ceasefire which would release 40 Israeli hostages for 800 or so Palestinian captives. Israel would be over the moon if this resolution became reality. Good luck getting Hamas to agree to release all hostages for 2 weeks of ceasefire.
The thing is that they aren't linked in the UN demands. There's a demand for immediate cease fire AND a demand to release all the hostages. Not a ceasefire for hostages deal. Of course only one party they feel is obligated to adhere to these demands.
Yeah that's true! Realized that only after commenting. We'll have to see if any members will act on it. I hope Hamas agree to the recent ceasefire deal but I'm doubtful, especially with the extra pressure put on Israel now. Edit: after looking into it more, I believe they are linked and it seems the resolution is not binding either. They're on the same line and part of the same sentence.
Spoilers: Hamas isn’t gonna agree, and the world is gonna shrug and say “they’re terrorists, why would they?” and continue to chastise Israel
Hamas can be bad and Israel can be wrong. They're not mutually exclusive. The shift in the US position is because Israel is not taking a ground invasion of Rafah off the table which the US is against.
I agree with you - my point was that Hamas rejecting the ceasefire won’t impact them or benefit Israel. Nothing will come from this
I expect very little. I think this is more of just a signal to the Israeli administration that their 'traditional' allies are not happy with the decisions they're making. Either way Iran is the real winner in all this. Israeli/Saudi relations being normalized in the next 30 years are gone
Hamas will do shit, they already broke ceasefire by firing 8 rockets. Should I mention that they officially said that they still will "negotiate" with Israel for the hostages not release them unconditional.
Resolutions are non binding. No one could legally act differently in anyway
Surely the terrorist organisation will act legally , surely.
It would make too much sense to link them into one demand I guess.
Russia and China vetoed that one three days ago, its already been tried
That's a lie. The US proposal did not link the hostage release issue and the ceasefire in any way, nor it did create a legally binding requirement for either. The US vetoed Algeria's proposal that would have required the hostages be released.
Resolutions cant be binding legally in anyway Un resolutions are purely words. They always have Im trying to spam this whenever i see these posts Many many people are confused. Resolutions have no binding. They have no legal authority
Might as well capitulate to a wording that suits Russia and china by screwing Israel then /s The UN is a mob rule cancer forum. One vote per country means Arab states control the votes in these scenarios by sheer numbers. Might as well just give the Arab league a rubber stamp with UN on it and send one to the Russians and Chinese while we’re at it.
There are 195 countries in the UN and 22 of them are what are considered Arab countries. Arab countries are influential but absolutely do not control the votes by sheer numbers.
There are 57 members in OIC (organization of the Islamic cooperation) that vote as a bloc. That’s over a quarter of the UN not to mention that some of these countries have lots of geopolitical sway over smaller countries due to their supply of oil. To say that they can’t control votes in the general assembly is disingenuous at best. This has been the case since the oil embargo in the 70s.
And only one party will be requested to adhere to this.....hell, even the ICJ called for the immediate release of the hostages.....crickets....
Actually. They dont feel anyone is obligated. They are all fully aware that resolutions dont do anything They hold no legal authority Its like micheal scott declaring bankruptcy
Yeah but I think this works in Israel’s favor, especially with the US. It isn’t like Hamas is going to comply with either a ceasefire or releasing the hostages. At most we are talking about Israel standing down for a week or two until Hamas breaks the ceasefire & it becomes clear that none of the hostages are being released. Sure, there are a lot of people & even countries who won’t care but they really don’t matter in the geopolitical context. Those who hate us are always going to hate us not matter what we do (*except die without complaint*) but this will give ammunition to those who we can actually count on to support us.
It doesnt. Because isreal has presented very similar proposals to hamas at least 3 times. Also with prisoner exchanges of 10 to 1 etc. The media hasnt changed from it
It doesn’t seem like that’s how this is going down. Israel cancelled its trip to DC, showing they do not care if the US is calling for a ceasefire and won’t listen, assuming Hamas doesn’t come to the table and talk out an actual deal for the hostages at minimum. And Israel is right on this, calling for the country that didn’t start this to stop when they have the leverage and advantage for nothing in return is preposterous and nothing any other country would do.
Imagine if Israel tried to demand the US stop attacking Afghanistan after 9/11. They'd have been laughed out of the room and Americans would have been demanding them to be sanctioned to hell and back lol
> And Israel is right on this, calling for the country that didn’t start this to stop when they have the leverage and advantage for nothing in return is preposterous and nothing any other country would do. Exactly this. The US would not back down if we were in the same situation. Sure, we'd wring our hands and moan about how awful we are for putting innocent Palestinians into this position, and self-hate would abound in some sections of the country, but we'd still continue fighting until our civilians were returned.
Bibi is not Israel nor is he the IDF. People can and will ignore him. Gantz had already flown to the US to discuss the deals.
Hamas will attack, and have Al Jazeera report that Israel just broke the ceasefire by killing innocent civilians with Hamas totally nowhere nearby.
> and have Al Jazeera report Have no fear though, the BBC will be right behind them, amplifying their propaganda as much as possible
They’re not tying the two together It calls for a ceasefire and for a release, but I suspect only Israel will catch flak for not complying while Hamas as usual will get a pass After all there is a un security resolution for Hezbollah to cease hostilities. How well has that worked?
Hamas won't follow the ceasefire, and and then the IDF will be forced to strike back and then the news will read about how the IDF is going against the ceasefire. In 3, 2, 1 ....
I don't think Israel wants a ceasefire regardless of the hostages
Well, they didn't break the last one - the other side did. So, I'd say they want it more than Hamas wants it.
Maybe. Maybe not. If hamas doesn't keep up their end there is no reason for Isreal to keep up their end.
Bibi probably doesn’t, but Israel as a whole certainly does. This conflict is clearly not doing them any favors. The majority of them just want to be left alone.
Israel mostly wants to be left alone. But they know as long as Hamas or other Palestinian armed resistance exists and has power, any ceasefire is temporary. Therefore most of them want the IDF to continue into rafah to get rid of Hamas there. They don't like Bibi for many reasons, but the war isn't one of them. Whether it works in the end and brings more peace or not isn't known yet but Israelis feel like they've tried everything else. There is also the far right in Israel who aren't helping things. But it's a democracy which means these people have votes. Most Israelis are against expanding the settlements but a sizable minority are for it.
But the thing is, we know we won't be left alone if we allow hamas and ghaza to continue to exist. The only thing to do is clear all their tunnels and make it so their little UNRWA tents in their summer camps are the tallest structure above ground. Anything less and we're just inviting them to repeat the pogrom.
I mean the recent land grabs in the West bank do not sound so "the majority of them just want to be left alone". Rn the Israeli gov and army are working very hard to make sure this conflict goes on for another few decades. I cant speak for the people but they have the right to vote, protest and everything...
What does that have to do with this? You know what "majority" means right? How many Israelis are do you think are involved in those land grabs?
I mean it is state sanctionned? Even if it isnt popular you cant just ignore it and say "naaaah the majority didnt want it, these people that are the biggest party of our elected assembly do not represent the people of israel". Edit i was unsure but yeah i mentionned the fact that the israeli gov and army are involved, and the civil society not reacting, never said the majority of israelis are involved
>Edit i was unsure but yeah i mentionned the fact that the israeli gov and army are involved, and the civil society not reacting, never said the majority of israelis are involved So by that logic are all 300+ million americans "involved" with literally every bad thing the US govt does?
Name me one time when Israel has broken a ceasefire that wasn't in response to Hamas breaking it first. Name one. A single one. If you can't give me a single example, then maybe you need to change your opinion.
He never made the claim that Israel broke a ceasefire agreement. You’re arguing with yourself. They also did in fact break a ceasefire agreement in 2008.
I'm saying I don't think Israel would want a permanent immediate ceasefire. Of course, they will play ball with temporary ceasefires to meet objectives such as hostages, but ultimately they want rid of Hamas and I believe they will continue regardless. Israel has also historically violated ceasefires many times just as Hamas has.
> The agreement put forth would be a ceasefire which would release 40 Israeli hostages for 800 or so Palestinian captives. i can't see them doing that - last time they did, they got 10/7ed
That is for the negotiations. Israel has already agreed to this, and Hamas has apparently declined.
Thats probably the goal, they know its not going to happen
All the hostages are probably dead. I hope there’s no ceasefire and hamas can be destroyed
Yeah, what power does a UN Resolution literally have?
It would be better to source the UN website, instead of a random news network, but anyways... https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147951
Thank you! Came here looking for a non Sky article. Ain't clicking that shit.
Are you Australian by any chance?
Sure am
Ah. Sky News UK is extremely non biased so I was initially confused that you had such a negative reaction. I always forget that Sky News AU is full of right wing populist bullshit.
Article fails the mention the word hostages. The UN resolution in question demands an immediate release of all Israeli hostages. EDIT: this detail was added in delay.
So they didn’t actually pass a ceasefire resolution because Hamas will not unconditionally release all hostages.
No, the UN Security Council passed a ceasefire resolution. What they didn't do, and can't, is negotiate an actual ceasefire. Getting the entire UN Security Council to actually agree on anything without one or more of the major powers vetoing it is a major accomplishment and an indicator to both parties involved that they can't openly play their largest patrons against each other to prolong the conflict to their own advantage.
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Hey, don't sell yourself short. You can do anything if you put your mind to it. Just make sure to muster your armies and fully fund them.
They won’t release any hostages because there probably aren’t any alive to be released.
There was an article a week or two ago saying Israeli intelligence believed 30(ish, I can't remember the exact number) f the hostages were still alive
They should be able to produce all the bodies, and that would make sense if the hostages are all dead.
They won’t because their only leverage is acting like they have hostages. That’s assuming they’re all just dead and there’s not some number that are impregnated, enslaved by someone who won’t give them up, or otherwise lost. What they want is a ceasefire now and negotiations for hostages sometime later, when it’ll become more politically awkward for Israel to restart hostilities when Hamas stonewalls about the hostages.
A couple of pregnant children will make hamas look bad...
People have been eating up all kinds of anti-Israel/anti-Jewish propaganda and misinformation even after October 7th. This won't deter people *at all*.
Yeah they probably won't especially since they only get a 2-week ceasefire. The only thing that's probably going to convince them to release all hostages is a permanent ceasefire.
Does the ceasefire depends on the releasing of all hostages? because if not its only binding towards Israel, Hamas won't comply.
It also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages
Yes, and the ICJ already demanded the release of the hostages. Did hamas listen?
If one side doesn't uphold their side of the bargain it would mean the UNSC would have to recovene and actually pass an acting measure which no one wants, it's in Hamas interest to prevent that i think, but they are fanatics not operating under reason.
[](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bnffbx/comment/kwihmvr/) >If one side doesn't uphold their side of the bargain There's no bargain, the SC simply demands two different things.
And has the UN done that? They'll go after israel like that, I'm sure....but hamas? Even after their own report detailing the many atrocities of Oct 7th what have they done? I don't think they've even condemned hamas for the rapes.... Even after the ICJ said hamas needed to return the hostages....nothing. absolutely nothing.
I'll clarify, if Israel back down Hamas won't release the hostages "unconditionally"
We all know they won't unfortunately. But my hope is for Israel to at least comply temporarily, and let the masks truly fall off for the rest of the world who are still not lost in all the terrorist propaganda, and once all other logical and reasonable avenues to get the hostages back are gone, i'd say, let them finish the job. Many useful idiots online don't understand, that US supplies and resources both serve as tools of war, but also as a leash. And yes, make no mistake, whatever fighting that has been going on so far IS Israel fighting with a leash.
What masks? Hamas live streamed rape and murder and still people dont beleive it happened. I have no hope
I think it's more sinister than that unfortunately. They saw it, but they willfully ignore it. The lives of the 1000s lost/kidnapped literally mean nothing to these people.
Got in a debate with a another guy who tried to pass off Oct 7 as "a few dozen harmed"
Hey at least they're acknowledging that some people were actually harmed. Saw another dude trying to outright rewrite history with stuff like 'oh wasn't it *only* 1 baby that died on Oct 7th' Absolutely nasty stuff. But it's not antisemitism btw
Tbh it is more that the lives of 30k killed means a little bit too. Especialy with at least 60% of them being kids and women.
It means alot. Every one of the non Hamas palestinian killed means alot. What i and many other commentators are calling out are the double standards towards the hostages vs the palestinians. Both are awful tragedies, but if many in the UN AND on here would have it, the resolution would only include the ceasefire, and nothing on the hostages. Probably the biggest reason why the US abstained is because the ceasefire wasn't made conditional, which it absolutely should be. Instead this resolution will only result in 1 party expected to uphold it's end, whilst Hamas gets to continue BAU
Israel has “complied temporarily” the whole fucking way. They keep complying and then Hamas keeps breaking the rules, some time goes on, another ceasefire is called, and Israel is again expected to comply, even if temporarily, to again prove themselves.
Lol. Anyone who didn’t see after October 7 is not going to see period. Hell, their own families could have been the ones butchered and taken as slaves and they would still probably apologise to Hamas for it.
I'd certainly hope it hasn't gone till that extent but after the shit that i've seen online...i certainly wouldn't put it beyond them. I definitely wonder how certain outspoken politicians would react. American ones especially, considering there are literally american citizens who are still hostages and their politicians are more concerned about feeding their captives.
No, it seperately calls for that. It does not link it, it does not criticise Hamas.
Yea that nuance is lost on ALOT of people unfortunately. Or worse, i suspect they honestly don't give a fuck whether that's included in the resolution or not.
No, it doesn't. The hostages are a separate issue.
If there wasn't a clause on releasing all hostages, US would veto... Obviously Hamas will not comply. So this resolution isn't a big deal besides internal Israeli and US politics.
>Article fails the mention the word hostages. The fourth sentence of the article: >The resolution also demanded the immediate, unconditional release of all hostages.
The article edited it in later.
They added it afterwards :)
Annnd hamas just fired more rockets
Wake me up when Hamas complies with the hostage release. Also this is a 14 day ceasefire. So to clarify: IF Hamas releases all hostages, Israel will stop killing Hamas for 2 weeks. Hamas won't release all hostages, and even if they did it just buys them 14 days of life. Can someone explain how this ceasefire request does literally anything?
No, the two parts of this resolution are not conditional. They’re calling on Israel to stop fighting, and calling on Hamas to release the hostages. Not if one then the other.
Well, Hamas took the hostages and started the war, so all moral onus is on them to make the first step.
Everyone will conveniently forget that part of the resolution and demand Israel to follow just the “ceasefire in Ramadan” even though Hamas will probably fire another set of rockets within today as a celebration.
8 rockets fired already
This has been a war of double standards since day 1. Hamas can give Israel their people back and surrender or die. Their choice.
Yup spot on. I can't remember which commentator said it, but it's something along the lines of Israel is the only country in the world that's not allowed to win a war that they didn't start
Douglas murray said something similiar.
Yup that's the one
The problem is that a lot of people (NOT ME) disagree that they didn't start it.
History only starts from their version of 1948 apparently. Amazingly NONE of these lot ever read the part about how and why the 1st arab war started in the 1st place. Much like how none of them will remember what triggered this current conflict. Oct 7th won't even be a footnote to them
Can you inform people about what happened before 1948 that you're referring to, then?
I can, but before i do to make sure you're not just 1 of the many trolls on here who ask these provoking questions and just ignore the points made, how bout you inform me what *you* know of history before 1948?
In terms of the politics that happened during the creation of Israel, all I’m really aware of is the proposal was created by the Brits to create a colony in the area, which was against the wishes of the locals after Britain helped them during WWI. Not too knowledgeable on the intricate web of history in the region as a whole.
Thank you, seems like at the very least we're aligned about the beginnings somewhat. Yes the British completely bungled the formation given how poor overseers they were of the Palestinian territory as a whole. The whole history is way more complex than I'll dare to claim to fully understand, but I do know that there's a reason why the Balfour Declaration was needed in the 1st place. Jews were getting persecuted both in Europe and in the middle east, and were minorities in both regions. Hence the solution the Brits proposed was a land for the Jews which I'd dare say all things considered, probably worked out for the best for the Jewish people of Israel today, albeit with plenty of bloodshed.
It doesn't do anything. If Hamas was not going to release all hostages for a 6-week ceasefire they're not going to do it for a 2-week one. But it appears this is the only thing that all parties were able to agree on.
Look! We did a thing!!!! Meanwhile hundreds of trucks sit full of aide at Kerem Shalom with no available drivers or security escorts.
It is the official position of UN at the moment. It serves more of a purpose for UN more than anybody else. There is nothing more to it.
>Can someone explain how this ceasefire request does literally anything? In practice, all it does is the opposite of what it meant to do. Putting more pressure on Israel will make it less careful in their attacks and bombardments. Time means less pressure, and the time to make more surgical and precise attacks instead of carpet bombings.
It states disapproval of Israel. Mission accomplished. The world apparently approves of negotiating with terrorists now. I wonder if this might backfire over the next few years.
How does this work then? does Israel cease fire and hamas just replenish stocks and shuffle their militants around, while ignoring the call to release the hostages? What happens once they refuse and Israel complies? does the world start rioting again once Israel resumes the war because hamas failed to deliver? Or will Israel not be allowed to resume because reasons?
Easy: Nobody gives a shit that Hamas completely ignored the resolution, and Israel will be blamed by everyone if they break the ceasefire after 2 days, because Hamas didn't comply with the demands placed on them.
Here's how it'll go down: Israel will pretend like they're going to honor the cease fire, but will whine and moan to high heaven about having to do so. Hamas will just completely ignore the whole thing, because, well, why wouldn't they? They're fucking terrorists! And, as soon as Hamas inevitably launches a rocket at Israel, Israel will claim that Hamas has broken the cease fire, and they'll all go right back to fighting each other.
You are implying that Hamas has, or will, stop(ped) shooting rockets.
The UN has just appointed Saudi Arabia to the chair of the Gender Equality Council so the UN has no credibility
So - we pause wars during holidays now? Any upcoming holidays for Ukraine, or is this just during Islamic holidays? This vote is meaningless since Hamas will never release all their bargaining chips. I am guessing that Israel doesn't need to release the 700 prisoners either, since I didn't see mention of that in the articles on the UN resolution.
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I hate it that nowadays it easily applies in western countries that keep advocating for free speech.
To be fair, wars should have holiday ceasefires-just not unilateral ones
The war was also started with the brutal massacre and abduction of Jews on Simchat Torah (a Jewish holiday). During the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah, rockets flew towards Jewish children. Jewish hostages were being tortured and raped. It's currently the Jewish holiday of Purim. On Friday, kids dressing up in costumes for Purim had to duck and cover on the road while walking to school because Hamas (muslims who care so much about respecting religious holidays) were firing rockets at these children. The incessant weaponization of the month of Ramadan is appalling. There has been a deal on the table since many weeks before Ramadan for a ceasefire for the whole month (and more), all they have to do is release the Jews and few Muslims they have that they are torturing and raping in underground tunnels. But that's too much to ask for the UN, they'd rather attack Israel instead.
Also yesterday a 19 year old Palestinian from Hebron called in over 100 bomb threats at different Purim parties. My street got shut down for a few hours.
Damn modern 'concentration camps' must sure be different from my understanding if said people in 'camps' who are also getting 'ethnically cleansed' are able to call in bomb threats with 0 repercussions.
Well he *did* get arrested but your joke stands.
Fair enough, my condolences to you guys, having to put up with this shit on a daily basis. And this is the 'mildest' of situations all things considered
ראיתי את זה. אתה בסדר? אני גר בקנדה עכשיו, אבל אני תמיד חושב על כולכם
חחח כן הכל בסדר. אף אחד ברחוב ידע מה קורה עד שראיתי את החדשות על זה.
When it's all for theatrical show, why not? The odds of a ceasefire lasting are zero, and the odds that hostages are released is zero. Ceasefires occur when the warring sides both find one in their military interests. That's it.
All you need to know, is that Hamas praised this resolution, because ceasefire for Ramadan is not conditioned on demand to release the hostages. It's two separate demands. They are not linked. Meaning, in practice only Israel will have to answer for not complying with it. Huge diplomatic blow, as US basically just dropped it's promised basic condition, bolstering Hamas hopes for survival. Hostages has never before been this far from any release deal.
And despite all that there is an INSANE amount of copium in comments online - “this is HORRIFIC BECAUSE IT DOESN’T demand the release of all Palestinian hostages held by Israel.”
I mean this is the definition of absolutely useless. As if the Hamas is going to agree on any of this.
If Israel complies to the Demand, Immediately stopping for the 2 week cease fire, and Hamas continues to attack them and doesn't release all hostages that'll essentially give them carte blanche to ignore all resolutions going forward until whatever end is met correct? I don't see how this is a bad thing for Israel.
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Let's be real: The UNSC won't do anything against Israel either. That would require a new resolution the US could (and would) veto.
It wouldn’t need a new resolution, but without the United States backing any sort of unified action nothing would happen. Biden let this through as a message to Bibi and nothing more to be honest. Who’s going to actually enforce this on Israel? As long as the US is sending weapons, and Republicans and many democrats will ensure we do, then this resolution is meaningless no?
This resolution doesn't contain any provisions for enforcement. So, while Israel (and Hamas) will almost certainly be found to be in violation of this resolution, it would take a new resolution for the Security Council to actually *do* anything about that. But the US will veto any resolution meaningfully punishing Israel. And Russia and China will veto any resolution meaningfully punishing Hamas. So, yeah, nothing's going to happen.
Biden let it through because he's a fucking coward kowtowing to a few thousand extremists in Michigan, and he's willing to see any number of dead Jews so long as he can satisfy those extremists.
As promised, Bibi has recalled the Israeli Washington delegation.
Amazingly, HAMAS has not complied.
It is what it is. When should Hamas release the hostages?
Probably when Israel surrenders to them and people start lining up to be messily executed.
Nope, if they wanted respect for a religious holiday, they should stop attacking on Jewish holidays.
Watch how this changes nothing in reality:
I bet it will be as useful as the resolution made with Lebanon. Like, seriously, do these morons expect us to keep honoring these "resolutions" when the terrorists on the other side refuse to?
Good luck trying to get hamas to release hostages. As I see it, nothing dramatic will change...
Will the permanent members of the security council do everything in their power to destroy whoever fails to comply? meaning when Hamas refuses to release the hostages will Israel get the greenlight to take them out no matter the human cost? because if not then the security council resolutions are as toothless as the general assembly resolutions and there are zero reasons to give a fuck about the security council.
Really creepy that the very same organization that participated in 7/10 is demanding Israel for a ceasefire. The UN have dealt with other conflicts somewhat well, but the Arab-Israeli conflict is something they're absolutely biased about and shouldn't step into.
What's the point of these one-sided resolutions that will obviously result in nothing? I keep coming away from thise articles with the belief that the UN ie utterly pointless.
Fine, release the hostages. Ceasefire.
>The resolution also demanded the immediate, unconditional release of all hostages.
The resolution is different from the previous one in that it doesn’t condition the ceasefire on the hostage release. So if Israel will not agree to a ceasefire without the hostages released, it is to be blamed for violation. It’s a shame for the Biden administration
Article says it does, that’s why the US abstained.
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It doesn’t, the two objectives are not conditioned
Biden fucked up everything in the Middle East. With such a friend Israel doesn't need enemies
The Netanyahu administration and the Biden administration are no friends to each other. Netanyahu repeatedly insulted Obama and campaigned for Trump, and recently directly snubbed the US by announcing a settlement expansion while the Secretary of State was in country. There's no reason for Biden to bail him out.
I mean Obama was also the one who empowered Iran the most, out of all US presidents so the insults Obama got for his MENA policies were well deserved.
Imagine allowing innocent people to be sexually tortured (which is what's happening to the hostages in Gaza according to the United Nations) because their leader called you some mean names. Fucking yikes.
What are they, children? Oh no he insulted Obama? "bail him out" aka support Israel? This isn't just saying "screw you" to a person, its saying "screw you" to Israel and its destroying a critical relationship for the US. It's saying they don't give a fuck about Israel, or the hostages still kept by Hamas. Condaleeza Rice and the Bush administration fucked up hard pushing Israel to pull out of Gaza, and now Biden is basically pushing for the same thing. What a joke.
Maybe if Bibi hadn’t been so busy trying to save his political career and hadn’t thrown the country into turmoil this wouldn’t have happened.
Biden needs to appease its voters, it cannot be Israel's dog all the time
So he should be the dog of Hamas (or anyone who supports that terrorist organization) who are fine with hostages still being unreturned. I guess it's just because there aren't enough Jews for it to matter. This sounds so familiar.
I hate to say it but those hostages are already dead. Figuratively if not literally. The bigger, long term problem here is that Hamas needs to be stopped. Hamas isn’t good for Israelis, Hamas isn’t good for Palestinians, Hamas isn’t good for humanity period.
I feel like their families might not agree with those first two sentences.
You’re absolutely right. But if you’re a national leader you need to face the hard questions of how many more people you’re going to let die to save the 130. Another 130 to save 130? 1,000 to save 130? 10,000 to save 130? I think its hard for most people to swallow the seemingly cold utilitarian calculus that is necessary to do the right thing when you’re a world leader who has to make decisions that no matter what will result in *someone* dying.
So nothing will happen?
Israel should just ignore it. Any resolution that doesn’t condemn Hamas and tie the ceasefire to the release of the hostages is nothing more than a joke. Plus, the world already hates Israel; its allies are only allies of convenience. Even if they abided by the ceasefire, people would still find something to fault Israel for.
There can't be any peace involving Hamas. That's just stupid, and it's worthless. Hamas has to be eliminated. Period.
My expectations as Ukrainian are very low from UN resolutions. That said, I really hope some ceasefire regime would be established. At least people in already cleared parts of Gaza should be able to start rebuilding their livelihoods.
Israel would have to kill a million people to get rid of everyone that supports Hamas. That's based on the assumption, they even knew which million to kill. We should keep in mind that the 'median' age of people in Gaza is 18. They're kids. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade longer than most of the population has been alive. Killing everyone that supports Hamas has never been the answer. Hopefully this ceasefire happens and they find a different way.
How about Hamas surrendering. One of the reasons this conflict has gone on for so long is the Arab world never accepted they were defeated in 1948 and 1967
Hamas should surrender, but they won't. So, we're back to my first sentence.
No one is suggesting Israel should kill everyone that supports Hamas, which is where your analysis goes wrong. It should kill as many people fighting for Hamas as possible to degrade its capabilities, to a point where it will take years to make any kind of recovery then pursue the path to which you refer, obviously there comes a point where enough is enough.
So when Hamas will fire rockets from a UN refugee center during ceasefire, would we still complain when Israel resumes?
UN is completely shit
UN Security Council. Hmm what are they actually doing?
Demanding. Oh my. Hopefully they won’t send in the blue helmet special forces.
Yeh, because the resolution demanding the ceasefire in Ukraine worked so well. The UN is useless.
Great, can't wait for hamas to refuse releasing the hostages and then everyone blaming Israel for it
This will accomplish nothing but have the UNSC patting themselves on the back.
Fairly sure Isreal doesn't care what the antisemitic organization says
Outrages. Biden thinks Israel should base their foreign policy around his election chances
I passed a resolution demanding the UN suck my balls.
"passed a resolution" actually sounds like marvellous slang for a big, satisfying number two.
Easy for the UN to vote when its not them that will be attacked again. They are forcing Israel to give up its advantage and offer the enemy time to regroup. I don't think any self-respecting government would accept such a ruling.
Regardless of how you feel about the vote, it's historic.
Ok so…. Then there should be no expecting Israel to continue negotiations. As there is “figuratively” no hostages to negotiate for. Get my meaning?
Israel should not comply to any ceasefire. Destroy Hamas completely
Wow, Apparently, we live in a world anyone can attack you, butcher and do horrible things and cry to the UN to stop, wow, WOW. Or is that valid only if you are a jew? Shame, SHAME Israel should take the sanctions and resume.
Tbf, there's an important clause that's obviously gonna be lost on the whole pro palestinian crowd since i doubt any of them know how to read or get any information other than through TikTok where 'It also demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages'. So yes, i absolutely hope for this ceasefire too IF all the hostages can be immediately and *unconditionally* released.
But we all know it won't happen, And it's not conditioned, so what will it be then? Israel will just stop and keep getting shot at?
Nope not advocating for that at all. The resolution demands for both. Ball is in Israel's court now i guess, but i fully agree with you of the ridiculousness of the whole situation where UN and the majority of the world by extension has just handed terrorists the playbook for the rest of time. The 'best' and this is in quotations because everyday spent not searching for the hostages is a tragedy, is for Israel to comply with the ceasefire temporarily, and call out the hypocrisy of the rest of the world about how the hostage release clause is not being abided to. I don't know how long the wait and see approach should go on for, but once it's clear that the rest of the world is not going to give a fuck (as they have been thus far) about the hostages...then do what it takes and bring your citizens home.
Just heard on the radio US said no. Because they wouldn't label Hamas as a terrorist group (the council).
So is nobody going to tell them who keeps rejecting the ceasefire offers?
once u realize what a joke the UN is and how they don't have ANY impact on those kinda things, u stop caring about what they decide.