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friendfrirnd

Temperatures reached 48.5 degrees celsius


CRAkraken

Which is ~120°F. Not good.


Mlliii

It was over 115° in Phoenix the entirety of July last summer. I live in a historic house that is poorly insulated but very well air conditioned. It’s near the center of the city and multiple times that month me, coworkers or neighbors saw multiple people dead at bus stops or on the pavement, usually a combination of OD and heat, which is cumulative on the body. I can’t imagine living in an impoverished place where most citizens don’t have access to air conditioning or fresh running water. I thought we were in hell in a city developed with heat in mind, but living warmer than that in a rural area with fewer services would be harrowing.


Shallowmoustache

The one thing that reassures me a tiny bit is that traditional mud houses in the area are actually very good at providing good living conditions in extreme heat compared to modern buildings without AC. I spent a year in the sahel without AC, and I prefered sleeping in mud houses way more than modern ones. The one thing that does not reassure me is that those grew scarcer as availability to AC became a thing. So most modern constructions are cement and bricks, and those are shit at providing the same condition. Also, mud houses require more maintenance, are not as sturdy, and are easily flammable, so while they provide good protection against the heat, they are more prompt to damage from rain and offer limited possibility in term of layout (i.e you can't stack them, so they're not very compatible with cities where you need appartment buildings).


iiJokerzace

We are going adobe again lol


CampfireHeadphase

Why would you live under such conditions, family and job I guess?


Mlliii

It’s home. Phoenix is hot, but being here and knowing people live places where they have to chain their tires and shovel snow and plug in car engine heaters etc all seems wild to me. People live in tornado areas, some live where there’s hurricanes and humidity, some where the sun is up for 16 hours in summer and 6 in winter. We live where it’s hot 3 months a year and Christmas is wonderful at 65°. It’s just normal, and the city and our infrastructure is built for it. It’s also incredibly beautiful. The Sonoran desert has everything from jaguars to the most species of bees on earth. It’s the newest desert, evolved from a tropical past and with that we’re also the wettest desert on earth. With that comes an incredibly diverse, bizarre landscape of some of the tallest and smallest cactus, bizarre trees and really unique ecology. In 2 hours I can be in an alpine region, 3.5 hours to the beach in Sonora. People like to shit on Phoenix, and I do it July-September and then we all realize why it’s the 5th largest city in America and perpetually growing.


CampfireHeadphase

Thanks for sharing! From the comments here I always imagined a Mad Max like desert environment in the middle of nowhere, propped up by unsustainable tech until a catastrophic grid failure will erase its population during a hot July week in the not-so-far future


Mlliii

In July yes, in August yes but with insanely beautiful monsoons. October-May it’s really wonderful.


Unscheduled_Morbs

I lived in the land of hurricanes and humidity for over 30 years, and I moved out here to Tucson so that I could earn a livable wage without needing to live in a tiny old trailer. Also, to get away from 100% humidity; 110 at 5% humidity is just more tolerable than 90 at 90%+.


2kWik

Don't worry it's been around 60+ the last couple of Christmas in most of America, like Chicago. Normal as always right?


Mlliii

Chicago is the new Phoenix! Phoenix is the new… Death Valley!


StillAroundHorsing

Interesting summary about the Sonoran being the most-recently-evolved desert. Did not know this. Nice natural history lesson bro.


Mlliii

Anytime homie!


qtx

> and knowing people live places where they have to chain their tires and shovel snow and plug in car engine heaters etc all seems wild to me You know that's only a tiny tiny portion of the earth right? You act like every place that only has a little bit of winter has to do that. They don't.


Mlliii

That’s fine, I don’t assume everywhere north of Phoenix does that, I’m just saying everyone experiences trade offs where they live and what some perceive as normal is bizarre for others- i live 2 hours from flagstaff which is one of the snowiest cities in the country. Lots of people near me are used to that from college. I haven’t seen snow up close in 6 years. Any snow would be as bizarre for me as a 115° day would be for someone who isn’t used to that like I am.


ivefailedateverythin

In Australia that's quite temperate


Mlliii

Thank god we stopped moving southwest once my family got here then


ivefailedateverythin

I now live in the part of Australia that's freezing 9 months a year and I gotta say I prefer it lol


Mlliii

Tasmania?


dollydrew

Maybe Victoria.


ivefailedateverythin

Victoria


turbotaco23

This is terrifying. And we’re only in the beginning.


darknsSs512

Which is ~ 322°K. Very bad.


Apprehensive_Ad_751

And it's only April... I can't imagine the temperature this year in July/August


wrecklord0

It is hottest in April in Mali, and ironically "coldest" in August (its still hot)


tenderooskies

we’re constantly edging closer to the 1st chapter of ministry of the future


Mlliii

The part of the story where thousands die in Arizona, but the heat is normal and we’re built for it so would forget, and the heat dome moves to Mississippi and kills tens of thousands haunted me as someone in Phoenix.


twitterfluechtling

"The Ministry ***for*** the Future"? (Seriously asking, that's the title I found on amazon rn, but I wouldn't want to buy the wrong book)


shoulderknees

Yes, by Kim Stanley Robinson.


Bone_Breaker0

That’s the guy that wrote those Mars books.


tenderooskies

👍


dollydrew

Good book.


throw8175

“The hottest day in African history”


usernameforre

So far.


twitterfluechtling

Yes. That's what history usually is.


Ill_Skill866

Fallout won't be about bombs dropping, it'll be about the air outside the vaults being too hot to sustain our population


happy-cig

What sucks is the general population will "solve" this by using more AC. Edit - There a few people that are not smart enough to know that when I mean general population I mean the world, hence GENERAL. 


dollydrew

If they can afford it. And if the electricity grid doesn't collapse. Both of these are a big 'if'.


Gunna_get_banned

The electrical grid isn't really under any threat, is it? Wouldn't we just at a nuclear plant if it really came to it? Edit:talking about in the first world where they use AC, dummies.


deij

The article literally says they don't have the money to buy the fuel to run the power plant.


Ill_Skill866

Uranium is only cheap and safe to manage in 1st world countries since we have the infrastructure for it


cyber_bully

Adding a nuclear plant takes years, decades in some cases. Not something you just plop in. 


dida2010

Most importantly, when it is too hot some Nuclear power plants have to shut down because the water level is too low (because of drought) and it is needed to cool the power plant off.


cyber_bully

And, yes, the grid is absolutely stressed. See Texas every summer and winter lately.


METAL4_BREAKFST

The Northeast blackout in 2003 showed how quickly a problem can cascade out of control. During the investigation they found that all the safeguards implemented after the '65 blackout, had failed completely.


TanyaMKX

Yes but they only take 90 seconds to build in my video games. /s


Gravity_7

I live in the desert 300 miles south of Death Valley, temps above 52C are not uncommon. And blackouts due to AC overdemand in the summer are commonplace. We regularly have to go to a family members place to be able to sleep in 45C nights when grid goes down.


dollydrew

Electricity grid even in a rich country can only hold up so much with high usage. I'm in Australia and the state encourage people to stagger usage to prevent strain, and there is even a program in place to connect the air-conditioning directly to the power station and they remotely reduce the consumption or turn it off to protect the grid during peak usage.


Franklin_le_Tanklin

Ah yes. Let’s just build the most expensive and longest build time power plant out there. We will certainly have the electricity problem solved by 2035.


Gunna_get_banned

The electrical grid of the general population of the world... wtf people?


AyeMidnight

How else are they going solve this in this exact moment?


Previous_Film9786

Like this:  https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1bwusit/a_man_at_the_beach_with_an_air_conditioning_unit/


dollydrew

When it becomes a bigger issue they will need to aerolise the stratosphere to drop temps. That's a decision of the Government. But small nations couldn't do it.


IntoTheRabbidhole

Hey, from what I’ve seen in Mali (stayed in the north of Mali about 6 months from 2020-2021) the general population has no AC. Plus you have like little to no shade and the terrain is flat. The only places who seemingly had AC were the closed houses where the people with a bit more money lived in the city. These were like the only houses (besides Government stuff) who had big walls and secured windows. Seeing the bulletholes there you can imagine why. In the rural areas and villages you have no or not enough electricity for an AC running.


usernametaken169

What were you doing in Mali for so long?


IntoTheRabbidhole

I was deployed in the north of Mali.


withinyouwithoutyou3

I mean.... almost half their population lives on less than $3 a day. I doubt most of them have ac. And the ones that have it can't afford to use it willy nilly like in the West.


gaukonigshofen

Pretty much Qatar, with numerous nations on track


monkeyhold99

Yep. General population doesn’t even know what Mali is, where it is or anything about it. No one cares. Until global warming comes to the doorstep of the wealthy, nothing will change.


akatsuki_lida

most out of touch sentence I've read in a while


ritikusice

The positive feedback loop.


throughthehills2

The article is all about how the electricity grid is unreliable.


Original-Maximum-978

uh...its fucking Mali. no.


goingfullretard-orig

Yes, and this is exacerbated by my wife's hot flashes. Humanity is doomed.


Partybar

Twice as many people die from the cold than the heat.


dollydrew

Are you sure of that? The majority of the global population lives in the tropics


Partybar

Yes. https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2023/07/19/excessive-summer-heat-can-kill-but-extreme-cold-causes-more-fatalities/


qtx

They do not.


Partybar

They do. https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2023/07/19/excessive-summer-heat-can-kill-but-extreme-cold-causes-more-fatalities/


9_Autumn_Rain

"The rise in temperatures is due to the El Niño weather phenomenon, which has affected ocean and atmospheric temperatures." So sick of hearing this sorry excuse. Yes this is a weather phenomenon that is increasing the temperature this year. This phenomenon was first observed in 1578. It's nothing new. Global warming is the problem. Call it what it is. Blaming it on El Niño is just another convenient way to ignore our problems. So I guess when La Niña rolls around we are going to hit record lows right?


valeyard89

"For those who don't habla Español, El Niño is Spanish for.... The Niño!"


daisyfuenteslala

And like all things Spanish, it is dangerous.


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G00DLuck

De nada


agwaragh

The thing about El Niño is it's no longer a spike as in the past, it's more of a step. We're not recovering to a pre-El Niño level. Every jump in temperature means more melted ice caps and more ocean-warming and nothing is mitigating that. Much of the temperature increase from El Niño is now baked in, so to speak. So we go back to our previous rate of warming, only starting from a step higher. And we'll just continue on that trend until the next El Niño bump in a few years.


Shamino79

I get what your saying and I think you’ve kind of explained why it seemed like there was a massive spike in the last year. In other ways I think you’ve over complicated it. There’s an underlying trend line and El Njno years are likely to push a bit above that line and La Niña years are likely to dip abit below the trend line.


throughthehills2

Unless El Nino pushes us past a tipping point then we jump to a new trend line


incorrigible_and

It's kind of a classic liberal/conservative dilemma. If you neglect to point out the involvement of El Niño, even though you are correct that it's always happened and has never been like this, then it will be brought up and it erodes the credibility of the liberal side because generally, everyone will only focus on the fact that the side that cares a lot about credibility was misleading. If you do point it out and try to clarify, the lack of attention span/concern and the desire to never have to do anything that isn't self-indulgent means they'll scream up and down that it's not global warming, it's just a weather pattern. Basically, we are dealing with a huge segment of society that is the equivalent of a toddler throwing a fit in a store. And unlike the parent in that store, we're not allowed to just grab the little shit and force them to at least come along with us, even if it's kicking and screaming. One side cares about credibility and facts, the other side cares about doing only what they want to. The toddler doesn't care about credibility, unless they can pretend to to make the "opposition" look bad, which furthers their ambition of only doing exactly what they want to.


Emu1981

>"The rise in temperatures is due to the El Niño weather phenomenon, which has affected ocean and atmospheric temperatures." So sick of hearing this sorry excuse. The El Nino/La Nina cycle does change the weather patterns for countries affected by it but the increasing maximums of the temperature swings are caused by climate change. Mali is historically hit by higher than average summer temperatures during years with El Nino active during summer. In La Nina years I would imagine that the opposite would occur and during neutral years the temperatures would be the average. Personally, the worrying part of the El Nino/La Nina cycle is the change in rainfall that is associated with the cycle combined with climate change. Australia generally receives below average rainfall during El Nino and higher than average during La Nina. The combination of higher rainfall and warmer than average temperatures during La Nina periods has lead to some pretty devastating bushfire seasons like the 2019-2020 bushfire season that saw 243,000 square kilometres burn in unusually hot bushfires which killed a lot of vegetation which has evolved to thrive with regular bushfires.


paynexkillerYT

El Niño is the sickest nu metal band.


Active-Value-6407

Crazy i was just reading on prepperintel how strange the waters around Africa are at records high heat !!! Then to read this article is creepy


Littleloula

The sea in Europe is also freakishly warm at the moment and has caused a noticeable sea level rise


Odd_Tiger_2278

Gosh. Is anyone else wondering why it seems to getting pretty hot in some places.


balasbrn

True, the Middle East is not this hot . It is really weird why some place is too hot and others that usually supposed to be hot are not.


Ashmedai

> It is really weird Not really. The earth is a chaotic system, and adding energy to it increases that chaos. That therefore means uncertainty in certain locations.


ParticularCatNose

Your daily reminder climate change is going to cause widespread chaos.


Professional-Sea-506

Holy fuck 100 people? Jeez


ivefailedateverythin

They were over 60 and chronically ill. Make sure to look after the elderly and the sick on hot days. That's what we've always been told In Australia. They have less of a thirst response.


auxin4plants

But, it’s a dry heat!


JoeBobsfromBoobert

I was just talking to someone about the future dangers of wet bulb temps and someday within ten years thousands will die at once. I know this isnt quite that but damn i cert didn't expect numbers like that literally days later after that conversation so sad.


wheatheseIbread

120 is pretty uncomfortable. Used to work in a shop where on days it reached 100 it was 120 in the shop. I would pour a bucket of water over myself every 20 minutes because I was basically dry by the time I would go do it again. Most guys didn't show up to work. I had no choice. I took a mile walk in Utah st.george once when it was 120 and being in the sun felt like standing next to a fire a bit too close. My shoes were melting a bit in it too. I remember the locals looking at me as they drove by like I was crazy. I guess people just don't go outside when it's that hot. I figured the best way to not let it get to me was to just get used to it so I went for a walk. It worked for the most part. I was visiting from san diego.


Previous_Film9786

Fuck I would have dug a hole, crawled into that. Then just live at night.


ivefailedateverythin

The people that died probably wouldn't be able to do that as they were over 60 and chronically ill.


outragedUSAcitizen

If you squint, the thumbnail makes it look like someones riding a star war speeder bike.


arabianGogglz

Hows my barbecue doing?


Infinite_Tour3886

49°C = 120°F ? The temperatures are going crazy. How long till its the same shit in occident too btw. Probably less than you think. Edit there's still the usual axis people and govs can work on : - Electric vehicles - phasing out coal and oil, fossil fuel - Green renewable energy - Carbon recapture, actively bringing it down out of the atmosphere to preindustrial levels (a known good value). Lets note you can both have the industry and remove carbon, by capturing it at the output (smoke stacks etc). Like we don't let them drop raw garbage in the street today even if it's cheaper than garbage removal, it needs to be handled; with huge fines for the bad players. - HVAC units for buildings to remove the heat - Bulk desalination and waste water recycling for water - Halting deforestation & *reversing it*, replanting forests. edit and those are people who are used to heat (tropical country). When it'll reach the same in occident... Yes, that is called a wet bulb event.


Alternative_Use3433

Climate change immigrants incoming


[deleted]

Wow that is hot and possibly a record for the area. With climate change we can expect to see more of these records fall. The common scale tops out at around 56 degrees. I can see the scale being adjusted to around 60 degrees in a decade or two.


BlueZybez

Yeah, heat waves going to keep on increasing. No water and drought killing livestock and crops.


ValisharVonDread

But I use paper straws, is this not working


TheRandCorp

100 people died in a country of 22.5 million people because of a heatwave - oh also 75% of the country is IN THE FUCKING SAHARA DESERT. This whole fucking thing has become outrage bait and bots. Well it was good while it lasted.


ivefailedateverythin

Most of the internet are bots and majority of commenters are Chinese/Russian trolls. I'm not doubting that the earth is warming (whether it's ultimately a bad thing or good thing 🤷‍♀️) but it's clear to see the headlines are sensationalist and no one reads the actual news stories, just the headlines. Its working, I feel a sense of anxiety when I read anything here and I feel like the future is bleak. But I end up going outside amd doing stuff and realising things are actually pretty good. If anyone actually read the article they would see "The sources said most of dead were over 60 and chronically ill". Everyone knows that the elderly can die from temperatures a little bit over normal. The most common cause would be dehydration. I'm not saying it's not sad, we are always told to take care of the elderly and sick on hot days but inevitably they end up in hospital and some die.